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Stay Sparked #20 - "To Burn Or Not To Burn?"
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On this episode we talk about the decision to go (or not go) to Burning Man! Black Rock City has played a huge role in all three of our lives. Why would we go? Why wouldn't we? What role does community play on and off the Playa? And how does climate change affect our decision to make the yearly pilgrimage?
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WIRED article discussed
HOSTS
BETSY FINKLEHOO is a healer of massage therapy, CranioSacral and Dharma Coaching. She is an 8 year burner and has spent the last several years seeped in the personal development world, cultivating her passion for transformation and growth. Her recent project, The Power Affirmation Journal and virtual group empowers women to cultivate self awareness and healthy habits so they can live in greater freedom, mind body and spirit.
http://poweraffirmation.com/
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HALCYON is full-time Love Ambassador. He is the founder of Hug Nation YouTube channel and daily zoom gratitude circles. He is co-founder of the Pink Heart Burning Man camp and the 1st Saturdays project for people experiencing homelessness. In his free time he coaches individuals on how to live joyfully and authentically. His other podcast is "Hard on the 80's."
http://JohnStyn.com
JANUS REDMOON is a 10-time Burner, and has spent the last several years as an advocate for psychedelic medicine research and treatment. He is the founder and CEO of NuWorld Nutritionals, a nutritional supplement company providing mushroom-based, all-natural products to improve and maintain health for both body and mind. (Use code "SPARKED" for 10% off)
http://www.nuworldnutritionals.com
MASSIVE Thank you to Dub Sutra for their beautiful opening music. Check out their incredible music catalogue online.
https://dubsutra.com
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Transcript
Introduction to Stay Sparked and the Hosts
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Welcome to Stay Sparked.
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On this show, we explore how to stay inspired in the modern world through the most profound lessons from Burning Man, relationships, entrepreneurship, psychedelics, spirituality, travel, and more.
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On today's episode, we discuss to burn or not to burn.
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You know, what do we get from our repeated visits to Burning Man?
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Should we go for the first time?
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And what is there to be gained from the experience?
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We also talk about the ways in which that we bring Burning Man into our day-to-day lives and how can we bring the principles from what we've learned from going many years into our life experience.
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We talked about how community can be found not just in Black Rock City, but in regionals and in the way that we connect in digital places and all over the world.
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Enjoy the episode.
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Welcome to Stay Sparked.
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We are three friends here to share conversations aimed to inspire and light you up.
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Thank you so much for listening.
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If you've been enjoying the conversations, we'd appreciate you leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and tell your friends, help us share the sparks.
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I am Halcyon.
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I'm Betsy.
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And I am Yannous.
Gratitude for Nature and Its Role in Life
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I am the host of the Hug Nation podcast and the creator of the Love More Fear Less t-shirt shop.
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And I am a holistic healing arts practitioner in Southern California and also the founder of the Power Affirmation Project, teaching life skills for sustainable happiness.
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And I am the founder and CEO of New World Nutritionals, a nutritional supplement company with mushroom-based products designed to improve your state of mind.
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Right on.
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And we like to start our conversations with a little gratitude share, so I'd like to start.
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Today, I'm feeling so grateful for the ocean.
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I had a friend come into town and he sat me down and goes, let's get you a wetsuit and get in the ocean.
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And I was like, yes, yes.
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So I confronted a lot of old fears I had about being the old man, going to the surf shop and dealing with the cool young kids.
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And
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got just to really step into my inner kook and get in the water and splash around on a boogie board around all the cool surfers.
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But it was so awesome to be pounded by the waves and feel the cold, crisp water and feel the power of the ocean.
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So I'm just feeling so grateful to be so close to the ocean and still have a body strong enough to swim in it and to just be humbled by the Pacific, for sure.
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I can feel the negative ions and the salty air just from your description.
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So beautiful.
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I love to piggyback off that gratitude because I am actually in my home away from home in Asheville, North Carolina, and I'll share my gratitude is for the forest.
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I love the dense forest here, the moss and this time of year where there is
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this newness, all the leaves are coming on the trees after a long winter, and there's all kinds of flowers blooming.
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And there is this also this beautiful quality of air because the trees are so plentiful, that it's just so easy to breathe.
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And I've already gone on like three or four hikes in just a few days of being here.
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And I just am so grateful for the forest.
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Nice.
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Nice.
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So I guess I'm going to round off the gratitude with us, you know, sticking with the nature theme.
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I am grateful for the continuing rain that is continues to fall upon Southern California.
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We're really used to a lot of sunshine down here, and I found myself getting kind of caught up in because we'll get a couple of days of sunshine and that the rain will come and it's overcast again.
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And I kind of woke up this morning just like, oh, God, it's raining again.
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And but we really need it.
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And it's really if I mean, frankly, if it could rain every day down here for a year, that would be actually fantastic just for the environment, for the air and everything else.
