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Lilias Adie & The History of Wedding Rituals
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This week, it's witches & weddings!
First, Lauren uncovers the case of Lilias Adie - a Scottish woman who was accused of practicing witchcraft in 1704. Adie was held in prison and interrogated day after day for over a month before she confessed only to eventually die in prison. But because she died before she could be burned at the stake, the townspeople had to bury her unlike most witch trials of the time. She was given a grave on the beach and her burial site was covered with a large stone so she couldn't rise from the dead. This was the only case of a sea interment of an accused witch in Scotland.
Next, Felicia takes us through the history of wedding rituals. Have you ever wondered why people where white bridal gowns? Or why brides will throw their bouquet to single women? Weddings have a lot of strange traditions that have evolved over the years. Listen to learn more!
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Transcript
Introduction with Lauren and Felicia
00:00:12
Speaker
Welcome to the Sinister Sisters podcast. I'm Lauren. I'm Felicia. We're best friends. And we like spooky stuff. Oh, yeah. Oh, can I see my shirt? Oh my God. An Elvira t-shirt.
00:00:27
Speaker
for our spooky episode. I was going to say, I think this episode is going to come out in September. Does that count as fall? Yes, let's call it fall. I'm sure it'll still be 100 degrees in Texas, but let's call it fall. It's fall. It's spooky season now. It can be spooky season girl time now.
Turning 30: Embracing Confidence
00:00:49
Speaker
I think it's actually going to be the day after my birthday. No.
00:00:53
Speaker
That's so beautiful. It's so weird to me you're not 30 because I'm 30 so I expect you to follow suit and also be 30. You know what? I'm gonna be 29 for the rest of my life actually. I will say it's funny it feels that way but I swear 30 is amazing. Like as soon as I turned 30 I was like wow I feel like really good about myself.
00:01:20
Speaker
I love that. And I think, I don't know, there's like a confidence with like being able to look on a decade of your life that you were an adult and be like, oh, I've accomplished things and I've done things with my life. So I think, I don't know. I think it's good. I love that. Okay. I'm gonna, I'm gonna embrace it.
00:01:41
Speaker
30. 30 feels good for Felicia, so it'll feel good for me. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
Netflix Recommendation: 'I Just Killed My Dad'
00:01:48
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Do you have any recommendations? Just one that I'm not even done watching yet, but did you watch the Netflix true crime miniseries? I just killed my dad. No, but it keeps being offered to me. Holy bananas, Lauren. It is so crazy. It's a good one.
00:02:08
Speaker
It's a really good one. I'm there's only three episodes. I'm just finished the second one. And yeah, there's like a lot of twists and turns. And it's interesting because they talk about like how the media covered this murder and how just like nobody had all the information to start with. And it took a long time for all the information to come together of why this kid
00:02:37
Speaker
killed his dad, and it's, I don't know, it's pretty wild. I'm not done yet, but I can already tell you it's worth watching. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm very excited. I have not watched it. I think now I've gotten to the point where, yeah, there's so much true crime documentary, so I need someone to be like, this is a good one. I usually skip most of them now because I'm like, yeah, it's all the same.
00:03:01
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Yeah, it does. It feels like this is a good one. It's by the same filmmakers that did abducted in plain sight, which was another like twisty turning one. Oh, yeah. If you remember that one. I did like that one. I did like that one.
00:03:12
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Okay, cool. Well, I'll check that out.
90s Nostalgia: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
00:03:15
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I was trying to think of things. We have been in a big binging. Were your family a teenage mutant Ninja Turtle people or no? Oh, for sure. I grew up with two older brothers, so that's how it had to be. Those original movies were everything to us.
00:03:35
Speaker
Yes, I was just going to say we've been rewatching. So we saw the new animated one that came out, which was great. Very cute. Oh, good. Okay, nice. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. But honestly, it left me being like, I want to go home and watch the 90s ones. Yes, so good. So we have been, we've been showing them to Willow and I forgot like the first 90s, like guys in the suits.
00:03:59
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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie is actually very dark. It's kind of intense. I kind of forget. They're much less wise-cracking, and honestly, there's a lot of fighting. Oh, yeah. And then, of course, it's helpful. James knows a lot about the behind the scenes he was telling me, but
00:04:21
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So for the second one, they were like, okay, now we need to be sillier. So the second one is so much more like jokes. For kids? Yes, for kids. It's actually hysterical because Leonardo has two swords on his back and he doesn't use them at all in the second one. He's just punching people.
