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Somebody please, PLEASE take the Ireland job
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Waiting for a manager like... 🤦♂️ The Republic of Ireland's search drags on, Michael Beale's exit at Sunderland adds to the drama! 😱 Plus, imagine if City Football Group swooped in for a League of Ireland club! 😳 Tune in as we dissect the chaos on the pitch and in the boardrooms! 🎙️
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Introduction to Nauta Pundit Podcast
00:00:00
Speaker
I'm not into podcasts. Hello, I am Killian and I am with Connor and Nate as always because this is the Nauta Pundit Podcast. Hold your applause, lads.
Irish Football Management Embarrassment
00:00:23
Speaker
How are we doing, first and foremost, but is anybody else as embarrassed to be Irish today? I mean, I hope you just mean in regard to the art of manager, because I mean, we're slaying it at the BAFTAs, so we're strong on that front. But yeah, no, it's an absolute dumpster fire. I don't know about you, Nate, but it's getting
00:00:48
Speaker
Jesus, I wouldn't be surprised if one of us gets a call from the FAI by the end of tomorrow.
00:00:57
Speaker
Half the need like that that organization needs to be wiped out Like the incompetence is crazy. Well, it's just like everyone we're associated with Like okay cars Lee we were aiming too high.
FAI Criticism and Managerial Speculation
00:01:10
Speaker
I think we're all in agreement, right? But it's too cheap can't afford it. Yeah, like aiming too high for the resources that we have and Outside of that like I mean Neil Lennon
00:01:23
Speaker
I don't know what went on there, but apparently he's been told he's not getting it. I don't know if you guys have background on that. I don't, I haven't heard anything. I'd say I did a spoke to them and they're like, Oh, yeah.
00:01:32
Speaker
Then the Coleman yesterday had been approached and then today it's over. And it's like, I think though, for those who are listening who haven't heard his interview, we might probably share it on socials after this for context, but he just kind of basically said it's an embarrassment as to the point that it's at. And to be honest with you, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a call pretty soon. Well, I think they're panicking now. I think that's exactly what's happening. That's why you're getting the,
00:01:58
Speaker
one report one day and the next report the other day like they're they're in full panic mode now but like there's no there's no contain in the message that was in like we shouldn't even know who they're talking to you know but that's always gonna happen like this is a word of football
Lee Carsley's Interest in Irish Managerial Role
00:02:12
Speaker
But that was where I think, actually, the FAI aren't getting the credit, which is where does random links come out of is from a vacuum of knowledge. So people don't know what's going on, so they're wildly speculative. It's only after coming out, apparently, that they were speaking to Anthony Hudson, former New Zealand manager. And I would take that as a good indication that they're searching far and wide. And we've seen it with how many managerial appointments over the years were
00:02:41
Speaker
or everybody thinks it's going to be this guy and it's going to be that guy and it's going to be this guy and then suddenly it's completely something else and it just turns out it was just a load of journalists or a load of insiders and inverted comments kind of going oh well i heard this name being mentioned that would make sense run with it like the fact that there hasn't been a real name other than carsly i think says that they're playing their cards
00:03:06
Speaker
close, more closely to their chests than is giving credit. But it also kind of looks like they've put all their eggs in the cars in the basket. The egg head himself. And that's not working for them. So we are in a very, very kind of like. But there's also there's not people putting their hands up like there's no one like apart from when Gus Poyette did it, which was weird when he did it. But like no one's going like I want that job. It's like it seems like
00:03:37
Speaker
OK, I get it. It's not an easy job. The whole having to move to Ireland thing, I think, isn't helping things at all. But the other thing about it is if you were to put your name into the hat and go, I want that job. Well, then the financial negotiation power. Yeah, you're done. Yeah. I also think I'm on the opposite side of what I think is happening.
Carsley's Career Risks and Opportunities
00:03:56
Speaker
I think it's a shit show behind the scenes. I think they're desperately panicking.
00:04:01
Speaker
And I think the leaks are just the head people at the FAI going, listen, we're going to give you some information here so you don't... Or it's all these other names coming out just to try and scare Karsley. Can I go and listen? I don't think Karsley has any interest. Apparently the only thing I've seen people agree on is that Karsley wants it. He wants his team with him, he wants it to be his way.
00:04:31
Speaker
But like, are they going like, oh, well, look, we can go get Coleman. Do you know what? No, maybe we won't get Coleman. Could it go for Lennon? And it carries me in the background and kind of went, well, actually, do I really want the job? Well, then do I have to make some concessions to help? I just don't see what's in it for Carsley. Like, I know, like, everyone, as Shay Givin and all the ex-pros are saying, like, yeah, like you said, he does want it. But I don't understand the why, apart from having played for Ireland and being an Irishman and, you know, that side of things.