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So
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So I found myself being like, no, wait, we, this is good.
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We need this rain.
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We need it.
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Even if it's just a drizzle, that's fine.
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So I found myself being like, all right, no gratitude for the rain.
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So here I am being grateful for the, uh, the water coming down yet again.
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So, uh, so yeah, thanks for the rain.
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Thanks for the rain, mother nature.
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Yes, and nature, gratitude all around.
Debating Attendance at Burning Man
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Well, today we want to talk about a different natural environment, one devoid of any moisture.
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Our topic today is to burn or not to burn.
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Burning Man is a event that has been significant to the three of us.
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We've all had experiences of inspiration and growth.
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It's something we talk about quite a bit on this podcast and relating to all different topics.
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And
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For the first time this year, when people asked me, are you going to Burning Man?
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My answer was not a instinctive, of course.
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For the first time in 24 years, I've like said, I don't know yet.
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And so we want to talk a little bit about, you know, why do we go?
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why would one go and maybe why not?
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Why wouldn't we go?
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And I think that there's, for me, it's been a really deep process of introspection about what's important to me.
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You know, aspects of the importance of seeking community and tribe and facing discomfort or listening to intuition.
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And there's just a lot.
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So we're going to get into that.
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But I'm curious to start us off.
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Betsy, can you maybe share like what it was that initially drew you to Burning Man?
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Sure.
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Yes.
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I love this conversation too, because I'll just start off by sharing.
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I've been eight times to Burning Man over the span of about 14 years.
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And the first year I went was 2007.
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And the real catalyst and spark was I went to a festival called Coachella, which is more of a mainstream music festival.
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It was the first time I had ever experienced large scale art and multiple stages and just, you know, the wild nature of the people at the festival.
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And then throughout that following year, I had the privilege of getting to go to probably four mini transformational festivals in Southern California.
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I had just moved to
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Southern California.
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And I had learned about Burning Man and I kind of almost got a training before I got to go.
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I had heard about it.
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I met a bunch of people that had gone.
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I learned what the word burner meant by meeting all these burners, people that had gone or people of the playa.
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And I was really privileged also to get taken there by a veteran.
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And so my partner Kiwi at the time, he was my guide and just helped me so much to get there and really inspired my first three years.
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And that was really such a gift to be able to
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be introduced to the culture, the environment, just the whole ethos and everything through somebody who had been.
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I think he had been probably six or seven times already before I had gone.
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And so that really helped me to acclimate and find my way on this, one of the world's largest playgrounds.
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And then since then I have gotten to go to
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over many years.
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And I've been in the question every year, am I going to go?
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Am I not going to go?
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Obviously, over the span of those 14 years, I have taken some breaks.
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Most recently, I actually had seven years off.
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I went in 2015.
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And then I took seven years off.
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And then last year was my return.
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And so yeah, I think there's, there's a lot to be said about being in that question, which I'm excited to unpack with you guys.
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We'll just share that.
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Nice.
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Before we continue, I just want to just a little Coachella fact.
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At the first Coachella, I'd already been to Burning Man several times, but the first Coachella I was in a photo of me was in Vice magazine under fashion don'ts.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you very much.
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I saw that.
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I was dressed like a burner.
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I had a sparkly hat.
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I was, I was sparkly shoes.
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I was, I mean, I'm still proud of how I looked, but that's my Coachella memory.
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You looked fine.
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You look fine.
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You were ahead of your time.
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That's why Burning Man is your festival.
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Exactly.
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All right.
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So you haven't been for a while.
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Yeah, my first year was 2002.
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And I was working with a woman who was a burner and she was hyping it up and was like, oh, you have to come with us.
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You have to come with us.
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So
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So I did.
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And yeah, I had my had my mind appropriately blown.
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And I was like, this is what I'm doing now.
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You know, that for that first year, like you always like you're a day or two into and you're like, already thinking about what you're going to do the following year.
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That's kind of the effect it has on it.
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So I knew before the first one was even over that I was going again, and, and again, and again.
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So I went eight years in a row, took a year off, because I just kind of felt like I was learning I was going to do for a year off.
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And honestly, it kind of felt like it was
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I was getting diminishing returns from it, even though I wasn't, you know, I was definitely, you know, not going.
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I was a strong participant, like making camps and be involved with the DPW and doing all sorts of things there.
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So definitely was not spectating, but still was getting felt like I was getting diminishing returns.
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So I took a year off.
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went the two more years in 2011 and 12.
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And there was definitely a shift in the energy of the place.
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It started getting more popular and, you know, everything must change.
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And so, but it was definitely a lot, a lot more people.
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There was a jump in population in that since the year I took off between 2009 and 2011.
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And so it was a different, it was a different animal.
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And so my 2011, I was like, I'm not sure it was how this, how I feel about this.
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Maybe it's just me.
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Let me go back in 2012.
