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Could Harry Kane cost England the EUROS? 🏆 Semi-Final Preview
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Is Harry Kane England’s Cristiano Ronaldo? 🚩 Gareth Southgate’s tactical blunders are raising eyebrows. 🤨 Has Euro 2024 left you disappointed? 😬 Who will rise to the final? 🏆
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Introduction and Euro Tournament Overview
00:00:18
killianginnity
Hello, this is the Nodipota podcast and we have a full roster today, ladies and gentlemen. We have Rob, we have Connor and we have Nate and we have myself. Just throw that in there. Gentlemen, how are we finding the euros, Nate?
00:00:32
Nate
boring very boring and like the games that you you think are going to be boring are exciting and then the ones that you think are going to be exciting are boring so it's a bit of a mixed bag but i like lads i'm at the point where if it's the champs and say okay fine i'm not watching i'm really not
00:00:33
Glennon
a
00:00:35
killianginnity
Tell us how you really feel though.
00:00:53
killianginnity
Oh, I think that's the kind of thing that they would put on Guantanamo Bay Connor.
Highlight and Critique of Euro Matches
00:00:57
Glennon
um like it it to be honest with you i think na some perfectly it's the games you don't expect are the ones that have been absolutely balling it like that austria turkey game was one of the best games at the tourment for me um
00:01:09
killianginnity
ran yeah
00:01:10
Glennon
It was honest to God. I know we laugh at him and I was literally sat there just going, okay, maybe the boys were, maybe the boys had something that he isn't a complete goon. Um, but overall, you know, don't get me wrong. It's been fantastic having games on, you know, every other day, but it's, it's been a poor tournament for, for a fair while of it. And I think for me, there's no one team they're absolutely balling out. I think, you know, Spain are probably as close to it as, ah as we've got to anyone, but. You know, it's hard to see how you find the killing.
00:01:43
killianginnity
I'm enjoying it. um I was over in Wales for um the last round, which was kind of, it was good to kind of see other English haters um kind of react to how bad they're playing. and And Rob, is it just me or do you also have this kind of terrible sinking feeling of a possible England victory?
Concerns About Tournament Outcomes
00:02:04
Rob
Yeah, you're going to ask me how I think the tournament's been. I think it's underwhelming, but it has the potential to go from a five out of 10 tournament to an apocalyptic minus 50 of England winner. And I have to listen to Rio Ferdinand and Gary Neville. and all of the pundits actually, but particularly those two. and I don't think they're going to as we approach the semi-finals, but the tournament has been so bad and France have created this like almost like a roadmap of like, you don't even have to score anymore, you don't even have to shot have a shot on target, you can win matches.
00:02:36
Rob
just by getting the penalties and being really good at penalties and having players with good techniques. So m England are in a rush out, but I think maybe the Dutch might get the better of them. But yeah, it is a worry as we get to this stage.
00:02:49
Glennon
you'd think you'd think about head and heart head or heart in that one because i
00:02:51
Rob
My head tells me Spain. Well, actually, sorry, my head on my heart. My heart tells me Spain. I'd like to see Spain win it. And they play the best football. And my head is telling me France. So there's still a couple of obstacles to clear for England.
00:03:02
Glennon
if bring it to us For me, the French have just been so like, I've never liked watching the French play really kind of, I suppose, Henri kind of, you know, so good for us all. But, you know, I found them really
Comparing Past and Present Tournaments
00:03:15
Glennon
boring of late. And just before we hopped on, I saw a quote from Didier de Chant and obviously the words getting to him through the press that they're not playing the sexiest of football. And he was like, if you're getting bored, watch another game, you don't have to watch. That's fine. And it's like, if that's what your manager is saying, you know, you're playing dogshit football.
00:03:32
Rob
Yeah.
00:03:34
killianginnity
but thereafter expanding it to include more teams to make it more fun. And there's no more fun. Like, I don't, I don't actually, this, I'm always afraid of the kind of like rose tinted glasses night of like, 2010 World Cup felt really, really exciting. Euros, oh wait on 12, really, really exciting in particular. And kind of as the years goes on, I don't know if I'm just becoming blase about it, but the quality in football just seems to be meh.
00:04:02
Nate
I, like, ah some of these managers are on severe fraud watch. Like, I'll put it out there. Some of these, like, how you can get these guys to play the least borderline basic football is is beyond me. And I think it's sort of a symptom of like, we're sort of in the middle now where international football is a bit more of the old school football, a bit more, you know, you got less time to work with them, it's a bit more, it's ah It's a bit more basic, but then when they go back to their clubs they're here playing really technical systems and stuff like that. So I think as we've developed on, we're sort of seeing this middle ground now where we're really not getting good good things to watch.
00:04:47
killianginnity
it's It's just, it's really, really grim, Rob. Are players not intelligent enough to be able to like play two different systems?
00:04:54
Rob
I think they definitely
Reasons for Decline in Game Quality
00:04:56
Rob
are. They're probably so tired.
00:04:56
killianginnity
I'll stop with some of them, Orange, I don't think.
00:04:59
Rob
I'm not going to name any names, but some of them probably aren't. and I think some of them are probably too tired at this stage. Also, some of them are like maybe Duke Bellingham and playing for MJ and they have Garret say, okay, I don't know what to do. They're probably like, listen mate, like we know what we're going to do here. but For me, that the there's a lot of issues behind why the quality has dropped. and Obviously, the players are tired. like It's a long, long season. and They've been playing football power for a full year, but you can still have good games. They were tired during the 2018 World Cup and that was great. That was lots of fun. and i think it's the form I think it's the format out of the tournament. It encourages negative play because
00:05:37
Rob
yeah just The group stages have become almost irrelevant since they expanded to 2014 instead of 2016. I'm old enough to remember when Euro's in 2000 and I was only a kid and that was the best tournament I've ever seen. So, 2016's Euro was perfect. It was a really elite quality. That's why Ireland got hammered in 2012. like we shouldn't have been there we were we were over depth like we were up against absolutely brilliant teams because 16 teams from europe is high quality 24 teams and the structure of the group with teams in tordco trail i think it's just completely broken and we saw we see this now into the semi-finals like we've seen what's gone wrong here like if germany don't equalize against witzerland
00:05:56
killianginnity
I know.
00:06:18
Rob
Germany play Italy and then they probably beat them as if they were terrible then they play England in the quarter-finals and then the other hand of it if France don't make a mess of it against Poland and actually score a goal from open play France will play England in the semi-finals so I think the format's broken and I think they need to they're not going to switch it down to 16 because they did lose money in it they're not going to do that but they should probably bump it up to 32
Effects of Football Overexposure
00:06:42
Rob
now and and make it the format a bit more like kind of constructive where it's like two from each group goes through and 16 teams out in the group stage versus at the moment like we've seen like the first group stage the first round of games that's all great lots of goals then each game the quality seems to dip and to the point where like if this is an England France final like my god like this
00:07:06
killianginnity
So that'd be a tournament of group stage, round of 32, round of 16, quarter semis final.
00:07:12
Rob
Yeah, same amount of matches, just youve eight extra teams, which would be like like decent teams anyway apart from Ireland. There would be Wales, there would be Norway. like these aren sweden These aren't they're not going to stink the place out.
