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Cool Careers in Accounting Ep. 16 - The Marriage of Art & Accounting with Drew Carrick
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The “Rapping CPA” joins host Mike Potenza for an episode that delves into the creative side of accounting. Drew Carrick shares his unique blend of technical and artistic talents, which has led him to create the “Rapping CPA” brand and music videos like the popular “Public Accounting Anthem.” Drew emphasizes the evolving nature of accounting, encouraging young professionals to embrace both technical and creative skillsets to succeed in the future. Learn from Drew’s unique journey to leverage your talents, make a mark in the accounting field, and grow a career that’s dynamic and fulfilling.
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Introducing Drew Carrick: The Rappin' CPA
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Hey everyone, it's Mike Patenza back with another cool career in accounting podcast. And do we have a special guest for you today? We have someone who is really unique, a really interesting person.
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His name is Drew Carrick, and he is not only an accountant, not only a CPA, But he is as creative and artistic as anyone you ever will meet.
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Now, we know usually that combination, you don't get all of that together, technical and artistic. But this gentleman, he is
Drew's Unique Career Path: Influences and Inspirations
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both. And we're going to talk all about his career and the different things that he's done.
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So without anything else to say on that little introduction, I'd like to bring Drew Carrick to the screen. And Drew, if you could take a moment, just say hi to the crowd. What's going on everybody? What's going on, Mike? I'm happy to be here.
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Well, listen, it's it's really our pleasure to have you here because your background, when people hear about it, they're going to be like, really? This guy is a CPA? Are you kidding me?
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So before we dive into the real details and the meat of this interview, I just have one basic question for you. Have you always been both creative and technical, good in math, but also artistic you know since you were a kid? Or you know is this your life? When did it start?
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Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of details I think we could get into from my whole childhood. But essentially, I was the cultivation of a very creative side of the family with people with working with their hands, engineers and, and teachers and educators and artists and musicians. And on the other side, I had business folks and lawyers and doctors. And so I kind of ended up being this culmination of these two worlds. And hence the rapping CPA was born.
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All right, now that that's a title I love, Rappin' CPA. And I mean, you have to be the original because I never heard of any Rappin' CPA before I met you.
From Music to Accounting: The 'Public Accounting Anthem'
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And what I really think we should do for our audience so that they get an idea on your level of creativity and what it means to be a Rappin' CPA,
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We should play a little excerpt of one of the music music videos you created. i You wrote the lyrics, you produced the video. It's really, really engaging. i I think it's fantastic. And we're going to play a little excerpt from something that's been viewed by thousands upon thousands of people called the Public Accounting Anthem. So let's take a look at this. he When my documents on point and I finish review points, all I do is sit and wait for the call to get anointed.
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Murphy with the fun, chef Curry with the pen, whipping up one paper templates prior year back from the death. All I know is CPA, cause I do this every day. Cause accounting is my life, this is what I gotta say.
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All I know is CPA, cause I do this every day. Cause accounting is my life, this is what I gotta say. I do this all for my firm man. I got a nice car and a game plan.
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do this every day like a job Accountants got me kicking like a tin can. I know the national, I know the big four. I know the private government and offshore.
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keep my books clean like a bookstore. CPA till I die, till I get more. I could watch that thing a hundred times. It never gets old. So give me an idea, Drew. What was the inspiration for this?
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You know, I think what was also interesting is just like a decade ago when this was first created, Becker was actually one of the first companies to comment on the video saying, hey, I think we need to redo our anthem. um So I'd say for me, the inspiration was that I had created, i was really into Fetty Wap at the time.
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And i remember working in Audit. I was going through my first busy season and I was on the train just listening to a lot of Fetty Wap, who was kind of big at the time. And I had this idea from one song called 679.
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And I was like, well what if there was a song called 1231 making a little, you know, reference to the year end close. And i remember saying, okay, well, I'm going to go buy Petty Cash.
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And that'll be my my stage name is a little you know play on Petty Wap. And I posted this video, which was just a parody of 679 called 1231. And it blew up on Reddit. And I was shocked. And I didn't realize how strong the accounting Reddit community actually was.
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So after they had picked it up, I was like, okay, there might be something to this whole rapping about accounting thing. Because I had been rapping in college, but it was all about frat raps and and parties and drinking games and stuff like that. And now I was working in the working world. So I was like, all right, well, I'll do some professional raps.
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And I really wanted to do an original song. I wanted it to be something that was like completely mine that I could say, I made the lyrics. This isn't a parody. I'm not just a a weird owl wannabe. I'm creating my own authentic songs and music video. And i very specifically called it the public accounting anthem because I felt like anybody who goes into public accounting should have this be the first video that they happen to look up on YouTube. Like, is there a song about public accounting?
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This is what I wanted them to be able to see. So I was very deliberate in in naming that. And I just pulled on references from things i was experiencing while working as a CPA at a national public accounting firm.
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And ah the rest was sort of history. I went to New York City with my buddy and we just filmed and I wrote the song in a day, recorded it in a day, filmed it in a day,
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edited in a day. And a week later, song was up and it was really cool to see the feedback from the community of just people embracing it and enjoying it.
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Yeah. I mean, that is wild. The fact that you wrote it, recorded it and published it so quickly, simply amazing. But now just keep in mind, there's some people watching this that might be like super old like me, or maybe even a lot younger than you.
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Fetty Wap. what's What's a Fetty Wap? Fetty Wap is just a a musical artist. He's a rapper who had ah had a big spotlight in the mid-2010s, I would say. So he had he he had his peak where he was just a top artist, and ah I was a fan, so I got into it.
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Love it. Love it. All right. So let's so rewind it a bit. Let's go back to when Drew was, you know, young boy, you know, in school, high school, everything. You said you had a family with all sorts of diversity in their professional careers. Luckily, you got the positives out of both sides, not the negatives.
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But when did you really realize that, hey, I could kind of marry the two or was that later on in time?
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Yeah, it was interesting because I think growing up, I was interested in so many different things. And I had this strong, compelling pull to do something in the entertainment industry and to do something creative, which is why in high school I acted.
