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The clowns are back 🤡 as more cuts at Old Tafford and Agents cause a stir
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Sir Jim’s latest cost-cutting move—has he finally lost the plot? 🤯 Anthony Gordon’s red card… pure stupidity or just unlucky? 🤦♂️ Ian Harte takes aim at the League of Ireland—does he have a point? 🇮🇪 And the lads hit back after being called clowns! 🤡
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00:00:18
Killian Ginnity
It's that time of a week again. It's not a pundit. My name is Cillian Ginnity and I'm delighted to be joined as ever by the gruesome twosome that is Conor Glennon and Nathan Byrne. Gentlemen, how are we doing?
00:00:31
Conor Glennon
Well, we've got a red card for Anthony Gordon that I'm sure we'll get onto later that has me all sorts of annoyed. um So ah's it's not great, um but I'm doing all right. And I have a feeling our our red friend ain't feeling much better after that e FA Cup weekend. Nate, how are you going?
00:00:48
Nate
I'm feeling great actually, I'm used to this now, so another week in paradise. and Yeah, no, all good, how you getting
00:00:57
Killian Ginnity
I'm great. I'm certainly better than Man United because, Nate, results aside, it's another week, another bit of journalistic fodder that Ratcliffe has given to the tabloids. um We're seeing bits on social where people are saying, oh, yeah, that player's goingnna have to wash their kits and everything. And Amarin's delighted that he's not got to the later parts of the competitions because now he doesn't have extra kits to wash.
00:01:26
Killian Ginnity
What's going on?
00:01:27
Nate
Be honest with you. Do you actually believe that report that came out that said...
00:01:31
Conor Glennon
I mean, I want to desperately.
00:01:31
Killian Ginnity
so Yeah, I was the kind of things that like it would make my heart so happy.
00:01:33
Nate
but but
00:01:37
Nate
Manchester United players are, just for the listeners who don't know, Manchester United players are reportedly watching their own kits, you know, because we're so money strapped at Old Trafford. Yeah, i don't know. It's just like, when were when we're doing so bad, they need to write about something. you know we've We've reached a rabbit hole where they're now reporting that ah a club worth $6 billion is cleaning their own kits every week.
00:02:01
Conor Glennon
and it It is funny, though, that we're now at a point where, like, you know that Sky Sports parody account? Like, I'm struggling to tell what's real and what's not at this point.
00:02:12
Nate
Oh, that's good.
00:02:12
Killian Ginnity
Well, see, that's the thing. It's like, it's, when you're, when you can't feed staff or anything, like, when, like, for 30 years before you could, like, before you've ever had all of the money, like, yeah, it' it's, it's, it's,
00:02:26
Conor Glennon
one of the one of the One of the big surprises for me on the money one, just I know we touched on this in previous weeks, but I was very surprised to see Gary Neville come out and say that maybe Radcliffe's right.
00:02:37
Conor Glennon
Like it's in how he handled it's very poor, but in terms of the actual volume of jobs, when you do, with like, look, I don't know that the day-to-day of these people is rolled, but when it's, you know, 1,000 or 1,200 people, it it does seem a bit overkill to me, you know?
00:02:54
Conor Glennon
I was just surprised that Gary Neville was critical of, of ah sorry, not critical, was a kind of in line with Radcliffe's thinking.
00:03:02
Killian Ginnity
but See, that's that's the bit that annoys me, is because if it was the Glazers signing off on these decisions, Gary Neville would be foaming at the mouth.
00:03:10
Conor Glennon
Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:12
Killian Ginnity
So he would.
00:03:13
Nate
See.
00:03:13
Killian Ginnity
And like, I don't don't think Rackliffe is generally wrong if if there's fat that needs to be cut off the bacon, cut off the fat. But it's the ridiculousness of like, once Jim says it's okay, well then I think it's okay. But if them dirty Americans do it, err...
00:03:31
Conor Glennon
Is is na does Neville still in that working group with Ratcliffe's guys?
00:03:37
Nate
um I don't believe it's Whit Ratcliffe himself. I think it's just, it's a redevelopment group of Old Trafford that consists of, like, government as well.
00:03:45
Conor Glennon
Okay.
00:03:45
Nate
and But the thing, like, the more I think about it, the more actually have come the realisation that the reason he's doing it is not to do with money. It's more to do with sort of a message in terms of,
00:04:00
Nate
we all know that United did need to tri trim fat.
00:04:02
Conor Glennon
Thank you.
00:04:03
Nate
Like, how many roles have they made redundant at this point? And, like, if that doesn't change the day-to-day, you've got to ask yourself, what what were they actually doing? and But I think the big thing when it comes to that is...
00:04:17
Nate
I think he's trying to make it an environment where you don't get the luxuries anymore that they they once did that made them people hold on to their positions. And it's not up to me to say whether he's going to bed at the right or wrong way, but I do think that's the way he's going about it.
00:04:34
Killian Ginnity
Do you think that this is now going to be reflected in the transfers going forward, like from the summer that United fans should expect that players be, the newer players as old Deadwood has shifted off, that they're going to on probably less wages and ultimately relatively less transfer fees, that they're going to be looking for kind of better deals in a relative United States?
00:04:55
Conor Glennon
Well, they're going to have to sell to buy, you know, and Rackcliffe's made that pretty apparent. But ah I do, let's face it, it's kind of the opposite of, you know, Arsenal need a striker, so every striker now is going to be 30 million more.
00:05:11
Conor Glennon
United, or clubs are aware United need to sell a lot of players. So those fees are going to be dramatically lower than they would have been for another team.
00:05:19
Killian Ginnity
But what I mean more so is like, ah say um Benjamin Sesko becomes available and Man United fans have to, under Ratcliffe, do Man United fans have to now completely discount players like that because he's not going to be willing to spend the money?
00:05:36
Killian Ginnity
Because you can't do it behind the scenes, have that level of frugality and not replicate it on the playing side as well.
00:05:44
Conor Glennon
I...
00:05:44
Nate
i I disagree. i think I don't think it's going to change our transfer dealings in any way. like If you look at January, we spent £30 million on the left-backs.
00:05:55
Nate
It's been good in Serie A, but he's been relatively on the quieter side. That's a big fee to me for what we bought in terms in terms of that. so Do I think it will change going forward?
00:06:07
Nate
Personally, no.
00:06:09
Killian Ginnity
you think you're going to see a lot more 30 millions instead of like a 60, 70, 80 though? Like, would you see two people coming whereas previously have one?
00:06:14
Nate
ultimatelyly Yeah, but I think United, like, in terms of say, like, we bought Hoyland for, what, 72 million, which is mental at this point.
00:06:17
Conor Glennon
I think yes, because you're going to you're going to be hamstrung in how much wages you can give. So therefore, you're to to you might have the 80 million to buy your player, but you don't have the wage structure to fulfill the contract they'd want.
00:06:39
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:06:41
Nate
By the way, my ah my ad, Chido, Obi that came on the weekend versus Wollum, 18-year-old, had three shots on target. Hoyland had three all season in the Premier League.
