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The Disappearance and Reappearance of Danny Filippidis & the Men In Black
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In this week's episode, Felicia covers the chilling disappearance of Danny Filippidis - a Toronto firefighter who went missing while on a ski trip in New York and reappeared six days later in Sacramento with no memory of how he got there or what happened to him. While Lauren explores the out-of-this-world urban legend of the real Men in Black - it's more than just a successful movie franchise! There are countless conspiracy theories and eyewitness accounts of these mysterious black-suited men who intimidate UFO witnesses and alien abductees. But who do they work for...and are they even human themselves?!
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Introduction to Sinister Sisters
00:00:13
Speaker
Welcome to the Sinister Sisters podcast. I'm Felicia. I'm Lauren. We're best friends. And we like spooky stuff. Ooh. Yes.
Movie Recommendations: 'The Power of the Dog'
00:00:23
Speaker
So I guess let's just go ahead and jump in with recommendations. Yeah, that sounds good to me. I don't have a ton of actual horror that I watched this week, but I did watch The Power of the Dog, which is that new
00:00:41
Speaker
Oscar movie, Benedict Cumberbatch. My mom has texted me about it like 10 times and I haven't watched it yet. Oh, really? Yeah, she's obsessed with it. Did she like it? Yeah. Wow. I don't know anything about it. It's like, I don't know if this is really a spoiler. I was going to say it's like a little broke back mountaineer. Really? Oh, interesting. I'm fascinated by your mom, but it's basically like a kind of
00:01:07
Speaker
tough mean cowboy ranch owner, Benedict Cumberbatch, and a young sweet kid who have a very toxic outward relationship, but maybe something else is going on. Maybe a little wink, wink. Yeah, but it's not like broke back where it's definitely more weird and tension building.
00:01:34
Speaker
and darker, I guess. So I'm kind of surprised your mom liked it, but it's good performances. It's a little slower, definitely feels like an Oscar movie, you know, one of those, but I enjoyed it. So the kid is the let me in kid, grown up, that boy with like a huge eyes. Yeah. He was like in the X-Men movies too, the newer X-Men movies. And then to the other main guy in it,
00:02:01
Speaker
I mean, obviously I love Benedict Cumberbatch, but the other main guy is like having such a amazing career. Oh, Jesse Plemons, he's like this like kind of heavyset guy. He was like in a Black Mirror episode and that movie I always talk about, I'm thinking of ending things. Oh wait, he's in Breaking Bad too, that you're watching. Yeah, yeah. My Breaking Bad is going to come up in my episode today, weirdly enough.
00:02:29
Speaker
Oh, I can't wait. Not because it's actually connected, but just because I'm connecting them. I like it.
Exploring 'The Tinder Swindler'
00:02:35
Speaker
And then I also watched the new documentary, The Tinder Swindler. Nice, how was it? Pretty fun. It's like a, you know, long
00:02:45
Speaker
serious documentary that's basically like catfish kind of. Of course, of course. But it's awful. It's this guy that cheated people out of thousands and thousands of dollars and sad girls that were like, he was so romantic and sweet to me.
00:03:04
Speaker
No. But it was interesting because I work for Match Group now, which owns Tinder. So I saw a personal stake in the game where I was like, wait, are we going to get sued eventually? I don't know. That's insane. And they're having to do like some recon because of the documentary, which is really interesting. That is interesting because it's always that question right of how much responsibility does a platform like Facebook or anything like that hold to what their users do.
00:03:35
Speaker
Yeah. And I've been hiring for trust and safety roles right now. And it's so cool because I'm like, I have never thought of this as a career path for people. Yeah. And it's like a lot of them are like, are like social workers. They've worked with like victims of child abuse or, you know, anything sexual assault survivors. And then now they want to like kick people off dating apps. It's kind of cool. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah.
00:04:02
Speaker
Did you watch anything that you wanted to?
Current Watchlist Highlights
00:04:04
Speaker
Yes. As I've always already said, Breaking Bad, yes, rewatching. Watch the newest euphoria. There's another one coming out tonight, which I'll be watching probably instead of the Super Bowl. But I just started watching Inventing Anna speaking of swindlers on Netflix, which has my favorite actress of freaking all time, Julia Garner.
