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Kompany's big move sparks a big debate! Plus Supercomputer Euro Picks
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Manchester United reign supreme in the FA Cup! 🏆 Vincent Kompany takes the biggest managerial leap of all time to Bayern Munich! 😱 Plus, what teams did the NAP supercomputer assign us for the European Championship? 🇪🇺⚽️
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Introduction and Panel Introduction
00:00:01
Speaker
Back of the net.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello, it is the Not Upon A Podcast. At one stage, the top five sports news podcasts on Apple News in Ireland, so just a little panel back for all I use for listening and sticking through it all. And just as a very good reward for you, we have a full panel today. Rob, Nate, and Connor, plus myself, lads, how are we doing?
Newcastle Fans' Reactions and Emotional Stakes
00:00:41
Speaker
Well, I tell you, if the boys hadn't robbed a European place off Newcastle, I'd be doing a lot better. So we're setting off on a bad tone, boys. I was kind of a United fan for that weekend, just for that reason. It was pretty, pretty damn good. And in fact, it was so good. Yes, this thing had had to happen.
00:01:21
Speaker
A Newcastle fans would argue that is Newcastle United Road but as well.
Nate's Prediction and Player Development
00:01:26
Speaker
You see I was gonna go down that road pardon the pun but no I have to give it to the lads it was a cracking final and they deserve to win that one.
00:01:36
Speaker
What an ending to an unbelievable rubbish season. I don't know, like the last 10 minutes I was nervous. I think I felt watching a football match. I was like, the fact that we're actually going to do it, I couldn't believe it. So yeah, and I was unreal. And as I said, class 2024, I was proven right. You know what I mean? I will say that picture of the class of 2024 stood there over the trophy was pretty cold as ice.
00:02:03
Speaker
he's laughed at me and you know multiple episodes and look I was proven right again so. Rob would you buy into this this class of 2024 stuff?
Manchester United's Leadership Concerns
00:02:13
Speaker
Oh yeah, they're absolutely classed. I remember last season watching the United thinking he's not ready to start matches, to now he's scoring the first goal and he's one of the United's main attacking outlets and main in his class. I don't think Highland will reach the same level as those two guys, but he's talented. So yeah, I'm all on board with Nate, with his class at 24.
00:02:38
Speaker
My thing with the team is that they've got the ability for sure, but you know, maybe it's just from watching the 99 documentary on Amazon, but like you looked at that team and.
00:02:48
Speaker
leaving out the managerial situation, we can come to that, but just the leaders in that dressing room, be it Schmeichel, be it Japstam, be it, you know, Kino, Scholes, like even the young lads at that point seem to be much bigger
Young Players' Performances and Risks
00:02:59
Speaker
leaders. And I was also listening to Rudy on the overlap today and he's saying, you know, their team had four or five leaders in the dressing room. And as much as that United team have somewhat figured it out towards the end of the season, I don't see going into next season, true leaders there, you know?
00:03:15
Speaker
But I do think that's a testament to how good these youngsters are, is that they're showing up and performing on the biggest level at the end of the season. I think that's a testament to them after such a rubbish season to be able to do that. So I was highly impressed with that. I think that's 39 games now from Grenaccio in a row. He's really got some minutes under his belt this season. Cailin, as the only other impartial man on the pod, what are you saying?
00:03:43
Speaker
Um, I thought it was a very good performance. I think, you know, it needs to be very, very careful with Grenaccio that they don't end up like doing to him, what Barta did to the likes of Pedri and Gavi. Um, you don't want to burn them out. You don't want to Michael Owen in 10 years time. Um, or even a Rooney, like Rooney's peak was so good. People forget he was finished at 31. Um, you want, you want them for a long time, not just a good time.
00:04:10
Speaker
He was very finished by 31 it wasn't even like a you know he kind of not went off a cliff but there was a large drop off there.
Cup Win vs. Bad Season Dilemma
00:04:18
Speaker
Yeah and I don't I don't think winning a cup at the end should negate a very bad season and I don't think that should be forgotten.
00:04:29
Speaker
like 10 high had a lot of issues. There's a lot of issues with that team. Like when your players player of the year is just the local vibes man. He's like, Dallow is, seems to be their dressing rooms version of Bez. I'm not having that. Dallow was a very consistent performer this season in a very shit season.
00:04:50
Speaker
So, I do think he needs as far as for that is. He's a consistent player that is performing at a good level and he's still young in comparison to what a player is. He's not that young. Is player as player though? Is that like, cause some clubs that means vibes, man. Some club that means you lifted the team by playing. I wouldn't know too much about Dalo really.
00:05:16
Speaker
Like he's genuinely solid, like he's come in and he's not only played left back for a good portion of the season, he's also played right back. So like I'm really happy with Dallow getting that. And what Killian said about it negating a very bad season is I do agree.
Ten Hag's Performance and Future Speculation
00:05:34
Speaker
But I also think that showed on Sunday that the players are still behind the manager, that they were willing to go out and put in a shift. And I think
00:05:45
Speaker
I think Ken Hagg needs to be given credit for certain things that he doesn't get given credit for. One thing he should not be given credit for is the lack of socks he was wearing with that suit. That was a crime. But one thing I'd say, I don't know if that shows that they still have heart in them. Were they auditioning for the next manager? Because the news that 10 Hagg was going to be leaving or was meant to be leaving or could be leaving broke just before the game. So were they kind of going like, Ahmad had something to prove already.
00:06:14
Speaker
And then Hoyland is going to have something to prove, I think for another year or two with the price tag and the kind of the slow start. But for the rest of the team, was this a kind of like, oh, right, let's remind that we have a bit of ability here because we don't know if we're going to be kept this summer at all.
00:06:31
Speaker
No. Let's lay it out in facts. Vran and Lissandra Martinez played that game. That was the first time we had them two in God knows how long. I think pretty much all season. And Martinez was very good. They added the needed protection there that was needed all season, let's be real.