00:04:42
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instead of using his swords. Because I think people were like, this is too intense. It's too violent. It's too violent. So he doesn't. But our joke that we make every single time we watch them, and he literally got up as I said it, is we really think that Rufus looks like Splinter. Oh my god. Rufus looks exactly like Splinter. Right? Oh my god. That is so good. Huge missed opportunity by not naming him Splinter. Post that. Post a side by side on Instagram, Lauren. You have to. I will.
00:05:11
Speaker
iconic. He showed up on the screen and I was like, that is Rufus. Oh my God. That's so cute. I love that. Also something about Rufus' expressions feel very splinter. I don't know why. He's wise, but judgy. Exactly. He does side eye better than anyone. But anyway, my little scruffy boy. But I think that's pretty much all I have to recommend this week. That's great. I love it.
00:05:38
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What are you covering this
The Witchcraft Tale of Lilius Addie
00:05:40
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week? I actually don't know. I forget. I am covering a witch or a hypothetical witch. We haven't done one in a while. I'm covering Lilius Addie. She was a Scottish woman and she lived in the coastal village of Torriburn Fife in Scotland. I wish any of our names in America were as cool as locations in Scotland.
00:06:07
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Tori Byrne, I just like a lot. So I found this story on TikTok. Somebody had shared a, basically, I think in the end, I talk about she has a water grave.
00:06:22
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Yes. She's under a sandstone slab that the ocean comes over and it's the only example of a sea burial to prevent witches from coming back. I thought that was really cool.
00:06:39
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So the woman in 1704 was held in prison for the crime of practicing witchcraft, and her story was found in the 1704 Kirk session minutes, which is basically just like the records of like church court.
00:06:58
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at that time, which I just always think of that scene. I think it's Sweeney Todd, maybe, or I think it is Sweeney Todd where there's that little boy that Judge Turpin is like, you shall hang by the neck. It's the gavel, and it just flashes that little boy. That's my idea of church court at the time.
00:07:21
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So there was an illness that was spreading around the town and it resulted in like a brief but intense period of witch hunting. I'm not gonna go into, I feel like we've covered so many times like all the periods of witch hunting in England or Scotland or Europe. There's lots of like kind of pop-up times of witch hunting and this time a woman,
00:07:49
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named Jean Bezet accused Lilius of witchcraft, proclaiming, beware, lest Lilius Addy come upon you and your child. Which also like what a crazy time that women were just like, she's a witch. Yeah, that's crazy. Can't imagine.
00:08:07
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So Lilius was arrested just based on that one woman yelling at her, and she was over 60 years old at the time, which at that time was old. So she was taken to the local minister, Reverend Alan Logan, to answer to the crime of witchcraft.
00:08:24
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She was held for over a month and interrogated very roughly day after day until she finally confessed. Seems like a little bit of that sad classic, like someone was, you know, roughed around until they confessed to something that probably wasn't true. Yep.
00:08:43
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It happens a lot. Still happening. Yes, still happening. But her confession explained that she had seen the devil wearing a hat when he visited her in a cornfield at sunset the very first time they met. A cornfield. Ooh, that's such a great image. Scarecrow. Scarecrow demon. No, remember? Not Maxine. Oh, yeah. Pearl.
00:09:11
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Pearl, oh my God. It's giving Pearl. It's giving Pearl. It is giving Pearl the scarecrow. So yes, devil came to her in a cornfield. Under the minister's questioning, she described how she had slept with the devil and he made her renounce her baptism. She said he had cold pale skin and cloven hoofed feet like a cow.
00:09:34
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It is just like I just will always until the day I die be like okay if the devil is not real like why do we have the same imagery so many different places and same like descriptions and how wild that just everybody be sleeping with the devil but yeah after that first meeting I know after that first meeting the devil would come to her house
00:09:56
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like a shadow, she said. She had gone to meetings and cavorted with the devil with other witches. I will say on the pro-Lilia side, she didn't name any other women as witches. Hey, nice. She didn't take anyone down with her. She's like, I slept with the devil, but I ain't no snitch.
