Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
Ep. 9 - Oops...Gaycation Activated
50 Plays1 year ago
Oops!! It finally happened, babes...we’re in the same room!
Oscar and Jason reunite IRL for the first time in Oops history as they land in Scottsdale for a Kesha concert and serve up a full-bodied episode from the desert. For the very first time, your favorite long-distance besties are podcasting in the flesh—and what better reason to link up than a glitter-soaked pilgrimage to Scottsdale, Arizona for the one and only Kesha? (Spoiler: we’re already feral and the concert hasn’t even started.) Plus, her brand-new record just dropped, so obviously we’re unhinged and ready to discuss.
We kick things off by basking in the joy of being together again, catching up on life, travel, and how much we’ve missed each others faces. Then we dive into the hot topics of the moment, starting with J*ff B*z*s’ billionaire love fest (keep the 1% away from us, thanks), before spiraling into diva drama, new music rumors, and more.
Ariana, Adele, and Rihanna might all be teasing something big...are the pop girls finally feeding us again? Lorde is on the rise and Sabrina Carpenter continues to stir headlines—we get into the controversy, the stans, and why her pop princess era is sparking both love and side-eye. Are all these divas low-key nepo babies? We discuss.
Addison Rae’s Diet Pepsi still stays on repeat through our speakers and in our heads, and Ava Max and Tate McRae are giving us the main pop girl energy we crave.
We wrap it all up with a toast to our listeners, and a (temporary) goodbye to each other with the promise of more fabulous episodes to come—even if we’re back to recording from two different cities. Long live friendship, and deeply unserious pop culture commentary.
-
Follow the pod on Instagram:
@oopspodofficial
and while you’re there, follow us!
@jasonwhenever
@ocar101
Cry-laugh with us at:
Oops!! We’re Talking Again… is available on all major platforms.
New episodes every Wednesday.
#oopspod
Recommended
Transcript
Introduction & Hosts' Reunion
00:00:04
Speaker
Hey, it's Oscar from Minneapolis where the winters are cold. And I'm Jason in Seattle where the coffee is bold. We've been besties forever since way back when.
00:00:15
Speaker
We even have the same birthday. Fate had a plan back then. Now miles apart, but the gossip's still hot. Pop culture, hot takes. Best believe we got a lot.
00:00:26
Speaker
So get comfy, grab a drink, and turn up the sound. Oops, we're talking again. So it's time to stick around.
00:00:36
Speaker
This week's episode nine of Oops, We're Talking Again will be available to watch in full video format on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash oops pod on Friday, July 11th, 2025.
00:00:53
Speaker
So now sit back, relax, and tune into this special in-person recorded episode featuring your co-hosts, Jason and Oscar.
00:01:06
Speaker
Hi, bestie. Welcome back to the scene of the crime. the last time I saw you was here.
Kesha Concert Excitement
00:01:13
Speaker
yeah We are in Scottsdale, Arizona.
00:01:16
Speaker
Yes, we are reunited. We are finally reunited. I've not seen this bitch in months. And we haven't killed each other yet after two days. Not yet, no. mean, it got close last night. Yeah, I mean, it's is always, you know. We're like sisters. We have to fight a little bit, and then we kiss, and then we make out.
00:01:33
Speaker
Until later tonight. Yeah. Well, by the way, speaking of tonight, we are here for the Kesha concert. So she is performing almost sold out performance tonight. She just started her tour with her new record.
00:01:48
Speaker
And I am so excited. Yeah. This trip was completely last minute planned. hmm. We bought tickets just a couple weeks ago. We got our significant others to join on the trip. and Who are very annoyed that we're doing the podcast right now.
00:02:04
Speaker
They're out of the pool. i do have to explain. The reason why we're in resort wear and completely naked is because and we are next to the pool. yeah Literally. Literally. We have walkout right over there. Yeah.
00:02:17
Speaker
So we will be joining them in a little bit, but we had to pod because we've missed a couple weeks, which is fine, but we're back and we're ready.
00:02:27
Speaker
So we have a lot to talk about today.
Podcasting Challenges in Arizona
00:02:29
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, first of all, let's talk about Oscar outfit. ah What is should you like wearing? this is a This is giving me palm strings.
00:02:40
Speaker
Oh, pause I've never been to palm strings. I want to go. Like like in the 70s? this is This is giving me people who lived in Palm Springs in the 70s. Yeah. Like ah who are in the their 70s currently.