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I was big into acting. I was the lead in all of the plays in throughout all of high school. I got into Civil War reenacting as just another way of storytelling and acting as just like a fun side hobby.
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I played the drums. I was in the jazz band, the marching band. You know, of course, I'm drum line. I'm playing the quads and i'm I'm always being a performer of some sorts. And even at like family gatherings, you know, all the cousins would get together and we'd put on a show for the parents over the holidays or birthdays and whenever we had family gatherings.
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So there was always that pull to do something entertaining and to be creative. And I was good, you know, artistically as well. um But at the same time, I always still had this pull to the business world.
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And I remember talking with my friends about inventing our own, you know, we we started our own bike shop where we would find old bikes and we would try to like spray paint them and and revitalize them and then sell them or or fix them.
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We had a Pizzadilla concept where I wanted to sell basically pizza quesadillas to our local community. And we'd ride around on our bikes and and drop them off. So there was always this entrepreneurship and business side as well.
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But I think growing up in a high school, I was very, I was, you know, from my mom's side of the family, it was very much so get good grades, do what you're supposed to do, get into a good college, you know, get your master's at that point. It was, it was very calculated and that side of the family is very calculated.
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So it wasn't until I actually went to college when I wasn't taking AP classes, which what you were supposed to do in high school, which is all your just your general sciences and and general maths and all that sort of stuff that i realized the whole entire business industry and I hadn't learned a thing about it. And I got really into it. And took my first accounting class, i had a great accounting professor who sort of was like, um going to make you president of the accounting club.
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And ah from there, I just was like, all right, I guess I'm majoring in accounting. And that turned into an internship and internship turned into the job, the getting ready for the job turned into taking the CPA exam. So it was just a very, it just sort of snowballed and happened on its own. But I always still had that uh youtube creator sense in me so i was riding both of these lanes the entire time and there was a realization that i had where again being having an accountant mindset is just such an important thing to me and i think being the accountant mindset who can just grind it out is the reason i was able to make the video uh the song and the video and get it all posted in one week i treated it like it was busy season but i was applying it to the creative side
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ah having that mindset, I realized, well, I could be a struggling waiter or do it or bartender working, hopefully getting a gig acting or doing something creative, or I could maybe make my own luck and get into the business world and be a CPA with the, I mean, if CPA is your safety net, that's a pretty high, you could climb pretty high. And still, if you fall, you're you're not falling very far because you're still way ahead of everything else. So I kind of approached it with that mindset. And I realized that being a CPA and being a finance professional, but having the creative
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What was the unique angle that I could pull two together to just differentiate yourself? So you're not just another accountant. You're not just another creator, but you're pulling these two worlds together and and differentiating and standing out is the most important key, I think, to career success.
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All right. That's a lot of information. I'm going to have decompress a little bit of that stuff. But you said something else. that It's like spinning through my mind. I have to ask you this question. You said you're going through school, you know, the creativity side. You wanted you were always the lead in the school plays. I'm trying to picture Drew Carrick.
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Are you like, you know, Danny Zuko in Greece? Are you um Hamlet? You know, are you Phantom of the Opera? What was your best lead role? Uh, my best lead role was actually as Mr. Frank in the diary of Anne Frank.
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Um, and that was just, it, it stretched you to the fullest extent because the way that the play is written, uh, it's obviously very emotional. It's at a very deep subject, but there's also these light, lighthearted moments. And of course, you know, Mr. Frank was the one survivor of the, of the whole entire course. So I have to come back in at the end and give this monologue talking about every single person who stayed in the annexes end result.
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So all the other plays before that had been comedies that we had been working on. So I got to play Colonel Blake in MASH, which was fun. Leon Tolchinsky and in Fools. ah So a lot of really cool roles, but that one was the one that really stretched my acting ability. I fell to another level.
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And, um, Yeah, I was just always for me in ah in high school acting, it's about just being the reliable person. Like, can you project? Can you articulate clearly? Which honestly, looking back now, it's like that kind of has led me to this content creator of being a host and somebody who can read off a teleprompter very well, who can interview very well. And it's all about that sort of articulation. But yeah, no, my my my shtick was just I didn't really have a shtick because my whole my last name is Carrick.
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So a little anecdote there is that I've always been known as the character, which means I could just play any sort character. sort of this a chameleon type where you just i'll just I'll just fill the role and fit it.
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Very nice. Okay. So you're going through this high school and you're getting all these different roles in the art side, but now you're also in your math and your APs. So now you're like, all right, I'm graduating high school. I'm going to go into college.
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So did you just say, I'm going to dive into accounting at this point, or did you first start off with the creative side and some art and then switch over to accounting? How did that work going through college?
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It was so difficult because when you have interest in so many different areas, it was never as straightforward and it's still not. Even looking at my career trajectory you know over the last 10 years and the next 10 years moving forward, it's so ambiguous because i feel like i'm very adaptable and very agile and I'm ready to take any opportunity that comes along. so For a while, people thought I was going to maybe major in history and then maybe go down the law school route because, again, there was the accountant in me, the risk averse person was like, how do you find something stable where you're going to make money? You're going to have a good career trajectory. It's going to be a little bit predictable, ah which is good for planning and having a safe financial future.
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But at the same time, i was you know I was into the acting and I was also big into history. So my first career goal back in high school was I wanted to be the guy on the history channel just getting really amped up about a war, you know, especially American history. So I can imagine that guy with the crazy hair talking about aliens.
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And I wanted to be that guy, but of like, so the thing about the Battle of Gettysburg is, and I just wanted to be like the resident expert that they bring onto the History Channel to talk about some sort of historical event.
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So that was my first Ambition. So people thought, okay, maybe he'll major in history. And then obviously, what do you i don't really know what you do with a history degree besides teach history. Otherwise, a lot of times they go into law school. So maybe it was going to be the law school route.
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But it wasn't until I took my two my first business 250 class and I took my first accounting 101 class principles of accounting and two weeks in I had this realization. And I think this is the epiphany moment that decides whether you're going to go into accounting or not, is when you grasp debits and credits.