00:10:18
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Yeah, exactly. But very sadly, this is like the worst part of the story is that she died before the investigation was concluded. How? I think they just roughed her up so much in trying to get her to confess and she was an over six-year-old woman and she died.
00:10:39
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Very sad. Very sad. That's horrible. Yes. So in 2014, due to interest in Lilius' story, there was a BBC broadcaster, Dr. Louise Yeoman and Douglas Spears, who was an archaeologist at Fife Council, who they kind of like started this search for Lilius' burial site because people weren't really sure where it was. Like we had the documentation from the court
00:11:05
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like the church court that I said, but nobody knew where her grave was. So using 19th century historical documents, they found a seaweed covered slab of stone exactly where the documents described, which I think is so cool that just like in 2014, they were like, we're going to find where this witch's burial ground is, and they did.
00:11:27
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So in a group of rocks near the Toryburn railway bridge there lay, I think this quote is just from the broadcast story about it, but lay the great stone doorstep that lies over the rifled grave of Lily Edie. Oh, I guess it must be Edie is how you pronounce it. It's spelled A-D-I-E, but maybe it's, I'm like in a Scottish accent maybe. Anyway.
00:11:54
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and a rock with the remains of an iron ring. So she'd been buried, as I said, on the beach at Torriburn Bay. It was just a humble wooden box under the sandstone slab, and it was between the low and high tide marks so that the ocean would wash over her grave.
00:12:14
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And the hulking half-ton stone that was over her grave was, as I said, they were worried that the devil might bring her back to life. And so they made sure there was a big stone over her grave. And as I said, this is the only example of a sea internment of an accused witch in Scotland. So maybe not anywhere, but in Scotland, this is the only time that they used the ocean in that way.
00:12:42
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So this is also really sad or just interesting. So her remains were actually dug up by antique collecting grave robbers in 1852. So at that time, it was reported that the coffin was six feet by six inches and her thigh bones were found to be comparable with like a six foot tall man. So I think she was a very tall woman.
00:13:12
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especially at that time. So she still had most of her teeth when they found her body in 1852, which also is wild to me, and they were still very white.
00:13:26
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So I'm like, she was like a six foot tall woman who had like very white impressive teeth, which I'm like, I don't know if that was just hygiene and people were like weirded out by it or whatever, but these- She had good hygiene and they said you're a witch. Something's not right. Your teeth are too white. Oh my God.
00:13:48
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But the skull was in the private museum of Dunfermalin. I don't know what that word is. I'm assuming it's a location. Antiquarian. That really sounded like you were saying from the office. Yeah, right. Dunfermalin. It's Dunfermalin. So basically it was in a private museum. Then it was exhibited to a medical association in 1884.
00:14:14
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And it's eventually the skull was held at the Museum of the University of St. Andrews, but it has since disappeared.
00:14:24
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Jump scare. That's crazy. So the skull was exhibited in 1938 at the Empire Exhibition in Glasgow, and that's its last known location. Wow. So we don't know where her skull is, but that can't be good. I wonder if a witch took it to do something with. I don't know what. It feels like it could be possible.
00:14:51
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So her coffin was actually made into several items, including a walking stick that someone made from the wood of her coffin. And then it has a silver band near the handle that's engraved with Lilius Addy 1704. That was donated to a museum in 1927 as well.
00:15:11
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And then in 1904, 200 years after her death, photographs were taken of her remains, which are now held at the National Library of Scotland. So using those photographs, they did, this is crazy. In 2017, a Dr. Christopher Wren, or maybe Ryan.
00:15:31
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and a team of forensic artists at the Center for Anatomy and Human Identification at the University of Dundee constructed Dundee. This is like a Dunder Mifflin episode. But they constructed this 3D virtual model that looks like what she could have looked like at the time. Wow. I love how people are putting in the time to do this.
00:15:54
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Just like for a random woman in, what did I say, in 1704, Scotland. I love it. So I will share the picture of her recreated face, which is just fun. What else do I want to say? Okay, so I'm going to read a quote from the BBC broadcaster that I mentioned. Yes, her name is Louise Yeoman.
00:16:17
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So she specializes in Scottish witch trials and she said, quote, I think she was a very clever and inventive person. The point of the interrogation and its cruelties was to get names. Lillia said that she couldn't give the names of the other women and at the witches gatherings as they were masked like gentle women.