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And then I went back in 2012 and was immediately struck like, no, it's it.
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Well, it is me.
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I feel I'm feeling pretty complete.
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with it and so that 2012 was my last year and so i haven't been for like 10 years had i'm you know never say never so i've uh there's been a couple times since then that was like this might be the year i go back and then when it comes time to like you know the you know when the rubber hits the road so to speak it's like all right it's time to start prepping and packing and all that other stuff i just can't bring myself to do it just haven't been able to bring myself to do it so i haven't gone um
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So, yeah, it feels, you know, again, never say never.
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It definitely feels like one of those things I got what I was I got what I was meant to get from it.
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And I have moved on and I'm feeling very OK and comfortable with that.
Integrating Burning Man's Teachings
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I really just admire and respect that you have that about, you've mentioned that in a number of things on this podcast and your relationship with certain plant medicines and just like, you know, you got, you picked up the phone, you know, and you put down the phone once you got the message.
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And I think that's admirable.
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So I appreciate that.
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You know, I wanted to, to, to, one of the reasons why this, this question of to go or not to go is stronger for me this year is because of how difficult last year was.
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Last year, the weather was extreme.
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I mean, Burning Man is always an extreme experience in terms of the environment.
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It's on a dry lake bed with an alkaline dust that gets in everything.
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But the heat
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Last year was as bad as it's been in the 24 years that I've been going.
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And even worse because it was relentless and it didn't cool off at night.
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So there was never a time that my body regulated and got back to, you know, there was a single moment in the entire 10 days I was there that I put on a windbreaker at sunrise on a bike ride.
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It's like, oh, I have a little chill as I'm riding.
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Other than that, I wanted to be cooler the entire time.
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And it was grueling.
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there was also and then i also got really sick uh probably a combination of heat exhaustion and covid and uh so all of these things made me have a a really traumatic experience also made worse by the awareness that
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holy crap, global climate change has finally knocked on my back door.
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You know, this event that I've enjoyed and has been the core of my life may now be at a temperature that I cannot endure.
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And so that was a really difficult thing to think about.
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As I'm thinking about going this year, I'm struggling with it of can I
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find a way to survive this temperature and still get all the things that I get from it.
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And it's something that, you know, like I think that my first years, there was rarely, I don't think I knew anybody that had a motor home or an RV.
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Over the years, more and more friends have had access to air conditioning.
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And now it feels like you kind of have to have somebody that you know that has air conditioning.
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You need to have somebody that if you get overheated, you can go cool down, which is really, it kind of hurts my spirit to witness, okay, this is what we've been worried about.
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This is now a change in lifestyle that, I mean, I knew it would happen to the people that live in Florida.
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Ha, ha, ha, the coast is gonna erode on them, but my Burning Man, my Burning Man, you've taken my sacred Burning Man from me.
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And then I also don't know, is that just, is that, is, am I finally getting too soft?
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And is, am I not ready for the discomfort?
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Anyway, I'm, there is this extra feeling of, is it worth it?
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Because it clearly is one of the coolest things that's happening on the planet.
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And there's always been a challenge to get there.
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All the preparation, as you said, Yanush, you're like, okay, now the idea of going is great until you start
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packing your bins and stuff.
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You're like, Oh, right.
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Um, so I'm curious when you decided not to go Betsy, you know, what were the things that helped you decide that you weren't, it wasn't time for you?
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Yeah.
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Hmm.
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Well, I feel like burning man is really a transformational event.
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As we all know, we've talked about it many times on this podcast and many of you that have gone out there or have heard of it.
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It is an environment that promotes deep transformation and just innovation.
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really profound levels of self-exploration and building resiliency and, you know, facing all kinds of opportunities to express oneself.
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And for me, I felt like it was really important to take breaks for the integration of the transformation to start to implement it into my life.
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And then also to be able to explore other aspects of transformation.
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traveling being one of them.
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I feel also as you're speaking, I was kind of getting this sort of visualization or just remembering around when we're making art, there is the potential to just keep going.
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Like so for a painting, how do you know when to stop?
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Right?
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You just keep adding layers.
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You keep adding layers.
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You keep going, keep going, keep going.
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And there is something really powerful about knowing when that stopping point is.
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Like Yannis, you were speaking to like, okay, I got it.
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I'm good.
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I think this is, I received exactly what I need to receive from this experience and I'm good.
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I'm going to focus my attention other places.
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And so, yeah, for me, the last time I had gone in 2015, after I left, it was like, okay, I feel good.
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I feel just really happy about my experience.
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I am happy to let it go for now.
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I don't need to put forth all that effort.
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And I think that actually looking back was a big part of it too, knowing that
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when I was going regularly, it takes up the mental capacity for the whole summer, if not longer around planning and saving and preparing and communications with the camp mates.
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And just, it's a lot of energy before you even get there.
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And I was ready to have my summers free of that, that just mental energy and preparations.
