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The Manosphere: How Media Influences Young Men's Views on Gender
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In this enlightening episode of “Unsolicited Perspectives,” host Bruce Anthony and J. Aundrea dissect the complex world of the manosphere and its profound impact on young men’s views on gender. They delve into the widening gender gap among Gen Z, highlighting the stark contrast between young women’s embrace of feminism and young men’s resistance to these changes.
The duo explores the toxic masculinity that is often perpetuated within the manosphere, discussing the negative influence of online communities that hold anti-feminist views. They shed light on the dehumanization of women and the conflicting messages that young men receive.
This episode underscores the importance of media literacy and the urgent need for men to adapt and evolve in a rapidly changing society. It challenges the harmful views propagated by the manosphere and highlights the challenges faced by young men. #SocialIssuesCommentary #ManosphereExposure #InclusiveSociety #SocietalImpact #MensExperiences
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 -Introduction
01:01 - Jay's Puppy Adventure
06:33 - Shocking Crime: Father Beheaded
10:52 - Media Influence on Society
19:35 - Gender Gap in Gen Z
22:50 - Gen Z Male Challenges
29:10 - Exploring the Manosphere
32:20 - Manosphere vs. Feminism
34:10 - Impact of Me Too Movement
37:30 - The Flaws in Analogies
41:17 - Manosphere's Effect on Youth
43:31 - Male Separatism Explored
48:50 - Manosphere Membership
52:28 - Opportunism within the Manosphere
59:10 - Bruce's Reaction to Jay's Video
1:05:25 - Concluding Thoughts
1:08:20 - Video Outro
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Podcast Introduction and Teaser
00:00:10
Speaker
Welcome. First of all, welcome. This is Unsolicited Perspectives. I'm Bruce Anthony. Your host here to lead the conversation in important events and topics that have shaped the state of society. Join the conversation by following us wherever you get your audio podcasts. Subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch our video podcasts. Rate, review, like, comment, share, share with your friends, share with your family, help, even share with your enemies.
00:00:35
Speaker
On today's episode, it's the Sibling Happy Hour. I'm here with my sis, Jay Andrea. We're gonna be talking about a funny, or not funny, an interesting story in the news. We're gonna be talking about Manosphere. And also, we'll be praising some men some of the time. But that's enough of the intro.
Jay's New Puppy Story
00:00:52
Speaker
Let's get to the show. What up, sis? What up, brother?
00:01:03
Speaker
I can't call it, I can't call it. You got something new to introduce to the audience today. I do. There's a new addition to my little family of me and my dog Tenderoni. His name is Roscoe, and he is an eight-week-old puppy. He's a Doberman bullmastiff mix. I did not know I was getting him.
00:01:31
Speaker
But when Nicole came in, hey, can you take this dog? I'm about to go pick him up. I just ran to PetSmart and bought all the puppy stuff I could think of. And he has been a great addition to the family. Ronie just loves them. They play together. They're so cute. And he's just a little dumpling, and I'm just so happy, so.
00:01:55
Speaker
He is absolutely adorable. And I was really hoping that Roni would take to him, because we know Roni don't like dogs. Roni did not like crypto at all. Roni didn't like Tokyo when you rescued that dog for that night. But Roni has just taken to little Roscoe. And that's not his. Tell the people what his full name is.
TV Show 'Reacher' and Aging Discussion
00:02:18
Speaker
His name is Roscoe Gerald Lavert.
00:02:23
Speaker
Everybody likes to ask, but I mean, Tenderoni's name is Tenderoni Shalimar. But I saw him and he just looked like a Roscoe and I never thought I would name a dog Roscoe. I mean, judging by my first dog, I mean, her name is Tenderoni. I'm not a, you know,
00:02:49
Speaker
typical dog name type person, but he looked like a Roscoe. Also, I've been watching Reacher on Prime. Great show. And the main cop lady, her name is Roscoe, so I think it was just in my head.
00:03:04
Speaker
Her first name is Roscoe. Is it Roscoe? Yeah, that was kind of like the joke she introduced herself. He's like, your name is Roscoe? And she's like, yes. Oh, you're watching the first season. I don't even remember her. Yeah, I don't even remember her name. But oh, OK, yes, yes, yes. OK, the first season, the detective, Roscoe. OK, yes, I got it. Yes, yes.
00:03:25
Speaker
Good show. You called me. You called me. I don't know if you remember. Would you send me a memo? Okay. You sent me a memo and he was like, are you as big as Reacher? And I said, first season, I'm as big as Reacher. Second season, I am not as big as Reacher. He gets second season. He's big. How is that possible? He gets he gets a lot bigger. He looks like a version of the rock in the second season.
00:03:55
Speaker
How is that? How can he... Because first season, Reacher, he was gigantic. Yes.
00:04:01
Speaker
No, he's like he's like my build. He's my height. Yeah, actually, he might be six five instead of six four. Big guy, big guy. He was Aquaman on Smallville. So I've known and followed his career for a long time. So he's a slightly younger than me. I think he's around 40 to 43. So just slightly younger than I am. And he said he had to get himself in shape. He had to get to 235 pounds.
00:04:27
Speaker
Um, before the start of the first season. And so he killed himself. He had eight months to do it. And I think that was like, he had to put on like 25 pounds or something like that muscle. And so he said he killed himself in the gym.
00:04:40
Speaker
And then after the season was over, he did his regular physical. They did blood work. And he was like, I didn't have any testosterone left. It was all gone. And I was like, yeah, bro, you're 40. It starts leaking from us at the age of 30. Not leaking. No, it starts leaking. It starts leaking from us day to 30. By the time you get to 40, it's like, yo, do I got any more? And he didn't have any more left. So to prepare for the second season, he started doing testosterone shots.
00:05:09
Speaker
And I'm not knocking them, you know? I mean, sometimes people got to do testosterone shots. Would I do testosterone shots? No, because I don't want to take no shots. But if there was some testosterone pills,
00:05:25
Speaker
If you had a testosterone deficiency. Oh, I absolutely like, I'm 44. I can feel it when I go to the gym. I'm tired all the time. All the symptoms that he said, I need to go get some blood work done. Cause all the symptoms that he said, I got.