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And when I had this realization that it didn't mean debit card and credit card, it actually just meant like left side of the chart, right side of the chart. It was just a way to do the double entry bookkeeping. It wasn't some alternative sub language that I just couldn't comprehend. As soon as I grasped that, everything for the rest of that course just became easy and simple and it made sense and everything balanced. And The teacher, like I said, recognized that in me and really sort of just pushed me to being like, you get this, you grasp this. Not a lot of people grasp it.
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And there was this pride, I think, in choosing
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accounting because it was viewed as the most difficult and most technical of the business majors. So, you know, it was it was accounting. And if you couldn't handle accounting, you dropped into finance. And if you couldn't handle finance, you went into, you know, marketing and management and then general business. And there was sort of like this pecking order, I felt like, to the business majors.
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So I felt like I always wanted to try to do whatever the best thing was at whatever it was that I was doing, which is why i ended up sort of picking accounting. And and the Business 250 class just fed right into it because I just was realizing I really love this business side of stuff.
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Yeah, that that makes a lot of sense. I get that. You know someone who's gone through the same thing, totally have that you know magic moment when the light bulb goes off and you realize, hey, this is it. I figured it out. I got it. Now, debits and credits. Is that lyrics in your song anywhere?
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have a run oh i mean, that that makes its way, I feel like, into every and every song. There's always some sort of reference to something getting debited and something getting credited. All right. So you're in college now. You're like, all right, I got it. It's going to be accounting. So did you ever even have an accounting internship or did you just graduate, go right into accounting? How'd you go from college internship to, you know, first job? Walk me through that.
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Yeah. So I actually ended up skipping a year of college, uh, because why not be a super nerd and graduate before you're even legally able to drink. Um, and i remember being able to, uh,
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All of a sudden I had to declare a major because my freshman year, by the time I graduated or finished my freshman year, I was technically finishing my sophomore year, which means, okay, you're halfway through college, you need an internship and you have to declare a major. So I declared accounting.
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I took a summer course in order to catch up to speed with the other people who had been on the rotation a little bit sooner. So I was at the same pace. And it was on a whim that I reached out to my mom and I was like, you know, you worked in finance and and accounting. Do you have any connections from your fraternity? Because she was in a business fraternity.
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And then she realized that this one guy i had played baseball with son, um he the dad was something in accounting is what I was told. Turns out he was the national managing partner for Grant Thornton ah of the not for profit sector. And at that time, all of the because I was so late in figuring out, oh, shoot, I need an internship. I'm about to be a junior in college.
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Uh, all the summer program had been filled up, but I guess you saw my resume. So I was involved in a lot of different activities, had a good GPA, was just very active overall and said, I think this guy has potential.
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Was able to call up national, get an extra internship summer spot for me. And the, after that, I was like, this is amazing. i I love this. I had such an amazing time as an intern and you get the true intern experience, which I completely relate to. And it was awesome.
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And I did it again the following summer, which led to a job offer. And then I knew I had one year to finish the CPA exam before I started working. So that was a big moment. I finished my MBA, went right into the CPA, and then January 2015 began working at Wow. So saddest part of that story is you graduated before your legal drinking age. so You never had an alcoholic beverage in college. I'm so sorry to hear that. Never had a single one.
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Now, granted, now the reason why I did get my MBA is so that I could still graduate a fourth year with all of my friends. And so they were in their senior year. I was just taking grad school classes at the time.
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And you're showing off the two degrees to their one. How great is that? That is a power move for sure. That was fun. I sitting at the front of the ah at the front of commencement. you know I was in that front row with all the grad people.
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Love it. Love it. Okay. So now you're graduating, you're undergrad. Then you next year you have your MBA. So when is it that first full-time job? And did you go from the internship at Grant Thornton directly to Grant Thornton?
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And did you work in tax audit? What did you do? Yeah, so I was brought directly into not-for-profit and higher education audit, and I interned in that. i did get to do my rotation in some commercial gigs as well, which I thought was a great experience to have and just just see a variety of industries.
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But ah i when I finished my MBA, i actually ended up having one more class that i needed to take because I didn't realize that I was one class short because I'd taken every accounting class in undergrad.
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And technically, most people during their master's would take an accounting class. So I didn't have one to take. So i ended up a class ah proud a class short. I went to college down in Maryland at Mount St. Mary's University. I grew up in New York, and that's where I was living and planning to study for the CPA exam.
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I actually commuted. once a week from New York down to Maryland. It was about a four and a half, five hour drive, leave in the morning, go to class the afternoon, and then stay at the class for three hours and then commute back to New York later on that evening, which was, which was totally crazy. And I had just started studying for the CPA exam at that time, because I knew I had six months before the full-time job started. I didn't intern that summer.
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I was like, I'm going to be locked in just studying for the CPA exam. And that way, when I start, it's not even a thought on my mind. So I went straight into GT and audit ah as ah as an A1 at that point.
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Wow. That's a pretty hefty commute, three hours each way. mean, I know that was a long time ago. Today, you probably need to buy yourself a drone and just like fly yourself back and forth. Yeah. But so now you now you do that, you get this course, and now you're eligible to sit for the CPA exam. So did you do that while you were still in school or during your first year at Grant Thornton? And did you study on your own? You use a review course.
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Walk me through that process on passing the CPA exam. Yeah, so I mean, the great thing about all of the large accounting firms is that they have the partnerships with Becker and was able to get me the I chose to do self study because I knew I was going to be one having this somewhat of a commute happening.
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um Two, i I'm very good at staying dedicated. If you just give me a time block and tell me to focus on something, I can lock in and do that. I know some people require having to physically show up, otherwise they'll get too distracted.
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For me, I treated it like it was a full-time job. So I got up in the morning, went to the gym and then started studying. And I just studied until lunch, took a lunch break. And then that was usually, you know, self-study, of course, you know, be Tim Garrity or Peter Linto or whoever else.