00:04:31
Speaker
She's so good. Did you watch the new season of Ozark? No, I watched Ozark. No, I need to. You need to do it because you just need to watch it for her as an actress. She is so good. It's like it literally she gives me chills just from her acting like she's so good. I love it. But Inventing Anna is about Anna Delvi who was a few years ago got arrested basically for
00:05:02
Speaker
she had kind of a lot of things but she basically had convinced all these people in like rich New York society that she was a German heiress and had all this money and swindled all these like hotels and companies and all this stuff out of an ungodly amount of money and people are trying to kind of figure out how she did it because she always had money but no one knew where it was coming from
00:05:27
Speaker
And the story, I mean, the show is pretty good so far. But this kind of idea that everyone in New York, and we're talking like rich, rich New Yorkers, like cult level, like you're not getting into that group unless you have a lot of many New Yorkers. And everyone they interviewed knew her as basically a completely different person. And it's very fascinating. And Julie Gardner is great in it. And it's kind of more about
00:05:57
Speaker
after she was arrested and the journalist that kind of made this a big, huge story and got that first big interview with her about all this. So it's good so far. I'm liking it. I listened to a bunch of podcasts about it a long time ago. Does she have some crazy accent in it too, I guess? Yeah, that's the other thing. She has kind of this
00:06:22
Speaker
strange acts and can't really place where I think it did turn out that she's actually from Russia. But yeah, I can't wait to watch. It's a lot going on. But so that's that's going pretty well.
The Mystery of Danny Filipidis
00:06:34
Speaker
I love it.
00:06:36
Speaker
All right, so for my story today, I actually promised it a couple weeks ago. I mentioned the story of this dude that went missing. I said in that episode, missing in Canada and showed up in California. Turns out I was wrong, sort of. So this is a missing person case that was solved. But the how, the why, so much about this case is not solved.
00:07:04
Speaker
So we're going to dive in. And such a good representation of like, I feel like there are so many news stories where we see like just the headline or like you just see like the start of the story. I do this all the time where I like see the start of the story and I just take it as like,
00:07:22
Speaker
that's what happened and then when months later like the truth comes out it's not as widely publicized and then you don't know the real story. And some of this we still don't know but I do have a little bit more information than we than I had heard about a couple years ago.
00:07:38
Speaker
So February 7th, 2018, Danny Filipidis, I hope I said that right, age 49, Toronto firefighter, he's married a father of two, the most normal guy, the most normal guy. He was on a ski vacation with a group of like eight other firefighters and some of them retired and they were actually in New York at a ski resort, yes, Whiteface Mountain Resort in Wilmington, New York.
00:08:09
Speaker
So they had been there for a few days and on their last day of the ski trip, and there's sort of two accounts of this. The first one that had come out initially is that I think he wanted to take like another run on the slopes by himself before they finished up for the day, because one of the people in the group were like, I'm tired, we're done, like we're done for the day, let's go home. And he was like, oh, I'm gonna take one more run.
00:08:37
Speaker
And then from that point on, he was never seen again until the part we're going to get to in a minute. So I guess I said that so weird. He was never seen again except for he was six days later. But sorry, I got too excited in my tension building. I loved it. I loved it.
00:08:57
Speaker
So the slopes close, and the friends wait about 30 more minutes being like, hmm, he never came back down, where is he? They go back to the lodge, all his stuff is there, his car is still in the parking lot, and with his belongings is still his phone, his passport, and his ID. So they're like, okay, well, he didn't come down and leave, so where is he?
00:09:23
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I would think he was dead. Yes, exactly. If that was you, I'd be like, oh, hit a tree. Exactly. And so this is their first, you know, they start to get very, very worried. They call for help. And pretty immediately, there is a big, big search effort. So and once again, this is the like most initial story. So over the next six days,
00:09:48
Speaker
Over 6,000 people in total were searching for this man in New York, including 100 Toronto firefighters that flew to New York to help with the search. Of course, his wife came and helped with the search. They had canines. They had helicopters. They had drones. It was a full all-out search effort.
