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THINGS GET HEATED 🤬 'Sour grapes' debate over PSR in the Prem
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Is football’s financial rulebook broken? 💰⚽ Should clubs be allowed to spend whatever they want, or is the NFL model the future? The boys debate the chaos of FFP & PSR, plus a full breakdown of the January transfer window—who smashed it and who bottled it? 👀🔥
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Transcript
Introduction and Lighthearted Banter
00:00:16
Killian Ginnity
Hello and welcome back to the Not A Pundit Podcast. No, no Boys Own This Week, no Westlife, not even a bit of NSYNC or new New Kids On The Block or whatever the name was.
00:00:28
Killian Ginnity
Connor, you might actually know that, considering there'll be a little bit more your era than mine or Nate's. Gentlemen, how are we doing?
00:00:32
Conor Glennon
Don't age me that dirtily. yeah ah that is That is sheer slander. I am not that much of a pensioner, Christ.
00:00:41
Killian Ginnity
How are we doing?
00:00:43
Conor Glennon
ah Very
Newcastle's Performance and Host Updates
00:00:43
Conor Glennon
well. Newcastle are currently doing better than expected in the semi-final. Let's see if they can get to the final and and break my heart one more time.
00:00:53
Killian Ginnity
Nate, how are you doing? Obviously ah with my ah double dating with the with with the boys, we couldn't have you last week. and How will you keep them?
00:01:03
Nate
I'm glad I'm happy to be back. and I'd like to say I'm refreshed, but you know, you know you'd have to go and lose to another Crystal Palace. So here we are again.
00:01:12
Killian Ginnity
And for at least you actually had the better weekend of the Manchester sides and that's saying something.
Premier League Predictions and Transfer Impact
00:01:19
Killian Ginnity
And we're not going to delve too much into that at the minute anyway, because we are going to look at the January transfer window as a whole and kind of where we are now looking for the rest of of the season.
00:01:32
Killian Ginnity
In preparation, I did actually go back and listen to our Premier League predictions.
00:01:37
Conor Glennon
um nervous
00:01:38
Killian Ginnity
It was a mess. It was a mess.
00:01:39
Conor Glennon
um i'm nervous
00:01:39
Killian Ginnity
um At the end of the season, it's it's going to be grim. But I have to say, I don't think this window is going to massively change a lot of our predictions.
00:01:50
Killian Ginnity
Whatever ones you got wrong, we're way off. And whatever ones we got right, we still seem to be pretty kind of right.
Marcus Rashford's Career Decisions
00:01:56
Killian Ginnity
um I think, though, probably the biggest deadline day kind of deal has been Rashford.
00:02:04
Conor Glennon
I'm nervous.
00:02:04
Killian Ginnity
It has been coming, which Kyle Walker obviously going to Milan, that kind of seemed to scupper that and the fact that Barcelona
00:02:06
Conor Glennon
I'm nervous.
00:02:11
Killian Ginnity
can't even afford to register their own players. He was holding out for a move that literally never could have happened. Nate, what do you think? Is this going to be the reset that Rashford needs?
00:02:23
Nate
and I hope so and whether I think it is probably not and yeah like I think the biggest thing you know if fans probably took from his transfer at the villa is he looks like a lost player let alone is a lost player and it's a big six months from do I think he can do it I hope so I'm not holding a lot of faith and I did find the links to Barcelona very funny you know the most mismanaged club on like probably in history at this point like they can't even register players of the yearly so let alone getting rashred but yeah i hope so i hope he bounces back but yeah little faith for me
00:03:02
Killian Ginnity
The only club I can think of if that was worse run than Barcelona is probably Parma when before they went under. I remember a few years ago they had 200 players on the books, 140 odd of them were out and known.
00:03:15
Conor Glennon
Sounds like Chelsea in the good old days.
00:03:18
Killian Ginnity
It sounds like Chelsea last year. um Connor, that photo of Rashford though, ah like his revealing one, it looked more like Gabby Bonlohorn than it did Rashford.
00:03:31
Killian Ginnity
Not going
Rashford's Mentorship Role
00:03:31
Killian Ginnity
to speak of ah of his mental state or anything like that because we don't know. But just from a physicality point of view, he doesn't look like he's ready.
00:03:39
Conor Glennon
He looks it looks lost and and like you said, look, if there if there's more a play there from ah from a mental health perspective, you know, T's and P's go out to to Marcus Rashford, but ah he definitely looks like he's been in the Daldrums, which he has. um You know, the one thing that I do think is encouraging that the Marcus of Elders potentially still in there is ah even though he was cast aside at United, he was kind of helping out with the youth
Rashford's Fit in Aston Villa
00:04:04
Conor Glennon
players. um Like one player, ah when Rashford's announcement post went up, I think he was a 15-year-old player, commented underneath going, and thanks thanks a million for taking pens with me the other day. So like, it's nice to see there's still a bit of old kind of Marcus in there. um nate Like Nate said, I think it's going to be a huge six months for him. I hope
00:04:27
Conor Glennon
the people he's been surrounding himself with that may not be the best for his career stay far away from him. I ah don't know if that'll happen but my my question for Nate is ah you know obviously apart from the human side of it what month to perform better do you think are you looking out at it hoping he rescues his career so you can try get some cash out of him in the summer?
00:04:49
Nate
and Yeah, like i think a lot I think a lot of United fans will probably disagree with me on this point, but I think it's United Korea's done. I think too much has been done now with Aparin and Peratt as you know there's been talks of falling out, like public falling out, words exchanged. To me, once that happens and you're longed out, that's the end over there. Yeah, I think he needs to go hopefully regain some value on and then start afresh somewhere.
00:05:16
Conor Glennon
What are you saying Keeling? What do you think of the move?
Villa's Decision-Making and Team Morale
00:05:20
Killian Ginnity
Um, I don't think Villa need him ultimately. I think that's going to be a, probably a more defining factor of it. Like it's not like they were screaming out for him or a player like, them like they've been pretty good up top.
00:05:36
Killian Ginnity
Uh, they let when do you go out on loan? So maybe they're kind of thinking that, and obviously John Duran going to Saudi, which would probably touch on again after this.
00:05:45
Conor Glennon
i think it's indirect I think it's indirect kind of result of that.
00:05:46
Killian Ginnity
Um,
00:05:49
Conor Glennon
I think they just need ah they need an extra body and it could work out for them.
00:05:49
Killian Ginnity
well,
00:05:54
Killian Ginnity
To be honest, the only value I see in him is having a reasonable player that can play forward, be that out or out, wide or true to center and being homegrown. Because like to have Marcus Asenio, like what ah what a, ah like I'll be alone, but like what a signing thing. He has potential to really make a difference. I don't get that feeling with with Rashford.
00:06:20
Conor Glennon
I think it's there's it's one of those risks versus reward on this one. and And if it works out, it could be amazing. I don't i really don't feel it will. But like the other thing that I would be curious of is from a locker room perspective, Emery doesn't mess around.
Man United's Team Depth Without Rashford
00:06:39
Conor Glennon
He has a very tight ship he runs over there. Rashford like has had the ultimate black mark put against him that he's a lazy trainer which is the death mark for for a footballer unless you can unless you're putting up you know Ronaldo way back numbers you can't have that against you and also as well like I think they're taking 75% of his wages from if I'm right Nate and like if I'm if I'm a villa player on less than that I'm like
00:07:03
Nate
Yeah.
00:07:07
Conor Glennon
What are we doing here? So I'm dedicated to the cause playing really well. And you bring in this guy for more money than me hasn't he's played. I've nearly played as many Premier League minutes as the guy of late, you know.
00:07:18
Killian Ginnity
Plus, like, when you're after signing Daniel Malin, like, as a fan, I'd imagine you'd want to see Malin more than you would Rashford, considering you're after spending money on Malin.
00:07:29
Killian Ginnity
And maybe maybe the logic is Malin might take but till the end of the year to bed in, and Rashford would be there to kind of fill in on his homegrown slot or whatever.
00:07:30
Conor Glennon
That's what I mean.
