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Dry January - Is it time to scrap the winter transfer window?
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Has the January transfer window become pointless? Is it ever worth the gamble? 💰 Was Sean Dyche’s sacking a mistake? 🪓 A shocking refereeing performance against United — how bad was it? 🤦♂️ Plus, a good old dose of Premier League nostalgia to wrap things up!
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Introduction & Newcastle vs Arsenal
00:00:18
Killian Ginnity
Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Nara Pundit Podcast. I'm Killeen Ghanati and I'm delighted to be joined as ever by Connor Glennon and Nathan Byrne. Gentlemen, how are we doing?
00:00:29
Conor Glennon
another win for the toon i cannot comp complain we are marching forward and just i mean we can't we can't lose i can't complain what about you now
00:00:39
Nate
I am buzzing. We beat the Divas on a suicide Sunday. I've never seen a team on the ground more than Arsenal. It was extra delightful, let's say that.
Refereeing & VAR Impact
00:00:52
Killian Ginnity
What did you make of the referee in performance? Was it, as the United Twitter account said, justice that there is one in the end?
00:00:59
Nate
Honestly, God, it was one of the worst refereeing performances I've ever seen. And I don't know how he got so many decisions around that were like blatantly in his eye. And, you know, the penalty was hilarious, like, although by in there pulled off a David De Gea-esque performance at the Emirates, shall we say. and Yeah, no, he he came up huge and then the boys got it over the line. but and
00:01:26
Killian Ginnity
so Does it give you a newfound appreciation for VAR?
00:01:30
Conor Glennon
Oh don't do that.
Newcastle's FA Cup History
00:01:32
Killian Ginnity
But does it though? Like, yeah this is going back to the days of kind of putting it back on the back of the ref?
00:01:34
Nate
I actually i had this conversation the other day. It was more free-flowing, I felt the game was and like it was. Players weren't checking themselves as much you know in terms of the offside and this and that. There was a few more offside calls the players were trying to be at that little bit more bolder. To be honest, I think I saw more on the outside of like maybe the game looks better without VAR and then with it, but yeah that referee performance was shocking.
00:02:06
Conor Glennon
Suspect I was just bloody glad for once that Newcastle didn't get Arsenal in the third round the FA Cup We'd like four years in a row we getting them and getting trounced
00:02:08
Nate
I think that's the perfect word there.
00:02:08
Killian Ginnity
And that's why we call it sitting on the fence.
00:02:19
Nate
Did you just
Arsenal's Challenges & Injuries
00:02:20
Nate
watch it though? Like they wouldn't stop jumping on the ground. I like i was like, if I'm an Arsenal fan, I am shouting on my TV. Like these bunch of divas wouldn't get off the ground. It was hilarious.
00:02:30
Killian Ginnity
In Arsenal's defense, they were playing with a different ball than what they're used to.
00:02:36
Nate
Yeah.
00:02:36
Killian Ginnity
Like it's the third or fourth ball they've had to play with in a matter of weeks. This isn't okay, guys.
00:02:42
Nate
Is that on fraud watch at this point? Like, janet like they can't score results.
00:02:48
Conor Glennon
Well, like, I mean, now they're even more screwed but with, with Jesus, haven't torn his ACL.
00:02:48
Nate
Unless they're getting dodgy penalties like.
00:02:53
Conor Glennon
I mean, they're in serious trouble. Like they are going to have to make some moves in the market or they are dust for the season. Like it's not like when city won the league without a striker. They, they just can't score for a little more money.
00:03:07
Killian Ginnity
Well, if they did make a move, it'd be a change, because this is a ridiculously quiet quiet January.
January Transfer Window Critique
00:03:12
Conor Glennon
Oh, it's boring as hell.
00:03:12
Killian Ginnity
Like, the biggest move in England that I've seen has been Enzo Lefite to Sunderland. And that's not just me being, like, Sunderland fan, hyperbolic. What else has happened?
00:03:22
Killian Ginnity
Like, we've seen more manager moves than transfers.
00:03:23
Nate
It.
00:03:25
Conor Glennon
It's this PSO nonsense, man. Like it really is. And like, I know, you know, all the clubs voted this in and you created your own disaster, but like, how are we at a point where the greatest talking point amongst any club is which homegrown player are you selling and so you can make room to bring someone in in the summer? Like it's like even, you know, you look at Newcastle, Dubravka's potentially on the move and everyone's going, oh, that'll give us enough room to get a PSO in.
00:03:57
Conor Glennon
We're going to get absolutely nothing in for him. So like, it's not going to do
Newcastle's Financial Challenges
00:04:00
Conor Glennon
anything to us. If anything, it just depletes the squad. Like for us to be able to make a move, we need to get rid of a Bruno or an Esac or a Gordon and which is just not going to happen either.
00:04:10
Conor Glennon
It's like we're, we're stuck.
00:04:11
Killian Ginnity
can't afford to lose them and you can't afford not to sell them.
00:04:13
Conor Glennon
to buy anyone. um like And it's it's one of those that like we are going to have to eventually, if something doesn't change, lose one of them to try give our squad depth. Because you know we've got a handful of very good players, but there's a big crop behind them that aren't. like I mean, Miggie Amaran's potentially going to Saudi. That'll get us, what, 10-ish million? He's got a 60 million bio clause, and we can only get 10. Like, what's that saying?
00:04:41
Killian Ginnity
Like we are 14 days into the window now.
Relevance of January Transfer Window
00:04:47
Killian Ginnity
Um, do we just scrap the journey window? Like, because like, it's not working anymore. i And arguably has it ever, like, I think it it's produced more duds in transfers than it did successes. Uh, it no longer fits the purpose. It's like, as you said, a PS or, but like, what's the benefit?
00:05:09
Conor Glennon
Well, the the money now has got out of control because where it used to be ah more of a valuable window is you could spend five million, seven million, maybe even go mad and spend 12 and bring in um an amazing player. But like when you look at, you know, I don't know, you look back at the likes of it wasn't too long ago, the Virgin Van Dyke was bought in January for 75 million pounds. Like that is criminal. Like if you're looking for money like that in January, even pre-PSR, that's just not going to happen. Like the the days of the Abramovich type bodiesies are gone. like the Like Liverpool could not make that deal now. you know it's it's I think that's why PSO needs to be restructured. Like it's almost just turned January into free agency and loans if it's going to be that level of money.
Historic Transfer Moves
00:05:55
Nate
But like I think the big thing is like it's usually used for teams that are panicking a bit.
00:06:01
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:06:01
Nate
a
00:06:02
Conor Glennon
Or injury ridden, yeah.
00:06:03
Nate
Yeah, like I don't know if any teams fit the bill this season. There's still like half a window to go, um the court season stuff. But like I think in terms of like the actual window, i was like it's it's a utility window, isn't it? like Most clubs are going to do ah their business when contracts expire in the summer. and So like I do think it serves a purpose. And to be honest, Lazy, I've always been going to the January transfer window. so
00:06:32
Killian Ginnity
No, he has happened.
00:06:33
Nate
We have.
00:06:34
Killian Ginnity
No, he has happened.
00:06:35
Nate
we mean
00:06:35
Killian Ginnity
Alexei Sanchez' Mikitarians swap was in the January window.
00:06:38
Nate
Okay, Bruno Fernandez was signed in January, Nathaniel Village was signed in January.
00:06:44
Killian Ginnity
You got your own into the depths there to find the village.
00:06:44
Nate
and No, but like we we have a we have a history of signing players in January, like Patrice Evra, the list goes on.
00:06:57
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, but he used like, I've also signed Zaha and Veghorst. or Igalo. Like, you aren't covering yourselves in glory there, either.
00:07:03
Nate
And so, so Zegers was a brilliant sign. And did you see that knee slide against Newcastle? Yeah. Did you see that?
00:07:12
Killian Ginnity
yeah
00:07:13
Nate
Did you see that? Because I did.
00:07:14
Conor Glennon
He was, I will say, he he got a lot of shit while he played United, but like he was a handy player to have around.
00:07:16
Nate
Because I did.
00:07:22
Conor Glennon
He got a couple of goals.
00:07:24
Killian Ginnity
Oh, look, I'm not criticizing him. He came in and he did the job that he could have done. But like, when you look at, I think just so so many dud January moves, Torres to Chelsea, like big money, big panic.
00:07:40
Killian Ginnity
Like, was the league better off without happening?
00:07:43
Killian Ginnity
No.
00:07:43
Conor Glennon
Absolutely not.