00:05:40
Speaker
He's just being tired all the time, lethargic, really trying to kick yourself in the gear in the gym. It's hard. It's got to be hard to carry that much muscle around, like that much weight. It's got to be just getting up from a chair. It can't be easy for you. And you hear me when I get a projection that you always talk about how I'm making sounds. It ain't easy to move this body. Jeez.
00:06:06
Speaker
some of my clients now some of my clients now I just I just be lazy and they'll have weights in their hands and they're like um so here you want to take this because normally back in the day I would grab everything and move all this stuff around I was like you can put it right over there you can put it right over there you don't need my help for that go ahead put that right over there that's called call that a rip
00:06:26
Speaker
That's it. Go on, put it back. Go on, put it back. Well, OK, this is a weird segue. And you kind of didn't want to talk about this, but I was like, this is interesting. Well, first, we have to say something very important. OK, say what's important. Today is February 1st. That's right. Happy Black History Month. Happy Black History Month. I thought we normally say that at the end. That's what you did last year. Bruce, I don't know what I did last week.
00:06:56
Speaker
And I'm black, y'all. And I'm black, y'all. And I'm bliggity black. And I'm black, y'all. And if y'all don't get that, that's a CB4 reference. If you follow me on Instagram, you saw that I posted that on my stories. Yes. OK, Jay, that was weird. I'm trying to get to this story. And you say happy Black History Month. Yeah. I want to make it even more difficult for us to talk about this. Well, we're going to talk about it anyway.
00:07:22
Speaker
Um, I was perusing
Shocking News Story and Media Influence
00:07:26
Speaker
the, it's not funny. It's not funny, but I find it interesting. So, uh, you know, as always, I'm on the internet reading articles all day long, every day, all day long. That's what I do. And this headline comes across and it says, basically I'm paraphrasing man.
00:07:45
Speaker
with head on YouTube video. And I was like, huh, what is this? So I click on it and basically here's the story. Justin Moan is a man from Levingtown, Pennsylvania. He's been accused of a serious crime, y'all, serious. According to reports, he allegedly beheaded his father,
00:08:04
Speaker
and then displayed the severed head in a YouTube video. He was taken into custody on suspicion of first-degree murder. I don't know how there's any suspicion when he got his dad's head on a YouTube video. Yes, he showed it on a YouTube video. It's since been taken down from YouTube, but suspicion for first-degree murder and denied bail. I would hope he'd be denied bail.
00:08:27
Speaker
He was found in a National Guard base after allegedly committing the crime. The incident has caused a significant disturbance in the local community. I mean, I guess it would. Justin has expressed a variety of beliefs on his social media platforms. He's described himself as a musician. I mean, that's pretty good. A producer, an author of seven books that's available on Amazon, a commander of America's national network of militias,
00:08:53
Speaker
Those are going to get taken down from Amazon so quickly, if they haven't been already. Maybe. He's the commander of America's national network of militias. These are all his other things that he said he was on his social media. He's the acting president of the United States and even suggested he might be the Messiah.
00:09:14
Speaker
The video posted on YouTube, he expressed anti-government sentiments and called for the execution of all federal workers claiming that they betrayed American citizens. And he rallied against what are described as far left, woke, pro-eminent, pro-Black Lives Matter, and pro-LGBTQ influencers in the federal government that he said are destroying America.
00:09:41
Speaker
And the reason why he killed his dad, because his dad was a federal worker. So as he said, you got to kill all federal workers. So he killed his dad and beheaded him.
00:09:54
Speaker
Yeah, so he's in jail right now. So I thought that was an interesting story. And I know you didn't want to talk about it. But what's interesting to me is we're in an election year. And you have these people on the far right. They're saying these inflammatory things to cause fear and get people riled up. And you're going to see things like this. This is an extreme.
00:10:18
Speaker
Right. Yes. But how extreme is it really? Because three years ago, there was a storming at the Capitol on January 6, where they were literally had nooses calling to hang Mike Pence. Now, anybody that believes that if they didn't get their hands on Mike Pence, or AOC, or any politicians that they didn't like, if you didn't think that they would hurt those politicians, you're delusional.
00:10:47
Speaker
I find it fascinating, and the whole theme of today's episode is how media influences stupid people. Stupid people, okay? That's what the whole- How media influences-
00:11:00
Speaker
vulnerable people vulnerable? Well, vulnerable people are stupid people. No, that's not true. That's, that's not true. I'm taking that back. That's, that's, that's not true. But definitely vulnerable people. And there's a lot of people out there. You know, I love watching. I love watching these interviewers that interview people at Trump rallies and just hear their beliefs. And
00:11:25
Speaker
It's not all, I said stupid people, but it's not all stupid people. There are some smart people that keep getting fed information. If you keep getting fed the same information over and over and over again, even when you think it's a lie in the beginning, when it's jammed down your throat, you're going to start to believe, oh, this is actually the truth. So I don't know what you think.
00:11:47
Speaker
I think we are woefully underfunding mental health services in our country. I think that this guy, I don't know if he was influenced by the internet. I mean, it really doesn't seem to be anything
00:12:09
Speaker
pointing to that, except for the fact that he has a lot of conspiracy theories. And that's really a lot of what you'll hear in that echo chamber of 4chan and Truth Social and wherever the hell they hang out. I don't know where they hang out. Truth Social is a good starting point. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know where they hang out because I don't know nothing about that. Fox News.
00:12:38
Speaker
Yeah. But is there definitely an issue going on in this country? Well, I mean, it's an old issue, right, using the media for fear mongering, right, to control the public, especially to point them in the direction of what you want them to believe. But he
00:13:04
Speaker
Yeah, he could be a victim of that. There's so many talking heads that say really, really dangerous things to a very wide and broad audience, and no one is really holding these infotainment... Mm.
00:13:25
Speaker
infotainment people or quote, unquote journalists. You can't really call what they do journalism, but these talking heads, these pundits, nobody is holding them truly accountable for the really dangerous rhetoric that they're spewing.