00:06:52
Killian Ginnity
Obi looks amazing. And i it's mean isn't he not part of european your European squad because he wasn't considered a senior player yet?
00:06:53
Conor Glennon
He does, yeah.
00:06:57
Nate
Yeah.
00:06:59
Killian Ginnity
Which is just...
00:06:59
Nate
Yeah, we scoped him from Arsenal before Christmas, I think.
00:07:04
Conor Glennon
Mm.
00:07:04
Nate
And and like it's it's just madness to me that like when you look at the stats, I think Coyland's had 18 shots in the league this season. 18 shots.
00:07:15
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, that's mad.
00:07:15
Nate
There's eight games that have gone by where he hasn't had a shot. And as to me, it's like it's players like that that we bought, say, for him for 72 million. it's like that's That's not a mistake that you can easily just wipe under the carpet.
00:07:28
Conor Glennon
Well, he's not someone you're going to be able to sell come the summer. Like you have to figure out how to work with him in some capacity.
00:07:35
Nate
I don't know if we can work with him, like with what I'm seeing. and to be honest, I think the best play is try and scalp him back to Syria and try and get some fee because he was performing before he came.
00:07:48
Killian Ginnity
What did you make of the result of the weekend? Were you disappointed with it? um Like, obviously, Fulham have been doing well this year. Going to penalties is not great.
00:07:59
Nate
um To be honest, what I took from that game was Roy Keane came across a bit of a knob on the overlap. and In terms of, like, without Bruno Fernandes, we're relegated.
00:08:11
Nate
Like, i'm genuinely, I'll say that right now. If we did not have Bruno Fernandes, we would be relegated this season.
00:08:17
Conor Glennon
I think i think you're you're you've spent too long in the doldrums.
00:08:17
Nate
genuinely
00:08:20
Conor Glennon
and for ah
00:08:21
Nate
haven't.
00:08:21
Conor Glennon
but when when you've met When you've many years of of of being down that neck of the woods, you'll you'll you'll start to get used to it and see the bigger picture. I don't think you're in that much of a terror.
00:08:31
Nate
I genuinely think we would be relegated this season without Bruno. Demento points is a single-handedly save for us in the Premier League. We cannot score goals. We cannot stop conceding goals.
00:08:42
Nate
Our only outlet to score the goals is Bruno currently.
00:08:48
Killian Ginnity
ah I don't know. I'd be closer to Keane's opinion on on Bruno. you know And I've always maintained that I've never liked his attitude. I don't like how he goes on.
00:08:58
Killian Ginnity
He...
00:08:58
Conor Glennon
Yeah, you were even saying that last week, yeah.
00:08:59
Killian Ginnity
he he he Like, i've been saying it for a year. Just even to watch him. his His face annoys me. He just has that moaning-ness about him. And I think that this season aside, he's never really been one that you can count on when the going gets tough.
00:09:15
Killian Ginnity
um I think... I think if you usually be in a better position with a worse player, that was more inspirational.
00:09:25
Nate
I totally disagree. Like, he single-handedly is saving us points on the bench, like, with goals with assists.
00:09:31
Killian Ginnity
so But if you had like, if you had like a Roy Keane or a John Terry type, that one them leaders of men that can pull better out of other players, you wouldn't be as reliant on one player.
00:09:40
Conor Glennon
Well, that's one thing we've been saying for as long as the pod's been going is that, you know, look, it's not just Man United.
00:09:41
Nate
Maybe...
00:09:45
Conor Glennon
I'm not trying to just dig at them. There's plenty of teams in the Premier League that are lacking the leaders of of even five years ago. You know, I do think it's players are different. It's a new caliber of player.
00:09:56
Conor Glennon
It's a new ah life experiences around being a player. And I don't think, and the with the wages that come with it, I don't know if that kind of fight is still around. There's versions of it, but I don't i don't think...
00:10:08
Conor Glennon
I don't think you see people like that at that level anyway.
00:10:11
Nate
You could have Muhammad Ali as captain, as inspirational as you want, and he's he's still not pulling Anthony that load of shite. yeah I'm just so disappointed with what I'm saying right now. and I think a lot of players are underperforming rather than ah being being a team issue, if that makes sense.
00:10:31
Conor Glennon
We're like, we're looking at a, it is funny. We're looking at, you know, is Amaran the guy? And I read recently that if you are to get rid of him in the summer, it's 12 million quid because his contract's pretty bulletproof that he gets a complete payout of his contract. So like leaving it, say if you could get that number was 1 million.
00:10:51
Conor Glennon
Do you think, do you want him in the dugout next year?
00:10:55
Nate
and To be honest I haven't had that I haven't thought about that yet Just purely because Of how bad it is I don't think it's his fault You know what I mean
00:11:07
Killian Ginnity
You're weeping at the fire in front of you rather than thinking too far into the future.
00:11:10
Nate
Yeah, ah genuinely, I'm not even thinking to summer yet, like and that's the scary thing. and Do I think he deserves to go? No. Do I think that it could get to the point where it's too damaged to save? There's still a long way to go in this season, and it's been very long. so I think he's walking a tightrope now between the club getting rid of him and him staying
00:11:38
Conor Glennon
we've and We've all kind of said where we stand on this topic, but do you think it's time to abandon this whole I play one formation, that's the structure, that's how we're always going to play as long as I'm here?
00:11:54
Nate
And. No, I think managers need to stick to their philosophies. like I think that's the reason why you hire managers but due to they play football, what their philosophy is.
00:12:07
Nate
And I think forcing a manager of their comfort zone because it's not working due to the players that they have their disposal, I think it's like it's it's just that you're on the highway to nothing.
00:12:18
Conor Glennon
Well, I suppose where I'm going with this is someone almost has to go because, and I don't look, I don't think Amarim's going anywhere, but you know if he's struggling this badly, it's either the manager's fault or the team that brought him in.
00:12:33
Conor Glennon
And the team that brought him in evidently knew the players that they had at their disposal and didn't have the foresight to see that those players couldn't work in the system of this new manager. So like, is it a director of football has to take a hit?
00:12:45
Conor Glennon
Like, I'm not i'm not looking for someone's scalp here, but you know what i mean? Like, it's's it's getting to a point that someone has to be, not everyone's right in this situation.
00:12:53
Killian Ginnity
Well, that scalp is already gone.
00:12:53
Nate
may right Yeah, our director of football already took that, mate.
00:12:57
Conor Glennon
But he didn't even want to have him. wasn't even on his list.
00:13:02
Killian Ginnity
ah is this yet again like a director type ah figure brought in allowed leave because he didn't have the right opinions and has kind of seemed to proven correct like look at ralph ralph with all the players that he had apparently suggested and all the the ideas that he has retrospectively look to be the right ones and ashworth on amarin well maybe they should have actually listened to the man that they spent many millions and many months waiting for her
00:13:30
Conor Glennon
I saw Ashworth now in the cricket game. um he's He's taken on a ah director role in, I believe, Surrey. um But it'll be interesting that is he's completely gone out of the sport. I doubt that's anything to do at a non-compete. I think it's just personal interest, probably.