00:07:40
Killian Ginnity
But, like,
00:07:40
Conor Glennon
It's a huge six months for Rashford though, because if he if the same reports come out that he's difficult to manage, is isn't training well, it it could be not the end of his career, but it really, really could affect him in the long run. and and ah the same
00:07:56
Killian Ginnity
at the top level it would be anywhere.
00:07:57
Conor Glennon
Yeah, it'd be his dreams of the Barcelona's are, it'll be Barcelona be, you know, it won't be, it it won't be the main team.
00:08:04
Killian Ginnity
yeah
00:08:05
Conor Glennon
And look, I hope it works out for him. It'd be great to see him back, but it's, it's been a good four years since he's been like, it was peak COVID when he was or probably even on the off ramp of that best period of my ride.
00:08:19
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, in in or around then anyway. um na does he elite Does Rashford leave behind a hole in the United team now that they kind of haven't filled?
Transfer Decisions and Strategy at United
00:08:30
Nate
of That's a funny question considering we only have two wingers now. and licy canaco i Yeah, but then when you go, we've got Hoyle and the Xerxes, you can't score a goal between them.
00:08:34
Conor Glennon
but ah
00:08:37
Killian Ginnity
But you don't really play with wingers anymore.
00:08:44
Nate
It's quite alarming to be honest. though
00:08:46
Killian Ginnity
You just have a hammer and you don't need them lads.
00:08:48
Nate
yeah
00:08:49
Killian Ginnity
I'm a hammer coming in.
00:08:49
Conor Glennon
and and And jokes aside, you managed to keep a hold of Grand Atchison and Ahmad through this window, which there was speculation about.
00:08:52
Nate
I don't think we were ever going to sell them. I think it was more just test of the market of anything, but I think in terms of how we've gone about replacing Rashford, I don't think we needed to particularly replace Rashford because he's literally contributing nothing. But I think really think we need to add goals as we haven't. So yeah, it's going to be a very goalless running to the end of the season.
00:09:25
Killian Ginnity
um In the Premier League season preview that we did, the only position that you had actually said, Nate, that you felt at that stage, this was pre-Ugaritae arriving, at the you only position you wanted to see a proper another body in was left back. Do you feel a little bit more at ease with having Dorgu coming?
Liverpool's Transfers and Market Dynamics
00:09:48
Nate
Yeah, I'm happy with that sign and, m you know, he's a player that Amran's clearly gone out and looked at and, you know, big thing about Amran is his full back's are vital to his system. So if he if he likes to look at this guy, then, you know, I'm well on board with it. And from what I've seen, he's been killing it this season in this series. That's been really impressive. So I think it's just about how he transitions now back in.
00:10:16
Nate
Oh, by the way, did you see the tweet on the day he signed that Luke Shaw's return to training?
00:10:20
Conor Glennon
I was going to bring it up. i was like that like it It was something out of like, you know oh God, like bless him.
00:10:25
Nate
You couldn't write it like you couldn't write it.
00:10:28
Conor Glennon
like i mean he's The man's held up together with yeah sticky tape and lollipop sticks. But like yeah, making your first appearance when you when you have a new sign and it's something big. But I don i don't know about you, Nate, with the Rashford side of things.
00:10:42
Conor Glennon
like Is it a case where, you know, Paul Merson came out today basically saying if, if Rashford scores 10 and 10 at Villa, that it could really make Amorim look tick and the board get have have major questions all over his kind of decision making process. I think that's slightly clickbaity in my opinion. I don't, I think that the board have bought into a project rather than just will Rashford work somewhere else in the off chance. But what what do you think?
00:11:11
Nate
and No, because i I think everyone at the club is fully aware of the reasoning behind Rashford, how Rashford's been treated by the manager. He hasn't just turned around one day and gone, no, you're not on the team for this and that. There's clear reasons behind it, so I don't think whatever he does with Villa will impact that or or have any say on it. I think everyone at the club will be hoping he does well because it will drive up his price. and I think the big thing with Amarin now is to stop from fans getting probably a bit eager with saying this and that is we we need to stop leaking the goals.
00:11:48
Nate
It's a very defensive system when and when it wants to be that we need to tighten up. A lot of fans have been frustrated with us not being willing to change the formation.
00:11:58
Nate
I agree and disagree to a certain extent. I'm like, if that's the manager's system, get behind it.
00:12:04
Conor Glennon
Well, it's not of any company situation where it's completely, you be you know, not working.
00:12:05
Nate
Well,
00:12:08
Conor Glennon
Like there's definitely, there's been games there where you kind of see the, the the I suppose, specs of brilliance that could come out of that set up.
00:12:18
Conor Glennon
And I think it's just a case of he needs more time and he needs the guys that he wants in that team. And he needs to just rotate out the deadwood as well.
00:12:27
Killian Ginnity
Is he in the post two months?
Rashford's Career Trajectory
00:12:30
Nate
uh yeah oh yeah no longer longer um no yeah please and no it was like october wasn't it october november no but but like
00:12:30
Conor Glennon
Oh, where did he come in?
00:12:32
Killian Ginnity
ah sure
00:12:33
Conor Glennon
yeah yeah He's been in since the start of the season though.
00:12:37
Killian Ginnity
I'm running. No, he's only, he only came in, well, December, November.
00:12:44
Conor Glennon
Jesus, this season's just melted into, you know...
00:12:44
Killian Ginnity
Well, yeah, but but like even, even said like for anybody to be like Merson. before immersing to be constant aspersions over like his position this soon in.
00:12:56
Killian Ginnity
It's a bit ridiculous.
00:12:56
Nate
one One of the things I've pointed out and I think it's fair criticism is if that formation isn't working and won the games for whatever reason or the players can't carry out the duty, it's on the manager to change that, like in my opinion in the game. So I think it's a fair criticism to have them and something I'd like to see them do is like, yeah, we like the system. We want to develop that system and play that football and get to where sporting was. But we also need to see that we can change and we're not just a one-trick pony.
00:13:25
Killian Ginnity
And considering user these are quite quiet in the window relatively ah and with Dan Ashworth being gone now, who was kind of heading up the transfer policy?
00:13:38
Nate
and Jason Wilcox and I think it was more of a team effort this this time um yeah I'm not really sure what what the the team's gonna look like heading into the summer or whatever but
00:13:50
Conor Glennon
they they did They did a Google Form and sent an email around to to to to the whole club.
00:13:55
Killian Ginnity
They went pure Elon Musk, vote for this feature, vote for this player. And now just cause I think to be honest, the biggest movie that he's did during it and obviously not having the one scapegoat of an Ashworth or a director of football kind of makes it a little bit, um, probably ah plants more blame at the door of Amarin rightly or wrongly.
00:14:16
Killian Ginnity
But I think the biggest bit bit of business he's did and probably the best bit of business he's did was get rid of Anthony. You've got somebody to take him.
00:14:21
Conor Glennon
Oh Jesus, that that is if that's not if
00:14:22
Nate
Hey, respect.
Financial Health of Football Clubs
00:14:24
Conor Glennon
that's not move of the season, I don't know what is.
00:14:26
Nate
Respect Anthony, man the match in his first game, yeah?
00:14:29
Conor Glennon
Yeah, so what happened to him the last, to how long?
00:14:30
Nate
Alright. Now Amren has questions to answer. Why wasn't Anthony playing?
00:14:37
Killian Ginnity
because you Because you were still on the training ground going around in circles. Just to pull it back a little bit, um obviously now John Duran has, is confronted when we were ah recording the last episode, it was likely to happen. It's now happened. um Connor, ah he's a worse commute than I do.
00:14:58
Conor Glennon
yeah His commute is nothing in short of ah i carbon for up and heavy at the least. was what we could say about heat so Due to the the laws in ah Saudi Arabia around kind of partners living together, as long as you're if you're not married, you can like ah a male or female can't live together.
00:15:17
Conor Glennon
so because of that he is living in Bahrain and the area of Bahrain he's in means he's got an 80 minute private jet flight to and from training every single day.
00:15:30
Conor Glennon
ah Now his 320 grand a week tax free should tackle a fair whack at that and I'd imagine that the whatever Saudi ah company or prince is is in control that club is probably footing the bill on that one but even on a
00:15:44
Killian Ginnity
if only there was a petosta that could fund all of this.