00:13:47
Speaker
And then you have people who are outside of the mainstream with their podcasts and things like that as we talk about this on a podcast. But who are, you know, the internet has provided a platform for everybody.
Introduction to the Manosphere
00:14:06
Speaker
to voice their opinions, even if they're dangerous. And you gotta just start thinking about when are we going to reign this in? Or are we just going to continue to allow... I get people's position on free speech and things like that. I think the internet is a great forum for people to exchange ideas.
00:14:31
Speaker
But it can also be very dangerous and it can give rise to people like, what was his name? Justin? Yeah, Justin. Justin Mohn. Justin Mohn or Mohn or whatever. Mohn, I'm not sure. First of all, he should have had a better last name in life. Well, he got his last name from his dad, God rest him.
00:14:56
Speaker
God rest his soul. A federal worker. I think he was a man. No, he was an engineer. His father didn't do anything directly. He wasn't a legislator. He was an engineer with the geo-environmental section of the US Army Corps of Engineers, Philadelphia District.
00:15:20
Speaker
Well, of course, the Army Corps of Engineers, I mean, do great work. They are the reason our levies hold and things like that. So, you know, just a really, really sad story. But it is it is very true that there are a lot of dangerous people out here spewing very dangerous rhetoric and they have a platform to do it.
00:15:48
Speaker
Yes. So like I said, there's an overall arching theme for today's episode. And it's about media influence, and how it's affecting people. And, you know, it affected this young man, and he was a young man, wasn't somebody that was, you know, they, they, there's he still alive? Yeah, I said he affected the young man. I didn't say he was dead. I just said he was a young man.
00:16:13
Speaker
Oh, you said he was a young man, so I didn't know if he was. I mean, yeah, I mean, he is, excuse me. He is a young man affected by the media. One of the ways in which media is starting to affect the youth
00:16:29
Speaker
Male youth in particular is this thing called Manosphere, and we're going to get to that next. Hey there, podcast listeners. It's Bruce Anthony here, and welcome to another episode of Unsolicited Perspectives. Today, I want to talk to you about something that's been on my mind lately, the importance of staying hydrated and taking care of ourselves.
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Gender Gap in Gen Z
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00:19:36
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All right, since before we get the Manosphere, we need to set the stage of what we're actually going to be talking about. So a lot of this information comes from this article. And what's the name of the article again? It was an article in Business Insider. And it's titled, The Gen Z Gender Gap is Widening and the Influence of Manosphere Podcasters Cannot Be Ignored. It came out today. And it's got a lot of interesting information in it.
00:20:04
Speaker
So everybody's gonna ask, what are they talking about this gender gap among Gen Z? So it's a phenomenon that's happening between obviously the genders and Gen Z, men and women.
00:20:16
Speaker
Um, and it, and it's happening with political divergence, right? Young women have become substantially more liberal over the past several years, whereas views held by young men have mostly remained the same. The divergence is leading to a gender gap in political views that is wider and diverging more rapidly than what is seen in previous generations. You know, some of this stuff is because of major things that's been happening. You have political events like the election of Donald Trump, you had the me too movement.
00:20:45
Speaker
You had the Supreme Court decision to overturn abortion rights, basically overturning Roe v. Wade. All of these things have had a really strong impact on women, and women are just like, yo, to hell with all of this. Y'all are belittling us, putting us down after all the work that feminists had done in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. We're not going back to that. Now, because women are standing up for themselves and saying that
00:21:15
Speaker
We're not going to take it, right? There's been a backlash from young men who said the Me Too movement has gone a little bit too far. Basically, women, they're scared because women are gaining more and more control, gaining more and more of a voice. And they're also really scared of changing of the gender norms, right?
00:21:41
Speaker
What isn't discussed in this article but should be discussed is the fact that women don't need men no more financially, by and large, because women are out here making, getting their money. So what are men bringing to the table as far as dating is concerned? It can't be just your finances, though that is the case still in some situations. But you guys got to bring more to the table than money and dick.
00:22:07
Speaker
Like because also women now have toys that's better than what you got. So if you ain't got, you know, if they don't need your money and they don't need that instrument, you need to bring something else to the table. This is a shock because these young men are saying, well, generations before them didn't have to deal with this. Well, guess what? Every generation evolves.
Historical Parallels and Struggles of Gen Z Males
00:22:30
Speaker
Yeah. You need to evolve and adapt. And they're not Gen Z.
00:22:35
Speaker
Not every male, we're talking generalities here. Gen Z males are pushing back against feminism and embracing more of toxic masculinity. So you said you had notes before we actually go to the manosphere of how these things are cultivating within these young men. But let's break down some of your thoughts on the article. Yeah. So, I mean, first of all, Gen Z men are
00:23:05
Speaker
For lack of a better word, they're struggling. They're struggling in society today. And it is not all their fault. They're falling behind in education, educational engagement and outcomes. The rates of young male economic inactivity has risen considerably over the past 20 years. So that's basically dudes ain't getting no money.
00:23:32
Speaker
They ain't got no money. They got no money. Ain't get no money. Right. Sexual activity has dropped. There is a loneliness crisis. Suicide rates have risen. So they're they're coming of age in a time of romantic rejection, alienation, economic failure. And they need
00:24:03
Speaker
an enemy. They need a definable enemy that will say, it makes me think honestly of the time of enslavement and how there are more overseers than there were masters.
00:24:29
Speaker
There were more, and who do you think was more pissed off when we received emancipation? All those overseers. Right? Yeah. Because now, they didn't have the money, but they had a position. They had the power.
00:24:50
Speaker
they had power above. Not real power. It was loaned power. It wasn't real power. But they had a position above. And now they're having to work alongside. Yes. Yeah. It was a hierarchy. Yeah. Who joined the posses? Those old overseers. They're the ones who were doing that. So it makes me think of the same thing. People need
00:25:20
Speaker
an external enemy. And who better than the people you were above, but who are now seeing higher educational outcomes, who are closing the wage gap is not closed yet. Yeah. But we're seeing more economic growth. Black women in this country are still number one in terms of entrepreneurship and starting new businesses.