00:07:43
Nate
Yeah, but what's your outlook on the January transfer window? because like It's not the main transfer window, you know what I mean? like It is going to be prone to clothes making panic moves, making moves that probably aren't logical to a certain extent. I think that that's the point in it, is like see who comes in in January and go, like it's a bit of a roll of the dice type thing.
00:08:05
Killian Ginnity
Well, see, but the way that's the way it used to be. Now it's not, because they're not one, they're not even spending anymore. So you you so you're not getting like Alfonso Alves going to Middlesbrough for what, I think it was 10 or 12 million pounds, which is big money back then.
00:08:16
Conor Glennon
something right there it was low yeah low in today's money big back then that's what i was gonna say it's basman rule that is literally what january is becoming and even with that
00:08:18
Killian Ginnity
and yeah no but Middlesbrough back then, I think their transfer of record was like eight. So like it was above their record. Um, like that there, that was the panic days. And that's when I went as fun cops aren't even doing that anymore. They're not even using it. So like, I get it as a kind of like most, most business done now is pre contracts. Like, yeah.
00:08:43
Killian Ginnity
I'm loans, but like,
00:08:45
Conor Glennon
Yeah, like I.
00:08:46
Nate
Yeah, but I love the loan aspect. Was watching a loan go from one club to the other guy like, okay, did they make a mistake by loaning them out? Or was that a good loan by the club? like
00:08:59
Killian Ginnity
I don't know, it's it's just like when they're there so tightly um focusing the money in the league now and like there's so many rules around what you can and can't do.
00:09:11
Killian Ginnity
clubs aren't willing to or are unable to spend so you're not getting the fun and elements of them but like if and when they do then they're severely severely punished which then ends up ruining them potentially for years to come. So it's it's it's now such a lose-lose situation of a window that Would you not rather just have, as we have now, free transfers
Memorable Transfers & Impact
00:09:37
Killian Ginnity
throughout, maybe make loans throughout and then your, but your Bozmans from January and just forget these.
00:09:37
Conor Glennon
Hmm.
00:09:43
Conor Glennon
Well, I also think the thing that like ah that hasn't really been discussed and maybe it's just because the like the league don't really want to highlight it, but like Is it down to managers aren't lasting half as long anymore and clubs don't want to spend twice a year?
00:10:00
Conor Glennon
Like they've, how many times are have managers been recycled at that? They've only got one window in them or max two. And then it's, then they have to rebuild, you know, we got, we got a, yeah.
00:10:07
Killian Ginnity
Well, what it might actually give managers a bit longer of a tenure when they're kind of going, right, we only have the summer. So if we're going with this manager, we real peace we have stick with them for the year.
00:10:20
Conor Glennon
And I would be in favor of that. like i mean to be Let's be real though, but with the amount of money in football right now, that still wouldn't keep a manager in a job. But we're getting to a point now where so many managers are getting 10 games, 12 games, 15 games, and getting the sack. and and And I'm sure we'll well we'll touch on Daishi getting the boot and Moisey coming back in. and but I'm just getting fed up with a merry-go-round that is managers in the Premier League. it's it's There's no building a team anymore. And then then you look at, even in the people that have built a team, bringing it back to Arsenal, you look at Arteta and yeah, he's really turned them around, but what have they won? I'm moaning saying managers aren't getting enough time, but I do think he is one of the people that has had, he came in in what, 22?
00:11:15
Killian Ginnity
something
00:11:15
Conor Glennon
Like, I mean, he's he's had a good stretch it now.
00:11:18
Conor Glennon
He's had a massive injection of cash. And I'm not saying that he's a bad manager. Like, I mean, they're they're second in the league, third in the Champions League. You'd absolutely kill to be in that position.
00:11:28
Conor Glennon
But they're stagnating.
00:11:33
Killian Ginnity
Before we move on, lads best and worst January transfer moves.
00:11:40
Conor Glennon
i I have won that
Significant January Transfers
00:11:42
Conor Glennon
in the absolute worst and I think it sums up the January transfer window and it sums up what used to be Newcastle United.
00:11:50
Killian Ginnity
one That was big.
00:11:50
Conor Glennon
I enter into the chat one John Allen Boom song. 8 million 2005. Now 8 million doesn't sound big now but like your reaction suggests that was massive money back then but what makes this even more of a complete travesty so this transfers 2005
00:12:04
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:12:09
Killian Ginnity
Was he from Juventus?
00:12:12
Conor Glennon
Well, he prior to where we got him from, I can't remember, but where we got him from was in 2004, he was available on a free transfer.
00:12:23
Killian Ginnity
right
00:12:24
Conor Glennon
Then he joined Rangers and then we bought him from Rangers like four months later or for eight million quid.
00:12:26
Killian Ginnity
um
00:12:30
Conor Glennon
So we spent eight million quid on a bloke who was free four months prior. Like that is what goes back to Nate's point of it's when you're up against the wall, oh my god we need a defender.
00:12:41
Conor Glennon
The only thing Boom Song did at Newcastle was get the bench press record which is still there but that is the only thing that man added to the club's history.
00:12:49
Killian Ginnity
Right. You can lift the weights but not the team.
00:12:52
Conor Glennon
did pretty Pretty much.
00:12:53
Killian Ginnity
but
00:12:55
Conor Glennon
Do you guys have anything worse than that?
00:12:58
Nate
um worst oh this is difficult um i think Fernando Torres is up there isn't it um yeah but also but also expectation yeah um obviously Mikatarian and uh Alexis Sanchez definitely up there like yeah yeah i know
00:13:06
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:13:06
Conor Glennon
Is that price tag, do you think, like or just all in?
00:13:09
Killian Ginnity
I think expectation.
00:13:16
Killian Ginnity
That was just bad for everybody.
00:13:19
Conor Glennon
See, again, I wonder what i wonder with transfers like that, though. Is that just situational you know of what was going on at the club at that time?
00:13:26
Nate
No, because like, we were buying a world beater that was at Arsenal and then, you know, what we actually got was just crazy.
00:13:32
Killian Ginnity
In Manchester United,
00:13:35
Nate
Like, but did we though? Like, that drop off was, ah, like, I could be one of the biggest of all time, like,
00:13:43
Conor Glennon
The Taris one was just sad if anything, you know, like yeah was I was, I was literally, I was about to say, would you say it?
00:13:46
Killian Ginnity
Well, the Taurus was never the same after it was the Euros of the World Cup and like had a not great, not a good start with Liverpool. It was after he cut his hair.
00:13:58
Conor Glennon
It was when he cut those locks, he became shy.
00:13:58
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:14:01
Killian Ginnity
yeah And then Liverpool were like, Hey, and we have an asset that we can see on the inside isn't working. Nobody else seems to have figured that out yet. Let's let's just splat.
00:14:12
Killian Ginnity
If they're going to splash the cash, let's go for it. I have a few ah bad ones. um can Kim Kallstrom, he doing joined Arsenal on a loan.
00:14:20
Conor Glennon
Oh, yeah.
00:14:23
Conor Glennon
Swedish Kim, car yeah.
00:14:24
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was he Leon or...
00:14:26
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:14:26
Killian Ginnity
stay yeah and He joined them with a broken back and he made like two appearances.
00:14:32
Conor Glennon
Joined with like, as in they didn't find it in the medical or they knew.
00:14:35
Killian Ginnity
I think they knew and were kind of like, oh, he'll he'll he'll he'll come to.
00:14:36
Conor Glennon
Oh my God.
00:14:40
Killian Ginnity
One of my favorite terrible ones is is a player that we've actually spoken about for his terrible time at this team before is Benny McCarthy at West Ham.
Impactful Transfers & Player Careers
00:14:51
Killian Ginnity
This is when West Ham were just buying all of the strikers.
00:14:54
Conor Glennon
but Yeah, I was about to say they but they bought like five strikers that year.
00:14:55
Killian Ginnity
None of them could support. and but
00:14:57
Conor Glennon
I got like a goal between them.
00:14:59
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, like they had ah they had Frederick Piquillon, Benny McCarthy, they had Ilan, they had Guillermo Franco, and they still had Vazte and ah as ah as a as as a youth, I think.
00:15:11
Killian Ginnity
um It was just, they had, I think Medo even came in at one stage there.
00:15:15
Conor Glennon
I wouldn't be surprised if he was parachuted in in an attempt to get goals.
00:15:19
Killian Ginnity
like it was just absolutely horrendous like it was just one of them kind of moved and like they paid money from like I think they paid five or six million but like you paid money I think potentially the worst one though a ah yeah because it like it hurt the team he left so badly And he was so fun at the team that he left.
