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Sisters of A Certain Age
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The Three Lil Fishes are celebrating a milestone—one year of weekly episodes! In this reflective and entertaining episode, the sisters look back on their favorite moments, lessons learned, and the joy of sharing their stories. They also dive into a lively discussion about the latest episode of The White Lotus and the book Killers of a Certain Age, sparking a deeper conversation about ageism in media and society. With their signature wit and wisdom, they challenge outdated narratives and celebrate the power of experience. Tune in for laughs, insights, a special guest and a fresh perspective on what it means to age on your own terms!
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Transcript
Introduction and Anniversary Celebration
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It did make me feel good, even though I was not attracted to this guy. Just that, you know, he thought at least I was worthy of like talking to. Yeah, but Peter, don't did you hear that? She was not attracted to him, so don't worry about it.
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I mean, the guy wasn't Tom Cruise or anything. it's not Tom Cruise is too short for you. Welcome to Three Little Fishes.
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We're three sisters who grew up in the Midwest together, but have since spread across the country. i live in Los Angeles. I'm in Nashville. And I live in Philadelphia. We are all married with children, have all had careers, but now we stay at home with our families.
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Join us as we share secrets and stories about being women, wives, and mothers. We welcome you to laugh along, learn something new, reach out, and join our conversation.
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So let's
Purpose and Connection of the Podcast
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jump in. What's up, fishes? hi girls. How's I'm excited because today we are talking about that we've been doing this podcast for a year, you all.
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Can you believe it? We're year old. Happy birthday, fishes. yeah it's our 52nd podcast today. Yes. Right. Yeah. Yes.
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I mean, that is, you know, a big number. so it is a big number. And we are learning and growing. And I am proud of us because we have really done this.
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every Every week, we've been consistent and we keep showing up, hitting the record button and just throwing it out to the world. We're showing up, bare minimum. yeah um But i just I brought a little a little um champagne and I just want to give a little toast to why thank you all.
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Thank you for showing up and doing this podcast with Three Little Fishes and hopefully we're continuing to grow and having other fishes join us and jumping into our conversation.
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So
Challenges and Technical Aspects of Podcasting
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cheers for showing up and jumping in And here's to another year. Cheers, fishes. Cheers to another in.
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So you all, it got me reflecting, right? That we've been doing this for a year. Yeah. Lots of people are doing podcasts. What made us... sisters decide to do this podcast.
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I think I'm guilty of it. I think I started the ball rolling. and as I was reflecting about it, i think my reasoning for doing it hasn't changed. I personally love to listen to podcasts. I love to hear other people talking, particularly like celebrities and ah who was I, like Kate Hudson and even Molly Sims now is doing a podcast.
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Like all these great people who have some really fun things to say and they're glamorous. But what makes them different than us is we might be all having kind of the same experiences, but not in the same way.
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Like Kate Hudson, when I first started, when I brought this to you the example I gave to you, she was talking about her son was trying to get into college and how terribly hard it was and how stressful it was. and And she was wringing in her hands like, I hope he gets in.
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and I believe that that's a real thing. And she's having those emotions and she's throwing that out in the world. But her, Kate Hudson, Getting her child into college and paying for college is definitely not the same experience that I'm going to have as I'm starting to think about getting my son ready for college, trying to get him in, helping him find resources to pay for it.
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It's just not the same. So I think that I'm looking for a community. There are people more like me, like the everyday person, like what are resources you're doing or how are you doing it? What pools are you
Future Plans and Merchandise
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using to be able to navigate this tricky, this tricky world?
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Well, I remember when you came, you mentioned it when we were in Florida, when we were in the pool and you're like, will you do this podcast? I really started thinking about why I wanted to do it and I wrote down ah few notes, which I actually got out and looked at them again. it kind of, it's the same reason why I still feel today, why I'm still doing it is I wanted to feel more connected.
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And I think people need to talk to people because people get lonely if they just stay in their homes and they don't connect and interact with people. And it's good therapy to talk to people. So I enjoy talking to your girls and now we do it almost every day, which I love.
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I know. I love that too. That's a bonus, right? That's a bonus for us. Like a guilty bonus. Guilty pleasure. I mean, it's a lot of chatting. Yeah. We talk a lot.