00:25:49
Speaker
you're seeing women advocate for, um, uh, mental health and therapy and things like that and breaking generational curses and setting boundaries and things like that. So these are people that you used to be in a position of power over. And now people are telling you, you have to work alongside them. Hmm.
00:26:19
Speaker
Yeah. And men aren't taking it well. Yeah. They're not gonna take it. Right. So it's interesting. It's funny that I never even thought about that loaned power because you're absolutely right. Overseers had loaned power. And men by and large had this loaned respectability
00:26:41
Speaker
Another words, you know, there was some out there, there was some men out there that was out there taking care of their families, bringing home the bread that there was that old traditional male, whether wife was a homemaker, but there was some men out there that was not doing that, but they still were better than that woman who was the Susie homemaker who, if she did go to college, it was only for nursing or to be a school teacher. Like that. Did they even have to go to college to be a secretary?
00:27:08
Speaker
Yeah, you had to learn and type in and all of that. Okay. All right. All right. I stand. Some light accounting. So that sucks, but also I'm not saying I agree with it. So let me, let me say that first. I do not agree with it. I understand. And also let's be clear. Men with their shit together are not in the manosphere. No, they are not. These are, well, there might be men you talk about mentally and emotionally with their shit together.
00:27:37
Speaker
And they got some money in their pocket. I know for a fact, you look at the men, we're going to get to the point, we're going to get to later in the show where we talk about the influencers in this manosphere. They have money, but also- Oh yeah, we're not talking about the opportunists. I'm talking about the people within the manosphere, the actual community of people within the manosphere.
00:27:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yes. And for those men, we'll get into later those end cells and things of that nature who are basically celibate because they can't get no woman. You got to bring more to the table than just I have a good job. Like I said, that's not getting that can get you women.
00:28:16
Speaker
That can get you a certain type of woman, but that's not getting you women if you never developed a personality, you know, what are your interests? If all you're doing is talking about, you know, your job and your material possessions, some women still absolutely dig that you could find your lane. You just competing with a lot of men that might be better off than you financially. So those women that are attracted to that type of thing,
00:28:45
Speaker
You're going to be down on the pecking order. What did we establish? What was that, the totem pole? Which one was the high and the low? We couldn't figure that out. Which was bad, being on the low or the high of the totem pole? Oh, you don't want to be the low man on the totem pole because you're supporting everybody above you. Right, right. OK, so we've been going on and on and on about this manosphere. Yeah.
00:29:11
Speaker
What is it? So the Manosphere is a network of online communities focused on men's issues and generally holds anti-feminist views. They express that feminism is harmful. The Manosphere is often views feminism as harmful to society and men, not just men to society. So they look at it as women getting their education, going out there, getting their money is a detriment to society. And then you know where that comes from, right?
00:29:40
Speaker
That comes from if women are out there working and doing all these things, who's going to be home taking care of the kids? Because they had this outdated view, once again, going to one of the issues that they have, the changing of the gender norms.
Men's Perception of Feminism
00:29:54
Speaker
They had this outdated view.
00:29:55
Speaker
of what life is. They want to go back to the 60s. No, they don't. And that's the that's another thing. And here's why they buy in a lot to gender roles, those traditional gender roles and the gender binary. But here's why it doesn't work and why it ultimately is unnatural, because they are saying they want to go back to the time where the man was the breadwinner and the head of the household and the woman was the housekeeper.
00:30:25
Speaker
But at the same time, they're decrying what they call, quote unquote, gold diggers. At the same time, they want you to go 50-50 on the bills, but still pick up 100% of the care of the children. They don't. They want, but they don't want, like this, but they don't want that. It's never really defined what
00:30:52
Speaker
you actually, what are you actually looking for? And the reason is, is because it is an unnatural position to put both parties into, to put both parties into this tiny little box where you can only act this way and you can only be this way and nothing else or you're not a woman or you're not a man. But even within that binary, there is still so much
00:31:21
Speaker
hypocrisy and confusion. Like it sounds confusing. We as women have no idea what men are actually looking for because it's, you're getting such conflicting messages. That's what I wanted to talk about. The messages is conflicting as hell. Now, why would men be confused? What are some of the most confused males in the world?
00:31:52
Speaker
Tell me. Teenagers. Why?
00:31:56
Speaker
Why? Because a lot of them aren't having sex. You need that after sex clarity. So these, so these men out here, these men out here with no after sex clarity, just confused and running around. They're teenagers. So, uh, this manosphere, feminism is a big enemy because it threatens society. It also,
00:32:24
Speaker
creates this idea that men are being prejudiced against. So that was their situation. There was their angst against the Me Too movement. Now, I have something to say about that. If men out here not realizing how often women are being sexually assaulted,
00:32:45
Speaker
Y'all are stupid. Was it a statistic that I read one time that every two and three women have been sexually assaulted? Now, the sexual assault varies, right? Groping to full on sexual assault. I don't like saying that the R word, but the full on sexual assault, it varies. But every basically every woman that you know in your life,
00:33:09
Speaker
has been sexually assaulted somehow. Women have to walk around in fear all of the time because men think that women are their possession. This is another thing that's preached in the manosphere, that males are the superiority and women are there to be their property. Yes. And you have women out there that are afraid that things happen to them and they don't speak up.
00:33:38
Speaker
Because for various reasons, there are various reasons why women don't speak up. And there are various reasons why if one woman speaks up, it gives another woman courage to speak up. That's the reason why you saw domino effects of all these women coming forward, talking against Weinstein, against Cosby. Hell, it's getting ready to come out about Vince McMahon. The reason why, it's one person gives another person the strength
00:34:07
Speaker
to speak their truth. These idiots are out here saying, and I already talked about Vince McMahon on the show on Tuesday, but I read the comments. Vince McMahon did something horrible. He was a part of something absolutely horrible to this young lady. And I read these comments, and these guys are like, wish you took the money.
