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The History of UFOs & The US' Congressional Hearing on UFOs
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The world is all about aliens right now and so is Sinister Sisters this week!
First up, Lauren explores the UFO phenomena through the ages, hitting the historical highlights going all the way back to when the Halley's Comet was first observed in 240 BC! Then on to the modern UFO frenzy that began when Kenneth Arnold sighted nine unidentified flying objects in Washington in 1947 (the same year as the infamous Roswell crash). She also gives some background on past government programs to investigate UFO sightings, leading listeners right into...
Felicia covering the recent US Congressional hearing on UFOs (or UAPs as they’re referred to) that took place on Wednesday July 26, 2023. Unless you live under a rock around Area 51, three former military officials testified to Congress that the US government knows much more about UFOs and aliens than they are telling the public and can provide proof. Felicia explores and explains the most significant and shocking claims from this hours-long hearing.
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Transcript
Introduction to Sinister Sisters
00:00:12
Speaker
Welcome to the Sinister Sisters podcast. I'm Lauren. I'm Felicia. We're best friends. And we like spooky stuff. Yes, we do. We're back on this beautiful August day. How terrible has your heat been? Oh, very bad. Not as bad as yours, I understand.
00:00:32
Speaker
But it's still bad. It's basically been feeling like 100 here and that's not good. Too hot.
Personal Updates and Challenges
00:00:39
Speaker
Too hot. I think it's a little better today, not that I've gone outside. But if I had, from what I hear, I think it's a little better today. Is it insane there? I love it.
00:00:49
Speaker
It is always just so hot. I don't, I don't know. I went for like an hour walk talking to my mom on the phone today and I thought I was going to faint. And I was like, I just needed exercise. Like I just needed to be outside and to move. And it was, it was tough. Yeah. I'm I, for some reason I get now I'm like, am I just revealing everything on this podcast? But for some reason it feels better to be moving with my shingles. I don't know why.
00:01:18
Speaker
Reveal to the masses. Reveal to the masses. Yeah, Lauren has shingles, but it's stress-related, and it's not fair that you're so stressed, and it makes me sad. I know. I'm trying to get a better handle on it. I told Felicia I'm just handling it by just having extreme control over as many things I can in my life. Well, that's the only way. That's the only way for now. We'll figure out a better coping mechanism after the shingles are gone.
00:01:44
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly.
Spooky Stories and Movie Discussions
00:01:46
Speaker
But anyway, I did want to really quickly tell a little ghost personal story that happened to me recently. Oh my God. I was so excited. Please. We were leaving. So we finally, I know we've been in our new house for a while, but we still had the other apartment lease. So we went back to like
00:02:05
Speaker
make sure we had everything out of there and like clean up a little bit. And when we went back to the old apartment, this is like where we have always felt like there was possibly a ghost in the second bathroom. And Willow is convinced there's a ghost in that bathroom, it used to be hers. And so we were all three there. And we were about to literally like leave the apartment and the bathroom light turned on, like randomly.
00:02:32
Speaker
Oh, no. I just feel like it's a ghost. I mean, it's obviously a ghost at this point. That's insane. That's crazy. It was very scary, but it felt like the ghost saying goodbye to us. So we were like, goodbye ghost. We will see you never again. You better not come to our new house is what you said. Exactly. Please don't follow us to our new house. Yeah, that's wild. I love an update. So thank you. I wonder who's moving there now. Like who lives there now?
00:02:59
Speaker
Right? I wanted to be like, do you guys have a ghost? Are you okay? Have you noticed anything funny? Yeah. I have recommendations, but do you want to go first or do you want me to go first? I can go first or either way, but I was just going to say I saw the new Barbie movie and I absolutely loved it. Have you seen that one yet? Yes, I saw it. I also loved it. I thought it was amazing and so different than what I expected. Yeah.
00:03:29
Speaker
I just loved that it was just so over the top in every way. Yes. It was like I thought it was going to be, you know, I don't know if like I thought it would be quote unquote woke. But I thought it might be like more preachy. And I'm glad that it wasn't. It was still very fun. Yeah. And it was like, I liked that it was like, they were like giving commentary on their own commentary. And this way, that was really funny, I thought.
