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Championship Weekend Recap & Fantasy Playoff Implications: Eagles Fly, Bills Heartbreak, and Offseason Questions
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Championship Weekend delivered fireworks, heartbreak, and plenty to discuss! Rog, Fab, and Anthony break down the Eagles' commanding victory over Washington (55-23) and the Chiefs' thrilling comeback win over the Bills (32-29).
Key takeaways include:
- Fab on the Eagles' dominance and Washington's costly turnovers.
- Chiefs' mastery at the line of scrimmage.
- The Bills' play-calling struggles—can Josh Allen ever get over the Mahomes hump?
We also dive into:
- Josh Allen's playoff narrative: Misleading 7-7 record or a true clutch performer?
- The Rams' future: Are Stafford and Kupp leaving? What does that mean for Kyren Williams and Puka Nacua?
- Jayden Daniels' draft stock: Has he solidified himself as a top-3 QB pick?
- Detroit Lions offseason: Can they sustain success after losing both their OC and DC?
- QB rankings for 2025: Where do Bo Nix, Justin Herbert, and Jordan Love land?
- Steelers' skill positions: Is there any fantasy value left in Pittsburgh?
- Derrick Henry in 2025: Is age finally catching up to King Henry?
- James Cook's breakout year: Can he replicate his RB8 finish?
Tune in for analysis, offseason predictions, and how these storylines impact your fantasy draft boards for 2025! #NFL #FantasyFootball #ChampionshipWeekend #JoshAllen #PatrickMahomes #Eagles #Bills #Chiefs #Rams #Lions #Steelers #DerrickHenry #JamesCook #NFLDraft #FantasyAnalysis #FootballPodcast #OffseasonTalk #NFL2025 #BushLeagueHuddle
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Transcript
Super Bowl 59 Rematch: Chiefs vs Eagles
00:00:18
Nacc
The stage is set, ladies and gentlemen. a Super Bowl 59 will see a rematch of Super Bowl 57 with the Kansas City Chiefs taking on the Philadelphia Eagles. so What a weekend it was, boys. I mean, first game, you know, left a little bit to be desired with a little bit of a blowout win, but ah pretty cool. Seven rushing touchdowns. I believe that's an NFL record for a postseason game, which is absolutely crazy. and We had the Eagles beating the commanders 55-23 to move on to the Super Bowl and then we had our piece de resistance on the AFC side with the Chiefs narrowly defeating the Buffalo Bills 32-29. That was definitely more of a ah nail biter should we say and definitely the better game of the day.
00:01:13
Nacc
um
00:01:14
Roger Emeka
I called it guys. I don't know if you remember when we did the mail, one of our mail bags with ah some guy from TikTok was asking, we thought it was in the Superbowl. I did call equals versus.
00:01:25
Nacc
I remember that you did kudos to Raj on calling that Super Bowl.
00:01:29
Roger Emeka
I see a fat fab. guitar I could just, I could see it, the wheel spinning, the eye roll on its way.
00:01:36
Fabio
Roger keeps receipts and that's fine. That's okay. That's okay. Good call, Roger. Good call.
00:01:41
Roger Emeka
We're in the business of receipt keeping within fantasy football and and betting.
00:01:44
Fabio
We are, we are very much in the business of receipt keeping.
00:01:47
Roger Emeka
so
00:01:48
Fabio
Yeah.
00:01:48
Nacc
Yeah, no, well done, Raj. I think I had. If I remember correctly, I was going with Buffalo and the Lions, so that did not age well.
00:01:55
Roger Emeka
len yeah
00:01:57
Nacc
And I think Fab, I don't remember who you had. and Did you have the Chiefs in there?
00:02:00
Fabio
I think I had the chiefs and I had the lions.
00:02:02
Nacc
Yeah, I think that's sounds about right.
00:02:03
Fabio
Cause I was not gonna, I was never gonna pick, uh, the Eagles. Let's be honest.
00:02:08
Nacc
Yeah, but I mean, the Eagles looking back at it now was pretty that was the logical probably a logical choice to go. That team is pretty yeah that team is.
00:02:15
Roger Emeka
What a team.
00:02:15
Fabio
yeah where Yeah.
00:02:16
Roger Emeka
What was stacked.
00:02:17
Nacc
Yeah, it's it's like top to bottom.
00:02:18
Roger Emeka
Stacked. Top top.
00:02:19
Nacc
It's.
00:02:20
Roger Emeka
I was just going to say top to bottom.
00:02:20
Fabio
Yep.
00:02:21
Nacc
Yeah, it's actually incredible.
00:02:21
Fabio
Yeah.
Mahomes' Playoff Dominance
00:02:22
Nacc
And then you have Mahomes seven years as a starter, seven, seven straight years in the AFC Championship. He's only lost in the AFC Championship in the playoffs, which is absolutely crazy.
00:02:33
Roger Emeka
Joe Burrow, right?
00:02:34
Fabio
Yeah.
00:02:35
Nacc
Joe Burrow and Tom Brady.
00:02:35
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:02:37
Fabio
Yeah.
00:02:37
Roger Emeka
Tom Brady, yeah.
00:02:39
Nacc
ah Which is absolutely. ah Wait, no.
00:02:42
Fabio
Well, he lost to Tom Brady in the Super Bowl, but he lost to Joe Burrow in the AFC Championship.
00:02:43
Roger Emeka
Tom Brady in his Super Bowl.
00:02:45
Nacc
Yeah.
00:02:46
Roger Emeka
He's only lost to New England in 2018 when the Pats beat the Rams.
00:02:46
Nacc
But who did he lose his first year in the AFC? So it was Brady again. So it's true. He's lost to two people, but he lost to Brady twice.
00:02:52
Fabio
Yeah. Yes.
00:02:58
Nacc
Yes, yes, he lost to Brady twice.
00:02:59
Fabio
Yes, that's right.
00:03:00
Nacc
He lost to Brady in the AFC Championship and in the Super Bowl when he won with Tampa. That's it. That's still pretty crazy. um All he does is lead his team to to the promise line, which is nuts, but ah I digress. um Let's get started with some key takeaways from Sunday.
Coaching Decisions and Chiefs' Tactics
00:03:17
Nacc
Raj, what what did you take away from from Sunday's games?
00:03:21
Roger Emeka
Yeah, a few things, Nack, I would say at Nack and Fab. I'd say coaching matters. I think I felt like coaching mattered more in that matchup than the NFC one. um For instance, the use of x Xavier Worthy.
00:03:33
Roger Emeka
I don't know if you guys noticed the wrinkles and how they use them a little bit like Rishi Rice. I thought it was the perfect timing, again, showing how the the Chiefs kind of, they hold back right during the during the regular season and they bring out new wrinkles in the playoffs.
00:03:38
Fabio
Yep.
00:03:44
Fabio
Yep.
00:03:47
Roger Emeka
What can you say about Steve Spagnolo?
00:03:47
Fabio
Yep.
00:03:49
Roger Emeka
Like who else has the balls to call double corner blitz on fourth and five? ah Like just an amazing call and I felt like he set that up.
00:03:59
Roger Emeka
And then the last two points from a coaching standpoint, Mahomes with the read option game.
00:04:04
Nacc
Yep.
00:04:05
Roger Emeka
He had two rushing touchdowns, right?
00:04:06
Nacc
Yep.
00:04:07
Roger Emeka
And I believe they were both on read option plays, which, you know, you never see Mahomes doing during the regular season.
00:04:07
Fabio
yep
00:04:13
Roger Emeka
And then, of course, there's the ancillary pieces, Kareem Hunt. ah There was Watson as well, who had, the I think, the key two-point conversion. Juju Smith-Schuster was nice, too. So for me, it was just...
00:04:23
Nacc
Get a good game.
00:04:24
Fabio
Yeah, he did.
