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The Docherty-Day Double Doozy! Should we be Hunt-ing Dawson, Daicos, Stewart, or someone else? A Gather Round Twitter Spaces Sesh! | Round 4 AFL Fantasy #PODPOD LIVE
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Recorded live on Tuesday night April 11, Holmesy, Harmey, Stato, and Lewy break down all the round 4 AFL Fantasy action LIVE on Twitter Spaces (@podpodAFL) following the fallout of Sam Docherty being ruled out for 4-6 weeks and Will Day’s two-week ban (which the Hawks have since challenged).
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Transcript
Introduction and Event Purpose
00:00:02
Speaker
you
00:00:18
Speaker
Welcome to our Twitter Spaces tonight. Unfortunately, with having five of us podcasters in five different states, we finally found a time that we can't all record. We thought we'd jump on a Twitter Spaces tonight and probably a pretty good day to do it after the bullets that we've heard today. We'll give a little bit of a round review, but then we'll just get stuck straight into the hot topics from this week.
Weekend Performance Reviews
00:00:42
Speaker
Stado, considering you're the only one on the plot at the moment that has any credibility whatsoever, why don't you give everyone a bit of a review of how you went on the weekend? Yeah, well I made a point of shoring up my defence. Obviously as the round started we saw Wilmot struggle and really most of us only had Cowan left so we had to take the punt.
00:01:08
Speaker
to put Cowan on the field. I used a trade and showed up the defence to get a bit of more scoring power, which I did, which was good. So I recorded a 2085. Did have wit, so had a bit of an issue to deal with there, but talking about a sugar hit, brought in Tim English, so I knew about it early enough to make that move, obviously.
00:01:36
Speaker
Grundy was another choice but it just meant you had another ruck trade in the space of three or four weeks so got a good score this week and seeing I was already in the the top thousand it just moved me up the ranks a bit I'm at 469 so only 400 of being a nice rank so reasonably happy so can't complain but obviously I
00:02:06
Speaker
have Doc who I never wanted to start with and actually in the draft doctor's draft kit he was my burner of the year and surprise surprise he's Birmingham and also have Will Day so no doubt because of my ranking having Will Day one of those mid prices that was so important to us early
00:02:32
Speaker
no surprise there so two out already but I did have eight playing in defence so probably a bit better than others so I didn't have a red dot sitting there didn't have a chest there's quite a few others Bergman etc there so hopefully no more outs other than the two and I should have a little bit of advantage because I think some people will be really struggling in defence this week.
Player Performances and Strategic Picks
00:03:02
Speaker
Yeah, we'll get on to the real guy and the deputy. We'll see you a little bit later, but let's give it to you quick. Lux and socks from the weekend. Well, Lux.
00:03:13
Speaker
He's got to be Tim English but he wasn't planned to be in my team but 145. The worst thing is I had to do the same thing in Supercoach. I had wits there and as my captain in Supercoach but brought in Tim English there and put the sea automatically on him in Supercoach. I should have done the same
00:03:34
Speaker
in AFL fantasy put it on Toronto but Lucks was a bit of a force and Sucks, probably the man that's left us all burning is Sam Dockney. Yeah, must have had a pretty good week. Dock was your worst but yeah fair enough. Hami, why don't you give us a bit of a review from your week.
00:03:59
Speaker
Yeah, will do, mate. Look, I didn't have a too bad weekend. I was actually quite close to the Fosse there. I put up a score of 2,072. So I had sort of had a few wins along the way, but yeah.
00:04:18
Speaker
We're sort of now focusing on the defensive issues that we've got. I was actually keen to- Hami, Hami, are you a member of the Hunt Plan? Well, if you just hold fire until I get to my lucks of the week, mate, you'll find out that two weeks in a row for me with Jaden Hunter's the lucks.
00:04:37
Speaker
95 points for someone in that price range was just something special and I watched him play super impressed with his mark kick count there so yeah that was pretty that was pretty good to see but jeez I had a few that I could put in the sucks category but where do I go
00:04:58
Speaker
I might just throw it to Lockie Cow and freeze 42 because I needed something good and he didn't really come through. We sort of struggled a bit and I think that's going to add to the pressure we've got this week. Yes, still a very decent score
Fantasy Game Decisions and Emotional Impact
00:05:13
Speaker
there, honey. Where does that leave you ranked now?