00:03:57
Speaker
Yes, I totally agree. I felt like it was the right line of we're feminist and we're looking at this through 2023 eyes and all these things, but it was also not anti-Barbie. I thought, I don't know, it was good. Yeah, absolutely. I really liked when they did the voiceover being like, this point doesn't make any sense with the casting of Margot Robbie, but anyways.
00:04:22
Speaker
Do you remember that part with the voiceover? It was so funny. I loved it. I know with like her no makeup, like still gorgeous face. Yes, exactly. But it was really good. She really is so beautiful. I know. She really does look like a Barbie. And the costumes were so fun.
00:04:38
Speaker
Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely, definitely. Yeah. Was there any others from you? Oh, I guess. Yes. I feel like I've actually seen a fair amount of things. It's been a little bit. Oh, then go for it. I guess. I also I also saw the new Haunted Mansion, which I will give like a mixed review for. I feel like I liked it less than James, but more than the Eddie Murphy movie. Hmm. OK.
00:05:06
Speaker
I will say I didn't even know a new haunted mansion was coming out until I saw your Instagram posts is the truth of it. Wow. I don't know anything. Should we get a marketing cut? Probably, probably. I also was like, upstate for a month with no internet. So I really missed a lot of stuff that went down. But no, I had no idea there was a new haunted mansion. Not a clue.
00:05:32
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and it's, it has Jamie Lee Curtis. So there are definitely things that I think you will particularly love about it. Um, it does, I will say too, like it is scary and still really fun. And like, I think in a lot of ways captures like the tone of the ride.
00:05:49
Speaker
I, there were just like some decisions I didn't love. Like I felt like some of the plot and some of the dialogue was pretty bad. I'm trying to even think. They like really did Rosario Dawson really dirty with like, she does not look very cute in the movie. Like her hair is terrible. Her clothing's not great. That's great. I know. And she's gorgeous. Yeah. I was gonna say, why would they do that? And who is she playing? Not sure.
00:06:16
Speaker
Is she the spooky one? She's like playing like the mom who owns the house. Oh. No. Okay. Yeah. So she like is supposed to be like, you know, relatively normal, but I don't know. They just felt like her, you know, not really love interest, but like the lead guy in the movie is Lakeith Stanfield. Do you know him?
00:06:37
Speaker
nope tell me more you probably will if you you probably will if you saw his face but he is like one of the hottest people to me and so I'm like him and Rosario would be hot if it was like if they didn't make her look so weird
00:06:58
Speaker
Yeah, that's a bummer. It's like, especially, I mean, she's just such a queen in my eyes that I'm just like, she should be always treated as such. Exactly. Exactly. But anyway, that's it for me. Okay, great.
00:07:13
Speaker
Yeah, so I saw, which I know you're seeing, you said tomorrow. Talk to me. You're seeing it tomorrow? Yes. I'm seeing it tonight, actually, but yes, I don't know where this will be in podcast world. Yeah. Weeks ago. Yeah, so I really, really loved it a lot. I was actually thinking about doing a YouTube review, which I haven't put up one of those in many months, like four months.
00:07:33
Speaker
Oh my God, you messed. I think I might do it. I don't know. See how I feel tonight. But yeah, it was really, really great. Maybe I'm just not watching enough Australian horror films, but every time I do see an Australian horror film, I'm just like, damn. That was freaking scary.
00:07:52
Speaker
So it was yeah, it was very scary. It's you know, it's got the kind of like possession stuff that feels it's not that it all feels so original, but it's that it's all so well done. Like, yeah, like every scare, the characters, the the effects, like I just I was really, really pleased with the entire thing. Like I was genuinely scared at times. Like I even had one moment in the theater which is saying something for my eyes for a brief moment.
00:08:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's pretty scary. It's pretty scary. I will complain just for the smallest moment here that the girl in front of me was scrolling through Instagram most of the movie and the girl next to me kept talking to her boyfriend. And I was like, people stop.