00:10:09
Speaker
I mean, honestly, if I ever go missing, I would not have 6,000 people coming. That's amazing. Yeah, it was. I guess that's true. That is kind of surprising that it was such a such a big search effort. But I also don't really know the numbers of how many people go missing while they're skiing. So a lot of people, of course, thought, oh, he probably. Yeah, like you said, like got hit something or got injured or something and stuck up on the mountain and they couldn't find him. But six days later,
00:10:40
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His wife, while searching, gets a phone call from an unknown number, and it is, dun-da-da-dun, her husband Danny. He's confused. He wasn't really able to give direct answers. He didn't really know what happened to him.
00:11:00
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he basically is like I think he says like I'm somewhere in California and she's like okay call 911 and tell them who you are and they will help you and so he calls 911 and the Sacramento police come they find him at the Sacramento airport
00:11:23
Speaker
and they take him to the hospital. And the weirdest thing about this is when they got there, he is still wearing his ski clothes, and he still has his goggles and his helmet. What? That's right. Yeah. Right. So. Wait, you said six days apart? Six days. OK. So the questions are, how did he get from New York to California
00:11:52
Speaker
in six days with no phone, no ID, and no passport, which means he couldn't have flown there. Right. So how did he get there? That's why I was trying to determine if that was enough driving time.
00:12:06
Speaker
Yeah. And it is enough driving time, I think. Right. So California from, I actually searched it on Google maps. Yes. That's my research from Wilmington, New York to Sacramento, California is 2,859 miles. Okay. Which I think equaled out to, let me see, it was like
00:12:29
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basically like two full days of driving, which of course you wouldn't be able to do because you would have to stop for gas, you would have to sleep. Right.
00:12:39
Speaker
Yeah, one day in 18 hours if you never stopped. Wow. So, possible. Okay. But confusing. So, he says he didn't really know where he'd been, but he thinks he might have suffered some sort of head injury because he doesn't really remember much, but he did say he remembered being in a big rig-style truck and sleeping a lot. Hmm. Okay. Kidnapped.
00:13:08
Speaker
So what came out later is that in addition to his ski clothes, goggles, and helmet, he also had a new, and this is where it gets like, this is like the stuff that wasn't in the initial story that makes it all more and more and more suspicious. When the story first came out, I remember people being like, alien abduction. They took him, they dropped him off in the wrong spot by accident.
00:13:35
Speaker
That was my other first thought. I was trying to figure out the driving and then I was like, okay, if not alien abduction, alien abduction, like how else could he have gotten there? Why is he confused? It just makes the most sense to people like us. Yes. But some of the new information. So he had a new iPhone. He had his credit card and he had $1,000 in cash and then get ready for the weirdest thing ever. He had a haircut. What?
00:14:05
Speaker
At some point over the last six days, he had gotten a haircut. Okay, that makes me lean towards aliens. Interesting. They needed some DNA. Yeah, yeah. So they took him to the hospital. They did some scans. He wasn't injured in any way. He didn't seem to have any brain injury, any physical injuries. He overall seemed fine and was pretty much discharged immediately.
00:14:35
Speaker
He said at first that he didn't know how he got the phone. Oh, he was also cleared of having no drugs or alcohol in his system. Oh, that's interesting too. The police are like, okay, well, we know he couldn't have traveled by plane. This truck thing maybe makes sense. Maybe he got injured or maybe he got thrown into the back of a truck. Who knows?
00:14:57
Speaker
And so then as the story comes out a little bit more, there's like another version of it that, and of course, I feel like all of these sources, I'm just like, because these aren't from direct interviews with him. It's like, I don't know. It's hard to say. But the second version of this I found is that he later said that he remembered hitting his head
00:15:21
Speaker
being confused, not being able to find his car, and so he waved down a truck and asked for a ride, and then he was kind of in and out of sleep, and then when he got to Sacramento, the truck driver was like, here's the last stop, you have to get out. Okay. Seems weird. Yes.
00:15:45
Speaker
What they did is when they, this story obviously got really publicized and they released all this information asking for anyone to come forward that knew anything about the truck driver. If the truck driver come forward, like no one's in trouble, we're just trying to figure out what happened to this guy. And no one to this day has come forward as that guy.