00:06:52
Speaker
But I think just like the players went down, they executed what the manager put out against City. And I think tonight needs to be given credit for that. Like it was a very good performance. Like technically it was the best you've played in a long time. Like that game was put to bed in like 30, 40 minutes. So I.
00:07:12
Speaker
I think 10
Debate on Injuries' Impact on Season
00:07:13
Speaker
Ag needs to be given credit down. In my opinion, they look like players that were still behind the manager. They still were focused and went down. It's not like it was a performance where they all needed to show up and went down and done it. To me, that was a very tactical performance. I was working on the training pitch. Give 10 Ag another year.
00:07:37
Speaker
Rob, what do you think? I think it's time for him to go. I celebrated. I thought it was a great win. I do think he can say it was a great tactical performance and say that you think he's probably time for him to go because in the one-off game he did do well. So once the sugar rush fades off, you have a terrible season. One of United's worst seasons.
00:08:00
Speaker
ever really like I think it's their worst season for goals conceded per game since 1971 and like like just leaking goals they elf all the teams in England 96 teams sorry in the top five European leagues
00:08:16
Speaker
they averaged in the 95th most shots per game which is like 17 shots per game all season. They faced 225 shots in total in 2024 and like I can say in injuries which obviously when you see someone like Martinez he played well and
00:08:36
Speaker
And for Ryan was fit as well. He played very well. You say, well, if he had those players all season, you would have done better. But my argument would be then, what's 10 hag doing? Like, if it's just down to the players, like any manager would be better if those guys are available. I'd be able to manage them if they were fit and they had to play. So I don't know if that's enough of an excuse because
00:08:56
Speaker
Like when the, as I said, the high of the, the, the win wears off. Like, you know, you haven't been convincing. I don't think they've ever been really convincing. Other than maybe that match, but I just think it's probably a game too late. And I just, I don't think he's an elite level manager, even though that was an elite performance. And I think any of us would look weak to turn around and.
00:09:18
Speaker
effectively had this guy ready to go and then because of one game, they changed their mind and keep him. That would make me lose a bit of faith in those guys. So I think it's time for him to go. And it's a good thing for him. He'll go on now. Like Vincent Company will probably be sacked by Christmas and I can be the next Bayern Munich manager.
00:09:37
Speaker
and and he can show that kind of tactical astuteness that he showed on saturday so i i just think i do think it's time i think you know you need to rebuild and i i'm not convinced i'm not convinced by tenhag as good as that match was i just don't think it's him i don't think he's the one for you know you don't seem to be alone either and before kind of nate comes back in and fights the good fight for for for eighth uh the athletic
00:10:01
Speaker
polled their Manchester United subscribers so they've kind of obviously put them in a book it's based off of inputted info and 74.5 percent of people said that Eric Tenhag should remain as manager, 11.9 said no and 13.6 not sure so it seems pretty it seems the game has swung and like
00:10:26
Speaker
This is where I struggle, lads. And maybe you just can add a bit onto this in terms of how I'm looking at it. But we haven't had a left back all season, yeah? We have been running Johnny Evans pretty much for 80% of the season. We've been lucky to have two senior center backs. I'm just trying to, in my head, go, how can a manager do better in this situation? Where is he going to pull these players from?
00:10:52
Speaker
And where's the consistency in this team to have a partnership? There's nothing. It sounds a bit like the excuses of the latter days of Venger and the early days of Emory. It's like, oh, how can we do better than Ford when we have Scalachee as a centre-back and Riziski still injured? It's a real, oh, we got relegated. Look, what could I have done with loads of different injuries? But I don't know, Rob, what are you saying?
00:11:22
Speaker
I just think that it's not enough of an excuse. And even then, do you hear what Wayne Rooney said a couple weeks ago? A lot of those players are fit to play, just having made themselves available.
00:11:32
Speaker
that goes back to 10 hag, maybe they've clashed with him. So a lot more United players were available for that match on Saturday than they were a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, it's only been Bruno who's playing through the injury. And any of the question, as you said before, which we can't answer because we're not there, but many of these injuries are coming from 10 hags methods and the approach. So we don't know that, but I just don't think injuries is enough of an excuse.
00:11:58
Speaker
I really don't. I think every team has injuries. Liverpool had injuries. Even Man City, like they lost to Brian at most of the season. They lost to Haaland for big stretches of the season. Newcastle have had loads of injuries. Chelsea have loads of injuries and they've finished above United. I just don't think it's a no. I don't think injuries equal
00:12:19
Speaker
eight in the Premier League. I also think it's a case of I take the point of, you know, I'd have had so many injuries, especially from a defensive point of view. And obviously that's a linchpin of the team. But I still think there's a level of the players who are available are Manchester United players, which let's face it, you're not there if you're a stooge. So like the quality of the players and
00:12:42
Speaker
Maybe the system doesn't work for the players. You could look at both sides of things, but there's been a lot left to be proved by that United team with the personnel that were fit.
00:12:53
Speaker
Okay, Milassia Shaw, we haven't seen all season, okay? Well, Milassia's been kidnapped. We don't know where that kid is. Milassia, no, he was at the final. He somehow swindled the FA Cup medal, I don't know how. Shaw's been injured all season. Vran's not really fit. He'll come back for one game at a time.
Chelsea's Season and Managerial Challenges
00:13:13
Speaker
Martinez has been out all season. McGuire's had long-term injuries.
00:13:19
Speaker
Like, I'm sure like Johnny Evans is our most consistent centre back. And he's done a solid job, let's just call Australians credit. But I don't think any other team in the Premier League has had such integral injuries as we've had. So when people come to me with the argument going, okay, we've conceded this many goals, I go, okay, fair enough, that looks very bad. But I do think there's a lot of
00:13:46
Speaker
external factors that goes into that. When you go back to what you were saying last week though, man, where you had 600 shots on Ohana, that's a human rights violation. In my head, I can justify giving Ohana another season. I don't think so.