00:16:36
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She only gave names which are already known and kept up coming with good reasons for not identifying other women for this horrendous treatment, despite the fact that it would probably mean there was no let up for her. It's sad to think her neighbors expected some terrifying monster when she was actually an innocent person who suffered terribly.
00:16:55
Speaker
The only thing that's monstrous here is the miscarriage of justice, which I don't think is a surprise to us. I do think a lot of people at the time of the witch trials obviously did nothing wrong, were accused of witchcraft and were murdered or killed horribly.
00:17:14
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And then I'll just add like one little last thing. So on August 31st, 2019, 315 years after she died, they had a memorial service in Toryburn and they laid a wreath at the site of her grave to raise awareness of the persecution during those witchcraft panics. And they've also made plans for a permanent memorial at Toryburn dedicated to Lilius and other women who were persecuted across Scotland.
00:17:42
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which I just love, unlike all these people just, you know, speaking up for her. Yes. But yes, that's Lilius who I think shall go down in history for not only having the water grave, but also for not naming any other women.
00:17:58
Speaker
That's amazing. And for being six, six foot. Yes. I love that. I love being six foot. That's amazing. With white teeth. With white teeth. Yeah, that is like cool. And that sounds like such a like, I don't know, like a Scottish image to me of like a sea grave and like the tide coming up and over. It's just like so majestic about that image. But that's awesome. Good job. Amazing. Thank you.
00:18:38
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All right.
The Origins of Wedding Traditions
00:18:39
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And now I'm going to, so Lauren and I are both getting married. So today I'm going to cover, I was just going to do the history of white wedding dresses, but it did take me to like a couple of other places as well.
00:18:58
Speaker
Okay, so here I go. I don't know about you, but I had always thought white wedding dresses were about being a virgin. Yeah, like purity. Yeah. Like that's always the association I had with that.
00:19:14
Speaker
But I will say this, so that version of the white wedding dress is societal and I'm gonna talk about the history of that, but it's also like a mix of fashion and religious symbolism. Yeah, so white in like the Catholic church means like,
00:19:38
Speaker
innocence, purity, whatever. And like, for example, like in like, little girls were white for their first communion as well. So it's, it's kind of always been a symbol of that. But that's not the history of women wearing white wedding dresses is not actually that old, and doesn't date back
00:19:58
Speaker
in the same way of the Catholic Church. It's not as connected as I thought it was. Wow, okay. Yeah, here I go. Back in the day, women from ancient Roman times up until basically the Victorian area, women just wore whatever their nicest dress was. I feel like I do sort of knew, I did kind of know that or something. It wasn't necessarily white. It was like, yes, maybe if you were very high class and could afford to wear white, which would have been
00:20:28
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basically impossible to clean and...
00:20:32
Speaker
delicate and whatever. Sure. But like it wasn't it was really just whatever your like Sunday best was is what you would wear. And it also wasn't an item of clothing clothing that would never be worn again. It was like whatever your nice dress is that you would probably wear it other nice things later. That's so it wasn't the same thing. And the the person that made it the iconic thing it is today was actually Queen Victoria.
00:21:01
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Yes, a la the Victorian era. But Queen Victoria, so she ruled the United Kingdom and Ireland from 1837 to 1901. So once again, by the way, not that old. No, like in my head, this had been going on since, you know, I don't know the before the forever. I don't know. I don't know. Since anyone got married ever. Exactly. But no, so Queen Victoria, she
00:21:30
Speaker
And Herod to the throne when she was 18 years old, like queen, literally. And she married her first cousin, Prince Albert. But that was very normal time. And she like really loved him. Like she loved Prince Albert. She met him and was like, oh my God, I'm going to marry that guy.
00:21:50
Speaker
And she actually proposed to him, which I also thought was interesting and exciting. Kind of fierce. Kind of fierce. But apparently, my first thought was, yeah, fierce, feminist, you go. But it actually had to be that way because she was of a higher status because she was the queen. So if you were of higher status at that time, in this level, you would have to propose to the person because it's also a contract.
00:22:20
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We should have proposed to our fiances. That's the point of what we're talking about.
00:22:26
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I'm just kidding. But yeah, so she married him in 1840 and she wore this very fantastic white dress that I'll obviously post a picture of, but it's got lace and the waist is cute and it's big and fabulous.