00:13:46
Killian Ginnity
Plus, there's always been that kind of crossover between football and cricket. I remember Len Shackleton, the crown and prince of football for Sunderland back in the day. He used to play for play cricket on a county level.
00:13:57
Killian Ginnity
um Now, this is 1950s, but, you know, so I don't personally remember it. The other team, obviously, that was in in in the Cup, Connor, was Yuzerselves. How did it work out for you, Sly?
00:14:10
Conor Glennon
Just as good as it did for for United. um it it just really wasn't our day. um ah you know Eddie Howe's come out and said that our squad depth isn't isn't really there. um i It's something I have talked about on the pod at length. um I also don't think it's just that. I think There is a couple of times this season, however good we're playing, that I think mentally we're letting things slip. um you know We saw it recently where 4-1 up, finish 4-3, leaking goals, silly kind of mental errors.
00:14:47
Conor Glennon
So I think there's a little bit of work to do for the Toon in terms of mentality of the team as well as developing the team. um i think the biggest...
00:14:58
Conor Glennon
most sickening part of that game for me was the Anthony Gordon foul. um ah I just don't know what he was thinking.
00:15:05
Killian Ginnity
What was that about?
00:15:06
Conor Glennon
I just don't know what he was thinking, man. I really don't. Like, it was so unnecessary. And look, I mean... the The comparisons over the last couple of days have been, well, Van Dyke didn't get sent off when he absolutely scold Gordon, but that's neither here nor there.
00:15:24
Conor Glennon
You know, it's it's there's two sides of this. A, why is Gordon doing this?
00:15:28
Killian Ginnity
Wrongs don't make a right.
00:15:29
Conor Glennon
Yeah, like the like, why is Gordon doing this anyway? and Like, it is absolutely a red card. You know, the club are like, we'll appeal this. Good luck and good night. That's him gone for the Carabao Cup final. Yeah.
00:15:42
Conor Glennon
In general, why would you make that foul ahead of a cup final where it's the first time in nearly 70 years? Really, why would you do that? And I know he's young, and ah but I just don't bloody understand it.
00:15:54
Killian Ginnity
When you look at how he left Everton and when you look at the likes of this, he has that rogue streak in him that like, I wonder what by the time he turns 30 and his legs start to go, um will he actually have the mentality to kind of keep up our Premier League team's pace?
00:16:13
Killian Ginnity
Because he seems to allow things to get in on him in a way that isn't...
00:16:20
Conor Glennon
he sees He sees red. yeah it
00:16:22
Killian Ginnity
Oh yeah, like ah literally in this in this case.
00:16:25
Conor Glennon
and like ah you know Again, it's something we've talked about on the pod when when Gordon came into the fold, how he left Everton really bothered me. I don't like seeing that. um i you know Whatever your job and in the world, you always try to leave in the best places, but in the best circumstance. but you know I think just a case of downing tools at a club that brought you through...
00:16:46
Conor Glennon
is simply unacceptable and like that was always something that I think for me was a black mark that was a while before I wore them to but yeah I again it comes back to the mentality you know it's it's it are we arrogant in the fact that we think we're going to breeze through games and like let's call a spade a spade we may be doing well but we are not good enough to be playing arrogant football you know
00:17:10
Killian Ginnity
Nate, there was a certain beauty to Brighton's scores against ah Newcastle. Yacouba Minta, who obviously had come true at at Newcastle and we had heard from from Johnny McKinstry about his ah amazing talents.
00:17:24
Killian Ginnity
And man that me and know well, Danny Welbeck, who made a comment about always being a Mackham. It a certain beauty.
00:17:33
Conor Glennon
that really rubbed me wrong i cannot explain how angry i was when i saw that like i don't care that he supports sunderland but just leave it a week mate please
00:17:43
Nate
yeah it a good
00:17:44
Killian Ginnity
Gotta love Welbs.
00:17:46
Nate
ah he's ah he's a good one he probablyby could still be playing for and i into this day and
00:17:51
Conor Glennon
Crack and finish, though, have to say.
00:17:52
Nate
boy yeah brian like buy know weird when this season they're either really on or' really off but it's like there is no middle ground the scene and and yet there were there were just a bad audience the acoe gordon gordon gave him like da da red was so silly in my opinion it's like i'd be fine in a month wage just relax
00:18:13
Conor Glennon
Well, there's no...
00:18:13
Nate
genuinely
00:18:14
Conor Glennon
like there's There's no way you see that and go anything other than red. like It's not even like... you know a tactical red where you kind of, you live in the gray area. That is just stonewall record.
00:18:25
Conor Glennon
It's mental.
00:18:25
Nate
ah and the club sign that they're gonna payer or whatever thats just ah to me that's like stupid because just giving him a way out of his his terrible decision and he needs to up and take responsibility for and ultimately you know you never know what can happen and cop fine on that like that could be the thing that cost them
00:18:45
Conor Glennon
Oh, 100%. I mean, look, we're we're going into that against arguably the best team in Europe. He is one of our top three players. like Already, i I really don't want to be right with this, but I think we're going to get absolutely pumped.
00:19:00
Conor Glennon
But when we lose resources like that, it doesn't bloody help.
00:19:05
Killian Ginnity
Like,
00:19:07
Killian Ginnity
you if you don't win the cup and if you miss out on Champions League, is there going to be pressure on anyhow? I don't think there probably should have been because I think it's a pretty successful overall year.
00:19:21
Killian Ginnity
But with the ownership, do you think there's going to pressure on
00:19:24
Conor Glennon
um it's hard to say because, you know, look, I'll own up to it. i earlier, i didn' maybe, i don't know, 10 eps ago, i I was questioning whether he was the man to take us to the next level.
00:19:37
Conor Glennon
I mean, i mean I think the the Saudi investment fund have slightly taken their eye off the ball, pardon the pun, at the moment. So I don't know if they particularly, not care is the wrong word, but I don't know if it's...
00:19:56
Conor Glennon
problem number one for them shall we say i think he's enough cash in the bank this season um as long as we don't completely implode before the end of the year i think he'll be in the dugout next year but i do think next year is last chance saloon from look he's he's brought like i've said a million times we're victims of our own success in this way and so is he he has brought us way quicker towards our goal than we expected so when that those new levels have been raised, it's it's an unfair comparison. So, yeah, I think he deserves to to carry on into next year. I don't know about you guys.
00:20:29
Nate
ah las i'm gonna i'm gonna say something mad again it like
00:20:32
Conor Glennon
If you call him Gareth Southgate, I'm hopping off.