00:07:25
killianginnity
Pick up San Marino.
00:07:26
Rob
Yeah, and the best part about this tournament is being actually Georgia and Turkey and so-called lower teams.
00:07:30
Glennon
100%. I think that idea works, man.
00:07:31
Rob
so
00:07:33
Glennon
like I really do. like i I don't know about you, Nate. What are you feeling on there?
00:07:37
Nate
Just to touch back quickly on what Kylie was saying about past tournaments and how Dave sort of felt, I also think the products becoming so saturated. like The amount of football we we have to view on a daily basis is insane.
00:07:45
Rob
oh yeah
00:07:50
Nate
And say and like I don't know about you, Laz, but I'm very selective about what football I watch now, just because I'm so conscious about like actually just becoming like...
00:07:59
killianginnity
Not wasting your own time.
00:08:01
Nate
Not not even wasting my own time, just becoming burned out on it. like And I think that's that's a big thing. and a big worry going forward is like, it's only going up and up. And I think we probably need to set a scale on the back now to where like, there's only so much time I can put into the game.
00:08:11
Rob
Oh yeah.
00:08:18
Nate
I can't watch every game and this is way too much.
00:08:19
killianginnity
Sure. When, you when, when you have Premier League teams flying to the other side of the world to play each other the day after the Premier League finishes, like the game is broken car.
00:08:28
Glennon
ah like it i know and like I know we were involved in in that game and it did you know ourselves and Spurs.
00:08:29
killianginnity
Hint.
00:08:35
Glennon
and yeah I just don't see the point of it. I think it's unfair on players as well. like you know Trippier got a knock at that. He was very close to not going on that plane for the Euros. like It's not good for player welfare. i mean look you know we We've got questionable ownership. There's no doubt about that. But I think it's questionable governance from the Premier League as
Expectations and Uniformity in Modern Football
00:08:54
Glennon
a whole. And I think on Nate's point about the quality of the game, do you think it's a case of like, do you think where Nate's going with that or do you think we just see so much football even through clips on TikTok of games we'd never see? And it's kind of just distilling the whole thing of going, we expect absolute excellence in every single game. Or has the quality gone down a bit?
00:09:18
Nate
I like ah just a quickly touch on that. I think that, at least myself, I don't go into a game and go, I'm expecting 90 minutes of free-flowing football. But I feel like some games, we don't even get the bits, you know what I mean?
00:09:31
Glennon
Get it.
00:09:32
Nate
And i'm like just thinking myself, it's like, and when you look at it, say, when the Premier League is going or whatever, or the Euros now, and you you look at the list of games, it's like every single one of them you pick is 90 minutes of your time that you're investing into that. It's like, I'm not, maybe I'm a bit nostalgic thinking back, but like, I miss the old days where like you can go, you know, I'm really looking forward to that game in three days time and I can't wait to watch it.
00:09:46
killianginnity
Really.
00:09:57
Nate
When now feels like you're getting games and games every week and the o you sort of have to pick and choose.
00:10:02
Glennon
No, I think you're right. Like there was, there was that kind of thing of yesteryear where it'd be Wednesday and you cannot wait for super Sunday. And you know, like it was your whole week revolved around it. Like, I i don't know. ah Nate's been, been a very nostalgic old man for a young man. What are you saying? and
00:10:19
killianginnity
I don't know. I think part of what's kind going on now is that there's just this like ah homogenization of styles of play that everybody's trying to play a certain way. And that's why the likes of Georgia and Austria are fun when they're in a tournament. Because it's like, oh, there's something different. Turkey, caution is the win. Let's go first. And I think that used to happen more in the Premier League. But as now, it's become much more for financial decision, Rob.
Solutions for Improving Football Quality
00:10:44
Rob
Yeah.
00:10:44
killianginnity
Nobody's willing to take the risk. And in international tournaments, they're not willing to take the risk either because it's now more about kind of like, I think possibly not trying to not piss off players.
00:10:56
Rob
Yeah, there's definitely too many club games. like The club game needs to be revamped to take away matches, I think, which is a different issue. Like the Carbo Cup, even FA Cup combined those. and I think, you should as I said before, I think you should get rid of two two teams in the Premier League. I think there's too many teams there. They're not good enough quality. But just going back to international football, but this tournament, I didn't watch it. I wasn't there. But when I think I've read about the World Cup in 1990, People in Ireland remember Fondi and England, but the termum that tournament was so bad that Forest FIFA had to like look at the laws of the game and change them. like This is just stinking the place. Ireland got to the quarter-finals without winning the match.
00:11:36
killianginnity
Sure.
00:11:36
Rob
like
00:11:37
killianginnity
didn't um Was it Euro 92?
00:11:37
Rob
ah so
00:11:39
killianginnity
That's Denmark 1 after not qualifying.
00:11:42
Rob
you can Do replace Yugoslavia?
00:11:42
Glennon
Yeah.
00:11:42
killianginnity
And it was the back pass.
00:11:44
Nate
After.
00:11:44
Rob
Yeah. Yeah, the back pass rule was changed after that tournament. But like the tournament quality was so bad, and players were being hacked down. Tackle from behind used to be like perfectly legal. So he they got rid of tackle from behind, they got rid of the back pass rule. And for anyone who grew up in the 90s, myself and Connor, like football it was great. And I was real full, and maybe because I was a kid. But 90s and 90s, generally, until the marine era, I think football was really entertaining.
00:12:11
Glennon
It was so exciting. It was it was like, I know we just sound like our lads, but like, you know, how much is the price of bread type thing?
00:12:12
Rob
Yeah.
00:12:19
Glennon
But like, I really look back and say like, you know, the teams like Cameroon and the World Cup that used to just light it up and it was kind of like, you know, they
00:12:26
Rob
Yeah.
00:12:28
Glennon
They were never going to win the thing, but they'd make it exciting. And there's a bit of that with Austria and George. And I do have to laugh that we thought the Georgia manager would leave the Georgia setup to come to Ireland, but we'll come back to that. At some point I'd say, but yeah, I think you're right. I don't ah just think it's roasting the glasses. I think the football bowl of yesteryear is better. What are you saying, kidding?
00:12:49
killianginnity
I think like definitely after the 90s there's an argument of it's not roasting to glasses because like if you think of your 2008 You had the explosive ticky-tack of football breaking through, new style of play going against all styles of play. There was this kind of collision of it. As we've seen in the 2010 World Cup Final, literal collisions. um But like you had Giovanni Brown Bronchors cracking them in from 35 yards from left wing back. You had Tunchi Sandley and Nihat and Rushdie Reki Bariford Turkey.
00:13:24
killianginnity
like all doing like <unk> crazy stuff. You had Big Yan Collar for Czech Republic being able to hold up a game and wreck any other team's momentum. 2010 World Cup for all of the criticism of the Jabjalani. It was so entertaining.
00:13:38
Glennon
That was a brilliant tournament though.
00:13:39
killianginnity
It was so fun. And it wasn't just because of the jabulani, although the likes of the jabulani actually helped. And I don't know why they never kind of continued with that more.