00:04:24
Roger Emeka
coaching perspective, I thought read out coach McDermott. I thought joe bri Joe Brady got out coached as well by not relying on James Cook at the end of the game as well when he was absolutely killing it.
00:04:36
Roger Emeka
So um he did not get a touch on the final drive, which to me, like he was absolutely rolling.
00:04:37
Nacc
Yeah, he didn't get a touch on that final drive.
00:04:42
Fabio
ridiculous.
00:04:43
Roger Emeka
And it just it just doesn't make sense how the Chiefs have sp Spagnolo, who could easily be probably a coach in many teams with many teams. And That's like the biggest cheat code that he's still with the team. It's nuts.
00:04:57
Nacc
Yeah. And I honestly, I was, I was reading today, uh, cause some people were like, um, did he even get any like offers or anything? And I think it was the, the jets at all asked to speak with him and the saints I believe asked to speak with him.
00:05:07
Roger Emeka
saint
00:05:11
Nacc
Yeah. So it wasn't as crazy as people would think. Maybe he's more suited to be a coordinator. and We know guys, we definitely know coaches like that, that just take the leap and just never pan out.
00:05:23
Nacc
Uh, Josh McDaniels comes to, um, comes to mind.
00:05:26
Roger Emeka
Yep.
00:05:27
Fabio
He's barely an offensive coordinator, Josh McDonald's.
00:05:30
Nacc
We was a good offensive coordinator, right? I mean, I guess having Brady all those years definitely helps the resume, but No, I definitely agree. Roger. The coaching was definitely something and I and I think to your point Andy read it come playoffs You start seeing things that like you said, you don't see during the year and just surprises people in those instances um and Spagnolo at the end Yeah, apparently they had that look twice during the game, but never sent that blitz.
00:05:59
Roger Emeka
Yep.
00:06:00
Nacc
So they definitely were not expecting that, especially at that at that juncture in the game. So yeah, I definitely agree with the ah coaching aspect.
00:06:11
Nacc
What about you, Raj? Excuse me, Fab?
Chiefs' Line Dominance
00:06:14
Fabio
ah For me, it's like not too dissimilar, but I'm also going to go like a little bit with the with the with the line play Chiefs dominated their line play both offensive line and defensive line online provided excellent coverage from my homes. He was only pressured on 29% of his drawbacks. So Buffalo had a total of nine pressures on one sack and and The D line play for the Chiefs was just ridiculous too. I mean, they kept Allen under constant pressure. 43% of his dropbacks was under pressure. His average time to throw, Josh Allen, was 3.64 seconds, a little bit bit a little bit misleading. You think, oh, it's a lot of time to throw. ah Chiefs D got to him often. The pocket was breaking down. He was flustered. He was running around.
00:06:53
Fabio
um it's it's It's crazy to think that like, you know, like, like to Roger's point, right? Like they pull all these things out, like in the 11th hour, but that's what good teams do.
00:07:03
Nacc
Thank you.
00:07:03
Fabio
You know, like they have, they don't need to use this in the regular season. They use it when they need to use it. And that's in the playoffs right now. Um, Bill's definitely got our coach. I don't think it's even remotely close to say that they didn't.
00:07:16
Fabio
Uh, Alan having three plus minutes and final drive, three timeouts in the fourth quarter down by three, and they couldn't get it done. It just shows you. how good that how good their coaching staff is on all facets, right? So it's it sucks as one of the bills to win, but here we are, chiefs are gonna most likely three-peat.
00:07:38
Roger Emeka
What do you guys think of the two-point conversions by McDermott?
00:07:43
Roger Emeka
I'm not a big fan. I'm not a big fan of chasing points that early. and It always bites you and it even it bit the Ravens in the divisional game.
00:07:52
Nacc
Yeah.
00:07:52
Roger Emeka
I'm just not a big fan of it.
00:07:54
Nacc
Yeah, I think it's just circumstantial at times. Um, sometimes the, I think the analytics favorite, um, I know they were down by, was it 15 at one point or something.
00:08:06
Nacc
So I do get your point, but it's just that it's one of those things where it's like playoffs is a whole different ball game too, maybe. And it's just like you're, you want to try to secure everything as, as much as possible to, to not have to like, again,
00:08:22
Nacc
I get your point of chasing points, but it's just that I think there's an ah analytical part to it that plays a role ah in some of the so of the games game script moments there.
00:08:31
Roger Emeka
The game is full, yeah.
00:08:32
Nacc
Yeah, the game flow is which what which are right well I should say. But funny, I saw a quick tweet today, career resume for jo Josh Allen in the playoffs, first all time in total yards per game, 309.8.
00:08:46
Nacc
First all times in TDs per game, 2.46. First all times in TD to turnover ratio, 5.3 to 1. And then you have, you know, between the Stefan Diggs drop, the chief's 13 second comeback, the Tyler Bass 44 yard miss field goal, and then the Dalton Kincaid drop. He really cannot catch
Josh Allen's Misleading Playoff Record
00:09:05
Nacc
a break. And his, his, uh, I believe his seven and six playoff record is seriously widely misleading, I find. And, uh, definitely he's consistently delivers when it matters most, right? It's just that you kind of see like the team.
00:09:19
Nacc
in the end kind of lets him down in in certain instances.
00:09:22
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:09:23
Nacc
you know So it's it sucks for him. I do feel bad for Josh Allen because I feel like he he deserves it. He had a sick year and ah it's really all for naught at this point.
00:09:33
Roger Emeka
he he's real He's the real tom brad ah Peyton Manning to the the Tom Brady. Like we're saying that's Lamar Jackson, but this is like, I think at one point Peyton Manning was 0 and 6 against Tom Brady in the playoffs.
00:09:39
Fabio
Yeah.
00:09:43
Fabio
yeah
00:09:48
Fabio
Yeah.
00:09:49
Roger Emeka
And then the next five games ended up being 3 and 2. ah the the
00:09:54
Nacc
No, isn't he? I think I think his total record, his total record is three and two versus Brady in the playoffs.
00:09:56
Roger Emeka
Really?
00:10:01
Roger Emeka
really
00:10:01
Fabio
No, no, he has more losses than wins, I think.
00:10:01
Nacc
Yeah.
00:10:03
Roger Emeka
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's more long.
00:10:04
Nacc
No, no, no, no, no, he has more wins and losses.
00:10:06
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Okay.
00:10:06
Nacc
Peyton Manning record versus Brady in playoffs is three and two. They've only played each other five times.
00:10:12
Roger Emeka
You know what? For some reason, it felt like more. But in any case, um it ended up catching up it he ended up catching up afterwards. But similar to Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, it was always coaching at the end. It was always Tony Dungy, maybe not making the right the right ah not having the right game plan, maybe one or two.
00:10:28
Roger Emeka
It it always comes down to one and one or two plays and during the playoffs with this caliber of quarterback.
00:10:30
Nacc
ah
00:10:35
Nacc
i'm I'm pretty sure he started 0 and 2 Manning vs Brady and then he won the next 3 to finish 3 and 2 in his career.
00:10:37
Fabio
Yeah. Knack is right.
00:10:43
Fabio
Knack is, uh, Knack is correct.
00:10:43
Roger Emeka
yeah Yeah, I think I was factoring in the regular season as well, sir but yeah.
00:10:48
Nacc
Yeah, it's possible. Yeah, I was shocked as well. They only met five times in the playoffs that that felt like they felt like it could have been six more for sure.
00:10:56
Fabio
The, uh, the home quarterback is undefeated in all of those scenarios.
00:11:00
Nacc
Oh.
00:11:00
Fabio
Brady is two and O at New England and Manny is three and O at Indianapolis slash Denver.
00:11:06
Nacc
Yes, he beat them once with Denver when he won the Super Bowl.
00:11:08
Fabio
Yeah.
00:11:12
Nacc
ah But yeah.
00:11:12
Fabio
Yeah, regular regular season is much more lopsided towards breeding.