00:20:35
Nate
yeah and i could be eating humble pine nexti boy i think newcastle ah go nowhere currently i think and and that's mad say when they're and when're an equal final book and we continue is i think that they're still in that mindset of when they got taken over it like i think they need a new manager and quickly to ah kickstart that next phase and get everyone motivated and moving in a new direction and i i just i don't see personally myself
00:21:08
Nate
that relationship good for order eddie hale or newcast theyre in now because i think you're just sort of waiting for the inevitable happen but that's my opinion
00:21:16
Conor Glennon
I don't think you're wrong, and it's a fair point. you know ah It's just one of those, i think it's slightly more... heart and head in my side of the fence in in the fact that he has done a lot for the club and i look football is a cutthroat business and you need to think of the club and not like who's been great to us and if you're really cold about it so look I think you're right and I think you'll be proven right I think like you said it's it's it's a matter of time and but then again if he wins a trophy Christ like he you won't be able to push him out you know
00:21:54
Killian Ginnity
But it's not a trophy that's going to attract any bigger players for you to push on for a Champions League and place.
00:22:01
Conor Glennon
No, it's not, but yeah.
00:22:02
Killian Ginnity
So it's it's a trophy for the sake of a trophy. like At least Ten Hag, when he was winning trophies, there was an element of, okay, well, it's Europa League. or like
00:22:11
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:22:11
Killian Ginnity
but like This is something to actually talk about. um And that didn't save him.
00:22:14
Nate
like and we all on the same page or new castlers they need to so like um i hate to use jose business link before but they need to sign a name like hose in my opinion get what or two
00:22:24
Conor Glennon
Well, but yeah.
00:22:25
Nate
what are two high profile players in i'm not talking about the best players i'm talking like two two or three p playerers with real stature in the game like respected and i think that's when you'll see that envelope and you'll see people actively want to go to new guys and you know ah head in the right direction am i opinion
00:22:43
Conor Glennon
I think so. And I think, I think it's both from an optics perspective of big names like that from a player point of view and a managerial point of view, but also raising the standards and, look, Newcastle are a big club, but in terms of the levels of achievement, we are not a big club.
00:23:02
Conor Glennon
And we need players and managers who have been there to bring the club up to the next notch. yeah And Jose, like we've said before, he's a short-term manager. Is he the guy? I don't know.
00:23:14
Conor Glennon
um Newcastle is, although like, you know, we're playing good football. It's not the easiest market to get people up to. It's bloody cold. It's bloody wet. Our facilities aren't incredible. and But we just, our fan base is is what well but pulls people up there. and I don't know, Killian, what are you saying?
00:23:34
Conor Glennon
Do you think we need like an Italian savant of a manager to come in and change us up?
00:23:36
Killian Ginnity
Like, I...
00:23:42
Killian Ginnity
I do think you need um somebody that has little bit more of a tactical now. Like, I think if he's had a little bit more of an identity, um something that can kind of go okay, that's the Newcastle way, as much as that pains me to say.
00:23:57
Killian Ginnity
um But, like, if he's had, like, a Nagelsmann, somebody like that, it's enough of a name that makes you go, oh but has enough of a playing style that players can buy into. Because that's one one of the things, like, we've mentioned this before,
00:24:10
Killian Ginnity
Years ago when Ellis Short owned Sunderland, we were struggling to get bigger-name players. The biggest-name player that we can get was Darren Bent, which was an amazing signing for us.
00:24:19
Conor Glennon
It was big at the time, yeah.
00:24:20
Killian Ginnity
was he was big at the time, but he was also on unwanted pretty much at Tottenham. They were very happy for him to go because they had about 47 strikers on the Harry Redknapp.
00:24:25
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:24:29
Killian Ginnity
Let's not forget Roman Pavlichenko. There's a name for you. LAUGHTER ah And there was very, very, very serious consideration given to having a London training ground so that players could li live in London and then travel up to Sunderland for games, which thankfully didn't happen.
00:24:44
Conor Glennon
I remember you saying this, yeah.
00:24:49
Killian Ginnity
But again, that level of ah attractiveness isn't there in the general area of Newcastle or Sunderland or general North East.
00:24:56
Conor Glennon
Yeah, the Northeast just isn't, it's not London. It's not, know, anything like it.
00:25:00
Killian Ginnity
No, so but if you had a ah managerial name or a style of football that made the player kind of go, oh, if I go here, this is actually like going to be good for me. Either here or after I leave here, this is going to be good for me.
00:25:14
Killian Ginnity
And I think you could box a little bit more clever. And i think if you use... use Paul Mitchell now, like you used did well when you had Ashworth and you kind of gave him the proverbial key to the to the kingdom. And I think you need to do the same with Mitchell. And Mitchell has a lot more experience on the continent with Monaco and Leipzig and allow him to use them contacts and that level of knowledge and that scouting frame that I'm sure he's going to have built up over that time.
00:25:42
Killian Ginnity
to kind of pick out a few players and a few staff members because that's the other thing that we kind of like arsenal like to talk about their set piece culture or whatever and same with liverpool and dustin villa um ah you you need to have a few kind of if you're not gonna have the big name manager or or a big name name manager having very well thought of within industry staff can help and i think if you can get some of them players and kind of go listen We're not going to win the Premier League this year or next year or the year after. But right now, you're on the cusp of being great and we can get you there.
00:26:18
Conor Glennon
I think...
00:26:19
Killian Ginnity
And the team that you're adopt the the teams you at now, you're not going to reach that. You can be very good, but we can guarantee you'll be great and you'll be challenging and you will be seen. And I think if you can get that little niche, then you have a really bright future ahead and keeping within our beloved financial rules.
00:26:37
Conor Glennon
ah I'm trying so hard to like navigate not talking about FFP or PSR. It's banned this week, boys.
00:26:43
Nate
we can go again
00:26:43
Conor Glennon
ah No, we're not going again. um i i ah i think you're right with with with with kind of the the backroom staff. and You know, the type of manager we need, and I'm not saying this person would come to Newcastle, there's no reason, but like someone like a Diego Simeone, we need someone who has full siege mentality of it's us against the world, you're one of my boys, like kind of duffer, a Mourinho type, you know, that kind of...
00:27:11
Killian Ginnity
would be a very romantic move.
00:27:13
Conor Glennon
I mean, look, it's way too big for him.
00:27:14
Nate
baby
00:27:17
Conor Glennon
Maybe down the line some point. i mean
00:27:19
Killian Ginnity
when you are relegated.
00:27:19
Conor Glennon
yourre ten you're telling You're telling me he'd want to be doing six press conferences a week in front of English media. I do not think so. i do love i love and like As a manager, I think he's brilliant. I love the way he treats his players. Ah, yeah.
00:27:33
Conor Glennon
and kind of
00:27:33
Killian Ginnity
But just having the former player in it would be very, quite very romantic, especially considering the last time he was there, he was scoring an OG to get you relegated under Alan Shearer.
00:27:35
Conor Glennon
ah yeah
00:27:42
Conor Glennon
Batman's knees were just kaput at that point.
00:27:46
Killian Ginnity
Had a very good career at Fulham after yous though. Got to the Europa League final.
00:27:49
Conor Glennon
we we We don't talk about that.
00:27:53
Killian Ginnity
um So i think I think we're all general generally in agreement that like yous are nearly there.
00:27:58
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:27:59
Killian Ginnity
and i it's I think yous need to make i But I think yous need a ballsy move either way.
00:28:00
Conor Glennon
It could go either way, though. It could really go either way.