00:16:08
Speaker
That's really interesting. Yeah. And so when he got to California, he and this is a little strange to me. He realized the first thing he should do is contact his wife, which that makes sense, right? Right. Instead of like asking someone for help or like finding a pay phone or something, he felt like he needed to buy a new iPhone. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. So he takes off money.
00:16:34
Speaker
gets the iPhone, and then he can't remember his wife's phone number, which I understand. Travis' phone number by heart, which maybe I should learn it. I was just going to say, I weirdly know my parents and our home phone, but I don't know James's. No. Absolutely. That's the thing, right? We only remember the phone numbers we had to memorize as children, so I knew
00:16:57
Speaker
my parents and my brother's cell phone number. I know my house number from the house I grew up in. And that's basically it. And kids today, I'm sure they don't know a single phone number. Right. I mean, yeah, why would they? Why would they?
00:17:14
Speaker
And so he could remember his wife's phone number. And so he decided, and I don't know if it was the time of day, I don't know exactly what happened. He decided that he was gonna sleep on the street that night. So he slept on the street. The next day he caught a ride with someone that took him to the airport where he stopped there. And then somehow remembered his wife's number and called her. And that was the call that she got. Holy moly.
00:17:40
Speaker
Yeah. So since this has all happened, there has been a few theories on what happened. And some of these theories I'm taking directly from YouTube comments. The first two are more serious.
00:17:52
Speaker
So the first is a combination of retrograde and anterograde amnesia, which he would have potentially got from a concussion. So forgetting some parts of before, yeah, and parts after, parts during, and just it being from him hitting his head on something. The second one, which is why I'm bringing up Breaking Bad, is dissociative fugue state. So this is the idea of someone
00:18:17
Speaker
And it could be from hitting your head. It could be from PTSD. It could be from a lot of different things. And I don't think science really understands it much. But this idea of someone losing their sense of identity and just sort of and people when this happens tend to just kind of wander around. And sometimes they end up making up new identities just to kind of make sense of their situation. And if you remember in Breaking Bad, there is an episode. But it's a lie, which I'll get into in my YouTube comments theories.
00:18:47
Speaker
that Walter White, he basically has I think it's an episode where he has to go like cook meth for a bunch of days. And
00:18:55
Speaker
Oh, no, no, no. Basically, he has to explain away why he was missing for a bunch of days. So what he does is he gets fully naked, goes into a grocery store, and pretends to be completely confused. And when they take him to the hospital, they're like, oh, we don't know what's wrong with you. We've done every kind of test. We don't know what this could be. He tries to explain it away with like, oh, maybe it was a combination of my medications for my cancer. I think someone brings up Societa Fugue State, all these things.
00:19:26
Speaker
And you can tell that the doctor is like a little suspicious. And so in the YouTube comments of a couple of these videos, people nowadays, more recent, not when it just first happened, are like, oh, maybe he faked his death and then chickened out. Maybe he wanted to start a new life. Maybe he was cheating on his wife and it got out of control and he had to explain away why he was gone. Like maybe he was trying to run away with a different woman.
00:19:54
Speaker
And then it fell apart, so he had to like, oh, oh, and also when he got this iPhone, he, when he couldn't remember his wife's number, he Googled the place he had been staying at to maybe call there. And that's when he realized he was a missing person. Whoa, what? And yeah, and I guess that's when he realized like how many days had passed and blah, blah, blah, supposedly. So.
00:20:20
Speaker
We don't really know. The most recent interview with Danny, because at first the other thing too was he wasn't talking about it. It was all just from the news. Nobody had really gotten his perspective when this all happened. But then he finally did an interview later, I think end of summer 2018.
00:20:45
Speaker
And he, it's not helpful. Like the interview he gives is like, yeah, I basically got back home, went back to my normal life. He's like, it is weird. Like sometimes I'll forget about it for a few days and then I'll be like, wow, that crazy thing happened to me. But it's just, it's not really useful because either he doesn't have the answers or he's not interested in revealing the answers. Right.