00:22:51
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Yeah, and she wears this beautiful long veil. And it really is this kind of like, when you look at that picture, you're like, oh, a classic wedding dress. And she was super influential on fashion while she was alive. Like, first of all, you know, she, her being like 18 when she got the throne, you know, she was queen while she was like kind of growing up and in like her, you know,
00:23:18
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know. Really? People like what she wore. People like what she wore. She was a fashion icon. And also, yeah, not even just this. This is this is crazy, too. But so she wore this white dress. So everybody else was like, I also am going to wear a white dress to my wedding. Like it became like it spread through Europe. It came to the United States and then it became like a worldwide thing. And she also when her Prince Albert died, she wore black.
00:23:47
Speaker
from the day he died until the end of her life. And so she also- She was grieving forever. Yeah, but she also, like her fashion influence, not only in weddings, but also in like morning culture of like how- Ooh. Yeah, so that she, yeah, wearing white to your wedding and wearing black to a funeral is like in Victoria, which I just was like, that's insane. And recent.
00:24:16
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and recent. Yeah, and she has some other things she was known for. She was like big on family values and like having like a close knit family became like a kind of Victorian ideal. And she was also her ring was part of the height of the British Empire. So she was like this symbol of like power and like grandeur and global dominance. Amazing.
00:24:46
Speaker
I mean, she, yeah, people freaking love Queen Victoria. She also was huge into the arts. And, you know, the art movement of that time is still kind of like iconic today. This is like Charles Dickens. And I feel like whenever we think of like, like, I love movies that are set in like Victorian England. The vibes are gorgeous. And this is also like, this is nothing new with Queen Victoria. But this is also like the age of the spiritualism and
00:25:13
Speaker
that stuff that we've talked about in this podcast before. But anyways, all right. So why is your thing? Yay. OK, so we have that. A couple of other things that I found while researching that that I was just fascinated by. So your bouquet that you walked down the aisle with, like, what's that about? So first of all, there was a tradition in ancient England that after the marriage ceremony ended and she's
00:25:42
Speaker
walking away, the bride, other women would do something where they would try to grab the dress and rip pieces off. Oh my god. Yes, it sounds very brutal. And I think it sort of was. But getting a shred of the dress was meant to be like, good luck. Yeah. And so
00:26:08
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to the bouquet actually came about as this thing that they would throw to distract the women while they ran away so they wouldn't get their dress shredded. So that's also why we can't throw bouquets? The bouquet, yeah. Wow. Distract the girls.
00:26:30
Speaker
Wow. Honestly, I was like, when you first texted me this topic, I was like, huh? Are there sinister elements? I was like, I'm sure there are. And that is effing messed up. Yeah. I forgot to say, this is not a very sinister topic. I forgot to say that. You're fine. It's true. The ripping and the dress is horrifying. Yeah.
00:26:50
Speaker
A bunch of women just grabbing you and pulling you. Yes. Then we're going to go even further into some mysticism stuff here. I wish there was more spooky stuff associated with the dress thing itself. I had dreams of something cool about that, but there's not really. Me too. There is more about the bouquet and also the veil. The bouquet also used to not be flowers. Queen Victoria did orange blossoms and that also helped
00:27:17
Speaker
People be like oh flowers like that so that's such a cute idea I'm gonna do that at my wedding but before that in the olden times they used to do spices so like basil and dill and Thyme and like a bundle of spices you'd walk down the aisle with and I had a couple of purposes one it was supposed to ward off bad luck and
00:27:40
Speaker
and evil spirits. Okay. I don't know why. And then they were also supposed to ward off the BO because people were wearing a lot of clothing. And so the bride would come down the aisle and she wanted to smell good and apparently like a roasted chicken.
00:27:59
Speaker
And so she would come down and then that would mask the smell of the BO that people were struggling with in the days before deodorant. I don't know. It really is like staging a house or something. Yeah, literally. Literally. And then, so they would take her bouquet to the wedding party.
00:28:17
Speaker
And they would, the bride and groom, I guess it's before the cake thing, but they would eat the spices, which was supposed to up their libido for the wedding night. I don't know how, but that's, I guess, what they thought. And it also was like a good luck thing.