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Not a lot of doing. It's a lot of chatting. so But it's like, if we can share our experiences with other people, and maybe if it resonates with one person, i think that's a win.
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So that's why i keep doing it. I agree. i feel like, um you know, I'm a big fan of female friendships. I think they're super important in our lives. And I think, you know, COVID in particular really showcased how important people are in your life and being able to be sounding boards for one another and share ideas. And I think, you know, it's been great to be able to just, where are you in your life? What are you experiencing? What's happening? We may not have the answer,
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But we're in it with everybody and we're doing it. And sometimes it's pretty and sometimes it's not. And sometimes we have an answer and sometimes we don't. And it's just life. So I hope our listeners feel a little bit connected to us. And I hope they're having fun with us because we're having fun with
Critique of 'White Lotus' and Female Friendships
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them.
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And um it's enjoyable. I will say it's harder than I thought it was going to be. You know, it's hard to kind of articulate sort of where you are in your day or your week or your month or your time of life. Like, you know, I've sent kids off to school. i finished school. We've done these like high-end sports, like things.
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You know, husband gets on my nerves sometimes the yard, the dogs, I've lost dogs, I've gained animals, I've, lost you know, just all of the minutia of life.
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it gets tangled up together and to try and articulate that sometimes i find to be a little bit of a so more effort than I thought it was going to be. So I hope that we're getting better at it.
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And I hope that people can listen to us and be like, I totally get that. Or you people are doing it wrong. This is what I think you should do. So i I want our listeners to just really feel like we're one of your sisters and you can engage with us at any time about anything.
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So i think we talked about maybe popping up like an Ask the Sisters sometime soon and people can kind of ask us questions that maybe they have. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's been a fun it's it's been a fun year. It's been, like I said, more work than I kind of thought it was going to be. I don't know what I was thinking.
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I think it's difficult to be vulnerable, right? Because it's like yeah you know it's like to know that you have this microphone in front of you and it's just not the three of us talking, but we're throwing it out to everybody and you know talking about kids or like sex whatever.
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you know husbands and friends. Like sometimes there's growing pains, even with friends when you're in, you know, later in life, and which you don't totally expect.
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So I think I'm always worried. Am I going to offend somebody, but I also want to be real. And I think I trip over that. So I think just trying to be authentic and real,
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And because life is messy and it doesn't always fit nicely in this little box. And I think part of why I want to do this too is like I look on Instagram or Facebook all the time and you see all these pretty pictures and all these stories about people doing these amazing things, which they are, which is so great.
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But if I'm not doing all those things or if I don't feel that pretty in my life and my failing, I don't think that's true either, right? Like it's all
Content Impact and Supportive Community
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about messy and where we color outside the box all the time and we have to embrace that too because that's how we get the pretty package, right? Like it has to get messy sometimes.
00:08:53
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Yeah. Right. You know, there's also the technical aspect of this whole thing, making us all three come together is harder than it, is like it seems.
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And yeah we have a very good producer, Tim, that's very patient with us. Very patient. God bless Tim. There are times where like, can't hear you. What?
00:09:19
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Like, I this could go on for hours. yeah So we've had a lot of growing pains that way. have. The other thing I was going to tell you that I came across in my notes was all the trouble we had even just naming our podcast with the names.
00:09:37
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I have like pages of just names that we came up with. Like one of them was Triple Talk, which I totally forgot about.
00:09:49
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I forgot about that. I thought that actually was kind of cool. Yeah, it took us a long time to name. and you know, I love our name, but I do think it's kind sometimes hard to remember for people, like three what, you know? Well, because it's meaningful to us, the fishes.
00:10:07
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It is. It's a very meaningful name for us, and hopefully people will start to really... remember it, but it is tricky. I mean, that was very hard to everything. And we don't have staff, like no one's writing, nobody's, you know, we have an editor and a producer, but he just takes all the nonsense that we spew, which could be an hour worth. And we try to like, make it 20 to 30 minutes a show. i mean, our poor producer listens to so much nonsense.