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And um I would do that for the four hour lecture in the morning, take a break, have lunch, and then do all the review and assessment questions in the afternoon, be done by dinner.
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And I was still able to have somewhat of a life at that point, because then I still had a couple hours in the evening to decompress if I wanted to hang out with friends or something like that. And I just did that six days a week, essentially for just two months at a time and two months, take the exam, two months, take the exam, two months, take the exam, two months.
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And I'd finished in the end of November of 2014, which gave me a one month window at that point, which was like, that was like sitting duck period, which was just the most graceful portion. I got everything passed on the first try.
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which is awesome. And that by the time I started in January, i was completely finished with all of my CPA exam obligations, which is just such a weight off your shoulders.
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Oh my God. Yeah, that's amazing. Anybody who could do that, it is. It's a perfect way to say it. Weight of the world off your shoulders. And then you could really just focus on, hey, new stage of my life, brand new career. And you you know you're 110% diving right into that. So that's great to hear.
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So now you're doing that. January. You started GT first year. So again, you were in that particular um area that you referenced and did you stay there? And how long did you stay at Grant Thornton before moving on to the the next employer?
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So one of the interesting things was, is I remember it was during my first few months that one of the partners came up to me and asked what I, he's like, what are you doing here? And I, this is after a day where I had given everybody nicknames, I printed out and graphic designed a bunch of name tags for every person at our office. I was in Melville on Long Island at the time.
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And he's like, what are you doing here? And I was like, I don't know, it's five o'clock. I'm just wrapping up the day. And he's like, no, like, what are you doing in public accounting? and I was like, what do you mean? He's like, he's like, you're, you're too creative to just be here doing this.
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He's like, why don't you explore? i don't know, check out our Los Angeles office or see about getting into some of our entertainment clients and stuff like that. Just explore that, that side of you. And i had like a real wow moment where other people recognized a sense of creativity in me.
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And later on that year, I actually won Grant Thornton's for the Northeast region, like most creative accountant award, which is just got all this superlatives that are sort of made up. But it was one of these like recognitions of other people in positions of power were recognizing this creative ability in me. So I always wanted to explore that a bit more.
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And I did audit for three years and then I transitioned. And during the third the third year, I actually did a stint with marketing and business development. And I also started transitioning into advisory services. And I was also put on our local innovation council.
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And that sort of was one of these defining moments for me because being recognized as somebody who could think innovatively, one of the things we had to do is read this book called The Innovator's DNA. And it's all about taking two different worlds and finding a way to put them together. That's where innovation happens. If you're only in one lane, you're only in one discipline, you don't have outside perspective and information and experiences to pull in and bring on board.
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And being this creative that sitting in the accounting and finance field, that's where the innovation he felt was able to happen. So I was put on that council and it's kind of a defining moment. So I was able to move into advisory and I did this rotation where I was working a little bit doing marketing development, a little bit on innovation council, a little bit in audit, a little bit in advisory services, doing risk management and process performance improvement.
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And that was ah another year after that. And so then that led right into one of my senior managers saying, hey, we're trying to do a lot of changes here at ah Long Island University. Just very archaic system, filing cabinets everywhere. Everything was paper documents. The process for coordinating teachers scheduled was very manual.
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And it's just because people have been doing it for for so long, a lot of institutional knowledge, and they wanted to kind of update that, get some systems in place, work with IT t to build it. And I was like, I would love a challenge like that to do something that involves using my analytical accountant mindset and that mentality, but work on budgets, do financial planning and build systems with IT. t And that's what sort of started the next phase of my career.
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So you're still at GT, but LIU is a client and you're just helping them on their innovation side. That's what's happening? Well, so first I was internal audit at LIU because they were a client of ours at GT. And then my senior manager, who is also my coach at GT, had taken a job as the VP of finance at LIU.
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And he said, hey I'm trying to build out this budget department. Do you want to come on full time and and help do some of this change management, essentially, is what I called it. um And yeah, so he kind of brought me on board. I met with the CFO. They're like, you know, we we want you to come on and and help add some youth and and excitement and innovation to the processes that we have in place here for grant management and for academic budgets and workload.
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And it was ah it was ah it just a really cool opportunity because I also knew I'd be able to have less of an ambiguous schedule. will You never know in audit if on a Sunday you're going to get a text message like, hey, I just booked you for a client up in Connecticut. So um make sure your bags are packed because you're going to be there for the week.
00:25:54
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And suddenly the Monday night date plan you had or the Tuesday dinner with your family that you were focusing on, ah that's thrown out the window because you're not working from the main office anymore. So a little bit of the predictability I felt would open up my ability to work more on some of my entrepreneurial, personal creative endeavors and just making some videos and and content like that outside. So I'd have a little more time back.
00:26:16
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right, great. So you're at Grant Thornton couple of years, you get all of that great foundational accounting experience. Then through some connection you have there, you transition to LIU and you start working, you know, let's call a little more on the creative side than you were at GT.
Music Video Success and New Opportunities in Accounting
00:26:31
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But when did you really then embrace this idea that, hey, I'm going to be the rapping CPA, I'm going to write some songs, I'm going to produce some music videos. At what point does that all start to happen?
00:26:42
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So the music video, which we saw earlier, the public accounting anthem was really ah a moment that I could trace back my entire career to. And that's because after that sort of went, I call it niche viral in the accounting community in that world, a lot of people were reaching out to me about being on a podcast episode or helping write a publication. I wrote a white paper about utilizing, engaging, and retaining millennials ah with Grant Thornton. That was one of the white papers we did. I had wrote a few papers for, articles for Elite Daily, which was a big millennial
00:27:15
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magazine, online magazine, essentially about why more accountants are, why more millennials are getting into accounting and what the benefits and perks are of the modern office culture. So, and then I started getting speaking gigs from that too. And i also just got a lot of connections because there was other accountants who were trying to be trailblazers, they were trying to be entrepreneurial and and innovative, who started reaching out to me. And then I discovered this entire, a lot of it's on Twitter, I would say is where a lot of it started. And it's feeded fed out into obviously LinkedIn from there. But there's a huge community of very vocal voices in the accounting community. And they're all different types of accountants from from corporate accountants and private accountants to public accountants, your controllers,
00:27:54
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to especially the small practice owners, to even just ah people who'd market for accountants and help accounting firm owners and tax and bookkeepers build out their practices and expand their marketing operations. So it's a huge demographic that I sort of didn't become, became inducted into.