00:05:16
Speaker
Yeah, I came in. So I was about 15,500 to start the round and came into 8,400. So yeah, still sort of climbing. I'm still finding my way back from starting off slowly with the injuries, but now I've got a couple more. So it's a bit hard because you don't feel like you're making progress, but with all the sideways trades we've had early on.
00:05:40
Speaker
I think 8,000 is a very good spot to be in from the start that you had so good to see you climbing up the ranks.
00:05:47
Speaker
I had a 2015 this week and I still managed to climb up the ranks a little bit and I told myself I'd be positive, just making sure I improve every week. So happy to improve about 4,500 spots to come into about 16.7. But when I get to my sucks pick, you realize that it could have been a lot higher and I could have climbed a lot more than what I did.
00:06:13
Speaker
My luck's pick for the week, and you boys already know all about this, but my little Easter miracle on Saturday night, so like Stado, I decided to shore up my defence a little bit and do a bit of a restructure, and that ended up me bringing in Brad Crouch. And not only did I bring in Brad Crouch, I had the captaincy on him.
00:06:34
Speaker
And he was on 23 at halftime. And I don't think I'd ever felt as sick as I had watching a game of football. I was finding ways to quit the pod. I was finding ways to delete my team. And then he comes out with a 102 point second half and ends up on 125. So that was my little Eastern miracle and probably the reason I am here today. But unfortunately, my sucks has to be James Sicily for his 49.
00:07:04
Speaker
Not something I saw coming. A corresponding game last year. I think he went 1.18. He was on 31 at quarter time and looked like he was just on his merry way to another ton. He then proceeded to score 18 points for the rest of the game. So, could have been a lot bigger. I'm still happy that I climbed up the ranks but still a little bit negative to finish in that way.
00:07:28
Speaker
Yeah, I was just going to say, watching that game, it just sort of seemed like he had to lock down. And I guess we'll talk about some of these defenders given today's events, but that is the risk, isn't it? Like you pick a player that's predominantly a key position player, like he plays centre half back most of the time, and that's the risk.
00:07:50
Speaker
Can I just say for the listener, there's a lesson here for all of us. And Holmes, he had a dreadful night. And I will say I had a dreadful day. And poor old Hammy's seen the best and the worst of all of us. Because my captain was Taranto when he was five a quarter time. It's fair to say,
00:08:17
Speaker
My attitude wasn't as positive as it normally is and Holmesy when Brad Crouch is a new recruit and I'm just looking at our messages Holmesy and it's fair to say I was feeling pretty shit because you sent me a message Crouch took or jelly.
00:08:39
Speaker
And I went, crouch, mate. Love him, and so does Ross the boss, which was something that I shared to the draft doctors as well. And you did respond, that's where I was thinking too. Now, at 23 and a half time, it's fair to say, you're not a happy camper, homie. You want to share your true feelings with a listener? I'm not even kidding. I was finding
Lessons on Handling Game Anxiety
00:09:06
Speaker
ways to quit the pod.
00:09:10
Speaker
He had had 61% time on ground. I had Hami come into the group chat telling me that he's been out of the CBAs. You're telling me that he looks sick and often I was worried and then I didn't watch the second half. I couldn't bring myself to do it but I flipped onto the scores just after halftime and he'd already put I think 10 or 12 points on in about 40 seconds and I thought oh here we go.
00:09:33
Speaker
Hopefully we can get something salvageable here and far out, 102 points in that second half. I was back, so you're right. There is a lesson here and that's probably not to check the scores throughout the game and just have a look at the end, but we all know that that's not going to happen because we are very, very addicted.
00:09:52
Speaker
Good, good. I don't know if you've heard the story but Cal was in a bit of a mess with wits on his ground and a few other complications on his field and and warning come to his savior and felt like you know looking after my mates.
00:10:11
Speaker
and I felt the absolute opposite being the person that reinforced the crouch move for you. So I felt like I was negative warning during that first half, but I must admit all's well that ends well to ramp over the 114 and crouch with 125. So we got through.