00:15:48
Conor Glennon
Yeah, even even with all of that, like i mean it's not good for A, the environment, but without saying like a tree hugger, it's just, it's terrible for even being around the team.
00:15:59
Conor Glennon
It's it's not good for his body. it's it It kind of sums up a lot of the questions we had about Saudi and the fact that how serious are they taking this league in the fact that if they're having players fly that far like I know there's been players in the Premier League like say Michael Owen used to come to a Newcastle in a chopper every day but like I mean it's still insane but you're only going like half an hour.
00:16:22
Killian Ginnity
So Sunderland once considered having a London training facility that to yeah so players could live in London.
00:16:27
Conor Glennon
Really?
00:16:30
Killian Ginnity
It was early days of Ellis Short and they were going to have a training facility down in London so that the players that get bigger names,
00:16:39
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
Ethics and Logistics of High Transfer Fees
00:16:39
Killian Ginnity
they can let live in London, train there and then fly up for the games.
00:16:43
Killian Ginnity
It obviously didn't happen and I don't think it'd be very good. and but like this kind of thing isn't unheard of and these kind of agreements have been kind of done before. Now I know Connor, me and you kind of extensively went in into this last week and Nate, I just kind of want to pick your brain on it while we have you. This is a massive move for the Saudi League. It shows that they're spending a money again.
00:17:05
Killian Ginnity
But they haven't spent a lot of it, and not all the teams have been making these kind of big signings. What what do you think? They're still very reliant on a 40-year-old Ronaldo, and we're after losing a good few of their big names in this window.
00:17:17
Nate
Yeah, I'm a bit confused by it, to be honest. You know, like 30% of me is like, go on, mate, go make your bag at whatever age you are. But then the 70% is like, you know, like you're doing so well. That's so much promise. And, you know, now, however long it lasts out, you will be a waste of your career, in my opinion.
00:17:38
Conor Glennon
Well, that's that's what we were kind of chatting about last week in the fact that look, he's he's looking at 60 million tax free by 25, you know, like ah age 25.
00:17:38
Nate
and
00:17:46
Nate
Yeah.
00:17:47
Conor Glennon
Like, I agree with you, go get your bag kid. But do you think that is career suicide? Or do you think like, is it when I say career suicide? I mean, does that kill us?
00:17:56
Killian Ginnity
is this oscar two point ah
00:17:58
Conor Glennon
Yeah and basically is his peak like coming back and playing for like PSV as opposed to like the levels we all think he could get to currently. Not that PSV is a small club but you know what I mean.
00:18:08
Nate
Well, like the levels we think he can get to is irrelevant now, because he's in the Saudi league, you know what I mean? Whether that's careers is, I don't know, because like you know there's nothing wrong with going making your money and then coming back and playing for a PSV or something. like I think that ah could be all right for him. Yeah, like did I struggle go like trying to think about these things, because I'm like, if I was his age getting offered that much money, what would my answer be?
00:18:35
Nate
know like and i a struggle
00:18:36
Conor Glennon
Also, he's what, Colombian, isn't he? like is in Coming from like a ah ah hard enough background and where you know Premier League money is is insane, let alone that level of wealth, like that is generational money.
00:18:39
Nate
Yeah.
Loan Moves for Young Irish Players
00:18:50
Nate
Like I'm like, I'm always like this way, like, especially when the younger guys go, I'm like, you don't know what like you don't know what to think and you don't know how you think of your about that situation. So I'd never hold a move like that against them, but I'd be very aware of what the consequences to it is, which is, you know, you're not going to reach your potential.
00:19:12
Killian Ginnity
um And speaking of reaching potential, two of Ireland's young and like most talented players um are going to be key, and already are key for us, so have made big moves relatively. um Let's start start off with the less obvious one. And the one that I think went under a lot of people's radars, Gavin Bazounou to standard Liège. Connor. Obviously,
00:19:36
Killian Ginnity
coming back from a major injury. He was out for what, nine months. So Hampton not doing well but and they've signed Ramsdale. So good to get the minutes.
00:19:45
Conor Glennon
I think so. i think it's it Even and from an international perspective, Lucky's fighting against Kevin Kelleher who is in great form. like He's got a lot of game time this year at Liverpool. I think it's going to be hard for him to compete even if he was starting number one somewhere. So I think it's it's important for him to get the minutes in, get get some kind of, let's face it, it's still quite a strong level of football. um And I think he's got, he's still a very young guy. Like we do forget this. Like I know he's been in our sphere for a long time, but in the grand scheme of goalkeepers, he's a nipper like. So he's he's got, I think best of luck to him. I really hope he does well over there. um And it's, I hate calling it development league, but it's it's a very good league to be in to try to hone his craft and rediscover his form.
00:20:33
Killian Ginnity
Nate, do you think, obviously, Leige in Belgium, they were a pretty big team, do you think this is the standard that he should be playing at?
00:20:42
Nate
have I think it's a good six-month loan to get back on your feet after a big injury.
00:20:48
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:20:49
Nate
Do I think it's a standard in easy playing at? No. But as I said, I think after six months you can look and go, you know, could he look at it and hurt a busy side or something like that?
00:21:00
Nate
You know what I mean? Take that step up. Yeah, I think it's a step-by-step from now after that injury.
Irish Players' Career Moves to Turkey
00:21:07
Killian Ginnity
And then obviously the other big move was Evan Ferguson, joining up with a manager who shall be unnamed at wet wet West Ham, Connor. What do you make of that? Because it was only two years ago, he was banging in double figures. And does he have a goal this season?
00:21:22
Conor Glennon
Yeah, I think he's had a tough time compared to where we all thought he would be. ah You know, we saw that with the Ireland team as well. There was not too long ago we were saying that, you know, as a pod we thought he needed to be rested for a couple of games. um Again, I think it's a great move for him because he knows ah Graham Potter, I'll be the first one to say it ah very, very well.
00:21:45
Conor Glennon
ah He knows the system. I think if if anywhere is going to be an easy landing pad for him to try kick on and rediscover that form, it's it's familiarity. um It's slightly strange that it didn't end up being West Ham because the club tried to shut that rumour down.
00:22:00
Conor Glennon
You know, at the start of the window. So I don't know whether it was him pushing it. I know his dad's ah one of his advisors or his or his agent. I don't know. But I think it's a it's it's also a club that has really good values and a strong dressing room historically anyway. and There's still a few kind of.
00:22:18
Conor Glennon
wrong ends in there, but there's there's some good leaders there. So I think it'll be a good opportunity um for to to get back. Like again, it's only like for now it's only a six monther, but like, who knows that could turn into a full on buyout, you know?
00:22:32
Killian Ginnity
and Nate, obviously Potter is in there now, moving on from La Pategi, injury to Antonio. um They need somebody like Ferguson, but West Ham is the place where strikers go to die.
00:22:46
Conor Glennon
That's harsh.
00:22:46
Nate
Yeah, West Ham's a place where older strikers go today.
00:22:51
Nate
I've seen a lot of people like, you know, a lot of West Ham fans are really excited for it and I'm happy for them. It's like they're getting a young striker in the door and I think it's something that they've definitely lacked over the years.
00:23:04
Nate
So yeah, like, ever made like I think we all know that and you know like it's a huge opportunity for him to get back on track huge club if he goes and impresses you know he could get himself a really good move at the summer
00:23:20
Killian Ginnity
uh yeah i think i think it's going to be a very telling telling one for him and if it doesn't work out here he might have to do a troy parrot on it um but ireland irish players going to mad countries is coming a bit of a thing as well mate like festy obisselli going out to turkey like he's probably the first irish player or one of the first in the turkish division that i can think of anyway
00:23:26
Conor Glennon
Thank you.
00:23:44
Nate
Yeah, I can't think of any person off the top of my head. To be honest, I was really disappointed seeing this move.
00:23:49
Conor Glennon
Strange, strange transfer there. Yeah.
00:23:53
Nate
It seems like two steps back. and I don't know why he's been sold to the Turkish League. and like From what I've seen, he was doing all right in the championship. and Yeah, it just seems like a big step back.