Environmental and Cultural Impact of Burning Man
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And so year after year, I kept checking in.
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Do I want to go?
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No, I'm good.
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I'm good.
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I really feel happy about not having to do all that packing and planning and everything that goes into it.
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And then last year when I was invited to go, I really got a chance to think about it and tune in.
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And is this where I want to be spending my energy?
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And am I ready for another layer of transformation?
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And it was a yes.
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Yes.
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And so I was able to come at it from a different place.
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I actually really realized last year how Burning Man has provided a space for me to evolve in the way that I'm human and that I do life.
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You know, my younger self was very disorganized and just only, you know, focusing on making costumes and bringing little sparkly treats to give to people.
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And this version of myself, you know, almost 15 years later,
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knows how to pack and organize and be efficient and bring wellness based products and things that keep me feeling really good.
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Whereas I, I didn't know how to do that back then.
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And it really showed me how far I've come.
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And so, yeah, now, and now I get to get to see how I can implement those practices into my regular life.
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And now here we are beginning of spring.
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This is always a good time to question.
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Burning Man's right around the corner.
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And a few months from now, this is when you kind of start to make that decision, at least veteran burners.
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I mean, you could always like decide two weeks before, which a lot of people do.
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I've done that before too, which makes it a whole other level of initiation and challenge.
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But yeah, now is the time.
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And I'm really also in that same space of,
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inquiry around the heat and the conditions and also the consideration around the, the fuel and the consumption and the energy that we are putting out to have this week long experience.
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You know, I've done that plenty of times and it's like, wow, do I really want to be contributing to that footprint that we're making?
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And that does weigh a bit heavy on me, especially what you're speaking to around like week
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kind of have to have AC, you have to have an RV or some kind of way to be able to stay cool, you know?
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So that's, yeah, that's where I'm at right now.
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So why are you?
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Yeah, it's yeah, this you sent us this this article Halcyon from from Wired magazine that talks about, you know, climate change and as how it relates to Burning Man, you know, historically and such.
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And yeah, like you said, it's it's come knocking, knocking on the door of this event.
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And it's a it's a strong consideration.
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An interesting factoid of that article was that Reno, the city of Reno, is one of the fastest warming cities in the country.
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It is the fastest warming cities.
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in the country and one of the fastest forming cities in the world um and the black rock city where the where burning man happens is three short hours away from uh from reno in a hotter part um of that of the of the state of nevada and it's a real consideration it is going to
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I think it's going to keep the heat you felt last year that everybody felt last year.
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That is going to be a standard, I believe, moving forward.
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If not, if not harder, if not hotter.
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And my second year, I was in a two person tent.
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And for the for the week, I cannot imagine doing that again on any kind of level.
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Just the fact that just the fact that you would need that you now you now actually need.
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AC, you would need something like that.
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Brings into question the idea of, yeah, just because we can do a thing doesn't mean that we should do a thing.
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So that's a question regarding the event itself and our participation in it.
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And there's something to be said for
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know there's there's no such thing i forget exactly how this goes but there's like no there's no such thing as like conscious consumption and or conscious consumerism in during late stage capitalism like you are you are going to be contributing to the downfall of civilization by by in some means your use of a smartphone your use of a of a of a gasoline burning car um even electric cars like there are
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pollution are there are polluting this planet on different ways maybe not directly via exhaust but through the production of it so you get so it's like a pick your poison kind of thing so i don't necessarily feel compelled to
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to denigrate participation in Burning Man based on how it affects the environment.
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You're going to be doing something.
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I mean, and I don't, I don't begrudge those who do.
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There's some people that we all know that are like, I could never participate in Burning Man just because it wasn't what it does to the environment.
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That's fine.
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I get that.
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Personally, that's not my, that's not where I'm coming from on that.
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If somebody doesn't want to do it, that's fine.
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If that's your reason for it, that's fine.
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It's not particularly my reason for it.
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because, and you and I have had this discussion before, Halcyon, about
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Is it worth it?
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It's like, yes, I got to drive a polluting vehicle to get there or I'm flying planes, whatever.
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I'm contributing to the downfall of civilization.
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But is my personal evolution worth it for that?
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And you can make a case that, yeah, yeah, it is.
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My participation in Burning Man is the single most transformative experience.
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profoundly transformative experience I've ever had in my life.
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It absolutely shifted the direction I was going.
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That's how I discovered plant medicines.
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That's how I discovered my best friends and my community and new relationship models that I'd never considered.
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Everything about my worldview has been shifted due to my participation in that.
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That's worth something.
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And it's made me a better human.
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It's made me a better global citizen.
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It's made me a better friend.
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Maybe a better, you know, man, a better human being.
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So I have nothing but praise for it.
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I cherish my time with it for sure.
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But as you say, and as Alan Watson said, you know, it's.
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It's important to, you know, when you get the message, hang up the phone.