00:02:53
Speaker
it's it's It's very chic. It's very elder nursing home. Shut up. You whore. Cheers. I'm joking.
00:03:04
Speaker
um We can skip ah forward to ah what are we drinking? We are drinking Cosmos today. Yeah. Yeah. So cheers. I'll leave it. It's not bad, right? It's really good. Okay, pause for little later. Were you going to roast me back?
00:03:16
Speaker
That was my roast. Yes, i want to roast Jason because we are using one condenser mic and were supposed to have two mics and somebody left us at home.
00:03:26
Speaker
You know what? I went through the length. So let me let me tell the audience of the pod what I did. I ordered ah rush shipping to the resort.
00:03:37
Speaker
And it told me that it shipped this morning. And this morning I went downstairs to get coffee. It was not there. And literally about 15 minutes ago, i was like, this bitch is going to kill me. I am going to kill you. So I'm in this.
00:03:53
Speaker
I walk through the entire casino floor. To go to the front desk and they're like, why are you being a freak? Why are you being a homosexual? Like walking around naked to ask for the mic and it's still not here.
00:04:07
Speaker
Yeah. so The fagetry is real. Yeah. But here we are. no Here we are. made it work. The thing is, we we have to stay close to the mic. So we don't have our own mics today, but that's okay. We're going make this work.
00:04:19
Speaker
we're but I'm just excited we're back. It's been a couple weeks and we are
Kesha's Album & Career Discussion
00:04:23
Speaker
ready. We have a lot to talk about. So back for the reason of the season and why we are here, I mentioned that we are here for the Kesha concert. and Mother. i am so excited. so her album came out the other day, her brand new album, Gag Order.
00:04:38
Speaker
And I'm a huge fan because the first singles came out around a year ago. So we've been waiting for a long time for this record. And I love every song, almost every song. So I'm obsessed.
00:04:52
Speaker
What are your thoughts? I love it. I just listened to it through yesterday with Oscar. I found the album to be very sonically peak Kesha. And ever since she got out of the shekel with yeah he should not Who Should Not Be Named, um she took a while bounce back.
00:05:15
Speaker
And honestly, the last few years with some of the songs that are just some of the most iconic songs she's ever released... it's time for her to put out a full length record to reflect all of that growth.
00:05:29
Speaker
Yeah. And the word gag order as a name of the album, literally gagged me because she ordered me to be gagged. Yeah. I'm gagged. It's such an incredible record.
00:05:40
Speaker
She's so talented. i mean, she was one of like my first concerts when I was in high school that I went to as literal child. And, I just love her growth.
00:05:51
Speaker
I love who she works with. She works really closely with her mom to produce and songwrite, which I love. I'm obsessed with that. i didn't know that. Yeah. So her mom is, her mom was from the music industry. And then when Kesha got old enough and she started releasing her own music, her mom was working very closely. um I'm trying to think of her first name.
00:06:12
Speaker
Anyways, but ah Google it. But ah but no, it's going to Dollar sign Ara? Sarah? Dollar sign. That's Sarah. Crazy. But no, tonight's going be super freaking fun. Like we cannot wait.
00:06:27
Speaker
So we have great seats. It's going to be really hot. It's scorching out today. Oscar upgraded us as a surprise. I did guess he is my best upgraded our seats to better seats. Yeah.
00:06:40
Speaker
and But he's reminded me ever since he upgraded our seat. No. So i'm better buy the drinks tonight. I'll take a free drink any day, but no, tonight's going to be super fun.
00:06:54
Speaker
I love that we're double date trip. So the four of us get to hang out and have a wonderful time. ah it's just going to be incredible. And like who doesn't love a good concert? So despite the heat, we will persevere.
00:07:07
Speaker
we We will survive this. So it's going to be good. Yeah. Just like Hesha. Yeah, exactly. I'll be on my knee and pray. It's a good song, though.
00:07:19
Speaker
I know you're going to cry. I might. Maybe. You're already crying. So the other thing, the last little antidote that I have about Kesha today is I've never missed her tour.
00:07:30
Speaker
And the reason we're here is because she didn't have a Minneapolis date or a Seattle date. So we like like, where do we go? and here we are back at the same resort that I saw you at last in February. So I'm excited. She puts on a great show. She always has incredible dancers. Production's incredible. So it's going to be it's going to be a really good night tonight.