00:24:05
Nate
And he he was a player I was really excited about as well. He's got really distinct there distinct play style, you know, he's got all the great attributes. So yeah, I was really disappointed to see that move personally.
Sunderland's Transfer Market Strategies
00:24:18
Conor Glennon
I'd love to know what the agent's fee is on that one because I think that that kind of commanded that transfer. And I don't have any inside knowledge on that. That's just from the outside. But that is a strange, strange move for him.
00:24:31
Killian Ginnity
I think in the scale of Irish football though and the kind of like, listen, we're not a national team that has all Premier League players anymore. I think we are kind of doing a little bit of a disservice to the Turkish division, like there's been plenty of players either post from there or teams that have post from the Premier League and they pay reasonable old money, but they're playing at a reasonable level and they're in the Champions League.
00:24:57
Killian Ginnity
like
00:24:57
Conor Glennon
Oh, as an experience, i i like it he'll have an amazing time.
00:24:57
Killian Ginnity
and his
00:25:00
Conor Glennon
like it's ah It's a competitive league. The fans are absolutely insane in the best way. There's top managers out there.
00:25:07
Killian Ginnity
Like i don I think this is one one of these divisions that is it's not going to stagnate his development, which ultimately for Irish audiences.
00:25:13
Nate
Yeah, but like,
00:25:14
Conor Glennon
i think it i think it I think it lowers the ceiling he can get to.
00:25:17
Nate
I did like detergothegism where players go to develop like, and this is where he should be. He should be got like, you know what I mean?
00:25:23
Conor Glennon
turkey's where to go where Turkey's where you go to get your bag when you're like 31.
00:25:28
Nate
Like even I'd be more optimistic if he was going to an early, busy side because I'm like, okay, get the Champions League. You know, there's that development cycle there where you can push on and play against some of the best teams in the world.
00:25:34
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:25:39
Nate
I just don't think it's the right move from whatsoever.
00:25:43
Killian Ginnity
I'd be a little bit more optimistic than you. It's one of them kind of ones where it'll either be back in the Premier League in a year and a half like well much better for us well off financially as well as physically and experience wise or he'll be playing for like Oxford like
00:26:02
Conor Glennon
I think it's going to be, we'll see him again in about three years and he'll be in the championship at best.
00:26:08
Killian Ginnity
as if If he's with Sunderland, I wouldn't mind that.
00:26:10
Conor Glennon
But you're going to the prem with that.
00:26:14
Killian Ginnity
We're going to be up and down a few times, so it's fine. like and By the time we're getting re-established properly in the Premier League, then he might be a problem. um But by the time Sunderland is fully re-established and convincingly back in the Premier League, Meis and Melia will be, or should be, one of Tottenham's main guys.
00:26:33
Conor Glennon
Well, you'd love to see it. like ah it's It's the first million pound transfer. I can't remember if it's million, you're a million pound, but it's it's it's a mil of a currency um that could rise as high as four and a half.
00:26:44
Conor Glennon
So like that that will be unbelievable for for Rovers. And like a I think he can't move till he's what? It's easy. The January after he's 18.
00:26:55
Conor Glennon
So it's it's a little bit of time before he goes.
00:26:56
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:26:57
Conor Glennon
So let's hope he keeps fit, no injuries. and Amazing move from the manager committee and said that it it and was the club he wanted to go to. So, you know, it seems like you he landed the ideal move for him.
00:27:14
Killian Ginnity
I had to laugh though that when Sky was announcing this deal that they had said that St. Pat's had won the league saying, oh, Miss and Millie had moved from St. Pat's where he helped them win the top division in a very exciting title race. Not great when Sky can't Google.
00:27:37
Conor Glennon
Mhmm.
00:27:39
Killian Ginnity
and But no, i think I think it's an exciting move as long as it doesn't try parrot it being the concern at all.
00:27:45
Nate
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen it today, but Duffer came out and said and he could be, he could have his back against the wall by the time he moves. and To be honest, I sort of agree in terms of, you know, I think it sort of happened.
Man City's Transfer Spending Impact
00:28:01
Nate
Maybe it didn't happen exactly the same to Power, but by the time he goes, he'll be 18 and a half. You know what I mean?
00:28:08
Nate
and You're going to be in a team full of players that have been playing in that academy for years and years and years. So I think you could have very stirring competition, but I would still add all the best.
00:28:23
Killian Ginnity
It's one that when he arrives, he's going to have to be treated as a new signing and not as an academy signing because of that reason. like you can't it's If you sign a player, expecting them to be for the first team, you're going to treat them differently than you are if you're studying an ah academy prospect.
00:28:39
Killian Ginnity
And by the time he arrives, he's no longer going to be an academy prospect. So and it'll be interesting.
00:28:42
Nate
Oh yeah, boy but like I think in terms of like what Duffer was trying to say is like, should he be looking at other clubs in terms of like, is Tottenham the right move, if that makes sense? Like, and you know, to say the top five in the Premier League or whatever. It's an interesting take.
00:29:00
Killian Ginnity
And you never know who will be managing them, but managing them by the time he can sign because poor Hans doesn't, but he doesn't seem long for this Spurs world.
00:29:04
Nate
It won't be nice.
00:29:09
Killian Ginnity
Um, one of the teams that's always dominated our conversations for good and bad has been City and somehow again, they're splashing the cash. I don't know if they got particularly good value for it.
00:29:21
Killian Ginnity
A lot of the players, even I'll admit not to know a lot of them, but Connor, it's an awful lot of money relatively.
00:29:28
Conor Glennon
Well, the spend I was looking at the the spend for the whole league and the Man City have spent more than the rest of the other teams combined, which I just don't understand how they're doing this from a financial perspective.
00:29:43
Conor Glennon
They're already investigat getting investigated on every which way. And from a financial fair play, Newcastle can't Look, it's a bit poor me when I'm saying this, but, like, we haven't brought anyone in.
00:29:55
Conor Glennon
We've sold and loaned out players with the option to buy to try and solve our PSO problems, and they're able to spend more than the rest of the league combined. It makes no sense. And before I go on, for any of the common vultures, yes, I know, Mason Melly does not play for Shammok Roberts.
00:30:09
Conor Glennon
That is going to annoy me for the rest of my week. But back to...
00:30:13
Killian Ginnity
Liam Delab 2.0.
00:30:14
Conor Glennon
Yeah. It's me and Irish players, boys. It's it's not my mastermind.
00:30:22
Killian Ginnity
Nate, what do you think of a city's window? Do you think it's going to improve their form? Are they going to get value for money? Or is this them trying to get ahead of any charges that will eventually bring on worse things for them?
00:30:32
Nate
so I don't think it's going to improve their form. I think they need to have more than a few of them players to do that. And to be honest, so I just laugh at it because it's one or two. It's either the alarm bells are ringing so loud that they need to get the checkbook and panic so much, like, crazily. Or are they are generally scared that the Premier League is about to calm down a little bit. You know, they're going out in panic bars. So I think it falls on both sides of the coins.
00:30:57
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, because they're definitely a lot more um ah like for the future than they are for now. I think some of them could play.
00:31:04
Nate
But like some of them deals were mad. like like I don't know how to spend that much money in January on some of them players. It has to be one or two. I'd be leaning more towards the Premier League angle, to be honest.
00:31:18
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, probably. When you have, what, Kuzanov for 33.5 million from Lens?
00:31:25
Nate
Yeah.
00:31:25
Conor Glennon
Well, all the boys just scream panic.
00:31:26
Killian Ginnity
like
00:31:28
Conor Glennon
You know, Marmouche is, he played okay in his in his debut, but like, I, no, like when you're spending that kind of money, you like, I don't, I'd like, look, don't get me wrong.
00:31:33
Nate
None of them are like standing outside, they're like...
00:31:41
Conor Glennon
They could turn out to be amazing and I could eat my words. I, I, I, it looks like I will be doing that at the end of season review, but yeah, just like underwhelming for the, for the cost output.
00:31:54
Nate
was it, 212 million, was it?
00:31:56
Conor Glennon
or It was like 212, 213, something like
00:31:56
Nate
like Like...
Financial Fair Play Regulations
00:31:58
Conor Glennon
that, yeah.