00:28:36
Speaker
So imagine you just had to eat like a bunch of frog spices or herbs. Yeah, like what? But that was kind of I mean, I think that's fun because that's the thing that I kind of like about weddings as the weird person I am where I'm like, oh, I like the ritual aspect aspects of weddings that just feel like a little like ancient to me that that are so cool. But totally. But it's funny. Some of these things are not as ancient as I thought they were.
00:29:05
Speaker
I know. I guess we're, yeah, we're learning. This is good education for us. And then, okay, I'm gonna hit two more things. The veil. So the veil has actually been around since like ancient Rome. And there's two sort of main reasons for the veil. One is to mask the bride.
00:29:26
Speaker
from evil spirits until the marriage is complete. So it's like once again, boarding off evil, good luck, whatever. Just in case she real quick gets possessed. Yeah, like what is the evil? I don't know. I'm not sure. I wanted to marry this woman, but.
00:29:42
Speaker
Maybe the devil will come into her body before she gets to the end of the altar. Yeah, exactly. And then another reason, which is like a little bit dark, but so back in the day, arranged marriages were very, very common. And so there was a few wedding traditions that are kind of built to prevent
00:30:05
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the groom or the bride from running away from each other before they get married. So like in case they don't like each other. So it's like they have to finish the union before they see each other.
00:30:16
Speaker
So for example, the bride coming down the aisle wearing a veil so he can't see what he's marrying or who he's marrying. Wow. What he's marrying. What he's marrying. Brutal. And then also the tradition of not seeing the bride before the wedding is also like mixed in with that history of arranged marriages too.
00:30:40
Speaker
Oh, I know. This is not fascinating. I know. And then the other thing that's also from ancient Rome is the ring. So yeah, but in the ring, I mean, and I know this is still true now. I know it's like people want the wet, like I wanted my engagement ring so bad. Like it made me so happy. I still makes me so happy. But rings.
00:31:04
Speaker
when they were invented for marriages were signifying the business transaction of marriage. And in ancient Rome, typically women had an iron ring they weren't home and a gold when they weren't public. I don't know why, that's just what it said. And- Do you want to be fancy when they went out? I guess. And it really was like a symbol of you're contracted to a man already.
00:31:30
Speaker
And I know that it is true because, I mean, I was just telling Lauren a story about this where like a guy knows my engagement and he was like, oh, you're engaged. And it's like, oh, right. Like that is like part of this.
00:31:45
Speaker
Yeah, part of this thing of like finding yourself to someone else and wearing the symbol in public so that everybody else knows that you are already with someone else. Like it's so it's just I don't know. It's fascinating. And it's something like maybe a little dark about it when you think about it in the business transaction kind of way. Yeah. And also did you notice that men don't have engagement rings? So like we have to be we have to be owned.
00:32:11
Speaker
even though we're not technically married, but I mean, I love my engagement rank too, but I feel the same way.
00:32:17
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But it's like, yeah, it's like, oh, you already have committed yourself to a contract, even if your wedding is next year or whatever, like you're already contracted. And it's just not the men. No, they're not contracted until the wedding day, which is also part of the history of bachelor parties. So like, the bachelor party is kind of like, oh, the last night to do whatever you want.
00:32:44
Speaker
before you get married the next day, and whatever happens at the bachelorette party stays at the bachelorette party or whatever. And women didn't actually get bachelorette parties until like the 60s. Wow. It's like a very recent thing that used to just be a male thing. And women only got bridal showers, which were the women in your life coming and giving you gifts to make you a proper homemaker.
00:33:06
Speaker
while the men went and messed up. Yeah. Did some crazy stuff. So it's just, you know, it's it's all misogynistic and dark and whatever. But and then diamond engagement rings. That's my last thing. Didn't really come around until 1947 when a company that, of course, I didn't write down and forget the name of. Oh, no. Which I'll try to Google really fast started putting these ads
00:33:37
Speaker
about diamond engagement rings. And that's when they got really popular. It can't be Sears. This is a 1947 Sears catalog. But that's so they the diamond engagement ring didn't actually get popular until like the last like 70 years or so. Wow. And before then it was more just like bands. But yeah, so that's a lot of things that I learned about the history and the ritual of wedding ceremonies.
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I love that. That's all like so interesting and so helpful. And honestly, yeah, I'm surprised at how recent most of it is. I know. It's crazy. And that's it for us this week, I think. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for listening. We hope you have some sweet, sweet nightmares. Bye.