00:07:51
Speaker
Do you remember when we saw her in the Mystic Lake in Minnesota? Yes. Yeah, we did see... This is not our first time seeing Kesha together. We've seen her before at a different casino
Memorable Road Trips & Celebrity Weddings
00:07:59
Speaker
in and the Midwest. Yes. This is a friendship lore. Yeah, it is. That was almost years ago. That was like 10 years ago, probably. I almost died on the way down because there was a five-car roll-up and I texted Oscar and he was freaking out.
00:08:13
Speaker
I had... I had new truck. Yeah. I just bought the truck. And I was so worried. I was like more worried that he wasn't going to make the concert. Not about his safety. but The truck was great. And then of course, like I totaled it like a year later. You did. been Not because of my fault. Like another same accident. Unrelated incident. Unrelated. Yeah.
00:08:33
Speaker
It was nothing of my fault, but I am so glad that I was able to make it. And that's why I thought this concert was special because it reminds me of all those times. Yes, definitely.
00:08:45
Speaker
We're going to add to the memory bank tonight. And knows? And the spank bank too. It's going to be a good time. Good luck. ah Let's talk about something that might get me fired any of you ever betrayed me. We're going to touch on this?
00:09:05
Speaker
oh Yes. Because I've been dying to talk about this. i am not I'm not big enough to even matter to my employer, but the guy who started the company that I work for had one of the most unimaginably and and untasteful wedding that I've ever seen.
00:09:30
Speaker
And I do love, I love Lauren Sanchez. I think she's an inspiration. i think she's a great lady, a partner to Jeffy. She's had so much work done. She was so pretty before. She needs better plastic surgeons. Yes, she does. And she needs Better gay stylish. Because how do you fucked up Sophia Loren? How do you fucked up sc Scrapparelli?
00:09:57
Speaker
yeah How do you make yourself look that bad over these dresses that cost tens of thousands of dollars to make?
00:10:07
Speaker
Yeah. Are you kidding me? Yeah. I agree. I absolutely agree. i think the wedding was Chaos. Chaos. cha I think that the attendees, because they they had so much drama with the location and having to relocate the wedding and all this craziness going on because of people, yeah the peasants of the world. Oh, God. Yeah. that That wedding had more carbon footprint than the entire era's tour. Yeah.
00:10:44
Speaker
This we can't hate on Taylor on the pod. No, no. We love you, Tay-Tay. See, this is like, this is a tough love. But no, the wedding was a flop.
00:10:57
Speaker
In my opinion, I am i would i would agree. The setting's really nice. I just want to keep the billionaires out of my universe. That's what I'm doing.
00:11:08
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is this is giving Gilded Age, how do I say it? This is giving the opulence of the Gilded Age without the nobility and the ah the social good of the Gilded Age. Because back in the day, you know, people built opera house and um they published books and they encouraged the... There was substance.
00:11:34
Speaker
Yeah. Backpack. they they They started universities. Yeah. You know, um if you haven't watched that show on HBO, The Gilded Age, that daddy from the show, the baron, the ah railroad baron daddy is ah my husband.
00:11:50
Speaker
I'm sorry to my boyfriend that he is going to be my husband. And Peter Paschal, too, you have ah yeah competition. Dirty, filthy. Dirty, disgusting. Disgusting.
00:12:05
Speaker
Disgusting. Martini.
00:12:13
Speaker
cheers i love it oh my god i love you i miss you i miss you more this is honestly this is such a treat i've been telling oscar this but i've been looking forward to just doing a podcast in person for i've been dying to do a podcast in person and you guys don't you you guys don't understand this like when you are doing podcasts remote There's so much editing work that needs to be done. It's a ton of work.
00:12:39
Speaker
But when we're in person, we're like, our chemistry is ah like unmatchable. There's nothing you have edit. Yeah. This is like going to be easy. Yeah. So I just miss him.
00:12:50
Speaker
I miss my best friend. I miss you more. oh Well, not to cut you off from that love tangent, but let's get on to some other pop culture news. So there's a lot happening in the universe and we're here for a concert so we can maybe talk a little bit more about
Anticipation for New Pop Albums
00:13:06
Speaker
music. Yeah. So we have rumors of Ariana possibly releasing a new record.
00:13:13
Speaker
um So that's in the news. And then I want to check my notes because the other artist too, which was interesting. Adele is teasing new music as well. And we love Adele. Divorce babes. Divorce babes. Divorce babes. So i am loving I love Adele.
00:13:28
Speaker
Then the... billionaire, Fenty, queen of pop, Rihanna. Is she really? Also, finally, because she's been out of the game now for like a decade. i don't even remember when her last songs came out.