00:15:44
Conor Glennon
I think I know where you're going with this.
00:15:44
Killian Ginnity
ah And it was one one of them kind of players, you're like, class. Just don't move because you're going to do, you're going to way over perform where you are.
00:15:53
Nate
Can I say who I think it is before he's there?
00:15:53
Killian Ginnity
its
00:15:54
Conor Glennon
Go for it, yeah.
00:15:56
Nate
Dimitri Boyer?
00:15:57
Killian Ginnity
No.
00:15:58
Nate
Oh.
00:15:58
Conor Glennon
Andy Cole?
00:15:59
Killian Ginnity
No.
00:16:00
Nate
Okay.
00:16:00
Killian Ginnity
Although Cole could go for it. Wilford Boney.
00:16:04
Conor Glennon
Oh, yeah.
00:16:05
Killian Ginnity
25 million.
00:16:07
Killian Ginnity
Like, what was the point? i For the song alone, he shouldn't have moved.
00:16:07
Nate
Score some goals for Swansea.
00:16:11
Nate
That was a buyer.
00:16:12
Conor Glennon
but
00:16:15
Killian Ginnity
like he just
00:16:17
Conor Glennon
and
00:16:17
Killian Ginnity
yeah like ah But he just never looked to be at the level of City, even when he was at Swansea. And it just killed Swansea's momentum.
00:16:31
Killian Ginnity
And then he even went back to Swansea and it was just not the same. It was just like, like, what's the point?
00:16:36
Nate
Is Adebayor a show?
00:16:40
Conor Glennon
When he went to City?
00:16:42
Nate
Yeah, like I feel like he gradually got worse as he moved. that me
00:16:47
Conor Glennon
Well, if him him running the entire pitch to knee slide against Arsenal was worth that January transfer.
00:16:47
Killian Ginnity
or
00:16:51
Nate
That's iconic. Yeah.
00:16:53
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, a hundred percent. That knee slide, I think that was kind of the arrival of City. It was kind of like, okay, we can actually do something here. Like we're not, we're splashing the cash and we're going to have some fun.
00:17:05
Killian Ginnity
Cause I will defend them for a few money windows of City. Cause they were just so random and they were, they were great. They were proper. Like who remembers Joe playing with Martin Petrov and Ilano, like
00:17:19
Conor Glennon
I was about to say Alano.
00:17:19
Nate
for thinking now.
00:17:20
Conor Glennon
He was unbelievable. Him and Petrov had a thing for a while. They were cooking.
00:17:24
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, but that that was um under the previous billionaire, the Thai guy who had brought in Spain.
00:17:29
Conor Glennon
Oh, the one who du was the Elvis impersonator.
00:17:32
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:33
Conor Glennon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:34
Killian Ginnity
But like that that whole kind of or early takeover city and ah just before was class because you had like Benjani up front for a while.
00:17:44
Killian Ginnity
I think this think they spent like eight or nine million to get him from Portsmouth.
00:17:48
Conor Glennon
Redknapp has a cracking story.
00:17:48
Killian Ginnity
We've all heard.
00:17:50
Conor Glennon
i am i I implore anyone to look up that story online.
00:17:51
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, go on.
00:17:55
Killian Ginnity
and
00:17:55
Conor Glennon
Basically, he went...
00:17:56
Killian Ginnity
It's great in Redknapp's voice, you so do listen to it, but Connor, what was the gist of it?
00:17:56
Conor Glennon
but
00:18:01
Conor Glennon
basically, banjani had no interest in moving and ah he He was like went to red and he's like gaffer gaffer. I really don't want to go and Banjani is not worth whatever eight or nine million pounds. So harry was like no no banjani I think I think you'll have a great time up there, you know, your family will really love it And he was like no gaffer. I really don't want to go and he was like I will drive you there Myself you are going I am sorry
00:18:31
Killian Ginnity
like He ended up on on as a January loan deal for Sutherland a year later.
00:18:31
Nate
Thank you.
00:18:37
Killian Ginnity
So he did.
00:18:38
Conor Glennon
I will say Benjani back in the day. Great play. like
00:18:40
Killian Ginnity
Oh, like but again, he at Portsmouth. Just that time at but again, that Portsmouth team is incredible. Actually speaking of, Sol Campbell is in an ad for Google, which is just just wild.
00:18:50
Conor Glennon
Go Pixel. it is one of I have to say, ads with football players are usually not great. And as they go, that one was pretty good.
00:18:59
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:19:03
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, he's just so unlikable though.
00:19:05
Conor Glennon
For those who haven't seen it, we'll put it up on our socials and and you can let us know what you think.
00:19:05
Killian Ginnity
Oh yeah.
00:19:09
Conor Glennon
But ah it ah i I personally enjoyed ah the the the annoyance of Tottenham Hospital fans. and So that that went down well. But OK, enough of the bad.
00:19:22
Conor Glennon
I'm going to propose one very good one, um mainly based off price and longevity. Seamus Coleman, 60 grand, still there.
00:19:33
Killian Ginnity
oh yeah
00:19:35
Nate
I'll take the easy one,
00:19:35
Killian Ginnity
Yeah. At least he's still there.
00:19:38
Conor Glennon
I'm also, well, yeah, I also, I know we touched on it earlier and eight you you brought it up, but outside of Coleman, I think take out the price tag, Coleman might not be on that list, but one person who was absolutely on that list is Nemanja Viddich.
00:19:39
Killian Ginnity
He's not managing them.
00:19:54
Conor Glennon
That arguably, he's in the conversation for Man United's best defender and definitely the hardest one of all time. And I think the impact that he had on that team with his his partnership with Rio,
00:20:07
Conor Glennon
It's hard to look past him as as he's he's in the pantheon of best-run UV transfers.
00:20:08
Nate
whyin
00:20:12
Nate
Yeah, like what the impact he gave that team like from way where he came as well, you know, Spat up Moscow like we didn't know what we were getting and you know to find a gem like that was was crazy and my two I'd say would be first I'd probably say Luis Juarez from Ajax deliverable and
00:20:34
Conor Glennon
and And that fee even, that was around the 20 odd mil, if I remember, it was somewhere in there, which, I mean, absolute steal.
00:20:35
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:20:37
Nate
Yeah.
Underrated Transfers
00:20:42
Nate
I mean, like they literally got a world-class player for 20 minutes and they like, um, I'll even say, I think they got lucky not to win a league with them. Um, you know, so like to me, that, that, that transfers right up there.
00:20:50
Conor Glennon
100%.
00:20:56
Nate
And then I've got to back my boy. I think Bruno Fernandez, like a player that we were looking at for a whole year, the impact he came, he had when he came in, like, and still has to his day.
00:21:08
Nate
You know, I think he's, I think he's been worth every penny.
00:21:11
Conor Glennon
I know we've given them shit over the years, but but i mean i would I would struggle to see what that United team would have looked like the last couple of years without him in it.
00:21:12
Killian Ginnity
a lot of money though.
00:21:23
Nate
I mean like it's 250 goals.
00:21:23
Killian Ginnity
It was a lot of money.
00:21:25
Conor Glennon
It is a lot of money. 47 million quid is a lot of money, but I think he's paid that bank. yeah
00:21:32
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, I just don't, I just really don't like him.
00:21:32
Nate
um But the great thing, Killian, is I love that you don't like them, but I love them.
00:21:35
Killian Ginnity
He's such an unlikable player.
00:21:40
Nate
You know what I mean? I want my players like that. yeah You don't have a player, that's fine.
00:21:45
Conor Glennon
one One, if we're going on the other side of the money sphere, that definitely now, you know, but when I say who this is legacy wise, it didn't exactly pan out for him, but Catenio was a January transfer, eight and a half mil.
00:21:46
Nate
That's how it should be.
00:22:00
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:22:02
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, he was enter, wasn't he?
00:22:05
Conor Glennon
Yeah, and he was absolutely prolific.
00:22:05
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, he was great. I think we forget how good he was at Liverpool.
00:22:10
Conor Glennon
Like the end of his career is,
00:22:10
Killian Ginnity
And like, profit alone, the profit alone would have him ranking as one of the best January transfer signings.
00:22:16
Conor Glennon
Oh, yeah.
00:22:17
Killian Ginnity
What was that, 130 odd he moved for?