00:14:10
Speaker
I think even those shots on target, that's a structural thing. That's not an injury issue. That's your team is set up, isn't set up correctly. Like, so that's, you're letting those shots in. Like it doesn't, like there's teams here with worse players than, you know, even with all the injuries who aren't letting as many shots on their goal, or they aren't conceding as many, many goals in a match. You know, they lost 14 times last season in the Premier League, like 14 matches they lost.
00:14:36
Speaker
And I think the body evidence over two seasons, because I remember even at the start of this season I was unsure about then Hagen. I think he only scored 57 league goals last, not the season that's gone the season before, his fourth season. So they've never been great in front of goal and then they just kind of fell apart. So I've never been convinced by him and his body of work over two years just isn't convinced. I know he's won those trophies but
00:14:59
Speaker
one-off matches are all well and good, but I just don't think over the two seasons it's been enough. And even if you go back to like, what is this guy's great achievement to get himself to United? The biggest match of his life to lost the scorers in the Champions League semi-finals, that was his biggest achievement, losing the scorers. And then he's your manager.
00:15:18
Speaker
I think it came down to youth. I think it was they saw like the you know the old united way of oh he'll foster youth but he's definitely I agree with you that Spurs is the biggest game of his career. Yeah and then a lot of it is as well like that he like the work he did at IACS was even like he had director of football and he had Edin van der Sar like he just coached the players like he's not
00:15:38
Speaker
I don't think he's this figure that is going to lead back. And then when he was given the transfer funds, he wasted it on Anthony. Don't spend as much money on Anthony and buy a cent to half. So when your cent to half gets injured, you have a bit of cover. It's not that difficult. So I'm just still unconvinced by him, as good as that one-off game was. Because I'll go into this match now. It's like when Ireland say when Matt Renee was the manager,
00:16:04
Speaker
they pull the result out, but that doesn't mask the bigger problems, the bigger structural problems. And yeah, I do think for him as well, he should go now because it could get ugly. And have you seen now with Ineos and the crowd at Runyonite, there's a lot of leaks coming out. Everything they do, if they change the wallpaper in the canteen, it's a report in the newspaper now. So it's going to turn against them again when things start going bad. So if I was him, I'd even probably think,
00:16:32
Speaker
It's probably best to go now with its reputation kind of at its highest. Well, Nate, Erichton Haggis and the only one at Old Trafford having potentially short futures at Manchester United, what is the latest with these layoffs?
United's Layoff Notices and Financial Implications
00:16:51
Speaker
Yeah, there was an email that went around like very quickly at the FA Cup Final, which, you know, great timing by a big company. And that went, yeah, basically offering voluntary redundancies for any of the non-playing staff that went there. Company-wide like?
00:17:07
Speaker
Yeah, trying to send them out. Without knowing the intricacies of United, does the fat need trim? Is there bloat in that company? I mean, they employ 1,100 staff. Yeah, that's pretty heavy. That's something that you'd expect off like a Microsoft or something, like a football team.
00:17:31
Speaker
But yeah, I think the report said that they're expecting like 5% to take it, which isn't a lot. So I don't think his plan is going to be that advantageous to him.
Chelsea's Organizational Changes
00:17:45
Speaker
Well, you'd wonder, because like, you know, redundancy payments for companies in a standard company, I don't know about the football world, or, you know, a couple of months per year of service, I don't know. But like, in a football club, it's hardly like non playing staff have been there that long, unless you're talking about the training ground staff have been there for forever. But like, maybe the reason for that lack of 5% is it's not financially worth it to them to leave, you know,
00:18:12
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know what way it's going to go, but I think it's an interesting thing to keep an eye on. One of many news stories that keep going out of United. Just even leaks coming from the roof. We even have a waterfall now, man. But United aren't the only team that have had up and down seasons.
Pochettino's Tenure and Chelsea's Future
00:18:40
Speaker
Chelsea has been
00:18:43
Speaker
Worth talking about more so than we've kind of done over the year from being atrociously bad to actually finishing above United. It was kind of surprising and kind of see the latest from Stanford Bridge. I spoke to a Chelsea fan earlier. Ryan, what was your reaction to Chelsea's season? Last season was a funny one because
00:19:13
Speaker
As I said, we kind of played at the level of the team we were playing against. So we came up against Man City, 4-4 arguably should have won. Gave us them again in the second game. But then against the lower teams such as Burnley, Sheffield, we never looked convinced and we got bad results against Burnley 2-2, Sheffield 2-2. Poch overall, I don't think he built a connection with the fans.
00:19:41
Speaker
he, um, that he needed, he didn't look interested kind of building the connection. So that kind of, it made the stadium, the whole atmosphere. It was, it was a poor atmosphere all season. Sometimes Stanford bridge was absolutely silent. It's not known for its atmosphere, but it was silent and that student football and to departure, not making that connection.
00:20:04
Speaker
So yeah, like it's, it's kind of hard for him to make a connection though, when he has all these players that he literally doesn't even know, like Malang Sahar, like there was no, there was to kind of defend him. There was never the groundwork put in for him to have a long career at Chelsea. Considering how the season started to ways finished, he did as far as from an outsider's perspective, I think he did as good as he could.
00:20:29
Speaker
Yeah, he probably, I don't know, because I think the last five games, it's even kind of, kind of, kind of papered over a lot of cracks. You have to take into account that we played a Liverpool side in the Caribbean Cup Final that was plagued with injuries. We had a full-fit squad. That should have been one. I know it's on the players as well, but Poch sets them players up and tells them how to play. Then
00:20:53
Speaker
He had a lot of injuries as well, but then some people can say that's down to his training methods. His training methods have been described as extreme. So it is kind of a two way thing as well. Did he deserve to be sacked or leave? Um, I was, I wanted Pachin actually last summer and it was in January.