00:28:10
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And from that point, I, was able to kind of form more collaborations and more relationships and more speaking gigs, which just helped the wrapping CPA ah become a bit of ah of a household name in the accounting community where people, like oh, I think I remember seeing that music video. And that reputation preceded me into a lot of relationships, which is really great for for business networking purposes.
00:28:34
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All of that eventually led to me speaking at the accounting and finance ah show at the Javits Center in 2018. Again, a lot of it was on utilizing, engaging and retaining millennials. That led to me helping ah kind of found a beta project on could there be a potential future to CPE?
00:28:52
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And is there a more creative way that we can deliver content and getting video content going since I was a big video guy was a major component of that. And eventually, because of the music video, the the CEO of Flowcast, he actually had saw that he presented it to the de board of directors and he said, this guy has been in front of more accountants than our marketing team has.
00:29:12
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We need to make content. And that mission was like, OK, you know, go with it and go make it happen. And that's what eventually led me out into L.A. And that really yeah exponentially brew my entertainment side of house because I'd always been a content creator. But being around professional content creators while also still being in a finance, technology and accounting ecosystem, it just that that experience collectively, I feel like I jumped 10 years ahead of where I was previously.
00:29:43
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right. So you go from LIU and then you move to Flowcast. And we'll talk about Flowcast in just a second. But just talking about, again, you know, because I find them so fascinating, so interesting. And, and you know, they're fun to watch, the videos that you produce, the songs you wrote.
00:29:56
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So we know that public accounting anthem, that was the big one. But if someone's listening and they say, oh, well, what else did Drew do? So if you're on YouTube, what are some of the titles of the other songs that you produce that they can find on YouTube?
00:30:09
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Yeah, so there's a couple that we produced more recently. And some of them I wrote a while back, and I finally got the chance to produce them at a professional level at this point. And I always try to make sure that they have specific references to the accounting world and specific technical stuff is I think what makes it cool. It's not it's not vague.
00:30:29
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So the first thing I ever made was actually Call Me Maybe an Accountant, which Call Me Maybe is still my ringtone. It's been my ringtone since 2012. I wrote that while I was an intern. and That was, I guess, technically my first accountant song, ah Call Me Maybe an Accountant. So that was a fun one.
00:30:44
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Then I had, like I said, 1231. ah which is where the petty cash character was sort of introduced. Then I had, um, nasty work paper, which was a reference to a trending song on Tik TOK at the time, or not even ticked out anything. TikTok was out at the time, but it was it was a trending video at the time.
00:31:02
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Uh, obviously the public accounting anthem from that point on, I did a lot of parodies like fraud finder, um, a Busy Season, which was a Wiz Khalifa, no sleep ah No Sleeping, because it's Busy Season parody. And then more recently, i think my two favorites are, have a song called Professional Skeptic, and I use the pseudo Some If as a reference to the band Some 41, because it's a rock song. So I've expanded the genre outside of just rap to just overall music, whatever's fitting.
00:31:34
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And then one of my first personal favorites, which is a a true petty cash original, which is called Ghost Tick Killa. And anybody who's worked in audit understands the concept of ghost ticking, saying that you traced it you know and you didn't check it, saying that you vouched it. You checked and you didn't you said you looked at the invoice, you didn't do it.
00:31:51
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Giving your tick mark and and not actually having done the work is, know, and the ghost tick killer is coming after you and saying, ah you know, I'm going to get you handed in your manila folder, aka your employment. we catch you ghost ticking. And so all of that is now on Spotify.
00:32:04
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ah There's lyric videos that are on YouTube. a lot of that is under ah the studio that I that i did it under, which Flowcast Studios. And yeah, it's an entire album actually called Audit Jams, which is on which is a song of every different genre all about auditing, which is pretty cool.
00:32:21
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Audit champs. All right. That one I didn't. I know that's one of your more recent ones, but the other ones, ah I love them. I love them. They're really entertaining. So if you want to be entertained and you work in into accounting like most of us out there do, definitely some ah good fun stuff out there.
00:32:34
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Now you've referenced then leaving LIU and moving to Flowcast. So now I think you're starting to embrace even more of the creativity. So tell us a bit about what you did at Flowcast and how that you know career just morphed from the technical into the creative.
Blending Creativity with Fintech at Flowcast
00:32:50
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Yeah. So as COVID had started, i was working on an entrepreneurial endeavor called Evolve Now with a colleague of mine who had an accounting practice and really wanted to help revolutionize CPE.
00:33:00
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So that was a good experience to understand what it's like to you know basically build an MVP, ah you know minimum viable product for CPE in more module based containment. So it was micro credits, nano credits and and doing it in a little more entertainment style of viral video YouTube style.
00:33:20
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And that was the same time that Flowcast was trying to create a TV show about accountants called PPC and also build out a learning platform called Flowcademy. And so me having both of these experiences, it was just it was a perfect fit for where they were at the time.
00:33:35
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And We produced three seasons of the show, PBC, which is essentially an office comedy that is a full-scale production. And that gave me so much in-depth understanding of how productions work, how production budgets work, what the cost of actors are. I mean, we have actors like Danny Trejo and Kate Flannery, digital creators like Nicoletti and Christian Pierce. i It was really cool to get to work with these celebrities who are many of them, you know, A-list folks and and they're very involved in the Hollywood scene.
00:34:08
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So having that experience is what kind of got me going in in understanding the entertainment. And then on the other side, I was able to still be in a startup of a fintech space and ah started to be at the forefront of technology that was evolving and that was changing.