00:31:59
Nate
You'd want like two to three instant impact players signed for that and I don't think either any of them stand up to that.
00:32:06
Killian Ginnity
The only one I think that's gonna probably walk into the side at the minute is Yaman Gonzalez from Portal, just because he seems like a little bit more of a natural, roger-y replacement.
00:32:17
Conor Glennon
he seemed He seemed like a very late deal that was done.
00:32:17
Nate
the
00:32:20
Conor Glennon
I don't know too much about him. I know i know the Twitter was kind of ablaze with interest in that transfer, but it it seemed to kind of sneak in under the radar at the last minute. It seemed like either they identified him later, or it became available later.
00:32:33
Conor Glennon
I don't know.
00:32:35
Killian Ginnity
I'm not, apparently they've been tracking them from, for ages and they've just kind of been, the hand has been forced, which obviously, Roger, you're not going to come back now to the end of the season that it's like, well, whether we want to pay this level of money for him, we need him now and we can afford it, apparently. Um, like Connor, you didn't ah mention but Newcastle, uh, Lloyd Kelly going to Juventus? Where the hell did that come out of?
00:33:04
Conor Glennon
It came out of my absolute dreams. It is it is the pea-saur stuff of of absolute dreams. and But yeah, no jokes aside, i I really did not see that one coming. I don't even think he did. um Look, Fair played to him not too long ago. He was at Bournemouth, came to the tune, and he's he's now managed to get over to one of the biggest clubs in the world. So Fair played to him.
00:33:27
Killian Ginnity
Is there any obligation to buy or anything like that?
00:33:29
Conor Glennon
Yeah, there is a obligation to buy um a post post ah post loan. I think it's 20 million. um so we
00:33:38
Killian Ginnity
And how much did you spend on them?
00:33:39
Conor Glennon
I cannot remember. I remember when we bought them though, that that was the way that was the window where it was like, we were just getting absolute randos in. like this like This is our third January in a row where we've signed nobody. like it's It's a very barren time up at the tune. like we we I think we've just been trying to put ourselves in a financial place to buy in the summer. like I know we got rid of a Miggy Elmer on.
00:34:02
Conor Glennon
which we discussed last week, great serving at the club, good like probably was time to go, sad to see him go because he's a good kind of ah dressing room guy, but yeah, it's kind of, um between our last summer window and this January window, it's getting a bit stale, you know?
00:34:23
Killian Ginnity
especially when you want to be kind of pushing on but you aren't the only ones that aren't signing in January and again ballsy not to do it mate is Liverpool like maybe
00:34:31
Nate
yeah do they need to that's the question um yeah guys just touching that uh low you can't leave transfer real quick that is there's something dodgy going on there i can tell you that what what it's there's some Saudi payment going into your vendors there or something like to take him off your hands and
00:34:35
Killian Ginnity
not but like it it was a quiet summer Newcastle no
00:34:38
Conor Glennon
Even for competition, get a few guys in to keep people on their toes, you know? It bangs of an Elliot Anderson type.
00:34:56
Conor Glennon
okay You'll see Celebi in their next sponsor, yeah.
00:35:00
Killian Ginnity
How dare you, Juventus is notoriously clean.
00:35:04
Nate
Yeah, and Newcastle love finding creative ways to clean their PSO, but we'll move on. and Yeah, Liverpool, i yeah, it's an interesting one. I don't think they need to improve. like I don't know if there's a standout position that they can improve, to be honest, without spending like a lot of money. And I think a lot of their focus will be on saving their PSO room to see do they have to replace three players at the end of the season.
00:35:30
Conor Glennon
that's jet Like genuinely, I know this just sounds like I'm coming out of it, my black tinted glasses of Newcastle, but like, we need to adjust PS4. It isn't, so its current way is not valuable to growing the resources in the league based off the cost of players now.
00:35:50
Killian Ginnity
Or are we just having this little hangover where the cost of players hasn't adjusted to PSO? Because, don't forget, they were so overinflated when the big broadcast deal came in.
00:35:57
Conor Glennon
ah Yeah.
00:36:01
Killian Ginnity
Like, is this the league just trying to overcorrect from that now? And it might just take a year or two for clubs to kind of go, oh, actually, well, they're deciding not to spend the money.
00:36:12
Killian Ginnity
So, well, if not going to get it, we have to adjust our prices.
00:36:13
Conor Glennon
Well, if well you know if wages keep going up, transfer fees are going to need to go up to accommodate those wages. you know The TV deals are only going to get bigger. The sponsorship, whether it's you know front sponsor, sleeve sponsor, you name it, the money is only going to get higher and higher and higher. so like Yeah, it's something for me needs to change, but I think the more obvious one is is just to adjust what it is currently formatted as because ah look, it's it's I'm not looking to buy Keelian Mbappe, but when we're when we're really delighted to get 12 million player at the door and a potential 20 million player at the door, like, come on.
Impact of Financial Regulations on Competition
00:36:54
Killian Ginnity
I said it last week, I think he's just aren't ballsy enough. Look at Forrest. They took the slap.
00:37:00
Nate
Yeah, why not take a point deduction? Why are you scared?
00:37:03
Killian Ginnity
yeah Just play within the rules, overspend now, break the rules slightly.
00:37:06
Conor Glennon
Boys, this is not the beautiful game. This is not the...
00:37:10
Nate
like
00:37:11
Conor Glennon
who Who are we, Man City? Like, come on, boys.
00:37:14
Killian Ginnity
No, the difference is you'll actually get the points deduction and like he's going to use can afford to drop a a place or two.
00:37:17
Nate
you
00:37:20
Killian Ginnity
Like these are on the edge of Europe anyway. But if he's good, almost guarantee champions league next year by spending a load of money, well, when you're not just do that.
00:37:30
Nate
What happens if all the teams agree to break the rules together?
00:37:34
Conor Glennon
But that's like saying, let's have a steroid Olympics, you know what I mean?
00:37:38
Killian Ginnity
Don't forget, they all have to vote for the rule anyway, so they would be just breaking their own decisions.
00:37:43
Nate
What was it like?
00:37:43
Conor Glennon
I just think, I do think the easier way, like I said, is to scrap, not scrap PSO, there still needs to be some sort of, you know, oversight, but its current form does not work.
00:37:54
Nate
To be honest, I'm at the point where I'm just like, scrap it all. Let them all go free. Let's see what happens. Let's see how quickly we can burn this game now.
00:37:59
Killian Ginnity
the stats.
00:38:02
Conor Glennon
But like i know like I really, going back to the days of like when Abramovich first came in and was just flashing the cash everywhere, like I know you could say it's anti-competitive, unfair advantage, but it was just kind of look at the draw, you're a rich owner. that's some like Like any business, more investment opportunities for richer ah backers. like It's just the way it works. like ah Unless we're going down the route of a salary cap or something that's a league wide to control spending in some description.
00:38:35
Conor Glennon
But I think if you shouldn't be hamstrung because other clubs kind of have the same resources to bring in players like it.
00:38:44
Nate
Yeah, I'll back you up on that. I know people are going to call me biased there because I support a big club. They can spend a lot of money. But I think the leads got more boring the more we restrict clubs.
00:38:58
Conor Glennon
100 percent.
00:38:59
Nate
I think there should be a level that we agree is absurd. But like I want to see clubs signing on real players every window. That's what I want to see. I don't want to see this where clubs are penny pinching here, penny pinching there. To me it makes it boring and makes it more like we're going to towards a franchise type of system rather than an open market.
00:39:21
Conor Glennon
It's perfectly potent, but it also puts off investors investing in lower clubs. like it The PIF wouldn't even bother with an imp switch because there's no point for them. They can't invest the the volume of cash needed to turn that club around. so like it's it's
00:39:40
Killian Ginnity
They bothered about Newcastle.
00:39:41
Conor Glennon
i i will take that I will take that stray bullet, ah but you know
00:39:42
Nate
Look, they've been...
Debate on Fairness of Financial Rules
00:39:47
Conor Glennon
what I mean?
00:39:48
Conor Glennon
like i For me, I like the idea of, I don't know, some Ed Sheeran type with even more cash comes in and can fully invest in Ipswich to really change their fortunes for years.
