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Crooked River Cast Show 27
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- Charlie Kirk aftermath, CLE fire chief and the first amendment.
- Ohio lawmakers propose new Bills in wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
- The battle for America on Facebook?
- Property tax working group deadline approaches.
- Max Miller say bring on the National Guard!
- Breaking! ODOT approves Cleveland Browns Stadium...
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Overview
00:00:02
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Cricut Rivercast. I am Robert, your host, and joining me every week is my friend Tom as we attempt to stay in front of some of what is going on in Northeast Ohio.
00:00:14
Speaker
This is show 27, recorded on September 20th, 2025. Another week has gone by and we've got a lot of stuff to talk about it, so let's go. In the morning, Rob.
00:00:26
Speaker
In the morning, Tom. How was your morning?
00:00:31
Speaker
yeah Oh, okay.
Morning Banter and Personal Stories
00:00:32
Speaker
We're going go there. I had a physical this morning. Well, got to let at least let the listeners know that Tom might be a little extra ornery today because... I'm okay.
00:00:41
Speaker
Okay. You're coming off of a whole night of not eating and stuff. Yeah, yeah. But i just I just stuffed my face with the a sausage McMuffin. Oh, Sausage and egg McMuffin. All right. Well, ne thanks for letting me know because then might have to make sure I keep you awake you don't fall asleep after that. because Yeah, well, that's what the coffee's for. Oh, that... See? See?
00:01:00
Speaker
Drugs. Just had a mini physical and passed five of my six metrics that you need to pass for your shitty health care I got. so what Oh my goodness. You you passed.
00:01:15
Speaker
so Actually, I should have shouldve got ah six out of six. the my My blood pressure was a little high this morning. I don't know why. i think i think... I wonder.
00:01:27
Speaker
I think... I don't think the... The person taking the measurement did a good job. No. Because it was it was it was so much higher than normal. so Huh.
00:01:39
Speaker
Well, I mean, it could have been for the last time two weeks of life.
Ohio vs. National News: Should They Mix?
00:01:44
Speaker
oh Yeah, maybe. Speaking of the last week, ah you know, I don't know.
00:01:52
Speaker
We've tossed around as we've moved through this, you know, gotten through what, six months of the show or whatever, whether we should do, we've talked about the concept of a national national story segment.
00:02:07
Speaker
And we really want to focus on Ohio, especially Northeast Ohio. And, but some weeks, I dont know about you, but I feel like there, there are some stories that are so big that I think we have to talk about it because ignoring it would be weird.
00:02:23
Speaker
um Example last week was obviously Charlie Kirk being assassinated.
Charlie Kirk's Assassination: Impact and Reactions
00:02:27
Speaker
Another example was what we had talked about briefly about the flood in Texas. um You know, when stuff like that happens, i don't know what, what's, what do you think?
00:02:39
Speaker
You think we should, I mean, those are things you do you think we should touch on or? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's a way around it. yeah I mean, part of me. Depends on the story. doesn't have be every week. Part of me wouldn't mind doing 45 minute separate show Yep.
00:02:58
Speaker
Where this could lead to. Yeah, we could do a national show. and Yeah. Like, yeah, there's just sometimes you just can't ignore what's going on. and even though you're trying to focus in on Ohio, you try to tie it together with Ohio, which oftentimes we can't.
00:03:12
Speaker
But um when story gets big enough, and you know, there's ramifications throughout the country and a lot of states. And this we are literally living through one right now.
00:03:24
Speaker
Yeah, I would like to add a segment. it well well you know what You know what we need? We need to go out for a beer and talk this over. There you go.
00:03:35
Speaker
what Anything for excuse to have a beer. Or a bourbon and a cigar. ah bourbon, old-fashioned, definitely a cigar, regardless. Yeah, it's something we need to talk about.
00:03:47
Speaker
And if you have any thoughts on this, let us know. Where would they let us know, Tom? I think they should email us at crooked river cast at gmail.com.
00:04:03
Speaker
Right. That's one plug already. We just barely started the show and they can subscribe to our podcast. Yes. Leave a review. If you like what you hear. Yeah.
00:04:14
Speaker
And you can find us on all the podcast plot platforms and YouTube
Listener Engagement and Feedback
00:04:20
Speaker
platforms and YouTube. Yeah, i I wasn't ready for that, Rob.
00:04:26
Speaker
I know. I like that. Spontaneity, Tom, spontaneity. So this week, what are we dealing with? Well, I think we're dealing with the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination. This last week was quite eye-opening for, think, a lot of people, including myself to some point, but maybe not as much as those who have their head a little farther buried in the sand than than we do.
00:04:49
Speaker
And the reactions. um Wow. Wow. um So, I mean, I was on X and man, I found some, I found some triggered memes, some memes that trigger some people. woof And some of the responses I got,
00:05:08
Speaker
were quite vile and disgusting. And these are just regular people. And it kind of brought up what started my my list of stories this week. is does you know We'll get into this later, but does the ah the First Amendment protect you at work?
00:05:25
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And as I'm digging around looking for stuff, I ran into a couple of, well, I ran into a one speech from Steve Dace, who I believe is from the Blaze Network. I think he's still there.
00:05:36
Speaker
And he has a podcast. I believe it's a radio show and in some areas, too, possibly. don't remember anymore. I haven't listened to him in a while. And he's talking at the Conservative Partnership Institution, the CPI, I guess. And i figured he asks, do we know where we are?
00:05:54
Speaker
Are people awake? Where is the country? And what do we do now? And this next clip, he's talking a little bit about what he believes as is one of our problems. Our main problem
Political Violence and Social Compact: A Conversation with Steve Dace
00:06:05
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is that our social compact is broke.
00:06:08
Speaker
He does. He goes into a little more detail, which I cut out just for time because this is a 45 minute speech. I pulled like three or four clips, four clips out of it and whittled them down as much as I could without taking out the context. But here's a, here's how he starts and kind of gets into what, what his, what he feels we need to do.
00:06:29
Speaker
I can't promise. i think I'm out of tears. I know that I'm out of patience. Why was Charlie assassinated? We understand it was a spiritual war. We understand it was over the gospel.
00:06:42
Speaker
But why? Why now? what What is going on in this moment right now? The social compact in America is broken. And I think if you do not understand that, you won't ah you won't understand a single syllable of what Steve Bannon just said five minutes ago.
00:06:55
Speaker
Now, what is a social compact? All human relationships are governed by a social compact. It is the system of ethics, shared values, virtues, and vision that brings human beings together, whether it's a business partnership, whether it's a marriage, whether it's a political party, whether it's a country.
00:07:15
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You only start shooting your opposition
00:07:19
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when the social compact is broken and you don't want it put back together again. And you have to understand the same forces that did the shooting at Utah Valley State, they broke that social compact. They did it on purpose. They do not want to live with you.
00:07:32
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And they won't. And they keep sending signals to people like Senator Lankford. The social compact is broken. Everyone in this room, has a family member or a neighbor on their street who cheered when Charlie was assassinated, which means they would do the same if that bullet landed in you.
00:07:52
Speaker
And if you do not understand this and where we are at, then I can't help you and you're of no use to any of us. This is where we are. There is no negotiating with this.
00:08:03
Speaker
There is no dialoguing with this. Everything Charlie did was to defeat this. The dialogue, the debate was to defeat it. not to coexist with it. He recognized this is a zero-sum game.
00:08:17
Speaker
We must understand the hour is late where we are. My buddy Scott Rasmussen has a poll out today that shows 15% of Americans think that the country is better off that Charlie Kirk was assassinated 15% of this country would be almost 40 million people. That would be the largest standing army in the history of our species.
00:08:36
Speaker
I want to talk about the solutions because of what time it is. I'm going to assume everybody here tonight knows what time it is. So then what do we do? So what do we do?
00:08:47
Speaker
He says. So he's in DC. He's it's speaking to, it's probably a fundraiser of some sorts and at Washington DC. He is scheduled to be speaking. He was scheduled to be speaking with Charlie in a few weeks from now.
00:09:02
Speaker
And that date is still on. He still plans to do it. What we've seen in the last week is pretty Pretty vile stuff. and but what what he So he has three solutions. and Let me get back to my notes. Three things that we need to do.
00:09:20
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Or what Steve says he's afraid of. What he says earlier in the clip is ah the next stop is Antietam. And as if anybody remembers, yeah not me, I had to look it up.
00:09:33
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Antietam is a battle. I knew that. I couldn't remember what battle it was. Antenam is that not only the deadliest Civil War battle, but the deadliest single day battle in American military history. twenty Over 22,000 people, Americans died that day in Civil War.
00:09:50
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So that's what he, you know, course he's he's speaking. So he's, ah and this is and this is what he does. He's he's he's a history buff. And I'm not sure if Antenam is where the next stop is, but this is this is his.
00:10:03
Speaker
So what's number one? He thinks number one is, well, first we need to do is punish evil. Let's see what he has to say. Number one, forgive me, I'm a Bible worldview guy. I'm a biblical worldview guy. It's my prime directive.
00:10:19
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So I'm going to start there. The scriptures say the only reason God permits government on this earth is to be an avenging angel, a sword of righteousness against evil.
00:10:30
Speaker
The people in this room who hold elected office and the ones who are not, you must punish evil. You must punish it. You must.
00:10:40
Speaker
And I don't want to hear, well, like what I'll do it to us when they have power. They've already done it all. They're all going to do it all over again. 2005 called, and it wants its talking points back.
00:10:55
Speaker
That's not where we are right now. My friend's body is cold to testify to that truth. That's not where we are. We have to punish evil.
00:11:06
Speaker
Use the power that we have. Punish evil. A literal invasion was allowed into this country. Who's gone to prison for it? The people that did that invasion lied, the greatest lie in the history of Americana, that the president wasn't incompetent.
00:11:21
Speaker
Who was running the country? Who's gone to prison for this? Who's been referred to prosecution? Who's been arrested? I don't know what you guys talk about in DC, dc but I can tell you in Des Moines. And when I go speak for TPUSA in California, I'm going to go to Boise later this week. i'm going to hear the same thing. Coast to coast, all over the country, what they want to see is punishments.
00:11:43
Speaker
That's what they want to see. We have to punish evil. If we don't punish evil, there will be more
Political Accountability and Legislation in Ohio
00:11:51
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evil. I promise you. And as he says in one point that clipped out, if anyone's been a parent, you know, if you don't punish bad behavior, you are almost guaranteed to get more bad behavior.
00:12:04
Speaker
So you brought up Ohio GOP lawmakers have introduced Bill 457 coming in the wake of the assassination Charlie Kirk and Democratic House Speaker Portman.
00:12:17
Speaker
457 seeks to defend define state hate crime statutes by adding victims of partisan affiliation. I guess that's way they say it.
00:12:28
Speaker
The fact that I don't, I don't, it's weird that this isn't already kind a thing. I mean, I'm not a big fan of hate crime, hate crimes. Like doesn't like if you, if you assault somebody and put them in the hospital, it's kind of given that you hate that person.
00:12:46
Speaker
So why does there have to be an extra statute for hate crime? There shouldn't be. Right. So that part, I'm not whatever, but something has to be done. These people have to be scared of what they, they at least at least to some point, right? There has to be some accountability or some deterrent.
00:13:06
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I think there will be here soon.