00:34:26
Speaker
It wasn't, she didn't mind that bad when she was getting this and that. It was a deal that she had because they was getting, you know, he gave her a good job. Yes, he did give her a good job and they did have a consensual relationship in the beginning. But when he starts pimping her out to his friends and she's like, I'm not feeling this. And he's like, you're going to do it anyway. That's when it crosses the line. If any man doesn't understand that, if any man doesn't understand that,
00:34:54
Speaker
Go to jail because I guarantee you when your step foot and those bars clash behind you, you're going to know what it's like to be treated as a woman because you're meat in prison. Don't nobody want to talk about that. No man wants to go to prison and like, oh man, that stuff like, yeah. What do you think men do out there to women?
00:35:17
Speaker
It's the same thing that men do to men in prison. So that fear that you have being in prison, that's the fear that women live with every single day. Men need to shut the hell up. When a woman says she's been assaulted, look, are there women out there that lie? Yes. But how often is it? Few and far between. There are more women, I guarantee you, I bet my life on it. There are more women that don't say anything than there are women who lie. That's absolutely true.
00:35:46
Speaker
not even close. So these are all the things that are happening in the mental sphere. And these are podcasts and television shows that, that algorithms are pushing to these young men. Yes. And I will tell you because I'm the one who clears the comments that on our YouTube page and we get a ton of comments and people are like, well, I look at your videos. I don't see a lot of comments because let me tell you something. Me and my sister,
00:36:15
Speaker
This is a prime example of this episode. Talk about real shit. Yeah. And those men don't like it. And so there's a lot of negativity on YouTube. But if I start talking about how men are superior to women and I start feeding in in the manosphere, I'm going to get a lot of write on, preach on brother. That's what I'm talking about. There's going to be a lot of likes, a lot of comments.
00:36:38
Speaker
So YouTube is pushing algorithms. IG, TikTok are pushing these algorithms because if you click it one time, the algorithm says, oh, you like it. It's going to start feeding it and bombarding it with you. And these kids fall in, kids, these men fall into this, this toxic. Kids also.
00:36:59
Speaker
kids, yeah, that's the major problem because we're talking about Gen Z. And yes, there are some 20 year olds that are NG Gen Z, but the majority of them are basically teenagers right now. That's specifically what I'm talking about. They're being influenced by some of these podcast influencers who are using them, gaming them, because they're getting money from it. Yeah. And you know, so yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think I
00:37:26
Speaker
I get why you use the analogy, the prison analogy, but the reason why analogies like that don't work for guys in the manosphere to incels and men's rights activists and things like that. Men's rights. There's men's rights and father rights activists now. Okay. The reason why it doesn't work is because
00:37:54
Speaker
inherent in analogies like that is the foundational idea that you see people as human beings. Preach to them. Because they don't see women as human beings, they are property.
Influencers in the Manosphere
00:38:11
Speaker
That's why you can find such parallels
00:38:16
Speaker
in the manosphere with how people acted during enslavement and post-emancipation and all of that toward life. Or now. Or now. Or now, yeah. Or now, right? Because I was having an interesting conversation with somebody, and they were saying, in the army, in our armed forces, they will come up with these derogatory names for the enemy, which basically helps the soldier
00:38:44
Speaker
dehumanize their enemy so that they can attack. This is a common tactic in America. We often dehumanize our enemy. You see it in a lot of things that happened with Justin in the first segment. He talked about leftists, woke. BLM for some reason has become a rallying cry for those people to
00:39:09
Speaker
It's for anti-Black racism. It's anti-Black. Yeah, it's anti-Black. It's anti-Black. Anytime somebody says a BLM in a derogatory manner, you're telling on yourself. I know exactly who the hell you are. Yeah. But that's what it is. And so you're right. It's a dehumanization of women. And other men. Because if you have, because I guarantee you've probably seen comments where you're a simp, cup,
00:39:38
Speaker
Beta, these are all, these are all, again, buzzwords, right, to dehumanize. Oh, you think I didn't? I just had Dr. Ivan Weiss talking about men's fear of women. And I post some clips on YouTube. Oh, hell yeah, there was a lot of comments from those men. Oh, there's some simps stuff. And you know what's really funny to me?
00:40:02
Speaker
all these guys, and we'll get into the main target in the next segment. We can bring him up now. Andrew Tate. We're going to talk about Andrew Tate's ass because he is a former professional boxer. But most of these guys that say these things would never say it to my face because I am coming out there like a black Jack Reacher and will snatch their eyeball out of their mouth. Their keyboard. Tell you guys. How did their mouth? Yeah, snatch their eyeball out of their mouth. Out of their mouth?
00:40:31
Speaker
That's right. You reach in, you put your fist through their mouth. And then through the sinus? I'm trying to figure out. Through the sinus. You go in through the sinus. Yeah. You pluck it and you pull it down, down their throat, pull it through their throat and their fallopian tubes and pull out their mouth. No, those aren't there. You sure? No, I'm positive. Positive.
00:40:58
Speaker
that there are no fallopian tubes. Well, you know, I don't know. In the throat. In the throat. Yeah. All right. I am, yeah, pretty positive about that. But basically, you know, stand on manosphere. It's impacting young men because it's often, the manosphere is often blamed for the negativity shaping young men's attitudes towards gender equality and feminism. Gender equality, like,
00:41:27
Speaker
I made a mistake earlier when I said, you know, two genders, male and female. There's more than that. But for this purpose, we're talking in the gender binary because that's where they operate. That's where they operate. But yeah, they're coming.
00:41:45
Speaker
And there's this male separatism. The ideology of the manosphere is centered on male separatism. And some groups advocate for complete disengagement from women. Now, personally, that sounds to me that they just don't want women.
00:42:06
Speaker
A lot of it is that. A lot of it is they just hate women. But more than that, they hate themselves. No, that's not what I meant by that. That's not what I meant by that. Yeah, no. There was a question about that. Who was a jackass who died?
00:42:21
Speaker
But he was very popular. Wait a minute. Damn. Time out. You just said the jackass that died. Yeah. That's how you go phrase that. The man is dead. I'm assuming that the jackass is male. The man is dead. And you just going to call him, is he recently dead? Yeah. I mean, not recently. What was that man's day?