Impact of Rules and Influences on Gameplay
00:13:47
killianginnity
Like I think it was ultimately a good thing. and But like when you had like to Shabalaba opening the World Cup, that's massive sprint down the right wing in over the goalkeeper. Like even the South African goalkeeper Kune was like, small keeper, but big hands and acrobatics, ah like there was definitely a lot more kind of entertaining attempts at play. Even though there were too two tournaments that were dominated by one team, it did not feel like it was two tournaments dominated by one team rather.
00:14:16
Glennon
100% and your teams like say like England versus that, when England played Ecuador, and barely won. like they're they're They're more exciting games than there's been in this tournament for sure.
00:14:26
Rob
It's gone too far now, I think as well.
00:14:26
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:14:28
Rob
There's inbuilt advantages for better better teams, bigger teams. So like you had Cameroon or Senegal or Ireland, even in past tournaments, shocking bigger teams. It's very hard to see that now because you've automated offside, you've 26 man squads, you've five substitutions in normal times, which means you can change half of your outfield team and then another show of an extra time. so Like, say, for example, England, which we'll get to the other day, like you just knew they were going to find a way because they have the better squad. And the players like Trent Alexander-Arnold come off the bench who can strike the ball perfectly. So I think that's an element as well. it' just just It's become so sanitized that it just helps the bigger teams. And then just the whole the way Pep has influenced so many teams. like Everyone has to play out from the back. look I was watching England last week against
00:15:18
Rob
and Slovakia before I fell asleep. And I was like, they just need to lo look, look this ball as far as they can up to Ivan Hone and Harry Kane. Like don't be, England aren't capable of playing Tiki Taka football. Like they don't have anyone intelligent enough in my field to go on the ball and spray it around. Like there's no one like Roger, just hoof up the pitch, but everyone's plays the same now as well. And that's the other thing that kind of makes it, it's not always dull, but it's definitely more predictable, I think.
00:15:46
killianginnity
Nate has analytics made football too woke for international football.
00:15:51
Nate
I think it's made to work for the whole of football. This is the present thing in my head. is's like And maybe you guys have a better input on it. But what is the turning point? like Are we just going to be stuck in this mold of analytics is everything? Pep Guardiola started to play, systems versus systems. Or will there be that turning point in a couple of years where we go back to, me not mayhem football, but like less structured, more get gettings done like i i don't know is this the new football that we're just going to get used to
00:16:26
Glennon
i think I think personally that, you know, not that the game cyclical, like we're not going to go back to the 80s, but like, you know, I mean, like I do think there's different eras of football.
00:16:26
killianginnity
I.
00:16:35
Glennon
And I think right now we're in a very stats heavy era. I do think if the likes of I think technology as a whole, say if virus pulled back, there might be a pullback on stats. But i you know, I think there's it's it's one of those where If it doesn't change in the next five years, it won't change at all. And I think what is depressing about like, from you looking football and, you know, early 2000s, again, like, yes, there was games that you got absolutely done in and you were like, that's offside. And like I've said a million times before, I love the controversy of that. But, you know, I would have been one of the people saying, bring in the technology.
00:17:14
Glennon
and it's come in and it's affected the game and then I think also in terms of playing style that it's affected the game but then at the same time I have to look at it from ah the point of view of yes Ireland don't use those statistics statistics incredibly well but even looking at Newcastle we have performed a lot better since we've come from a stats based approach so it's I think it's very dependent on who you support.
00:17:37
killianginnity
I think football needs to keep an eye on baseball because baseball, since the whole money ball thing has become very stats focused and have now spent 10 to 15 years trying to deal with the falling viewership because it's become boring. It's a boring sport anyway, but it's now gotten more boring. and Um, so yeah, it is definitely like something to opine, but let's opine no longer. Let let's look at the semi-finals of Euro 2024. England, Netherlands. Rob, what's your kind of take on the Netherlands up until this point? I've been kind of reasonably, they've been effective. I wouldn't say I like them, but they've been effective.
00:18:21
Rob
Yeah, they're interesting and um in the way that like they're missing De Jong, who's their best player in the field. But like they they actually show their benefits for certain teams for this format, is that you can actually grow into the tournament. So they started okay, they beat Poland, they drew with France, that would have got them true. in the past, but then he lost to Austria, and I suppose he scored twice in it. What I've liked about them in the matches I've seen is that Koeman, who I don't think is a particularly great coach, I think Van Hal was a much better coach, but I think he's Bretton Selkait, but he's willing to change things up a little bit, so he won't deal with what Selkait's been doing and leaving Harry Kane on the pitch no matter what, until Harry Kane literally has to physically withdraw himself and say, I can't play anymore. So he might start with Memphis or Marlin,
00:19:09
Rob
ah but he's also bringing on Veghorst and he's not afraid to do that and the very kind of pacey players at Wyatt who should kind of give England trouble and yeah like I think they're they're capable of scoring in any match so I would like this I think they could be England I wouldn't like to see them do what Switzerland did which was kind of give England probably more respect and they deserved I think they were treating them the way they would treat the reputation of the players at club level rather than this kind of really generally average team i think as a collective.
00:19:41
Rob
I think the Dutch have the talented, they're a bit erratic, but I do think what i think Coleman could have an advantage in summary because he's more willing to make a change and I think Weghorst and the PIE, a combination of those two, should find a way to get a goal against England.
00:19:56
Nate
Thank you.
00:19:57
killianginnity
Nate, Man United last year missed out on getting Cody Gackpo and he's been very effective for the Netherlands so you're kind of like feeling like he's missed out a little bit now.
00:20:08
Nate
Um, not particularly, like he's been, he's already go to this tournament, but I think he's been really going to pour in Nettle inside.
00:20:10
Rob
He's very good.
00:20:17
Nate
Um, like the view.
00:20:18
killianginnity
but It could have been very good on a poor you Man United side.
00:20:21
Nate
a
00:20:21
Rob
He's played in opposition for Liverpool. He plays on the left for Netherlands. I know it's only a slight tweak, but Liverpool tried to turn him into a Firmino type of player, and he's he's done better working the tournament, cutting in.
00:20:32
Glennon
He's a totally, he's a totally different player than the other ones too.
00:20:35
Rob
Yeah.
00:20:36
Nate
It's just like,
00:20:36
Glennon
Like it's, it's similar with like, you know, with, with not to dwell on or bring us to England too quickly, but like playing Foden on the left versus playing him in the middle, it's two different players, you know.
00:20:45
killianginnity
we're not We're not doing the OTE thing. We are going to continue talking about other teams before we at talk.
00:20:48
Nate
me
00:20:49
killianginnity
table
00:20:50
Nate
and
00:20:51
killianginnity
nay
00:20:52
Nate
Yeah, like, Netherlands, they're just a very, very basic side. Like, tactically, there's not much there. I do like, as Rob touched on in the comments, not as afraid to use the bench, and like Mr. Southgate.
00:21:07
killianginnity
Hm.
00:21:08
Nate
But, yeah, like, just tactics-wise, there isn't much there. I think against England they're going to probably try and get a goal and then I think whoever gets the goal first in that game is going to sit back like no tomorrow so be prepared for that.