00:08:40
Speaker
But it was fine. It was still horror movie horror movie. How is this not keeping your attention? I don't understand. But it was it was really genuinely scary, honestly. And the main couple of people really good. Yeah, it's just like they just did things really well. And there was some uniqueness in terms of how they did the possession stuff. But yeah, it was just really, really well done. I was really, really pleased.
00:09:06
Speaker
Can't wait to see it. I also haven't seen a horror movie in theaters in a while. So it was. Yeah, I was really impressed. Yeah, it's just so much better to see it in the theaters. I really think I don't know what it is. It just gets it gets me more scary. I started like three horror films just like this week and only got like 20 minutes in like just at my house because I'm just like, like when I'm home, it's like I don't have the attention span anymore. Like my brain is just like
00:09:35
Speaker
wants to do other things or wants to do multiple things at once. But when I'm in the theater, it's like, oh, okay, I'm shutting off my phone and I'm existing only in this space for two hours. And I like that. I know. It's so powerful. We never do that really ever except theater and movies. Just totally turn it off.
00:09:58
Speaker
Absolutely.
Alien News and Historical Context
00:09:59
Speaker
And I love it. But I love it. Amazing. Well, I'm excited to tell. No, no, no, I think that's probably it, honestly. But I'm excited to tell our audience that we're talking about aliens this week. Yes. I'm very excited. I'm also very scared. Do you feel scared? I it's funny, I've seen a lot of TikToks that I felt like kind of encapsulated how I feel about this, which is just like, I feel like I should be more affected by the news than I am.
00:10:27
Speaker
And yeah, you know what I mean? Like the world's like we have aliens. We have alien body. We have alien crafts. Also, you do have to go to work tomorrow. Also, what's for dinner? Also, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's like we're so over. We're just bombarded with crazy news and we have been for years now, like for the last four or five, six, like seven or eight years, I feel like
00:10:56
Speaker
We have just been hit with so many insane things that like, it's kind of like, okay, well, what's next? Like, okay, sure.
00:11:05
Speaker
Aliens, yeah, surprise me with something, come on. It's, I don't know, it's crazy. Totally. I totally get that feeling. And it is wild to be like, we are receiving this information and also all your daily tasks. It is really crazy. Yeah. But yeah, so I'm going to later in this episode. Shall I jump into? Oh, yeah, yeah. I was going to say, yes, I'm going to cover the congressional hearings a bit later in this episode. But Lauren had the smart idea to like,
00:11:35
Speaker
cover some older alien stuff to kind of get us started here.
00:11:41
Speaker
Yes. I know we've danced around some of the things I'm going to talk about. I think there might have been maybe your episode that you did. We've done abduction stories before where I feel like we've covered some of the general history stuff, but I'm just going to cover some things that were interesting to me and give us some context for what Felicia will talk about.
00:12:05
Speaker
Yeah, and I did try to look at our past episodes to remember what we had talked about. And yeah, I did. I talked about almost a year ago, this month, basically, August of last year, I think I had talked about like the Pentagon releasing those documents about us. And so like I had talked through some of that stuff, but also that was a year ago. So like, I barely remember it myself. So I feel like hit
00:12:32
Speaker
If you hit anything, I'll probably be surprised. Even if I talked about before, I swear. Yes, definitely. No, I feel the same way. So I'm going to start way back when.
00:12:43
Speaker
just because I think it's super interesting to think about. Way back in, let's say, 240 BC is the first time that people noticing in the sky and not knowing what they are is brought up, and that's Haley's Comet, which was recorded by Chinese astronomers in 240 BC.
00:13:07
Speaker
And then possibly as early as 467 BC was like the, or Hailey's comment was again talked about and just documented as like a strange and unknown guest light, which I love guest light in the sky. So obviously at that time people thought about it as, you know, religious omens or angels or gods. And so they didn't really understand in the same way that obviously we, you know, know about the universe and stars and everything else.
00:13:37
Speaker
So then kind of next thing I'm going to talk about really briefly, this was actually something that I think I covered on the podcast is in 1561, there was a celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg that people think was like an aerial battle, you know, between aliens or extraterrestrials. I remember that one. Yes. Which is crazy to think that far back.