00:11:15
Nacc
Yeah, for sure.
00:11:16
Fabio
Yeah.
00:11:16
Nacc
But I don't think he has many lopsided against him, if we're we're being honest. And we're going to save our Super Bowl
Rams' Future and Fantasy Impacts
00:11:26
Nacc
predictions for next week's episode as it's obviously they get a ah week break in between. So we thought we'd we dive into some storylines, some fantasy storylines going into next year with some of the um players we saw in the playoffs. So we'll we'll get we'll get some ah feedback from there.
00:11:47
Nacc
um What's next for the Rams, guys? Are Stafford and and Cup on the way out? And if if yes, what does it mean for Kyron Williams and Pukanukua's fantasy value? Raj, what do you think?
00:12:05
Roger Emeka
Yeah, like for me, from what I see from Stafford, he feels like he's LA or bust. Like he's not, if he somehow gets cut, he's he's retiring. I feel like he's like really well entrenched in LA. Plus he carries a $49 million dollars dead cap hit.
00:12:22
Roger Emeka
So if he were to retire, there's not much option for them. Kirk Cousins would make sense. I think with the cap gymnastics, of if he gets cut, how much Atlanta owes, then how much you know the the Rams could pay him, that could be an interesting option. ah But you know we have to see. I think he comes back for one more year. I think they try to retool that that team.
00:12:43
Roger Emeka
But from a cup perspective honestly, and I tweeted it I posted it in our group chat in the bush league group chat guys I don't want to say he's overrated But we look at cup in a certain way when he's only had in his eight seasons to 1,000 yard seasons And he's only been above 90 yards per game once like he's an amazing player. He's done amazingly for himself but injuries catch catch up to him and for me like at this point Pukunuku has taken over considerably as the number one option and then lastly from a from a Kyron Williams perspective I would not be surprised if we tried we start seeing Blake Corm a little bit more.
00:13:07
Nacc
Yeah.
00:13:08
Fabio
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:13:22
Roger Emeka
I felt during the playoff game there was and there was even a few people tweeting about it there was a few runs where Kyron could have A more explosive back should have broken those runs for bigger games. gains And he has somewhat of a limitation from an athleticism standpoint where he's great, you know, for four or five yards, but he's not going to, he's not a game breaker. And as we're seeing the playoffs, you need game breaking type backs, Barkley, Henry, cook is, cook is definitely of that to ilk as well. So, um, I think it'll be interesting to see, at least they have that defense that, that young defense that looks really good.
00:13:59
Nacc
Yeah, um I couldn't agree more. I think if, if obviously if Stafford is back, the the value kind of stays the same on Puca, right? Right off the bat, like you're you're drafting him top five, maybe wide receiver, top 10 for sure. And Kyron Williams, i I think I agree with you. They're probably going to get Quorum more involved um next year for sure. ah Fab, what do you think?
00:14:26
Fabio
But Pooka is going to be like why receiver three of Stafford's there. Like right now he's mulling over retirement. Like Raj said, is a little bit more non-committal. Um, cup, I think he has to take a pay cut or he's going to get traded, but I, uh, again, same thing. Like he's not the receiver that he expected to be. So I'm not.
00:14:42
Fabio
I'm not jumping at him if he gets traded from a Fassie perspective. i that regard Quite frankly, regardless of where he goes, um i don't see any I don't see that much value in him anymore. It's crazy to think, following the fact that the guy was a triple crown runner winner a few years ago, Kyron is an enigma to me.
00:15:02
Fabio
Because if he's the lead running back and a in ah in a McVay offense, we know lead running backs, they get all the work. I know Corum is there, but I feel like the offseason is going to be very telling. And obviously when practice starts and all that stuff and and training camp, it's going to be very telling to see where Corum is going to be because i I don't think this is ever going to be a split backfield quite frankly or like a running back by committee. I wouldn't be surprised if it's like Kyron for the beginning of the season and then all of a sudden Blake Corum comes in and and that's going to be his show going forward. They didn't draft him for nothing. He's obviously going to be the guy going forward at some point in the future but that future might be a little bit sooner than not and even like I think this was the last year that you can get Kyron and like be
00:15:49
Fabio
be Confident is gonna give you RB one numbers I know there's a lot of talk about him catching punts in the offseason and that didn't Transpire to anything quite frankly and and he balled out right like he finished his top ten.
00:15:59
Fabio
I think like top eight or something um I Don't know if I don't think that's gonna repeat like I'd be cautious to draft Kyron Williams Next year unless you know without a shadow of a doubt that he's the guy and like something happens to Blake Horm and he doesn't start the season Yeah, that's
00:16:06
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:16:16
Roger Emeka
Well, he was, he was mostly getting fifth round value this year because of what you were saying, I think because of the injury, injury proneness.
00:16:20
Fabio
Oh yeah. A hundred percent.
00:16:21
Nacc
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:21
Fabio
He went late in a lot of drafts.
00:16:23
Nacc
Yeah.
00:16:24
Roger Emeka
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets drafted at that same round this year because people are scared of those same reasons are are going to come up again.
00:16:30
Fabio
Yeah.
00:16:33
Fabio
And the difference is that he's actually going to.
00:16:34
Nacc
Yeah, you just you just might not get the value you got this year.
00:16:36
Fabio
Well, that's it.
00:16:37
Roger Emeka
Yeah, exactly.
00:16:37
Fabio
you're You're going to get proper fifth round value. Most likely that spot, right?
00:16:40
Nacc
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:41
Fabio
as opposed to, uh, I think it was Nick that drafted him in our league and he ended up winning the league and he, yeah, he did.
00:16:47
Nacc
He did.
00:16:49
Fabio
And, um, he got excellent, excellent value from drafting and Kyron super, super late. Cause everyone else was a little bit hesitant.
00:16:56
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:16:57
Nacc
I agreed. um Awesome. Before we dive into our next question here, I was a little too trigger happy and very excited to move on to this segment that we definitely skipped across our little feed or takeaways from the Washington and Eagles game. So we'll just quickly touch upon that. Fab, what stood out for you?
00:17:19
Fabio
Uh, yeah, we're going to do this quick. Cause I don't want to talk about the Eagles. Uh, but they are. It this just just shows how objective we are as a podcast. The Eagles are a complete team from top to bottom.
00:17:30
Fabio
They are a complete team at all levels. They are a complete team on defense and all three levels on defense. Like it says a lot when the highest rated players in that game versus Washington or the two rookie cornerbacks, when you're on Mitchell and Cooper DeGene.
00:17:46
Roger Emeka
No, it's.
00:17:47
Fabio
Like it.
00:17:48
Nacc
You got it right.
00:17:49
Fabio
Again, well, it it took the whole season.
00:17:49
Roger Emeka
That's a great.
00:17:52
Roger Emeka
What were you calling him?
00:17:52
Nacc
Dijon.
00:17:53
Roger Emeka
Dijon?
00:17:54
Fabio
Dijon, Dijon, it's a Montreal podcast.
00:17:54
Roger Emeka
there's
00:17:58
Roger Emeka
dish
00:17:59
Fabio
Yeah, like, it it sucks, man. Like, either that all pro linebacker, all pro defensive lineman, and you know, yeah, they're they're a complete team.
00:18:09
Roger Emeka
Two, two, both linebacker, like the Kobe Dean before you got injured. He was amazing as well.
00:18:12
Fabio
Yeah, yeah.
00:18:13
Roger Emeka
Like it's crazy. And but they're saying bond might be a defensive play of the year.
00:18:18
Fabio
I mean,
00:18:19
Nacc
Honestly, I think it's the the most wide open defensive player of the year.
00:18:22
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:18:23
Fabio
Yeah.
00:18:23
Nacc
I think in like a long time, like I don't think like Watts not winning it.
00:18:27
Fabio
Yeah.