00:40:03
Nate
See, I think killing you on the other side of the argument, probably to us, personally, because, you know, I think Asunderland is benefiting off of where they can go and get an Enzo, Laffey, or whatever, is, it is two sides of the coin, but like, you know, which one's better for the sport, in my opinion?
00:40:23
Killian Ginnity
ah one thing I'm going to say with the Sunderland thing is we have a billionaire owner as well so we if if there was no rules we could if he so decided despite the fact he's younger than me oh ah he could go and scratch the cash and uh buy the league basically um it's not how he wants to do things and it's not how we we're going to do things regardless of the rules but
00:40:27
Nate
Oh yeah.
00:40:36
Conor Glennon
forgot that
00:40:48
Killian Ginnity
The league has gotten better because of it. Maybe not.
00:40:51
Conor Glennon
The pram.
00:40:52
Killian Ginnity
The Premier League has gotten better in terms of entertainment. We keep saying how great it is to see the likes of Forrest and Bournemouth and Villa and Fulham and all these teams now competing that the traditional big four has been broken.
00:41:03
Nate
Thank you.
00:41:06
Killian Ginnity
And that's only down to PSO.
00:41:08
Nate
is that good for the game though
00:41:08
Conor Glennon
and
00:41:10
Conor Glennon
it's
00:41:11
Killian Ginnity
It's good for the league.
00:41:11
Conor Glennon
There's two sides to this coin, I think.
00:41:12
Nate
is is the dog is
00:41:13
Killian Ginnity
It's good for the league.
00:41:14
Nate
is it
00:41:14
Killian Ginnity
Yes.
00:41:15
Nate
i like
00:41:15
Conor Glennon
Like you look at it like you cited forest there. Forest spent more money than God, brought in more players than, you know, they have room for. You know, Villa have done ah very well, I will say. They've navigated PSO incredibly well.
00:41:30
Killian Ginnity
Forest broke the rules, Forest got the slap on the wrist as per the rules, and Forest have, so like the rules have worked and they've used the rules to great advantage.
00:41:43
Killian Ginnity
It's like ah what Neymar would use, ah get a red card and then go and party with his sister that he definitely didn't fancy. Like you can play within the rules and still break the rules as long as you're actually taking the slap.
00:41:54
Conor Glennon
Yeah, but like we shouldn't we we shouldn't be playing in that grey area.
00:41:55
Nate
in da yo
00:41:58
Conor Glennon
like as in it it shouldn't be ah The only way you can succeed is break the rules, because then if if we're going to have that world, the
00:42:05
Killian Ginnity
No, no, they're the only example we have of that, of it actually working. And that's why they're so fun. But when you look at the likes of ah a Brighton or a Brentford or a Fulham, a lot more sustainable and probably a lot more long-term successful.
00:42:18
Nate
Okay, I'm going to be in a tight little beep real quick, alright? Is it good for the league that Tottenham are Is it good for the league that I don't think it is.
00:42:33
Nate
and i I don't think them clothes would be there if PS4 didn't exist, you know
00:42:34
Conor Glennon
i don't i don't i and I think in the short term for TV viewings, it's good for the league. In terms of long term for the league though, or even medium term, I totally agree with you.
00:42:44
Nate
I don't.
00:42:49
Conor Glennon
like is in don Don't get me wrong. like like every team can have an off season. There was a year, there was that year where, you know, United were in like eighth when Fergie was the gaffer, but like, yeah I agree with you. Like it, it should at least with all the teams, I think the easiest way to put it is every team should be able to equip their team with the resources they want to a point. I think the easiest way to do that is a salary cap, but your transfer fees can be Not unlimited, but put a cap on it. That is higher than available now because all that we're doing for like an every club is doing is financial gymnastics. That is all it is. It's how the hell can we scrape another minion here? And the last point I'll say is, and we've seen this at Man United, especially this whole yeah kind of sell the players that you brought up to get even more of a PS or benefit is so bad for English football. paul
00:43:44
Nate
Oh, it's terrible. And not only that is every march I get told, Manchester United have broken revenue records. They start the other crazy sponsorship deals.
00:43:55
Nate
They start the other. And then every transfer window I get told, yeah, we can't do much for PSR. like a like cute but the The contradiction there is like absurd.
00:44:01
Conor Glennon
What's the point then?
00:44:05
Nate
like oh Fans that pay, they're hard on money to go watch their team. we can't ever reinvest that to whatever degree we deem necessary. To
Competitive Dynamics and Financial Rules
00:44:14
Nate
me that's where it falls short is it lacks basic fundamentals I think where you know there's there's nothing wrong to me and I think we all grew up loving this football is there's nothing wrong with there being five or six big boys.
00:44:30
Conor Glennon
No, and and and I also i also i want the big boys to be able to go and hunt whoever the hell they can convince to come play for them.
00:44:30
Nate
There's nothing wrong with that.
00:44:38
Conor Glennon
like that like Back in the day, like Man United bought whoever they wanted and it made the league exciting. Yes, you could argue it was Bayern Munich, Monopoly, but it I think the product was better then because there was, not that there's poor players in the Premier League, I'm not saying that, but it's It's hard to elevate the players in the league within the current setup.
00:45:02
Killian Ginnity
and lads this is all those sour grips just because you's can't spend the other big clubs can chelsea have city have They're all their charges predate their current rules, so they're still playing within it.
00:45:13
Killian Ginnity
Hasn't stopped Liverpool from spending big. ah Arsenal signed Rice for over 100 million. So this just sounds like youths have financial problems.
00:45:21
Nate
No, it doesn't.
00:45:22
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, youths are bringing the money in, but youths can't balance your books.
00:45:24
Nate
Yeah.
00:45:25
Killian Ginnity
This is a you problem. The league is now more entertaining. Nobody is safe anymore, which is bloody great. We're seeing a lot more. small players and small clubs getting their flowers when they didn't before.
00:45:37
Killian Ginnity
this so ah like The Premier League has never been better and has never been more watched than it it is now. And just because it's not working for you guys, don't be bitter about it.
00:45:47
Nate
Good.
00:45:47
Killian Ginnity
Move on.
00:45:47
Conor Glennon
Nate, is it me or does he sound like a mortgage advisor or is some annoying accountant?
00:45:48
Nate
Good.
00:45:51
Nate
tell Just tell us you want English football to be a franchise system.
00:45:53
Conor Glennon
like
00:45:57
Conor Glennon
yeah and like you He wants a salary cap, a draft, he wants a perfectin'
00:45:58
Killian Ginnity
i
00:45:59
Nate
I'm just saying.
00:46:02
Killian Ginnity
No, no, no, no, no, no. You're the one that to was talking about a salary cap, Connor. You're the one that was talking about salary caps and transfer caps. The way it's working now is do not bankrupt yourself. And just because you use can't get you as a books in order, like how how can Chelsea go and do it and use can't?
00:46:13
Nate
ah no we're not We're not going to find group yourself. We're not going to find
00:46:17
Conor Glennon
Because they are they're fudging those numbers, allegedly, so we don't get sued, they are going to have serious city level issues. And that is why it is so important that city get absolutely pasted for these charges, which they won't, and then they won't, Chelsea won't, and then it's game on anyway, so we may as well readjust the system.
00:46:38
Nate
but but
00:46:38
Killian Ginnity
Well, instead of taking all all this money off of former players and stuff, maybe the likes of a Jim Ratcliffe should be actually putting it into accountants. Because if everybody else can make it work, he should be able to.
00:46:47
Conor Glennon
But where where I don't want it to...
00:46:48
Killian Ginnity
what If Newcastle literally have a state's money and just can't spend it, this sounds like a youth problem, honestly.
00:46:49
Nate
where you when We're not when they're bankrupting ourselves, number one. like ah The money we bring in yearly could pay off our debt every year, like literally every year.
00:47:01
Nate
like so its Because it's it's not...
00:47:02
Killian Ginnity
And why don't yous? You might be in a position to actually spend.
00:47:03
Conor Glennon
but that that's it That's a different, that's a Glazer situation.