00:14:02
Speaker
Yeah, so that you can find it's like in a it's basically just a picture that was in a newspaper at the time, basically, it was called a broad sheet. But you can go back and listen to that episode, I'm not going to go into it. But it's, you know, another kind of big point, I would say in like the history of UFOs.
00:14:21
Speaker
Then on January 25th, 1878, we have one of the first uses of the word saucer in relation to a UFO, which I also think is interesting to think about them being shaped over time. We have very similar sightings and similar shapes being seen.
00:14:40
Speaker
So this was in the Dennison Daily News. There was a printed article. I don't know if you're going to get into this, Felicia, but I think the funniest thing to me about UFO research is there is a lot of that stereotypical person in the middle of nowhere with a thick southern accent or this kind of stereotype of I saw something in the air. Yes. What's that called? Beer can
00:15:07
Speaker
What is it called? There's like a term for it, but it's like beard man. Wow, I feel like that should have come up in my research. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's probably a made up term. I'm sorry. Keep going. No, I love it. But it is like that stereotype does kind of exist. So that was a local farmer whose name is John Martin. He saw a large dark circular object flying incredibly fast. It's in the newspaper.
00:15:34
Speaker
And then really the next thing I'm going to talk about there was like a wave of UFO sightings across US newspapers with reports of airships from November 1896 to April 1897. Feels kind of similar to other UFO waves like the ones we probably know a little bit more about in like the late 40s, early 50s kind of time period. And then probably like the next
00:15:59
Speaker
The bigger thing I'm going to talk about was this another wave that began on June 24, 1947. I really can't remember if we've covered this at all, Felicia, so I'm sorry if we have. Wait, 1947? Yes. This was Kenneth Arnold. Do we ever talk about him? This isn't the one where he's being chased in his car, right?
00:16:21
Speaker
No, this is like so he's just a private pilot. He saw a string of nine shiny unidentified flying objects. And this was up in Washington state. It was like around Mount Rainer. And so he estimated that they were flying at speeds at a minimum of 1200 miles an hour, which is wild.
00:16:43
Speaker
This was the first post-World War II sighting that got nationwide news coverage and is credited as the beginning of modern era of UFO sightings.
00:16:58
Speaker
It started a big string of reports of flying saucer sightings. They became a daily occurrence. One famous example at that time is the Roswell incident in 1947, where remnants of a crashed observation balloon were recovered by a farmer and then confiscated by military personnel.
00:17:19
Speaker
During this time, there are a lot of specific stories that we could go into. We probably will in later podcast episodes, so I won't give too, too much detail to those. But the US Air Force officially coined the term UFO in 1952, which I thought was interesting. It feels like kind of late in some ways to me, but it was initially defined as those objects that remain unidentified after scrutiny by investigators.
00:17:49
Speaker
Now, I really feel like we use it for anything unidentifiable, regardless of whether it's been looked into or investigated. The first published book to use the word was authored by Donald E. Kehoe, which was called The Flying Saucers Are Real.
00:18:08
Speaker
So this was just a big time of UFOs in the late 40s into the 50s. There was a Trendex survey, which basically was just people doing research in August 1957, which was 10 years after Kenneth Arnold saw his UFOs. And in this report, it was that over 25% of the US public believed unidentified flying objects could be from outer space.
00:18:36
Speaker
which I think is a pretty high percentage for that time. Yeah, definitely. Especially before the internet, before, you know, great photography, like this was a time that, you know, it was like some grainy pictures in newspapers, I think, really. So people started to form saucer clubs, which I think is hysterical. So this is like UFO enthusiasts that like wanted to get together and do investigations or like research. I shouldn't say hysterical. I just think the word saucer clubs is funny.
00:19:06
Speaker
Well, I might want to be this was like a question. Yes. Yes. And we'll have pasta with sauce as well. Yeah, that's good.
00:19:21
Speaker
So anyway, several definitive books came out at that time, a lot was happening. But starting in 1947, the US Air Force started to really do their own research, start these kind of projects that will be a trend. So basically, they started with Project Sign, which was them investigating more than 250 cases from 1947 to 1949.