00:13:42
Speaker
So we've been waiting for Rihanna since she has done the Super Bowl, which was incredible. It was unreal. One of my most favorite shows. Gaga is still number one in my head. And Michael Jackson back in the day.
00:13:53
Speaker
And Prince. Yeah. Of course. But I will say that the fact that we might be getting some new music from Rihanna brings me so much joy and happiness because I love Rihanna.
00:14:05
Speaker
So I'm excited about Rihanna possibly, Ariana possibly. i think you wanted to talk about Lorde. Yes. Yeah. So what's up with the Lorde lore? Yeah. I need to tell you about the Lord lore.
00:14:19
Speaker
Milo drama is no joke. One of the best record the past decade. That album is so good. ah The influence of that album is, let's say this before Milo drama, pop girls don't release sad music and expect that to hit.
00:14:37
Speaker
Yeah. Milo drama changed the game. Milo drama changed. I can even venture to say that it changed the way Taylor Swift approached her music. Ooh, interesting take.
00:14:49
Speaker
Yes, because melodrama at the time, it was early. Remember, this is like, you know, like years before Taylor s Swift even starting to get very raw and emotional and vulnerable.
00:15:00
Speaker
Fair enough. So it changed the pop scene in ways that we've never seen before because this is a girl talking about how fucked up her life is. Mm-hmm.
00:15:10
Speaker
And how much how much drugs and alcohol changed her life as a young woman and young gays. Yeah. So that album was great. And then she went ahead and went hippie and released Solar Power. That's right. Yeah.
00:15:25
Speaker
Which is a great record that flopped. I was going say, it wasn't... I mean, here's the thing. she's not She's like a kid, right? Like how old is she? She's like 24.
00:15:37
Speaker
So when Royals came out, she was literally 16 years old. Yeah, baby. Yeah. But it it hit the zeitgeist in a way. And to have that kind of commercial success at that age for a career kind of sets you up.
00:15:52
Speaker
And sometimes, and maybe this might be Lord's case, sets you up for failure because you had commercial success. You're getting a little bit older yeah and then you might have like a flop of a record come out.
00:16:07
Speaker
the The thing is, though, she followed up with melodrama, which is even better than her debut. That was so good. And then Solo Power came and go. Yeah, that one wasn't hitting it.
00:16:19
Speaker
So the first song of this new album was called What Was That? And I was like, what was that? The memes that came out of that song. What was that? The memes were so but we love Lorde. Here's the thing.
00:16:34
Speaker
I was never like a Lorde stan. Super fan. I was always Lorde listener. Like I really liked her music. I always have. But I've never become like overly like possessed by her.
00:16:48
Speaker
And I'm ready for her to take her music to the next level. I'm ready for that. So I am actually very impressed with the sales of the last album because...
00:16:59
Speaker
She is officially over her flop era. Hopefully forever. The album debuted at number one in plenty of countries. I think it's number two in Billboard.
00:17:10
Speaker
And there is just like a large amount of very, very good critical response to this album because it's real raw and going straight back to melodrama.
00:17:24
Speaker
So I'm excited. Yeah, it's
Controversy & Critique in Pop Culture
00:17:28
Speaker
going to be good. Well, In other flop news, let's talk about our flop queen of ah PR, Sabrina Carpenter.
00:17:36
Speaker
Wait, we have tea to talk about Sabrina today? What's going on? So she's not a flop commercially, but she's dealing with a very difficult time navigating her image at the moment.
00:17:50
Speaker
Oh, we talked about this ah last, well, a couple weeks ago on the pod. Yeah. We did touch on this and it seemed like she was playing us a little bit. i that's what I wanted to talk about. Yeah.
00:18:03
Speaker
I think whatever she wanted people to talk about for this record, she achieved the goal. She created controversy. she a lot of controversy.
00:18:14
Speaker
i mean, she played up the Lolita image a little bit too much. was too much. I think. I mean, there's also, you know, the idea that a young woman can own her own sexuality and do whatever the fuck she wants.
00:18:26
Speaker
Right. But when you are touching on slightly controversial subject like that, you have to be very careful. Yeah. And she is coming out with an alternate album cover for that controversial album cover. Yep.
00:18:43
Speaker
She is um emulating Marilyn Monroe. I don't know if you know this. Yep. so All of the images that she is doing right now has a complete...