00:28:05
Killian Ginnity
Like i I would rather see yous live and die by ballsy move and kind of go we went for it than kind of having this petering out under the English manager in it.
00:28:11
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:28:16
Nate
yeah newcasts are born at as that's um
00:28:19
Conor Glennon
lads, I will take and will i will i will take boring.
00:28:19
Nate
and i mean nine
00:28:23
Conor Glennon
The amount years of going, I just want to stay up. I just want to stay up. Jesus, anywhere from 12th up is party time at this point.
00:28:32
Nate
yeah like i still think they're far away like that's a thing is ah like and i don't see you making the mayors us of anything i don't see happening i don't see his being proactive with it but there lu to suggest that he are goingnna be because
00:28:47
Conor Glennon
No.
00:28:48
Nate
he's ah he's it been with this manager for so long
00:28:51
Conor Glennon
I also, i'm just going to put out there, ah yes, down to medical circumstances.
00:28:52
Killian Ginnity
You're losing your CEO as well, aren't you?
00:28:59
Conor Glennon
um
00:28:59
Killian Ginnity
But again, it's another kind of big hole after losing Ashworth last year, getting Mitchell
00:29:02
Conor Glennon
Yeah, there's a lot of C-suite movement, and even with the ownership group changing as well. I like
00:29:09
Killian Ginnity
like is that Is that kind of holding you back where they're kind of going, well, it's better to have a steady hand and a product that we know rather than kind of taking the the chance and a bit of a leap and actually potentially getting to the next step?
00:29:18
Conor Glennon
i
00:29:21
Conor Glennon
I think so. I think it's a mix of things, lads, to be honest with you. There's no seemingly, or seemingly there's no kind of long-term plan that I can see. We don't have a football style. We've got an ownership group that's changing, a foreign ownership group that it's unclear how invested they are long-term.
00:29:40
Conor Glennon
I think it's a case of they were setting up the commercial opportunities like bringing adiba Adidas back into the fold and, know, Yeah, I know we're kind of flirting with PSO or chat here, but I think they're they're trying to sort out the commercial side of the house first and then and then build from there. But to be honest, lads, I do not want to get Champions League um this season.
00:30:02
Conor Glennon
I know that sounds insane, and I really want to be in the Champions League because I love seeing Newcastle in the Champions League, but it did not help our situation the last time. And i don't think our squad depth is there. And like I said, mentality-wise, we are not at the races. So I don't think we're ready for another year of that.
00:30:20
Killian Ginnity
Well, squad depth-wise, you aren't considering you're still so dependent ISAC. But in other news that we wanted to touch on, um ah former international, an Irish international, Nate, a former Sundown player, has been in the news. Can yeah can you tell us why?
00:30:38
Nate
um he say having a go anyone and everyone seems then
00:30:42
Killian Ginnity
This is Ian Harris, by the way.
00:30:43
Nate
you know yeah in her you know basic holiday irish lady quote-unquot robbish and and yeah everyone's just unloaded back at him he's gotta go a canny can he's got to go back and a and donfy's getting in the ring now
00:30:59
Conor Glennon
Stephen Bradley, Damian Duff.
00:30:59
Nate
you know even
00:31:01
Killian Ginnity
So so let's let's go back to the beginning of this just for anybody that hasn't heard about this.
00:31:01
Conor Glennon
It's a big pile on.
00:31:07
Killian Ginnity
Conor, Ian Hart basically accused the Irish leagues of holding players back by holding on to them too tightly and trying to charge them too much. Despite the fact that you get better fees out of with the Icelandic league for your players than you do and anywhere in Ireland.
00:31:24
Conor Glennon
Yeah, it like the the crux of his argument was, look, I do think it's an ah it's he's had an unfair amount of pile on. I don't think he was looking for headlines. It was a bit of a throwaway comment. But his comment was around the fact that the a transfer fees for Irish or players in the League of Ireland is hamstringing them in the fact that English clubs aren't willing to pay them and therefore they're unable to get a move to the UK.
00:31:47
Conor Glennon
think, look, he... ah do think look he
00:31:48
Killian Ginnity
I just...
00:31:52
Conor Glennon
was operating as an agent um for multiple players across the league. And I think that may be coming from some potential deals that got burned for him and those burnt commissions.
00:32:03
Conor Glennon
And it it might it might be a more personal thing than an actual belief.
00:32:06
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, like I think we can all understand a frustration, especially with Brexit and stuff, but let's not blame a league for ah external things.
00:32:13
Conor Glennon
yeah
00:32:15
Killian Ginnity
But, um Nate, does he have a point? um ah Is the league trying to charge to it too much for players? I personally don't think so.
00:32:23
Nate
now i don't think so either and just on whatconor had there i think he definitely was looking for headlines because he went for everybody you know also references and like order stuff as well but in in terms of the fees i i think the fees are fine currently like i think we need aim to look upwards i think brexit an issue i think that will ultimately stunt how much money we're gonna get now and in the future and
00:32:55
Nate
but yeah i think to go like oh you've got these gold players and we're asking for too much i think that's that's a ridiculous comment in my mind
00:33:02
Conor Glennon
Well, I think Stephen Bradley summed it up best. He was like, I'll just give Duffer a call and we'll both agree agree to give away our best players for free. like I mean, what what is what's hard expecting? like i mean you know We only recently saw the first million pound transfer or a million euro.
00:33:20
Conor Glennon
It was a million euro, a million pound. it it was It was definitely a million of a currency.
00:33:22
Killian Ginnity
Mm-hmm.
00:33:25
Conor Glennon
um And you know we've had a couple of hundred thousands here and there, but like... It's not too long ago that Coleman was 60K. You know what I mean? like ah Clubs have to make their the return on investment and secure their financial future as well.
00:33:38
Killian Ginnity
i was I would go a little bit further than both you, and I'd say that not only do I disagree with him, I think he's flat out wrong. I think the league needs to be bringing in minimum fees. I think there needs to be set minimum fee that the club isn't forced to accept anything below.
00:33:55
Conor Glennon
How would you structure that, though, of interest?
00:33:56
Nate
well
00:33:57
Killian Ginnity
So like in in Spain, they have minimum release fees, and like every contract has to have one.
00:33:57
Nate
right yeah i think
00:34:03
Killian Ginnity
And I think what you say...
00:34:03
Conor Glennon
So it's per player or is in like is it
00:34:05
Killian Ginnity
it's It's on every player. but So every contract...
00:34:08
Conor Glennon
is it specific? it's specific it's like the same like it's It's a minimum across the league for any player or it's a different case scenario?
00:34:13
Nate
nine
00:34:13
Killian Ginnity
ah
00:34:15
Nate
each have different ones
00:34:16
Conor Glennon
Okay.
00:34:16
Nate
but like the globes out there
00:34:16
Killian Ginnity
they They have different ones. so like Benzman at one stage had a billion euro one. But like ah your upper...
00:34:21
Conor Glennon
Yeah, you always see the big ones. Yeah, yeah.