00:21:11
Speaker
But do we know if he's still with his wife? It's OK if you don't. I don't know. I don't know. Just fascinated. But yeah, so that's sort of. And that's the other thing, like if he was trying to run away and blah, blah, blah, and like this whole thing got this huge amount of media attention and he was like, oh, shit. Like, what do I do? I guess I just have to like continue. I just have to.
00:21:40
Speaker
do this big lie. Right. Because eventually, and maybe like if he was running away, blah, blah, people all over the United States are looking for him. So at a certain point, someone is going to spot him and say that's the guy. So he was trying to plan for that before it happens. Right. And to turn himself in. Or maybe he's telling the truth. Maybe it was a case of some sort of amnesia.
00:22:07
Speaker
Maybe he's just confused and really doesn't remember any of it. But either way, it's like such a crazy, weird story. That's such a wild story. And even if like he was, yeah, like trying to start a new life or, you know, anything like that, like so crazy, he was like, I'll drive to California or, you know. Yeah, I mean,
00:22:30
Speaker
I, this is like my brain of listening to too many podcasts. And I'm like, yeah, maybe he like had an online relationship with someone in California. And then he went out there and then she was like, uh, no, you're missing on the news. Like, I'm not going to be a part of this. And he was like, Oh, okay. Well, I gotta figure it out. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I don't know. And we, we probably won't know the answers cause he's probably not going to tell them if he has them. Um, and if not, and maybe it's just a really freak accident story. I don't know.
00:22:59
Speaker
Right. It's just so much action for he actually got a concussion and was confused. Yeah. Where that's the part that feels suspicious to me. Like when you just like be either like laying in the snow or like wander back to like your cabin. Mm hmm. Yeah. If you actually had a concussion and were actually confused. Yeah. I don't know. Why would you get into like a truck with a stranger? Right. Like it's also on a resort where there's like a bunch of people around. Like why wouldn't you just ask someone for help?
00:23:29
Speaker
I don't know. That's so interesting. Yeah. Well, well done. I liked that story. Thank you. I'm sad. It seems like there's probably no aliens, but yeah. And that's fun. It's funny because once again, like as you were saying, like when the story came out, I was like sick. This is probably a cool alien story. And then like a few years later with more details, it's like might've just been a hoax, but hard to say.
00:23:59
Speaker
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00:24:29
Speaker
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Unraveling the Men in Black Legend
00:24:49
Speaker
Well, making the leap to aliens, I'm actually going to talk about like the legend
00:24:56
Speaker
the legends, all the theories around the concept of men in black. Obviously, there is a popular movie franchise about the men in black, but I didn't realize that this was a true or people believe that these are real men.
00:25:17
Speaker
trying to keep paranormal, strange alien encounter experiences, anything like that, from making mass news. So that's kind of what I'm talking about today. I love it. Yes. And I love Men in Black. Oh, the best. I love it so much growing up. So good. It's so good. It feels like such a... I don't know. I feel like there aren't a lot of movies like that.
00:25:42
Speaker
where it's like a goofy kind of buddy cop, but like has real moments. It's like if an action thriller was a comedy. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's Will Smith's finest work. Absolutely.
00:25:57
Speaker
I'm talking about the like the legend that began on June 27th, 1947. So right around the time of, you know, 50s, 60s, alien craze starting. But a man named Harold Dahl was on a conservation mission on the Puget Sound, which I didn't know that sound it can actually mean a smaller body of water that's connected to an ocean.
00:26:26
Speaker
Like the same spelling? Yes. S-O-U-N-D. Weird. I know. I was like, so interesting. So this was on the eastern shore of Washington, Washington State. And it was near Maury Island. And he was with his son and his dog. And he was gathering logs when he saw six donut-shaped obstacles hovering about a half a mile above his boat.
00:26:54
Speaker
So after a little while, one of them fell that, you know, 1500 feet and all of this metallic debris started raining down, some of which hit his son on the arm and the debris very sadly killed his dog.