00:22:18
Conor Glennon
if ah In the end when it would with-ons and that, but like, I mean, I even take out a salon, like there was a stage there where
00:22:23
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:22:29
Conor Glennon
he was he was in that kind of like fab four that Liverpool had running in it like he was first man on the team sheet he was terrifying to play against and he was pulling out some Ronaldinho level skills like he was so like people one of those I hate saying it but the streets will never forget you know
00:22:47
Nate
yeah
00:22:47
Killian Ginnity
yeah
00:22:48
Nate
and
00:22:49
Killian Ginnity
Actually, speaking of that, one that's under often forgotten that was a January move and again was so undervalued in what they paid for him, Mares,
00:22:49
Nate
like
00:23:01
Nate
Yeah.
Sunderland Transfers Reminisced
00:23:02
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:23:02
Killian Ginnity
Telesor.
00:23:02
Nate
yeah
00:23:02
Conor Glennon
Yeah. He was again like 20, 15.
00:23:03
Killian Ginnity
and
00:23:06
Killian Ginnity
for four k hes He signed Telesor for 400k.
00:23:08
Conor Glennon
Stop.
00:23:11
Nate
All right, are you ready for my last one?
00:23:14
Conor Glennon
Okay. Money alone just before you hit at night.
00:23:17
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:23:18
Conor Glennon
Money alone. That's like God level trial. I fully thought he was like 12, 15.
00:23:20
Killian Ginnity
Oh. No, no, he was under half enough.
00:23:23
Conor Glennon
So we're like, wow.
00:23:25
Killian Ginnity
Ridiculous.
00:23:25
Conor Glennon
so
00:23:26
Nate
You ready for my one?
00:23:27
Killian Ginnity
Go on.
00:23:28
Nate
Okay. Robert Hooves on loan to window league.
00:23:32
Conor Glennon
ah I mean, you're not, I mean, I'm, you're not, he was, he is arguably one of the biggest brick shit houses the Premier League has ever seen.
00:23:43
Nate
He was on rail that season.
00:23:43
Killian Ginnity
He is a slabhead. He is a proper slabhead.
00:23:47
Conor Glennon
Oh, like he is all, all time slab head player. Like he hard as nails, good footballer. Like let's, I know we're joking about him, but like at what he did, very good.
00:23:59
Nate
May I add, from Stoke City, by the way, to win the Premier League?
00:24:02
Killian Ginnity
yeah yeah
00:24:04
Nate
Like, what what a crazy ah upturn there.
00:24:07
Conor Glennon
he's He's one of those players, though, that doesn't fit in today's game. but And he had the most specific role imaginable in a team. Like a Rory de Lappe, again, Stoke legend, like a very particular set of skills in in in the words of Liam Neeson.
00:24:24
Conor Glennon
but
00:24:25
Killian Ginnity
But like, that was one of the things that like the likes of a cloth or anything like that. You'd see a player and you go, I want you to do this one thing.
00:24:32
Conor Glennon
and do it well.
00:24:33
Killian Ginnity
You could be a striker and you're playing center back because you're good ahead. That's all I wanted to do.
00:24:37
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:24:37
Killian Ginnity
That's all you need to do. And I think that's kind of like an underrated element of football nowadays. I have a couple that I need to mention because they're Sunderland and it's the only Loven that we're going to give them.
00:24:46
Nate
Okay.
00:24:49
Killian Ginnity
Carlos Edwards, I think we signed him from Luton or Rex, I think it was Luton, but he came in in the January way after Roy Keane arrived and he scored crackers.
00:25:03
Killian Ginnity
He only scored from 25 yards out.
Evolution of Transfer Strategies
00:25:06
Killian Ginnity
The whole We were fourth fourth bottom of Christmas and we got we won the league.
00:25:06
Conor Glennon
was that Was that the year you were bottom of Christmas and went up?
00:25:11
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:25:12
Killian Ginnity
And he was our right winger for that and scored banger after banger in like the most crucial games. And he was my favorite player growing up. He's from Trinidad, absolute class.
00:25:23
Killian Ginnity
And I mean think he's think he's still playing, um not professionally, but he's still he's still going around and he's like in his mid 40s.
00:25:32
Conor Glennon
Carlos, if you're listening, happy to have a chat.
00:25:33
Killian Ginnity
Wow. Oh, like I would fan girls severely. And another one was Stefan Sesignon. He was a January move and he's again absolute baller.
00:25:43
Conor Glennon
Oh, yeah.
00:25:46
Killian Ginnity
We got him from PSG, which is wild. Johnny Evans on his long move to Sunderland from United in the championship and in the Premier League, which was unbelievable.
00:25:57
Conor Glennon
That was back in the days where, although Kino and Fergie had fallen out, Fergie did sooner than a lot of solids around that time.
00:26:04
Killian Ginnity
No, he didn't.
00:26:05
Conor Glennon
He sent a lot of players up that motorway.
00:26:06
Killian Ginnity
We took a lot of players off of United's hands that they were happy to get rid of. And Johnny Evans, we paid more than double his wages.
00:26:16
Killian Ginnity
Oh, it was great. He was a perfect value for money. But we got no favors out of Fergie. We took Kieron Richardson off his hands. We took Phil Barnsley off his hands.
00:26:16
Nate
Yeah, but look at the bottom here.
00:26:28
Conor Glennon
He could have blocked that though.
00:26:29
Killian Ginnity
um
00:26:31
Conor Glennon
He really could have.
00:26:33
Killian Ginnity
Fergie blocking money. Never.
00:26:36
Conor Glennon
When you name those players again, I love thinking of players like that, like Phil Bardsley, another all time brick shit house, ah Karen Richardson, he really could have had like absolute pinger.
00:26:44
Killian Ginnity
That freakin' against Newcastle was unbelievable. Left footed over the wall. ah But my favourite January transfer window for someone, sorry Connor, is...
00:26:53
Conor Glennon
Um, one,
00:26:58
Killian Ginnity
and like Just to put this in context now, I'm gonna really build this up. We had Josie Altidore, the American striker.
00:27:06
Conor Glennon
He was good as well.
00:27:07
Killian Ginnity
No, he wasn't.
00:27:08
Conor Glennon
Yes, he was.
00:27:08
Killian Ginnity
He scored once in two and a half years.
00:27:11
Conor Glennon
Not for you, but was a good player. like
00:27:13
Killian Ginnity
Oh, as a player, yeah, great for America.
00:27:14
Conor Glennon
yeah
00:27:15
Killian Ginnity
Great in America. For us, oh my God. And I so wanted him to do well, because he was at one stage the highest transfer fee out of the MLS when he went from what was then New York Metro stars before Red Bull came in.
00:27:29
Killian Ginnity
to Villarreal. So when i when we got him, I was like, class, didn't work out for a whole, but it's gonna be amazing for us. Literally scored once. And we traded him to Toronto for German Defoe. It was a swap, one to one deal.
00:27:47
Conor Glennon
Defoe was another January transfer as well when he went, I'm going to say West Ham to Spurs.
00:27:52
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, he was.
00:27:54
Nate
Or it was a Portsmouth.
00:27:55
Killian Ginnity
No, at not the first time first time, because he went west on spurs to follow Rednup, because Crouch did pretty much the same.
00:27:55
Conor Glennon
No, West Ham Spurs. Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:03
Nate
Okay.
00:28:10
Conor Glennon
that That era of, of kind of that Spurs team, that Portsmouth team, that just Harry era was
00:28:16
Killian Ginnity
Oh, that Portman team, I could go on forever about, like, Lauren, Hymer Radisson, David James Ingalls, Nico Crenshaw, Kanu.
00:28:24
Conor Glennon
yep Yep.
00:28:29
Conor Glennon
Prime, like a Kanu when he should have been passed at Kanu but was Prime.
00:28:29
Killian Ginnity
Kanu!
00:28:34
Killian Ginnity
Oh, unbelievable. Um, Distan was there.
00:28:37
Nate
My first day, my first United game was against that board with him and the what do you call it, a goalkeeper got sent off and one other player got sent off.
00:28:41
Killian Ginnity
Oh.
00:28:45
Conor Glennon
He would have been back then like Tim Howard or something.
00:28:51
Nate
I think it was Tim Howard and Rio Ferdinand had to go on goal and face a penalty. I think we lost Trina.
00:28:57
Conor Glennon
I remember this. yeah
00:28:58
Nate
I think we lost Trina. I remember walking out of the stadium just pints flying through the air from both sides trying to smash each other. Oh, that's mental.
00:29:08
Conor Glennon
Before we move on, boys, I have one more one more transfer to add into the mixer.
00:29:08
Nate
And I've
00:29:12
Conor Glennon
and it's okay It's a very Harry era transfer, but ah Clint Dempsey, New England Revolution to follow him, £2 million.
00:29:12
Nate
won more than that after.