00:34:22
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, your upper one can go. But like if we set it that like every player has a... like like let' less it let let's not go crazy because like obviously not every player is going to command massive fees and you and you don't want to ah a re-adjudicating of the Bosmans ah kind of thing but if you had like a 60k minimum for outside of the league transfers and a 10k within the league that like below that
00:34:45
Conor Glennon
So regardless of who the player regardless of who the player is, it's it's got to be above sixty k
00:34:50
Killian Ginnity
That is going to, if you're trying, if a ah team from outside of Ireland is trying to sign them. But it doesn't have to be that. That's the minimum that the, ah like the club can go, no, well, we want more than that.
00:35:04
Killian Ginnity
And if you want to activate that clause, it's sixty k And then the between the player and the team, that they can taken ah negotiate that to be higher. So like it they it like me, I'm signing you, Conor, or saying, okay, the league minimum is 60, but I want to guarantee half a million out of you. And you go, okay, well, I know i'm going to be worth 2 million.
00:35:25
Killian Ginnity
So I'll agree to that. Or no, actually, that doesn't suit me. Let's make it 300K. But that is a league minimum. So that... We're not going to see these Seamus Coleman ones where ah you're accepting this fee because, I know if going to get it again.
00:35:42
Killian Ginnity
like we The players in the league is better than that.
00:35:42
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:35:45
Killian Ginnity
And but have by upping our negotiation power, I think as a league internally... We can do that. And if you want to accept lower than that, you can. But that you can turn around to a team and no, no.
00:35:59
Killian Ginnity
we have We have a minimum fee. if you want If you wanted to sign them, you just want to pay 40.
00:36:03
Conor Glennon
to it It basically gives them a leg to stand on. Yeah.
00:36:06
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, you just want to pay 40. We want 60. The minimum fee is 60. So you can pay the 60. Or they can turn around well, we actually want 70, but the minimum fee you is 60.
00:36:16
Killian Ginnity
That has been agreed. So you're actually getting them 10 grand less than we want to.
00:36:19
Conor Glennon
But then, where if
00:36:20
Killian Ginnity
But averaged across all your transfers, you'd be in a better stead.
00:36:25
Conor Glennon
if you're Ian Hart, though, like Plain Devil's i Advocate, where he's coming from, is that unfair, say, if you're 16-year-old kid, has the same release fee as, I don't know, 28-year-old?
00:36:38
Conor Glennon
You know, should it be adapted for, i suppose, years of experience or different factors? Because I think a blanket rate...
00:36:50
Conor Glennon
I don't know that's...
00:36:51
Killian Ginnity
in in in football, years of experience actually puts your price down. like ah The potential and what you might be actually increases more. And just for a let let's give give you a little bit background here on Ian Hart. Ian Hart represented Jack Clark.
00:37:05
Killian Ginnity
And for the whole time that he was at Sunderland, bearing mind that Sunderland allowed Jack Clark to reinvent himself. Jack Clark was a very good talent at Leeds went to Tottenham didn't work out nobody particularly wanted him he went on loan to Sunderland Sunderland signed them became this amazing player and for the whole time he was at Sunderland Ian Hart was in his ear going in his ear going you are better than this you deserve better than this you should be getting higher and was lauding him out at every opportunity that he could until he finally got a move and he got it to Ipswich and he spent most of the year on the bench this is a guy that's more ah business and money orientated than he is football let's let's just put that out there
00:37:42
Conor Glennon
Well, and look, that's not an attack on him. That's the industry he is in for the most part. Any agent or intermediary is that's how they make their bag, you know.
00:37:50
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, like, they're...
00:37:51
Nate
well well like agents should have the best interest to players and her
00:37:52
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:56
Nate
in the house and you know where did that's the right move for him who now was born i think you also then have to go back and look at the comments and then go he's clearly commenta from a biased opinion is if he represents players once more money for players he is then going to get more more commission so like
00:38:16
Killian Ginnity
hes He's trying to protect his own position and the league, I think, should be doing things to protect their position and their team's positions and give them a little bit more ah negotiating power because ultimately when agents are representing multiple players, they can then have a little bit more influence over teams than they realistically should have.
00:38:35
Conor Glennon
Hala, Rayola, Mendes, any of the super agents.
00:38:36
Killian Ginnity
Now... Exactly. Exactly. um And, like... There's another thing as well that we must mention, Nate. Ian Hart's not an agent, despite the fact that he says he is.
00:38:50
Nate
indeed yeah he's ah what was it a scout
00:38:53
Killian Ginnity
ah Officially, he's a scout for an agency because he does not have the license.
00:38:56
Conor Glennon
So, would he be a football consultant then? Would he...
00:38:59
Killian Ginnity
No, so technically he's a scout.
00:39:00
Nate
know
00:39:01
Killian Ginnity
Like, he's a scout like 14, but he's a scout for an agency where they go out, he goes out and scouts players and says, oh we should be signing him because he's going to get...
00:39:08
Conor Glennon
It's a talent identification, basically.
00:39:11
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, yeah. i am But he has been masquerading without license as an agent and up until recently had it even as his LinkedIn profile.
00:39:20
Conor Glennon
you You would wonder if that agency, I think it's SMI was his his agency, sports sports marketing.
00:39:20
Nate
well is
00:39:26
Killian Ginnity
not sure Not sure which one of the letter ones.
00:39:28
Conor Glennon
Yeah, i like you'd wonder, are they going to have, not Jesus, sanctions sounds a bit insane, but surely there's fines coming their way.
00:39:37
Nate
like there is a fee like yet to be verified yeah
00:39:39
Conor Glennon
This next time, isn't there? Yeah.
00:39:42
Nate
so go a
00:39:43
Killian Ginnity
Like at a time when agents are trying to clean up their act and kind of be seen to be a little bit more legit, this within Ireland's sense, the Irish sense anyway, is going put question marks over it. it's going to, it should put question marks into the minds of young players and their, and their parents kind going, we need to be double checking this because apparently international caps is, it's not something you can trust anymore.
00:40:08
Conor Glennon
Well, again, i feel like it's my weekly Glennon talks about the NFL segment. But, you know, one thing that is impressive about the NFL or American sports in general to be a qualified agent, you need to have a law degree.
00:40:22
Conor Glennon
um You know, so like there's parameters set in place to at least have people that can contractually know contracts back to front and help their players. And it's not just a situation like that where it's a talent identification person moonlighting as an agent.
00:40:38
Killian Ginnity
Well, see, I think the where the way football is getting around it at the minute is that you're signing them to the agency. but board yeah how So whoever is signing the final contract is the agent and the person that's dealing with the player one-on-one isn't necessarily.
00:40:56
Conor Glennon
And how the fees are divvy out is for them to decide.
00:40:59
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, and I think that's that's part of the issue where, like, as much as they're trying to clean it up and there seems to be minimum standards, like you're saying with with it with the NFL, and it's more about how the companies are working is is part of the issue. And look...
00:41:15
Killian Ginnity
We've seen issues in the past, and that's for a Premier League example, t Tevez and Masquerano, of multiple ownership and stuff. And we don't want to get to a stage with agents where you are questioning who's taken every piece of the pie.