00:42:45
Speaker
Not Kevin Smith. You talking about Kevin Owen? No, not Kevin Owens. Keith Lee? No, not Keith Lee. Kevin, I know you're talking about Kevin Samuels.
00:42:55
Speaker
Kevin Samuels. Yeah, you talk about Kevin Samuels. Yeah, I think there was some recently though. Yeah, he did. Last year. Yeah. So anyway, there was some that I think he had a video or something that talking about that separatist stuff and there was a rumor that he may have been homosexual. But
00:43:23
Speaker
It's sort of like taking control of your own narrative. Say, for instance, there's something about you that people make fun of, right? You kind of preempt that by making jokes about it before they do. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm a separatist. No, women don't mess with you.
00:43:43
Speaker
But instead of taking ownership of that, you're just sad. You're ugly and corny, and women don't rock with you like that. Right. Because to them, the fact that women are not attracted to them is just what's wrong with society. And instead of self-reflection, saying, hey, maybe I should get a haircut.
00:44:09
Speaker
Maybe I should. Maybe I should. Well, if they can't grow no hair, what if they can't grow no hair? Well, maybe I should, you know, lather it up, put some shea butter on my head or something. Maybe I should get a new wardrobe. Maybe I should read a book.
00:44:26
Speaker
Maybe I'll go back to school or learn a trade or leave the current job I'm in and try something else or start a business or maybe I'll move out my mama basement and stop with the Twitter fingers and put my hands to use. There's a lady on TikTok and she was like, all these men with podcasts, when are one of y'all going to go build a house?
00:44:52
Speaker
Well, some of us don't have that type of ability, okay? But you want women to go back to those traditional roles. I don't, I personally don't, and I don't want to build a house. Yeah, that's true specifically, but it's like, okay, we'll go build a house then.
00:45:11
Speaker
go be a capital. I'm not Jesus, okay? But I don't question no more from women than what I'm willing to put in the situation. I don't expect them to follow certain gender roles. That's just me personally. Also,
00:45:33
Speaker
I'm an almost 44-year-old single male. So maybe I got it all wrong. Maybe I need to be in the manosphere.
00:45:42
Speaker
No, you don't. No, no, okay. Well, they ain't no women either, right? They want a complete separation from women. At least you date. A lot. They ain't getting no play. They ain't getting no play. But again, instead of that self-reflection, you have men who have deluded themselves, first of all, in the manosphere, who have deluded themselves into thinking that they're actually good men.
00:46:07
Speaker
You're not. I've seen the stuff you guys say online. You're not. You're not good men. If you were, you would get women, but you don't. Instead of that self-reflection, their turn in their ire, that hatred that they have for themselves, and they're projecting it onto, again, needing a definable enemy. And who better than women?
00:46:32
Speaker
That is also human nature. Human nature is first to deflect rather than reflect. That's why we see it. Which word is it? When you look inward. You reflect. Reflect, yeah, okay. Or you might be thinking of introspection. But that doesn't work with deflect.
00:46:54
Speaker
You're the linguist. I need help with these words. Instead of them reflecting. But that's why you see, again, the same behavior in all of these systems of oppression. It's the same behavior over and over. When you go and you look at the LGBTQ community and you see the treatment that trans people get from their own community of people,
00:47:16
Speaker
Right. Because everybody thinks the LGBTQ plus community is all kumbaya. No. No. They are not. No. They are not. There are some full turfs up in there. Like. Yes. Yeah. So. Be beef between people who are gay and people who are bisexual. Yeah. Be like real beef. And I was like, I don't understand this beef. I don't understand the beef because I'm an ally to the community, but I'm not in the community. Right.
00:47:45
Speaker
So I don't understand the beef, but it's not for me to understand. It's just like, hey, we got beef. I'm like, all right. Well, I mean, maybe we can all just get along. Maybe we all can just get along. But this kind of behavior, it's a tale as old as time. You see it over and over. How does one become a Nazi? How does one become a Klan member? How does one become, you know, like you see it
00:48:10
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, you see it over and over again, instead of seeking out healthy community and therapy, you have very lonely, very lost men who are being preyed upon and taken advantage of by opportunists. Ooh, opportunists. We gonna get to them next.
00:48:43
Speaker
So, we were talking about the manosphere. But who are these people that are in a manosphere that are major influencers? Well, we already talked about Andrew Tate. If you don't know who Andrew Tate is, he's a misogynist.
00:48:56
Speaker
Yeah, influencer. He's a former boxing champion. He was also arrested of suspicion and rape and sex, sex trafficking in 2022. I don't remember what's going on with that court case. But I knew when it happened, I was like, that sounds about right. It's still pending. Yeah, I mean, it's not like, listen, the only people who listen to what he says and doesn't immediately think trafficking human beings are people in the manosphere.
00:49:25
Speaker
But any other normal human being listening to Andrew Tate would be like, I feel like this guy is a criminal. Yeah. And there's something that came out recently where he was pitching something to kids. A lot of kids were signing up for it and paying for it. And it was a scam or something like that. He's a scam artist. He's a scammer. Yeah. But just to prove,
00:49:50
Speaker
just to prove in that binary definition of gender, male and females, that it's not all men that are in the manuscript. There's Pearl Davis. Yes, I can't stand this heifer. Now, I felt like when she started, I think she got progressively worse, but hold on. For people that don't know who Pearl Davis is, it's a woman who promotes many similar ideas to Tate's, including that women
00:50:16
Speaker
shouldn't vote. She has a podcast. I'm not promoting any of their podcasts. I'm not going to tell you what the name of the podcast is. Absolutely not. No, I'm not going to do that. But she's interesting because I remember discovering her on TikTok kind of when TikTok was first coming out.
00:50:34
Speaker
And some of the stuff that she was saying weren't extreme, right? She was just saying, she was basically saying a lot of stuff that we would say that men and women have to make sure, in the beginning, she would say men and women have to make sure that you date
00:50:52
Speaker
who it is that you're trying to fit in your life, meaning that if you want a partner and you want to go 50-50, then don't date a woman who wants to be a homemaker.