00:13:11
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. I mean, but by, ah he's going to you know, President Trump is, um, labeled, ah I don't know how that, I don't know if he did an executive order yet or he will be, but he labeled Antifa as a terrorist group.
00:13:27
Speaker
So I think, and they're going to pull Rico on ah Soros and they're going to look for where the money's coming from for all these groups. And I think there's going to be arrests here soon.
00:13:41
Speaker
I hope ah hope we hope you're correct. that i'd like i'd I mean, they have to do something. We have to escalate the punishment because they are... asking I mean, this is getting completely out of control and needs to be it needs to be nipped in the butt.
00:13:55
Speaker
And because it's... It's ramping up. And I mean, i didn't live, to we didn't live through sixties, but I can imagine this was very similar feelings back then in the sixties.
00:14:07
Speaker
People were getting assassinated. What seems to be left and right, you know, at that time, but it wasn't, but yeah, there was quite a few people in in a four or five year period that were assassinated for political reasons in the sixties. Yeah. The, the, the difference now is we, you know, um, online behavior,
00:14:23
Speaker
Well, yep. Thank you for the segue, Tom. The next a clip I have from Steve is is number two. So number one, he says we need to punish it. And needs' and and not just the person, the assassin that we didn't actually talk much about last week, which is just fine because we didn't know a whole lot. But not just punishing this person or Luigi, whatever, you know, the guy who you know shot the healthcare CEO.
00:14:49
Speaker
But people want to see punishments from, you know,
00:14:55
Speaker
Why does the former Secretary of State allowed to have her own server in her house and allowed to wipe it clean, even though the FBI knew that she did this? They said, well, you know, we don't want to affect an election.
00:15:12
Speaker
Punishments. Punishments. need need to i mean, I don't care who you are. you need to hold They just tried to put the Republican candidate in prison for 95
00:15:24
Speaker
And they they arrested his lawyers, too. Arrested his lawyers, arrested some of his political team. Which is illegal. i don't i don't even know how they got away with that. But that's just because nobody's pushing back.
00:15:36
Speaker
Right. Exactly. Punishment. they they have a so So Steve goes on and asks in this next clip, where do we think that they think they are?
00:15:50
Speaker
So we know where do we think we are in this? Well, where where do we think they are? but where Where do we think you know they think they are? And he says, well, next we this this bad behavior, these this reaction, it needs to be publicly shunned.
00:16:09
Speaker
There needs to be, when you're this vile, it needs to have a cost to it. And he explains.
00:16:18
Speaker
Where do you think they think we are? And how comfortable do you think they are in that position that now the stuff that was left for Marx was right 14 on a discus page at MSNBC.com's comment sections a decade ago.
00:16:34
Speaker
Now teachers, nurses, public officials, financial advisors, Just post this stuff under their names and they're proud to do it.
00:16:46
Speaker
Where do you think we are? Because I promise you it's much later on the clock than James Lankford thinks it is. Much later. It's very late if we're this comfortable. Think of a marriage.
00:16:57
Speaker
There are stages of its disillusionment. Maybe at first when things go wrong, maybe we can put it back together again. So there are certain things you don't say about the other party, even in counseling, because you know, if you say some of these things, even if you're thinking them, they're like red lines, places where if I say this, there's no going back that essentially pronounces this marriage is over.
00:17:19
Speaker
That's what they're doing now. Hey, if if you unfortunately have a heart attack while wearing anything with TPUSA swag on it and you go to the hospital, are you confident Nurse Ratched, who was happy to get on TikTok and lose herself like Eminem over Charlie's assassination, you're confident she's going to overlook that swag and treat you with the Hippocratic Oath?
00:17:39
Speaker
Because that was the same nurse that said you should lose your job for not taking a toxic genetic serum everybody knows never worked. The hour is late. We have to publicly shame this out of existence.
00:17:51
Speaker
That's the only antidote. Good example right here. stuff has to be shunned. There should be a graveyard of lost jobs. lost careers. Hey, Jimmy. The social stigma to this should be overwhelming.
00:18:02
Speaker
No one would say, here's my NAMBLA membership, and let me show you the catalog of the children that I abused. No one would do that because they would know the social cost of doing so would be so overwhelming, they'd lose their place as an American.
00:18:17
Speaker
That's what we must do to this political sadism. It cannot be permitted to see the light of day at all. I also like to bring up, I did clip in between. He does a lot of pausing during this.
00:18:29
Speaker
So you you may hear that. I did clip it just to save. I mean, I was saving like 20 seconds, 30 seconds on a clip. ah So yeah, publicly shun it. um So we have punish it.
00:18:40
Speaker
We've got the GOP wants harsher penalties on political violence. We also, which immediately skipped right over, which was the other, um the other story that you brought up was from cleveland.com was Ohio's weighing in, allowing politicians, judges and judges to carry handguns at work.
Should Politicians Carry Guns?
00:18:59
Speaker
Currently they're not allowed to. Some judges are ah depending on the court. I believe is that correct. You think, I think that's what I read. Yeah. Yeah. um But we're not.
00:19:12
Speaker
there's maybe, maybe we could be able to bring it in when, I don't know, you know, I'm not sure if the defendant should be armed when he goes to court. I guess maybe that's okay. But I mean, so there's like a, but judges and, and if you're, if you're in the state Senate, Senator at the state Senate level or house, would you be able to conceal carry?
00:19:37
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. I think that would be a really good place you should be able to conceal carry. I think think it makes sense. i think they do in DC. Yeah. I think they're allowed to. Yeah. Yeah. yeah So I don't know It's recent though.
00:19:49
Speaker
I don't know if it is. Is it? Maybe not. It might not be. I can't myself. It came up recently. mean, I was a new, it was a few years ago, maybe a new, a new house member was bringing it in, I think. And they had a big stick, big stink. Yeah. But, but they, they were allowed to. I think they were allowed to. Yeah. I think that's I'm thinking it was. Yeah. No, it wasn't something new.
00:20:08
Speaker
Judges. It makes sense. I mean, I mean, ah having a judge carry makes sense to me. I mean, you're sitting up on on the bench. I guess you're in a courthouse where you go through metal detectors, but in and out of the courthouse, that kind of stuff, you know, you're you're you're very vulnerable. So Second Amendment, right? Where's he going to where's he goingnna put his holster?
00:20:30
Speaker
There's nothing underneath those robes. no. You gave me that visual? Oh, jeez.
00:20:37
Speaker
That's true, but Tom, they have they have solutions. I can point you to some websites if you're looking at doing that. I mean, they have body bands. you can
00:20:49
Speaker
I guarantee you, you can have it sewn into your robe if you find the right person. You know how hard that would be to draw? The robe just lifts off.
00:21:02
Speaker
Oh, boy. There can't be no retention at all.
00:21:07
Speaker
Yes, I think you're correct. But yes, they do have... I guess he could have an ankle holster. Well, they have body bands. You seen the one? by it They show... They yeah advertise it for women who go jogging and stuff in, like, you know, ah yoga pants and stuff.
00:21:24
Speaker
Ah, yoga pants. Anyway, um so so... I've never seen a pair look good. Only on television. Part... Let's move right past that. So part... ah so you know, increasing the penalties, maybe making it less attractive to go after politicians because they might be carrying guns.
00:21:44
Speaker
That was, that was punished. Shun. Sean, that brings up our next story that, um that we were in the list, which is, Oh, ah so like he says, are you confident if you had a TP USA shirt on and you had a heart attack, went into the, went to the hospital with, with the nurse,
00:22:01
Speaker
Take care of you with her all. Will she give you 110% at your your most dire moment? Or would she if you know take their time getting over to you because she saw that shirt on? Well, what if but if you're in Cleveland and you've got a Trump flag in your house? I know this is probably highly unlikely in Cleveland, but if you've got a Trump flag or a TPUSA or you you put up a sign saying RIP Charlie Kirk and your house is on fire,
00:22:30
Speaker
and that And you know the chief is an anti, you know, you think he's going to give you his all?
00:22:36
Speaker
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I think if they're allowed to to be this vile in public, I think this but emboldens them a little bit more. and Maybe not. So what's happening is um props to Mayor Bibb.
Social Media Controversies and Public Accountability
00:22:50
Speaker
Props to Mayor Bibb. And no. Well, right now, yes. We'll see. what mean What do you mean, no? No, he got suspended. Okay, this fire chief posted something on social media that was celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.
00:23:03
Speaker
Basically, right right? He said um he posted a picture of an assault rifle with the caption, bring on the next sacrifice. Right. So, okay. So this, this is the fire chief who's got no sense. Anthony Luke. He's on paid administrative leave while while the investigation. That's what, that's the thing, man. He's on paid administrative leave. Come on It's, it's Justin Bibb.
00:23:26
Speaker
I'm, I'm shocked he did anything. I really am. He didn't do anything. point, it my, my, way he's getting paid. I wish I was on paid administrative leave. Fair point.
00:23:38
Speaker
I was about to say props to Mayor Bibb, but let's follow this through and make sure he actually gets fired. Because right now he's not fired. He's on paid administrative leave, like you said. Yeah, yeah. i pending Pending investigation. We'll see how that goes. I'm expecting, because I'm cynical, I'm expecting that this is all going to blow over and he's going put back in.
00:23:57
Speaker
And we'll be talking about this in a few weeks.
00:24:01
Speaker
But I mean... I don't I guess, yeah, public pressure would make him he'd have to do this. But he says ah yesterday, a social media post by fire chief Anthony Luke was brought to my attention.
00:24:13
Speaker
In it, he shared an image of a rifle ball. We said that to bring on the next sacrifice. Post romanticized gun violence, a matter of matter, far too serious in a city where we mourn too many families every week.
00:24:26
Speaker
That's about enough. don't want to say that, but should have been fired. we should Yes. Yes. No. what what What investigation did he post it or did he not? Well, yes, of course he posted it. Did somebody break into his account? never know. me You never know. to at least look into it, Tom, before we take them off of paid administrative. No, no, don't.
00:24:48
Speaker
I don't, I don't think that he will be fired. But hey, I'm going to give, i hate he he he brought his he brought his name into the forefront. I mean, I'll give him something.
00:25:00
Speaker
We know about it because he suspended him. I don't think we would have known about it maybe if he didn't suspend him. So there's that. We'll see. ah The city of Cleveland is reviewing similar posts made by two other employees, an EMS and ah and a firefighter.
00:25:14
Speaker
Yeah. EMS. Yes. You have your, let's say you have your TPUSA t-shirt on and you were in accident and here comes this EMS driver or whatever. You got a Trump bumper sticker in your car.
00:25:27
Speaker
Yeah, whatever. Yeah. So it needs to be publicly shunned. Like he brings up, oh, nobody's on but online saying, you know, NAMBLA. If anyone remembers what NAMBLA is, it's National Association for Men, Man Boy Love or something.
00:25:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, it was a peaf pedophile in the group. Yeah, it's a pedophile group. um And the other example that i cut out was, you you know, was on Facebook posting they burned a cross in the black neighbor's backyard. Because why? Because they would be shunned and and never been, they would never be able to get a job.
00:26:03
Speaker
Unless they change their name and face and all, you know they'd have to hide themselves. ah Hey, really, we're just paying by the rules that the left created a few years ago. Oh, yeah.