00:27:11
Speaker
So I know the worst part of the story. So Dahl was able to take pictures of the aircrafts with his camera, which he later showed his supervisor for this conservation mission. And that man, Fred Crisman, that he showed the pictures to came back to the scene to look for himself and also saw
00:27:33
Speaker
this strange, these strange aircrafts with his own eyes. So the following morning after this incident, Dahl was visited by a man in a black suit and from his house, they went to a local diner, which I really wish I knew the details of that part of the story. Like man knocks on your door and is like, Hey, let's go to the diner. And at the diner, the man was able to recount, you know, all the specific details of what Dahl had just encountered.
00:28:00
Speaker
So Gray Barker has a book called They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers that quotes this man as saying, what I have said is proof to you that I know a great deal more about this experience of yours than you will want to believe. So then Dahl was told not to speak of what happened to him and that if he did, bad things would happen. And so these supposed events that are told in this book have kind of fueled all of the
00:28:29
Speaker
conspiracy theories to this day. The U.S. government did an investigation of the events and Deem did a hoax. And then this is the part that I warned you about Felicia. Very sadly, Dahl and Crimson have later admitted that it was in fact a hoax. Dang it. We got a couple of real bomb man. This whole episode. I know.
00:28:52
Speaker
But this started the legend of the men in black and this mention of the man in the black suit started this like obsession for UFO enthusiasts. It spread into pop culture, obviously started, you know, the movie franchise.
00:29:06
Speaker
But I'm going to go into some more details that people believe. And there are more encounters that people claim to have seen men in black. But as I said, they normally have this one purpose, which is just to keep people from sharing their experiences with primarily aliens, but anything kind of strange paranormal. They're always said to wear black suits and hats with dark sunglasses. They drive black cars.
00:29:35
Speaker
They're normally in groups of two or three, which I think is cool based on the movies. And then some people describe them as similar to FBI agents, while some talk about them having weirder appearances. So either like supernatural features like glowing eyes, some say they have different colored complexions. So, you know, people have all these thoughts about like, why would the government want to suppress
00:30:03
Speaker
information about UFOs. The theory that most people believe is that aliens are much closer than we would think that either they're disguised as regular people living amongst us and that if any of these stories got out, there would be a mass panic and a breakdown of social order, so they have to keep it quiet.
00:30:30
Speaker
The next sighting after this Washington incident that was more, I guess, kind of public, was a phone call in June of 1947 as well. And it was from Kenneth Arnold. So he was a pilot who had his own alleged UFO sighting, again, near that same area in Washington.
00:30:55
Speaker
And though it happened three days after the Maury Island incident, it was kind of like the first widely reported sighting. And so this, again, kind of started this sensation around flying saucers.
00:31:12
Speaker
There's a 1949 government report on flying saucers. It says that, you know, Dolan Crimson, who had their first Maury Island thing, reached out to a Chicago magazine in an attempt to sell their story. The editor contacted Arnold, hoping that he could verify this account. And so after that, Arnold then summoned two officers, because remember, he was a pilot.
00:31:38
Speaker
So he summoned two officers of Army A2 Intelligence to aid in the investigation of this claim.
00:31:46
Speaker
And then in July 1947, those two officers came after leaving the next day, their plane caught fire and crashed. And this is true. So both of those officers were killed trying to discover what was going on. So of course, this added to just like the craze around UFOs and that something was going on and that something didn't, you know,
00:32:10
Speaker
They didn't want it to get out, but it seems like it's just like a very sad random occurrence, this crash. But you know, of course it like added to the people believing that it was true.
00:32:26
Speaker
So it was Barker's book that I mentioned, which was the, what was the title of that one? That one was they knew too much about flying saucers. He was the one that like drew the dots between the man who wore a black suit, who took doll to breakfast, and then three similarly dressed men who allegedly went to another UFO enthusiast whose name was Albert K. Bender in 1953. So it was kind of this like,
00:32:56
Speaker
Bender who who really brought about the idea of the men in black But it was Barker's book that like introduced it to the world a really dumb question Yeah, do you think that Futurama's Bender was named after this person?
00:33:10
Speaker
I actually, no, I had that same thought and I'm like, I think it might be. Maybe? Did you hear that Hulu is revamping Futurama and is gonna come out with new seasons? No, oh my god. I think it just got announced like either yesterday or the day before, but I could not be more thrilled.