00:18:54
Speaker
mirror to Marilyn Monroe back in the day of the way that people treat Marilyn Monroe during the day because Marilyn pushed feminine sexuality back in the day.
00:19:05
Speaker
And I have to give her some props for that. Mm-hmm. And I cannot wait to see if this flop era turned out to be a one giant arc of success.
00:19:16
Speaker
Sabrina's going to kill it. yeah She is. She's had, i mean, she's been in this game way too long, even for her age, because she's she's been doing this since she's a literal, literal child. yeah Like a little kid.
00:19:30
Speaker
Like I enjoy her album when she released when she was 16 years old. Yeah, it was miss so good. That was so she She was doing, um what is it? um They call it socialist pop. Socialist pop? What does that mean? There was a song, Thumbs, that that was like, there's a billionaires who rob the common people and then the the common people reproduce and then the mothers become a daughter and yeah oh that song that's a good song it is it's like literally progressive pop yeah it is i love that oh my god 16 year old sabrina carpenter wrote that fucking song that's what i'm saying and
00:20:12
Speaker
The other thing I want to fact check is like, um like Kesha or Taylor, does Sabrina come from musical background, like with her parents? Is there any in? I'm assuming so, because she started so young and was so successful.
00:20:25
Speaker
So I want to maybe do a little i'll Google later and look into her actual background of her family because she's always killed it. And she's I'm I here's the thing.
00:20:37
Speaker
We want to talk about controversy and the things she's been doing recently, but overall, even her age for her entire career, she's been killing it.
00:20:49
Speaker
And I respect that. I have to respect that. yeah Every single little thing she did was with intention, with a little bit of humor that is very rare and self-awareness.
00:21:01
Speaker
And they say that she's a Nippo baby because her aunt is a voice actor on The Simpsons. I mean, like, are you... I... That's not even like direct family lines. No. I have a really... I have a very strong criticism to the Nippo baby discourse.
00:21:23
Speaker
And let me tell you this. I'm from Vietnam. Okay? American people... American people have a tendency... to pick apart anybody with success as if they don't deserve it.
00:21:35
Speaker
In Vietnamese culture, if a Vietnamese person is able to be successful, it doesn't even matter where they come from. The only thing that matters is the work that they put in.
00:21:49
Speaker
And you bitches out there with the Naples baby line need to shut the up. Because honestly, even as a Naples baby, like... Look at Will Smith's skits.
00:22:03
Speaker
Without talent, you're never going to be a Sabrina Carpenter. i will say, though, I love Will Smith's songs. I do, I'm with my hair back in front of my head. No, no, no.
00:22:16
Speaker
ah Meet me at the spa. my God. She was like, I let my heart. Anyway.
00:22:27
Speaker
i love my husband i man dead know yeah yeah anyway Back to Nepo babies. I guess we like some of them.
00:22:41
Speaker
Yeah. As long as you have talent and you show to us so you actually work hard for it, it doesn't matter where you come from. Because today, you can be Addison
Rising Stars & Industry Insights
00:22:53
Speaker
Rae.
00:22:53
Speaker
You can be anybody. Ooh, let's talk about Addison Rae. Yes, let's talk about Addison Rae. Great segue. I have Pepsi in my pussy.
00:23:05
Speaker
So Addison Rae has been... performing recently showing up on Lana's tour or tour dates. And singing her hit song, Diet Pepsi, which came out like a year ago. Our favorite song the year. We love that song. Jason came and visited me last year over the summer.
00:23:26
Speaker
And then my Spotify wrapped came out at the end of the year. And I was like, why the fuck is Diet Pepsi by Addison Rae on my Spotify wrapped as like my one of my top songs?
00:23:37
Speaker
Yeah. And I was like, oh, that's when Jason was in town. We listened to it nonstop. We could not stop playing it. And now it's just it just has a hold on me. So that song, Addison is a whole, I mean, we do not need to get into the actual depths of her background and her family.
00:23:54
Speaker
But I think it's very interesting that she is now going to become an emerging pop star. You know, she went from the TikToks and like the influencer thing to music.
00:24:09
Speaker
And i I mean, she's beautiful. She's young. She has some great songs. I think she's working with some incredible producers. yeah And It'll just be interesting to see what happens in her career. Like three, four years. I still remember this one video of her trying to get into a club or something for free.
00:24:30
Speaker
And then she's like, I started TikTok six months ago and I have 500,000 followers. like Oh, I never saw that. This 16-year-old girl. You have to put it on the recap. have to find that? Okay. I'll put on the recap.