00:26:16
Speaker
Because when we don't shun these things, this is I believe this is what happens. It emboldens them. Nothing's going to happen to me. so So what's the other story?
00:26:28
Speaker
ah ah Recently, well, Jimmy Kimball, it's its gets his show gets canceled.
Media Accountability and Double Standards: The Kimmel Case
00:26:34
Speaker
What did you call him? Was Jimmy? or What is his name? Jimmy Kimmel? Kimmel?
00:26:38
Speaker
Kimmel? i What did I say? Kimmel? I think so. Sorry. Jimmy Kimmel. I mean, he doesn't deserve any better. Jimmy Thimble. um He gets... Well, I mean... He gets... Go ahead. No, I was going to say Jimmy Kimmel gets canceled from ABC because he... he but said something that was basically a lie, but it, you know, they, they can kind of put in news and make it a joke and, but it's a lie, but it's a joke.
00:27:05
Speaker
Who knows what it is. It's this gray area, but he got canceled for it. And, uh, he's done this a million times. I don't know why just now, i maybe because it was a, because of Charlie Kirk and it was you know, an assassination, but he's done this type of thing before. Right.
00:27:26
Speaker
He blamed it on MAGA. Right. So he said that, of course, she was shot by one of his own supporters, which was completely untrue. It's completely untrue. But what I was going to say was like, everybody's up in arms because somebody got canceled off the air.
00:27:44
Speaker
But what about Roseanne Barr, Tim Allen? Yeah. what You know, how many you know like I should have wrote them all down, but a bunch of... Oh, um who was the girl from ah the Star Wars offshoot?
00:27:56
Speaker
Oh, Karina. um Yep. the ah From the Star Wars... from the um I forget the name of the show. I never watched it. but oh She was actually one of the better parts of the show when I watched it, yeah.
00:28:09
Speaker
Yeah, and the show tanked after that, right? Yeah, they went... Yeah, it tanked. Because she was she was a great... ah I think, yeah, I watched a couple seasons of it. And once they let her go, Gina Carrero.
00:28:21
Speaker
Yeah. Carrera, Carrera. Carrera, I think. Once they canceled it, me and my daughter and I were watching it. And I was like like I'm not watching anymore. And she's she's like, why? I'm like, because they got rid of one of my favorite characters. I mean, therere what what she brought to the show with within was great because there was a um so sort of a spurring love interest in the show.
00:28:41
Speaker
And she was a freaking badass. on the show, first of all, and it pissed me off because I'm watching it with my daughter. Like, here's a good, here's a good example of a, of a woman hero.
00:28:54
Speaker
Not because she's not just a hero because they put her up there because she's a woman. No, because she's already a badass. Right. And she played that. And so I, I was really mad. So yeah, there's one.
00:29:05
Speaker
Okay, so, but those people actually got canceled. Some of them got demonized. Let's say Alex Jones. There's ah Gavin McGinnis. Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson. Although he's probably making more money now than he does. Yeah, he's doing fine.
00:29:18
Speaker
But some of these other people, like Roseanne Barr and Tim Allen... I think he's back now, but in Rose Roseanne bars on her way back. But, you know, they lost they lost and almost a decade of their career.
00:29:33
Speaker
But they were actually canceled because some of them were demonetized. um They were unhirable. Kimmel Kimmel can go get another job. They removed they removed the president of the United States from every social media ah platform. Yeah.
00:29:49
Speaker
Yeah. yeah So it really, Jimmy jimmy Kimmel, being his show being canceled wasn't even... why i brought i only brought Jimmy Kimmel up because of what happened yesterday. Did you hear what happened last night?
00:30:05
Speaker
No. ah There's protests outside the ABC affiliate and Sacramento, yeah and they fired him. Who's paying for that? They fired three shots at at the at the building.
00:30:18
Speaker
There go. first of all, questions. Who paid for that? Questions. um It's California. Guns are banned. I mean, basically, you cannot get a gun in California. I mean, it's really hard to get. So how did this happen?
00:30:30
Speaker
I thought when you put put laws in effect that only that even the bad guys follow the laws. So I'm not sure how this could even have happened. ah That's I'm questioning whether it was even a gun there because it is California.
00:30:42
Speaker
But who do you think is shooting at ABC affiliates in California?
00:30:48
Speaker
Right wingers. Yes, definitely. MAGA is so mad that they got rid of Kimmel. but there's No. Again, when you don't shun it, it emboldens them. They think that this is the norm.
00:31:00
Speaker
This is the the social contagent which contagion, which is social media and the the bubble that we get put in by the algorithms.
00:31:12
Speaker
but These people think that this is when when they put this vile stuff and they celebrate it, I'm i'm watching Charlie cook Kirk debate an Oxford student when there's heat And before Charlie Cook, you know and one other time this guy was, this student was at Oxford in this, you ever seen those Oxford debates? They're in this nice mahogany room with all these, it's all proper in England and stuff.
00:31:35
Speaker
And he's advocating, i was watching a video, there was B in it. He was advocating for violence, this guy, this student. He's like the head of some student group there.
00:31:46
Speaker
And then then they cut to him debating Charlie. And then they cut to him celebrating Charlie's death because they're so in a bubble. Most of these people, I believe that they think this is okay.
00:32:01
Speaker
Well, no, they need to be shunned. You need to be taken out of public life. Out of society. Yes. ah You know, if you want to think it, be all, be my guest. Think it all you want. But like he says, nobody's going, hey, look at, look at the pictures of the cross i was burning and the black people down the street's yard.
00:32:19
Speaker
No, they're not because they'd be shunned and wouldn't be able to do anything in life. So
00:32:27
Speaker
this is what you get. Well, lastly, his third point is probably, for me, for the show, probably the most important part, because it's all local.
Political Strategies: Red vs. Blue States
00:32:40
Speaker
You know how we were all having a debate on gerrymandering and redistricting couple shows ago, maybe? Yeah, I think I'm all in on that now. think I'm all in on that now. Let's listen what Steve has to say.
00:32:52
Speaker
Number three, and this actually dovetails to what Governor Biggs said a few minutes ago. Our red states have to be every bit as red as the blue states are blue. I know we all laughed and loved the meltdown videos from 2016 and 2024. But the truth of the matter, if you lived in California,
00:33:12
Speaker
Did life really change all that much because Donald Trump won? In January of 2017, some of you may not know this, in January of 2017, when Donald Trump took office, there were fewer elected Democrats in America than at any time since before FDR's New Deal, before the great Democrat coalition reset, over a hundred almost 100 years.
00:33:31
Speaker
And yet, if you lived in Oregon, Washington State, California, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Delaware. Did life really change all that much because literally Hitler was in charge?
00:33:43
Speaker
No. California didn't get up. yeah They didn't get up in California. Governor Newsom was like, you know what? I think we should probably stop giving free drug needles and condoms to tranny homeless people because Trump won. No.
00:33:55
Speaker
They just doubled down and gave out even more. And then they passed laws and said, if you don't let us make your kids tranny and homeless, we'll take them from you. They're doing that now. Life did not change in these places.
00:34:06
Speaker
They have complete and total control of the governing infrastructure there, of the policy making there. That is what we need to do to our red states.
00:34:17
Speaker
I agree. I agree. What this has really brought to light for me is, I think a lot of it is the ineptitude of the GOP. um It's almost like it's it's rigged, almost like it's an intentional.
00:34:31
Speaker
In some ways, I look at it, ah one side is pushing hard, vile rhetoric and violence, and the other side says, you have to keep calm. Let's be nice and talk to each other.
00:34:45
Speaker
I think that's changing. that is changing. I think that there is always, always has to be a part of that. They're talking to each other. I mean, as the great philosophers, Pink Floyd says, you know, what, what happens when we stop talking?
Republican Party's Challenges and Defense Strategies
00:35:01
Speaker
Something that affect, I forget what the words now, but ah I think that always has to be a part of it, right? We can't ever, but there are people, there are people that don't want to talk They are not going to talk.
00:35:18
Speaker
They're not going to live in under the same rules that we live under. They don't want to.
00:35:25
Speaker
And I don't think, I think we need a party that backs us, not holds us back and holds us down. Well, and that's, I think we've had a lot of that in, on the GOP side. Yeah. I don't think it's actually Republican anymore. It's a populist movement. So they they're going to have to change with, with, um,
00:35:46
Speaker
their constituents and up and we've been talking about people making comments fire chief. He's a, he's just a person. He's just a, he just made a comment again, thinking he's in his own bubble thinking he's going to get praised for this.
00:36:01
Speaker
i mean, you don't put that up there cause you know, you're going to get, you know, criticism. I'm besides myself with what some people wrote and yeah got fired for. And I'm just like, what were you thinking? yes I, I mean, like,
00:36:16
Speaker
To me, there's definitely like a ah mental... so Something mentally isn't working properly. It's just...
00:36:26
Speaker
Nobody... and I don't know yeah i don't know what how that disconnect happened to them. Like, how do they not realize you can't post this or say this out loud? You can think it.
00:36:38
Speaker
I think bad things all the time. i mean, things come across... in my thoughts that I'm like, oh, that's not good. And then, you know, usually I correct myself. It's your light on the passion of the moment.
00:36:49
Speaker
I mean, in certain things, you're mad, you're angry, or you got road rage, you you know, and you come, oh, that's like, no, that's really not that big deal. Like, what are these people doing? Are they in that part of their like mental, you know, minute there where, you know, so they're charged up so much about this certain topic that they have to post online in public?
00:37:12
Speaker
It's the social contagion. Yes. And really, they some of them have ruined their careers. they validate themselves by getting rewarded but with likes and stuff.
00:37:23
Speaker
I guess. i They go for that dopamine hit. And they are in... Most these people probably were shocked at some of the reaction videos as people were getting fired.
00:37:36
Speaker
but was like Some of them were fantastic. And now they're crying and bawling. Can't believe I got fired from my job. Where am I going to get my food from? Right. So that that's let's let's let's touch on this real quick since we're on it.
00:37:48
Speaker
Does the First Amendment protect you at work?
Political Discourse at County Fairs
00:37:52
Speaker
No, no, no, no, and know it doesn't. first First Amendment protects you from the government punishing you for what you say. Right. So.
00:38:04
Speaker
you You don't shun them. You don't punish them. You allow them, like he like I cut out in this in the and this clip, Texas. Why are you sharing?
00:38:15
Speaker
Why are you governing with Democrats? The last place in this country that should shouldd be even close to purple is Texas. What is your problem, Texas? um You know, he brings up some of the reddest places in America are the most least populated. Why?
00:38:34
Speaker
Because that's what the Democrats and Republicans, in my opinion, have allowed to happen. So we've talked about, like I said, we talked, well, you know, here's a person, the fire chief, Anthony Luke.
00:38:46
Speaker
You got Jimmy Kimmel saying stuff, getting canceled. ah This guy getting paid suspension. We'll see if he gets fired. And on and on and on. But it's just the people, right? I mean, you can't really control what the people say.
00:38:59
Speaker
i mean, because...
00:39:03
Speaker
You know, it's not like it's a party or anything. Oh, wait, it actually is. here's Here's a little clip from Ashland County Fair over the last week, last weekend. Oh, you got you got a clip for this? clips, yes.