00:10:40
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Yeah. Yeah. We apologize and love you, Tim. Thank you for everything. yeah So anyway, it's been harder. It's harder than it seems. And I hope, you know, everybody sticks that with us because we're trying to get better every week.
00:10:55
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And I think looking ahead, I think we continue to want to be more authentic. We want to share more ideas. um We want to expand our listening base. And we, I think we also want to get some guests on and, um,
00:11:10
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And have some new topics that way of talking about certain things. Like I think maybe coming up, we're going to be talking to a guest who has ideas. If your kids are getting ready to leave the nest, some, some ideas for you and how to kind of wrap your head around that.
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So I think we would like to try to do more things and be more creative as we move forward, as we try to get our footing of actually how to do it. And hopefully you guys will continue to enjoy the ride with us and,
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continue to invite your fishes, school of fishes to jump in and join our conversation as well. And some also interesting thing, if you're interested and you want to support the three little fishes, we have some merchandise and Linda was a part of getting some merchandise. And today, if you see the pod, you'll see that all three of us are wearing a sweatshirt with three little fishes logo.
00:12:05
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And I'm wearing a hat and So we're starting to build out a part of our website that you could go and purchase a t-shirt or a sweatshirt or a hat. More things will come, more designs will come. But if you look at Three Little Fishes, three little fishes it's all spelled out,.com, you'll see shop and you can hit that tab and it'll direct you to the merchandise site. You can
Discussion on 'Killers of a Certain Age' and Aging Themes
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order directly from there. So enjoy. we hope you enjoy it.
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So let's move on. And I wanted to just bring something on you girls.
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I just got done watching the White Lotus episode, the newest one for this week. So if you haven't watched it, you might want to pause it. But did you all watch the latest episode? I did.
00:12:58
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Yep. I am like, I am struggling so hard with moving forward with it on a couple of levels with like, kind of the incest level. And then also I'm struggling with the writing with the three women that are friends.
00:13:14
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Yeah. And I'm struggling with what they're doing with these friendships and are they really best friends or are they just people that have known each other for a while?
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Linda, what are your thoughts? Because I know you're up to date. I am up to date. So I feel like when I first started watching the show this season, i loved the women. they were cut there The backstory is there are these three women that kind of grew up together.
00:13:41
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They're now probably in the early 50s, and they've all been career women. They've all they stayed very closely tied to each other on some level, and they're on holiday together.
00:13:53
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And it's just the normal stuff, the banter back and forth, the vacation, getting into that mode. They live in different parts of the country. you know, they know each other super well, so they can kind of raz each other and have fun with each other.
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But as this holiday is going on, there is like this dark underbelly of this friendship and these different women and the places that they are in their lives and And I just feel like it's a little cliche that they're the writers couldn't be more creative. So some of the women are kind of going off the rails.
00:14:28
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There was like a little bit of a cheating but element to it. Not a little bit. There was a cheating element. There was like, why... why is that the portrayal of these female friendships?
00:14:40
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I feel like it's very lazy of the writers. They could have done something else. And then the other element that you talked about, i don't buy either. And I'm kind of, I feel like the writers are just being lazy. They, there's a couple of brothers that are on holiday with their family and they seem to be a very close knit family and they're kind of like got a wild hair up their butts and they go on this yacht and they go on this big party.
00:15:05
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drugs are involved. They get involved in like this threesome and two of the threesome are brothers. And I just don't buy it.
00:15:15
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I don't care how stoned you are You're not going to make out and do other things with your brother. It's just not going to happen. So I just feel like I'm going to use the word lazy again because I can't think of another adjective, but it's just, it's just, it's It's not creative.
00:15:35
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It's not creative. It's not interesting. it It's just they're being sensationalists and it's not interesting. And I want to stop watching it, but the very first episode, somebody gets shot and I want to know who gets shot and who shoots them.
00:15:52
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So you're still hooked for sure. am going to try and figure out who gets shot and who shoots them. But I might like fast forward through the show because they kind of lost me too. and I was not impressed with that part either. But like going back to the women, um it also kind of...