00:05:02
Speaker
It's a gamble. He's in a very good position. He's turned down clubs in the UK before. I don't see the motivation to do it now. He can take that job in 15 years if he wants it. Yeah, but he is also a gamble.
00:05:15
Speaker
Yeah, that is true. He doesn't have the experience in the men's game, which I think is why, other than Birmingham, which is where he was an assistant and a long-term player, he's not linked with that many men's jobs. He's not actually in these discussions, apart from the Ireland gig.
00:05:34
Speaker
so like if it was in Ireland would even be in this discussion if it was another nation that's what you're saying. Exactly yeah so like if Southgate goes do you think he's going to be in the running for the job? It's going to be Eddie Ho. I think he could be like I genuinely think he could be like I think he'd be the huge one but I think like that's something that we've seen from the FA before is like they they like to but specifically with guys they'll get his
00:05:58
Speaker
they like to position managers to then come in. But it's like, if you're him at home now, are you going like, okay, so if Southgate leaves, whatever, and they don't appoint me, am I throwing away like one of the biggest opportunities I could have, you know what I mean? So it's like... But then if he takes that decision and does go to Ireland and it doesn't work out, where the hell do you go next? You'd have to go back to like,
00:06:29
Speaker
He'd struggle to get a Midway Championship team after, like if he really, really does bad with Ireland. I mean, that's the gamble, isn't it? But what happens if he doesn't get the England job? Where does he go then? Yeah, he's in a weird position. But there's always been the kind of chat around him. So I know before he took on the 21 job, there was always, like, apparently, was he...
00:06:53
Speaker
Was it a Birmingham Coventry? I think it was Birmingham where he was actually interim manager or caretaker manager. I think it was Birmingham. Apparently he wasn't a fan of the job. Like he wasn't a fan of being the main man. So like if he was to take Ireland and it doesn't work out, does he just go and be a very very
00:07:11
Speaker
qualified coach. Because managing an under 21 team is very, very different than managing the men's team. There's a lot of different expectations and a lot of different ways. Well, you're fostering talent as opposed to... Yeah, you're more of a head coach than you are a manager. And you're not having to deal with the press in the same way and all that. And I think
00:07:32
Speaker
For Carsley, it would be a baptism on fire, but it also can't get any harder. So it's going to be quite a forgiving position for him because he's going to go, well, no matter where he goes, he's going to be under this kind of scrutiny. But if he does it at Ireland, at least it's still an international top flight or whatever. If he went to take the manager's job in Birmingham and failed,
00:08:02
Speaker
Whereas if you fail at international football, you can still become a very qualified coach or assistant manager or anything like that. Just on that, and sorry to cut across, I think for me though, it's like,
Financial Backing for FAI Managerial Decisions
00:08:19
Speaker
I don't think, if Southgate leaves, I do think they'll go for Eddie Ho. If he wants it, he'll probably get it. Carsley would be in that discussion, but I think the only way Carsley will ever potentially get the England job, if he goes from being 21's manager to potentially an assistant for the senior team, and then down the line, he needs to play a long game to get the manager's job. But I don't know, like you're telling me that
00:08:43
Speaker
how would want, or I'm just saying how, because I think that's who it will be, but insert manager, they'll want their own ticket. They won't want him. So for sure. Look at how he's always moved to Tyndall. That's what I mean. You know, they sort of would want them though, because he like, it's specifically how international football works. He'd be the gateway into the first team. You know what I mean? For that new crop of player. Well,
00:09:05
Speaker
I think the interesting thing is he's in a position now where he either takes the punt and it either pays off or he could get caught out really badly. And I think the thing I'm thinking about is like, it was interesting that you mentioned Achillean, like he could go back in after the iron job to a very high level coaching job because he's really good with youth, all that. Like to be honest, he'd be good ahead of Academy somewhere, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's just as he wants that kind of role. But yeah, that he would be good at that.
00:09:35
Speaker
But that's what I mean, it's like, I think the decision isn't as hard as it probably is that we think it is because he can fall back on things. Yeah, like I think failing as the Ireland manager was not going to hurt your prospects of being a head of youth development or anything like that.
00:09:53
Speaker
I think for him it's a pretty win-win situation other than the fact that he wants his staff apparently and probably look into Ireland and all that. So like just looking through the odds here of who's... Yeah who's left on the list at this point? Well Lee Carthy is still odds are. Okay. He is the FAI's man and that's not to say that they don't.