00:39:14
Speaker
Oh, yes. And a quote. and i saw your ah I saw you pulled this article and I was like, holy crap. So this isn't just the people, just individuals saying this. They're getting this, A, yes, they're in their own bubble,
00:39:29
Speaker
So they think it's okay. But B, they're getting reinforcement from where? Oh, from a party that's backing them. Here you go. here's Here's what happened at Ashland County Fair last weekend. On Thursday, however, in the exhibitor's barn, the fair board received complaints about buttons being distributed by the Democratic Party. This particular instance was a red ball cap with felon across the top of it. And is he dead yet?
00:39:55
Speaker
And some other innuendos about his obituary. And we're referring to the president of the United States. We don't condone anything of that that nature at all. When people sign up to have a vendor space here, it's in our rules. They were asked kindly once And then twice.
00:40:09
Speaker
And then they were finally asked to leave. Hold on. Pause it. They were asked to remove the buttons from their table twice. And they said no. Check this out.
00:40:21
Speaker
We have, there's a, there's a button that says resist. And underneath it, it says 8647. Mm-hmm.
00:40:29
Speaker
We will wake up the the, I can't read the rest of It's too small. There's felon, a red cap that says felon. Is he dead yet? And what's what buttons are mixed in around those buttons?
00:40:45
Speaker
Kamala Harris buttons. there's kama Kamala Harris buttons, Harris walls. Harry balls. Harry balls. Stand with Ukraine button.
00:40:55
Speaker
There's a Taco Trump button. I well it meant to look that up. what is i there're that's I don't know. There's something about that. i yeah it it's It's supposed to be disparaging, but it's just a bad meme by them by the left.
00:41:10
Speaker
And yeah.
00:41:14
Speaker
Let me see what this says. Oh, wait. Oh, check this out. A hat says fascism. and says one day we will wake up to his obituary. 8647.
00:41:27
Speaker
And this is at the GOP. I mean, the Democratic Party. Regional, right? Yeah, it's the, it heland i'll I'll get, we'll get there. Hold on. Let's finish the clip. There's one big thing that they, I i mean, I got to really talk, you got to talk to organizers of this. we There's ah there's a big faux pas in here, but I'll let you know that in a second.
00:41:46
Speaker
Here you go. Here's the finished clip. So adding an additional element to this equation is the fact that the democratic booth was was shut down here had been face to face with the Republican booth.
00:41:58
Speaker
Just across the way. There are high emotions on both sides of the political spectrum. Yes. Yes, sir. What needs to happen now is everybody needs to calm down. Chill.
00:42:09
Speaker
Let's back off a little bit and take a look at this. The sheriff referencing the matter to the U.S. Secret Service. So that information is all at them right now. Whether or not they do anything is their decision. I mean, there is free speech in this world, but the county fair and what we're trying to do here with all the kids is not the place for that.
00:42:26
Speaker
That's what the fair is all about, these kids. And and I want to make sure we keep it that way. So this this kind of nonsense, can go somewhere else. In Ashland, Dave Nethers, Fox 8 News. For the children. Gotta play that.
00:42:40
Speaker
So the, if obviously you can't see the video, but what I noticed in the video is they had this all wrong. When you walked into the the the building where these booths were at, they had the Republicans on the left and the Democrats on the right. Who was, what the hell is going on? but Don't know. We have this, this left and right thing. We got to keep moving. That's the first thing I noticed.
00:43:01
Speaker
was like, why are the the Republicans on the left side as you walk in? And the, But yeah, so they asked them a couple of times to remove these and they said no. um The sheriff's department ez is has sent this information to the Secret Service, so I'm sure they'll get a call at least, if not more.
00:43:20
Speaker
And here's a statement from... the Ashland County Democratic Party. but Actually, before I get there, in the original, little this is an updated story. The original story said they had asked for comments in the comment.
00:43:33
Speaker
Did they change it? The comment says the only name we would give is this person is the chair.
00:43:41
Speaker
So was like, oh, well, that's easy to find. the yeah So the comment, we'll get to that. But the comment, um is the Ashland County Democratic Party was ejected from its booth at the Ashland County Fair yesterday, September 18th, 2025.
Free Speech and Political Tensions in Public Spaces
00:44:02
Speaker
Three Republican members of Ashland County Fair Board backed by two Republican County Sheriff deputies. How did they know they were Republican deputies? Did they ask them? Or were you just projecting there?
00:44:16
Speaker
ah They ordered the Ashland County ah Democratic Party to leave. the county fair and shut down the booth because they disapproved of Ashland Democrats criticism
00:44:28
Speaker
of, I guess it's supposed to say of the Republican administration. Are you freaking kidding me? you you doubt You got removed? I know they don't think this.
00:44:41
Speaker
You thought you got removed. You're going to say you were removed because there is that the Republican, the Ashland County Fair disagreed with your criticism or disagree with you calling for the death of the president.
00:44:53
Speaker
I mean,
00:44:57
Speaker
so deputies told the residents staffing the booth that they had to leave. Yes, because you broke the rules of the fair. You signed a contract for the booth, and I'm sure it says something in there about
00:45:09
Speaker
you know, there's always always these clauses in there. They're very vague and they're put in there for this, for this reason. So they can basically remove you for almost any reason if they want to, but you signed up for it and you've been there for decades, like you said.
00:45:23
Speaker
So I gotta say, I'm looking at the picture. They, if you go to Ashland County, Democrats.com, there's a picture of the group. there And i I'd say there's about 70 people in the group, maybe between 60, 70, somewhere in there.
00:45:42
Speaker
And I counted... i counted...
00:45:49
Speaker
okay let's see, about five of those 70 are under 70.
00:45:58
Speaker
I mean, i'm I'm not kidding. I i mean, there's's there's a handful more. yeah But I mean, it is... he 85% geriatric. Yes.
00:46:09
Speaker
I bet you they they didn't even know what those pins meant. um Yeah, they get that's giving them too much credit, my opinion. Yeah. ah So no they don't say who gave this comment.
00:46:23
Speaker
They just say the Ashland Democratic Party released the following oh say the read app followinging statement. But they did make a phone call. I should have probably kept that part of the story. But they did make a phone call, and they the person wouldn't identify themselves. only the the person That's what they said. The person would only identify themselves as the chair.
00:46:40
Speaker
And and um part of me was like, okay, Fox. Well, the chair is Heather Samuels. Right. So that's why I said, okay, Fox. like You can't just do a search and say, oh, look Ashland County Democratic Party.
00:46:52
Speaker
Chair, Heather Sample. And I have to thank them for having all these easy names to say. Heather Sample is the chair. First chair is David Holcomb. second chair Second vice chair is Stephanie Saffel.
00:47:04
Speaker
Third vice chair is Matthew Jordan. Secretary is ah Karen but figure Summer. And treasurer is Sandy Bailey.
00:47:15
Speaker
Combined age of 1,000. Combined age of 19 million. Yeah, I see that picture. And you're right. i ah To be fair, i I would think that if the Ashland County GOP probably looks similar. Maybe it's slightly more young people in it.
00:47:31
Speaker
Yeah. It tends to be who who who runs these things because that's who has time. But like we said in most protests, if you're protest on the left, it's usually gray-haired ex-hippies or whatever.
00:47:47
Speaker
So to your point. Okay. I just went to the Republican Party, Ashland County website. got prove me wrong. Go ahead. Yes. That's okay. I love it.
00:47:59
Speaker
I'm looking for... Yeah, I'm looking at a... like they They just have an event ah the you know picture. Okay. And there's probably nobody... It's probably reverse.
00:48:10
Speaker
Okay. I would say most people are in their 40s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and then there's a handful of people with blue hair. Okay. Yeah.
00:48:23
Speaker
Republican Party's changed over the last decade. Yeah, it's good point. Because because it is a... I think it is a populist movement now.
00:48:33
Speaker
So it's not just the people doing it. Oh, the Democratic Party's doing it. The Democratic Party's doing it. And this is not the only chapter. We can pretty much be confident in saying that this has happened elsewhere.
00:48:46
Speaker
Maybe not to this extent because of the fair and you know how close the fair was to the assassination, but Yeah. as we And as we get farther away from the actual shooting, it's getting worse because they're getting more emboldened.
00:49:03
Speaker
Well, I think it was a green light for them. Yeah. It was kind of like, okay, who's the next?
00:49:10
Speaker
Yeah. i ah So that's where we are today.
Self-defense and Political Violence: Steven Crowder's Perspective
00:49:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:18
Speaker
but next So today's going to be the the show of the Steves because the next couple clips I thought we could bring up because ah this is ah what I caught from Steven Crowder was on Pierce Morgan's ah it's Uncensored with Joe Walsh.
00:49:36
Speaker
That was not a whole lot from Joe Walsh here. ah He didn't really have a whole lot to say except, I mean, to be fair to Joe, not that he deserves it, but to be fair to him, he was very...
00:49:48
Speaker
Meek. He was, he was, you could tell he was trying to stay. i don't know how that guy's still around. He built a career out of being a a grifter. I think the last, the left for the last, uh, well, since 2015.
00:50:04
Speaker
And I think one of the reasons, yes, I, I, yeah, ever since, well, TDS, tedds TDS, TDS. So I think, So Pierce brought Steven on because I think Steven and Joe on on on social social media has have been going back and forth a little bit. And Steven had brought up some comments that he or he had made some comments on his show and then clarified the comments.
00:50:27
Speaker
So then Pierce brings him on to talk about those. And I thought these were pretty important um because it kind of goes in line with what we've been saying. Like things things feel different.
00:50:39
Speaker
And things things need to be different, I think, because we'll we'll see what Stephen has. So Stephen has a ah unique view on what we should do. I'm joined by Stephen Crowder for what will hopefully be clarification on his clarification.
00:50:54
Speaker
Stephen, welcome back to Uncensored. As you know, a lot of people believed you were advocating for a violent response. You've clarified that now. And people are saying, you know is that a sincere clarification or have you just calmed down?
00:51:09
Speaker
It wasn't a clarification. It was a repeat. And I stand by it. i am advocating for lawful. and Maybe let me clarify. Ruthless violence in defense of us and our own. and if you give me one and a half minutes, I can make it extra click crystal clear if we need to. What you're seeing with Charlie Kirk.
00:51:28
Speaker
is what got through. Charlie Kirk lived under a cloud just as I have. It's the reason that I stopped doing Change My Minds, where there were 12 felonious assaults, attempts at battery, and attempts on my life, and I know quite a few, and many I don't, of Charlie Kirk. I want to be clear. I want those on the left to speak freely and to be able to host their events with minimal security as they do now for the rest of their lives.
00:51:49
Speaker
Just as surely, I want them to be deathly terrified of showing up and acting with the increasing violence as they have at our events. And that goes both ways. Hey, if there's a spat of right-wing violence that's spreading across this country, treat those people the same way that we treat yours. But you won't find it.
00:52:10
Speaker
I don't think so. not Not in this context, that's for sure. You know, i after hearing... but Let's go on. I'll go to clip two. Stephen says, basically in this clip, enough.
00:52:24
Speaker
Enough with dealing with the threats in silence. And he had some, I guess, some self-reflection um on it in here.
Challenges of Conservative Speakers: Crowder's Reflection
00:52:33
Speaker
If I could change one thing, and I do believe that I'm partially responsible for this...