00:21:24
Rob
Yeah.
00:21:25
Glennon
i
00:21:25
Rob
One more thing, sorry Connor, was that they've done something that other teams haven't done, sorry, is that like they do were losing and to Torque and they came back.
00:21:26
Glennon
i
00:21:31
Rob
That hasn't happened much in the tournament, sorry Connor.
00:21:34
Glennon
No, no, it's a great point. And, you know, a thing for me is in... I think kind of on that point, I think if Netherlands are to beat England here, they're going to have to do it in 90 minutes. Because I think this England team, if they get to extra time, feel like they can handle it now. It's not the days of we're scared of penalties, we're scared of extra time. I think it's a different beat. So I think it's like that. If they can't look at this, even if they go 1-0, then go, OK, if we get it back to 1-0, bring it into extra time, I think they need to just go full on at it and try to get the win in the 90. I don't know about you, Kill.
00:22:07
killianginnity
i yeah it's it's it's I'm not convinced particularly by either team but I think Netherlands has a little bit more to grind out the result. like what What they did in the last game and was like really quite impressive against Turkey because Turkey seemed to kind of just have the pressure on constantly. and they weathered it out and they managed to sneak in the goals whilst still not being overly impressive for large portions of the game. um And I think the likes of England, I think we can now go on to them, and have have had big enough gaps that a scrappy team that like Comans, Netherlands are right now, like they will leave positions open enough for the likes of Cody Gackpo to come off the bench and to penalise them.
00:22:55
Rob
One nice one for me with the Dutch is that like if the tailgate goes into the team, I'm getting more confident as I go on and start thinking more about it. If he goes into it with that same kind of front line, the Dutch would be able to handle that because like Van Dijk has looked a bit...
00:23:05
Glennon
Yeah.
00:23:07
Rob
ah He's not the player he was, which is inevitable, but he'd be able to handle Kane no water because Kane is much slower than him.
00:23:13
killianginnity
And he's playing as a defensive midfielder.
00:23:15
Rob
Yeah, Yovan Deven, who didn't start, put you but he came off the bench and he is lightning quick off Tottenham. He is like so quick and like England's front line, there's no pace. There's no one that can run. He leaves all the runners on the bench, like Watkins or Gordon and or Palmer, who does come on. But if it's Foden and it's Bellingham and Kane all going into the same positions, the Dutch will be able to get a grip of the game and they go from more confident from the Netherlands.
00:23:32
Nate
Thank you.
00:23:43
killianginnity
Well, have you suggested maybe like adjusting your team to the team that you're going to play?
00:23:48
Rob
Yeah, it's revolutionary.
00:23:48
killianginnity
like but you might put on quick Somebody get a messenger pigeon over the Germany straight over to straight over the
00:23:50
Rob
I might not catch on, yeah.
00:23:52
Glennon
vincent Vincent Company wouldn't be too much of a fan of of of your thinking.
00:23:55
Rob
No, or say OK.
00:23:59
Nate
in
00:23:59
Rob
Yeah.
00:24:01
Nate
Interestingly an enough though, about Van Dijk, he's had the most fouls in the whole tournament.
00:24:06
Glennon
Oh, wow.
00:24:07
killianginnity
He famously not like going like two years without filing somebody in the
00:24:07
Glennon
That's interesting.
00:24:10
Nate
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a showcase to possibly a start in the climb, in my opinion.
00:24:11
Rob
Yeah.
00:24:17
Nate
like that That just stood out to me.
00:24:18
Rob
I think it started.
00:24:19
Nate
I think he's had like 16 fouls or something, which is crazy.
00:24:22
Glennon
Well, when your pace goes, that's what happens. you know you You got to do those clumsy tackles to kind of take the yellow on the chin and move from there. But you know ah for me, with Southgate, what I found to date with them, and even we we can kind of chat about the cane thing in more depth in a sec, but I don't know if you guys have noticed this, where from a sub's point of view,
00:24:30
Rob
Yeah.
00:24:44
Glennon
He's completely reactive as as opposed to proactive. Like he waits for something to go wrong before trying to change it. And I think it's really starting to affect that team.
00:24:57
Nate
do Do you know why that is in my opinion?
00:24:58
killianginnity
No.
00:24:59
Nate
I think he has he has a group in that camp that he does not want to upset and then he has a group that he knows he can get away with leaving on the bench. And I honestly think until something goes wrong, like visually in front of him, he's too scared to take players off that pitch. I really do think that.
00:25:18
killianginnity
I'd believe that considering there's no other excuse for leaving the likes of an Anthony Gordon on the bench. like He was in his cameos that he's gotten. He was very, very effective. ah But no, let's keep certain photos.
00:25:30
Glennon
or look even a cold Palmer, like Jesus Christ.
00:25:30
Nate
Ollie what?
00:25:33
Glennon
Like, I mean, he he wasn't even in the England team.
00:25:33
Rob
Yeah.
00:25:36
Glennon
What a year ago. And he looks more than comfortable in that team. He's taken penalties just fine. Anytime he's come on, he's busted. You know, I think even the wider one is, is Kane. It's like, I know he. potentially has a knock. I don't know if it's fully to do with that. I think he's just kind of declining a little bit, but I, you know, I read a piece on on the athletic before we hopped on and they're kind of coming at it from the point of view is, is, is he becoming England's Ronaldo where you, you can't take him off for optics, but in the team externally with outside the team. But for me, like Jesus.
00:26:09
Glennon
I don't know the way to bring out, like don't get me wrong. if he get if If the ball drops in the box and there's one England player you want on it, it's probably him. But at the same time, I think an Ali Watkins or an Ivan Tony or a mixture of the two of them would work a hell of a lot better.
00:26:18
killianginnity
Cool.
00:26:23
Glennon
I don't know about you, Nate.
00:26:23
Nate
I mean, are you read? I'll go, I'll go further in the Atlantic. I'll say Harry Kane to England's more of a hindrance than Ronaldo is to Portugal.
00:26:31
Rob
No, no, no, I'm not having that.
00:26:31
Nate
I'll say a hundred and fifty percent.
00:26:32
Rob
No. I have to come in here kidding.
00:26:35
Nate
Mate, this fella, this fella, Harry Kane is just playing CDM. At least Ronaldo actually looks like he can get on the end of a chance.
00:26:40
Rob
Ronaldo, that match against Divini, it was like watching a play.
00:26:42
Nate
Mate.
00:26:44
Nate
At least he's actually trying to score.
00:26:45
Rob
It wasn't a football a match.
00:26:46
Nate
Like, har can Harry Harry Kane's playing CDM against bleeding Slovakia in the Euros, i yeah um and Nah.
00:26:47
Rob
trote He was having a meltdown.
00:26:52
Rob
I think Ronaldo should retire mid-match. Remember Ron James got the NBA scoring record and he just stopped the match and gave him a ceremony.
00:27:00
Nate
I think you need to, like, re-watch this Harry Kane disaster class.
00:27:01
Rob
like
00:27:03
Nate
It is so bad.
00:27:05
Rob
He's been poor, but Ronaldo is the most pathetic.