00:18:29
Nacc
I don't think Garrett deserves to win it.
00:18:29
Fabio
No.
00:18:31
Roger Emeka
No.
00:18:31
Nacc
um
00:18:32
Roger Emeka
I got a prop bet on then daniel the Neil Hunter to win like $145.
00:18:36
Nacc
Hunter.
00:18:36
Fabio
Yeah.
00:18:37
Nacc
Yeah, there's there's Hunter Hunter who's there who who the other two.
00:18:41
Roger Emeka
I think Sir Tan should definitely be involved in their bond.
00:18:45
Nacc
And then the linebacker. bond.
00:18:49
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:18:49
Fabio
Yeah.
00:18:50
Nacc
Yeah, I honestly, uh, probably good chance that bond maybe, be maybe takes it home and like, uh, it's a very wide open one this year. That's for sure.
00:18:59
Roger Emeka
Yeah, definitely.
00:19:00
Fabio
Yeah, let him go.
00:19:00
Nacc
And quickly, Roger your takeaways from, uh, Eagles.
00:19:02
Roger Emeka
I owe Jaylen Hertz an apology and I just want to read through a quote that he had after the game, which I thought felt was very telling for how quarterback, the state of quarterback play ah currently. So he was saying, I don't play if the game for stats. I don't play the game for numbers, any statistical approval from anyone else. And I understand that everyone has a preconceived notion on how they want to look at it or how they expect it to look. I told you guys that winning success is defined by that particular individual. It's all relative to the person.
00:19:32
Roger Emeka
the Eagles play to their strength and they know their strength is the running game and there is no I've i've come to the conclusion that there's no reason for Jalen Hurts to throw the ball over the yard 35 40 times when they're a ball control offense and when you're in a ball control offense and the most important thing is controlling the ball and so don't not turning it over and the last thing I'll say is that I hate to say this but they really remind me of the 90s Cowboys triplets with with Hertz, Barkley and AJ Brown and if you look at Aikman stats and if you you hear Aikman talk about today's QB he will tell you
00:20:05
Fabio
Mm.
00:20:12
Roger Emeka
Today's QB just thinks only about stats, whereas he was focused on winning the game and winning Super Bowls, which meant he took a backseat to having the highest numbers so that Irvin and Barkley could eat.
00:20:22
Nacc
Right. Fab.
00:20:27
Fabio
I'm just curious because that was a very well spoken and quote from Jalen Hurst. Did he get that from AJ Brown in his book or something? Or like, was that all off? ah
00:20:37
Roger Emeka
what does it strive strive for What is what is the name of the booking?
00:20:39
Nacc
I don't know.
00:20:41
Fabio
No.
00:20:41
Nacc
I couldn't find it anywhere. It sold out.
00:20:47
Nacc
ah We'll move right along. We'll stay in the same game, however. um Guys, Rising Star, Jayden Daniels put on a show in the playoffs. Obviously had a tough afternoon this coming Sunday, but um the future is bright.
Jayden Daniels as Top QB Pick?
00:21:04
Nacc
um Based on what you saw this year, has Jayden Daniels earned a top three QB selection in next year's draft?
00:21:13
Nacc
roger
00:21:13
Roger Emeka
I think he's earned it for sure. Will I make it personally? I'm i'm not entirely sure because of what I saw from CJ Stroud and his sophomore season and
00:21:31
Roger Emeka
top three is a lot. Like, are you going to really pick him over Allen and Jackson? And at that point, it's it's burrow or hurts, right? Like, when we did our rankings, we had him at fifth. I still would leave him at fifth. Personally, I would rather see one more season before saying, OK, I'm going to pick him over a Joe Burrow.
00:21:50
Nacc
Yeah, I mean, we we still have de facto Alan or Lamar as QB one and QB two. I think I think everyone still has that. That's why I put three. That's what I'm i'm seeing as we have.
00:22:02
Nacc
Is there a an argument to be had that he could be the third QB off the board come September?
00:22:02
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:22:09
Nacc
ah What do you think?
00:22:10
Fabio
There's an argument for sure, but it would be like for QB3 and that would just be based off his rushing production and maybe he takes up he takes a jump in his passing TDs. But I mean, I don't disagree with Raj. I think QB5 is a very safe spot for him and he's definitely worthy of a top five consideration. I would even go as far as saying top four, like he finished his QB4 this year. I see him doing the same thing again next year. i wouldn't be Would it be crazy?
00:22:36
Fabio
But then again, he was also only six points behind QB number three, Joe burrow, right? So sorry, seven points. So they got almost finishes QB three to begin with. And it's not it's not a big gap between number three, number four.
00:22:52
Fabio
it's It's definitely like if someone takes him at three, I wouldn't say he's crazy.
00:22:57
Nacc
No definitely not.
00:22:57
Fabio
Or she, excuse me, like I would take him over hurts.
00:22:58
Roger Emeka
You know what, I think I'd take him for i probably take him over Hertz. I don't think I would take him over Burrow.
00:23:06
Fabio
I would take him over hurts and I agree over burrow. It would be a lot closer of ah of a of a choice, but it's it's right there.
00:23:14
Roger Emeka
Wait, five we you don't have Mayfield top three.
00:23:18
Fabio
No, Mayfield's top five. Mayfield's like QB6, man. It's not like QB6.
00:23:22
Roger Emeka
Dude, those way too early rankings, I don't know about UNAC, like, I did not want to put Mayfield at six, but I thought we were just doing a favor for fad.
00:23:32
Nacc
yeah i don't know all those
00:23:33
Roger Emeka
but
00:23:33
Fabio
Hey, he has the most passing touchdowns in the last two seasons.
00:23:36
Fabio
get Mind you now with, uh, what's his name?
00:23:38
Roger Emeka
And he lost his du-va.
00:23:38
Fabio
Liam Cohen. He lost his offensive coordinator.
00:23:39
Nacc
he lastly and
00:23:41
Fabio
Yeah.
00:23:42
Fabio
Duval.
00:23:42
Nacc
a
00:23:43
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:23:44
Nacc
that was so strange
00:23:45
Fabio
So cringy.
00:23:46
Nacc
ah mcafee killed me today like they had that thing on loop it was somebody amazing bow yeah that guy does i did not think he was like so Yeah, I don't know all those.
00:24:00
Fabio
But
00:24:01
Nacc
people person it seems like that locker room i don't know how he's supposed to
00:24:04
Roger Emeka
Apparently they loved the O-line Evans, Baker, they all loved him, so.
00:24:05
Fabio
But he was, but he's one in nine though.
00:24:09
Nacc
Yeah, they're all white. the the the the the the
00:24:10
Fabio
He was one in nine.
00:24:15
Roger Emeka
That's a good one, Matt.
00:24:19
Nacc
ah
00:24:19
Roger Emeka
Well, Evans, Evans, he goes both ways, so yeah.
00:24:20
Fabio
Evans is not white.
00:24:25
Nacc
that's the but That could be a segue to the next question here.
00:24:29
Fabio
yeah
00:24:29
Nacc
um Another team with high expectations that came crumbling down actually at the hands of Jaden Daniels and the commanders. The Detroit Lions lost um both their OC and DC this offseason. So um I ask you boys, how is it going to affect their skill positions um for the upcoming fantasy draft? So we're talking people like Amun Ra, Jared Goff,
00:25:03
Fabio
No. Uh, so John Morton, he was in Detroit, street he was in Detroit, he was in Detroit in 2022, the passing coordinator for the Broncos.
00:25:06
Nacc
okay roger
00:25:12
Fabio
He's been a wide receiver coach for a long time too.
00:25:14
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:25:15
Fabio
It's worked with like Randy Moss and Michael Crabtree. He was actually the Jeff's offensive coordinator in 2017 and like, Hey, the Jets. Well that year, Josh McCown and Bilal Powell had career years.