00:29:21
Conor Glennon
pounds
00:29:25
Killian Ginnity
unbelievable player so good like so underappreciated like even when he went to ah Spurs he was great like he's such a good player like he was part of that Fulham team that got to the Europa League final like plus he was a rapper which at the time was just wild
00:29:42
Conor Glennon
Yep.
00:29:45
Conor Glennon
Yeah. i i was i was I think that was pre-social media where he could have been absolutely battered for being a rapper. but ah Oh God, it's going to be something incredibly American.
00:29:55
Killian Ginnity
Always his rap name. Fun fact.
00:29:56
Nate
Oh... Glen Doar's on the roof.
00:30:00
Killian Ginnity
Yeah. No, no, no.
00:30:02
Conor Glennon
excuse
00:30:02
Killian Ginnity
It was his shirt number. Deuce.
00:30:05
Conor Glennon
Oh Jesus.
00:30:05
Nate
Oh! Interactment.
00:30:08
Conor Glennon
I mean something else.
00:30:08
Killian Ginnity
Clintense-y. Collapse.
00:30:12
Nate
my My final one is, and shock and horror to United won.
00:30:17
Killian Ginnity
o
00:30:18
Nate
Patrice Ever from Monaco to United for five million.
00:30:21
Conor Glennon
For that jacket he wore on the signing day alone, I veto that.
00:30:21
Nate
I think...
00:30:23
Killian Ginnity
yeah
00:30:25
Conor Glennon
but
00:30:26
Nate
No, I think like did what we got out of him as a left-back for that prize was on unmatched, I think. So yeah, that thing...
00:30:35
Conor Glennon
That defence you guys had around that time was just unbelievable.
00:30:41
Nate
Like yeah, like I think the funniest thing is like Gary Neville is probably the weakest link in the model He was still such a player
00:30:48
Conor Glennon
And Gary Neville's like, arguably, I mean, actually it's a nice segue into it, but like best right back of all time is a Gary Neville or is it Karl Walker?
00:30:49
Nate
i
00:30:59
Conor Glennon
Because Karl Walker's obviously like asked to leave city now and it's looking like he's moving to get away from the media because of personal reasons that we won't go into. But do you think Walker or do you think Neville?
00:31:13
Conor Glennon
I think Neville based on longevity.
00:31:16
Nate
I think Navel as well.
00:31:18
Killian Ginnity
Oh, I don't know. Like.
00:31:23
Conor Glennon
They're very different players in very different eras in very different systems. So like they are, it is a bit apples and oranges.
00:31:27
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:31:30
Nate
ah like I think how you can compare, like the only way for like the sort of can compare it is like longevity currently.
00:31:30
Killian Ginnity
Like.
00:31:39
Nate
And I think the impact that they've had on their side, like I think we've seen over the years with city is like, if you take one out, like what's, like, is there a huge drop off?
00:31:50
Nate
You know what I mean? Um, where I feel like for a guy and able to hold that right back slot down for as long as he did show, like showed out. you know, vitally was set up.
00:32:01
Conor Glennon
And that was it that was in an era where man, you know, I would buy whoever they want.
00:32:06
Nate
Yeah.
00:32:07
Killian Ginnity
But they also didn't necessarily spend, they weren't always spending and to replace people, if you know what I mean. They were always like going for a little bit more calculated. lift If they didn't need to spend it, they weren't going to spend it.
00:32:17
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:32:19
Killian Ginnity
Like, yeah, like when you consider the number of like team of the years and everything and the titles and all that, you have to kind of give it to Neville. But like, it was better players.
00:32:25
Conor Glennon
also from a leadership perspective. and there're oh there But this is the funny thing. like like as z if We're saying Gary Neville is possibly the greatest right back of all time, and there is better right backs.
00:32:35
Killian Ginnity
In, in the Premier League, in the Premier League.
00:32:37
Conor Glennon
Primarily, if we're saying, I'd put him up, maybe not the best right back of all time, all leagues, but he's definitely top three.
00:32:38
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:32:45
Nate
I think he's clothed. I think the big thing is like in that United team, as you said, how good that defense was, he was like the only player that wasn't bought. You know what I mean?
00:32:56
Nate
So like if they wanted it, like they could have gone and bought a different right back.
00:32:57
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:33:00
Nate
But it was clearly yeah very, very useful.
00:33:05
Killian Ginnity
Like I think that there's other players that don't get the kind of love that they should. Um, Seamus Coleman should be in that conversation. Cause again, he, like he was been so good and so consistent in a team that has for the majority of his career been mediocre.
00:33:22
Killian Ginnity
Um, and he's always performed better
Best Premier League Right-Backs
00:33:25
Killian Ginnity
than the team.
00:33:25
Conor Glennon
ah But I think I think You raise a good point in terms of I suppose it's hard to define Best right back ah like are we going off? what attribute are we saying here because the the one thing the thing that i'll I would say the Coleman's better than Neville in is Coleman is The ideal soldier you point him in the direction tell him where to go and he'll he'll do what you need him to do and like but I do think then again from a
00:33:37
Killian Ginnity
yeah
00:33:53
Conor Glennon
impact and, again, leadership and standards.
00:33:56
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:33:57
Conor Glennon
And I'm not like Jesus, I'd have Shames calling my team any day of the week, but I think Neville still edges it for me.
00:34:03
Killian Ginnity
Like Lee Dixon deserves to mention?
00:34:05
Conor Glennon
Yeah, ah yeah, he does.
00:34:06
Killian Ginnity
like similar similar reasons, ah but another player I just can't not have mentioned is Stephen.
00:34:08
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:34:12
Killian Ginnity
um Even my Liverpool fans, he is so underappreciated.
00:34:14
Conor Glennon
Yeah. and ah
00:34:19
Conor Glennon
Well, like I mean, he you see any of the interviews from that era of of the Istanbul team and he was that team. He was the glue guy. He was just at that point probably like at that point, he was definitely top three, but no one would have ever said it.
00:34:31
Killian Ginnity
he's
00:34:39
Killian Ginnity
Well, it's like Gary Neville now. no Like if Steve Finnan was doing the same amount of media that Gary Neville is now, there'd be a lot more similar conversations about Steve Finnan as there is Gary Neville, where like people are kind of starting to kind of go back.
00:34:49
Conor Glennon
Recency buyers have seen a Montelli, yeah.
00:34:52
Killian Ginnity
No, but not even that. It's like when you have the professionals around saying, no, Gary, you were actually great. And Gary being like, oh, no, I was i was fine. I did my job because no, you were very, very good in a very, very good team. Steve Finnan, the man has been on a missing persons list for over a decade now. and And if he was in Gary Neville's position, you would have his teammates going on kind of going, hey, wait a minute. And that would make people kind of go, actually, do you know what? Yeah, he was bloody damn good.
00:35:19
Conor Glennon
i I mean, I think it's one of those where because yeah, because he just faded into the abyss, you've kind of forgotten what he did as a player, you know?
00:35:30
Killian Ginnity
he He's one of the only players to have scored in I think the top five divisions in England.
00:35:30
Conor Glennon
Well, like, you
00:35:37
Conor Glennon
love to see stats like that. i get
00:35:39
Killian Ginnity
so It was so something like that, or he was the first one, because like, oh no, what what it was, he was the first player to play in the conference, up the leagues, the Champions League and a World Cup or something like And like, you forget how long of a career he had, like he even played out in Español for like four years as well, but everybody
00:35:53
Conor Glennon
Jesus Christ.
00:36:03
Conor Glennon
when you When you look at players like him, it just reminds me of that 2002 Ireland team. It's like, how the hell did we have that level of talent in this country? And then the drop off like is worse than the Torres drop off.
AC Milan's Interest in English Players
00:36:19
Conor Glennon
you know
00:36:20
Killian Ginnity
Yeah like it's... Ireland is very much kind of like England and in that sense where it's that kind of like what if, what could have been.
00:36:32
Killian Ginnity
At least we kind of have a figurehead to blame whereas they just had gross incompetence and egos.
00:36:36
Conor Glennon
yeah
00:36:40
Conor Glennon
before Before we move off the transfers, boys, I know but it seems like AC Milan is the only interested party in Walker at this point. And a certain Marcus Rashford is also on, on and I suppose, a shortlist that AC Milan are looking at. ah Now, is there any truth and in that Rashford conversation, or is it or is it just pure agent and speak? Because the the thing that I'm querying is is they, since Brexit,
00:37:09
Conor Glennon
ah UK players count as non-EU players, so pretty much AC Milan can only buy one of Rashford or Walker, unless they want to give away a non-EU spot. So is the conversation even real? And then I'll throw it to both of you. If it is real, which one would you take?