00:10:37
Speaker
Yeah, I'm the one that presses the button, so you don't have to feel bad about it. It was just, I suppose, the salt in the wood was that it was really him or Took that I was really looking at and Took had the big first half and Crouch was nowhere. So that's why it was stinging a little bit more. But anyway, we'll move on. Let's get stuck into, I suppose, the real hot topic for this round. And that's the fact that we've got... Hold on. Holmes, are you just one thing before you move on?
00:11:01
Speaker
Just I think we'll have Louis joining us at some point, but I just thought I'd give a
Strategic Challenges with Player Trades
00:11:06
Speaker
quick recap of the scores from the guys. So Louis put up a 1-9-5-8 and Dossie pipped him by one point with a 1-9-5-9. And Dossie sent me a message before he said his sucks of the week was Tom Cole with 46. So he's really turned around on the Tommy Cole pick at the moment.
00:11:28
Speaker
He's keeping Toby cold for about the next six weeks after what's happened, because he does definitely have Docherty and Will Day, just look at his team now. He has Bergman, and he has Ginby, who might be in for a rest this week. So potentially four out, maybe five for Willmont. So he's in a bit of struggle. So Lockie Cash,
00:11:54
Speaker
Cowan is on his field for the next three or four weeks and so is Tommy Cole. I tell you what, we should go back to that round one soundbite and just get a listen to what Dawson said. The amount of shit that I copped for the Jaden Hunt pick round one and the difference between him and Tom Cole, boy that's turned around hasn't it?
00:12:15
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And can I say that how bad I was feeling on Sunday watching Hunt do that, thinking I could have gone Warpool to Hunt and had about 300K in the bank for this week? None. I have the same feeling watching Darcy McPherson the other night knowing that you traded him in.
00:12:39
Speaker
Yeah he did all right but when he thinks that the hunt was about another 150k cheaper and got another 10 points. But I will say McPherson's got a pretty good match up to the next two weeks. Yeah looking like a good fit. The back line to make sure that
00:13:06
Speaker
you can handle the carnage this week was a good play. So let's get into that. So as a docketty and a will day, I know I'll get your thoughts after as well, honey, but I know you're not a will day owner at the minute. What are you planning to do, Stata? Where should coaches be looking to go?
00:13:25
Speaker
Yeah look I'm in debate at the moment because the sensible choice is to go Tom Stewart because you're talking a potential top six defender. Now I'm questionable on Tom Stewart at the best of times because I don't think he's played a full season in five years and he's already missed one this year.
00:13:47
Speaker
But you're talking a primo that's dropped $100,000 and it's due to an injury. It's not due to bad form or match ups or anything. So that makes sense to me. Then I look at Dawson and go, well, his move in the midfield is just magnificent. He looked brilliant on the week. But I'm staring at trying to find those options are going to break open the game.
00:14:16
Speaker
and the winning options. And I'm sitting in the top 500. I feel like there's a balance of trying to play safe and there's a balance of trying to take the game on and just get that extra little bit of advantage. So I'm debating. I know the smart move is Tom Stewart, but I've just got that feeling he's a trap.
00:14:44
Speaker
You got me now boys. Yeah, do you Louie? Yep. It was better without you Louie. I'm sure it was. You don't need a coach in 20,000 ranks to be giving advice to you. No, not at all. We all have bad luck sometimes, mate. Yeah, that's what we'll put it down to. What have I missed? Talking about the Sam Docherty will day news. Now, you don't have will day, do you Louie?
00:15:14
Speaker
No, I don't. So a bit of a blessing in disguise there. It looks like, well, he's obviously got the two weeks now. Do we think that Hawthorne challenge it? Oh, absolutely. 100% they challenge him, mate. And I'll tell you what, it felt like you were a non-owner when you saw the tackle.
00:15:33
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. As soon as I saw his head hit the floor, I was on the phone to Michael Christian, just letting him know that that's probably at least a waste, I think. I will say that I did see a tackle that he did earlier in the game and thought, oh, he needs to be careful with that. But I also don't feel like that tackle was a two-weaker.