Enzo Maresky's Potential as Chelsea Coach
00:21:17
Speaker
I had enough. I said, no, he has to go. He had to go.
00:21:22
Speaker
He was two sparrows before me. Really? Like, when you look at who after he went, he is relinked with, and we will get onto kind of where that search went to, is he not the best the manager could have had in that position, regardless of results? He probably is.
00:21:47
Speaker
There's not really much managerial candidates out there at the moment. So for experience-wise, Poch probably was top tier, unless you're going back to Mourinho, which we won't talk about. We won't go back to Mourinho. Yeah, I'd say at the time, he probably was the best candidate.
00:22:06
Speaker
And so we, at the time of recording, I don't think it's actually confirmed, confirmed, but who is the new coach? What do you know about him? And does he kind of tickle your fancy as a Chelsea fan? Um, Enzo Maresky. Yeah. He's worked on their Pep Guardiola, obviously, but he's also worked on their Manuel Pellegrini at West Ham and.
00:22:29
Speaker
He's played for West Brom. He actually carpooled to Graham Potter at West Brom. So I wonder, did he talk to him about taking the job? Hopefully not. So he's only had, he hasn't played a hundred games as a manager. He hasn't had a hundred games. So it is a huge risk, but I do have an excitement about me with him after research from the last couple of weeks, since his name has kind of been in the fold. I am a little bit excited. I have to say.
00:22:53
Speaker
And what's kind of got you excited is that the brand of football, is it the fact that it's kind of like the little bit of the unknown? Cause like his Leicester squad was good. Like, and they did well, but for the players that they had, they showed up like they were a Premier League team in the championship. So.
00:23:11
Speaker
It is, yes, the brand of football. It's his fundamentals of football. I just feel like it does actually suit our squad at the moment. And even the way he just wants to be a head coach, he doesn't want anything got to do with transfers. He loves, he gives his say, but he doesn't want the full say in transfers. He wants to work within the club's model of letting the sporting directors do their job, which I do think if the sporting directors do get this one wrong before Enzel sacked, these have to be sacked. Paul van Stanley would have to stand up.
00:23:40
Speaker
Because in fairness, it was not really squad building. It was squad jumbled together. It was like pure, I've got an extra 30 quid and I'm going to spend them on FIFA points and put together an ultimate team. Like there was no kind of.
00:23:57
Speaker
rhyme or reason to a lot of it. And like even on our last episode of our season wrap up, we did kind of pop both Lavia and Cassado in possibly like flops of the season, considering the money being spent. So is this a poison chalice for Enzo? Do you think he can make it work or you still have a bit of a rebuild to do?
Maresky's Management and Squad Success
00:24:23
Speaker
I think he can make it work. He's worked with Cole Palmer. He's worked with Romeo Lavia before. So I do think they'll be vital in the set up. And he's also worked with our scout and director Joe Shields at City Group. So he should be comfortable enough to come in. I know Potter worked with Stuart, so I don't know how he wasn't comfortable, but Oreska should be comfortable enough to come in. And he's a young squad there that should mold from him.
00:24:48
Speaker
I know that I read there that his knowledge on the squad, including our youth players and our lone players, it's encyclopedic. So it is encouraging that he already has read up before even accepting the job.
Chelsea's Ownership and Future Direction
00:25:00
Speaker
Sure. One of his assistants is a former Chelsea player in Wibby Caballero. I'm not really back. So you're kind of hopeful for the future, but one of the kind of the dark cloud
00:25:16
Speaker
Yeah, the kind of dark cloud kind of hanging above Chelsea, though, and as a fan, like we've touched on many times during the season. Do you think success can be had under Boli or is he proving now to be what Abramovich was back in like oh, five or six, spend a lot of money, chop a lot of heads and just kind of maybe hope for the best?
00:25:40
Speaker
Yeah, I think he definitely wasn't educated enough when he came in, him and Iqbali as well. I know Iqbali is now making most of the decisions, so Ollie's kind of the face, but they seem to be, they have every faith in Paul, when Stanley and Lauren are sure to make all these decisions, but
00:26:00
Speaker
Yeah, he came in saying that they didn't want to change Chelsea. They're not going to be this gunfire approach of second managers and they want to give managers time. They're also saying this by Mresca. They've given him a five-year contract supposedly. So will he last five years? If he doesn't, what happens?
Reflection on Graham Potter's Chelsea Tenure
00:26:15
Speaker
You know? And have they made any promises to him in regards to like a, I know you're saying he's more of a head coach, but is there like a transfer kitty that they're kind of committed to? Is there any, that kind of like, you know, normally new manager comes in, there's always them kind of little rumors of promises. There is rumors that he has a five player list for the summer. So that's what for Bridget Romano has out that he's going to get five players this summer, no matter what, where he's going to fit them. I don't know. There's five goals on the list and I think two of them are left foot and right wingers again.
00:26:45
Speaker
So where he's going to fit these left foot right wingers every single time. And then you have Estefaro from Brazil coming. You have Kendry Paez both right to left foot right wingers. So the Graham Potter problem of not having enough seats for players is going to rumble on. And actually just before I do let you go, the guys take the piss out of me now at this stage is I am a good, I'm a big fan of Graham Potter. I.
00:27:12
Speaker
I would love him at Sunderland if we could get him. I'd love him at Ireland if we can get him. I think he'd be in astute, silent for the likes of a man. I think he's a very, very good coach. That's now been maligned by a bad spell at a club that didn't know what it was doing. Then, and maybe even now, but we won't cast any aspersions. As a Chelsea fan, do you hold Potter in any regard? Oh yeah, definitely.