00:27:07
Nate
No.
00:27:10
Nate
No, not poor.
00:27:10
Rob
I think he's just ruined his legacy.
00:27:11
Nate
He's been...
00:27:12
Rob
But Ronaldo or Kane should be dropped, definitely. And you're right as well, Nate, Cilke isn't proactive. But I don't even know if he's trying to keep people on site. I just don't think he understands what's going on. I know I sound really condescending and harsh, but if you look at every big match they've had under him, He does never make changes. he's like He's been great at, and he gets credit for this. Two things that he's done brilliantly for England is he creates an atmosphere in the group where he's great dealing with the media. He never gets flustered under pressure. The players obviously like playing underneath him. And he's created a great environment for him to thrive in. And he's got an easy draw in nearly every tournament. So that's what's worked for him. But regards in-game management, like he's like some guy who's standing waiting on a bus. like
00:27:55
Rob
and he is kind
00:27:56
Glennon
Well, what annoys me, man, on that is like the he's the English press are kind of big enough to change that he made to the back three. And it's like that was motivated by Gehe being injured and the press hammering you. You did not make that decision on your own.
00:28:09
Rob
Yeah.
00:28:11
Glennon
And it's the best performance England have had, which still wasn't very good.
00:28:15
Rob
Yeah,
00:28:15
Nate
But that that's not even a proactive change. That's that's him reversing back to old tactics that didn't work either. You know what I mean?
00:28:22
Rob
he played back tree before and like if if you ever notice the next time you watch it now, I know it is.
00:28:24
Nate
after
00:28:27
Rob
It's his assistant, but I get the impression a bit like when Gerard was a Rangers and you have your man Michael Beale talking through matches. I think your man Steve Holland is talking so OK through the game. but don't think he's fully aware, really, of how we can make a change. And and we saw this a little bit with Ireland, with Stephen County, and against Netherlands. Ireland, we're winning. and and and Coleman just made a couple of changes and they won the match and Orland couldn't react. on I think that's what happens to say okay when it gets to a certain level and I think it could happen on on Wednesday. Even though even Tony was like he was de he was disgusted to be coming on in the 94th minute. You're losing to Slovakia. You haven't had a shot on target and you don't make a chance to the 94th minute. You don't deserve to be bailed out there. You deserve to have
00:29:14
Rob
and a torn up put on your head as the top. no You don't deserve that, but you you deserve all the criticism coming your way. and think so okay If England had got a proper tactical manager, Jesus, they they would be right up there with France to win it.
00:29:24
killianginnity
Bye.
00:29:26
Glennon
But but what ah what annoys me about him is like, he can't take Kane out now because if you didn't do it in, you know, game three of the groups, you're not going to do it and in a semi-final. It's, it's madness though. Like and i I understand the caliber of player he is slash was, and yes, he was top score in the Bundesliga, but yeah for me we've talked about this with Arden before when it comes to like we don't need a style of play we just need to win I don't if you're an England fan I don't think you care who starts as long as you win no
00:29:58
Rob
Yeah, who's going to cause Van Dyke more problems? Harry Kane? A traffic home? like To be honest, that's what it's like at this stage.
00:30:05
killianginnity
Thanks.
00:30:06
Rob
Or Ollie Watkins. I love Kane. Kane's probably, I think he's one of my favourite players and he's definitely one of the best English players I've ever seen. But he's injured, like he doesn't look fit and and he's getting in the client. Ollie Watkins will stretch Van Dyke, he will give him something to think about and then maybe Kane comes into the game when it's 80 minutes gone.
00:30:23
Glennon
See where Kane, for me, it doesn't work. is you The way they're playing in that system, they need to have a player who has a turn of pace and kind of can kind of pull back into that almost CDM role and then just accelerate and get in behind them. And he is not your guy for that. Unless you put someone beside him who can do that, it's not going to work.
00:30:44
killianginnity
I think ultimately Kane is a symptom of the problems. I think there's a lack of structure in the team and he's so used to it. like I think he's having Vietnam flashbacks back to Spurs where it was just like, Kane, make us win. Just make it all work.
00:30:58
Nate
yeah
00:30:59
Glennon
But even in that, he had Son doing in the like the donkey work for him, you know?
00:30:59
killianginnity
and he
00:31:01
Nate
Big order her back at the back, you know.
00:31:03
killianginnity
Yeah, but like, I think this is the perennial English problem and that's going on for a quarter century now of, it's not about finding positions for players or getting the right team together. It's about getting the right names in. Why would you bring so many attacking midfielders other than the fact that, oh, I can't be seen to leave out Cole Palmer. I can't be seen to leave out Foden. I can't be seen to leave. leave out back. I can't be seen to leave out Gordon.
00:31:33
killianginnity
bo Bowen, like that's why your team is so imbalanced and then bringing an injured left back? like What is the point of all this? And it's it's it's going back to the days of playing skulls on the right midfield because, oh, sure, you can't not have skulls.
00:31:50
Glennon
I think Rob's right though, man. He's a vibes man. He trades in loyalty.
00:31:56
killianginnity
I don't think he's a vibes man. I think he's a politician.
00:31:58
Rob
Yes, I think this is what I think Garret said it would be a better Prime Minister than a Football Manager.
00:32:04
killianginnity
i say I said it a week or two ago, if you stand him besides Keir Starmer, you cannot tell me which one's Prime Minister.
00:32:04
Rob
I think Garret said it would be a brilliant Prime Minister.
00:32:11
Rob
I think he'd be a better prime minister than Starmer. I don't know what his politics are, but he is.
00:32:14
Nate
or ease if you're watching them.
00:32:15
Rob
He's a statesman. He seems like a lovely guy. No one has a bad word to say about him. I don't know if you guys remember years ago, when John Giles was on the Pondentry and he used to say, would he kill his granny? It's OK if he wouldn't kill his granny. He said, this guy would kill his granny to win a match.
00:32:29
Nate
and
00:32:31
Rob
and I don't think he has that in him at all and I don't think he in the game passing but he doesn't really understand like Kane played brilliant plays brilliant for England when he was playing well even though he is injured and he's getting on is when he has Makash Rasha or Sterling running off him there's no one who runs off him you get Jube Bellingham who thinks he's in a video game just pick up the ball any position he wants.
00:32:53
Glennon
Thank
00:32:54
Rob
You're golden trying to do his little one-two pass and then you've no width.
00:32:57
Glennon
you.
00:32:58
Rob
It's like you don't even have to be like a coach or a tactical like even to understand football that much to watch it to know that it's not really working on it because back to so okay so I feel like I feel like the press now are finding an escape going in Kane and it's a bit it's a bit harsh even though I agree with you Nate he he has been he's been brutal let's be honest.
00:33:17
Nate
but the only one thing that pointed out to me when I heard that he's gone back to three at the back is this fella does not have a system like literally doesn't have a system you cannot change okay he has a formation he doesn't have a system so
00:33:31
Glennon
Does he even have a formation though?
00:33:32
Nate
not
00:33:32
Glennon
Because I think it's just out of sheer habit.