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there's a lot of jealousy playing with the three of them. yeah And I just find that to be a little, again, a little sad. Like that may happen sometimes, but I feel like if you're really ah group of core girlfriends, I, it just makes me kind of sad that you, that's how you're going to depict these women that are supposed to be your ride or die people for life. Like, well, I would say to me, that's a writer in their thirties, right?
00:16:38
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that doesn't know any better. Like that is a ageism problem because women who have been friends forever are not jealous of each other. Like we lift each other up.
00:16:49
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Like true friends, women friends, we've talked about this before. Like we straighten each other's crown. yeah That doesn't mean we don't give each other a hard time. That doesn't mean we don't make fun of each other. It doesn't mean we don't have fun. It doesn't mean that we don't play, but we straighten each other's crowns. We don't go after each other's love interests. We don't, we're not jealous of your job. We're not jealous of your, fate we celebrate you.
00:17:13
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Yeah. I just don't buy it. That's somebody who doesn't know any better. That's writing that element of the show and shame on shame on Netflix. That's a no, no. Well, I haven't even seen this episode. So you kind of like let the cat out the bag. We're ruining it for you. So sorry.
00:17:31
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I couldn't help myself. I have to talk about it because I was so bothered by it. And Tim was like, Nancy, are you going to like, are you cutting this show? Like once people lose you, they lose you sometimes.
00:17:45
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My thought, and like my only reaction to what you said is Why is writing getting so sexual and like weird? Like, why do we have to go there?
00:17:56
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Like, what is going on? I don't understand. I mean, the flip side, I mean, the flip side of that is the flip side of this is we are talking about it and it did get my attention. It got my attention so much that I didn't even want to wait for Kathy to get through the show before I'm talking about this on the podcast.
00:18:14
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But I just thought it was interesting. And we were talking about women. The three of us were doing the show to kind of have a community and to reach out to a bigger community. And it just got me thinking, you know, this isn't what I think about when I think about women and maturing and your, you know, your core people and. Yeah. I don't like how they are like off talking to each other with the other one is like sleeping and they're being very secretive. It's weird. Yeah. um
00:18:48
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Yeah. Those would not be my girls. yeah Maybe they're not as close as they think they are. You know, it's weird too. I actually saw Jennifer Coolidge was also interviewed because she was the original like Lotus person. yeah And she was saying that her role, which she called weirdo, her weirdo role, she said, has really impacted her dating life.
00:19:16
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Because now like these European men, these younger men are finding her attractive. And so she's like she's like, yeah, this has really had a positive Yeah.
00:19:30
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So I like that because, you know, it kind of tied into our book, you know, these older women think, oh, well, they're older and no one cares about them. And she's having the opposite experience.
00:19:41
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Yeah, it does. It does kind of tie into our book and the theme of women and aging. And, um you know, just because you get older, do you lose your, do you, you know, Linda, you went on spring break and you were talking about like,
00:19:56
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you know, you were with somebody who was 10 plus years younger than you, and you felt like maybe, and I don't wanna speak for you, but you said you felt like maybe she got more attention than, you know, you who's a little bit older,
00:20:10
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And it's like, but you still to me look amazing. And the ageism thing is real, right? Like, I don't know, like, was that weird for you to have, be with somebody that you're sitting at a bar with or sitting at the pool and people are coming up and buying them drinks and then not giving you the time of day?
00:20:28
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First of all, this woman is a goddess, like inside and out. I love her so much, but she definitely got a lot of attention. The rest of us were kind of like ignored, but ah no, it didn't bother me at all. I mean, I feel like i don't want, i mean, it's always nice if somebody acknowledges like you look pretty today or thank you, you get like a little nod or a compliment or whatever.
00:20:54
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um But no, I have zero like want for that. you know Been there, done that. I don't need to do it anymore. But certainly a compliment here and there is always welcome, whatever it is. i don't want it to be like...
00:21:12
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un-disingenuous.
Mom's Insights on the Book
00:21:15
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But um yeah, this woman, she she's a doll and she got a lot of drink spot for her at this all-inclusive.
00:21:24
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As you're using bunny ears, people can't say it, but she's like- People can't say, I'm using air quotes because we're at an all-inclusive and these guys would be like, can I get you, can I buy you a drink? She was like, you want to get me one of my free drinks?