00:27:41
Speaker
So you're not completely put off by his one year? No, I think he's a fantastic manager. I think he should have been given more time. It was the owners not being educated enough in football. That's why he was sad. I know the results weren't great, but you also have to remember we had Aubameyang, who partied in want, ZH, who partied in want. We had, I think it was 36 players in the squad, ridiculous amounts of injuries. He didn't really have a fair say. Then you bring in January, you bring in Enzo, Modric.
00:28:12
Speaker
Like how many players we bring in in that January and none of them played Premier League football before. He didn't really have a chance. Watch out Felix. It was crazy. But I do think Potter is a great manager. I think he will definitely come back and do really well in football.
00:28:30
Speaker
lads. It's not just me saying that he's good. It's even a even a Chelsea fan is saying. Ryan, thank you so much for your time this evening. Great to actually hear from a Chelsea fan. Where can the listeners find you if they want to see more? You can just find me on Twitter. It's Ryan 12 underscore 21. And that's really all where I post my content or anything I feel about Chelsea.
00:28:56
Speaker
Great. Well, you heard it here. And Ryan, we will have you back to keep us up to date on what's going on in Stamford Bridge. And just to plug again, because I can. Fun fact, I played on Stamford Bridge. Ryan, thanks very much. We'll chat to you again soon. See you.
00:29:15
Speaker
A fantastic manager who never had a chance. Graham Potter. Only you would be able to find another member of the Graham Potter fan club Irish Brigade.
Chelsea's Future under Maresky
00:29:25
Speaker
Now, before we get into it, cheers Ryan for giving us the lowdown on all things Chelsea, but some interesting takes there. Yeah.
00:29:36
Speaker
Is it a clever training? Is it another just showing crap against the wall to see if it hits? Rob, what are you saying? It's just Graeme Potter again, isn't it? Like, it's just this guy. He's done well. To me, it's a strange one because, yeah, like, yeah, he's done well with Leicester and the Championship, but it's also Leicester and the Championship, the team with the biggest budget.
00:30:03
Speaker
and the team that were a Premier League team they never should have been relegated like they shouldn't be playing in the championship so like without knowing too much about them it just seems like it just seems like a bit of an no it's not and Ryan was correct here in saying it's actually Todd Bowley's actually just the face of it it's that it's a lot of the other guys are making these decisions but it does feel a very Chelsea move to go with the kind of flavor of the month and
00:30:25
Speaker
And again, Nate probably won't like this. I'd like Pochettino's. I think Pochettino is doing a great job with Chelsea. The players are devastated when he left. They scored 77 goals that season, which for an absolute mess of a team at Nicholas Jackson as your main striker, that isn't bad.
00:30:43
Speaker
So you're not wrong in the pot front by the way, but go back to that athletic The outside if the one of the questions was if every ten height goes who's your preference for a place? I'm with thirty eight point four percent of the vote. It was posh Followed by Tougal at twenty four point six and deserved me at nineteen. So I think you're not alone enough in those thoughts. I
00:31:06
Speaker
Yeah, apparently though, Chelsea want a coach, a head coach. All teams seem to want this. Liverpool want it as well. Maybe Manchester United want it. It's just a head coach. You go in there and push shape on this kind of squad of players. And that's what this new guy, I suppose, is. But rightly or wrongly, Chelsea are going to stick to this.
Trends in Football Management
00:31:25
Speaker
Five-year contract is heavy though, man. Have they not learned anything?
00:31:30
Speaker
Like Nate, what are you saying about Parch? I don't want to drag us down into the United Chat. Again, I'm already still hurt by the Europe mishap. But what are you saying on Parch? Do you want them? No. This guy's been doing a dryer.
00:31:49
Speaker
Yeah, he's a bit like Damaged Gold at this point, a bit like Potter in my opinion. Yeah, I wouldn't have met United personally. But we're just going back to the Chelsea stuff. I just think they're funny football club. I don't understand the decisions that they make. But the board don't either though, like I mean, like, how's the breeze like? I was surprised to try and get him on an eight year contract and spread it across eight years.
00:32:14
Speaker
Well, yeah, I just I don't get the decisions like it's they're not even really communicating either. Like, like you think if they had any bit of sense about them, they'd come out and say why they're making such a rash and silly decisions in my opinion.
00:32:29
Speaker
Like, if I'm a Chelsea fan, I don't think this guy feels me with confidence one bit. Like, fellow, you came from the Championship, like, and I'd have the same personal opinion if it was mechanic, auntie and I, and I just think that jumps a bit too much in my opinion. And I don't see it working one bit. What are you saying, Rob?
00:32:53
Speaker
It's just strange how football's gone. It's gone from Chelsea in the past to point to Mourinho because he won the Europa League and the Champions League. He pointed to Ancelotti because he was a serial winner. Now it's all about the promise of someone who could be good. Your stock is greater if you play your football
00:33:13
Speaker
if you somehow have a loose connection to prep Guardiola and you just kind of talk tactics all the time like that's what these clubs seem to be looking for like Sean Dice gets Barnley into Europe and he ends up managing Everton Vincent company gets them relegated after spending 90 million and he's buying Munich manager and it's just
00:33:30
Speaker
like football's gone it's gone on its head like it's gone it's tilting the power is tilting all the way from the traditional manager into this kind of like this promise of this head coach working in this this structure and and the kind of nerds behind the scene are the ones i say this as a nerd myself as a football manager aficionado but like they're the ones with all the power and it's just
00:33:52
Speaker
it's it's um it could be entertaining because I don't Chelsea guys next season could be fighting for Europe or he could be bottom half the table and John Terry's the manager by Christmas so for us it should be entertaining I mean as as a man who sat in the not upon the towers in a Chelsea jersey before what are we saying Killian um I think
00:34:15
Speaker
I think it was just a bad move to get rid of Poch. As I said to Ryan, I don't think there's anybody better for the position. I think if you're going to get somebody, you might as well get somebody a little bit interesting. If you're going to change, you might as well take a gamble. In the current managerial market, you're either going to overpay on compensation in six months, which is kind of the way managerial things are.