00:33:35
Nate
he's got two formations that he's happy with but when you watch them there's literally no repeating sequences on the football pitch it is crazy and honestly i think he let the mask slip when he switched the formation and it was like mate you are literally all vibes like literally all vibes you just i don't think you can do that in a tournament
00:33:54
Rob
or dropping Trent, you come into it like brief the press, Trent's going to start. If you thought Trent starting in my field was a good idea, what you drop him after is one and a half matches against Denmark and Serbia. Like if you were that convinced...
00:34:09
Glennon
I think you're right with the scapegoat of, I think you're right with the scapegoat of Kane because I think Trent had been the scapegoat up until this tournament, play got that penalty and then it's okay, we can't shit on him, who's next in the queue, Kane.
00:34:15
Rob
Yeah.
00:34:22
Glennon
And I don't, he is carrying the weight of that England team in the press. Is it probably right of this tournament? Yes, but I think he has enough cash in the bank over the years.
00:34:32
killianginnity
Does the English version of Owen McLough have what it takes to win the tournament? Well, according to Grey's Note predictor, not really in comparison to the rest. So Grey's Note has England at 17% chance of winning the Euros and Netherlands 24. Then it's France at 25 and then Conner's favourite, Spain at 34. So, Nate, Spain versus France. Didier Deschamps has even responded to playing about about boring football and Spain seems to be the only kind of proactive team in the tournament left. ah Where are you placing your money?
00:35:13
Nate
I think Spain plays them off the park. That front side has been abysmal, so bad. like I can't believe what I'm watching. like The players that they have, like it's it's actually like crazy.
00:35:29
killianginnity
These are runners up to the world champions.
00:35:30
Nate
and yeah and like if we go back to our bleeding um our preview show like you i think you know all you lads back from doing so well i picked portal so i didn't do much better but
00:35:45
Glennon
No, like France pre-tournament were a different gravy.
00:35:46
Nate
was
00:35:48
Glennon
And like the team they left behind is arguably better than any team that's in this currently. But it's it's like Mbappe, it's not the broken nose. I don't care what anyone says. He's been diabolical from the start of the tournament.
00:36:02
Rob
This is exactly what I was expecting to play like. Genuinely I've never seen them play well in an any tournament. They were involved in some great games like the World Cup Final or when they played Argentina in 2018 World Cup but they'll only ever do what's needed which is if that's a 1-0 win they'll win 1-0 or 2-1 or 3-0 whatever it might be or even now they're like you don't even need to score you don't even need to have a shot on target like we can we can just win on penalties like and that just seems to be their approach so yeah Deshamp is a football terrorist like I would love to see
00:36:32
Nate
the that is
00:36:34
Rob
but it was low like I'd love to see Marcelo Bielsa or I don't know, ralph frani imagine Ralph Rainier coaching these guys.
00:36:35
Nate
He went there, he went there
00:36:42
Rob
He probably wouldn't listen to them. But I don't know, someone with an idea other than just let's try win this would be great because they're so talented. But I never thought I'd say this. I think they're missing pog. But they don't have anyone really on the ball in the field and kind of open pitch up. So and maybe they're they they're just playing their percentages.
00:37:04
killianginnity
Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't i don't think Pogba is going to fix their problems. Deschamps was a defensive midfielder, like like an anchorman defensive midfielder as a player. And you can tell, like you can absolutely see that his whole mentality is just kind of like solidity structure.
00:37:23
Glennon
It's similar with Southgate because he's a defender as well and he's so boring in his approach and he's got some of the best attacking options in world football and he just all it is is my back four and Slabhead is surprisingly not in that team, which looking back now he probably should be.
00:37:23
killianginnity
Let's just get the job done.
00:37:40
killianginnity
yeah I don't, I don't think he was going to, he's going to fix anything that like there's too much broken with that team. Like don't forget middles, Burr. He failed at middles where after spending a lot of money in middles, Burr terms, and he got sacked by them half a turn, the season in the championship.
00:37:54
Nate
Yeah.
00:37:54
killianginnity
Cause he wasn't doing enough to get them promoted. This is not a manager of a high caliber, but the shop had these guys at a World Cup final and.
00:37:58
Rob
no
00:38:02
Rob
No.
00:38:05
killianginnity
Look at Germany. Germany were boring but effective. And it was kind of one of them kind of going like, yeah, it's not great, but you're getting the job done. France doesn't necessarily seem to be getting the job done anymore now.
00:38:17
Rob
Sorry, the underachieved in all and older tournaments were when they won a
00:38:20
killianginnity
No.
00:38:22
Nate
and It was just so bad. like t Even thinking back to Portugal fans, I thought I was stuck in a recurring time. like I thought that match was never going to end. Honestly, I think I looked at the clock and it was like 116 minutes for like 20 minutes in a row. like It was so bad. um I get frustrated when I watch football and I can't see a system.
00:38:48
killianginnity
Mm.
00:38:48
Nate
I'm like, the least you can provide me going into a tournament is the most basic system, like just anything. But it seems like a lot of these teams are just, they're just, they're just kicking the ball about, you know what I mean? And player wise, like they should be, they're still like, in my opinion, the best, the best team in the in the world.
00:39:11
killianginnity
Yeah, well, they are possibly the the best team left in our sweepstakes because there's only two years left, which is Connor and you, Nate, Netherlands.
00:39:20
Glennon
and i would and i would like to say that i said this in the beginning i never wanted to i would have rather i would have rather anyone else like i would i don't want to win this sweepstakes like
00:39:27
Rob
Yeah.
00:39:30
killianginnity
But do we think that France have enough to grind out a result against Spain?
00:39:34
Nate
No.
00:39:35
Glennon
Oh, I don't know, man. I think it depends. it it The ball, pardon the pun, is in Spain's box, to be honest. Like it if Spain turn up and play France, if Spain turn up and play, they will beat France. If they turn up with like a rudderless system that depends on Lamine Lamalle, they probably won't.
00:39:55
Rob
I think France are going to do them.
00:39:57
Glennon
Yeah.
00:39:57
Rob
Unfortunately, I'd love to see Spain win it. They pay the best football, the best midfield. But like like where you have to give France credit is their offence. I know it's probably easier, but Saliba's been great.
00:40:09
Glennon
Yeah.
00:40:09
Rob
And Conde is very good. Their goalkeeper is very good, Mike Manion. So like I think they will make they'll find a way to keep a lid on Maratte. And it's the two lads out wide that they'll have to. but then Kante is back from the dead, like the Undertaker, and and he's like, he will find a way to put a lid on those two lads.
00:40:27
killianginnity
so good
00:40:29
Rob
so And Rabial will be back in in Griezmann. So they do have really hard workers. It's just a shame that they've so much talent that we could be going into this and thing. And this is an all-time classic match. Instead, it will be probably France winning on penalties.
00:40:44
killianginnity
Hopefully they'll be rejuvenated by their election win that all the players were very, very pleased about.
00:40:49
Rob
Yeah.
00:40:49
killianginnity
and So do we think Netherlands have enough to beat England?
00:40:56
Nate
Yes.
00:40:56
Glennon
um i Again, this sounds like I'm just reciting the same answers but I think it hinges on how England play. I think if England play like they did in the group stages, Netherlands can beat them. If England play like they did in the last game, they probably can't.