00:24:41
Speaker
and ah And people were like, um look at how a girl back then. And that was like two years ago.
00:24:49
Speaker
Oh, Addison. Yeah. And ah what I'm most impressed with her is her ability to having a really good taste of music.
00:25:00
Speaker
um She worked with some of the most talented music producers. And she's a good songwriter as well. But these producers are not the most sought after producers. No. And the fact that she's just an it girl, like she knows what subject to write, the type of things to write, you know, losing my innocence in the backseat. It literally, it's like she hit the zeitgeist with just the way she is.
00:25:29
Speaker
And I'm just, I have to admire that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We we are Addison's dance for now. We'll see what she continues to do. And i mean, there's a reason she ended up on our playlists last year. so we will continue to see how she continues to progress and to captivate market shares in this competitive music industry.
00:25:51
Speaker
And I think it'll be interesting to see what happens.
Weather Banter & Celebrity Marketing
00:25:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And please continue to bump climb with Lana Del Rey. I'll throw that in the recap too. I'll find the clip. Yeah.
00:26:03
Speaker
um You know, like, just just hit that lesbian, you know, the sapphic pop of the world. Just continue doing that, girl. Like, we love it. We're the bestie in my pussy.
00:26:17
Speaker
Anyways, we took a little break. We got um new Cosmos. Cheers, bitch. I love you. love you, too. was going make really good customers.
00:26:31
Speaker
I'm making good drinks today. Yeah, you do. It's probably like, what, 3 o'clock here? Mm-hmm. Concert's at 7. Well, I mean, the opener started around 7, so we have some time to kill. Yeah, we do.
00:26:41
Speaker
So I'm glad we're potting for that. Yeah. This is like just the perfect knee tour from... you know, the sun. Yeah. It's once again, i said this at the top. It is so fucking hot here, which we love. We're adoring it, but it's a lot.
00:26:55
Speaker
It's a lot. So yeah, we quarantine ourselves into the living space to do the pod. And yeah, we're letting our ah boyfriends, yeah roast themselves outside and and and the thing is like just like ariana grande oscar changed ethnicity every time that he's in summer so i get so dark i do really really do it's all your melanin babe i actually love you with like this tense like look at He is so, he's like a completely. Yeah. yeah but you
00:27:28
Speaker
Cause you're good at sunscreen. I'm not, I don't, I try to put Well, I try to put it on my face and my, the top of my shoulders. Cause I will burn, but the rest of my body, I do not burn at all.
00:27:39
Speaker
yeah So I don't, I mean, I still put it on cause it's important. And especially on your face, because I do not want to age, but, but it is important. Everybody wear your sunscreen. Yes.
00:27:49
Speaker
Brazilian don't crack anything. But no, it's nice to be back in the heat. We're having a really humid, sticky summer in Minneapolis right now.
00:28:01
Speaker
And then how's the weather in Seattle? Seattle's been great. Yeah? It's been a little bit chilly and not as sunny as I want, but it's at least not as rainy as last year.
00:28:13
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. Escaping the rain. Escaping the rain to be here. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. all right, well, let's get into our next topic. I think you're going to lead us off here.
00:28:24
Speaker
i don't know what he's going to say, so you never know. This segment is called The Male Gaze or The Male Gaze. yeah um Let's talk about celebrities doing things for the male gaze, or is it the male gaze?
00:28:40
Speaker
So who's on your docket? The first one I have to say is Benson Booney. Booney. Benson Boone.
00:28:50
Speaker
I can't even say his name right. He's been queer baiting for the longest time. And his aesthetic is so... I'm sorry. This is like clearly somebody who's enjoying appropriating queer imaging without actually doing anything good or appealing to the gay community because he wants to use the male gaze to appeal to straight female audience.
00:29:22
Speaker
And it's so off-putting because, I'm sorry, we're going to be an anti-Benson audience. podcast here because I don't think he has the best people surrounding him that will actually do anything for the gay community despite using our images.
00:29:39
Speaker
Those speedos are not selling honey. ah those What is it? He was doing this. i see Oh my God. Girl. Yeah. and and And the flipping.
00:29:50
Speaker
oh that's so so yesterday. So yesterday. So yesterday. It is. Yeah. he's He's trying too hard. And I really hope that, you know, someday he will come out as like an ally. But right now, there's no indication that he's an ally whatsoever.