00:52:38
Speaker
I've failed people. I've had to do a lot of soul searching. When I did Change My Mind and started in 2016, the idea was, hey, calling the left on their bluff, civil dialogue with anyone to the tune of billions of plays and hundreds of hours.
00:52:51
Speaker
And it got increasingly violent. And what I didn't tell people, I told people out there, go do this on your own campus, have these conversations. I advocated for it. And Charlie took it to another level. He was unbelievable at it.
00:53:02
Speaker
What I didn't do I didn't tell people about the threats because I didn't want copycats. I didn't tell them about terrorists from Yemen through Sweden showing up in East Grand Rapids. I didn't tell them about concrete milkshakes.
00:53:14
Speaker
I didn't tell them about my tires getting slashed, about people trying to firebomb my car. And maybe if I would have picked up the phone. Maybe if I would have used this megaphone to tell people it's real life out there and the left wants you dead, maybe Charlie would have had a fighting chance.
00:53:27
Speaker
Maybe I could have done more Right now, I'll tell you this. I see a lot of people out there, Piers. I see a lot of people out there talking about picking up that microphone. And I hope people do because the alternative is silence. But I want people to know That wherever that microphone is and whoever thinks about picking it up, you are in the crosshairs. People say bring down the temperature.
00:53:46
Speaker
Okay. How about we bring down the temperature to doing something like, I don't know, sitting down at a table and allowing anyone with a but a thought or opinion to discuss it rationally.
00:53:57
Speaker
Would that bring down the temperature? Because they took his life anyway.
00:54:04
Speaker
So after hearing that, I really hope Steven is talking to somebody because he should not be taking any other responsibility for this at all. and And I get why he he says that because he is he is the creator of of what Charlie was doing.
00:54:20
Speaker
Yeah. so he he done at So him and Joe Wallace go back and forth and, you know, we'll put the clips in and the show notes and in the blog posts and all that.
00:54:33
Speaker
He goes pretty hard at Joe, which I think Joe deserves. And he asks him a question. and And to his point, he yeah he To explain a little bit more, he asks Joe, what would you do if you saw somebody about to throw something at an event?
00:54:49
Speaker
and And to be fair, we we come in, Stephen's very, very passionate. I mean, he's you you could tell he was he was very determined in this in this interview. and And so he's talking very fast. So ah in fairness to Joe, Joe didn't really hear the first couple times.
00:55:06
Speaker
So he asks us a third time and finally Joe understands and This is the clip. I don't understand your question. I'm sorry. i honestly, I don't. Someone winding up a milkshake to launch at Charlie Kirk. You don't know if it's strawberry, chocolate, vanilla, acid or concrete.
00:55:23
Speaker
You see him before anyone else does. Do you stop him and hurt him? Yes, I certainly stop him. I do all I can to stop him. Yes. Good. There's a start.
00:55:34
Speaker
That's what I'm advocating. Every single person out there, because we have been living with this shadow over us. And I know, look, here's a thing too, Joe, I understand your rhetoric. I understand where you're coming from.
00:55:44
Speaker
And you, I know that you met Charlie when he was 16, as I understand it, right? He was very, very young. And I understand that maybe you were somewhat of a mentor figure. It's because of the failure of Republicans like you that me and Charlie Kirk exist.
00:55:57
Speaker
who are willing to take back the territory that has been conceded, and we are willing to pay with our lives. We shouldn't have to be.
00:56:06
Speaker
That's what he means by violent or lawful ah violence in defense of us and our own.
00:56:18
Speaker
And what he well he points to, Joe was a Republican?
00:56:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just hearing, seeing some of his rants on, on social, I didn't think, I didn't think he'd be one, Hey, Oh, I used to listen to the show before, ah before Trump, I think even ran. I, I wasn't, uh,
00:56:42
Speaker
A listener, you know, everyday listener or whatever his show was, but I'd catch it once in a while. I think driving home from work, I think they played it on our local WTAM or okay maybe maybe um the sports channel 850. Oh, maybe. Yeah. Okay. ah what One of those channels, they would they would play a show and I'd just catch it, you know, for half hour, 20 minutes or whatever.
00:57:06
Speaker
And i he was all right. He's a he's a good broadcaster. So the show he made the show interesting. Yeah, he's entertainer. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah. he's He's good at what he does. But then, um my God.
00:57:19
Speaker
when ah i don't even think it was when Trump was running. It was after he won. that this guy This guy went, I mean, like serious, ballistic TDS, you know? he was bizarre. Yeah.
00:57:34
Speaker
was bizarre that's Steven kept bringing up spineless Republicans in this whole, any we don't get much of it in the clips I have, but spineless Republicans, spineless Republicans. And that's what he's taught. That's what, that's what I said earlier about having a party that backs us.
00:57:48
Speaker
There's so many in the Republican party that, that grasp, grasp their pearls every time Trump would tweet, especially in 2015, 2016.
00:57:58
Speaker
And I was, I could be honest, I was kind of in that way a lot. I was like, oh, that's not, this you know, I don't, I was never a big fan of Trump or his style when he was an entertainer before he was even in the political field. I wasn't my, he wasn't my thing.
00:58:11
Speaker
I enjoyed him. ah ah Trump, I enjoyed him on, ah when whenever he went on Howard Stern back in the day in the nineties, he was always, he was funny. Yeah. and And it was, he was an interesting ah person because he was a ah playboy billionaire.
00:58:29
Speaker
And he liked to let you know that he was a Playboy billionaire. Yeah, yeah. He wasn't he wasn't shy. no And it was it was great. And when he started with his ah you know his game show, well, not the game show, but the reality show.
00:58:45
Speaker
Yeah. of apprentice your' fire The Apprentice. The Apprentice. I watched the first, but I think the first two seasons were really good. And then once they started doing the Celebrity Apprentice and it just became the same thing over and over.
00:58:58
Speaker
And i I didn't, but i i did I wasn't that big of a fan of him on that show. i was a fan of the show because I thought the show was well done. I've seen a few of them. I've seen clips. It was, i actually was. I mean, I, yeah, ah I'll get into that. We don't get on a side note. Anyway.
00:59:13
Speaker
Yeah. Spineless Republicans. We'll get back to the spineless Republicans. And that's, that's, you know, that's Lindsey Graham, right? Oh, well he's those kinds of guys. He's more than spineless. Uh,
00:59:26
Speaker
Oh, I'm sure I can name a few other. Give me a second. But we don't need to get into that. It's because of those people who sit there and go, like that woman said, we just need to step back. We need to step back and take a look at what's going on.
00:59:37
Speaker
How many times have we done that? To Steve's point, how many times we how many times do we need to do this? And how many of us need to be shot and killed before we realize? im not Well, you know what? we We have to stand up for ourselves.
00:59:48
Speaker
i think I think that that ah game plan or whatever you want to call it worked back in the 80s and ninety s But once online, you know, social media took over and all that people are saying anything they want without any type of um recourse,
01:00:12
Speaker
it de that whole, like, I'm going to play nice and buy the book, or not even by the book, I'm
Peaceful Responses to Violence: A Case Study
01:00:19
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just going to play nice,
01:00:22
Speaker
ah is dead because they just keep ramping up the rheic rhetoric. And I don't think you can do that anymore. Now you now you have to fight fire with fire. You just do.
01:00:34
Speaker
Right. like like Like Stephen said, lawful violence defending our own. Because sitting here and expecting them to do this to to give us the same respect that we've been giving them, they're laughing at us. like Look at these fools.
01:00:53
Speaker
Yeah, but it's it's not the...
01:00:58
Speaker
I don't think it's like... I think it's the far left. It's not like the the regular Democrats or the you know the the swamp. It's just going along with it and using them.
01:01:09
Speaker
Yeah, maybe. Yeah, that's what I think. I just want to i want to end on this question. After the assassination of Charlie Kirk, how many cities were burned to the crown?
01:01:21
Speaker
How many buildings burned? I can't think of one. Still at zero, right? Well, actually, what we have instead is they're shooting their own. They're shooting the affiliate, ABC affiliate, because, ah you know, so...
01:01:36
Speaker
No, what what we actually we saw were prayer visuals, and we still see them. there's more There's more this weekend for Charlie. Well, them protesting ah Disney is hilarious because oh yeah Disney was taking a lot of flack from the right because of all their woke programming.
01:01:53
Speaker
i'm not giving I'm not giving Disney any credit. Yeah, no. I think this was very convenient for them. I just think, yes. Well, the guy, his his main demographic, his...
01:02:05
Speaker
ah his His largest demographic was from 70 plus in in viewership. 70 in age. 70 over 70. That's a sign of a dying show, I think.
01:02:18
Speaker
So his... Well, yes. This was like, just like, okay. this is a the Same with colle colber Colbert. Colbert. He... um Same thing. Nobody was watching him. Nobody nobody in the Right demographic was watching them. And those who are watching are very few.
01:02:40
Speaker
Oh, 125,000 in the key key demographic. That's nothing. That's... It's nothing. So small. i wear i wish we had 125,000. Yeah, you know, that that would be nice. I think i think what they say that...
01:02:57
Speaker
Colbert, call him now. That is how how his parents pronounce the name. Yeah, Colbert. He's the only person i took it that took a simple name and made it more difficult. It makes sense.
01:03:10
Speaker
He thinks he's much smarter than he really is or important. perp um Look at his name. It's Colbert. He's silent. um
01:03:19
Speaker
He was losing, what, the what some estimated $40 million dollars a year they were losing on his show. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of fishy that a USAID got close shut down and show canceled. And of a sudden they went, oh, no, we got no money now. We got to get rid of him. And same thing for Gimbal.
01:03:41
Speaker
So, you know, give us, let us know your feedback. what What do you think we, do you feel we need to touch on some of these national stories? We think we do. So give us some feedback. Tell us how we're doing.
01:03:55
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01:04:09
Speaker
Let us know what we're missing and what we could do better. All right. Whoa, what did just happen here? Okay, here we go. So yeah, actually, yeah, before we go into our next story, I just wanted to remind of us of one last, one quote from Charlie Kirk, which I think ah applies here.
01:04:26
Speaker
but Forgive your enemies because it really pisses them off. You know what? Screw them. That's good for your soul.
01:04:35
Speaker
Anywho, I figured we, after that segment, we should have a palate cleanser, like we like to call it. So I've got a nice little article that reminded me of myself from years ago. so Maybe last week too, but definitely from years ago.
01:04:49
Speaker
And this is from our friends at the Babylon Bee, of course. Here's the headline. Wife making weekend plans completely unaware that husband is, he is in heated battle for America's soul in Facebook comment section.
01:05:03
Speaker
Dateline Toledo, Ohio. Local wife Cindy Houston admitted she was totally unaware of her husband was locked in a vich vitrius ah vicious battle, virtuous battle, I think, right?
01:05:15
Speaker
Yeah. Virtuous battle. God, I can read. Virtuous battle for the soul of America on Facebook when she made plans for the family this weekend. yeah She's quoted. I had no idea Clark was doing such important work this weekend when I scheduled that family outing, Cindy commented.
01:05:35
Speaker
He's got so many people he needs to respond to on so many comments on that Facebook he made, that Facebook post he made. I guess it's super important work. More important than spending time with the family, apparently. What does he say? ah Clark spent the majority of Friday afternoon on his phone, refreshing his feed, waiting for responses to his latest post.