00:25:24
Roger Emeka
Oh, shit.
00:25:24
Fabio
So, um,
00:25:27
Nacc
Well, what names throw out there?
00:25:29
Roger Emeka
Yo, seriously?
00:25:29
Fabio
Right.
00:25:30
Nacc
Josh McCown and Bilal Powell.
00:25:30
Fabio
Right. They actually had, they actually run a very effective, a very efficient offense in that year, which is crazy to say coming from a Jets perspective.
00:25:32
Roger Emeka
la power
00:25:40
Fabio
So, um, I mean, obviously there's going to be some growing pains, but ultimately I don't think it's going to affect, I don't think it's going to affect. I'm on raw or Gibbs. Wouldn't be surprised if, if, if golf might take a slight hit, but I mean, you're still drafting them more or less in the same spot, right? Like low and QB one high and QB two Gibbs, they're going to go top three. I'm on raw, still a top 10 guy. um If you want to use this as a tiebreaker to take AG round over all monorail, that's, that's your call for me. It won't really change the difference for me. um I don't see this being um as Roger would say, a force multiplier and, and and changing all my rankings in that sense.
00:26:18
Nacc
Raj, what do you think?
00:26:19
Roger Emeka
and bob Fab said everything perfectly on offense. I'm not going to touch touch anything there. I like what they did on defense by hiring Kelvin sheferd Shepherd, who was already in the building.
00:26:26
Fabio
Same. Yep.
00:26:29
Roger Emeka
He was a linebacker coach. Pretty good player, too.
00:26:31
Fabio
Yep.
00:26:31
Roger Emeka
He was he won the national championship at LSU. He was a former giant. And he's been in the Lions running an organization since 2021.
00:26:36
Fabio
Yep.
00:26:40
Roger Emeka
And they're getting obviously a lot of players back from injury. So I think I like what Dan Campbell did. He stayed basically within that Lions ecosystem, Lions nucleus of coaching staff.
00:26:51
Roger Emeka
And the players are still there. So I don't have many concerns either on either side of the ball.
00:26:59
Nacc
Yeah, I know that he took Aaron Glenn took Randal out with him who was the wide receiver coach and up and coming coach in the in the league.
00:27:03
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:07
Nacc
And um I know there was rumors that he was going to be ah trying to grab some defensive players and bring them over to the Jets as well. So ah interesting off season. I feel like it's a to be continued to see what happens in inf free agency and and we'll see where they're at.
00:27:22
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:27:24
Fabio
But just one, just one real quick on that, like, how did the Jets feel? Like they go from Robert Salah, who was a very good defensive coach as the head coach to now going through another defensive coach.
00:27:36
Fabio
It was a head coach. Like doesn't, isn't it just like you just did a full 360 for nothing and all that hoopla on the background for, for all that, like not to, not to take anything away from, from the new head coach, right?
00:27:40
Roger Emeka
So, so.
00:27:46
Fabio
From Glenn, but it's nice if Robert Salah was a, was a scrub of a head coach and he was a very good defensive coordinator.
00:27:48
Roger Emeka
So Glenn.
00:27:53
Roger Emeka
I think the key thing is Aaron Glenn played there for seven years. So he knows the New York market. And I think we were, we would always be saying ah about Salah. He would just fumble the press conferences, not like the press conference, like the initial one where he got hired, but just every week it was like, dude, you're giving too much detail.
00:28:09
Roger Emeka
Like take a step back. You know, like in New York, everything gets magnified as we know, fab from being giants fans.
00:28:14
Nacc
Yeah.
00:28:14
Fabio
Yeah, we do.
00:28:16
Roger Emeka
So I think Glenn will, will command the room better. Maybe not necessarily command the room, but I think he'll have a better sense of, how to work the media and work those press conferences because it has a big impact on the locker room.
00:28:25
Fabio
That's a good point.
00:28:28
Nacc
Yeah, I think I tend to agree. Yeah, i tell yeah it is a good definitely a good point.
00:28:30
Fabio
Good point.
00:28:35
Nacc
um Obviously, there was some disappointing playoff
Lions' Coaching Changes and Fantasy Value
00:28:39
Nacc
losses. um from these QBs, but where are you ranking them in terms of where you're drafting these guys next year? So I'm talking about Bo Nicks, Justin Herbert and Jordan Love. Roger.
00:28:54
Roger Emeka
Yeah, so I still have it as Herbert Love Nix with a caveat that I think Nix can easily have another good season. He was the 8th QB in fantasy this year.
00:29:06
Roger Emeka
He was obviously ahead of Herbert and Love.
00:29:09
Nacc
Yep.
00:29:09
Roger Emeka
but I would i would be weird i still be aware of getting Nix in the 3rd to 5th round, which is probably where I would slot in Herbert and Love in a 2 QB. I don't know about you guys, I just, I don't have as a rookie so or going into a sophomore season, I'd still be a bit weary picking Nyx that high.
00:29:28
Roger Emeka
I would still rather get him as my second QB. I don't feel comfortable having as my as my number one, as my QB one.
00:29:33
Nacc
QB one.
00:29:35
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:29:35
Nacc
Right?
00:29:36
Roger Emeka
So it's still Herbert loved Nyx for me, but if I could get Nyx at really good value, I would more than happy be happyd be more than happy to take him.
00:29:45
Nacc
Interesting fab.
00:29:46
Fabio
Yeah, I don't disagree. I have them ranked a little bit differently. I have Bo, Herbert, and Love. So basically as a question it was worded. um Again, with that being said, like, yes, I would be hesitant to have Bo Nix as my QB one going into the season just because it's sophomore. And we all know how that happens in the CJ Stroud recency bias and all that stuff, right? I don't know, but I just felt like you you really saw him grow into the offense towards the second half of the season. Sean Payton.
00:30:14
Fabio
like That's his guy, you know what I mean? like and And typically his QBs do perform pretty well, apart from Russell Wilson that one year. But even then, actually, no, sorry, I take that back. Because Russell Wilson did have a pretty good season under Sean Payton in that in that one season that he did play under him at Denver, i mean compared to the season before.
00:30:30
Fabio
But I like the trajectory for Herbert next year too. Again, same same idea, same concept. ah with Again, within the same coaching staff and all that stuff. And you see the latin mcconkey is just a stud.
00:30:45
Fabio
Jordan Love to me, like it's a bit of a wild card. I feel like he's going to be a very good value pick next year. I wouldn't be surprised if his, like by all accounts, he had a bit of a down season just for all the injuries and everything, but the guy can still bring you like QB one low end QB one value on a week to week basis. So I wouldn't be surprised if he drops and drafts next year and someone picks them up and all of a sudden like they're starting him on an every week basis and he got them for like a QB two time value.
00:31:10
Nacc
Yeah, well, you know what scares me with Jordan love is this what we saw this year is just there's there's no bona fide number one wide receiver there. There's no bona fide option that that that he he gets right. It's just a bunch of like It's a bunch of wide receiver two threes all around the yard and there's just, that's what worries me.
00:31:30
Nacc
And I guess that's where I would put obviously Herbert first on this list just because he does have lad mcconkey. I'm more than certain they're going to go out and draft or or try to sign a receiver this year.
00:31:41
Fabio
yeah
00:31:41
Nacc
ah There's some, there's some, there's some money that comes off the cap.
00:31:44
Nacc
So they're going to have a little bit of room to, um to maneuver. So.
00:31:49
Nacc
Man, that Bo Nix, Jordan Love, I feel like it's a toss up to me right now. I think Bo Nix has more weapons right now than Jordan Love does, and I think I'm gonna go. Mine will be Justin Herbert, Bo Nix, and then Jordan Love, third in this list.
00:32:06
Roger Emeka
Surprisingly, Marvin Mims really came on at the end of the year.
00:32:08
Nacc
Yeah, man.
00:32:09
Fabio
Yeah.