00:19:47
Speaker
And then it was replaced by Project Grudge up through 1951.
00:19:53
Speaker
And then I think probably the first one that I've heard ever knew about was this third US Air Force program that was called Project Blue Book from March 1952 up until December 1969. And in this work, they cataloged 12,618 sightings of UFOs. Isn't that crazy? That is a lot. That is too many.
00:20:20
Speaker
Right? And I know a lot of those, if you look into the details, and again, I'm not going to go too much into everything, but a lot of them are, they investigated and it was made up or they were easily explainable or all of these things, but that still is a high number to me of sightings of UFOs.
00:20:39
Speaker
Definitely. In the late 1950s, pressure started to mount for the US Air Force and the government to release these UFO records, but the CIA played a role in refusing to allow this. Nothing really was super released at that time.
00:20:58
Speaker
And then we have 1961 Barney and Betty Hill story. And that's one of the ones that Felicia covered. So they recounted, you know, very detailed memories while under hypnosis. And I don't know if there's anything else you want to add from your side about that story, but it's it's a, you know, super detailed story. I remember you think I remember covering that. That's why I said it was so long ago. Mm hmm.
00:21:27
Speaker
Just a nod and smile. It was very detailed. It was a very believable story in a lot of ways. What else do I want to say? There's a committee that was set up in 1966 to review the most interesting material gathered from Project Blue Book.
00:21:48
Speaker
It was a detailed study of 59 UFO sightings. Then two years later, this committee released the results. They did put this out to the public in some way. It was called the Condon Report.
00:22:04
Speaker
And this was basically 37 scientists that contributed. And the conclusion was that there was no evidence of anything other than commonplace phenomena in the reports and that UFOs did not warrant further investigation. Did you know this piece too? No, that's terrible. Yeah. Right? So I'm like, as recent as 1966, or I guess
00:22:31
Speaker
Yeah. And in 1966, when this came out, like people were still just like, nah, nothing to be worried about everybody. So this led to Project Blue Book being dismantled in 1969. So now I'm just going to say like some like,
00:22:48
Speaker
Yeah, right.
UFOs to UAPs: Terminology and Investigations
00:22:50
Speaker
So I'm just going to say like some fun facts and then I'll wrap up. But remember, I feel like this is, again, something that Felicia covered. But UAP, this like new term that we've been using, appeared in the late 1960s, actually, which again, I didn't know it went that far back. Yeah, I hadn't ever heard that until the Pentagon stuff last year.
00:23:10
Speaker
Exactly and what's super interesting is that it used to stand for unidentified aerial phenomena. But now the Pentagon has updated that terminology in December to be unidentified anomalous phenomena so it can actually be used for air sea or space.
00:23:30
Speaker
Oh, that's what that means. I was just looking at that. I wanted to make sure when I did my half of the episode that I remember what it stood for. And I was like, I don't remember that being what it was, what stood for. That's so crazy that they changed it. Yes. Are there aliens in the sea? Yes, I'm like, there's more scary things out there. So we have to make the term even more all encompassing. It was so scared.
00:23:54
Speaker
It's very scary. One of my favorite facts that I found is that scientists have sent aliens a mixtape. So in 1977, NASA created a mixtape to send to aliens, and it consisted of two LP records with tracks of global music, greetings in different languages, and sounds of the planet. I would be so thrilled to know what the sounds of the planet are.
00:24:22
Speaker
Well, also, what songs did they include? Did they include songs? And did those artists get alien royalties? And how do you even pick that?
00:24:31
Speaker
I don't know. Like, who's on it? I feel like... I wonder if I can see. Do we know? Michael Jackson. I don't know. That's all I got. Wait. Wait. Okay. Okay. Okay. Really, really quick. Rolling stuff. There are a variety of natural sounds. Surf, wind, thunder, and animals, including the songs of birds and whales. Wow. That's nice. I wonder like... Oh my God. Though here it is. Okay.