00:21:35
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Okay, sure. You know? Yeah. There's pool service. There's, you know, everything. So it was just kind of funny. And we all laughed about it. And, you know, she had fun with it. So it is interesting, though, right? Like, Kathy, don't know how you feel like you're getting older. But if people do pay you a compliment, like, I'm not looking for that either.
00:21:57
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But it does. I feel like. Like I look in the mirror and I see my age. I see like more lines and that's okay. Like I some of i say they're smile lines, right?
00:22:08
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But I am definitely not, you know, 35 anymore. and sometimes when somebody says, oh, hi, or you look nice or you can tell somebody is like, oh, hi ma'am, let me get the door for you.
00:22:19
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Like, and you know they're doing it because they noticed you. it does make me feel good. And does that make me shallow that I'm just like, oh, i must I must look okay, as the kids say. My fit must be okay today that I still, you know, and do it.
00:22:34
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Like, is that, what does that say about me that I'm shallow, that I do sometimes like that attention? Not that I want to act on it, but I do, i don't mind it. Well, I think it's human nature. i think people like to be complimented. I mean, you don't want to someone to say something negative about you. i mean, it's a nice thing to do.
00:22:55
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mean... i mean I actually had a compliment paid to me like a couple of weeks ago when I was in Texas visiting my son at this bar, this guy was like, hey, giving me attention. And my son be lighted over and was like, what is this guy talking to you about?
00:23:14
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and he He was so, so I mean, darling, because I thought it was so cute that he stood up for me. Yeah, that's sweet. It did make me feel good, even though I was not attracted to this guy.
00:23:26
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Just that, you know, he thought... Yeah. yeah At least I was worthy of like talking to. Yeah. But Peter, don't, did you hear that? She was not attracted to him. So don't worry about it.
00:23:40
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No, of course not. But I just thought it was funny. i I thought it was more sweet that my son was worried about me and he came to rescue. But don't you also just want to be like, it's okay. I got it. You don't have to be worried about me. This is not my first rodeo.
00:23:55
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Don't you worry. yeah Watch me handle it. Yeah. I mean, the guy wasn't Tom Cruise or anything. It's not Tom Cruise. ah Tom Cruise is too short for you.
00:24:06
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anyway, compliments are nice. I think no matter who you are. nice I agree. Yeah. yeah Well, kind of ties into also um moving into our book club for this for this month.
00:24:19
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So we had our book review. And remind me, what was the book called, ladies? Killers of a Certain Age by Deanna Raybourn. Yeah, Killers of a Certain Age, which is about these four women that are retired, but they were assassins.
00:24:37
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And so um we brought our mom on to, she recommended this book. And so we thought we'd take a few minutes and review what we thought. But it was interesting with these four women, one of them in particular, as you talk about it, she very much cared about her look. Like she always could turn heads. And now that she was in her 60s, she's like,
00:24:58
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I don't have that anymore. And she's just like, but I look in the mirror and I'm that, I'm that doll. I was, you know, at 20. Yeah. yeah like I could relate to that.
00:25:08
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Like I understood that feeling of I'm older, but I still, when I look in the mirror, that's not, that's not the reflection I remember. Right.
00:25:19
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Right. I mean, how we feel inside and how we look outside sometimes are not always in sync and Yeah. Maybe that's the joy of life is inside your heart and your head. You can always be young.
00:25:33
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Right. You have to act young and have a young spirit so that our body can try and keep up with it.
00:25:41
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Battle it out. All right. let's so Let's bring in our mom to review our book.
00:25:48
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Welcome Renee, avid reader and also our mom. She recommended this book, Killers of a Certain Age by Deanna Raybourn. So we're going to review it. So let's jump in. Hi, mom. Hi, good morning, everybody.
00:26:03
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Thanks for joining us. It's nice to be here. It's special. All right. So girls, what do you think? All in all, I thought it was, I thought it was good. And I thought that like, it was an interesting concept.
00:26:16
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So what is the concept? Refresh the readers what the concept is. So the concept is it's these middle-aged women who have just retired and they had a very special like ah profession. They were professional assassins and someone tries to assassinate them because they know where all the bodies are buried, right? So they're a threat.