00:34:37
Speaker
now, or you can get somebody that may pay off and is actually willing to put up with what you give them rather than kind of asking for stuff. But I wanted to actually ask you guys, what's a bigger step up, mascara to Chelsea or company to Bayern? Because like one is coming from the championship up to the Premier League, but one's failed in this Premier League. And go on. Probably what are you saying first? Go for it.
00:35:05
Speaker
I think we're going to say the same thing, but Vincent company from that Bournley team to Brian Munich, even though the Brian Munich have a lot of troubles, is just.
00:35:15
Speaker
I read during the week that Guardiola had a big sway in that, and that Munich consulted him as to where they should go, and he kind of pointed them in the direction of company. Now, I don't know how into the process Guardiola was contacted, because I mean, I've seen company described as plan J, but it's very...
00:35:40
Speaker
I'm trying to find better words than bonkers, but it's pretty out there.
00:35:45
Speaker
show us how mad football is. When I first saw this link I wasn't even surprised. And even though it was shocking, I wasn't surprised. I'm like, yeah, this is how mad football is, of course. Finn's the company's gonna be Bernie Munich manager and coach Harry Kane. That's, of course, that's gonna happen, even though it's insane. So I just can't believe he was even number eight or ninth on this list. Who's the next guy you didn't get? I feel bad for that guy. How far down the list did you get before?
00:36:11
Speaker
company come into it. I know it even knocked back by a lot of people, but I think Vince the company is just so unconvincing as a coach. I think not as bad as Jared or that level, but not far off it.
Vincent Kompany's Appointment at Bayern
00:36:26
Speaker
I can't confess to seeing a lot of Burnley, but there's a reason for that because they were terrible, absolutely terrible. Burnley were always the last game of match of the day and that's all you need to know.
00:36:38
Speaker
Yeah, I can't stay awake for that. And they're baro-looting in the table. I don't know how you feel, Nate, but for me, I can't think of a bigger jump off the top of my head. No. Lesser to Chelsea is 100% a bigger jump than... No, it's not. No, no, that's not. We've got to take Bundesliga attacks into this. He's going to be playing against 19 teams that don't know what a low block is. Yeah.
00:37:03
Speaker
I don't want to know. I forgot about your vendetta against the Bundesliga. He's going to have a field day and Winston company's going to look good on Bayern. I can guarantee it, yeah. He's going to have this thing where, you know, he might underperform in Europe, might not, but I guarantee they're going to be fine in Germany and 100% lesser to Chelsea at this current moment is the biggest thing. I was talking to it. Sorry I get it Conor, it's Bayern Munich, sorry Conor.
00:37:30
Speaker
No, no, you're good. I was talking to a non-league manager, made a mine, and he's the same as Nate, so I'm intrigued to see what your comeback to that is, Rob. It's boring Munich. They are aristocrats of world football. They've won, I think it's seven European Cups. They're one of the biggest clubs in the world. Leicester won the Premier League a few years ago. Leicester, if you look at Leicester's history and look at Chelsea's history, take out the Abramovich years.
00:37:59
Speaker
Chelsea are a bigger club and it's not that much of a leap. That's the only FA Cup a couple of years ago. They're modestly, but Chelsea are a team in transition. Chelsea to me now are a top eight team. God knows where they're going to come out with this because they had a brand which years, but they're going back a little bit
00:38:20
Speaker
to when they were in the late 90s as like this kind of maybe a cup team or a good team but not a consistent team. It's Barn Munich from Barnley. Like Barnley has a population of about 80,000. It's a small club like it's a and it's a company like didn't I don't think he did a particularly good job and there was Barn Munich manager. I feel so bad for Harry Kane who was like a case study and why you need to get a good agent because if you don't if you let your brother be your agent
00:38:48
Speaker
Before you know it Vincent, come here as your manager for boring Munich and you could be playing for Real Madrid or something so I just, no, I think maybe someone killing your knowledge might be to throw a bigger leap at me than from boringly getting relegated to boring Munich manager. I just can't think of one.
00:39:08
Speaker
Oh, a bigger leap. You kind of put me on the spot. Give me a minute. I will think of one. But I do want to remind people that like company did get Bernie promoted, playing a very attractive style of football in the championship. And to his credit, he kept that in the Premier League and whilst it didn't go the way that he wanted, it wasn't like he was Sheffield. It wasn't like they were rooted to the bottom. Like they were competitive
Kompany's Challenges at Bayern
00:39:33
Speaker
for parts. But his inability to move away from what wasn't working is worrying.
00:39:38
Speaker
Yeah, I agree with that. But like, don't forget, like he was playing a brand of football that was more suited to the level of player that he was, the level of players that he had. So putting them into a barn will actually
00:39:55
Speaker
work in his favor. But I wonder, long term, right? This is where I wonder, has he kind of screwed himself? If he can't do it at Bayern Munich, that exposes his system. Because okay, you can say it didn't work at Bernie because he didn't have the playing staff. But when you go to a league like Germany,
00:40:15
Speaker
which is, you know, different and as Nate Vendetta has, but when you've got the players at the Cattleboro Bar Munich, if you can't figure it out there, where do you go? Is Championship your level then? Yeah, that's, you know, a year from now, we're doing end of season reviews. Let's come back to this, all right?
00:40:50
Speaker
he's not going to smash abulonzo and i know he lost the final dublin book
00:40:58
Speaker
Like if he's sticking around, they're going to probably get more, they're going to get more players in. He's going to have more back. And I know I'd back it if it came down to that. To me, this is, I just, I think companies are just an unconvincing, completely unconvincing appointment manager. I don't see it.