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And there's a difference between desire and habit.
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And we do a lot of things because we always have done them because we've been doing them for years.
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So I think that's the kind of the question that you're in and not to be too presumptive, Hal Sam, but it's like, well, yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm going, I always go.
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It's like, well, okay, but you know, is, is that, is that, where's that desire coming from?
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Is it, is it, is it now just a habit?
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um you know you know how we how we present ourselves like we talked about this before with like identity and what we do is like why why do we do the things we do and it's important to examine um where that uh impulse is coming from desire or habit it's a good question yeah i really uh man i the the
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I struggle up until, you know, I still struggle to define myself or explain myself without using Burning Man as part of the description.
00:24:28
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You know, like my professional work, my spirituality, my community, my philosophies, I mean, all of those things
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If you give me three or four sentences, Burning Man is going to be mentioned.
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So the idea of not having Burning Man a part of my yearly ritual routine is a big one for me.
00:24:50
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You mentioned, you know, what comes up a lot is have I gotten everything I could out of it?
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And I often will, in the past, it has really irked me that even that concept, because
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The idea of what can I get from it?
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I think there's this process where you initially you get your mind blown and you get stuff.
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And then if you value the experience itself, you figure out how can I be of service to this event?
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You know, how can I gift?
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How can I bring a theme camp, bring art?
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How can I maybe get much less out of it?
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You know, the people who are building big art and big camps are not
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riding their bikes around all day, getting their mind blown, they're working.
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And often I consider myself to be working while I'm there.
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One of the reasons I love going to a party at the hotel in Reno afterwards is because that's when I finally, my obligations are done.
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It's best job in the world.
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But as you both mentioned, you know,
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this energy, this inspiration is not limited to Burning Man.
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And you can take all of this lessons, all of this transformation that we've gone through, and perhaps the true gift of Burning Man is not reinvesting it into Burning Man, but then taking it into the world.
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and creating ripples that go way beyond the finite number of people that can attend.
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And that's one of the things too, is it is limited by its capacity.
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Every year it sells out in seconds.
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So choosing to go means somebody can't.
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And so if you are deciding to go, it really needs to be of service to the mission of Burning Man, which is spreading these ideals in this community and this energy into the world.
00:26:36
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And that doesn't mean you go, I guess.
00:26:38
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Being a true burner can mean making the decision to pass on your space and be a 10 principle following person in the default world.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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And you know what?
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There's so many other opportunities these days to be able to experience a Burning Man culture and festivals.
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There's so many regional burns.
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You know, here where I am right now in North Carolina, there's a lot of people here that consider themselves as burners that have never gone to Black Rock City.
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because they have been to multiple regional burns.
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They are living the 10 principles of what Burning Man teaches.
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And there's so many beautiful opportunities to be able to experience that lifestyle in the forest or on the beach.
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And granted, of course, there is nothing like the playa experience anywhere.
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It brings all kinds of other challenges and initiations and things that
00:27:43
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You can't get anywhere else, but it really does provide that sense of community and self-expression and radical self-reliance and all of these things that really help us to become better humans, as you were saying, Janus.
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And so I feel like if we decide not to go, there's still other opportunities to experience the Burning Man lifestyle.
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And not even just regional festivals, but what I've been seeing over the last decade
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is more and more gatherings and more and more communities that are expanding that provide this whole other way of living.
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So I'll give an example is that I have a friend who she was looking for her community.
00:28:30
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She didn't have any friends, hardly.
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She had just moved to a new place.
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She was trying to figure out like, where are my people?
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And she was trying to meet people at bars and trying to meet people, you know, online.
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And it just, nothing was really working.
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And then she happened to find a Burning Man style event.
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It was like a fundraiser or something.
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And she was like, here's my people.
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These people are like, you know, really doing good things and gathering to raise money and to promote expression and creativity and color and vibrancy and all of these things.
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And it's a beautiful thing, right?
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To be able to connect these pods of burner communities globally.
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It's way beyond the playa, which is really incredible.
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It's like Burning Man has had babies and they're spread out all over the world.
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I would even say that those regionals are more Burning Man than Black Rock City.
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You know, the 10 principles have been really pushed to their limits and tweaked by the
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the popularity of Black Rock City and the money that's gone into it and the plug and play camps.
00:29:45
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And I mean, the early days of Burning Man, you could walk out on the open playa and you could see some crazy sculpture made out of old car parts and lumber and you go, oh my God, I could do that.
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I'm an artist, I could do that.
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You look out on the playa now, the big art is in the realm of billionaire playgrounds and professional engineers.
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And it is, it is, it's incredible.
00:30:11
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It is fucking incredible, but it is not the same thing as a duocracy, radically inclusive,
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creative expression kind of feeling both great, but that experience of the beautiful experience of the core 10 principles of there is no stage.
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There is no audience in stage.