00:51:06
Speaker
Yeah. I say that all the time. Date people with similar value systems. Right. So she used the preset in the beginning and then slowly but surely, and I know how it happened, I can see the thirstiness in it because I almost sometimes fall victim to it, but you know I can't be bought. But you post something on Instagram or TikTok or YouTube and it gains traffic and you're like, oh, that feels good.
00:51:35
Speaker
I'm going to lean into that because I know it'll gain traffic. And she's a woman promoting these misogynistic values. So when most of the men hate women and say that we need to be separatists, they're going to choose her to be the champion because people always choose that one person in a group, Tim Scott, that will champion their cause.
00:52:01
Speaker
Right. White people love Tim Scott because he'll say the things that they say. But now it's a black person saying it. Oh, Tim Scott said the country isn't racist. So we were right all along. No, no, no, you were not. No, but but so so these men in the menace field will put their arm around Pearl because she's she's speaking where they deem is their truth.
00:52:28
Speaker
And then you got Myron Gaines. He wrote, Why Women Deserve Less, and argues that modern women are unfairly benefiting from feminism at men's expense. His hairline deserves less. And basically, it's all these people that are pushing these themes out. And they're getting rich. They're getting rich off of it. And you know what?
00:52:56
Speaker
I don't know if they believe exactly what they're saying. They don't. And I can tell even Kevin Samuels was not the extreme. He was actually a lot more moderate or, you know, talking about gender equality, but that wasn't getting him likes and clicks and views. And when he realized that he could capitalize on this incel culture,
00:53:26
Speaker
then that's when you see it checked. They are purely opportunists, purely opportunists. And Pearl is not an anomaly. The way that Roe v. Wade was able to be overturned, the way that Donald Trump got into office the first time and may possibly get into office a second time is not going to be just through men alone.
00:53:49
Speaker
There are women that are there supporting the same women who's made picnic baskets for the men going out for the lynching and who sold them damn Ku Klux Klan hoods, them same women, okay? They the same- Or were they at the lynching? Or were they at the lynching? And then also, let's be clear, I'm not just talking about white women because you can go down to any AME Zion Baptist Church and find a Ms. Pearl
00:54:18
Speaker
who was talking about the same bullshit that these guys are talking about. I remember when women were women. That's what they'll say. When you hear a woman say something like that,
00:54:41
Speaker
She right on the outside of that manosphere. The ones that are so critical, especially of young women. Oh, she fast. She that. And she might be fast, but so what? That's not your damn business. It's not your business. It's not your damn business. So none of these people are anomalies. Opportunists will always find a way to cash in on grievances.
Black History Month Discussion
00:55:06
Speaker
Donald Trump is an opportunist. He's doing this exact same thing. Most politicians are opportunists in that way, where they cash in on your grievances, the whole weapons of mass destruction. We even, we got into a damn war off a lie capitalizing off of people's grievances. It is an old playbook and it still works. And these people are rich. And the fact that
00:55:32
Speaker
Your hatred and your bias is so ingrained that you can't even see when you're being played. Played for filth is the saddest part of all of that. That your need for community and belonging and to have someone to blame for how shitty your life is has made you completely blind to the fact that you are being used and quite frankly abused.
00:56:03
Speaker
by these people who are making dollars. First of all, my opinion is free. So if they really- We give perspectives, but that ain't free. No, no, no, I mean- Donate and support the podcast. Oh, yeah, because my opinion ain't free. But an opinion is free, right? So if these are people who really care about men's rights, why are they charging you for it?
00:56:33
Speaker
Why are you going after children who have disposable income? If I remember correctly, Malcolm and Martin didn't charge.
00:56:47
Speaker
for their speeches on equality for men. Is it African American History Month or Black American History Month? I don't like the term African American. I like Black American. On that note, everybody.
00:57:05
Speaker
I'll just pass it with you. I'll just pass it with you. That card has been revoked. It is Black History Month. Some people call it African-American History Month.
00:57:19
Speaker
Some people do. Some people do. Some white people. Some white people I know. I will take Negro History Week before I will take African-American History Month. No, I had a white person come up to me and just like, it's African-American History Month. I was like, it's Black History Month. Yeah. It's Black History Month. Isn't African-American better? I was like, I personally don't like term African-American because there are some people who are African-American who are white.
00:57:46
Speaker
Because they're African-American. Charlie Thaison is the prime example. She's African-American. Well, I don't know who Charlie Thaison is, but Charlize Theron, I do know. And that. Look, you know who I'm going to mess up a name or two.
Dating Scenario and Respectful Behavior
00:58:02
Speaker
Charlize Theron, you know her real name is Charlie Thaison. It's just that it's not that I don't like the term African-American. It's just that it's not accurate. It's not accurate.
00:58:14
Speaker
you know, because there are Africans who are American, you know, they've immigrated from Africa. They are African American. Well, it is. We can both agree is better than Afro American, which is something that black people were called in this country at one time. We call ourselves that. Did we? Are you sure? We called ourselves that we didn't want to be colored anymore. Okay. Yeah. So we did buy a hairstyle, even though there are white people that have Afros, but okay.
00:58:44
Speaker
I don't know that Afro-American is really connected to the Afro hairstyle. Actually, I'll have to look that up, because I don't know that. You look there, but that's something that we look up in Black History Month. But just so everybody knows that we're not bashing men.
00:59:02
Speaker
all show because we're getting close to the end here. You sent me something that actually offended me that you thought that I would think a certain way about it. So we don't have the video. So I give us an synopsis of the video. There are two people on the date. Was it a dating show?
00:59:20
Speaker
I believe it was a dating show, yes. Okay, there's two, a black male and a black female on a date. And they're doing, you know, what you do on a first date, ask a bunch of questions. Yeah. And as he's asking- So he was doing like a rapid fire type of 20 questions type of thing. So he would say black or white, you know, up or down, you know, spring or fall, beach or mountains, you know, like- Michael O'Prince, Michael O'Prince. Like these were the questions that he was asking. And in the middle of those questions, he asked,
00:59:49
Speaker
choked or spanked. She was offended that he would put a sexual context into questions and said, basically, look, you know, that was a sexual comment. I'm not comfortable with that. If you would like to continue on with this date, we can continue on with this date, but we're not going to go down that direction. Right.