00:32:09
Nacc
And then like those were two rookies, there was Valet and, and, and Franklin, who, who, looked Franklin, excuse me, who, who looked good down the stretch also.
00:32:09
Roger Emeka
and fatly yeah yeah fred yeah trip
00:32:16
Nacc
So I think they have a little bit more weapons. And, um, I know there was some rumors of, uh, like Najee Harris being a landing spot at that running back over there, um, to get rid of some of the fact that they have, uh,
00:32:31
Roger Emeka
So add more fat.
00:32:33
Fabio
this
00:32:33
Nacc
Yeah, I guess. Well, I mean, look, slice it any way you want is the only running backward a thousand yards in three straight seasons. So, um, Yeah, wellll we'll move in with that. With that comes into our our our next question. Perfect segue here. um With Skyler Thompson being the only rostered QB in Pittsburgh for the 2025 season, Najee Harris all all but set the lead to leave in free agency and a potential Pickens trade looming, do the Steelers have any skill position value and what do they need to go get if not?
00:33:09
Nacc
ah
00:33:11
Fabio
So to answer the first question, no, they don't have any skill position value in my, in my opinion. I mean, I, I saw this question. I didn't write down any notes, but I saw this question and I didn't write out any notes for it.
00:33:19
Nacc
I think in most opinions. yeah
00:33:24
Fabio
Put it that way.
00:33:25
Roger Emeka
exactly
00:33:25
Fabio
it's fine don't I don't need no.
00:33:25
Roger Emeka
and I just I just completely stop I just completely passed over this question because I figure not just that
00:33:26
Nacc
you don't you don't you don't need You don't need too many notes for it.
00:33:31
Fabio
yeah i forgot I forgot to ah forgot to copy and paste it in my private notes because that's what we're doing now. as i know'd even I was like Barry Bonjiff. No, um because it was stupid. um So what do they need to do to get there? ah so basically what did he Honestly, this could sound tough, but I think Like Mike Tomlin, I think it's either time to just completely do an overhaul or or move on. I don't know. I feel like they need a page one rewrite because you can't continue to, and it's hard to say because they made the playoffs every single year, but you can't be one and done on the playoffs and expect your team to get better and better and better unless there's some sort of a, like unless they're killing it on every single one of the draft picks, like
00:34:11
Fabio
Like the Rams are doing, you know what I mean? Like where it doesn't matter where they're drafting, they're, they're killing it on their picks. and And you see it because despite the fact that they trade away their first round picks every other year, they still have a team that competes year in and year out.
00:34:24
Fabio
Right. So unless that formula all of a sudden happens to Pittsburgh, I mean, how do you expect to get out of this? This purgatory that is the record every single year of being, you know, 10 and seven or nine and eight and okay, we made the playoffs cool, you know, but like,
00:34:33
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:34:41
Fabio
I don't know. Like, him yeah, they have, they have skilled positions. Sure. Like they have, they they're always going to have a great defense regardless of what the defensive players are. They're always going to have a great defense, but an offensive side of things. I mean, if you're a quarterback right now on the open market, which I know there aren't that many, but still like if you're a quarterback on the open market right now and you're looking at Pittsburgh and you're like, Oh, wow.
00:34:58
Fabio
I can't wait to, I can't wait to throw to checklist.
00:35:03
Roger Emeka
Crazy George, crazy, crazy George was picking fights every, every day.
00:35:03
Fabio
Austin, Calvin Austin, you know, George pick is not going to be there anymore.
00:35:03
Nacc
Calvin Austin, Calvin Austin.
00:35:08
Fabio
Like.
00:35:09
Roger Emeka
But it's, it's absolute malpractice that they did not play Roman Wilson at all this year.
00:35:16
Nacc
Well, he was hurt.
00:35:17
Roger Emeka
Like he was hurt yeah hes for early training camp, but he was, he got healthy at some point.
00:35:17
Nacc
He was hurt. ah No, no, he got re he re injured.
00:35:21
Roger Emeka
No, we injured.
00:35:24
Nacc
Yeah, he got re injured and then he was actually a little bit healthy just right before the playoffs. I think like week 17, but like there's no way Tom and was playing him after he hadn't had any reps all year.
00:35:34
Roger Emeka
Cause, cause everyone has a Mecca Buka from Ohio state slated to go there. He's going to be like a mid first round wide receiver, but like, like Tomlin and rookie wide receivers just just don't mesh.
00:35:44
Nacc
Yeah.
00:35:48
Roger Emeka
So why waste another early pick on a wide receiver? I think to FAB's point, like it's, it's groundhog day with the Steelers.
00:35:58
Fabio
Yeah.
00:35:59
Roger Emeka
Like fit choose a lane, choose choose a lane, either either tank or, and again, tanking in the NFL is hard, but choose a lane where you're going to say, okay, we're going to try to get a top QB in the draft, but stop with these band-aid measures.
00:36:00
Nacc
On point.
00:36:13
Roger Emeka
Like they Rooney was saying that they're going to choose between Russell Wilson or Justin Fields.
00:36:19
Nacc
That's the yes, we said is the most likely outcome that they're going to.
00:36:19
Roger Emeka
Like, man.
00:36:23
Nacc
They're going to choose from look.
00:36:24
Roger Emeka
that like yeah like so nack that's basically telling your locker room we're happy with nine wins next year like point blank you bring those
00:36:25
Fabio
I mean,
00:36:31
Fabio
Yeah.
00:36:32
Nacc
so So I ask you then, I ask you then, what would you do? Obviously they're not starting Skyler Thompson. What what do you do for the QB position in 2025?
Steelers' QB Options for 2025
00:36:43
Roger Emeka
Well, I look at this point, it's it it's fields or can you trade? Can can you feel any offers to see if you can move up to maybe get someone in the first round, a Jackson Dart?
00:36:57
Roger Emeka
I don't I think it's going to cost too much to try to get Shador or Cam, Cam Ward.
00:37:02
Nacc
Yeah. And they don't have that much draft capital.
00:37:02
Roger Emeka
But pick pick pick a QB in the draft, at least in these in the second round at the red.
00:37:03
Fabio
No they don't.
00:37:08
Roger Emeka
Take a shot at someone.
00:37:11
Nacc
So, so I think personally in order for them to have any skill position value, it's you signed fields to a two year, $20 million dollars deal, 10 million a year. He becomes your starter, obviously day one.
00:37:28
Nacc
And then you got to draft like you got to draft a wide receiver somewhere. And there's going to be a QB, those late round QBs that they were talking about probably a late second, early third. You're probably going to have to take a QB to round out the room. And hopefully you nail a Russell Wilson third round, a Dak Prescott third round. Like you nail some kind of QB like that. Like there's always one that comes about, right? They tried a few years back with Mason Rudolph. It didn't work.
00:37:56
Nacc
we We felt at the time it was a bit too early with Ben still kind of in his prime, but they did take one in the third round that potentially had, they thought that could be one day the the starter of the future.
00:38:10
Roger Emeka
Salt really is still in the week.
00:38:10
Nacc
so if they If they sign, if they sign, yeah. And there's rumors of Mason Rudolph signing back with the Steelers, but, but I'm telling you right now, if they sign Russell Wilson, that's when I agree with you, Raj.
00:38:20
Fabio
It really is a groundhog day, huh?
00:38:23
Nacc
You're just telling your locker room. You're okay with what the standard is. The standard is now making the playoffs and first round exit. And you're like, okay with that. They cannot give Russell Wilson 35, $40 million dollars a year.
00:38:35
Nacc
It would just be insanity.
00:38:38
Fabio
Okay, so a few things. One, what's his name? Dart? ja Jason Dart?
00:38:43
Roger Emeka
Jackson darts, dude.
00:38:43
Fabio
Jackson Dart?
00:38:45
Roger Emeka
Come on.
00:38:45
Fabio
Like, okay, like I got his first initial right.