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We're all on the stage.
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We are all the creators here.
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That is that is slipping a little bit in Black Rock City right now.
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not destroyed, it's still the magic and the beauty is there, but at a regional event, I think you really sink into that feeling of everyone there is responsible for this collective expression of community.
00:30:50
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And I think it's, you're right on that burners no longer means going to Black Rock City.
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I would even say that burners doesn't even mean going to events.
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As you said, like there's all different ways.
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The people that gather in my daily gratitude circles,
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many of them were drawn there because it was a burning man listed event and so they were drawn to the 10 principles never having been to any sort of experience like that but wanting to be more connected to those ideals and i think that is a really comforting thing um because what we're really craving and when some of the big transformational things that we experience is community is just being supported
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That point is, that point is, is well taken that, you know, it's at a certain, at a certain point, the move is like a lot of people we would go to after a few years, like we would go to the playa to kind of get our batteries like reduced, like,
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I was able to, you know, take, take that, take those downloads and take that, um, you know, just, just take that juice from the play and just, it would carry me through the, through the rest of the year.
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Uh, and then right when it came time, you know, Burning Man came back around and it was like, all right, I kind of feeling like I could use a little charge, recharge from the play and the play would give that to me.
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And then after a while, you know, you kind of feel like, all right, I can keep myself juiced, um, at
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this point.
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And, um,
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It's what a lot of people take from the, from the Burning Man experience is, okay, I can, I can, I can take this mojo and I can go to like these, these transformational festivals that happen around the world.
00:32:44
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You know, we'll go to, I think a lot of us got inspired from Burning Man to go to festivals in Costa Rica or Bali or, you know, Europe, South America, what have you.
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Um,
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And then we would do this, you know, you know, women's retreat in Bali or a medicine retreat in, you know, Peru or what have you.
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And I think the real move is like what these regionals are doing.
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You know, the real move is to have this women's retreat in Arkansas.
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You know, it doesn't have to be this this thing that we have to get on a plane and go to.
00:33:18
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There's a there's a there's a bit of a.
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you know, everyone, whenever, whenever we have to like go somewhere far, there's a bit of a barrier for a lot of people to, to do that.
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And there's people that will, that could use that, that, that goodness and that download that are a lot closer to home.
00:33:36
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We don't necessarily have to go international or around the world.
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That's great.
00:33:41
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But I think we get, we all get to a point where I think, or we could, I don't want to say should, but we would benefit from getting to a point where we're like, you know, um,
00:33:51
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we can do this, you know, transformational thing closer to home.
00:33:56
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There's people that would benefit from that and make it easy to get to increase the accessibility.
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Like those are the people that would benefit from and not a bunch of people who can afford to, you know, drop out of their lives for two weeks to go to Central America or halfway around the world.
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It's like, oh, there's a, there's a festival or there's a retreat or something like, and two hours away or in, in my, in my town.
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Fantastic.
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It's like, so you want to, so, you know, instead of,
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putting the medicine in a place that's like, you know, like with, like with kids, like put a medicine that's out of reach for a lot of people saying, no, no, make bring the medicine to the people, um, and give it, give, you know, give everyone an opportunity, um, to, to experience the same goodness that we all got to experience back in the day.
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So there's something to be said for that pilgrimage to the playa.
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Absolutely.
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Um, but there's, I think there's equal, there's equal goodness to be had when we, uh, from these regionals, if not more so like you're saying, how soon.
00:34:50
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And then I'll actually write off that in consideration around, you know, bringing some of the essence of what Burning Man has inspired in us into the world.
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One of the things I've seen that feels really inspiring is more intentional communities.
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Because going out to Burning Man, we do live in community there.
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We cohabitate.
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We are right next to our neighbors.
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We're sharing food.
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We're sharing resources.
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We are working together to build things.
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There is this tribal living, which I see more and more people getting land together and sharing responsibilities and really bringing that principle into a more sustainable lifestyle.
00:35:35
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which, you know, that's, that's here we are.
00:35:37
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Like, do we, do we go, or do we maybe start to think to create the, our lives based on Burning Man, right?
00:35:46
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How do we take all of the goodness from Burning Man and implement it into our regular day-to-day lives?
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You know, I think that that's a lot of times the conversation that we're in, you know, that is a big part of why we're here.
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You know, to be able to weave these threads of the Burning Man lifestyle into day to day life without having to make the journey.
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And of course, I love what you said to around like the the festival itself or the experience itself, because it's more than a festival.
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is a space for recharging and refueling our batteries.
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And, you know, everybody has a different way of, of fueling themselves.
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Some people like to go out into nature.
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Some people want to go to a festival.
00:36:30
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Some people need to do a medicine retreat, right?
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It's a really important for us to use discernment around where we are in our different stages of life.
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as well, right?
00:36:40
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With Halcyon, you have been 24 years.
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You're a totally different person than you were 24 years ago.