00:41:31
Killian Ginnity
But you also need to have a level of ah player protection in mind as well, that maybe the agencies as a whole need to be getting licensed and not just the individual.
00:41:41
Nate
well
00:41:42
Conor Glennon
to
00:41:42
Nate
yeah it's like it's an easy fix if the federations and fifa and you afa one to one actually fix it like you know i hate to like go off tarbu but say like a taxi who' like you have like there' a board that gives out a license and you get the license it same for a law degree you get your para licenseence it's like that's how it should be done am my
00:42:02
Killian Ginnity
Well, to actually use your taxi analogy at the minute, it's there's the tax the car is getting the license and what's happening right now is nobody's questioning who's driving
00:42:10
Conor Glennon
Well, it's... Is it a case, though, where like a if they were open about it, is there anything wrong if it was fully transparent of, say, Nate's the qualified agent?
00:42:24
Conor Glennon
ah Myself and yourself, Killian, are talent identification people for Nate. We find him. Yeah, we're in his ear and we're helping him. But when it comes to anything contract-related or finance-related, Nate takes care of it.
00:42:38
Conor Glennon
If everyone knows that's the case, do we think that's okay?
00:42:41
Nate
i think the issue is if you're saying you're an agent like
00:42:44
Conor Glennon
that's what That's what I'm saying. like if If he was open and was like, i just find the players, and yeah, I might give him a bit of advice here and there, but I i think it's the moonlighting as something he isn't is where it gets dirty, really.
00:43:00
Killian Ginnity
In theory, I think it would be okay if you had, like, say, if Ian Hart was player liaison and he was there as an advisor with the team.
00:43:09
Conor Glennon
Like a manager, effectively.
00:43:12
Killian Ginnity
Like an agent, sort of, but without being the legal agent, kind of being, I am i am your one-to-one guy. I'm not going to give you the legal advice, but I'll tell you what I think and here's what our agent has said.
00:43:26
Killian Ginnity
but it's It's just that's just way too open to for people to be able to take advantage of. Like we see it. And part of the reason why there's meant to be these kind of things in places, we see it especially with like Africa, the amount of scams that come out of players being brought over to Europe by these so-called agents or anything like there's a reason why it needs to be regulated. And when somebody in such a high profile position, both in media and in kind of football heritage terms, is not even playing within the rules.
00:43:58
Killian Ginnity
I don't know. it's It's just so muddy and dirty and you would expect better from somebody like Ian Hart.
00:44:07
Conor Glennon
Well, especially because, mean, look, I haven't done the exam, so I can't exactly speak to but I'm guessing it's not the hardest thing to pass. You know what I mean?
00:44:19
Conor Glennon
It's similar to a football coach line about having coach of football coaching licenses and then getting found out. You know what I mean? like i Look, I don't want this to end a career for him. It's not like he's done anything wrong. It's just a bit murky.
00:44:29
Killian Ginnity
Just go get trained.
00:44:30
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:44:30
Killian Ginnity
Go get trained.
00:44:30
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:44:31
Nate
i think the thing is like say he was an actual agent and he was going on media sites and you know doing poy and stuff is like suppose it doesn't matter because he was saying but like i think it opens up the line as like where is the actual conflict of interest and how like how how willing are we to get to that line and that like we're exploring you know i mean and in terms of people need to know this is a
00:45:00
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, when he's commenting on one of his players and saying how great they are and potentially somebody believes that and inflates their fee for the next six months.
00:45:07
Conor Glennon
Well, we've talked about that before, you know.
00:45:07
Nate
like like ah that's certainlyly ini like like like it's and that's why this these licenses in my opinion need to become more stricter and you know harder it to get is these conflict of interest can cause price hikes canlause older issues it's like we as the public and people that watched the sport we like we need to know this stuff
00:45:29
Conor Glennon
But we've seen it before, you know, we talked I think we talked about it not too long ago where, was it Wayne Rooney was doing punditry and waxing lyrical about some player that it then transpired has has the same agent as him or is within in the same agency and that was it.
00:45:46
Killian Ginnity
Ramsdale.
00:45:47
Conor Glennon
That was the exact one. Yeah, so like it isn't new and it's, again, is it just, well look, the knowledge is out there, it's up to you to find it. Do we have to be told these things, you know?
00:45:59
Killian Ginnity
I'm just so glad we can all agree that rules make football better.
00:46:02
Conor Glennon
Oh, you bad man.
00:46:02
Killian Ginnity
Anyway, before we finish, before we finish, ah we we have got some comments on social um from whoever listens or has just seen our social clips.
00:46:03
Nate
a yeah yeah
00:46:05
Conor Glennon
Don't do this.
00:46:14
Killian Ginnity
And those that have only seen our social clips probably aren't even listening to this, but hopefully the news have. um So on TikTok, ah talking about Liverpool, Liverpool have lost one match.
00:46:24
Killian Ginnity
Many as well call this the Excusimar League. Liverpool won the league well before the COVID restriction. Technically, City won the COVID league. Obviously, this is in relation to kind of like... Is this a good Liverpool team or just a very bad run for second that there wasn't that much competition against them?
00:46:42
Killian Ginnity
What you think? Do you still of the opinion that this is kind of a weaker Premier League or have Liverpool been deserved winners this time around?
00:46:49
Nate
still
00:46:53
Nate
i think the level of football dc has been atro is like generally
00:46:57
Killian Ginnity
We're not just talking about you United ad here, Nate.
00:46:57
Nate
that's no and like you call it across the league like i think
00:46:59
Conor Glennon
yeah
00:47:03
Nate
i'd be sure to point out two or three over performers like not on um fires has one but i think in terms of like the actual what we're getting as a product this season's been terrible and let me made that clear that's not liverpool's fault um like that's not to knock against them but i think we can also here and go it's been a very poor primary league season
00:47:24
Conor Glennon
I completely agree with you and on both points. Look, ive I've said many a time this season, Liverpool can only beat who's in front of them. um ah But it has not been, you know, you've got a United team that's poor, you've got a City team that's poor, Chelsea you are still struggling, Arsenal are doing Arsenal things. um So yeah, not a great year, but I think for still chapeau to Liverpool.
00:47:51
Killian Ginnity
Lobby1976 says, who actually cares what these clowns think?
00:48:01
Killian Ginnity
eat
00:48:02
Conor Glennon
Oh, well, we always...
00:48:03
Nate
well clearly he does with his sa here listen or you know make up your mind
00:48:06
Conor Glennon
it takes a lot of effort to make a comment, so we appreciate you spiking the algorithm for us and getting our content out there. So if if anyone else wants to call us clowns, we'll play that horn again.
00:48:20
Killian Ginnity
um Camilo TB, our fan on Instagram. and The only thing that can prevent Liverpool from winning the league, as cliche as it sounds, is Liverpool.
00:48:31
Killian Ginnity
At the minute, I don't see a single club in the Premier League that can keep up with them. I have concerns about the system at times and Arnaud's unwillingness to make minor updates or changes. But, question for you.