00:10:16
Speaker
pull the money out. They could be negotiating a sponsorship deal on the basis of him coming in where a sponsor goes, listen, we'll supplement, or the likes of Dennis O'Brien, or it's been done before. Does that make the FAI look weak though, if that's public knowledge? Well, that's why they're probably playing the game at the hours. It's all negotiations that way. If it ever does come out, it's like, oh, well. We managed to solve it, yeah. Exactly.
00:10:41
Speaker
Um, so then the next two are out with the running, Neil Lennon and Chris Coleman. Um, then it's John O'Shea. I think it's too soon. Like if they wanted, he was, he was in the building already. If they wanted him, they would have given it to him straight off the bat. Plus he's, he's only in a, uh, he, did he leave Birmingham with Rudy? I don't know. But he saw he, he saw he's in and around his own positions. Anyway, he's, he's has, has his own career. Um, Chris Newton. I mean.
00:11:08
Speaker
I, yeah, I don't like, has he just left? Yeah, he got, he got sacked, got sacked off. I have to be honest though. Gus Poyette, again, he ruled himself out pretty much. Anthony Barry, which is an interesting one considering the Tookle chat that Tookle might be going and him being part of that coaching staff. Now, I don't think it's going to happen, but it's a little like he might, he might have the conversation now, whereas. Only way that happens is if they allow manage club and country.
00:11:39
Speaker
You know, like in terms of he keeps his role in Byron, even if, or wherever Tookle goes, if he goes with him, I don't, I don't see him giving up everything for the art on job. Personally. The next few aren't great now. Scott Brown. Oh Jesus. Byron Munich linked Ollie Gunnar Solskjaer, which I think would be an excuse. I take Ollie. Would you? Even as you know, I defer.
00:12:03
Speaker
Yeah. Like I think like tactically he wasn't the greatest. And I think we all know that like a hundred percent, but there was games where he was like, he was very tactically aware. I think the thing with him is playing the kind of fence of football. It's like, I don't know how he is in that aspect because we didn't really get to see it. Um, like obviously kind of didn't work out very well. That would have been more defensive style.
00:12:33
Speaker
Put Oli's career into like context here.
Ollie Gunnar Solskjaer's Fit for Ireland
00:12:38
Speaker
He did very, very good at Molda and boat spells. He went to Cardiff, which were just after changing their home colours from blue to red and then back to blue because the owner on a whim. So that's a basket case club. He got handed out, he got shafted at United then as well.
00:12:53
Speaker
Well, look who's failed at United as well. And he actually did well. He did well with the interim, and then he did quite well in that season. And then the wheels come off. That's just how Man United has been for the past decade. You can have a spell and then you just go bad. So I think he gets very, very hard done by it. And there's a reason why clubs like Bayern, even if there's only a temporary role.
00:13:19
Speaker
are looking at him. It's a big gamble for him again. Don't give him the new contract. It's all good. Rosie did the contract when Hill comes out and then there's downhill after that. That's what we learned at United. Don't give him that contract. What did Ferdinand say? Give it to Ollie. You get a blank paper. I think that isn't pointed out enough how well he did in that first six to eight months.
00:13:46
Speaker
I just, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I'd wonder how much he'd be. You know, like I don't think, I don't, I think he'd be carsly money to be honest. But I think the difference with him, I think he'd be carsly money, but I think he'd have a smaller ticket. I think he'd be, I think he'd be more willing to have, he might have one or two staff of his own and put them into the, into the Irish setup or Irish based setup. Whereas I think carsly would want
00:14:14
Speaker
System cool keeping cool. Yeah. Yeah, but I wonder I wonder if we do say we say art and get ollie cool I wouldn't I wouldn't be opposed to but at this point because of who's left but we all know that
00:14:28
Speaker
he'd be doing this as a stepping stone. So maybe five years down the line, we're right back where we are now. I think that's a better. In reality, unless
Roy and Robbie Keane's Potential Roles
00:14:39
Speaker
you're going for Neil Lennon who's just there for the shits and gigs. On the tracksuit. Exactly. I think we need to realize we're always going to be used as a stepping stone until we actually move up that ladder. You know what I mean?
00:14:54
Speaker
I think it's better to be a stepping stone than it is to be a retirement home. I'd rather have somebody that has something to prove and want to do well rather than maybe having like a Steve Bruce that's kind of like, ah yeah, I'll ask Paycheck. Steve Bruce has plenty of fighting, am I right? Yeah, thank you very much. Okay, a big Sam then. Oh yeah, I wouldn't ask Paycheck, thanks very much. I'll go in here, I'll coast for a few years and they'll be in the same position and I'll be
00:15:19
Speaker
a couple of million quid. What I've been reading, I think you're completely right on that point, by the way. Dan, it's a very good point to have in this whole discussion. I just wonder, I think at this point, it's getting embarrassing for the FAI. Just even put John O'Shea in his interim and buy time. I know we've got the friendlies in March, but it's what, seven months till we play a competitive game or something like that? We've got time.