01:06:01
Speaker
He energetically crafted long, ah ah violent responses to all detractors and used all his mental facilities to research statistics to back up his points and his wife scheduled the family for a weekend of quality time.
01:06:21
Speaker
He's quoted. She doesn't get it. The fate of the nation is on my shoulders here. Clark said when he when when told about the weekend itinerary. I'll be here fighting for the American way of life.
01:06:35
Speaker
It's up to me. And they finished the story with saying, at publishing time, Clark Houston was last seen admonishing his teen son to get off his phone and spend more time with the family.
01:06:50
Speaker
Thank you, Babylon Thank you very much.
01:06:54
Speaker
Okay, so check that one off there.
01:06:58
Speaker
Next, we can...
Ohio Property Tax Policies: Challenges and Reforms
01:07:00
Speaker
we can touch on a favorite subject of ours, which is the current debate going on in Ohio with our property taxes. And we have a story here from scene magazine and basically touching on the fact that the, uh, uh, know, our great governor DeWine's property tax working group deadline is looming.
01:07:22
Speaker
The deadline's looming September 30th. They better show up with some suggestions uh, Mike DeWine going to be very upset with him. Very, very upset. He may say something like, Hey, there's something awfully squee going on around here.
01:07:44
Speaker
So that basically, that's the basically the story is that they've, you know, they've they've got some things they're talking about and then they're talking some more about it and then they're going to talk some more about it.
01:07:56
Speaker
Have you seen any good ideas? No, they're basically just going over the what was vetoed. Like, what of what was vetoed in the budget should we apply? That's kind of what they're talking about. I think that was the idea because DeWine didn't want to sign those.
01:08:13
Speaker
he wanted He wanted experts to go over them to see if he can sign them. But the ideas weren't so great. Right. I think we've talked, seems like ah virtue signaling possibly by the Republican Party to just say we've we're doing something, we're doing something.
01:08:32
Speaker
um But we did have some ah some listener feedback on this topic. we We got an email from our friend Fuzzy Wuzzy.
01:08:46
Speaker
And Fuzzy Wuzzy says ah here, I just read the whole thing, huh? um Well, basically, he says he yeah you found found you through your no agenda donation. I normally fast forward it, but I couldn't get to my phone. So it must have been fate.
01:09:01
Speaker
They say, I'm over here in Toledo area. So your podcast is of interest to me. I found it. um Let's see. I just had a comment on about the Ohio, Ohio is property tax bill.
01:09:15
Speaker
ah Something that he hadn't heard discussed and thinking. So his basic, his view is the only reason he thinks this is is being allowed by the ah Republican party is because of the possibility of is because of Trump's tariffs.
01:09:32
Speaker
So he is saying normally the elimination of property tax would be immediately disregarded by the government, but maybe Ohio is trying to take the first and best dressed approach, anticipating new business coming back to the country and making Ohio, Ohio might be starting the competition between other states.
01:09:52
Speaker
So basically he's saying maybe this is the GOP sensing that more manufacturing, more more business will be coming to a so America, back to America, and making Ohio a yeah more attractive state to move here your factory or build a factory here.
01:10:11
Speaker
What's your opinion, Tom? i I think his take is interesting. I think it's –
01:10:20
Speaker
I've heard it discussed on a YouTube channel. what I think you've played clips from there before. They you therere they were interviewing one of the people doing the who are trying to abolish taxes, get it on the ballot form. yeah And they were they were talking about how this would...
01:10:39
Speaker
be good for the state because it could bring more business in, eliminating property taxes, in and ah yeah other states do it by eliminating income taxes.
01:10:51
Speaker
It's an interesting take. Thank you for emailing us. Yes. ah That was awesome, Fuzzy. Fuzzy Wuzzy. Mr. Wuzzy. Mr. Wuzzy is. or mrs Mrs. Wuzzy.
01:11:04
Speaker
We'll call him the was. Yeah, the was. um Great email, great take on this. I don't think the politicians are thinking of anything.
01:11:17
Speaker
I think they're being forced into it. Yeah, I think mike because of Because of citizens getting together and and getting it on the ballot to eliminate taxes, property taxes.
01:11:29
Speaker
And i think they are just trying to play nice. Because I have heard Vivek, who's going to run for governor, probably... um Probably, probably when I'm going I'm giving him a 95% chance of winning, even though I did get a comment from ah somebody on X, which we will get to maybe when, um when it's closer to primary season.
01:11:53
Speaker
About Vivek. But anyways, Vivek, when he first announced he was running, he was talking about eliminating property taxes. And he's really walked that back. And Rob, you've mentioned that, well, okay, primary season's coming up. Once you start running, you you tend to um ah become a little bit more vanilla. Yeah, after yeah you win the nomination of your party, you usually go towards the center to try to get more votes. So maybe that's what he's doing.
01:12:19
Speaker
So he could be doing that, but I don't think politicians want to get, I don't think they want to get rid of property taxes one bit, regardless of what businesses want, because they give they give businesses tax incentives to move to Ohio anyways.
01:12:36
Speaker
Now getting employees to move to Ohio and you got rid of property taxes, um you know, if a company is transferring here from from another state with high property taxes, how are you going to get employees to you know, that you want to transfer from yes your previous location.
01:12:53
Speaker
So property taxes that way might help. I don't think it, I don't think businesses care that all that much because there's a ton Texas incentives happening anyways for them. And um the other thing is ah no politician wants to get rid of taxes, it makes their jobs too difficult.
01:13:13
Speaker
Yes. They actually have to think. Yeah, that's kind of similarly, we have not talked about this email, so it's funny how we kind of, I came to similar conclusions. I think it's ah it's a great it's a three great thought experiment. I just think think we're giving the Republicans way too much credit.
01:13:30
Speaker
Yeah, yeah that' that's basically it. i just um I would like to see them having this kind of forethought, but I i don't know. and and And to the point, I don't think they allowed this.
01:13:44
Speaker
If the ballot, if you get enough signatures and then, and your, and your ballot initiative, it makes sense. They almost, they don't have to, but if they were to say, if they were to turn it down, there's an appeal process.
01:13:56
Speaker
And as long as all your ducks are in the row, meaning your, your ballot initiative is clear. ah You have all the signatures and this and that you, it will be put on the ballot. It almost, almost always is, unless there's something weird. And and if the GOP said, no, you can appeal it.
01:14:13
Speaker
And then there's a third party that would look it over. So I'm not sure how much, how much choice they had in allowing the the signatures or allowing the petition to go out there. I don't know. I mean, yeah. in In fact, I would, I would bank on them fighting this, fighting that ballot initiative.
Impact of Ballot Measures on Schools and Taxes
01:14:31
Speaker
Once it gets, if it gets on the ballot, both parties are going to put scare commercials on the, on the,
01:14:39
Speaker
Yes. ah in the On the air to keep people from voting yes for it. What's going to happen to our schools? Yep. And what about the children?
01:14:51
Speaker
Think of the children. Won't somebody please think of the children? i mean, give me that's all you're going to hear. Give an opportunity. I'm going to play Barney. I mean, I have to. But that's all you're going to hear I think our listeners take on this is awesome.
01:15:06
Speaker
I agree with them. I just don't. Yeah. Like you said, I don't give that much credit to the GOP or, any politician regarding taxes. And amazingly enough, as I was going through my normal week and looking at things to talk about, and I find this, ah this video from a couple of weeks ago from the Ohio school board association. And then we've got, um
01:15:31
Speaker
Oh, I didn't write his name down. Now I have to go look it up. But we I have ah some clips from on this show where they're talking about maybe some of the
01:15:41
Speaker
some of the reasons maybe that property taxes for homeowners has gone up. Oh, yeah. and ah during During the clip, I'll look i'll look up the...
01:15:52
Speaker
who this was because I want to get his name, but ah here's here's what he had to say. There's there's a little, and I put ah a graphic in the show notes so you can take a look at what they're talking about here, but there is a two wuzzies, to the wuzzies point um about businesses and maybe to try to make it more attractive. It sounds like maybe they've already done that years ago. So here we go.
01:16:14
Speaker
Here's what, I'll get his name in here in a second. But there was one trend that started about 30 years ago that has changed the composition of who pays property taxes in this state.
01:16:27
Speaker
And in 1991, homeowners and farmers paid school property taxes And percentage had increased seven point five percent so it's gone up by about fifty percent the share paid by persons rather than by businesses. And that's one thing that's putting stress on um and homeowners right now, because what that means is, you know, instead of paying less than 50 cents of every dollar in property taxes, you're now paying 67.5%. So every levy that comes online, the homeowner and farmer share of it is going to be 50% higher than it was 30 years ago. And that's because
01:17:13
Speaker
of primarily because of tax policy changes that the state made to business taxes, which either eliminated or lowered um a couple of major property taxes for businesses.
01:17:25
Speaker
So yeah, and and I have a graphic, and going show that graphic, that you know back you talk about 30 years, the lines were like this, almost equal. Right. And as we've gone, right they've separated. Right, yeah right, right. Yeah, you can you can you can listen to the numbers, or you can look at the picture and see it visually. some For some people, one works better than the other, but the point is still the same, that the share of taxes paid by people is higher yeah um because of changes that the state has made. And and those those changes, you know, there were sound tax policy reasons for what the state did. The problem is that in other states, those taxes that were eliminated or reduced were state taxes, so there was no local impact. But in Ohio, these were local taxes, And that's what's created problems for schools and local governments ever since.
01:18:19
Speaker
So they've kind of already done this over the last year few years. And I think we can probably hold the Republican Party responsible for a lot of this. They've already they've actually flipped it. It used to be pretty close to even.
01:18:31
Speaker
I mean, it was... Now, here's the... ah from some In it was about difference. ah With commercial and industrial paying more than homeowners and then and in the mid ninety s it actually cross 95, basically. So they were paying equal.
01:18:55
Speaker
And then 99, was about, don't know, 5%. then in 2007, you're talking to 2011. You're talking... 70%. and then in two thousand and seven you're talking about let's go to two thousand and eleven you're talking seventy percent Well, no, not not that much difference. There's about a 40% difference between ah residential and commercial with residential paying more. Residential paints in in two thousand and eleven residential ah was paying. In 2011, residential and agriculture were paying 70% of their property taxes and businesses were paying 30%. Now, that's shrunk a little bit.
01:19:32
Speaker
It's now 67 57, 43. or fifty seven forty three Yeah. No, 67. 67.5. said, and you know, we don't have a detailed graph here. We're just kind of looking at it.
01:19:46
Speaker
And I would say it's about 32 and a half. so Well, whatever the one is, it has to be the reverse, right? Cause only two. Right. So, and so that's why it's, it's and that's state tax policy doing that. Right.
01:19:57
Speaker
I mean, that's gotta be from the legislature. Yeah. I don't know if that's including levies and stuff like that. So I i don't know. All I know is that resident residents are getting a screwed. So as far as, you know, we mentioned this, getting eliminating property taxes would be great to get more people to move to Ohio.
01:20:15
Speaker
i don't know how much it, which is great for business, but I don't know if that's the ultimate i think reason. I think there needs to be, like somebody needs to talk to
01:20:30
Speaker
Talk to this movement, whoever that may be. There's there's multiple different groups that are all combining on this, but there needs to be a marketing plan on this because i so I think we need to stop talking about eliminating property taxes. Eliminating taxes, I think we need to talk about changing the way we're taxed.