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You've gone through many different stages of metamorphosis, as have I and all of us, right?
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And so there is different needs for refueling at different stages of life.
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Burning Man really provides so much and there is a plethora of things to choose from.
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that we can be, um, you know, going to and, and attending, especially like, I love the consideration around how much it costs to go to Burning Man.
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You know, it's an investment.
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It's a, it's a retreat.
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You know, if you go to a retreat in Costa Rica or, or, um, some kind of, uh, um, travel experience, it's anywhere from two to 5,000, maybe more depending on how elaborate you go.
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And that's,
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That's about what you spend for Burning Man, if not more, depending on how you do it.
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So it's like we get to be discerning on how we want to spend our resources and our precious time.
00:37:47
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I've always thought of Burning Man as being a scrimmage ground.
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You know, it's a safe place for us to practice being our best selves.
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We get to compliment people and be open-hearted and loving with people that are going to greet us with open hearts and hugs and appreciation.
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And so, you know, the real benefit to practicing and in a scrimmage ground is so that you can
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play the real game, which is the rest of the year.
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And so, yeah, maybe, maybe 24 years is, is enough, uh, practicing.
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That's the thing that you, I mean, you still practice, you know, indefinitely, but there's lots of ways to practice and, um, yeah.
00:38:27
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And maybe the focusing on the real, the real game, which is every day.
00:38:31
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Yeah, just to kind of piggyback off of what you guys are saying, there's a way to keep yourself juiced up.
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And if...
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Burning Man is simply one way to go about doing that.
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So choosing to go or to not to go is either either choice is valid.
00:38:51
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And, you know, that I the idea like like that we're even paying attention to that question.
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OK, it's like, OK, so what what juices me up?
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What sparks me up?
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What's what's what inspires me to, you know,
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show up and be my best self uh in the world for my my myself for myself and my friends and my community at large um there's all sorts of ways to do that and it's a good question it kind of always be an inquiry about and to you know once you've kind of sussed that out for yourself to kind of make that commitment and sometimes it's the hell of a commitment like you know going to going to burning man is it's it takes it takes a lot to do that um and you know to talk about the expense
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that yeah once i once i kind of realized like wow it cost me is what i spend to go to go to the playa i could go literally anywhere in the world um so do i go for the 11th time or do i go someplace i've never been it's a big world and so that was a choice that kind of informed you know my you know that was that was a perspective that informed my choice about uh moving forward so every time i get to think about going back uh
00:39:58
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I may go back, but I could also go someplace I've never been before, which is a lot of places.
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So and that that would help me.
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That feels like that would help me to be my my best self in the world.
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So so, yeah, the decision, the decision to, you know, what's what inspires me?
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How do I what inspires me to show up as my best self is a is a good inquiry to have.
00:40:20
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Burning Man may or may not be a part of that.
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to burn or not to burn that is the question I love it um yeah let's close it up with some sparks um to see what kind of flames come from this conversation you know to be in that I feel like for me it's really about discernment around where I'm at in my life and what is
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going to be the best use of my focus, time, energy, and resources to support my intention for evolution?
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Is it Burning Man this year?
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Is it like really putting forth the effort to prepare for the pilgrimage to the playa to have a profoundly expansive experience
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Or is it going inward into a silent meditation retreat?
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Or what is really going to support my time, right?
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Maybe it's focusing on my business.
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And so the spark really comes from like really checking in with what do I need right now?
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What do I need right now to, to feel really good and stay on path?
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Is it
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what is it?
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And then just keep listening.
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And for me, I think I'll also just close it up with listening to intuition is really an important part of it.
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I follow the signs.
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And when I ask those kinds of questions, where's my highest use of energy for this next season of my life, then I start paying attention to what doors open, right?
00:41:51
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And listen to those subtle signs in my body and
00:41:54
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Where does my heart light up?
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Where do I wanna be based on how I feel?
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And so it's a really beautiful opportunity to keep tuning in and listening.
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My final spark is about that balance of recognizing that there's this massive amount of energy and recharging that can happen.
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And there's also this massive amount of depletion that can happen and trying to find that balance of
00:42:29
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from the present moment and commitment to being present for those experiences and not getting caught up in, as you pointed out, Yanus, the habit or the expectation.
00:42:40
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I mean, one of the beautiful things, the massive lessons of Burning Man is it's a transitory city.
00:42:46
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The art is burned.
00:42:47
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So to get caught up in what has been the traditions of the past is to kind of lose track of the massive gift of,
00:42:59
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of learning from the past and then being present and letting go and seeing what is reborn.
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So no commitment for me at this point.
00:43:06
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I still don't know what my answer is, but I'm open to all possibilities and all ways that, as you said, Betsy, you know, how, how can I, what serves me best?
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Because if I am served best, then I can be of service at my best.