00:34:24
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especially now as we moved into AI. So I hosted a podcast, which is why I always appreciate getting to be on a podcast as the guest, because for the longest time, I always had to be the one coming up with all the questions and extracting certain answers and and and asking questions to the different guests who I had on the show. So I ran a podcast called The FinTech Flow, which again, helped me keep up with my CPE, but also stay on top of news and updates in the accounting, finance, and technology sectors and and on the economy.
00:34:53
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And all of that stuff we were developing for CPE eligibility, which was just a kind of cool way to pull all these different experiences together. And it got me working more in a marketing capacity of just understanding how do you create stuff that resonates with an audience? And again, the first thing that ever resonated with an audience was the public accounting anthem because it was references specifically to accounting stuff that they could understand.
00:35:16
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But just learning how to evolve your storytelling, which is something that accounting accountants haven't typically done very well and the accounting profession hasn't really done particularly well is telling the story and the narrative about being an accountant and why it's more than just, oh, that's a guy I dump my files off to once a year and does my taxes. There's so many additional lanes.
00:35:35
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So it really forced my mind to think in a more innovative way beyond just the capacity that I was thinking talking about. And so was able to to further that creative mindset, problem solving, solution oriented thinking, and and again, flex that innovation muscle, which you do have to train on a regular basis to come up with innovative ideas.
00:35:57
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Okay, so now you're you're over a decade into your career and you've really gone the gamut from the technical all the way to the creativity, but you did mention CPE. So I know you are were a CPA. Are you still an active
The Importance of Maintaining CPA Credentials
00:36:09
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CPA? Do you keep the CPE credits going to stay active with your licenses?
00:36:13
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Yeah. So, I mean, the interesting thing is the wrapping CPA doesn't exist if the CPA doesn't exist. So it is very important for me from a personal brand standpoint that I do maintain that CPA licensure.
00:36:24
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And that's what's continued to enable me to have conversations on a deeper level, especially with marketing departments of all these fintech companies that are are popping up now designed to help make lives easier for accounting and finance professionals.
00:36:36
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ah which has just been an underserved industry in general. like Everybody wants to come up with the new sales software and the new project management software, but it's usually a little bit of a lag for people to kind of get into, well, let's let's help the accountants do their job a little bit easier and be more strategic with that.
00:36:52
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And so being able to be recognized as an innovative person in that field, I think has been extremely helpful in just kind of furthering the the career in that lane. And then as far as the CPE goes, it's just it's It's important because the way that we educate the future generation and the existing generation, it's always just seen as a chore.
00:37:15
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So the notion is like, if we could create better content that is more enjoyable, that provides the same value. I mean, a lot of the webinars are very valuable, but you're you're almost so checked out that you're not getting the value out of it. So if we could be better at delivering the information, it gives us an opportunity to provide value at a level that's actually going to be received. and And the value that we're providing is the value being received as opposed to a sort of dissonance between the two.
00:37:43
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Absolutely. Absolutely. So now looking back, you know we started talking about when you were a young boy all the way through high school, through college, through your professional career. If there is another, you know, young man or woman, boy or girl, and they have the same left, right side of the brain brain going like you do, what advice do you give to them? Like, would you have done anything differently or do they need to kind of follow some of the same steps if they want to be both technical and accounting as well as creative that you did? What what advice could you give?
00:38:12
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I think that having an accountant mindset and having an accounting background is one of the things that helps differentiate you as a creative. The people who I've been fortunate enough to be connected to out in Los Angeles, people who i grew up watching on YouTube, always wishing I could be part of their videos, are now people I'm good friends with and I'm close friends with. And I realized very quickly out in l LA that Everybody can hold the camera.
00:38:41
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Everybody can act. Everybody can edit. There's nothing special about being able to just do that one thing. And sure, if you are the best of the best, you're the M&M of rapping, but for any other industry, like it's inevitable that you'll get found and you'll get discovered and that you'll get appreciated.
00:38:59
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But I mean, you you see American Idol. Everybody can sing. ah lot I mean, yeah America's Got Talent. Everybody's super talented. So nothing that you do is really that unique in and of itself.
00:39:09
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But when you take that and you cross it over with something else, that's where you have the opportunity to be brilliant, to be extraordinary, to do something special that's not just what everybody else is doing.
00:39:21
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And so I think having opportunity creative ability in the finance sector or that finance ability in the creative sector either way you slice it that's what's your differentiating factor so if you do happen to be good enough technically at accounting at finance and you understand and you grasp it don't let go of that you hold on to that and and i would even if i could go back i would have gone even harder into that because the creative stuff almost comes naturally to me um And again, a lot of the accounting initially did come very naturally to me, but it's one of those muscles that you need to keep strengthening and you want to keep refining. And the thing about marketing, especially when it comes to accountants, is we respect those who understand where we come from and the struggles that we face and the technical stuff that we need to really know.
00:40:09
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So I would definitely say, you know, pursuing two to two things like that and finding a way to cross them over will only help benefit you in yeah having a more successful career.
00:40:20
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Love it. Yeah, some great advice. Now, let's just talk
Advice for Young Accountants: Blending Skills
00:40:24
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about. the future of accounting for a moment. Like we're living in somewhat of a, you know, turbulent time. We're at crossroads, right? There's a whole debate on, hey, you need 150 credit hours ah in order to get your CPA license. But now people are saying, you know what?
00:40:39
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Why is it 150? Why can't it be 120? Why can't it be a bachelor degree? Why does it need to be 150? So, you know, as someone that's had to go through the whole route with 150 credit hours,
00:40:50
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Do you think that we should allow alternate pathways and allow the 120? Do you think that we should stick to hard and fast to the 150? What's your perspective on this whole debate? I think it's important that we don't make it easier to get the CPA license because I do think that there is a prestige that is important for the brand of the CPA license in and of itself. And and as a CPA, I think Branding is so important as a CPA marketer, I would say, especially like brand is so important and that's every profession and other professions have gone to done a really good job of creating this sense of like empowerment and prestige behind their brands. Or there's a certain attitude and and connotation behind the brand.