00:15:47
Speaker
Just going to quickly rattle off these names. Now, Gary Rower wouldn't be a fan of that. Stephen Bradley, Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, John Eustace, Brian Barry Murphy, Mark Kennedy, Damien Duff, who I don't think would take it, Steve Bruce, Sam Allardyce, Dean Smith, who actually has a job in the US, so I don't know why he'd come back, Ralph Hassenhutel. Yes, please. I'd be okay with that. I think it'd be too expensive, but I'd love that.
00:16:15
Speaker
I think, I think Kean becomes more of an option every day to pass. I just have a fear. I don't know what it is. I think the reason, like he even just hinting at the fact that he'd be open to the chat. I think he'd always be open to the chat, brings him home. But I just think with him in Israel at the moment, optically, that's not good for the FAO. Which Kean? Robbie. I was talking about Roy. Oh, I'm sorry, Robbie.
00:16:41
Speaker
I think Roy can become more option day by day, just purely because they're going to go down the list. I don't think it would be very hard to get deals on where, if they wanted to.
00:16:53
Speaker
I think, as we've said, it would be, he'd still have to be able to do his media bits and all that, which I think for him personally would be very clever, take him out of the limelight just a little bit, because I think Sky are getting very dependent on putting his face into every stick to football thumbnail that they can. So I think for his own brand, it'd be good.
00:17:15
Speaker
i think if you could get him to agree to be an interim or something like that i think that would be very very good you won't though he won't do interim it's either you give it to him or it's for it yeah but i i do think
00:17:33
Speaker
Yeah. With Robbie Key and I just don't think that's feasible or logical. He doesn't need it. He's actually doing well out in Israel. Yeah. He's going to go an alternative route, but prove himself in Europe. And then come around somewhere else. And then he'll end up, yeah. I could see him taking the lead's job in a year and a half's time. That would work. I do think Roy, he's, one thing I don't know if you guys have noticed from the last, I don't know, month or six weeks of stick to football and he's on.
00:18:01
Speaker
He's itching to get back. And he keeps talking about it needs to be the right place. It needs to be the right setup. And he was like, contract to contract. He was like, that's not the biggest thing for him. But like, I think he wants a job that he can be boots on the ground, but it's not club football where he's getting rinsed every day, you know, six interviews a week.
00:18:26
Speaker
I think it'd be the perfect, if he wants management, this is the best situation for him, because he's already been inside the door, so he knows what to expect. Well, there is one other position for him. I don't think he'd take it after recent comments, but his Sunderland, which is now available, as Mick Beale got the sack today as we were recording.
Sunderland's Managerial Chaos
00:18:48
Speaker
What do you feel about that, by the way?
00:18:51
Speaker
He is the shortest reigning manager in London in history. It was what, three months, two months? Sixty-four days. He is at Liz Trust levels. It's a very bad look, isn't it? It's not good. I like the fact that the ownership didn't wait. They said, right, this isn't working. Let's just fix this instead of limping on. I think he's a very, very good coach.
00:19:15
Speaker
and I think he's a terrible man management and because at the weekend as we lost to Birmingham to the player that went on strike to get a move Alex Pritchard and to the manager that we just sacked Tony Mulbray and Troy Hume who was our right back from Northern Ireland fantastic only 21-22 maybe 23-22 I think
00:19:36
Speaker
very, very talented young player. And as he was coming off, McBeal blanked him. I saw, I only saw, I didn't see video of it. I saw pictures and it looked like he knew exactly what he was at.
00:19:46
Speaker
Yeah, he took a little step to the side as he saw the player coming and the player had his hand out and looked at him with his hand out and then went away shaking his head. But in what world does he think that that benefits him? You're not in the playground. Unless he knew that his days were, he was already done. At least even then have a bit of decorum, you know what I mean? Well, one of the things that I was kind of very telling about, so he's now gone.
00:20:16
Speaker
Mike Dodds, who was the caretaker manager before him, who did very well in his three games, he's now been put in interim for the end of the season. And he's part of the Christian Speakman coaching structure. So he came with him from Birmingham and the players love Dodds. He did himself a lot of credit during his time.
00:20:41
Speaker
But a lot of the players were liking the post, because basically they didn't announce that Beal was leaving. They announced that Beal was being an interim and that Beal was leaving. And Ian Hart, former Ireland international and Jack Clark's agent, liked the post.