00:24:57
Speaker
So we've got Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and Stravinsky. I see the way they're going. Okay. Okay, classical scientists. Right. But it also has Chuck Berry. And I'm trying to think if any of these other ones stick out to me. I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know all these. Laurie Spiegel and... I don't know. Yes. So it was a different time.
00:25:24
Speaker
Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. Wait, blind Willie Johnson. This is crazy. I don't know. Sorry. No, it's okay. I wonder if the aliens were like, Oh, that's so cute. Um, but no, thank you. And they circled no on the will you date me thing that came with the mixtape and, and sent it back.
00:25:47
Speaker
Mason, I just don't like you that way. Can I tell you the most random story that has nothing to do with this? Yes. Okay. A mixtape story? Close. So I went from mixtape to Love Note, and now I'm going to tell you my most amazing, embarrassing Love Note story from when I was in church camp. Oh my God, I can't wait. Right before my fourth grade year,
00:26:14
Speaker
I had just moved to Maryland. So it was the summer before fourth grade. I guess they were trying to help me make friends. So they sent me to this like day church camp where I did meet friends. But there was this boy I thought was so cute. And so I was sitting behind him in the pews because it's church camp. And me and my friend wrote him a note that said, you're cute or something. I don't remember his name. I really wish I could. We're going to call him David. David.
00:26:44
Speaker
You're so cute. Do you like me? Circle yes or no. I passed it to this boy who was sitting in front of me at the pew. He opened it. He read it. He turned around. He threw it at me.
00:27:02
Speaker
Oh my god. I don't know why that story just came to me. He was so ferocious. He was just like, and threw it at me. And then Felicia Lobo never went to church again. And then I never went to church again, and it's his fault. It's his fault that, you know, that's the day I lost. Never mind. I'm about to, never mind. You lost Triffy?
00:27:33
Speaker
That has nothing to do with aliens. That's horrible. I don't know. It's kind of amazing though. I really appreciate him advocating for himself in that moment and saying no.
00:27:42
Speaker
I will say I'm having this like, yeah, in my new Zen place, there are times I'm just like, wow. Like there is, even though that is horrible, there is like, when people are horrible, there is something just fascinating, right? Where you're like, wow, you had no concern for my feelings. No concern in church. In church with the Lord's eyes on you.
00:28:11
Speaker
Oh man, that's cold. I was going to say there's only one last tidbit I'll throw in and then I'm going to give it over to you.
Alien Abduction and Government Cover-Ups
00:28:21
Speaker
But I will also say I realized I did not know that apparently you can get alien abduction insurance. Did you know this? From who? From who?
00:28:33
Speaker
So there's actually a great number of people who have taken out insurance and one insurance broker whose name is Mike St. Lawrence has been selling this insurance for 34 years and he sells the 10 million alien abduction insurance policy for just $25. A month or a year? I think total. I think for the rest of your life. I guess it's such a rare event that he feels like he'll never have to pay up.
00:28:59
Speaker
But I'm like don't you think like I feel like I would take advantage of that
00:29:04
Speaker
Yeah. I'd say actually I was abducted. Actually I was abducted and I'm going to do that 10 milli right now. Yeah. Yeah. The cost is a single lifetime premium of 24.95. Wow. 24.95. I mean, I guess it's just in case. It's not that much. Yeah. Should we do it now? Yeah, I guess. Did it go up? Anyway, that's it for me. That's amazing. That was so well researched. Good job.
00:29:31
Speaker
I tried. Honestly, there's so much more I could have done is the truth. So everyone do your own research. Don't yell at me. Don't yell at me either because everything I'm going to cover is kind of a mash of information.
00:29:56
Speaker
So basically, what I feel the need to talk about today is this congressional hearing that just happened featuring David Grush. Is that how you say his name? Grush? I think it is. I think so. Who is basically a UFO or UAP whistleblower and two other people that I'll mention in a second here.
00:30:22
Speaker
It happened, I guess, on what day was that? It's July 30th. So I think it was the 27th. Is that right? But just a few days ago. And he revealed some pretty freaking crazy info in this hearing about extraterrestrials. So and the government's knowledge and cover up of its understanding and contact with
00:30:52
Speaker
aliens, basically. So it's pretty exciting stuff. It kind of is like what I've been waiting for my whole life and that I it's like, you know, it's like the anticipation of something.