00:41:33
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I think we have an opportunity to do a lot of storytelling to shift what it means to be a CPA and how that is branded and how it is viewed. So I don't think we should make it easier because I know there is a sense of, oh, you know, we should just make it easier to get the license so we have more.
00:41:45
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No, it shouldn't be. a You move that you don't move the bar so that more people can do it. However, from an experience standpoint and education standpoint, I completely endorse having multiple ways to get there because the same way that you could do self-study, you could do ah you could do in person, you could do self-study or you can do live, you know, synchronized you know sessions.
00:42:05
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you would do what works for you. If you need to be able to focus on it, but you don't have the ability to get to the place, then you log into the live you know CPA review area. If you really feel like it's better in person, you can't do it if you're distracted by your house, then you go to the live event.
00:42:20
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If you feel like you have complete control and and you have discipline and you're and you're motivated and you can just self-study at your own flexible schedule, then you do what works for you. And I think it's the same way with getting the hours.
00:42:32
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you If getting the 150 hours through taking whatever courses you need to is the way that you want to do it, then you go for it. I chose to do it through getting an MBA because I wanted to get another degree out of that process and I focused it on marketing. So again, I could further have this diverse array of skill sets.
00:42:48
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I think the most valuable though actually is the experience lane because that's what will make you a more comfortable accountant by the time you get to that point. So you're almost being forced to go through those A1 and A2 years and actually go through learning the technical stuff, not feeling like where you're checked out being like, oh, well, you know, um I might get a different job anyway. So how much am I going to pay attention? it's like, no, you're in it for for two years.
00:43:12
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So you might as well get good at your job. And suddenly, I think you might see more people stick with accounting because they get comfortable enough because they've gone in and spent two years really in the weeds and understanding the basics of it.
00:43:25
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And once you understand the basics of it, that's what opens your mind later on in your career to be innovative. That's where confirmation.com, I think, gets created because it's somebody who is in the weeds doing a bunch of manual confirmations for so long.
00:43:38
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And they realize there's got to be a better way. We have emails. Why can't we just email? well What if we create a ah verified portal so that we can do confirmation? And then that's how you have this really cool innovation that gets born out of that.
00:43:50
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So i'm I'm a big advocate for having alternative pathways. I think I still would have got my MBA if I could go back, but I would have also definitely wanted to focus on getting the hours as well as a supplement.
00:44:03
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and And one of the things looking back at my career that I wish I had done is focus and pay attention a lot more and not get distracted by all the different career avenues that were out there, but really hone in, especially during those first two years of just learning as much as I can to get really technically sound because when you're comfortable with what you're doing, because you know the stuff in and out, it makes the job a lot less stressful.
00:44:25
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And then you can work on more creative and problem solving endeavors as like a, as a senior and as a manager, as opposed to getting stressed out by like just getting the job done.
00:44:37
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Yeah, I think that's a great perspective. and And I totally agree with you. You know, we all know we want to grow the accounting pipeline. And if this alternate pathway is a viable route where you don't make it too simple because you still have to pass the CPA exam, but you just want to give them right less credit hours, more work experience.
00:44:53
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Hey, then it should be something that should help the profession. So ah you and I, we're definitely on the same page. Now, last time, real deep question I want to ask you. And I think this one's really important.
00:45:05
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If you know you had to talk to somebody that's younger right now, maybe junior, senior in high school, or just freshmen in college, and they're debating, do I want to go into accounting? Maybe they're straddling the finance ah major line as opposed to accounting.
00:45:18
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What advice would you give? Is it worth going into accounting today? Is there value there? What what advice would you give a young person? Yeah, I would say i think core accounting is going to become more of a lost art. it's It's how many people actually know how to make shoes nowadays, right? There used to be shoemakers who would who would make shoes, right? And so there's an art to it.
00:45:39
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But understanding the principles and the basics is what enables you to get really innovative with the new technology to come up with the most creative designs, to understand the ins and outs of how the sole needs to be and and and how the shape of the laces should be and the tongue and all of that of the shoes. And if you Take that same analogy and you apply it to accounting All of the technology that's being developed specifically focused on finance and accounting professionals offers a huge opportunity for us as a CPA profession to rebrand what it means to be an accountant.
00:46:08
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And I genuinely think that the work that accountants will do is not going to be accounting as it's defined today, and especially as it's been defined over the last 20 years. And I think the pivot is happening now.
00:46:20
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There are a lot of voices talking about how do we become system operators? How do we use this financial technology that's being created and being built and apply it to the accounting work that we have to do. I mean, we could we could face the reality is that you know you're not going to be having to manually put in these journal entries anymore. And that's just That's the truth.
00:46:42
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So if somebody's like, oh, well it's just a pain to have to do all this manual input, you're really not going to be having to do all that manual input. You're going to be working on more challenging, more strategic and more interesting, in my opinion, more interesting work.
00:46:54
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So the work itself is going to change. It is going to shift. Having that fundamental basis is what's going to allow you to be one of the people that gets to be a systems operator, that gets to manage the data sets for for finance. And I think we have a world where eventually finance and accounting almost merge together.
00:47:11
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And if you put an accountant up to get against a finance person, I'm going with the i'm going with the CPA ah over the over the finance professional because I just know that they can grind it out and they took the harder route, in my opinion, to really understand the beyond just yeah the the equations or the formulas, but the numbers that are that are going into those formulas and into those equations.
00:47:34
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So i would love to see, I think it'd be cool. You know, it's it's sort of the the accountants galvanizing and taking some of the finance jobs because as a lot of the core accounting duties get automated and technology helps assist accountants in doing those things and save them a bunch of time, there's an opportunity to sort of, okay, well, here's us actually, you know, develop creating the numbers, right? And now here's us using the numbers. And so that's the change in skillset. So I say, you know, now's a great opportunity, especially as there's less people in it. So you have less competition. You can very easily and quickly rise to the top. And ah my hope's in five to 10 years, you have all this technology that really enables you to be super empowered. So those who choose to go in now, by the time they get to that point,
00:48:15
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yeah are going to be superstar. Yeah, I mean, that makes a lot of sense. And I agree with everything you said. and And just practically speaking, you know we know in these economic downturns that we've seen over the course of a few months and so forth that the accountants aren't losing their jobs, right? The finance people are losing their jobs, unfortunately. So there's always that job security that goes hand in hand with the accounting as well. So yeah, to me, just like you said, I think it's just a tremendous path forward for a lot of these young people.