00:43:25
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, I think to kind of, you know, the spark that I'm getting from here listening to both you guys is to
00:43:34
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remember like to not miss the actual through line of what burning man is about in that it's, this is, this is all temporary.
00:43:43
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It, it comes, it, it arrives, it's profound and then it's gone.
00:43:49
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And there's so much in our lives that it's actually the same.
00:43:52
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And it's important to recognize that and to drop into that.
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And, and when that experience comes or this, this chapter of our lives come dive into it, embody that, be that, you know,
00:44:04
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you know, be that version of yourself that is just rocking it.
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Uh, that is just like squeezing the juice out of it.
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And when that juice is like squeezed, put it down, move on to the next thing that, and without the, the, the, the drive to always be doing something, but you know, when it's over, you know, rest, or if you're inspired by that to do, to jump right into the next thing, that's fine.
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But realizing that, that our life, our life consists of chapters.
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And to realize that, okay, everything has a beginning, a middle, and an end.
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Everything in our lives.
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So recognize when you're approaching that end, that it's like, okay, this is kind of like, this feels like it's wrapping up or has wrapped up.
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And without this kind of clutching onto it, let it go.
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Let it burn.
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you know, keep our eyes open, keep your heart open for what's next and, and see how that resonates.
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And if it resonates, dive in.
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Yeah, just begin the next chapter.
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Yes.
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And you never know, it might come back around, you let it go.
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It's come back around.
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Just trust, trust and let go.
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Yeah, that is such a valuable thing to put into practice.
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That's the way of the burn, right?
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Whether you're on player or not.
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Yep, absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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a good conversation with you guys.
Connecting with the Hosts and Their Projects
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Love to just keep these sparks going.
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Thank you all for listening.
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And if you'd like to,
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find our work in the world.
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Love to give you guys a little insight.
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So Halston, you want to share with us and our listeners how we can find you in the world?
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Sure.
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I am fully splayed open at johnston.com, J-O-H-N-S-T-Y-N.com.
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And you can find links to my daily gratitude circles, my t-shirt store, my YouTube channel, a free sticker, and so much more.
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I would love to stay connected.
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Ooh, ooh, and sign up for my mailing list so that I can let you know of whatever is coming next.
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Yeah.
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yeah, let's stay connected.
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I love it.
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Oh, I love your passion.
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How about you, Yonis?
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I have, as mentioned, I've got a nutritional supplement company you can find online at newworldnutritionals.com.
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That's newworldnutritionals.com.
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And we provide mushroom-based nutritional supplements.
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We've got a microdose supplement as well that is all geared for alleviating symptoms of anxiety, depression, ADHD, PTSD, even, and getting a lot of results with a lot of neurological-based supplements.
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issues with a lot of some elderly people is getting getting good results with that.
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And just also, you know, helping with standard, you know, standard improvement of focus, memory, learning and retention, you know, things like that.
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And it's getting a lot of getting a lot of good feedback.
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Every week I get feedback from people that are like, this has changed my life.
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So that's, you know,
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And it's been good.
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It's been a real labor of love.
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I'm really overjoyed to be offering this to the world.
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And if you want to check it out, go to the website.
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Again, newworldnutritionals.com.
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Use the code SPARKED for a 10% off of any product.
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amazing and you can find me on finklehoo.com that is my last name or poweraffirmation.com and i am a holistic healing arts practitioner and i focus primarily on mind body and spirit transformation whether that's in person doing body work and energy work intuitive coaching and
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or virtually I help people to really cultivate life skills for sustainable happiness using gratitude, affirmations, deep self-reflection, EFT, meditation, breath work.
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And my project is called Power Affirmation.
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It is a journal that helps to reprogram limiting beliefs.
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And I also have a variety of power affirmation audio tracks on Insight Timer.
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So if you guys want to check those out, you can check in the show notes.
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There's actually going to be a link for a free download and you should be able to find the rest of them on my website and on Insight Timer.
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And of course, I got a little code for you too, Sparked, in the cart and you'll get 10% off.
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So thank you guys so much for listening.
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And shall we close it off with an affirmation?
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Yes.
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What do you got for us, Betsy?
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All right.
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So I love closing off with an affirmation based on our conversation.
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So one that was just coming to me.
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And so if you like, you're welcome to close your eyes and repeat this affirmation with me or just let it just wash over you as you listen.
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So here we go.
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I know exactly what I need to do and when I need to do it.
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I know exactly what to do and when I need to do it.
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I know exactly what to do and when I need to do it.
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I know exactly what to do and when I need to do it.
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And I let go of needing to know now and trust that I will know what I need to know when I need to know it.
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I let go of needing to know now and trust that I will
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know what I need to know when I need to know it.
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I am in the flow.
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I am in the flow.
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I am in the flow.
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I am in the flow.
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I am in the flow.
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And so it is.
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Thank you guys for listening.
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Stay sparked.
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Stay sparked, everyone.