00:41:14
killianginnity
Does it hurt sitting on the fence so much?
00:41:16
Rob
I'm saying...
00:41:17
Nate
Well, England played the exact same as they did in the group stages in the last game. was just they They got lucky at the end with the penalties.
00:41:24
Rob
And you yeah you're slightly quicker.
00:41:27
Nate
I honestly don't think they've changed one bit. It's still the same ball and football.
00:41:29
Rob
No. The showcase big trick was to play Trippier on the left. Like they thought he was going to switch the formation. The big trick was to do the exact same thing. I'm saying 2-1 Netherlands. England the score forced.
00:41:40
Glennon
Wow. Okay.
00:41:42
Rob
Netherlands, I figured them out. They did that against Turkey. They did that against Ireland. um like they deep They drew away and France. and I think the Dutch will find a way. I'm not going to say who. I don't think it would be a big vote, but I think England will score like they did against Croatia, like they did against Italy.
00:41:58
Glennon
Killian, what are you talking?
00:42:01
Rob
like um sok and They'll they'll retreat into their shell and the Dutch will find a way to beat them.
00:42:07
Glennon
kelly what are you saying
00:42:09
killianginnity
I think Netherlands will win. um I don't know if England...
00:42:12
Glennon
Jesus, boys, we're really going anti-brid on this part.
00:42:14
Nate
Yeah.
00:42:15
killianginnity
yeah i trust I think um Netherlands have proven they can get a goal. And England have kind of proven the opposite. like They have gotten goals. But just so inconsistent about it, like, and it's just so hard work for them to do it. It's like they have an aversion to being good. And yeah, I just don't think it's going to change in this match. Um, I think the players are going to be getting more tired. I think. I said it from early on that I thought there was this kind of little murmuring in the camp that it all wasn't right.
00:42:52
killianginnity
That just seemed to be not the vibes weren't there anymore. And I think that's going to shine true. And um anything to see Rio Ferdinand sad and like the man talks about football like an eight year old who played his only ever played feet.
00:43:00
Rob
Yeah.
00:43:04
Glennon
He's honestly the worst. like he ah Of them all, like I know you hate Meika Richards, we're all not big Gary Neville heads, but like Rio has to be the worst of them.
00:43:06
Rob
Oh my god.
00:43:13
Rob
Oh, he's insufferable. I knocked on BBC one day because when it's on the verge of media, I can switch between RTE and BBC. I need sunglasses on. I'm like, mate, you're not bombo. Take off your fucking sunglasses. Like, who do you think you are?
00:43:25
Glennon
ah
00:43:27
Rob
Like, you're on the BBC. Like, I mean, people pay. This is taxpayers' money. Give me analysis. You play it at a high level. Instead, you just turn around and call it tomorrow by their nicknames. You call Bukai Osaka Starboy the other day. I'm like, imagine your dad watching out or something. Like, what are you talking about, mate?
00:43:41
Glennon
Thank you.
00:43:43
Rob
What does this bring to the party? you Just grab some fella on off the street. It's horrendous. To see those guys cry are be miserable. That's partly why I'm rooting against England. No other other real reason really.
00:43:57
Glennon
I genuinely think England, what i I'm getting off this England team is, genuinely it's like your car's running out of petrol. You're looking at the going, okay, 20 miles, how far to the petrol station? And you'll get, and they'll just land in at the fucking ride at the petrol station. I think they could, with the worst performances they've done in a tournament, in a good stretch, I actually think they're going to go to the final. I would love nothing more than the Netherlands to win, but I just
00:44:20
Nate
I don't know about you boys, but I'm like praying we get a rerun of the 2010 Oracle final like Spain versus Netherlands, please.
00:44:32
Glennon
That'll be great.
00:44:33
Nate
I'm telling you, I pay a lot more money to switch the old teams with the new ones. I'd tell you that.
00:44:38
killianginnity
I think if they, if that is the final, it'd be great to do a watch along with the 2010 one.
00:44:44
Nate
Yeah.
00:44:44
killianginnity
That's because like, at least, at least you can kind of look back at the, at the madness and the karate kicks and, and the big great goals from, from miles out at at random times, um, when they were needed.
00:44:57
Nate
Bring us back.
00:44:58
killianginnity
Um, has there been any, any players in the tournament lads that has stood out to you in the mid you kind of go, Oh, actually, like I have,
00:45:06
Glennon
from From an England point of view, Kanza and Gehi for me, um I think they've been quite standard.
00:45:10
killianginnity
Hmm.
00:45:12
Glennon
I think Gehi's been England's best defender. um ah Outside of that, have you ever a think, boys, anyone you're you're thinking?
00:45:20
Rob
I know we see him all the time for mentally, but Rodri is so good. and I love Danny Omo of Spain.
00:45:26
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:45:27
Rob
The race strikes the ball. it's just like It's so clean. He's brilliant. I love Rodri. I was watching him against I think it was Georgia.
00:45:38
Glennon
The man doesn't lose games. He just doesn't.
00:45:39
Rob
Yeah and against Germany and he made like about four blocks in a row and you could just feel like Germany's just meant and just sapped out and he's just so good. i Like probably for me should be top three for Ballon d'Or. Not that I really care that much about but he is class.
00:45:56
Nate
Kobe maning lads he has been unreal he's been mate in an underperforming England side in an underperforming England side he has been head and shoulders above 90% that's him he has been
00:45:58
Rob
but like He's been good, I don't know he's been.
00:46:02
Glennon
take his age Take his age out of it. Take his age out of it.
00:46:04
Rob
He's a good player, he's very good.
00:46:05
Glennon
What do you say?
00:46:11
Rob
But, yeah, go on then, sorry.
00:46:12
killianginnity
He's gotten very good experience for his age, which will hold well for the next turnout.
00:46:19
Rob
Yeah.
00:46:19
Nate
He's played so well that he can't be used as a scapegoat. i so that That's one thing to think about. Because he's an easy scapegoat.
00:46:24
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:46:25
Glennon
yeah
00:46:26
Nate
He is an easy scapegoat. Because if he if he wasn't performed well, he could go, why are you so gay playing the 18-year-olds?
00:46:30
Glennon
Yeah.
00:46:32
Nate
like
00:46:33
Rob
He's been good. I think he got to give him a seven in most of his matches.
00:46:34
Nate
i think god
00:46:36
Rob
I don't think he's been on Rodgeri level or even
00:46:36
Nate
I'm not enough saying he's been on, Roger.
00:46:40
Rob
Musa out, Musa out, lesbian class as well.
00:46:43
Glennon
Embolo as well for me for Switzerland i already cut across you could.
00:46:43
killianginnity
before the tournament,
00:46:47
killianginnity
and Bolo only turns up at tournaments though. That man is a football manager legend, but he only ever turns up.
00:46:53
Nate
Take care.
00:46:53
killianginnity
He spends the rest of the years injured. or whatever, like he he gets transfers but he only turns up at tournaments. I said before the tournament that there would be some players coming out of this that like that kind of ah appeared and would be getting good big fees. I think you could say that about half the Georgian team from their goalkeeper, their wingers, like there is going to be a big transfer out of that team this summer off the back of this tournament.