01:00:19
Speaker
and he proceeded to gaslight her and say, that's not a sexual question. She was like, how is that not a sexual question? And I'm trying to figure out how that is in the sexual question. Cause that's a sexual question. Well, and it wasn't even like he said it like that. It was more like, I didn't mean it in that way or you didn't, you didn't give me the respect of asking me whether I meant it in a sexual way. Right. That's what he said. And she was just like, I think any human being who heard that,
01:00:49
Speaker
would say, which is a perfect thing to say to a gas lighter of like, actually anybody with common sense, right? Who would hear that and immediately know that it does have a sexual connotation. And all she simply said was, that's not something I'm comfortable with asking. He doubled down on, I asked you something, you know, how do you feel about that? And she was like,
01:01:15
Speaker
I'm not comfortable with it. But if you want to continue this date, you know, just drop it. We'll just move on. And he tripled down. Yes, he tripled down. And she walked out.
01:01:26
Speaker
She walked out. So you sent this video to me and you were like, what do you think? And I was like, what do you mean what I think? I think that she was right. That was great. I applaud the sister for walking out on a date. And you were so happy. I was like, damn it, Jay. Like, who do you think I am to think that I would be on his side? Now, old Bruce. Old Bruce wouldn't have even been on his side.
01:01:50
Speaker
old Bruce would have been like, she didn't have to get up and walk out like that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, even because when she said a you was ill for what you just said, but I'm gonna continue on with this. Let's just move past it. I would have been like, okay, cool. If she had
01:02:09
Speaker
I fact of the matter is like, I knew I would have been wrong if I had said something like that. So I wouldn't have been upset if she had bounced. No, there was no part of Bruce's life where Bruce went and I hate referring to myself as a third person. But there's no part of my life where I would have been like, this is cool. What I was most impressed about is that I said, okay, because I always like to gauge things by going into comments.
01:02:29
Speaker
So I went into the comments and I was like, I know what women's position is going to be. Let me hear what some of the men were saying and all the men were saying the exact same thing. It's kind of easy because this was absolutely egregious what this man was doing, but it was still the fact that even though we talk about the Manosphere and there's a lot of people in Gen Z
01:02:51
Speaker
and millennials and Gen X, and this is really a boomer thing, that have these type of thoughts. There are a lot of men out there that don't have these type of thoughts as well. So I was really, really, that's what I was most pleased about. I was happy about, I was as happy about that as you were about my comment, even though when you were so happy about that, my comment, I was actually offended that you were so happy.
01:03:18
Speaker
I was not actually happy. I honestly just wanted your thoughts on what you saw. I just wanted your thoughts. And I thought it might be something interesting for the show. Well, it would have been better if there was... If she wasn't...
01:03:37
Speaker
If there was some wiggle room in between what he said and her actions, but there weren't, these were clear cut. Yeah. He knew what he was doing. He knew what he was saying. She set a boundary. She said, let's continue on. Not only did she not get up and walk out, she gave this young brother another chance.
01:03:59
Speaker
when she didn't have to, because it was disrespectful from the jump, but she took that and was like, hey, I'm gonna give you, I would date this young lady. She wasn't really my type, but I would date this young lady just because she'd give a brother a second chance, because I'm gonna mess up two, three, four times. Yeah, and I think that was, I think that was fair, honestly. That was a real mature way of handling. Yeah, because I don't know that I would have, especially- You definitely wouldn't have.
01:04:24
Speaker
Well, if he would have asked a question, and I would have said, I'm not comfortable with asking, you know, with answering that, and then would have come back with the, so how'd you feel about that? And I, well, I said what I said, I'm not comfortable with
01:04:40
Speaker
Jay, I know you. But I would have said, can we move on? I don't know. I mean, can we stop talking about it and move on? Or I probably would have had the same reaction. Can we move on? And if you can't move on, then that lets me know.
Conclusion on Gender Equality and Masculinity
01:04:56
Speaker
If you will do this first meeting me first, you ain't even putting your good foot forward. You're immediately gaslighting me. Yeah. OK, it ain't gonna get no better.
01:05:07
Speaker
No, but I'm gonna go ahead and cut my losses. Don't take this mic off. I'm hopping to Uber and I'm going up because she showed enough dead. Yeah. All right, Jay, that's going to go ahead and wrap it up for today. What do you want to tell the people out there? You know, you said something in it and it's very true. There are men
01:05:30
Speaker
with their stuff together who are not in this manosphere and who support and love the women in their lives and who know that we are not living in a zero sum world where women getting equality or equity
01:05:50
Speaker
in society is not gonna take away from anybody else, right? There's more than enough for us to share. Y'all never shared before. It was more than enough. Like, there are definitely men out there like that. Those men are who are gonna be pivotal for combating the men in the atmosphere.
01:06:20
Speaker
It's not going to be women. They don't see us as human beings. They're not going to listen to us. The reason why the Civil Rights Movement was successful is because Dr. King knew they weren't going to listen, but if they saw it,
01:06:43
Speaker
they saw the injustice, they saw the hoses and the dogs and the beating and all of it, then they couldn't help but feel some type of way about it. So I am not comfortable putting women in a position where they got to put their bodies on the line in order to get someone to care. And I honestly don't think that it'll work because our bodies are, um,
01:07:11
Speaker
essentially the playground for which they exert their political power. It's not like us putting our bodies on the line is going to move the needle at all. It is going to take other men holding men accountable.
01:07:30
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is gonna take other men saying, hey, young brother. Listen here. You got to treat a woman right. Like, where are those uncles at? You got to treat your woman right. You got to take your ass home. Go on, take your ass home. Like, you know, where is that old uncle? Where is he at? Because Gen Z is in dire need of that old uncle.
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That is perpetually single, but it does have... Well, let me be that old uncle. You got to treat him right. Treat him like you want to be treated. You got to treat him right. You got to treat him right. All right, Jay. I couldn't say it any better than that. I want to thank everybody for listening. Thank everybody for watching. And until next time, as always, a holla.
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