00:48:42
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and and And let's talk about path forward. So I know you've left Flowcast. So what's going on with Drew Carrick now?
Future Plans: Innovating and Uplifting the Profession
00:48:49
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And what do we expect in Drew Carrick's future? Can you shine any light to what your plans are?
00:48:55
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Yeah, I mean, it's been really cool gaining all of the different experiences that I had in so many different areas, from from very traditional public accounting to budgets and finance, so understanding that side of the house, to working in marketing and in startups and in fintech, in education.
00:49:12
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And even personally, i i team up with a few finding accounting professionals who own their own bookkeeping practices or tax practices. I refer a lot of clients and and friends to those folks. And I actually get to do some audits ah essentially, where which is another reason I keep the CPE going is to maintain the license so I can sign off on some of those types of engagements that do require CPA signature.
00:49:34
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So I try to stay in touch with all the different lanes and all the different avenues of accounting. And I've been overwhelmed with the number of people who have reached out over the course of the year as we're in this pivotal moment, I feel like As the AICPA is looking at the accounting brand, as every state society and sub chapter is looking at the future of the brand, there's this real big focus on the pipeline, the evolution of CPE.
00:50:00
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I feel very just well positioned to be a little bit of that central hub to pull on all these different experiences. And so what I've been doing lately is just a lot of freelance consulting with a lot of these fintech companies, a lot of these organizations doing some speaking gigs.
00:50:13
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um I think awareness is is such an important play. And everybody talks, I think, very high level about awareness and it's just somebody shouting. But we don't have a lot of people in the accounting profession shouting the things that other accounting professionals need to hear. You have some people who are just talking about, oh, you know here's ah here's a system you can use. Here's a system you can use.
00:50:33
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um Some people are very on the thought leadership side saying, oh, we need to fix the pipeline. I'm kind of trying to hit a little bit of it all so that people have somewhere that they can turn to to just hear what the buzz is and hear what's going on and what they need to be thinking about and how it might impact them. and it And it might not impact you today, but it might impact you in six months or it might impact you in two years, or maybe it might be now. So I'm getting involved with ah several different fintech startups to help them with their marketing to accountants because they're creating products that I feel are valuable to accountants.
00:51:04
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to do a lot of that work that I was talking about, the accounting traditional stuff over the last 10 years that gets automated, which will then enable and empower accountants to do the future of what it means, which as you define, I'm i'm an accountant, I do accounting.
00:51:19
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What accounting actually is, which will be different, these softwares, these programs, these tech companies are working to enable that us to have a conversation that focuses on what that accounting work actually is now that the traditional accounting work as it's been in the past is being yeah you know helped out, assisted, and automated through technology.
00:51:38
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So yeah, it's it's speaking, it's writing, doing a lot of publishing. I'm i'm working on a book that I'm writing i'm with a few fintech companies um and whether that's disrupting you know small small, and mid-sized business bookkeeping, helping CPA practice owners just be more efficient with bookkeeping for their clients and and managing their practices, or on the enterprise level, helping ah firms close the books more efficiently or manage corporate expenses more efficiently.
00:52:06
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a little bit a little bit of all of it. And it's been ah really fun ride getting to interact with so many different people and not be stuck with yeah Sometimes I felt like if if I'm only with one entity, then I don't have the ability to help out the entire industry as a whole. And I think right now I really want to focus on doing what I can for the industry as a whole, as a collective to just uplift the brand of the accounting profession. And my goal would be maybe I could help create that first new stereotype of what it means to be an accountant.
00:52:39
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Well, listen, I've had a lot of conversations with you and you are just an extremely intelligent person and watching all of these um videos and this creative aspect of you, i just know you're going to do a lot of great things. And we're all watching closely and you know wishing you success. And we know that you will continue to move that same direction forward. and You know, we're we're happy to have you on the Becker team right now as well to help us out with some things.
00:53:06
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So I think that that's going to be a very bright future for Drew Carrick and for our audience as well. And even me personally, I have to say, as I was watching your videos, you really inspired me. I thought, you know what?
00:53:19
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If Drew could do it, why can't I make my own Becker rap video so good? I'm going to play. Yeah, yeah. i got I got just a short little excerpt of my video. Let's take a minute, watch this, and then you give me your opinion on what you think.
00:53:33
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All right, Drew, was that awesome? I'm thinking Super Bowl halftime show for that. What do you think? Yeah, I act. Oh, there's I'm getting know I'm getting a call. I mean, I think I'll you know, we'll we'll get we'll wrap that up. I, you know, I can coordinate with some people. and We'll get some people to call your people. What what what are you trying to say here, Drew? What are you know to say here?
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You know, there there's there's. There's something for everybody out there, I think. um I think there's there's niches. You know, I know niches very well. So there's audiences. All right, I'm little rapid CPA. I get it, Drew. I get it. All right, listen, my friend, thank you so much for being here. You are awesome. And I really appreciate the time and all that information you shared. And I really can't wait till the next time our paths cross and we get to talk some more.
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Absolutely, Mike. Always a pleasure talking to you and appreciate it and the Becker team for helping put this together. All right, thanks, my friend. You're the best. Definitely appreciate it.
Earning CPE Credits Through Podcast Engagement
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Hey everyone, I just wanted to thank you for listening to this podcast with Drew Carrick and thanks to Drew for joining me.
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But I wanna make sure everyone is aware, you can earn CPE credit just for listening to this podcast. All you need to do, visit the link in the show notes and you get your credit. And if you're a Prime CPE subscriber, guess what?
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You could get the CPE credits at no extra cost. All you need to do is just log in to finalize your credits. And that's it. So it was great seeing everyone again. And I hope to see you in a future Becker Accounting podcast.