00:20:59
Speaker
the ownership like the post. Job Bellingham liked the post. Dennis Serkin liked the post. You hate this stuff. The only thing about it is, I would say, is I think it's more to do with Dodds getting the position than it is for Bea leaving. Either way, it's just so bad. And I have a real issue with
00:21:22
Speaker
owners and borrowers appointed a manager for that little time like it doesn't really matter like if one thing sort of happens like number one you've appointed them you've obviously seen a vision or whatever or you clearly maybe didn't but it's like you've appointed them let the man do his job you can't like you can't expect people to to like uproot
00:21:48
Speaker
in english football though man like it's it's a 10 game game now like that it's literally you have 10 games don't forget all these like intricate oh i agree with you and this and that and then like rip things up after like 60 days
00:22:05
Speaker
Like I agree to the extent I don't like to see managers changing too often. Like Sunderland has had, I think it's 22 managers since 2010. That's far as I go. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Even think of the cost to pay them all out. And like some of them were pricey boys.
00:22:26
Speaker
The thing about it, apparently, is that the players started to just not buy into him, not buy into his coaching methods, which is the thing that he's always been praised for. And they weren't buying any even to his training. So this goes back to the United scenario where it's it's literally like it's more player power than anything. That's what I was going to say. Like it goes back to your thing about great social media after a little bit. And we don't want to play for his manager, blah, blah, blah.
00:22:56
Speaker
I don't know if it is the player power, though, in this instance, because Mike Dodds, who was a coach, was made assistant manager. And what it seems to me as a fan looking in is that the players never bought into Beal. And because Dodds got the good position, it was kind of like, OK, we'll humour him for you. I think the players never. I think they're bought into the model and the coaches that were already there.
00:23:23
Speaker
And then Beal came in with a very good presentation and tried to implement something new. And the players were like, why are you trying to fix something that was working really well? And now it's not. So what we're going to do is we're going to go back to doing what worked and ignore you. That's a real coup mentality, though. You know what I mean? And I really don't like the fact that they were liking that post and stuff because they know what they're doing. That looks so immature. And he said the ownership done it as well.
00:23:52
Speaker
Yeah, I think this is more about DODS. I think this is more about DODS being well-liked. And don't forget, this is one of the things that both of your clubs are going to... I think this is an element of both of your clubs and you eventually have to get used to because both of your clubs are going down that track and we'll get on to that next.
00:24:12
Speaker
this is a proper director of football ran a club now it is not about the manager it's about the model well the game's changing towards that like as as seen with new castle and the whole saga would actually you know exactly which we'll move on move on to very soon um but i think this is where
00:24:29
Speaker
if you don't have the right man at the helm it actually doesn't matter and they can be chopped in and chopped out and what's happening at Sunderland is going to prove them well you had the wrong personality there because it seems to be and if you look at how Beale went back to Rangers is Beale thinks his shit don't stink like it just seems that he has this complex about himself and it's also quite telling that when he went to Sunderland
Football Management: Roles and Challenges
00:24:55
Speaker
He brought no staff with him. No. No. His assistant manager was 60 days ago. Nobody wants him. Who they wanted was Will still.
00:25:09
Speaker
Will still was going to cost 5 million and the weren't willing to spend it. So the backup, like you still sacked your manager and then didn't have a. Well, it either shows the owners are clueless, which I don't think they are. But I think, look, if you manage or if you own a club for long enough, you're going to make a good few L's on managers. And I think they just, I think they, as you said, Nate probably did believe in them. And then I think very quickly realized, Oh, we
00:25:39
Speaker
we fuck this one up. I think Beal is part of that new breeder manager that has, what was it? Gary O'Neill said, you can have a very good presentation, but it doesn't make it a good coach. I think he's of that ilk. I think he's a very, very talented coach. I think he thinks about football very well as proven to being Steven Gerrard's crutch. But
00:26:00
Speaker
I don't think he has what it takes. And I don't think the club particularly bought into him when you consider his staff. I have a big problem with those PowerPoint things though. When you see Lampard on, again stick to football or you've heard Roy Keane talk about it.
00:26:16
Speaker
To get a job these days, it isn't even good enough to have a good record. You need to have this vision. We all know about Klopp's 50-page plan that he arrived with. I understand you need to have a backing to your ideas, but part of being a football manager is people and intuition, and you can't put that on paper.
00:26:39
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And I think, but I think this is where, like you said, the ownerships can make problems, make mistakes. And I think the problem with that, what they've now learned from the likes of Abil is just because they can talk the talk and tell you all these points that are going to fit into your model.
00:26:57
Speaker
they could just be talking to talk. They might not actually know what it takes to fit into the model. And the thing about Mowbray leaving, as was evidenced by, like, today he's taken ill and he won't be taking Birmingham for the next six to eight weeks or possibly even the end of the season if rumours are to be relieved.