00:33:27
Speaker
Oh, that's so exciting. I've never done like a full watch through. I feel like I should. Me neither. But that's like the show that like, I don't know about you, but like when I was younger, and like adult swim would come on, that was typically the first show. And so I always felt like I was being very bad. Watching that like after my parents went to bed. Anyways, sorry for that interruption. No, I love it. I think it could be I think it could be related.
00:33:50
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Because he is kind of a personality Albert Bender, but Barker described his visitors as three men in black suits with threatening expressions on their faces, three men who walk in on you and make certain demands, three men who know that you know what the saucers really are.
00:34:11
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Bender then writes his own book that's called Flying Saucers and the Three Men, and he described them as even more scary and supernatural. So his quote is, they floated about a foot off the floor. They looked like clergymen, but wore hats similar to Hamburg style. The faces were not clearly discernible for the hats partly hid and shaded them. The eyes of all three figures suddenly lit up like flashlight bulbs.
00:34:40
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they seemed to burn into my very soul as the pains above my eyes became almost unbearable." Oh my god. Super spooky Men in Black theory or sighting or experience by Bender. And that light thing, I mean, are you going to do this? I'm sorry. What? The light thing reminds me of the forget me light in Men in Black. Yes, exactly. Yeah. I wasn't going to do that, so that was perfect. I'm sorry.
00:35:08
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No, I love it. No, it's so true. But my favorite is like you can there are a million stories or a million like sightings of the men in black. I had no idea as I said that it was like such a
00:35:20
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common phenomenon or that real people believed in them. But one of my favorite stories is from Dan Aykroyd, who's the Ghostbusters actor. Oh, that's what I was trying to say. Yeah. So he came forward with his story. So he had a television show that was about the paranormal. I didn't know that it was going to be immediately. We got to check it out because I'm sure there are topics for the podcast too. Oh my God, yes.
00:35:47
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So he stepped out to take a phone call from Britney Spears, which I'm like living the life that I want. So he stepped out from filming a show to take a phone call from Britney Spears, who is asking him to appear on SNL with her. And he noticed a black Ford parked across the street. A tall man stepped out of the Ford and stared him down. Aykroyd turned away for a moment and then turned back to find that the man and the car had completely vanished.
00:36:18
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So after he finished his phone call, he went back to the studio to learn that his show had been canceled and he was ordered to stop filming immediately.
00:36:29
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So some people, I know. So some people doubt this claim, obviously. I mean, it really is like such a funny way to explain why your show is canceled. But Aykroyd to this day says he knew what he saw and maintains that there was some kind of connection between that man in black that he saw and the end of his television show. Wow. So I thought that was like- Maybe the show is getting too close to something. We just don't know what.
00:36:59
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I just thought that was such a good way to end my Men in Black coverage because it just feels like there's a lot of crazy theories, but nothing that's too concrete. But if you're interested in it, there's a lot of crazy people out there with conspiracy theories and I love reading about all of it.
00:37:19
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But I don't really know about the validity. I mean, it does feel like the government definitely doesn't want us to know as much as they know about aliens or UFOs. So I think there is some validity to that. And I wonder, like, I'm sure there are people that are in some kind of similar role to men in black
00:37:39
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like the idea of Men in Black, so I don't know. I just had a lot of fun looking at stories this week and reading about all these different conspiracy theories. And now we're going to have to rewatch Men in Black just for funsies.
00:37:54
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Yes. I mean, dude, the dude that gets like possessed by the alien or not possessed, but you know what I mean? Take it over the end that needs like the salt water or sugar water. Yeah. Yes. So scary. Like that terrified me as a kid. I was like, you are too scary. Yes. I mean, it's it's just a really good series. And I even liked the the one where Josh Brolin plays young Kay, young agent Kay. Oh, yeah. One is that third, the third three of them.
00:38:22
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Yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah. Amazing. But anyway, a little alien stuff this week. I love it. I love it. Well, thank you all so much for listening. And we hope you have some sweet, sweet nightmares. Bye.