00:41:16
Speaker
If you're Harry Kane, you must be leavened. You're like, what? It's like, I came to Bayern Munich and you're giving me Vincent Kompany. Don't get me wrong. I loved Kompany as a player and he seems like a nice bloke. But if you're Harry Kane, you're like, we just lost the league for the first time in fucking 10 years. And I have to put up with this guy now. It shows the footballs gone as well. Like with that, I keep saying that. But like,
00:41:37
Speaker
Okay. And like that basically actual achievement is overlooked in favor of the promise of what you can be. Like Vincent company speaks well, like Vincent company would be a great politician or a pundit, but I don't know. I think I don't have these great manager though. Whereas like actual achievement, like I'm not saying Sean Deutsch should be boring Munich manager, but I think Sean Deutsch has more credentials nearly than even boring Munich manager or to get a better job because I just don't see any great achievement that company's ever done. And then.
00:42:06
Speaker
For Kane, in an alternative universe, Kane's contract is wrapped up now with Spurs and he's a free agent and he could be joining Real Madrid. That's what could have happened. I do feel for him as well. Okay, I'm going to put two names. I think that I've had a bigger managerial jump. I think one is obviously more successful than the other, but I think that neither of them proved particularly well.
00:42:31
Speaker
Avram Grant. Oh my God. At Chelsea. Yeah, that's a big one. A director. And then also Andrea Pirlo. Yeah. Going from northbound to like the top job. I think they're more comparable jumps for both mascara and company.
00:42:56
Speaker
We do want to get on to our Euros sweepstakes, but before we do that, this weekend, Champions League final, I'm going to go around to you, just give me the name of who you think is going to win, Nate. One word answer, come on. Yeah, a hot fire question here. We'll revert again, but... No, come back to me, come back to me. Connor. I'm saying Brucie Dortmund. I want to win it. Real Madrid will win it.
00:43:24
Speaker
Rob. Ramage it. Nate. Ramage it. Chris. They went out. Gillian Dortmund. Okay. Ain't the winner want them to win it? I think they'll win it. Wow.
00:43:37
Speaker
And I think just like any of the smaller teams once they get to the final, like, I know how dominant and dominating Madrid can be. Like they can grind out results, but like, don't whether they're on merit and it's not like they had an easy run of it. They got their
00:43:57
Speaker
by grit and determination and by basically sacrificing their domestic league to do it. They're used to not having big players. I love the way they've got to the final and I have great admiration for them as a club but the one thing that you always have to remember in the Champions League is Real Madrid
00:44:21
Speaker
are built for it they are the champions league like they don carlo in the champions league is a greater love story than twilight at this point like i mean it's it's you know they're unrivaled in their ability to pull one out of their arse in a champions league game maybe outside united of yesteryear i don't know what he's saying oh i couldn't agree more they're just
00:44:46
Speaker
As I got older, I actually think I appreciate the style more. I would have been previously like, oh, Bass Loner, great, look at this style of play. I kind of admire Madrid's ability to win. It doesn't matter how they do it. I loved how they kind of, not just as in my United fan, but I loved how they stuck it to Liverpool a couple of years ago.
00:45:02
Speaker
just one move and then I think it was Venetia scored at the back post it was great so yeah I kind of yeah I can't see past Madrid and the team they're building now like everyone needs to remember this is before Mbappe joints, this is before Hendrik the wonder kid from Brazil joins as well like they could be dominating for the next couple of years. Well like it's just like you said it's they're one of the last teams that
00:45:28
Speaker
can take a game with a scruff of the neck and it does not matter how far down they are in a game. They could be two goals down in Champions League Final and you're like, they still have a shot here. There's not many clubs like that left.
00:45:38
Speaker
Yeah, killing going against Don Carlo, that's brave, don't it? It's downright rude, so it is. Yeah, I expect a better killing, I can't lie. It's just, I don't think it's going to be that easy for the game, like, yeah. Plus, I like to be a contrarian, that's fine. What do we say score line-wise? 3-0, rounded. Ooh. I'm saying, vote seems to score...
00:46:05
Speaker
I'm going to say 2-1 after extra time to dormant.
00:46:20
Speaker
Oh, wow. See, I was going to go 2-1 extra time at Dreid, but then I wasn't brave enough. I do love a good penalties, I do. Oh, I adore that. I think that'd be great as well. Like, I am just a little bit for the fun. I will admit, I do love a bit of fun. I would love it for Marco Royce. It would be fantastic to see him bow out of Dortmund in, you know, with a Champions League winner's medal around his neck. Yeah. Crews to get one more man.
00:46:52
Speaker
Yeah, they've had enough and Jude will get another one. So I think they're absolutely fine. But gentlemen, the time has come. It is time. So for the listeners, we are going to be having a big team and a small team for the Euros that we each have a stake in the tournament.
Euros Sweepstake and Team Selections
00:47:17
Speaker
And considering Ireland has let us down once again, RIP King Kenny. But who would you like to get? There was a big debate as to what a big team is prior to this.
00:47:36
Speaker
Like if you taught the chat about United managers or which was a bigger jump, it was kind of meaty and a bit bloody and the big teams in the Euros was much more vicious.
00:47:51
Speaker
Now, I think we're all hoping not to get England is the main piece of our first team. But to be honest, as I'll be in Portugal for part of the tournament, I would be pretty damn chuffed if I can get Portugal out of this. I don't know about you guys. Who are you looking for?
00:48:10
Speaker
I would like Portugal to do well. I really, I'd like them to win it. I think France will win it. Um, I don't know if I get much excitement from them. I think they're quite boring to watch. Um, cause they've so much talent, you know, play great. So yeah, I would say France maybe, but I wouldn't be, it'd be kind of a cold hard decision. Basically. I think they're going to be England in the semis and then probably pay Portugal or Germany in the final.