01:20:47
Speaker
There's too many people when I bring it up, oh, no, we can't. What about the schools? No, no. The schools will still be funded just differently. We're not eliminating the tax tax. We will be taxed elsewhere. but I mean, that's that's the reality.
01:20:59
Speaker
If this were to go through and the property tax taxes were abolished, we would probably have to have a sales tax or an ad to our sale or another, you know what I mean? It's not we're going to get off and go, oh, no more taxes.
01:21:13
Speaker
Their point is we want we want more focused taxes. We want a tax for schools, a tax for the roads. You know, we want to know what you're paying. We want itemized stuff. We don't want this just bulk bill that everybody pays and nobody pays attention to.
01:21:27
Speaker
Because I've talked to a lot of people about, oh we can't eliminate taxes. How are they going pay for schools? Like, it's already there. Like, the programming's already there. Yeah, yeah. they've They've done a wonderful job programming us. So they they touched on House Bill 920 from 1973. And one of the things he touched on was we've had a similar...
01:21:47
Speaker
This happened before in in the 70s. That's why we have house built 920. This increased, this huge jump. It wasn't, I don't think, as big as it is now. I don't think. But we had another jump in the 70s with property values, and that's why they put in 920. And he had, i don't think he points out, I don't think he points out in this clip that I have claimed, but it is, we're the only state that did it this way.
01:22:09
Speaker
We're the only state that that made this law to reduce The tax you know to to reduce the levy and, you know, give people tax breaks when you have huge spikes in property taxes.
01:22:21
Speaker
ah other kind Other states did it in different ways. I think more like tax credits, something that effect, if I remember. But there's something else, too, something where 920 is failing us. And this is what he gets to in this last little clip here.
01:22:35
Speaker
You know, if you look back, I've taken the data already all the way back to, you know, the year 2000, and you can't find a single year where the reappraisal values were over 15%, let alone over.
01:22:49
Speaker
Sorry, I got to interrupt. I forgot. the ah To your point on the working group, this this is clip will probably address one of the things we're looking at, which is that 20 mil floor.
01:23:03
Speaker
continuing Over 20% or let alone over 30% increases. And so we are seeing ah historically unusual increase in property values. And it's a variety of factors. It's got to do with interest rates. It's got to do with the pandemic. It's got to do with housing, so stock supply.
01:23:23
Speaker
There's a lot of underlying reasons for this. But you you know to to taxpayers, they don't really care what the underlying reasons are. They only but care what happened to their tax bill. And you know what has happened is that House Bill 920, that safety valve that is supposed to kick in when property values rise, after 45 years of it working fairly effectively, it's not working as well because there's a phenomenon that most people in this state don't know about. It's something called the 20 mil floor, and it applies to school districts.
01:23:55
Speaker
And what it means is that the school School millage can't go below 20 mils. And so if you're a district at the 20 mil floor, House Bill 920 can't keep reducing that millage in response to inflation. And we've got, you know, right now close to two-thirds of the school districts in the state at that 20 mil floor, and that's been creating problems for taxpayers in those schools.
01:24:19
Speaker
That's the little caveat that we all have to understand. Yeah, there's a house bill 920. There's ah a bill that helps this when you get, you have these large increases in property values, but it has a floor.
Citizen Advocacy in Tax Discussions
01:24:30
Speaker
it can't go below ah certain amount.
01:24:34
Speaker
And when property taxes are going up 30% year over year, every couple of years, whatever it is,
01:24:42
Speaker
That's one of the things DeWine vetoed was they wanted to be able to include that 20-mil floor into the 920, into the safety valve, as he puts it.
01:24:53
Speaker
Right now, you can you can't turn it off. So you've got a leak. A faucet, you've got a leak and you turn your valve, but it still stays open 20%. So you're still going to get a flood.
01:25:04
Speaker
I don't know if that analogy works, but it sounded good in my head. And that's where we are. That's one of the things they're talking about. passing is the elimination of that 20 mil floor or and ah editing it or changing it to a way that you have a little more control. Like the county auditors can lower that 20 mil floor if they seem, they see fit.
01:25:24
Speaker
My problem with all this is by the time they figure all this out, the property tax is going to be a problem. i mean, I mean, its like they're starting to kind of level off already and, you know, put two more years onto this and they're goingnna say, oh, well, you know, the problem's over and got to worry about anymore.
01:25:41
Speaker
That's where we are with property taxes, I think.
01:25:46
Speaker
Anything on that, Tom?
01:25:49
Speaker
If people want to keep up with their property tax issue, there is a great website called lobbyistforcitizens.com. We'll put it the show notes. yep Yep. we'll put it on our website and stuff, A lot of good stuff on It's going to be part of my...
01:26:07
Speaker
Part of my normal reading, weekly reading, because it's a good site. I forgot about it, and I'm but actually looking at it right now, and I'm like, man, there's a lot of information here. And then there's a i would say most of it's dedicated to property tax reform.
01:26:24
Speaker
Yes, it is. It is very much so. Sorry, got caught reading stuff. I know. Sorry. All right. folks I wouldn't say all of it. I mean, they they it's so it it's all it deals with Ohio, and it's basically a group that has, it's a place for citizens to, they're lobbyists for citizens. who you know most Most businesses have lobbyists, or ah industries have lobbyists. this is what about What about citizens? This is the...
01:26:49
Speaker
I don't know. I forgot his name. He is, uh, yeah, it was one of the clips that we played Massey. i remember his name because it reminds me of the former Florida house guy. I think it was, but his name is, uh, his last name is Massey. I don't think it's any relation, but he's, i think he's the one with this group. Cause I remember him, ah in one of the clips that we played the interviews I saw at least, you know, when he was going through looking at his property tech and that, you know, he was talking about, you know, the, whatever County he's in the, you know, the,
01:27:16
Speaker
The crime lab has an extra one and a half million dollars every year. And they they don't lower that. They just bank it, you know? And he was like, well, what he realized when he went to reach out to his local or state ah representative that he couldn't get any time with them because they're too busy with all the lobbyists. And he thought, well, how come um citizens don't have lobbyists?
01:27:38
Speaker
And then he started the lobbyists for citizens or citizens, whatever. Yeah. Lobbyists for citizens. Excuse me. and And it's a great idea because, yeah, if anyone needs a lobbyist to be there the people, know, so yeah, check them out. They're the good resource and they they could use all the support right now.
01:27:55
Speaker
They're really in the forefront of this abolish property taxes.
Crime and Law Enforcement in Cleveland
01:28:02
Speaker
On to the next one. i guess I guess we'll touch on this real quick. Max Miller was in the news. Oh, boy. Max Miller. Is he your rep? No. Yeah. he one of your? Yeah. I think he's yours, too, isn't he? I think you might be right.
01:28:15
Speaker
um So he was he had an op-ed piece in, where was it? The Washington Post, I think. Well, yeah, I got a clip here. ah just They'll definitely tell us where he got where he did his op-ed piece. Here he go.
01:28:33
Speaker
Ohio Congressman Max Miller's op-ed appeared in the Washington Times, a conservative newspaper, conservative newspaper, conservative newspaper, on Monday. case got it, make you got it. He wrote that Governor DeWine should deploy the Ohio National Guard to Cleveland.
01:28:47
Speaker
We could always use help in in some aspect, yeah but National Guard help? ah the Martial law? i don't think so. That boy's about as sharp as a bowling ball. Cleveland Councilman Brian Casey says Miller is just looking for headlines.
01:29:04
Speaker
The city isn't even in his district. right but Miller wrote that his constituents in the suburbs are afraid to go into the city, especially after incidents like last week's shooting in the flats.
01:29:16
Speaker
He also cited federal crime data showing there were 6,100 violent crimes back in 2023. The problem is, is that Cleveland's always going to be the big, the big fish to fry. Casey says Cleveland is getting safer.
01:29:30
Speaker
Violent crime dropped in 2024. And homicide numbers are down over the past three years. oh well I'm not saying that we're perfect. We're not flawless. But were we're not living above our means when it comes to crime. Miller's request came the same day.
01:29:44
Speaker
President Trump announced he would send the National Guard to Memphis and just over a month after he deployed troops in Washington, D.C. We have a better, ah more appropriate, let's say, a more appropriate. Definitely not better. Today, Governor Mike DeWine said he will continue to use the state highway patrol to help Cleveland fight crime, but not the Ohio National Guard. It's different role. Speeding And that's why yeah I'm not going to send in the National Guard to one of our cities in Ohio. Oh.
01:30:14
Speaker
do you see it Do you hear him stop? it Well, I have a better, well, it's not a better approach. It's just a different approach. What the heck? Have you ever seen a a highway patrol in downtown Cleveland?
01:30:30
Speaker
On the highway, giving people tickets. Yes, but have you... On the shoreway. I've never seen one. On the shoreway. oh yeah, okay. In the city. On the shoreway, yeah. In the city. I've never seen one in the city. I've never even seen one on the shoreway. I'm sure there have been, but I've never really seen one. on the shoreway, right right where the interchange is, unless you know, like ah you go to 90 or you could take two. Oh, yeah, okay.
01:30:50
Speaker
Oh. They'll sit there. I haven't seen them there. they'll What they'll do is I'll see them there for like a ah few weeks at a time. Mm-hmm. And then you don't see them for a long time. But they do. They sit around. Well, it's a perfect spot. It goes from 60 to 55 or something it's perfect.
01:31:07
Speaker
It's a perfect spot to, you know, collect money, wrangle up gang members. Yes. per Yes. That's what they're doing. That's it's it's for your safety, Tom. It's for safety. Yeah. Yeah. I just I just thought I'd point out that, you know, if no one ever goes to New York Times, ah a liberal newspaper, a liberal newspaper, no one ever says that.
01:31:27
Speaker
ah what Why? Why?
01:31:30
Speaker
I'm surprised they didn't say ah ah far right. a Far right. Yeah. Right. I i do. I i i ah can see the point. and You know, Max is probably yeah probably knowing what when he puts his op ed piece out, what it's going to do.
01:31:46
Speaker
Yeah. i mean, it's a politician. he's He's trying to get trying to get views and he's making a point. I mean, and then this comes in only moment ah days after President Trump says he's going to send troops to
01:31:59
Speaker
I personally, I think Max Miller is ah spineless twink. I mean, he's a politician, so the chances are very high. Yeah, I thought he was going to be better than guy who he took over, but apparently not.
01:32:13
Speaker
Anthony gonzalo gonzale Gonzalez? Something like that he took we We basically kicked him out and he run for he ran for a spot, I think. Yeah, I believe so.
01:32:24
Speaker
ah Yeah, and that's that's what the... More of the same. More the That's what DeWine wants to do. Let's put the highway patrol...
01:32:33
Speaker
right yeah okay ah and Crime, but one more point, because we've talked about this many times on the show. Crime is down so much in Cleveland over the last few years. I bet that's why they decided to in that or to ask the county sheriffs to help with this downtown safety patrol. It's because crime is down, right?
01:32:52
Speaker
Is that why? No, I think the article said because of a spike in crime in 2023. So then there was a spike in 23. So naturally it would be down in 24. Oh, there's this. No, the spike happened in 21 and 22.