00:26:40
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And um so I thought that was sort of an interesting idea that these older women, then they kind of come out of retirement in order to figure out who's trying to kill them, how to stop the infiltration of their old organization and preserve it.
00:26:58
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And so they had so much knowledge and history with each other. and you know, we don't often see books that have the heroine being a 60 plus year old woman.
00:27:10
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So i thought that idea was super interesting and that they had been friends for so long was very fascinating to me. So that part of it, I really enjoyed. And i thought it was a good twist on a typical male dominated, know, Sherlock Holmes-y kind of book that, you know we see more than we see the women as the heroine.
00:27:35
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Well, I just thought they were that they were the, they're kind of the 007 of the geriatric set. And yeah there's a moral compass that goes with that. Do you do they, are they, you know, 007, nobody questions the fact he goes around.
00:27:53
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Killing people all the time. Yeah, shooting people, blowing them up and stuff like that. And these women, that's not a typical pattern for them. you know, how does that play out? Is it, there's the moral compass in that.
00:28:06
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ah Is it right? to Because in this in the story, the people trying to kill them are people from their own agency who are being killed. paid to kill people off the books kind of thing, which is, you know. right So here they're doing it, what they think is. Right, there's this like mercenary element to it too. Right, we're doing it because it was the right thing to do.
00:28:31
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They're doing it because they're getting paid for I don't know. brought up an interesting thing. I didn't even think about the 007 connection and like thinking about this book with ageism and women.
00:28:43
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Like 007, he was doing it in his 60s and nobody thought a thing of it. So it's interesting. that we that was a note for us of, oh, this is amazing. They're in their 60s and they're women, but we don't have that same reaction when we're looking at 007.
00:29:01
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Well, they had been put out to pasture. I mean, they had put been put into retirement. 007 doesn't really get put into retirement. So I think
Comparing Media Portrayals and Final Reflections
00:29:09
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that is maybe like a little bit of a difference. but They were offered retirement. That was their retirement party was the cruise. Yeah.
00:29:17
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So they were just going into reach out. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. I mean, mom, I have a question for you. I know you recommended this book and I think the potential of it is amazing. What I wanted to know from actually everybody was I didn't really feel like I got to know them individually. Like I didn't really care about them individually.
00:29:38
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they don't have anything I didn't feel like I knew them. It was just kind of the story that they were kind of always running from problem to problem. And they were together as a pod and they were making sure nothing happened to each other. But I didn't really feel like I had a dog in the fight with these women. Well, they didn't. really I agree. they She should have developed their character. She had a lot of characters, but I wish that the the women would have been developed more alike. One of them was...
00:30:04
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oh Jewish and have suffered through war. Somebody had lost family in Vietnam and the ramifications of the reasons that they felt they were compelled to pursue this profession wasn't really clearly laid out. So that is a flaw.
00:30:22
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And I think there just too many characters. The one thing i question too is that one character, Mary Alice, you know, that her she was married to her wife, Akiko. Yeah.
00:30:36
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that her wife didn't know she was an assassin. I mean, how can you be married to someone and not know like what they're doing? What they do for a living, yeah. Well, it depends on what they do or what she does.
00:30:48
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Well, maybe. think spies do it all the time. Don't you know all the spies you know? know tell you like they're high but You would know something's up.
00:30:58
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like oh that you It would depend on what she did. If she was a traveler, I have a job that requires me to be gone Monday to Friday. Or I have special, I'm a troubleshooter for an IT company and they're going to send me to Barcelona next week and I'll be gone.
00:31:14
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And in theory, you have trust with your partner. So if they're just gone from Monday through Friday and you're having a good life outside of that, like... I don't know. that She didn't give her any reason to not trust her. and that i I thought that that was believable. And that that goes back to they thought they were doing it for the right reasons. There was no guilt associated until later in the story. is yeah There was no guilt associated in their career because, you know, they were killing Nazis and they were, you know, doing more criminals.
00:31:47
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Yeah. Right. More criminals and things like that. So there's no remorse. So the person's not feeling guilty about it when they come home. It's just, yeah. I saw her interviewed the author.