00:37:27
Nate
Yeah, like there's definitely conversations going on. I'm not sure how like advanced they are. Yeah, like I think they've seen a lot of shown over the last little while that they're looking to go after some English players.
00:37:40
Nate
Well, Tammy Abraham's there, Tamari, off the sheet, they're looking for Rashford or Walker.
00:37:44
Killian Ginnity
Not his cheek.
00:37:50
Nate
and Do I think it's a good move for Rashford? I'm not too sure. I think he'd have his expectations probably a bit higher. Is there room for him in that squad? I don't know.
00:38:03
Conor Glennon
His expectations would be higher, you think?
00:38:06
Nate
yeah like ah See that's the thing, is like his expectations versus reality are going to be doing very different things for him.
00:38:13
Conor Glennon
Well, is there anyone else circling around him?
00:38:13
Nate
and
00:38:15
Conor Glennon
Because I haven't heard much talk about him.
00:38:17
Nate
There's been like Dortmund looking and stuff like that. Rumours about Arsenal.
00:38:23
Conor Glennon
Hmm.
00:38:23
Nate
I don't know how true that is. Yeah, I think it's all just really messy with Rashford right now.
00:38:29
Conor Glennon
So if you're AC Milan, both of them are available to you, who you pick in Walker or Ashford. I suppose age plays into this with Walker being, what, 33.
00:38:35
Nate
Oh.
00:38:38
Nate
Rashford 100% like I think walkers I think walkers drop off in the next year it is and be frightened and he because you come back in a clip this is everyone like I I think the type of player he is he relies a lot on pace and I think we're gonna see a sharp decline
00:38:57
Conor Glennon
and And I also think you there will be studies done on the the level of drop off of some Manchester City players, like shout out Kevin De Bruyne from last week's pod, you know Walker.
00:39:11
Conor Glennon
We've got ah plenty others we can name, but Cillian, what are you saying? You're AC Milan's director of football. You got Rashford, you got Walker. Who are you saying? You got to pick one and because I know you're probably going to say pick, I'm not picking one.
00:39:20
Killian Ginnity
I wouldn't choose either.
00:39:23
Killian Ginnity
The smarter money is Rashford, age alone. They're both going to have astronomical wages. I think Rashford as well, he has the ability to have a bit of a sell arm and I don't mean that just because of age but like it's a whole lot easier if he has one good season out in Italy or even a season and a half or two seasons.
00:39:23
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:39:48
Killian Ginnity
you could get a reasonable fee in a couple of years, i'm probably from the like sort a West Ham or something random them like that.
00:39:53
Conor Glennon
what do What do we think United won for Rashford? Have they even said it?
00:39:57
Killian Ginnity
I think they just have to go for a 30 odd million. What can you ask for?
00:40:02
Conor Glennon
Will they get 30 million though?
00:40:04
Killian Ginnity
If they did, I don't think it would be a bad deal.
00:40:07
Killian Ginnity
What would you accept now?
00:40:07
Conor Glennon
like that Do you think yeah which you think they can get 30 million?
00:40:11
Nate
Yeah, I think a lot of the... I do think he retains value quite well. I think name alone, what he's shown in the past, I'll be how inconsistent that's been. I think he's very much a player that's looked at as if we can get him going, we can get him going type thing, you know what I mean?
Everton Managerial Changes
00:40:32
Nate
Like 30 to 40 minutes for Ashford seems like a steal to me.
00:40:35
Conor Glennon
I don't know. like i maybe Maybe I'm just biased from from you know British media and and and reading all of that, but it wouldn't be. I think you could spend 40 million better.
00:40:49
Killian Ginnity
Oh yeah, absolutely good. But and they're not looking to get them on loan, and and at least initially.
00:40:51
Nate
Good, you know.
00:40:55
Conor Glennon
I'd say, you know, I did. I don't know. Now you might know more on this, but I'd say they just want rid of them. Cause if he go, if they have them on alone, he goes, or sorry, if they put them out and loan and he plays a wonder season, are they screwed? Then going, we have to put them back in the team, even though Amoram may not want to put them back in the team.
00:41:14
Killian Ginnity
Could be a loan with an obligation.
00:41:14
Nate
No, like I think the option to sell him is still there like because if he goes, but also if he goes and has a ah class season, there's also a higher chance to sell him on for more. So like to be honest, I think if he does go out on loan, that's the end of Rashford. It's like full stop. I think it'll be like a slam jump situation. and But yeah, like I think if he if he goes and does well on loan, that's better for us.
00:41:41
Conor Glennon
speaking ago and we had the sad news recently that uh none other than uh i'd love to say friend of the pod uh he is in my head uh sean dyche um was relieved of his duties uh we don't exactly know what happened i suppose depending on on what article you read he decided to leave and in others he he was uh forced out the gap, but, Killian, what's your take on it? Obviously, David Moyes coming in great to see him back at the club, but what's what's your take on Daishi getting pushed out?
00:42:12
Killian Ginnity
On Dyche going, and ah it's for what what I think is most realistic is was one of the ones that I think is probably most commonly being reported is that ah he basically told the um the new ownership that he can't take the team on any further. and Now, I would imagine that would be with the caveat of kind of going without major backing or but without a big overhaul, I can't take the nita team further.
00:42:37
Killian Ginnity
Um, and I think the ownership kind of just not really forced into making the decision, but like if they want to be selling out the the stadium before it's knocked down forever in the move to the new one and get a feel good factor that kind of need to finish the season strong.
00:42:55
Killian Ginnity
So yeah, that's that's why I think it's kind of forced.
00:42:55
Conor Glennon
The timing was really strange though.
00:42:58
Conor Glennon
you know like he like On the day of the game, he's relieved of his duties.
00:43:02
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, that's why I kind of think that they would feel that they were kind of forced into a kind of going, well, if you don't think you can do the job, well, then why would you keep you in it?
00:43:10
Conor Glennon
See, I don't know if that i don't know about Unai, but that doesn't sound like Sean Dodge to me. i don't think ah like He's humble enough to to admit that he may not be able to bring him to the next level, but I don't think he would.
00:43:15
Nate
Yeah.
00:43:22
Conor Glennon
The way the media are portraying it, it sounds like he just said, oh, I'm done with this lot. I can't bring this lot any further. And I think you're right, Killian. It was probably caveated without investment, without backing, without support.
00:43:33
Conor Glennon
What what about Unai?
00:43:34
Nate
like The thing with a habit on matchday, I think that's more of a PR thing. i think like you know We all know with when managers leave or sack, an NDA gets signed and you can't say anything.
00:43:45
Nate
them So I think it becomes there was very yeah you know good for the club if they sack them on matchday and go, boo-hoo, look at us if we lose tonight. you know' gonna
00:43:55
Conor Glennon
I just wonder what like how soon do the previous, there's no way he said on match day, I can't bring them.
00:43:55
Nate
i
00:44:01
Nate
No, that's what I'm saying is like, I think it's, it's, it was done with the view of a PR move that if, you know, Peterborough came to go to sort of back this in and be like, yeah, well, we only had two interns on four hour notice.
00:44:16
Killian Ginnity
Like I do think there's another thing that can't be on understood as well as the new owners are American.
00:44:21
Nate
Yeah.
00:44:21
Killian Ginnity
And theyre they're also the owners of Roma who are on their fourth coach this year.
00:44:24
Conor Glennon
Well, I was going to say they've had a tumultuous time and managers.
00:44:26
Killian Ginnity
So like any indication of weakness, I think they just hop on it.
00:44:27
Nate
But like,
00:44:31
Nate
ever ten i like Everything is just a funny club at this stage, aren't they? like Who knows what they are currently? like you know well we're We're approaching a third relegation battle in like four years, is it? Come on lads.
00:44:47
Killian Ginnity
the They really remind me of that West Ham team before Big Sam went in, just kind of teetering on the edge of relegation, spending stupid money and not getting any results for it and kind of just going through a good few managers.
00:45:01
Killian Ginnity
Like they.
00:45:01
Nate
And may I add, their team is shite. like
00:45:06
Conor Glennon
tell Tell us how you feel, Nate.
00:45:08
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, be honest now.
00:45:08
Nate
like who like like Let's just put it on the table, lads. They can't get a manager appointment right. you know They can't find players with a bit of something about them.
00:45:18
Nate
God bless Jacob Ryan on the bench there. you know ah done His head's on my ass.
00:45:21
Conor Glennon
i'd say hiss I'd say his regrets.