01:33:06
Speaker
two Basic. And it started in 2020. Remember, we went right. But the articles I read were the reason they put the safety patrol in was because of a spike in 23 or something like 24, something like that. Well, they put it in.
01:33:18
Speaker
It was after COVID is my point. It was, it wasn't the spike of COVID. They're saying there was another spike from what I remember reading. That's why they, cause it was only, that's only a year and a half or two years old. That, that highway, that's the safety patrol.
01:33:29
Speaker
so it was started in 23.
01:33:33
Speaker
Perhaps because cops are afraid to arrest people. Well, that that was the other thing is because a spike, they said, I remember a spike in crime and a lack of ah new cops, basically.
01:33:45
Speaker
Right. Because I don't know, for two years of defund the police and complete and utter morale.
01:33:54
Speaker
They're just cops are being trashed for two years. Yeah. Nobody wants to be a cop anymore. Oh, yeah. And then oh there was, course, there's ah I think Sykes has a comment in here. Is that her name?
01:34:06
Speaker
It's not in here. She says, ah oh, yeah, well, yeah, but we have to. We could just support the cops more.
01:34:16
Speaker
ah Yeah, you were the one yelling at the top of your lungs, defund the police. So shut it.
01:34:26
Speaker
That's enough of that. um And Tommy, you ready? want to take the next one real quick? I think you have you have the button for this. Oh, wait, hold on. No, no, wait, wait, hey wait wait, almost skipped over.
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01:35:00
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Cleveland Browns Stadium and Political Implications
01:35:05
Speaker
All right, Tom. Can you help me out with this next one here? Can you that first word for me? You got you got the ah the tools.
01:35:15
Speaker
Breaking news! Yes, breaking news. um Yeah, ODOT approved the Cleveland Browns Stadium.
01:35:25
Speaker
That's it. Who gives a shit? like Like it wasn't going to happen. oh So basically the Haslam's found some extra cash in the cushions of their couch.
01:35:37
Speaker
And somehow that found its way to ODOT or some politician somewhere for their campaign. And now it's, I'm just, I'm just playing, of course.
01:35:48
Speaker
So just I have no idea. just You knew was going to get approved. They just wanted to have this sub say in it. like some Make some headlines, I guess. So that's going to happen. I just drove past her the other day, and they got big piles of dirt there. That's about it.
01:36:04
Speaker
But they're moving they're moving dirt. They're already starting. Oh, are they? They're already preparing the land. And be honest with you, actually, what I noticed when I drove past her is, wow, there's a lot of work to be done because it looks like a crap hole.
01:36:19
Speaker
It's an industrial area. I'm not trying to... it's it's There's there's ah hubs for like ah trucking companies. There's a Ford plant there. It's been blighted a piece of land forever. It's been just sitting there empty for years. I mean, hol long? It could be decades. so Do they want it open for the 28 season? 29 season, I think. 29 season? Yeah, that's why they got to... 28, 29? They want to start construction next year so they can be ready in 29.
01:36:44
Speaker
Pretty sure that's what it was. So you mean like the 29...
01:36:48
Speaker
season, right? Starting, okay. Well, here, how about? They got time. Yeah, it's... It's going to be quick. You got it. Yeah. And it's going to be quick. And, you know, Canadian left, that we're going to whip up this ah this stadium as quick as possible and then hand it over to city and say, here, you do the maintenance on this that we rushed.
01:37:06
Speaker
You screw this up. you you Here, here's this here's this building, this $1.5 billion dollars building that we rushed to get up. I'm sure nothing's going to go wrong with it. Here, take the maintenance over on it. what you know I can't believe they're not doing a retractable roof.
01:37:20
Speaker
i Yeah. maybe they Maybe because the planes will be so close, they don't want to. I was just trying to see if they say you say what year they want to have this. I'm pretty sure it's 29th season because that's when they're... What do call it? Slated to open in 2029. The very last time.
01:37:43
Speaker
ah very lesson
01:37:46
Speaker
So that was really not that news. I just thought I'd make fun of it a little bit. And on to our last segment. We bring good things to life.
01:37:58
Speaker
On the first good things list for today is actually pretty cool. ah Ohio parks, state parks were named best in the country. Ohio was given the gold medal award. It came down to three states.
01:38:11
Speaker
This is interesting. Florida, Wyoming, and Ohio. And know Ohio won.
01:38:19
Speaker
We beat Florida and Wyoming. ah state well Florida, I get. But Wyoming? I'm surprised. Well, i okay, that's, you know... ah whatever you call it out there.
01:38:34
Speaker
What's the big national? It's a national park, not a state park. Yellowstone. Yellowstone. ah yellowllstone yeah Yeah. Maybe that's, maybe that's why, because they only got one, maybe. I mean, it's a great one, but. It's a national one. It's not an Ohio. It's not a state. You're right. Good point. There are four state parks around Youngstown.
01:38:51
Speaker
says Lake Milton is the area newest having been founded in 1988. Lake Milton was a state park in 1988. ah Mosquito Lake, Guilford Lake, Beaver Creek, which were all founded in 1949.
01:39:07
Speaker
Yeah. and Can't forget Salt Fork. Salt Fork. I've camped there. that's where all the big feet are found or spotted. The Sasquatchian area.
01:39:18
Speaker
I shouldve should have pulled that. Somehow I ran into a video on YouTube of the... I think we, Ohio grass. No, I think we, uh, we talked about the Sasquatch event they had or. Yeah. well They usually hold it there. And I, well, I think there's a couple of them in Ohio, but soft pork, there's always one in soft pork. Somehow I came across the video of the, uh, what was it? The Sasquatch call contest.
01:39:42
Speaker
I'm, I'm picking myself now. I should totally. That's awesome. There's quite different calls. No, I don't think anybody really knows what it sounds like. Cause, Both ends of the spectrum was funny.
01:39:55
Speaker
um There are a total of 76 state parks in Ohio, including 9,300 campsites, 1,200 miles of trails, 10 lodges, and 7,100 programs.
01:40:07
Speaker
You know, I saw this. where yeah I saw you clip this, and I took took a look at it, and then I Googled to see the Ohio State Park map, and um it's it's impressive.
01:40:19
Speaker
It's impressive. We are pretty fortunate, I think, in Ohio. Yeah. I never take advantage of it. What the hell? Rarely. I mean, drive through them, but that's about I've been in Salt Fork many times in my life. They have a beautiful lake because it's a man-made reservoir, so it's nice and flat.
01:40:32
Speaker
Yeah. Sweeney and tubing and all that stuff. and bigfo And Bigfoot. And Bigfoot. Oh, yes. I mean, course. I mean, that's the only, really only reason to go. He camps there once in a while. He's got to move around. i mean he's popular.
01:40:44
Speaker
I saw him. He sat right in the middle of campfire one time. Sure, that wasn't a, like a jerky commercial? I was really young and really drunk, so I don't know.
01:40:56
Speaker
Just drunk? You know. Just drunk. Yeah. yeah but You know, what like when you're when you're like, you're you're um yeah doing something, drinking beverages you shouldn't be drinking when you're like about 18, 19 years old and it's probably the last time you're going to go camping with all your buddies. Mm-hmm.
01:41:18
Speaker
There was this huge guy who just sat in the fire. Oh, okay. I thought you were referencing the beef jerky commercials. No, no. All right. And what could what can you do at some the state parks, Tom? what is what's What are good things we could we could do What's a good event to do at a state park?
01:41:35
Speaker
ah Event? Or a reason to go? A reason to go? high yeah in the go kayaking, camping, you can go hiking, you can go searching for Bigfoot. Are you allowed to go mushrooming?
01:41:47
Speaker
i don't, i I think you are. i think if like, I think you can go to the state ah parks and look for mushrooms. Like you can't do that at the Metro parks, but at state parks, I'm not sure. Don't, don't.
01:41:59
Speaker
You just don't tell anybody. You'd be fine. Yeah. Just don't tell anybody. But ah what else? I mean, go look at monarch butterflies. Apparently. Oh, yeah, I completely forgot about that.
01:42:12
Speaker
so So, people, there's we're going to put a link in there. Monarchs typically start migrating through Ohio first three weeks of October. You might have missed it, but you could go to the state park and possibly catch the last glimpse of them this week.
01:42:29
Speaker
and they're They're a little later than usual, I think, because of the weather. Yeah, so maybe you catch them a little bit. maybe other yeah Maybe towards the end of it, you might see some still. So yeah, the the weather might have a lot to do with it. They say a lot of winds and storm fronts will push them this way.
Ohio's State Parks: National Recognition
01:42:46
Speaker
So they're thinking with the lack of rain and storms, they might not be either, they may be late or you might not see that many this year as previous years. And along with that, our next little story is,
01:43:00
Speaker
The dry conditions. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I think we mentioned the next story last week or the week before about the fall colors changing. Yeah. Fall colors changing. We had mentioned that. but This is more looking at what we might see a different fall color this year.
01:43:15
Speaker
And this was a cleveland.com story, which they've conveniently, you know, locked up so I can't see it anymore. So didn't I can, oh, they lock it up after a couple of weeks. Yeah.
01:43:27
Speaker
and and ba Mine's still open. Basically, ah because of the dry conditions, it's going to be a slightly different, it could be a different fall foliage this year because a lot of trees will turn.
01:43:39
Speaker
They're thinking they're not going to all change together like they do a lot of the times because of the lack of weather, lack of moisture. The um peak time in northern and central Ohio is going to be the 21st, which tomorrow. Yep.
01:43:53
Speaker
so which is tomorrow Right. Right. So when you're listening to this on Monday, that week and probably the upcoming week, it will be the peak for.
01:44:05
Speaker
Oh, no, that's next month. What am I thinking? Oh, October. okay act October, October 21st will be peaking. So if you're planning a little road trip or something to check out the fall colors, Central Ohio and Northern Ohio is the 21st. And then I think a week later is Southern Ohio. Yeah.
01:44:25
Speaker
So what I'm thinking is you might earlier might be better this year because i think you're going to have some trees changing with some aren't. so you're to have the, the orange and yellows mixed with the green. And then, then when you maybe, this is obviously just my stupid brain, but then maybe if you go later, you're going to have those trees that have fallen, the ones that are now changed. So you're gonna have You know what I mean? going to have some like empty trees with colorful trees.
01:44:49
Speaker
So maybe the early... but i think that's ah i think the peak I think the peak is going to be the 21st. I just don't know how if it's going to be as colorful as usual. i think it's going to be more so more green than usual, maybe.
01:45:00
Speaker
That's I think. oh I don't know. They're calling it peak. Yeah. which is Which is later than normal. That's true. That is so it is later. So ah I think they're accounting for that. So the I think the peak colors are the 21st of October, that week, and then for Southern Ohio, ah the 28th, the last week of October. it could have a dual effect on autumn's annual show. Some species, including walnuts, dogwoods, and buckeyes, will turn early, stressed by lack of moisture.
01:45:34
Speaker
Right, right. So to go check it out. Go take a drive. turn Turn your phone off and enjoy the beautiful state that we have. And utilize those those those state parks because they are awesome.
01:45:49
Speaker
And don't forget about them because when you're sitting there going, I don't have nothing do, take a walk. Turn the phone off. Turn the media off. Take a walk and and listen and talk to people.
Episode Recap and Listener Appreciation
01:46:01
Speaker
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