00:48:43
Killian Ginnity
Of these first-year managers to win the Premier League, which is the most impressive? Mourinho 0405, Ancelotti 0910, Pellegrini 1314, Conte 1617, presumably slot 2425.
00:48:56
Killian Ginnity
Really good. thirteen fourteen conte sixteen seventeen or presumably slot twenty four twenty five
00:49:04
Conor Glennon
Great question. Very, very good question.
00:49:06
Killian Ginnity
breath it
00:49:07
Nate
i've got my hands so
00:49:08
Conor Glennon
Go for a
00:49:10
Nate
reo four five
00:49:11
Conor Glennon
Yeah, i'm I'm trending that way as well. I'm not just bandwagoning. I think it was... ah ah you Actually, no, you go first.
00:49:20
Nate
i think it kicked off chelsea's dominance in my period and like and what you did with poor oh um the season before and then transition and insultseeingly into ah chelsea name and ultimately build and ah up to what i was i think yeah i like i think it's it's been the best one like
00:49:39
Conor Glennon
I think so as well, because I think that was peak competitiveness within the Premier League. You had a United dominance at that point. you had Every team had a fantastic striker for the most part. like I'm not going to say everyone.
00:49:53
Conor Glennon
I do think, though, to give Arnais flowers, I do think it's top he's in the top three. um I think the only... I mean, look, it's ah it you could caveat in the fact that he was handed a great team by Klopp, but then you could also say to come in after Klopp was a big bloody thing to take on and he's ramming it. But know about you, Kylian, I'm um i'm gonna and going to be the same as our our dear friend and say Jose. Shock.
00:50:20
Killian Ginnity
I'm going to disagree with you, and i'm also going to say i'm I'm going to say that yous are actually wrong as well.
00:50:21
Conor Glennon
Shock.
00:50:25
Killian Ginnity
um I think it was Ancelotti. Because what yous are forgetting when Mourinho won the league, Arsenal had just won it the year before, and it was United the year before that. So there wasn't that period of dominance yet, whereas Ancelotti won it when United had won it.
00:50:41
Killian Ginnity
Three in a row, Ancelotti wins Ancelotti. And then United win it again. And then City. And then United. And then City. So like, Ancelotti was the one that actually turned around fortunes when the league had been walked upon by coming towards of Alex Ferguson's tenure.
00:50:56
Nate
a
00:50:58
Killian Ginnity
So I think he gets a disservice because he was sacked in the second year.
00:51:02
Nate
i think you're downplay are in the i kicked off a dominant period like i did
00:51:08
Killian Ginnity
I don't know.
00:51:09
Nate
i think
00:51:09
Killian Ginnity
i think I think the overall league was a little bit more competitive so there was more points up for grabs.
00:51:14
Nate
but i think that that goes to his testament then as the league was more competitive and he took over that chelsea team won that leg and then started the dominant bur
00:51:23
Killian Ginnity
No, but what what I mean there is like your other opponents could, like, so say the Arsenal's, would lose against ah you United so that there was these opportunities for points to be lost. Whereas when Ancelotti won it, there was a little bit more of a runaway at that period.
00:51:41
Killian Ginnity
Like, yeah, they had one tree in the bounds and some of them were closer than others, but it was like... generally a foregone conclusion and this was prime top four so there's no question about who was going to be in the top four is about who was going to be in what order so for Ancelotti to do it with a ah ah good Chelsea team I will say but like this was after they had had Scolari like they'd gone through a period of not great
00:52:08
Conor Glennon
Was Deco still there at that in that team? Because I know he was in the Scolari team. Because i remember I remember him seeing him play.
00:52:13
Killian Ginnity
yeah was
00:52:15
Conor Glennon
but i like Was it that era of of Chelsea?
00:52:18
Killian Ginnity
it
00:52:19
Conor Glennon
like
00:52:19
Killian Ginnity
yeah, like it was, um like, but the top score that year was Drogba, Czech had the most clean sheets, like, in that year, Chelsea bet Wigan, well, Chelsea bet Wigan 8-0 that year, um like, it was, it was,
00:52:31
Conor Glennon
ah Terry, Lampard, Cole. Yeah.
00:52:36
Conor Glennon
Yeah. what was it Run me through the list again there. So it was Jose, Ancelotti, Pellegrini.
00:52:43
Killian Ginnity
Hellegrini, Conte, and Slott.
00:52:47
Conor Glennon
Conte wouldn't be up there for me, personally.
00:52:51
Killian Ginnity
he he well what one thing I'd give him a bit of credit for in that was like the impact that that five the back system made across the league for that period of time
00:53:01
Nate
can can i add to the marenio one that they won the league by twelve points last season and they almost hit a hundred mark
00:53:01
Conor Glennon
I think...
00:53:09
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:53:09
Killian Ginnity
oh look i'm I'm not saying that it it wasn't incredible
00:53:10
Nate
like ninety five points like in that period where like we're talking about pain and permanent where literally any teams could be an team in terms of
00:53:17
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:53:18
Nate
you know you're you're lower lower leg team could like literally take points offa like i think that sounds more of a testa but youre but you're hitting the nine five s and you know two or three years ago we were raven about her city in livervilleol they keep getting such high pointilee as this and that like marina was doing in two thousand five
00:53:39
Conor Glennon
It was also, that was the year of, like, there's not many teams now that you'd be like, oh, they're so-and-so's bogey team. Like, United going to West Ham was always a fucking war.
00:53:50
Conor Glennon
You know, like, the there was this, I think Nate's right. For me, I just, to pull off what he did, it won't be matched.
00:53:59
Nate
like one one last ah season like you know you're looking at from sixteenth upwards each team had ten wins like ah so competitive you know i mean and i think
00:54:10
Killian Ginnity
ah Ancelotti's Chelsea team had scored the most goals in a season for the first time since the yeah but no that so shout out Camilo and shout out to anybody that has listened all the way to the end of this podcast
00:54:19
Conor Glennon
I have to say that's the best question we've been asked at any episode. Fantastic question.
00:54:30
Nate
tom middlesburg came seven in two thousand and five fucking
00:54:34
Killian Ginnity
yeah well don't forget Middlesbrough a European run
00:54:36
Nate
out in elevenn jesus i
00:54:39
Killian Ginnity
Middlesbrough European run.
00:54:40
Nate
it's grand la i was i was four that years's grand
00:54:40
Killian Ginnity
john
00:54:43
Killian Ginnity
Giannino Paulista. People forget. Also, they had Jack around then. and They also had Viduca and George Boatang, I want to say.
00:54:49
Conor Glennon
Bye-bye.
00:54:53
Killian Ginnity
um Yeah, they had a strong team. Was Gareth Southgate still playing as a centre-back for them at that stage? remember. Yeah. we We will do an episode one day where shows us naming classic players just to scratch that little itch in my brain.
00:55:09
Killian Ginnity
Gentlemen, it's been fun being clowns with you. We'll chat to you next week.
00:55:15
Conor Glennon
but bye
00:55:15
Nate
mo line