00:27:13
Speaker
And the club made a post wishing him a speedy recovery. And then a post or two later was their manager being sacked. So I went from this really well-liked manager to putting some lad in who they didn't even trust enough to give him his own assistant. He was an assigned an assistant who was the interim coach beforehand. So I think he was always a stopgap.
00:27:38
Speaker
it's just the stop was a whole lot shorter. Like he managed one less game for Sunderland than Paolo De Canio did. 60 days is crazy like. But don't forget our position as well. We are on the cusp of playoffs. We can't actually. I was about to say you're what like eight nine ten somewhere in there aren't you? I think we're three points off of playoffs. Okay right. And at the rate that we're going, every stat has gotten worse.
00:28:05
Speaker
week on week. We are progressively becoming a worse team on Derbeel, which I really hoped was going to turn around because we had one or two decent performances. But it was one of the ones that was like, when it was good, it was great. But when it was bad, it was abysmal.
00:28:23
Speaker
See I'm a believer though of when you're a pointy new manager you need to take the pain to get the game sort of thing. Which I know fair enough if he isn't worked out but I think part of any new manager going in straight away is you can sort of expect stats to deteriorate in some frame. You know what I mean?
00:28:42
Speaker
yeah but you'd want to have some indication of something working like only thing they own 64 this is like saying kim kardashian's marriage length here like i mean it's you know it's 60 days is mental or 64 whatever is it's wild but the only thing i agree with both of you boys because like nays i agree managers need to get time and 64 days is a joke but i do think
00:29:06
Speaker
Like we said, it's moving more towards a direction football role or a world which is statistically based. If the statistics are going down and not to go too moneyball about it, but like if he's gangrene, you know, you got to chop the limb, you know.
00:29:22
Speaker
And like this is where, as I said, I think both your clubs are going to have to get used to this kind of thing. Because as we've seen from the battle of Ashworth, director of football is going to Man United and Newcastle have to go scrambling to find one. I don't know who we're going to get, but I have to say part of me is, is, is, uh, excited as a football fan to see what he can do with Man United. Like I think if there's anyone that can fix.
00:29:51
Speaker
United, it's probably him. I don't like, again, similar to the FAI discussion, how these things have been handled, that he's just stuck on gardening leave and will figure out the financials. Again, why can't this stuff be done behind closed doors, have a bit of class, lad?
00:30:08
Speaker
That's not directed at you neither, but you know what I mean, I've just been football in general. It has gotten messy. I think just before we started recording, an article came out saying that Newcastle now won 20 million. Yeah, I saw that, which is steep. That's a bit crazy, you know what I mean? But surely we've got no negotiating parent and that we've stuck them on gardening leave. We're hardly just going to bring them back.
00:30:35
Speaker
Well, you do have an association about the fact that you don't need the money. Well, yeah. Like you could just leave him on garden and leave to the end of his contract in 2026. That'd be so rough. It ought to be horrendous. So like there's clearly been assurances made on United side that has got them to like make that push. You know what I mean? Like I think I read this morning, they like cut them off the computer systems and all. Like they went proper like, okay, get out of the building. Salaries like him don't count towards FFP, do they?
00:31:05
Speaker
No. And it would be part of your profit and loss overall, rather than the transfer one. So that's the one that you're allowed to properly tax write off stuff, basically. But just before we go on to the impact that this will have on United, I'm going to put a name out to you, Connor, for a potential replacement. As part of humanity, I don't need them now. It's Paul Mitchell.
00:31:36
Speaker
I don't know enough about him to be honest. I mean, see the only thing is like, I'm not trying to say that, you know, Newcastle are the most special club in the world by any means, but we're a different beast than most places at the moment because like, we could either fall apart
Newcastle's Future and Director of Football
00:31:59
Speaker
or dramatically grow it's gonna go one way or the other like it could be jesus do you remember that year where you just got to the challenge league and you thought you were gonna make it and now we're back to being 15th you know like i don't know what new castle is right now i don't know i don't know what new castle is either i don't know what their aspirations is like i don't know if they want to be the best club on the planet or if they if they're quite happy with with floating around top four in the family i think it's that man i i i
00:32:27
Speaker
I think even as long as we're in Europe, I think the ownership are happy. I think the director of football will show you where the club's heading, I think. Yeah. Who do you point now? Will they go and try and get one off another club? Will they go the more open market now? You can have John Merta if you want. I'll happily send him your way.
00:32:50
Speaker
Like there is, there is another name that, that could do, and I think he gets forgotten in the UK, but he did a very, very solid job for a long time is Michael Emilano and the former director of football for Chelsea. He only left in like 2018, 2019. And then he went to Monaco, was there for like two years and then was replaced by Paul Mitchell. I mean, like that could work. I mean, also.