00:47:05
Nate
isn's its fine yeah It's not our best interest number one to do it. like that's That's a fact, to especially with BSR. But if the top six clubs are bringing in the most revenue to the league and everyone else is benefiting off that, why should we be strong to use that money?
00:47:21
Nate
like
00:47:21
Conor Glennon
football football is football is about Football is about having the best players who score top-in goals, not having the best accountants and the best suits in the building.
00:47:22
Killian Ginnity
Let's see, this this is why it's better.
00:47:31
Conor Glennon
That is where this is like like we're going that way, where your best asset is going to be your CFO, and that is wrong.
00:47:38
Killian Ginnity
This is why the the league is better, is when you have all of the clubs no longer reliant on these big clubs, when every position is up for grabs, when small teams can actually, no, no.
00:47:48
Nate
No, they are reliant on us. They are. Trust me, if the top six teams left, if Super League came up tomorrow, on the top six teams left, English will probably be left in shambles.
00:47:58
Conor Glennon
on its knees.
00:47:59
Nate
That's just a fact. So did the Spider Club.
00:48:02
Killian Ginnity
As it stands right now, but the thing is, these rules are not for the here and now, necessarily.
00:48:05
Nate
No. no boy we
00:48:07
Killian Ginnity
You have to implement them now for payoff in a number of years. Five, six, seven, eight, nine years ago, Brighton was nowhere. Now they're actually a big team.
00:48:15
Nate
But you can't No. do that. But if five or six big clubs are bringing in the most revenue, you can't then just turn around and go, oh, we're going to pull that back. And this is just a fact. You can call it what it is. Matches you know it all for more English football than Sunderland do. That's a fact because of the revenue that we bring in, the always that we bring in.
00:48:18
Killian Ginnity
What they did. What they did.
00:48:35
Nate
so like
00:48:36
Conor Glennon
It's a more marketable product product that brings eyes to the league.
00:48:37
Nate
definitely how Sunderland, for example, and
00:48:41
Killian Ginnity
So your user are more pushing for the franchise thing. So if you're going down that financial thing, having these imported fans and having no culture is not the way forward.
00:48:45
Nate
No, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, we're we're going for an open market.
00:48:45
Conor Glennon
No.
00:48:53
Nate
we're we're literally going That's what I'm saying is an open market where there is absurdities that you can't do, but let the clubs dictate between themselves. There shouldn't be an overshadow of an overlord that's like, you can't go bankrupt.
00:49:07
Nate
If a club goes bankrupt, the club goes bankrupt, in my opinion.
00:49:10
Killian Ginnity
I'm much happier when there's no there's no teams in administration and in the Premier League and it's been a long time since it's happened. So I think we're in a much, much better position as ah as a league and it's been a lot more egalitarian. It works. Plus, like yeah it's forcing teams to be more clever and like we we can't be saying like oh it's great to see Matoma come in and break through and then say oh but we should only be spending all the big money. If if all this big money becomes the big thing well then you're going to lose players like that into the mix.
00:49:44
Nate
It's factually making football more boring, in my opinion. We want to see superteens versus superteens. We don't get that nowadays.
00:49:50
Killian Ginnity
So you want a super league.
00:49:50
Conor Glennon
But it no, to ah you dangerous man.
00:49:52
Nate
No, no, no.
00:49:53
Killian Ginnity
What you just said was you want to see super teams versus super teams and if the league is so reliant on the big club as well then maybe all the big clubs go together, super league.
00:50:03
Nate
but But then you'd be left with time.
00:50:04
Conor Glennon
that's a bigger That's a way wider question. that like We just want to see the best league possible in the Premier League. and i
00:50:12
Killian Ginnity
So the best league possible was when there was four teams got Champions League and everybody else can go screw themselves.
00:50:12
Conor Glennon
that
00:50:15
Conor Glennon
um but who said no but who says who says it has to be for it this is my point because it I know yes but
00:50:16
Nate
No, no, no.
00:50:20
Killian Ginnity
no but that's what but No, but that's what happened. That ah was a reality for 15 years.
00:50:22
Nate
Let's just see you on the league. Let's just see you on the league. Let's just see you literally on the league. But let me say this.
00:50:31
Killian Ginnity
When PSO and I was in.
00:50:32
Nate
I want to see a Super United team versus a Super Chelsea
Future of Financial Regulations in Football
00:50:35
Nate
team. But I also love the fact that a Brighton can go and beat the United.
00:50:41
Killian Ginnity
And it only happened when the rules came in.
00:50:42
Nate
No, it didn't.
00:50:43
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, it did.
00:50:44
Nate
it's
00:50:45
Killian Ginnity
It literally did.
00:50:46
Nate
Lester literally won the gender discrimination.
00:50:46
Killian Ginnity
When? wait When there was financial rules in place, when the financial rules were in place, maybe not necessarily PSO, but there was financial rules in place.
00:50:51
Nate
Huh? No, they weren't.
00:50:57
Nate
No, no, it was like it was a different era for Bob.
00:51:00
Conor Glennon
But like ah would you would you be but kelly would you be ah would you be opposed to the say what I'm suggesting is that there is no reason why any club in the Premier League couldn't get taken over by a billionaire owner.
00:51:01
Killian Ginnity
the No, it's the beginning of this era.
00:51:03
Nate
It was not too bad.
00:51:04
Killian Ginnity
2016.
00:51:15
Conor Glennon
It doesn't have to be limited. to It was only back then there was four or five, maybe even potentially six teams with really wealthy owners. what What I'm proposing is the entire league could have the 20 richest people in the world all man and owning them. like it Just allow the opportunity because how are the likes of, I know I keep going back to to Ipswich, imagine any of the top the three that came up, how were they meant to compete against Man City spending $212 million in January alone and they'll go spend another bloody $200 million in the summer? They can't.
00:51:53
Killian Ginnity
Well, it's it's happening and teams are actually staying up. Those are a bit more financially clever. And what what you're saying about why can't billionaires come in?
00:52:01
Nate
Thank
00:52:01
Killian Ginnity
Because it was the billionaires that put Portman into administration three times.
00:52:04
Nate
you.
00:52:04
Killian Ginnity
It was sold to three people that were billionaires and it went into the administration.
00:52:06
Conor Glennon
But it was shitty billionaires. There's difference between there's there's there' billionaires who are conmen and snake oil salesmen, and then there are serious operators.
00:52:09
Killian Ginnity
Doesn't matter.
00:52:17
Conor Glennon
And there that's where the owner's test needs to be way more stringent in whatever way.
00:52:20
Killian Ginnity
Well, see, that's, that's a different question.
00:52:22
Nate
but i also think But I also think that big club should be hung up just to protect the little club style.
00:52:22
Killian Ginnity
Whether the owner's test should be better, like Jim Radcliffe and the Glazers. That deal shouldn't be able to happen, but it is.
00:52:28
Conor Glennon
No.
00:52:36
Nate
I don't believe that. like is If clubs are on their own, like I don't think it is.
00:52:40
Killian Ginnity
That's very super Leagie. Oh yeah, it is. Oh.
00:52:44
Nate
I was as a very super leaguey.
00:52:46
Killian Ginnity
Because if you want the league to do well, you have to treat the league and the pyramid. You can't just cater to the big boys.
00:52:56
Nate
But we're not, this is the thing, we're not just catering to the big boys, we're literally, what?
00:53:00
Killian Ginnity
Right now we're not, no.
00:53:00
Nate
I'm literally going, no, I'm literally going, open the market, let clubs do what they want.
00:53:01
Killian Ginnity
But what you're asking for it is.
00:53:05
Nate
And I've said I'm biased in terms of, I'd love you and I to go and buy two 70 million pound players and try and turn a season around. But that doesn't happen anymore. That's the thing of the past.
00:53:14
Killian Ginnity
but no but the thing is it does, it just doesn't happen for United.
00:53:15
Nate
That's the thing of the past. It doesn't, it doesn't.
00:53:19
Killian Ginnity
How much did City just spend this in this January window and how much did this spend?
00:53:21
Nate
And we've,
00:53:22
Conor Glennon
But how underwhelming are those players because they've been so inflated? like the Gone are the days of like a Gareth Bale level signing.