00:38:47
Roger Emeka
ah drugh We have draft prep in a few weeks, man.
00:38:50
Fabio
Yeah, i don't worry. I'll be fine by then. Um, so like I think he's going to be there in the first round now. He probably will. Uh, he's probably going to be there in the first round, the Steelers draft draft in the first round. They're picking like what 15th or 16th or whatever it is, like mid round 21st.
00:39:00
Nacc
They're picking 21st.
00:39:01
Roger Emeka
twenty
00:39:02
Fabio
There it is. So they're going to.
00:39:03
Nacc
There's no way they pick a QB at 21st.
00:39:03
Roger Emeka
21st.
00:39:04
Nacc
I'll guarantee it right now.
00:39:07
Fabio
Okay. Well, why? Like, is that because of the way that they operate?
00:39:08
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:39:09
Nacc
Because they just because they just know because they did it a couple of years ago and it blew up in their face.
00:39:13
Roger Emeka
Okay, it's a couple years ago.
00:39:14
Fabio
Yeah. But that's.
00:39:15
Nacc
Yeah, but trust me, trust me, they will not.
00:39:17
Roger Emeka
I know, I know, I know you're right.
00:39:18
Nacc
they and And honestly, is there but is there really we'll get into the draft, but there's no really there's there's two QBs that that should go in the first round.
00:39:19
Fabio
We spent way too much time on the sealers already as it is.
00:39:20
Roger Emeka
This franchise is so frustrating.
00:39:27
Nacc
There's definitely not more than two.
00:39:27
Fabio
Like one and one and a half.
00:39:28
Roger Emeka
Will Howard.
00:39:29
Fabio
I'm still not. um its um
00:39:30
Nacc
will Howard is not going first round, come on, oh boy.
00:39:32
Fabio
you
00:39:33
Roger Emeka
If McAfee has something to say about it, he's definitely paying him.
00:39:35
Nacc
Yeah, McAfee was very upset at that note today.
00:39:38
Roger Emeka
He's getting paid for sure.
00:39:39
Nacc
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:41
Fabio
And the whole, Justin Fields, you said two year contract, 10 mill a year.
00:39:46
Nacc
Yep.
00:39:47
Fabio
Do you think Justin Fields is going to take that contract?
00:39:50
Roger Emeka
That's what Darnold, isn't that what Darnold got?
00:39:50
Nacc
100%, what, what, what, yeah, what what else is he gonna take? He's been a backup. What's he gonna take?
00:39:56
Fabio
Well, that's like borderline backup money to to start two years, 10 million.
00:40:00
Roger Emeka
He's not guaranteed to be a starter yet.
00:40:01
Nacc
but you you you were a backup the year before which Donald was maybe it's it maybe it it goes up a little bit this year it's 11 or 12 he's not getting more than that from anyone I don't see I don't see it and if you yeah if you and if you do I mean go for it if if someone gives you more not than that than 100% I would definitely go somewhere else yeah of course
00:40:12
Roger Emeka
Darnold signed the one year.
00:40:12
Fabio
Okay.
00:40:19
Roger Emeka
Darnold sent a one-year, $10 million dollar deal, Darnold, with Minnesota.
00:40:21
Fabio
Cheats. Peanuts.
00:40:24
Roger Emeka
It's par for a quarter.
00:40:24
Nacc
Maybe he wouldn't sign a two year deal. Maybe that what he wouldn't do it.
00:40:27
Fabio
Yeah.
00:40:27
Nacc
Maybe try to sign another one year deal, knowing that Pittsburgh is trying to find a QB of the future.
00:40:29
Fabio
I was not a one year contract. Yeah. Yeah. That makes more sense.
00:40:34
Nacc
But let's move on. we'll have We'll have a lot more draft discussions in the in the coming weeks. um so Another guy who just came out of the playoffs and had an incredible, incredible 2024 is James Cook.
James Cook's Potential for Top 10 Finish
00:40:49
Nacc
so um I ask you, Raj, can he replicate his top 10 finish from 2024? He finished RB8. Where would you draft him in 2025?
00:41:02
Roger Emeka
why 100% he could definitely replicate it. I was so impressed with James Cook and I was really down on him last year because I felt he wasn't a physical enough running back. And he finished with what, I think 16 touchdowns in the regular season, 14 or 16 touchdowns in the regular season.
00:41:16
Roger Emeka
I think it was a franchise record as well. ah So yeah, he could, yeah, maybe with the total.
00:41:19
Nacc
I think 18 even.
00:41:20
Fabio
Yeah, i think I think rushing and receiving was 18.
00:41:23
Roger Emeka
Yeah, ah so Joe Brady is back. He declined any other coaching opportunities. so i love And I love what they did with the running game. For me, this is like one of the most fun running games to watch all year, whether it was Cook or Ty Johnson or obviously Josh Allen. ah The online will stay intact as well. And again, he ran pretty physically. He was at 2.3 yards after contact per attempt, which was higher than Saquon, Mixon, and even ah Jonathan Taylor. so Definitely can 100% replicate in terms of where I so when we did our way to early rankings, we had him at 10th So that was he was behind Bucky Irving and Kyron Williams. I Definitely have him a head of Kyron We even had Chase Brown at number seven and I'd probably even have James Hook ahead of Chase Brown as well So probably in the seven to eight range for me
00:42:17
Nacc
That makes sense. Fab.
00:42:19
Fabio
He's more in my 10 to 12 range. um the td The TD output of 16 is going to be hard to replicate and he had less carries and less receptions than last year.
00:42:22
Nacc
Wow.
00:42:31
Fabio
So I feel like, and and now you're seeing more of a crowded backfield with Ray Davis and Ty Johnson, who are just getting involved in the mix. I'm not saying it's going to eat into his, his usage tremendously, but all of a sudden there are more mouths to feed in that offense. I do like the fact that Joe Bray is coming back. I like the fact that all this, the same, same offensive structure will continue to exist.
00:42:52
Fabio
I just wouldn't be surprised if he goes from having 16 touchdowns or 18 total touchdowns down to like 10, which I think is more of a reasonable, reasonable floor, I would say, or even.
00:43:00
Roger Emeka
So.
00:43:01
Nacc
Well, it's rare that when when people have the score 18 touchdowns, they replicate it a second year in a row. That's like 100%.
00:43:07
Fabio
Right.
00:43:08
Nacc
Like it's very hard to replicate that amount of production.
00:43:08
Fabio
Yeah. For sure. But one, but one thing that, one thing that you can look for as far as, ah as far as at least forecasting production is usage. And his carries and receptions last year to this year, very similar, not that far off. I think he had less carries by like maybe 10 carriers, let's say. And he had less receptions by around like maybe 15 than last year. Last year he had a great year by all accounts. No one expected him to to do how he as well as he did.
00:43:36
Fabio
And there was a bit of a drop-off in touchdown production. I think he had like maybe, I don't know, like five or something.
00:43:41
Roger Emeka
At two.
00:43:41
Fabio
And that was, and that was a knock on him this year during drafts about like, you know what, in the red zone, it's going to go to Josh Allen. In the red zone, it might not be James Cook. Well, it still did.
00:43:49
Nacc
And it still did. That was crazy.
00:43:51
Roger Emeka
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:43:52
Nacc
It still did.
00:43:52
Roger Emeka
i and
00:43:52
Fabio
It's still, yeah yeah, exactly.
00:43:52
Nacc
And he still ate, you know?
00:43:54
Fabio
So I just, that's the only thing I'm weary about. Like if, If he's my RB one next year, like I better have a very solid RB two, right? Because he can, he can produce on a, like he might give you high end RB two numbers, which is great, but you know, you, you obviously want your, your RB one to be a monster.
00:44:14
Fabio
And I would feel more comfortable with chase Brown. I would feel more comfortable with Josh Jacobs, obviously bucky Irving, even Devon HN. I feel like I will feel more comfortable with him too.