00:33:13
Speaker
knows the English game, knows how to deal with an oil-rich owner who wants instant success or relatively, because I think where, I think where you might be kind of like giving Newcastle not enough credit to come from a Sunderland fan is that I think they do have a plan, but they've looked at Man City. They've looked and said, yeah, if we bounce in around Europe for the next couple of years, that's fine.
00:33:40
Speaker
because in seven, eight, eight, nine, 10 years, we're going to be challenged for titles and we're going to be pushing for later. I think you're right with that, but I think that plan hinged on guys like Ashworth being there.
00:33:53
Speaker
Well, if the Saudis are serious, in my opinion, they'll go out and try and get Michael Edwards. You took the words out of my mouth. They'll give him an offer that he cannot refuse to commit. He's the guy. He's the one. That's what I mean. It's like this next move from Newcastle will show where they're headed. Because if they go and get a top level operator willing to pay the money,
00:34:16
Speaker
then you know where they're planning to go. Money isn't the issue for them. Do you know what I mean? If we get Edwards after having him turn down Liverpool, it's a massive statement for the ownership group. I think one of the other things as well is it's so early in their tenure that having a mistake or two isn't that big of a deal. Losing a guy like Aswert
00:34:41
Speaker
isn't that big of a deal when it's this early. It's not like these are stuck in this system of we have to buy these certain players because we have to certain coaches and we do this. It's still all a bit malleable. So you can pretty easily change. Even though if we got through the summer window and then it happened, because with the need to sell players this summer, we're going to need to be various jute on the replacements.
00:35:09
Speaker
But that's what I mean. You're summer planning is now up in the air now because Dan Ashford's on there pulling the strings. And we're going to have to watch United get the players that we probably would have gone for because realistically we have the same money.
Impact of Multi-Club Ownership
00:35:24
Speaker
And another team that we have to keep an eye on in this kind of thing is Man City with their new purchase of Istanbul, but Bishakshashir adding to the list of Hirona, Trojes, Parlermo, La Melba, Haya, New York City FC, Melbourne City, Yokohama, Montevedo, Sichun, and Mumbai City. And who's to say they don't ever take over an Irish club?
00:35:47
Speaker
Firstly, I don't know what's more impressive, that list of clubs or your pronunciation of them, well done sir.
00:36:00
Speaker
It's, it's, it's, I think it's, I find this stuff very, very interesting considering those dead vote very recently about like multi-club ownership and the fact they're under investigation and they're still doing this kind of stuff. And the fact that like they could potentially face each other in Europe at some stage considering, uh, Man United we're facing against Bishop here. What was it a year or two ago with their FIFA 16 team?
00:36:30
Speaker
But we had in our little group chat earlier the suggestion of should Man City's group buy an Irish team? And if so, well, where should they go? I put it to you, fellas. Should it be Dublin, Cork, Galway, Waterford, Belfast, bring them into the Irish League? Me and Nath were, I think, on the same page with this one where City Group aren't
00:36:58
Speaker
It would be great if they took a club like Kerry and built it up and whatever. That's cool. But it's not a city. You need the name. You need the city. You need the only cities in Ireland. This is true. Even if we say Galway then, we build them up. But they want success fast. They want mass exposure. They want the biggest fan base possible.
City Group's Potential Irish Club Strategy
00:37:17
Speaker
And that's just double. I don't think they actually would want success fast. And I don't think they would want, I don't think they'd
00:37:24
Speaker
the audience is particularly that important to them. When you look at the other clubs, I think for them, it'd be a route for youth players. Like I see it as getting the James Coleman's, you know, like, yeah, but it's not even that like,
00:37:37
Speaker
By being in Europe, they could sign a 16-year-old in France that maybe not quite good enough for there, but send them to Ireland and get them used to playing in an English-speaking country, and then see how they acclimatise there, and then they can just divvy them up between their other teams. I think that's where it'd be kind of cool, but the other thing
00:37:57
Speaker
that we did chat about was they would realistically be technically bringing back Dublin City FC. And if so, would they be bringing them back as a new team and starting from the beginning? Or would they be taking over a team in Dublin? And if so, who goes? Because I will be making this as a Foppa manager save. And we will call it up on our socials for other people to download to have the same fun. What are we saying, lads? Who's to go or who's to be relegated for their place?
00:38:28
Speaker
Ooooh. What was Iron to Gold one? Rovers Iron to Gold? No. Can I just say, I love that Kerry SE have a team now. I just love it. I think I'm a Kerry SE supporter. There's rumours of meat coming. Yeah, it doesn't hit the same as Kerry. Until you have Kerry Gold as sponsors, I'm not interested. I envision Clifford on the wing, you know what I mean?