00:53:26
Killian Ginnity
Again, again that's ah that's a different issue. Those inflated fees to the Premier League came in when the billion pound sky deal happened. You cannot blame the rules for other teams going, on well you have the money, give me it.
00:53:41
Conor Glennon
Yeah, but I think myself and Nate's flaming pitchfork of argument comes down to three words. Fuck the rules. like
00:53:49
Nate
We have the money, let us use it.
00:53:51
Conor Glennon
Yeah, literally.
00:53:53
Killian Ginnity
And I'm literally saying, within the rules you can. And if you go out with the rules, if you go out with the rules, take your licks.
00:53:56
Nate
No more chance.
00:54:01
Killian Ginnity
Forest can do it, you can do it. If Chelsea can do it, you can do it.
00:54:03
Conor Glennon
But that is not that's that that that's not...
00:54:05
Killian Ginnity
This is just genuinely sour grape.
00:54:06
Nate
Killian, Killian, in a month's time it's gonna come out, Manchester United have made 600 million a share.
00:54:12
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, and if you've had these in accountants, you'd be able to spend it.
00:54:13
Nate
Yeah.
00:54:15
Nate
But why should we be home-strung to what accountants do?
00:54:19
Killian Ginnity
Would you be better off spending 200 million in this transfer window and taking your six or nine point deduction and end up in 15th?
00:54:24
Conor Glennon
but potato that
00:54:24
Nate
in This is why, this is why football call is, this is why football's got diluted because it's it's being managed by accountants, like literally, like, this is why, this is why is this why the product is worse.
00:54:25
Killian Ginnity
Because what's 13th or 15th?
00:54:31
Conor Glennon
Yeah, suits were on football these days.
00:54:35
Killian Ginnity
Do you want to know why these rules are in place? Do you want to know why these rules are in place? Look at Barcelona. If that can happen, I don't want that to ever happen to Ban United.
00:54:45
Nate
It's not gonna happen though.
00:54:46
Killian Ginnity
so
00:54:47
Conor Glennon
But at the same time Barcelona will never fail.
00:54:47
Killian Ginnity
No, no, no, free market, it'll happen.
00:54:51
Conor Glennon
But Barcelona could be in the most, fight even double the financially ruined as they are. That club's never gonna fall. It's never gonna be a Portsmouth.
00:54:58
Killian Ginnity
It'll, you know, it'll be sold and it'll be sold and it'll be sold.
00:54:59
Nate
But also, he his clothes are these clubs are businesses.
00:55:01
Killian Ginnity
Is that good? No.
00:55:04
Nate
They they should be rammed by themselves. if If a club goes into administration and it's not due to this or that dodgy stuff, like that's a base like it's a business.
00:55:16
Conor Glennon
The only thing I will say with with what with what with with the but with the business side of it though,
00:55:16
Nate
It is literally a business.
00:55:19
Killian Ginnity
Do you know, but just don't know who agrees with me. Just don't know who agrees with me. Newcastle and Manganai considered they voted for it.
00:55:25
Conor Glennon
Yes, but I think that the playing field has changed and and I think that if we're going to go down this whole financial hamstrung side of things, we just need to go fully like the NFL where everyone has the exact same amount of money and it's it's almost
00:55:30
Nate
i'll give it No, no, no, no.
00:55:44
Killian Ginnity
No.
00:55:46
Conor Glennon
communist levels. It's one or the other. You either let the teams run riot or everyone has the same part to play with. you because that like Otherwise, the in-between just
00:55:57
Killian Ginnity
what is so What is so wrong with saying to teams here? so Don't ruin yourselves. Because that's all that's actually wrong here. don't What is the name of the rule?
00:56:09
Killian Ginnity
PSR, profit and sustainability. Spend the money you actually have and can afford to spend.
00:56:14
Nate
For what?
00:56:14
Conor Glennon
But it but the United can't.
00:56:14
Nate
What?
00:56:16
Conor Glennon
They're taking in six, so like I don't even want you to get the big players.
00:56:18
Killian Ginnity
You know it can't because they're billions in debt by their own choice.
00:56:22
Conor Glennon
But you shouldn't, like, okay, think about it this way. Remove football from it. You're a business, I don't know, you sell pesto and you make 600 million a year, or yeah, 600 million a year.
00:56:35
Conor Glennon
And you're only able to go out and spend a hundred grand a year on your CEO. That hamstrings your business. Why shouldn't you be able to go out and get a 15 million a year CEO?
00:56:50
Conor Glennon
That would be able to happen in a business because they'd be able to spend their profits, but you can't in football.
00:56:54
Killian Ginnity
No, i'm bull but yeah, because the league as a league with majority rule have decided to protect themselves.
00:57:04
Nate
your honor i just Your honor, I just like it on the record.
00:57:04
Conor Glennon
but
00:57:08
Nate
Manchester United did not vote for PSR. Chelsea abstained from the vote and the tree dissenting votes came from Manchester City, Manchester United and Aston Villa.
00:57:17
Killian Ginnity
Man United had agreed to the Premier League rules, which is majority voted.
00:57:21
Nate
they vote against yeah yeah they voted against the So just to put that out in the mainframe. But why, as much as you want clubs that don't that can't go under because they have to go in this model, what is wrong with letting clubs run themselves?
00:57:38
Nate
Like every other...
00:57:39
Killian Ginnity
Nobody's stopping them from running themselves. Just run yourselves better.
00:57:43
Nate
No, but why does that have to be...
00:57:43
Conor Glennon
know But they're saying they're saying run yourselves in this very strict lane that we've decided monoy Yeah, it's history and like I know where you're going with this and I do agree with you on this I
00:57:50
Killian Ginnity
what What is one of the best things about English clubs? in comparison to the likes of a Barcelona and why these clubs are too big to fail is because they have heritage.
00:58:05
Killian Ginnity
and
00:58:08
Killian Ginnity
keep the club forever instead of having Why you rely on a billionaire who could decide, you know what? No! Look at Abramovich. He had to sell the club because of things outside of football. We should never be in that position where that has to happen. The club should never be on the brink of disaster.
00:58:26
Conor Glennon
But any entity, again, take it out of the football world, any entity that is as valuable as a Premier League club or any top five club is always going to change ownership multiple times.
00:58:38
Killian Ginnity
But this is not a normal business. This is a business that is self-regulating. This is as if w WWE, Smackdown versus Raw, why would w WWE let Smackdown run itself and run a itself into the ground? No, that's not what's happening here. The Premier League has decided, let's protect ourselves. And that's what they've done.
00:58:57
Conor Glennon
i my My closing argument, Your Honor, is is is that I think at least if we're we were not remove PSOAR, alter PSOAR is my option one, but be scraped and have an actually viable and stringent ah owner's test.
00:59:00
Nate
ah my god
00:59:17
Conor Glennon
that like because What you're judging our alternatives on is shite owners like Vincent Tan back in the day.
00:59:24
Nate
Oh my god.
00:59:25
Conor Glennon
you know like the like um Yes, there have been we could do a whole pod on crap owners. I think we even have.
00:59:32
Killian Ginnity
including one city, including one city before the current ownership.
00:59:33
Conor Glennon
but and can ah like Name a club they've had a shite owner, but we shouldn't be judged on history for what we can do going forward because the world has moved on and we just need to evolve that owner's test to make it like actually worth anything and then run free to a point.
00:59:56
Nate
Plus, not to mention, the rules contradict themselves, literally. Like, do you know what I mean?
01:00:00
Conor Glennon
Well, yeah, that we could be here for like,
01:00:03
Nate
like is it is The rules are so contradict like contradictory that, you know, it actually makes a mockery of yours over my opinion. So I think it should be scrapped.
01:00:12
Conor Glennon
I'll tell you next week, he'll be sat there in a suit. He'll have joined them.
01:00:17
Killian Ginnity
Well, the perfect is the enemy of the good. And I think that was a very good discussion, gentlemen. We leave it there for this week. It's been an absolute pleasure, as always, Connor Glennon and Nathan Byrne. I've been Killeen Ginnity with Chatches next week.
01:00:33
Conor Glennon
but Bye-bye.
01:00:50
Conor Glennon
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