00:47:11
Glennon
Yeah.
00:47:12
Rob
yeah
00:47:18
Rob
Yeah.
00:47:18
killianginnity
And I am so here for like their goal.
00:47:20
Glennon
Switzerland too. like I know there's seven other players in the Premier League and there are decent clubs, but I think there'll be movement there. I think the likes of Albania as well. I think there'll be some movement there. um Your Romanias as well.
00:47:31
Nate
I had a doodler for turkeys, of already go die like he's be some player.
00:47:32
killianginnity
and
00:47:33
Rob
Oh yeah he's class.
00:47:35
Glennon
He's frightened you.
00:47:36
killianginnity
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:39
killianginnity
He's already at Madrid.
00:47:40
Nate
yeah
00:47:40
killianginnity
It's just like, there's nothing to look forward to with him.
00:47:42
Nate
no no and
00:47:42
killianginnity
It's just domination.
00:47:44
Nate
I'm looking forward to how good a player he can become. like If he's training with that level of players now, like I think his ceiling is very high.
00:47:51
Glennon
what's What's amazing about him as well is like I was watching him and what ah in the most recent game and he has no problem bossing around 30-year-old men at the age of what, 17?
00:48:03
Nate
yeah yeah um he's 18 but i think the thing that excites me with him is he's at an asian like turkey he's not at like your spain your france here so like he is the future turkey you know what i mean so i think that's exciting where he can take turkey and in future tournaments and stuff like that because he'll be the main guy
00:48:05
Rob
Yeah, 18, 19 now East class.
00:48:05
Glennon
What is he?
00:48:20
killianginnity
Hmm. Can he reach the heights of Nihat and Tu-ge and Tun-chi-sanly?
00:48:31
Glennon
In terms of his popularity, right I ah saw a tweet he did recently and the other way on Twitter, you can see the impressions or Rachel wherever it was 20 million.
00:48:38
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:48:41
Rob
Oh, I'm mad for it. The Turkish fans are mad. Absolutely. If you can link any player to Turkish club, you will see incredible traction on that online.
00:48:51
killianginnity
So are you saying what I said a long time ago? It's great when players play for small nations and y'all told me I was wrong.
00:48:55
Glennon
yeah ah is Turkey's not a small nation.
00:48:59
killianginnity
No, but you know what I mean.
00:49:00
Nate
Oh boy, I think...
00:49:00
Rob
Particularly Turkey, they are nuts for it.
00:49:00
Glennon
Yeah.
00:49:03
Rob
like Yeah.
00:49:03
Nate
Lemania Mal has been really good as well, like he's he's a frightening player, like what is he still 16?
00:49:06
Rob
Yeah.
00:49:10
Nate
17?
00:49:10
killianginnity
like Like when you consider
00:49:10
Rob
He's seven in the day before the final.
00:49:10
Glennon
Six. Yeah.
00:49:13
Nate
Like that's crazy.
00:49:14
killianginnity
last kind of high profile player of that age at a tournament for this neck of the woods anyway was Walcott 2006. And six um it was just the fact that he was on the plane.
00:49:25
Glennon
He should never have gone to that tournament.
00:49:25
Rob
Yeah.
00:49:25
Nate
wait so you can win the final a day after you turn 70 that's crazy i'm
00:49:27
Rob
No.
00:49:27
killianginnity
But no, I'm just saying like, that was what a 16 year old was a decade ago.
00:49:31
Glennon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:32
killianginnity
And now they're leading the line.
00:49:35
Rob
Yeah.
00:49:36
killianginnity
It's yeah.
00:49:37
Rob
Niko Williams as well, like when you look at some of the garbage that Chelsea bought like and this guy is available for 55 million euro, still buying.
00:49:45
Nate
just still buying by the way like me how many players did i have like i'm um um
00:49:49
Rob
He's better than any winger they have now at the moment.
00:49:53
killianginnity
All of them.
00:49:54
Nate
like Because I don't see people going out.
00:49:57
killianginnity
No, it's, it's the.
00:50:00
Nate
They could feel tree teens on my mess.
00:50:03
Glennon
Oh, 100%.
00:50:04
Nate
like
00:50:04
Glennon
One other player actually, lads, Tio Hernandez.
00:50:08
killianginnity
Yeah, he's been very good.
00:50:08
Rob
Busy.
00:50:09
Glennon
it
00:50:11
Glennon
He's kind of bit's like, for me, like he's, he's one of those sleeper players where you're you're kind of just a bit like, you knew of him, you knew he was decent, but he's had some tournament in my book.
00:50:11
killianginnity
and
00:50:21
killianginnity
Yeah, no, he he is he has been very, very good. and Gentlemen, I think it's been a slightly underwhelming tournament, of what looked to be one for the underdogs to be kind of breakthrough and potentially kind of like, maybe we might get a grease again and or you have somebody different. ah We have four of the classic teams ah in the semifinals. um Obviously, we will be watching, but anybody excited?
00:50:45
Rob
Oh yeah, I feel fun.
00:50:46
Glennon
I know I am. Yeah, like, it' it's like, yeah, and I like, you know, whatever these games go, it's great to have kind of high profile games on and, you know, there's always like, I think at least there's a Netherlands in it to make it and give it a bit of spice, you know.
00:50:47
Rob
Yeah, it's still going to be dramatic.
00:50:50
Nate
Nah, nah.
00:51:02
Nate
Bring me the primary day, please.
00:51:04
Rob
Nah, these matches don't come along often. When you're watching, I don't even know who I've come up with last season, you're watching Leicester be, I don't know, who would give you a bad team?
00:51:11
Nate
Hey, McKenna, there's a sound call.
00:51:13
Rob
So Hampton, Leicester resounding on Friday night in rainy October, you'd be thinking and that Euro semi-final, where Netherlands won 7-0 actually wasn't that bad.
00:51:23
killianginnity
ah If that happened, if any team if any team wins like 4-0, that would actually make up for the rest of the tournament.
00:51:24
Nate
Ordinalo draw and he's win on penalties.
00:51:24
Rob
It was traumatic though. a yeah But it's actually 10 years to the day now since Germany, B, M, Brazil, 7-2.
00:51:36
Glennon
Wow.
00:51:38
killianginnity
Oh,
00:51:39
Glennon
so
00:51:40
Rob
Yeah.
00:51:40
Nate
See, that was real football.
00:51:40
Glennon
Jesus, wow.
00:51:41
Nate
That was real football.
00:51:41
Rob
7-1, sorry. 7-1. That was dramatic.
00:51:45
Nate
That was Louise crying.
00:51:45
Rob
Now that was, yeah.
00:51:47
killianginnity
that was traumatic. Let's be honest. Um, but gentlemen, it brings us to the end of our podcast. Thank you very much for joining me and we'll chat to you probably ahead of the final, trying to get one in before the final.
00:51:56
Nate
Been a pleasure.
00:52:01
Nate
Yeah, it's half of me.
00:52:02
Glennon
Think so.
00:52:03
killianginnity
Yeah. We'll chat to you then.