00:16:00
Speaker
So I think it's a final one and it's interesting that the grades between the two from the game are different because if anything I think the day one is lesser.
00:16:16
Speaker
Yeah, I agree with that. I did see that tackle early on. I actually messaged Holmsey and I said the same thing that you might want to watch out with those sling tackles a bit. You did a few in that game. It's definitely unfortunate for owners, but as we always like to say, Crysis creates opportunity. It's just unfortunate that we're copying this Sam Doherty injury at the same time, but the upside of that is he does have quite a bit of cash on his head, so we can get creative with our trades with him.
00:16:44
Speaker
Yeah, and I will say, Holmes, because you actually asked the question with what should we do. I'm actually keeping day. So I think he's a game breaker. I think a whole heap are going to go off. I've already shored up my defence. So I'm not going to lose out week one. I might lose out a little bit week two.
00:17:09
Speaker
um but week three i've got a top six defender rolling on the field while i'm doing my third week of upgrades gee that's that's interesting stato holding a premium for two weeks playing a rookie an extra rookie on field for two weeks um you wouldn't want to trade him out well i did i didn't have a
00:17:30
Speaker
I only had the one rookie there so I'm actually down to five. So I'm feeling pretty comfortable that I can match up and where everyone else is. I'm already in a good position that I can just take that leg forward on the third week but I will say I think they challenge and worst case scenario they get it down to one.
00:17:54
Speaker
yeah so what camp do you boys obviously i know the camp you're sitting in stato but if will day does just miss the week hammy and holmsey are you looking at moving him on or are you going to hold yeah yeah i am for my position being ranked 15k or whatever i am you just got to keep being aggressive to try and make your way back up and
00:18:13
Speaker
Stado's right is a game breaker. I think he's going to be very close to a top six defender in the form that he's in. So he'll definitely be someone I try and get back straight away. And if there's carnage, that might not happen, but I'm willing to take that risk. But yeah, I'm not looking to hold him at this stage, whether it's one or two weeks army.
00:18:30
Speaker
Yeah, if he's only going to miss one week, then I think I'm going to hold at this point in time because, yeah, I've got both docketty and day. So if we do trade, it just limits our opportunity to improve the team overall. So if it's two weeks,
00:18:49
Speaker
I will probably trade, but if it's one, I'm willing to hold I think at this point. So yeah, I mean, it was interesting over the course of the day because I saw a docketty out earlier in the day and I was coming up with some sort of trying to come up with some neat ways of improving my team whilst trading him out. But then we'd die out as well. It sort of really limits that because anyway, we'll talk through some trade options, I suppose, but yeah, if it's one, I'll probably hold.
00:19:18
Speaker
It is an awkward sideways one coming into week four, week five now, where the upgrade cycle should be beginning.
Impact of Injuries on Fantasy Strategies
00:19:25
Speaker
And suddenly a lot of coaches find themselves having to go sideways on a Sam Docketty and potentially a Will Day. So it's definitely going to cause some headaches. Obviously you got to trade Sam Docketty, but I think there'll be some interesting things on Will Day. What will be interesting though is, who do you see get an uptick from this?
00:19:46
Speaker
Yeah, Whoopo! He gets more time to stuff it up in the center. Yeah, absolutely. I think, yeah, Whoopo is probably one that's still on the trade-out list, but he should get a bump in CBAs, as we saw in round one, prior to Will Day, sort of taking the lion's share in there. And for Sam Docherty there, I've been a few little members on Twitter. I've read that even that Chin Cotter guy could get a go, who's a basement rookie for us. We might not be up on this week, but
00:20:16
Speaker
that's probably for the best we can see how he's scoring sort of transpires and and hop on and at least we get a look and see whether or not he's going to be the sub. What do you guys reckon about the Carlton backline? So is there anybody that legitimately does get a bump? So like one of the players that I wrote down
00:20:35
Speaker
is Nick Newman. Don't say Lewis. Nick Newman. Don't say Lewis. Because if he plays more of a key role, we know the guy's got a ceiling he can score well enough. Yeah, I just thought he was an interesting one. And McGovern too, there's a chance that he will miss because he went off like in the first quarter, I think went down to the rooms getting his hamstring looked at, they strapped it up and came back on. So there's no guarantee that he's going to play this week either.