00:30:08
Speaker
What do you think of, so not to switch topics, but like, what do you think of, because I'm thinking of like what you're talking about. What are your thoughts on, we saw Bad Bunny in those Calvin Klein. Yes. Campaigns. Yeah.
00:30:20
Speaker
Hot. Oh my God. I didn't realize how hot. didn't even know how hot he was. Yeah. So, I love, love, Bad Bunny. But how do you like compare the two? Because I think there is maybe a little bit of, well, Calvin Klein knows what they're doing. But like, is there, is that queerbaiting as well? Or how do you differentiate the two?
00:30:39
Speaker
I think bad money has always been a vocal supporter of the guys. I think so too. yeah And if if you want to do that type of like clearly queer image, then you should actually have some some sort of base to rely upon in terms of like what you truly believe in.
00:31:00
Speaker
And for somebody like Manson who come in into the scene and like, clearly also appealing to a lot of right-wing men to be honest with you that is not very trustworthy that is the kind of person who will someday come out as you know somebody who wants to rob our rights away and we are not a political podcast But sorry, Benson, you're going to have to earn our trust.
00:31:26
Speaker
How old is he He's 20-something. He's very young.
Ava Max & Tate McRae's Musical Journeys
00:31:30
Speaker
yeah Yeah. Now, another celebrity on male gaze or male gaze is Ava Max. Ava Max?
00:31:39
Speaker
oh Ava Max. months she I used to listen to Ava Max all the time, and I have not heard anything new from her in a while. Yeah. So what's going on with her? So did you know that she's Albanian?
00:31:51
Speaker
like no thought Yeah. I did know that. From Wisconsin? So she grew up in Wisconsin? She is from your hometown. I was like, I'm from Wisconsin. Girl. did i go there Did I go to school with Ava?
00:32:01
Speaker
No, because she's like way... Did you go to school with Ava Max? I think she's way younger than No, she's your age. Really? Yes. Let's Google it. fact check. Okay, let's fact check. Because here's the thing.
00:32:14
Speaker
Ava Max, how's it going on? like I've always loved her. I love her. I think she's incredibly talented. She has a great songs. But I have not heard anything new. ah Diamonds and Dance Floor was a really good record that flopped so hard.
00:32:30
Speaker
So hard. Did it flop? I loved it. So the thing is, she's a year younger than me. yeah Okay, we're about this same age. might actually go to school with her. I thought she was older. my gosh. I love that for her. Well, the the best part is, well, you don't know this.
00:32:45
Speaker
And this is the first time you're going to hear about this. yeah The record producers that worked with her ever since her start of the career has now moved to on to work with Lady Gaga.
00:33:00
Speaker
Circuit, the producer, produced the and entire Mayhem album. Here's the thing. We can't even go off on a Gaga tangent because that will last half an hour. So we're not going to do that. Yeah. But that's interesting information to know. You didn't know about this. I didn't know.
00:33:15
Speaker
And I will be fact checking because yeah I want Ava to continue to succeed. And obviously Gaga is doing impeccable in her career path. So. And in about 10 days, I get to see the mayhem tour in Vegas. It's like her first date.
00:33:30
Speaker
So I'm very excited. And then you get to see her in Seattle with your friends, but I'm excited. I get to see her on her first date of this actual tour. So I love mother.
00:33:42
Speaker
Yes. Mother's the best. We support her. We love her. She's been through a lot. We talk about this every fucking episode. We literally bring Gaga up every single episode. Every every episode, there's a Gaga segment.
00:33:53
Speaker
So that's interesting that Ava is working with Sook It. Yeah. yeah a producer now The thing the thing is, her last record floww So the last thing she put out was appealing to the male gaze, G-A-Z-E, with the whole American flag, everything. Oh, that's right. Yes, that's right.
00:34:18
Speaker
So ah you need to put this on the episode recap. Yes, I will. Because she's ah swinging by cart, and I'm like, girl, do not go down that route. Yeah. exactly yeah good point yes yeah so cheers cheers love you and one final celebrity i wanted to talk about who i misunderstood for the longest time that she was appealing to the male gaze instead of the male gaze our girl tate mccray oh my gosh i cannot wait to talk about this yeah when she started out i mean she is a she's a dancer
00:34:54
Speaker
Yeah, she was a dancer, and i think she kind of comes from some backing, you know, her parents. yeah have Her mom is a dance mom, for sure. Again, Nepo baby. Like, shut the fuck up.