00:44:22
Roger Emeka
Yeah. So I was going to, that's where I was going to, I was curious about HN. That's one where HN as well, they're going to want to put it in Jalen Wright at some point. I think they picked him in the second round and.
00:44:32
Fabio
Yeah, and that's why that that's why I didn't put in uh tuba hubbard because I feel like they're gonna also want to throw in their rookie mind you he is All of next year I didn't I don't know what's gonna be out all of I don't know what's gonna be from these all of next year though I know he's gonna be out for the beginning Oh man, yeah, okay, so
00:44:40
Nacc
he's gone the rest of the year is gone all of next year to keep wait for the seat or is a CL like we see 16 or week 17 whatever it was
00:44:42
Roger Emeka
True. Yeah. He ah towards ATL again.
00:44:51
Nacc
well it's a year it's a year recovery
00:44:54
Roger Emeka
Personally, there's one, sorry Knack, there's one, I think it's pretty debatable between Breece Hall and James Cook.
00:44:55
Nacc
he's
00:45:02
Roger Emeka
i I wouldn't be shocked where people would rather take James Cook over Hall.
00:45:04
Fabio
Yeah.
00:45:10
Roger Emeka
I think Hall was really 11.5 fantasy points per game last year. Like really disappointing season.
00:45:16
Nacc
Yeah, but you know what? I think Hall is that candidate to, that bounce back candidate to to come back after a a tough year. There was a lot of stuff surrounding the Jets last year, man.
00:45:27
Nacc
Like there was a lot of baggage over there, maybe new coach, new regime, new new insight.
00:45:27
Roger Emeka
True.
00:45:28
Fabio
yeah
00:45:34
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:45:35
Nacc
I think maybe like to your point, people will be weary of drafting him, but I think people who do draft him are going to be ah happy that they did and they got him a little later than ah than most people.
00:45:45
Fabio
I agree with that.
00:45:47
Nacc
And our final question here for the for the day.
Derrick Henry's Future Performance
00:45:52
Nacc
So I know we were, Raj and myself, were we're dead wrong on this one. I think Fab deserves a little pat on the back for for standing in his corner, but are we finally going to see the decline from Derek Henry in 2025?
00:46:09
Nacc
He turned 31 in January and finished as the RB4 behind only Gibbs, Saquon and Bijon in 2024. ah raj ware are you drafting derrickk henry and twenty twenty four i think our viewers are going to be very excited for this answer
00:46:29
Roger Emeka
so I would put him like six. I would probably put him just behind Josh Jacobs. Um, so age, the, the, the best age 31 rushing seasons, Curtis Martin, 16,097 yards in
00:46:47
Nacc
Sixteen hundred. Sixteen thousand.
00:46:51
Fabio
It's OK. Henry's going to get 16,000 next year.
00:46:53
Roger Emeka
I love Curtis Martin.
00:46:53
Fabio
It's fine.
00:46:54
Roger Emeka
I love Curtis Martin. So, Curtis Martin, 1600, basically 1700 yards and Tiki Barber, basically 1700 yards in 2006. And then afterwards they fell off the face of the earth and they retired after.
00:47:06
Nacc
Right.
00:47:07
Roger Emeka
Similar to the Chiefs, where I will not pick against the Chiefs until I see them Falter, I am not going to pick against Derek Henry again until I see him be absolute crap.
00:47:19
Roger Emeka
So I'm going to bet against, i I'm going to bet that he will have another a very good season. And hopefully the Ravens in the playoffs actually realized that they have Derek Henry because for the second year in a row, they realized that they just let go of the run.
00:47:35
Roger Emeka
So yeah.
00:47:37
Nacc
Well, they realized when they played the Pittsburgh that they had him.
00:47:40
Roger Emeka
yeah like Yeah, but like against the against the Bills, like they second year in a row, Todd Monken just completely forgot the game plan to run the ball.
00:47:41
Fabio
Yeah.
00:47:42
Nacc
And he ran for 200 yards.
00:47:50
Roger Emeka
so
00:47:51
Nacc
Yeah. Fab.
00:47:54
Fabio
uh yeah no he's not gonna he's not gonna drop off uh will he see a decline i mean in theory just because i don't think he's gonna rush for 1900 yards and 16 touchdowns so yeah to some degree a decline uh but similar to roj i mean i you're gonna have to convince me pretty strongly not to take him within like in the top 10 top eights for sure um he's one He's a freaking nature, man. It doesn't matter how old he gets. like Until he stops playing, that's when you don't draft him, in my opinion. Derek Henry is there. He's on the board. you You draft him. At worst, at worst, you're going to get like he did with Tennessee his last year in Tennessee. I'm looking at the stats now, 11 yards and 12 touchdowns. like That's like a baseline for him. you know And in the beginning of the season, I was like, yeah, you can rush for 20 touchdowns. Everyone thought I was crazy. It wasn't far off.
00:48:43
Fabio
Um, so yeah, the 18 total touchdowns. He had two receiving touchdowns too.
00:48:47
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:48:48
Nacc
this he has a tom brady feel to it remember were like everyone he got to forty he got to forty one and everyone's like this is the year this is the year making me make me saying these things but Yeah, I don't know I tend to agree I was on that bandwagon of that 30 year old and uh seeing a decline and it just did it just did not happen almost rushed for 2000 yards almost did get to 20 total touchdowns which is just insane actually caught his first receiving touchdown and in a few years this year as well so
00:48:52
Fabio
Yeah.
00:48:58
Fabio
Brady's done. He's done.
00:49:03
Roger Emeka
He died.
00:49:23
Fabio
no Yeah.
00:49:24
Nacc
Yeah, I think that 6-7 spot is is is pretty pretty normal. I think that's where I would be drafting him. I think that's where I'd be drafting him as well. i got ah Like Raj, I think I got to see it to believe it. The premature duns have to be put on the shelf for for Derek Henry.
00:49:45
Nacc
Well, that bla that wraps it up for this week's episode. Please, please, please don't forget to subscribe but to our podcasts on Spotify, Apple, Amazon, YouTube. Follow us on social media, Twitter or X, Instagram, TikTok. It's back.
00:50:07
Nacc
And um all any any social media platform, we post we post great content weekly, so be sure don't be sure to miss that. And um be sure to reach us next week when we go through our Super Bowl predictions.
00:50:22
Nacc
So we're going to come in hot and heavy with those. And I think it's probably going to be a little bit lopsided.
00:50:28
Roger Emeka
I can't wait.
00:50:28
Nacc
But stay tuned for that. Thanks, everyone. Cue the music.
00:50:34
Roger Emeka
I love the Super Bowl prop bets. Just get some funky stuff, man.
00:50:37
Nacc
That's my favorite. That's my favorite time of the year.
00:50:40
Roger Emeka
I only have 66 bucks on Super Bowl, so I gotta put some money.
00:50:42
Fabio
67 I got like Yeah, know I'm too I go way too elaborate I i don't know I like I like the 11 leg parlay cuz one day it's gonna hit I
00:50:43
Nacc
yeah
00:50:45
Roger Emeka
But, Bob, your problem is you you're your same game parlays are just, like, you just put, just do, like, Saquon Barkley, two TDs, just put 50 bucks.
00:50:48
Nacc
i
00:50:54
Roger Emeka
You do, like, yeah, like, you need to put 10 bets.
00:51:01
Roger Emeka
Okay, dude.
00:51:02
Nacc
I always deposit like 100 bucks, I think, in and Super Bowl time, just because I get too excited.
00:51:06
Roger Emeka
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:07
Fabio
I'm going to make small beds. We're going to have some fun.
00:51:10
Roger Emeka
Bye, guys.
00:51:11
Fabio
Peace out, everyone.
00:51:12
Nacc
Bye bye!
00:51:12
Fabio
and