00:45:22
Killian Ginnity
He did very well. He did very well in the first game under the guys.
00:45:27
Conor Glennon
He did, yeah, and i and I hope, I would like to think under the likes of a David Moyes, he'll get a chance.
00:45:28
Nate
Yeah.
00:45:33
Conor Glennon
and and like like I am glad to see David Moyes back in the club, I think it is a good appointment. I'll be interested in what you guys think, but I think it's a good appointment, not even just from a PR perspective, but I always got the vibe from him when he left.
00:45:47
Conor Glennon
He only left, I don't even think it was the money of Man United and I don't think even he thought he was the guy from Man United. I think he just thought he owed it to Sir Alex when Sir Alex said, I picked you and he didn't really have a choice. And I think he kind of always had a bit of unfinished business at Everton. And ah look, he's a he's ah fantastic manager, an old school manager that's able to adopt somewhat part of of the new school and he's good at playing youth. So I think it's only good, good things for Everton.
Everton's Struggles & Managers
00:46:15
Nate
I disagree personally. yeah I think it's a backwards move. and
00:46:19
Conor Glennon
It's not off the hatred from the United days or genuinely.
00:46:21
Nate
No, I've got no feeling towards David Wise, trust me. I think it's a backwards move. I think, you know, everything in our club they need to get with the times, and you know, I think we've seen with our last three or four appointments that you know, I think they're sort of stuck in their ways from the last 10 odd years. I think they need a bit more of a forward thinking manager. as Because like, let's be real, they've they've got the money to go out there and buy good players, like in terms of of like what they spend on that current squad, as if they were a bit more smarter with it, and a bit more up to date with what coaching is now. I think i think the club will be in a well better position.
00:47:04
Conor Glennon
Katie, what are you saying?
00:47:06
Killian Ginnity
I think it's a solid appointment. um I think it's a sidewards appointment from Daish.
00:47:12
Killian Ginnity
The new manager bounce should give them um the jost enough to kind of have a credible finish. I'm really interested to see who's going to be their big fucker.
00:47:24
Conor Glennon
yeah
00:47:25
Killian Ginnity
Moiz always has a big fucker. He had Fellaini and then he had Suchek. And he had the Yak. He loves a big fucker. And I'm mad to see who's going to be the next big fucker.
00:47:34
Conor Glennon
If you shout out Yak, if he was a January transfer, he wins. I love that man.
00:47:40
Killian Ginnity
He was so consistently good. Middlesbrough, Portsmouth, Everton. ah Feed the yak and he will score.
00:47:45
Conor Glennon
Man doesn't lose. He will score, yeah.
00:47:49
Nate
quiet just Just a quick question.
00:47:49
Killian Ginnity
um
00:47:51
Nate
Do you think Everton are like in need of a relegation?
00:47:55
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:47:55
Conor Glennon
I don't, I...
00:47:57
Nate
up as I do.
00:47:58
Conor Glennon
i i I agree with you, my fear would be if they went down they wouldn't come back. And it could be and it could be a lead situation where they were they'd flounder for a few years.
00:48:07
Killian Ginnity
I think they come back because the parachute pavements are very generous. The only issue is they can't get relegated this season or next year because they can't afford it with the stadium.
00:48:16
Conor Glennon
Oh, and then they'd be in real trouble. Jesus, then it would be leads.
00:48:18
Killian Ginnity
Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's the bigger
Sean Dyche's Potential Roles
00:48:22
Killian Ginnity
concern. If they got relegated last year, it would have been fine.
00:48:25
Nate
like ah i
00:48:25
Conor Glennon
I cards on the table boys, you know, obviously, you know, everyone knows I'm a Newcastle fan, but I've very much a soft spot for everything.
00:48:26
Killian Ginnity
all
00:48:33
Conor Glennon
I, as Moisey call them, they are the people's club. but I think there's another world in which I could have been wearing blue. So I'm a bit biased on this one.
00:48:40
Killian Ginnity
oh
00:48:43
Nate
Yeah, I apologise to our Everton listeners. Does this come from United fan? You know where we are, but like lads, these are fucked. I don't know what's going on there.
00:48:50
Killian Ginnity
no
00:48:51
Nate
like
00:48:53
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, it' it's, they're in a really, really difficult kind of and situation. But I think, I think Mois will be fine. I think it'll be fine. Do you think this sacking is ruined Daish in the Premier League's eyes?
00:49:07
Conor Glennon
um I don't. I think it's ruined the caliber of club he can go to. um I don't want to kind of speak ill of teams like Southampton because great history, great club.
00:49:22
Conor Glennon
I think that's the kind of team that he'd be able to go to. It'd be an insane move to do. um
00:49:29
Killian Ginnity
You can't even go there because and like the reason they hired hired Russell Martin in the first place was because of his style of play.
00:49:30
Conor Glennon
but
00:49:35
Killian Ginnity
they want They don't necessarily care about having on-field success if it's being played the right way.
00:49:40
Killian Ginnity
or in
00:49:40
Conor Glennon
Yeah, but I think like whether whether like whether it's available or not, I think that's kind of if he's going to be a Premier League manager, that is.
00:49:48
Conor Glennon
the level he can be at. i One thing I should say and, or not even should say, and what I like to see was Moise called Daishi and was like, you know, I know ill will here. Like they're good pals. He was like, I wasn't waiting in the wings and you know, it it just happened. And he, and apparently Daishi was like, look, it seemed like the right time for me to go. And he had a feeling they were sniffing around.
00:50:14
Killian Ginnity
Nice, do you think we'll see Dyche back in a Premier League job? I think we'll see him back in the Premier League, probably through a promotion, but do you think he'll go straight back into a Premier League job?
00:50:19
Nate
yeah but iss like yeah because i just think he's like a utility teller now like and i mean that in a nice way possible and like he's
00:50:30
Conor Glennon
Where do we think, though?
00:50:35
Nate
He's done it to himself, I think. like I don't feel bad for the guy because I think he's done what he's done. like you know theres There's definitely more to Sean Deutsch's football than I think we've seen.
00:50:47
Nate
I'll that.
00:50:48
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:50:49
Nate
I think he's tried to play it too, say, for Everton. I would have liked to see more expansive football. Come on, Deutsch, make your football coach. you know We can try and score goals, you know what I mean?
00:51:00
Conor Glennon
Well let's not forget Sean Dyche is that old school type of manager where one day a week he has what he calls Dyche Day and he does not allow any of the sports scientists on the on the training facility and he just runs them dead.
00:51:01
Nate
and
00:51:15
Nate
ah see you know like The more I think of it, that open place that could be the nail in this coffin, it's the main objective of football is to score a goal. If you can't do it in that period of time, I think yeah i don't think you'd be looked at too finally for that.
00:51:38
Killian Ginnity
Do you think um if he goes into another kind of smaller club or firefighting job that he is in danger of becoming the new Sam Allardyce?
00:51:48
Conor Glennon
Are we talking if he goes Prem?
00:51:50
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, so like say if you went into a Southampton style situation.
00:51:55
Conor Glennon
Yeah, I think I think he makes himself he pigeonholes themselves as a big Sam kind of parachute him in to save from relegation.
00:51:55
Killian Ginnity
say a which
00:52:03
Nate
Well, let let me ask you this. Do you think Sean Deutsch can do anything other than firefight?
00:52:10
Killian Ginnity
yeah
00:52:10
Conor Glennon
I think he can.
00:52:10
Killian Ginnity
be
00:52:11
Conor Glennon
Yeah, I i just don't know. No, this makes it sound terrible. I'm not saying he can hack in the Premier League, but I think he is a manager that would be unbelievable in the championship.
00:52:22
Conor Glennon
like he like he he I think it just suits him better, that kind of more, less Charlie football, if you know what I mean, more kind of real football.
00:52:32
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:52:33
Nate
Yeah.
00:52:33
Killian Ginnity
I think the kind of clubs that suit him are perennial underdogs. like I think he does better with less because it becomes a lot more about, walk what can I get out of these guys?
00:52:44
Killian Ginnity
And I think he's an amazing um motivator. Like we saw we saw in in previous lives together, ah Keith Tracy talking about his man management at Burnley and the fact that he just took him on his wing.
00:52:55
Conor Glennon
you
00:52:57
Killian Ginnity
I was like, I don't care about if you ever play football again. I'm trying to fix you as a guy. I'm trying to help you as a man.
00:53:01
Conor Glennon
Mmm.
00:53:01
Killian Ginnity
And I think that kind of a situation. So like if you went into a small club and got them promoted, I think you would have a very, very solid five years in the prep.