00:35:06
Speaker
I don't even know. As long as you have talent. Yeah, and I don't know if it's really technically Nepo baby, but... Her mom is a hardcore dance mom. Like yeah if you could watch that show, Dance Moms, her mom would be on that show because it's insane. And Tate talks about this openly.
00:35:24
Speaker
She's allowed to eat like rice crackers on tour because her mom wants her. Like it's just, it's crazy because she's so young. And I fucking love Tate McRae. And we have our favorite songs by her or whatever.
00:35:36
Speaker
i just love that she's turning into a commercial success. She is working with some of the best in the industry. She is so talented such an incredible dancer, such stage presence.
00:35:47
Speaker
And I get to go see her at her sold-out show in the cities, and I'm excited for that. And she's come so far in such a short amount of time, and I have to respect that.
00:35:59
Speaker
there's There's nothing bad that I can say about this girl who is just- Woking her off. She's killing it. It's like party music, and we we listen to her, and we joke around. It's like- Tate eight. Yeah, Tate eight. have that kind of music and that's part of now your discography as such a young person who's going to continue to grow, you have nowhere but up to go. So to me, it's exciting.
00:36:25
Speaker
I love her. I know she's about 22, 24 years old. like She's like a whole decade younger than I am, but I don't care. And there's always going to be haters, but she, she's, I think she's special.
00:36:37
Speaker
So I'm excited to see where she's going to go from here. And the reason why I at first did not buy into. Yeah. It took you a while. it took you a while. Yeah. Because of the whole thing. Like,
00:36:49
Speaker
i I wasn't sure if she was appealing to a certain demographic of you know like not gay-friendly people. yeah And then the more i listened to her, the more she grew. it It's very evident that she's surrounding herself with the male gaze.
00:37:06
Speaker
the male gaze. and the G-A-Y-S. Yeah. All of her. um And they're all young. All of their dancers, all of her dancers are like 19, 20, 21 years old. Like they're all just yeah starting off. And it's like, what a great group that she has created. And they're going to A, be there along for the ride with her, but she's also setting all of them up for future careers as well as dancers and,
00:37:33
Speaker
whatever So there's nothing but positivity coming from the Tate camp. So i'm I'm all for it. So Tate will eat. Tate will always eat.
00:37:45
Speaker
We're tater tots.
Closing & Gratitude
00:37:50
Speaker
And with that, cheers to that. I love you. This has been one of the best, if not the bad be best, so far. If not the best. And um our boyfriends are coming in. They're reminding us that we're on vacation. I know. So we we need to stop. We have to log off. But this has been so, this is like literally the best.
00:38:10
Speaker
See, one of the other things is this. I just want to close out with this. Absolutely. Go for it. The whole point of this podcast has been me connecting with my bestie and vice versa.
00:38:21
Speaker
And doing it remotely is quite difficult sometimes. It is. It's very hard. And the amount of editing that this is. lot of work. Yeah. is putting on, i kid you not, but when we are together, did you see this?
00:38:36
Speaker
Yeah. And the thing is, is like when we are apart, I don't mind doing like the hard actual work to make this podcast happen because it is a lot of time, but I like the creative control of being able to like produce and edit it, but to be next to you right now, cause you're my best friend and I miss you so much. So the fact that we get to do this today is so so special.
00:38:59
Speaker
Yeah. I'm so happy. Yeah. And this is right before um the headline of two best friends murdering each other. Yeah, we'll see if we make it home from this trip. Yeah. yeah yeah Well, we want to thank you all for listening, tuning in And once again, we always appreciate your guys' support.
00:39:16
Speaker
and All 20 you. But no, we're happy to be back because i don't know if you heard. I heard a couple people be like, where are you? And it's been a couple weeks. So we're back. Yeah. So it's, it yes, life gets in the way. And if we miss one week.
00:39:32
Speaker
But we did it. It's just so nice to do it together. So I love you. Thank you. I love you too. All right, everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye, bestie. Bye, bestie.
00:39:53
Speaker
Thank you for listening to Oops, We're Talking Again. Production and editing by me, Oscar Stutchin. Original cover artwork concept by Jason Nguyen. Music by you ninety eight ah nine Our website is oopspod.com.
00:40:09
Speaker
O-O-P-S-P-O-D dot C-O-M. Follow the pod on Instagram at oopspod official for our weekly episode visual recaps. If you have any thoughts to share, email us at oopspodcasting at gmail.com.
00:40:25
Speaker
Our podcast is available on all major platforms. If you enjoyed today's episode, please rate, review, and subscribe. Until next week, bye Jason.