00:48:36
Speaker
I would like Portugal. All my boys are on Portugal, so I've got to go Portugal. I would have taken you for a Croatia man myself. No, I wouldn't want a small thing like that.
00:48:51
Speaker
As we have them kind of split up, I would like actually to get Austria, just so I can rub Ralph Radnick in all the faces. Yeah, for the context, for the listener, we've kind of put teams into two buckets. First kind of potential winners is our first board to spin, and then the rest of the teams. But Killian, take it away, my man.
00:49:12
Speaker
So our first board has Netherlands, Portugal, Italy, Germany, France, England, Croatia, Belgium, and Spain. So Nate, we're going to do your hair first. Big or small? Which one you want first? Big. Go big. Give them Croatia. I beg. Please give them Croatia.
00:49:34
Speaker
Oh, okay. Netherlands. Netherlands. That's pretty stinky boy, yeah. I mean, it's, I mean, they've been a second team of mine for a long time when Ireland don't play things. At least you have a good kit. Yeah, like, and found fake horse. If that's what you're dependent on.
00:50:00
Speaker
Now this is where we have Albania, Austria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Georgia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Scotland, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, Turkey and Ukraine. I will be releasing a rap. I was about to say that was pretty impressive. That was well done. Nice. Let's see who you get.
00:50:20
Speaker
Let's see. Oh, Serbia. Serbia, it's not bad. Yeah. They're playing from the first game, mate. I can hear the excitement in Nate's voice. He's truly chuffed with his two teams. I think you definitely have a chance for like a quarter of one of them.
00:50:43
Speaker
Did you guys do the predictor game I sent in? If you didn't, it's okay, but I've served you to go out in the group stages. Sorry, Nate. I haven't, but I will before the next episode, which will be our Euros preview. So, Rob, big or little? We'll go with small team first. Let's see. Here we go. Okay. The excitement of this. What have we got here?
00:51:10
Speaker
Another S team. Oh no, that's terrible. I think he deserves a re-spin with that. That was right in the middle. Rob, name this player that plays for Slovenian. I actually can't. No, no, who's the goalkeeper's paper into Milan? Is he still there? Handanovic. Handanovic. Yes. Is he Slovenian?
00:51:42
Speaker
The only Slovenian I can think of was do you remember Robert Cohen for West Brom years ago? I'd love to tell you yes, but I do not.
00:51:51
Speaker
And Danovich retired last year. He retired from Slovenia eight years ago, nine years ago. I'd love to bring some Slovenia knowledge to the table next episode. Right. Go on. Yeah, we're going to all have to be really knowledgeable on our teams next time. Okay, let's take Spain. Will you now? Oh my God, I taught you that. That's shit.
00:52:19
Speaker
I would have gladly taken Croatia, but for those at home, Belgium is the team that Roberto will be having as his primary team. That's so disappointing. That stinks. Not going to lie, that stinks. In your predictor, Rob, where do your teams go? Just thinking you don't get out of the group and Belgium lose to France in the quarter-finals. OK, not bad. OK. Connor, big or little?
00:52:47
Speaker
Give me a little first. Let's see. Come on. Here we go. Give me Denmark. Poland is a very good one. Maddie Cash. I'll take Poland. I saw Poland versus Ukraine in the 2016 Euros. One of the most frightening experiences of my life, but a great fan base. Right. Hit me with the big teams.
00:53:15
Speaker
Here we go. Gimme Portugal. Come on. No way. Oh, it's just missing a bit of hair. And I got France. We have our winner.
00:53:31
Speaker
So I'm going to go small first because we only have a handful of names for the big teams left. So my small team will be. Oh, check Republic. It was so close to being Austria.
00:53:54
Speaker
Czech Republic. I'm pretty happy with that. If they can resurrect the spirit of Jan Koller of Euro 2008, I'll be happy. Right. Let's go. Big team. If this is a team in white, I may retire.
00:54:13
Speaker
It's Portugal. I'll do a swap season. I'll do a swap season too. So Portugal and the Czech Republic, they're two Euro classics. How are we feeling gentlemen? Fucking Netherlands and Serbia man, Jesus. You definitely got the worst one out of it. Robbie's not too far behind you. Belgium, that is great. And Slovenia, what's the other one?
00:54:41
Speaker
Very nearly Slovakia. I think Slovakia would have been better. I can't complain too much with Poland and France, but that said, I agree with Robbie. I'm not the biggest fan of the French team in terms of the way they play. It's quite boring, but I am glad that I missed England by a hair. Have you feeling Killian?
00:55:07
Speaker
Yeah, like I'll take whatever. Ireland aren't there, so we might as well have a bit of fun. Actually, that might be Coke in here, like. Why haven't you met your visual pop? Where I am actually really annoyed is I'm going to have to follow a team that has Ronaldo in it.
00:55:27
Speaker
You've had to get very into it. Like, even like, lads, we wanted to buy jerseys for our teams. After Henry, I am not wearing a French jersey. I am not over that. And that's pathetic. I'm aware, but I am not over that.
00:55:42
Speaker
mate is already on dh gate he's not willing to pay for a full jersey but he'll take the 12 pound knockoffs i didn't arrive a bit a week after the tournament you need to find a way to do like a forfeit and get you in an unread jersey
00:55:59
Speaker
I think we actually should come up with a prize and a forfeit for whoever's team goes the furthest. And if somebody wins, they're going to get a little bonus on the prize. But we'll have that for our preview episode next week. Gentlemen, thank you very, very much for joining me. Nathan, Connor, Rob, Full House today with Chatches next week. Bye bye. Messy. Messy. Oh, my goodness. It's L.A. A. Come on, Rob.
00:56:31
Speaker
This is extraordinary! What a head strike! Right ahead! Back of the net.