00:31:59
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Deanna. Oh, okay. And during the interview, she was like, you know, just like, how does she come up with her topics that she writes about? And she says that a lot of times it happens just innocently, like she's at her kids assembly at school, and she'll like have the program that she starts to write down like,
00:32:19
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how to kill people and like, well, write it down on the piece of paper. And she's like, in the audience, you know, in the auditorium. And then she said, sometimes she actually left the program, you know, there and then people would find it.
00:32:34
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Like, can you imagine? it Oh, like what someone would think. Bonnie must die. She dies by a knife wound.
00:32:45
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Yeah. How to poison someone. you know Yeah. I mean, they poison somebody in the the book like by submerging them in their spa treatment and their body absorbed the poison or something. I thought that was super clever.
00:33:00
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um There's a new TV show out. It's got Keira Knightley in it. It's called White Doves. And it's kind of about this too, where she is a um spy, but nobody knows she's a spy.
00:33:15
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And she has this whole family. And so it's interesting. You should check it out. I think it's on Netflix, White Doves. There's also another a PBS story.
00:33:26
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ah I'm old, so these things sort of appeal to me. It's called the Marlowe Murder Club. Oh, yeah. I've seen that. It's good. It's good. It is good. And it's, a yeah, and one woman who decides she thinks her neighbor has been murdered, but nobody pays any attention to her. And so she solicits an unhappy minister's wife.
00:33:48
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who's underappreciated, undervalued, and a dog walker who takes over a pet of a man who she liked, who was died or was killed.
00:34:00
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And they form this really bizarre alliance. well that's what that's a Maybe you'll watch. So, Mom, so this book that we read, would you give it a thumbs up, sideways, or thumbs down?
00:34:12
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i thought it was good. it can I thought it was an easy easy read for me. i just ah It was kind of like I could go on holiday. didn't actually think I read it on holiday.
00:34:22
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So I could pick it up and put it down. And I thought some of it was interesting. I don't know. Like you said, I don't know that I would read it again, but I thought it was really, it was good.
00:34:33
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So thumbs up, thumbs up, thumbs up, Kathy, thumbs up sideways. I'm like a middle up. I'm going to say sideways. That wasn't, that was not glowing sideways. Linda thumbs up sideways down. I'm going to give it a thumbs up.
00:34:49
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Yeah. All right. Thumbs up. Yeah. I'm going to do sideways. So we're split. Yeah. split Two thumbs up, two sideways. People should check it out. There's another, there's a sequel coming. do you guys know this though? Oh no, I didn't know that.
00:35:02
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Kills well with others. Yeah, the same character cast of characters. Well, they've they've gone on to lead kind of nice lives. I don't know that I would reactivate. Mom, thanks so much for being on. We really appreciate it. You always have good insights. And we can't wait for you to come on next time.
00:35:19
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Uh, okay. What's for dinner. so we're going to do a little different take on what's for dinner this week. Um, we decided in honor of our book. So part of our book took place in new Orleans and one of the things the ladies ate were beignets.
00:35:34
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So I actually got a recipe and I made the beignets last night and then I refrigerated them and made morning. And They puffed up beautifully and they were delicious.
00:35:49
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So very happy. And my children were also very happy because they were like, what you making? It all intrigued everybody in my house.
00:36:02
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Yeah. I love beignets and I've never made one. I've never made one. so I'm going to actually use this recipe and I'm going to see if I can do it because it sounds delicious. You know, I think the one thing I learned from making them is they are a little sticky. So you have to really flour countertop because they'll stick everywhere.
00:36:21
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And then when you cook at them, you can't get the oil too hot because you'll burn them. but you also have to cook them enough that you're the middle's are not doughy. They're too doughy.
00:36:32
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Yeah. Yeah. It's like a fine line. So you have to really pay attention. Frying is not my forte, but I have made it before and I agree. Those are good tips. I know. I don't love frying either.
00:36:44
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I'm always afraid. I don't like the splash, but I'm going to give it a try and see how it a yeah turns out. So I'll report all report maybe next week of how of how I do. And hopefully I don't ever yeah hopefully don't burn down the kitchen.
00:36:58
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