00:21:03
Speaker
No, spot on. But the interesting part is Newman's been playing key roles for him. So he spent time on Dusty, trying to think the week before, but so he's trying to do sort of the lockdown role. The week before he scored 116, so he can't have been locking down too much.
00:21:26
Speaker
Yeah, just have a look though on the matchup. So when there's been a dangerous, sizable mid-size forward, like a Dusty, he's been matching up with them. I think that your boy Chara is just going to slide back maybe into a half-back row with Walsh, Kennedy and Akers coming back in, Stado?
00:21:53
Speaker
Yeah, if those midfielders do, then you've got someone that's played really good defence before. So yeah, that's a chance. Are we comfortable fielding Cowan this week with no dog?
00:22:07
Speaker
Hell no. Well, he plays first game. He's got the loop, doesn't he? I don't think I got a choice at this point in time. Yeah, I don't know. If I hold real day, then he's probably going to be playing. If you are someone that doesn't have much cash in the bank, then you probably are.
00:22:34
Speaker
potentially better off holding Will Day because there's not really anyone around his price range other than a Tom Stewart maybe that you would be comfortable going sideways too. But if you're someone that's got a little bit of cash in the bank, like myself, would you recommend going maybe a docketty down to a Dawson or a day cost that you've missed and then really using the opportunity to go Will Day sideways to one of those Uber premiums in the low 900 range and really getting aggressive?
Evaluating Trade Targets and Strategies
00:23:02
Speaker
Yeah, so this is where I've got to with it. And I think that this is being influenced by the lack of potential rookies coming through. So trying to think of ways that we can make money. So this is why I'm probably a touch reluctant to just jump to the top guys like Sicily, who's got to break even of 136.
00:23:27
Speaker
and having a look at people that I think potentially are going to make money, the period that we have them, even though they're possibly not going to be top six defenders at the end of the season. So maybe I'll give you a couple of examples of people are looked at today. Sorry. And while you're looking,
00:23:49
Speaker
There is an opportunity for people to ask questions. There are a couple here that are asking about that fence. So we'll move on to them after you look at your options. Okay. So yeah, look, I don't mind Dawson because of that role. And I sort of mentioned before about Cicely locking down. Well, there's a bit of a risk with Stuart too. So
00:24:09
Speaker
If Dawson's playing more midfield, it's probably not a bad thing looking at the way he went about it the other day. But I'm more talking about people like Daniel Rioli, potentially Liam Baker, if I want to go down and make money and even save some for an upgrade next week, maybe Nick Haynes.
00:24:30
Speaker
I've mentioned Nick Newman before, Darcy McPherson, possibly, but may have missed the boat state. It's probably got on him at a good time. I guess they're the sort of people, I mean, I'll use Dan Rioli. He's probably a good example. He's somebody that's scoring, well, up there with the best of the defenders at the moment.
00:24:52
Speaker
Averaging high 90s I think for memory or just just below 100 He's not priced at that. He's priced at 90 and he's got a break even a 77 So he's the sort of guy that I don't think you're really going to lose out on If he can keep the rail then short Short doesn't come back in and influence what he's doing on the field
00:25:15
Speaker
Would you really want to burn a trade to go to one of those players now when next week we have, you know, a potential Locky Whitfield that's going to have defensive status, Shaisil is going to be able to swing back there when you need him to, Zebul is going to be able to swing back there when you need him to. Do you really want to muck around with one of these players?
00:25:35
Speaker
It's a shame, isn't it, that this wasn't next week with those guys being able to be moved around. But look, I'm not sure. I actually adopted this last week with my trades because I couldn't sort of go one down, one up. So I think you said earlier that I didn't have Will Day. Well, I actually only brought in Will Day
00:25:54
Speaker
last week but I'm still like over the one week I've still made 50,000 off him if I choose to trade him out now so I did the same with Cozy Pickett and I made about 50,000 off him too so I guess I'm generating cash even if they're not long-term prospects
00:26:14
Speaker
So we might go to the questions, boys, because there's a couple of names that pop up and a couple that I'm interested to see Holmes using Louis thoughts on. So the first one was thoughts on Trent Rivers. So that's from Liam.