00:38:58
Speaker
You're right, bows and brovers, it never happens. So realistically, of who's left, who do you think? That's the one I'm leaning towards as well.
00:39:09
Speaker
But they're going to go. They just buy them with a bit of NFL relocation, you know what I mean? First, I think that's one thing that the FAI wouldn't actually allow to happen, but one thing that would allow to happen is let them revive the club and then relegate Finn Harps to whatever division it takes and let them take their spot. So I think
Irish Club Names and Fantasy Football Ideas
00:39:33
Speaker
I don't think I'll be getting rid of Finn Harps. Maybe Treaty United. Who are they? We get rid of them. That's a pretty cool name. It's a terrible name. It's not cool, Ben. Mate, come on. We've got the Cork City. Do you know what I mean? The Treaty United's a bit like... Yeah, it's a bit American, innit? Treaty United sounds like it could be a movie on the CW channel.
00:40:03
Speaker
Treaty and I, it's a good thing. I do want you to run that FM safe. I absolutely will. They'll have the same board as City. Who do we want to manage them? I'm thinking Richard Dunn, Man City legend, Irish, put him straight in as manager. I mean... It makes sense. Can we do two runs at it? Like I said, can we do side by side runs? Who are you thinking? I'm thinking John O'Shea.
00:40:33
Speaker
There's no city connection. That's not fun. I know, but we can do Richard Dunn. We'll do Battle of the Defenders. Dare I say, we've drafted up a kit that we could show the world. Yeah, Nate has a kit and everything. I thought you meant that. Yeah, see, and it just popped up with Eddy. I was like, oh, someone already thought it was it. This is actually out in the ether.
00:41:01
Speaker
We're going to manifest this into reality. I might offend a few people here, but why don't we get rid of St. Pat's? Oh, wow. Oh, I'd agree. I think there's too many. Like, come on. Like, St. Pat's. You can't, though. It's not your ball. It's not like St. Pat's. Pat's are a big club.
00:41:35
Speaker
Or they could just make a new team, let's be real. I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to bring back Dublin City FC, an actual revival, so they'll have the old records of that, which Richard Dunn as manager, Kevin Hunt, who I think was a former City, no, he was a Liverpool scout.
00:41:47
Speaker
I think Robbie would eat you if you said that to him.
00:41:53
Speaker
I'll get some decent kind of like, scouting guide to be a director of football and we'll see if the likes of Ian Lawler or something like that wants to go back to their connection to City and see how they can do and see if they can get to Europe and if they do, how well they can do.
Innovative Roles in Football: Refereeing Analyst
00:42:12
Speaker
Gentlemen, we are coming very rapidly to the end, and I just do want to very quickly mention, there is a new position that I expect to see in the next vocal manager game, considering we're talking about it, which is refereeing analyst, as pioneered by Knott's Forest and Mark Clattenberg. No, you take us away. I'm going to have an opinion here. I was coming with the opposite opinion. I'm coming with it again. You look like a hot take here. I love that appointment.
00:42:41
Speaker
I don't know about that. Explain to you what's so bad about this, this position and then I'll come back to you why I think it's a great appointment. I sound like an old codger and I'm very aware of it, but it's just the most poor, awesome, poor Nottingham forest art, all the decisions going against us, aren't we all? Oh no, I think it's an evolution of the scouting report. You're going to scout your opposition, you might as well know the guy who's going to control the game.
00:43:06
Speaker
I think this is a position that's used very intensely in other sports. This is a huge position in rugby. But it works in rugby. I don't know. I think it's just... I think it works more in football considering how temperamental referees can be.
00:43:21
Speaker
I just I sound like Gary Neville I know I do but like it's it's it's just like it just seems like two two weeks ago Jack's Piper the former referee joined the spring box after retiring they saw that yeah you know like this is it I think there's a value of position and I'm trying to think what referee would I like a United? Oh you get him in
00:43:44
Speaker
Oh God, he'd be Greg Craig. I think, who's your man? Gallagher. Derma Gallagher. You know the one, he's the talking head in Sky Sports. Oh yeah. It's like, fella, that's a penalty. Like, stop trying to think of a way to buy your refs out of it. I'm telling you now, by this time next year, Clattenberg doesn't have that job there.
00:44:07
Speaker
Probably not. No, not him. I think he's I think he's too ego fueled. But that does draw us to the end. And for the second week in a row, we've managed to avoid the Rasmus Huyland loving. No, no, we have no time. Thank you. Thank you very much for joining us.
00:44:33
Speaker
gentlemen, it's been an absolute and utter pleasure. We'll chat you again next week. Bye bye.