00:53:12
Conor Glennon
Sean Deutsch is the definition of siege mentality.
Dyche's International Prospects
00:53:15
Conor Glennon
Like if he gets it, like if he got a club like a Luden, like I know he's not going to get that role, but I'm just, for example,
00:53:19
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, that that kind of a style where like the community and the players and everybody rose in the one direction. I think that is his wheelhouse and the speciality and I think when there's more media expectations that are, like yeah have like everything is a job where you have to be media savvy.
00:53:40
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:53:41
Killian Ginnity
and They're one of the only clubs never to get relegated from the Premier League. Like there's a level of expectation.
00:53:45
Conor Glennon
Also, Liverpool is a massive market, you know.
00:53:45
Nate
Yes.
00:53:47
Killian Ginnity
Yeah. Um, whereas when you can get to know your journalists and stuff, I think that's where he tries. Like we saw it over COVID. He was great crack because he started, he knew these guys and you can have that little bit more of a one-to-one.
00:53:56
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:54:01
Killian Ginnity
And I think that helps him and him being happy helps the players. Um, yeah.
00:54:07
Conor Glennon
Remind me, his his exit of Burnley, what happened there?
00:54:07
Killian Ginnity
like
00:54:10
Conor Glennon
Was it what was it sour on his way out? Because I'm just trying to like think of his last couple of jobs and and and the the scenario in which he left.
00:54:17
Killian Ginnity
If I can remember correctly, it was it was sort of sour, but it also kind of wasn't. It was kind of like, okay, you've done a decade.
00:54:24
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:54:25
Killian Ginnity
and we're ah We're on the verge of getting relegated. But I think we at the time were even kind of going, oh, did they jump the ship too early?
00:54:33
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:54:34
Nate
I'll just say it, lads. I think if Bundesliga watches football, I think they'd have a heart attack. Them lads defend with two people. like I think, generally, they'd be flipping if they watched his football.
00:54:46
Killian Ginnity
i I would love him to go into like a Schalke or an Eiträck Frankfurt or so one of these kind of relatively small towns, big teams, and just go into the Bundesliga and just shock them all. Just kind of go, yeah, you may have invented but invented the Blitzkrieg, but here's the dicekrieg, and just hammer them down.
00:55:08
Nate
Honestly, I think he'd start riots over there.
00:55:09
Killian Ginnity
ah
00:55:12
Conor Glennon
could you Could you imagine him speaking German?
00:55:16
Nate
Someone say it would suit him.
00:55:17
Killian Ginnity
HP9 fucked.
00:55:18
Conor Glennon
yeah
00:55:20
Killian Ginnity
I think he he would be ah absolutely classed.
00:55:25
Nate
Maybe international football for him.
00:55:27
Conor Glennon
I don't know. i don't Actually, i he could do it. He could do it well. i just I don't want to see him in international, not yet.
00:55:35
Killian Ginnity
But where? Where's available?
00:55:37
Conor Glennon
Well he can't go anywhere sunny, that man be sunburned to fuck.
00:55:38
Nate
and I'd
00:55:38
Killian Ginnity
like
00:55:42
Killian Ginnity
like ah like but He's not going to get the job there. Steve Clark is solid up in Scotland. um
00:55:42
Nate
take them at Ireland.
00:55:49
Conor Glennon
Bellamy's in Wales, he's doing all right.
00:55:50
Killian Ginnity
with like yeah my Michael O'Neill is solid in ah Northern
Premier League Nostalgia
00:55:55
Killian Ginnity
Ireland. um like um Unless he follows like my football manager career and goes out to Slovenia for a decade, um I don't think he's going to
00:56:03
Conor Glennon
Do you think he'd do MLS?
00:56:07
Killian Ginnity
I don't know. ah MLS have been hiring a lot of European managers this year.
00:56:11
Conor Glennon
Yeah that's what I'm thinking.
00:56:13
Killian Ginnity
like all All of Melberg is out there now. are um Somebody's after hiring ah another Swede, Pell, Anderson today. um There's been a lot of a lot of moves.
00:56:25
Killian Ginnity
I don't know if he would. ah because it's it's such a different way of life as well and i think he kind of i think he's a bloke and he likes english culture and like not not to be cliche but i think he is a bit brexitty not not as a man but just i think he likes the english way of life i whereas like if you go out there and truck over San Diego well then you're the only only soccer team there and you're you're gonna be like expected to be like an NFL coach and there'd be a lot more that kind of media thing and I don't yeah and I don't know if that that would kind of be his his his gig um plus I don't know if they even know he exists
00:56:58
Conor Glennon
general manager General manager type of gig.
00:57:09
Conor Glennon
I mean, he his CV would get him a job there if he wanted it, but like i I do think own coin was in the MLS.
00:57:14
Killian Ginnity
Well, a former Burnley manager was out there a number of years ago. Owen Coyle, if we can all remember him. He was... I think he was a Houston Dynamo for a year or two before he went to India.
00:57:24
Conor Glennon
No way.
00:57:26
Killian Ginnity
Yeah.
00:57:29
Conor Glennon
He's another blast from the past.
00:57:29
Killian Ginnity
That Burnley team, again, was class.
00:57:30
Conor Glennon
He's a real like Premier League years on Sky Sports kind of manager.
00:57:36
Killian Ginnity
Graham Alexander. um ah or who Who was the...
00:57:38
Conor Glennon
Oh, my God.
00:57:42
Killian Ginnity
ah
00:57:42
Conor Glennon
I've got like seven faces in my head right now that I can't I can't picture or put the names on.
00:57:48
Killian Ginnity
George Boyd and ah who Chris Eagles.
00:57:49
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:57:52
Conor Glennon
Oh, he's well, I didn't I never liked him.
00:57:53
Killian Ginnity
ah
00:57:55
Conor Glennon
He was he was a rodent of a player like
00:57:58
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, but like having Brian Jenson, the four-year-old Denmark in goals class. um ah yeah And then they had Danny Ings come through there at that time as well. And they had just so they had years ago, Akan Bayi, he went through there on their on their rise up from League One.
00:58:15
Killian Ginnity
Actually, just because we can. Do you remember that whole city team that Phil Brown brought up?
00:58:21
Conor Glennon
Dean Windas and that crew.
00:58:21
Killian Ginnity
What a great team that's Ian Ashby.
00:58:24
Conor Glennon
Yeah.
00:58:24
Killian Ginnity
ah they They had Giovanni there for a while, who was at Man City.
00:58:27
Conor Glennon
Yeah, they did.
00:58:29
Killian Ginnity
um who ah They had Michael Dawson, who ended up going to Sunderland, but he was a class youngster.
00:58:35
Conor Glennon
That was a straight up like volumes FC team.
00:58:35
Killian Ginnity
No, no no Dawson was the man from Spurs and had Michael Turner, who was a slabhead that went to Sunderland. um Bose by my Hill was their goalkeeper.
Podcast Conclusion
00:58:50
Killian Ginnity
ah they had
00:58:50
Conor Glennon
Your recall, like I remember all these players, but like I wouldn't be the first to remember them.
00:58:56
Killian Ginnity
ah like there there that That was my year. I love them once. I'm the same like Wigan, Wigan, proper parties team.
00:59:02
Conor Glennon
oh Paul Jewell's finest like...
00:59:04
Killian Ginnity
like
00:59:06
Killian Ginnity
Oh, even are after that, and like early Roberto Martinez years was great as well. and when the ha I think they had Tunchy Sandley, who was at Middlesbrough most famously.
00:59:17
Killian Ginnity
I think he he went through waking up on stage.
00:59:19
Conor Glennon
I think you're right. There's definitely a podcast in this, boys, like those kind of teams, like the Boltons, you know, with JJ Koch and.
00:59:24
Killian Ginnity
Oh, Anelka.
00:59:25
Nate
yeah that was all my ear as a
00:59:28
Killian Ginnity
Anelka was a Bolton. And but then he went to Chelsea and was amazing both times.
00:59:33
Conor Glennon
And then went to 72 other teams.
00:59:36
Killian Ginnity
Yeah, yeah. And let let us not forget one of them was West Brom, where he got banned for his Quinzel celebration. um Yeah, absolutely unbelievable. And he went to UVA as well around that same time.
00:59:49
Killian Ginnity
Class. And what's class is, we'll be back next week, because that's the end of this podcast.
00:59:51
Nate
Yeah, that was all my years.
00:59:54
Killian Ginnity
Nearly exactly on the hour. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
00:59:58
Conor Glennon
but Bye-bye.
00:59:59
Nate
It's been a pleasure.