00:26:31
Speaker
So Liam, he was one that I actually looked at. So Trent Rivers is a player who got a bit of CBAs, has looked really good in his role and has a massive scoring in his junior days. He is a true ball magnet. So I got a ton this week. He's at 594. So I'm looking that you can bank
00:27:00
Speaker
some really good coin, just over 300k from Docherty. So I'm actually looking at him. So thoughts are quite positive, Liam, because he's got a low breakeven, got a really good roll and a really good run coming. Jack question, which I want to throw to Louis and Holmsey, which is, I don't have day costs. Should I go straight to him or take on the comp and go a pod?
00:27:30
Speaker
So what's your thoughts, Louis, first? Yeah, mate, my thoughts on Nick Day. Obviously, this bloke has started the season just unbelievably. 114, 117, 100 and 126. But in these games, he's absolutely brain dead. He's been best on ground just about every single week.
00:27:50
Speaker
We keep hearing about attention coming, never really comes by that second quarter versus the Lions. Right now, I still think he's overachieving though. So with his ownership at about 40%, it might be even more than that at this point.
00:28:06
Speaker
I'm more inclined to try and find the next guy. I do think Nick Dacos is going to be a top six defender, but I do think he's quite fairly priced now, maybe a little bit unders, but I'm more in favour of trying to get the run on the next guy rather than go and chase the points of a Nick Dacos who's absolutely braindered to start the season from that 769k price tag.
00:28:30
Speaker
such an interesting one and in hindsight he was probably one of the easiest picks in the preseason that a lot of us have missed even though he is very highly owned. I've been absolutely convinced that this tag is going to come and that teams are going to lock down on him and it just hasn't happened. It's been burning me week or week or week and I think it's one of those weeks at the moment where
00:28:54
Speaker
You either need a dump out of your plate and get a dump or you need to be confident not working in for the drive because it comes up against thank you to the plate and if the tag comes in after days but if the tag doesn't come and they're the 150 on the card. So they've been giving up massive points.
00:29:10
Speaker
and he'll be low 900s mid 900s and then it's pretty much game over you're not going to be able to get him so it's for me it's either docked to day cost this week and just know that you know maybe your wind hager tag comes but just knowing that if the tag doesn't come then you're onto a real winner would you agree?
00:29:29
Speaker
Yeah, look, it's an interesting one. I've been on him since day one, loving it. I think you both need to get on. If Sicily can come out with a 49, then of course day costs can have a bad day if he gets attention.
00:29:46
Speaker
But at the end of the day, I've... observable first is what our leader says all the time. Now, this is one thing Dossie's actually got right. This boy's got it. And yes, they're going to be some down days, but he's the top sixer. He's underneath what he's going to score.
00:30:07
Speaker
you've got to jump on now otherwise you'll miss the boat and you'll regret it and just homesy your sound isn't the greatest mate so i don't know whether you've got a headset on or something like that but um just have a little uh play with that get the sound better we'll go to the next question sorry mate i'll just i'll just butt in there mate so um
00:30:29
Speaker
On Nick Dacos, if coaches are going from a docketty down to a Nick Dacos, what are they doing on the other end? Is it just a rookie fix up? What's the price difference? $50,000. It's about $50,000. So you can't do much on the other end. Is it really only $50,000? The reality is, yeah, you've got to think about what else you need to fix up.
Audience Q&A on Fantasy Strategies
00:30:55
Speaker
But this is where you can probably, I think around that,
00:30:59
Speaker
that mark and hopefully you haven't got zero in the bank but that can get you from a a jimby if he's not playing this week and he's rested to a hunt. So if you can get a day cost and a hunt from two red dots then that's a win.
00:31:21
Speaker
Yeah and I think if you're looking at three red docks once team sheets drop on Thursday then it does become a super valid trade where you are getting that. It is a bit sideways going docketty to Dacos but you are going to have to fix up your rookies at some point and it's not a bad opportunity to do so whether that's a Cheser, a Davey, everybody's got that non-playing R32 which could become a Samson Ryan for example too.