00:31:05
Speaker
is sometimes so much more exciting than the thing itself. It's like, I've always known this was coming and then it hit. And like I said earlier, I just was like, okay, what's for dinner? Like, it's just like, I feel like I should be even more flabbergasted than I am. But I think maybe because I always knew it was true. I'm just like, this is just what it is.
00:31:23
Speaker
Okay, so all right, so the three men that testified before a House subcommittee about UAPs, oh, sorry, it was on the 26th, July 26, 2023, in DC. So David is one of them. And then we also have another David, David Fravor. And we have Ryan Graves as well.
00:31:45
Speaker
So David Grush, he was in he was in the United States Air Force. He was officer and former intelligence official. And he had been in some like subcommittees and like about UFOs, I guess. Yes, he feels like it was time for the American people to understand
00:32:13
Speaker
what the government knows about this and the threats that come with it and blah, blah. And when I was watching, and I'm going to go through kind of the key points that he hit,
00:32:24
Speaker
But it really did feel like an episode of The X-Files. I watched a lot of X-Files. Totally. Yeah, yeah, I watched a lot of X-Files, I guess at the beginning of the pandemic, but it really felt like some of those key things. And I guess I'll just I'll just go for it. So these are not in the order of the hearing. These are just off, you know, the order. I feel excited about talking about them. And so first of all, he was like, yes.
00:32:48
Speaker
There are so many, as you said, so many UAPs. It's insane. They did mention the Tic-Tac 2004 sighting. I think that's one of the ones I did cover in that episode a year ago, but that these pilots had seen this Tic-Tac looking aircraft that was moving so fast that the G-Force would have killed a person.
00:33:17
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inside of it. So it was something that was going so fast, it was impossible for a human to be in there. She's so scary. I know, no. In the hearing, they say, would a human have been able to withstand that force? And they were like, definitely not. So they did talk about that and confirmed that. And that was one of the big things that we had looked at when the Pentagon released their documents.
00:33:42
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So there's that one. But then even more exciting was the fact, I guess, or the statement or whatever, I don't know. I guess he could be lying, but it doesn't seem like it. So that the US government does indeed have some of these aircrafts, UAPs.
00:34:00
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And not only do they have them from like crash sites, but they were asked if there was anything inside of them, basically like aliens. And he confirmed that yes, there was something, and he basically says, he doesn't say aliens, he says, I think he says non-human.
00:34:22
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which is somehow more unsettling. Right? It's just like so much more unsettling, but that they had uncovered, you know, I can't really use the word he used, but basically like biologics, which is basically, if that's the wrong word, I'm so sorry. But yeah, basically he was like, yes, we have alien bodies is basically what he said.
00:34:46
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So it's just like that in itself of just knowing that all of these stories that we've covered
00:34:55
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that have happened over the course of time at people that were called crazy. Or maybe they just told the truth, and then the government was like, oh, they're crazy. Don't listen to them, even though they've known the whole time. And they asked him, they asked David, how long has the government really had this stuff and known this stuff? And he was like, basically since the 40s and 50s. And it's like, OK. So crazy.
00:35:24
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It is crazy. And it's interesting because we know from some of the stories we've covered that that's when the big buzz around UFOs really started. And it's so interesting that the government was really able to play that off as like a cultural phenomenon that was based in fiction, when in actuality, they were like,
00:35:48
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finding crafts. And just and it was true. So that's crazy. It's so scary. It's so scary.
Public Right to Know and Future Implications
00:35:56
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Yeah, the human like them having alien bodies is like more unsettling than anything I think I've ever heard. I know. And once again, like, and this is so ex vials, too. But they also asked if anybody had been like hurt or punished and ever eventually they said murdered for to hold these secrets.
00:36:16
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of the government, like, you know, basically like, did the government kill people to keep these secrets from the population? And he basically says yes. It's scary. Yeah, which is just so that's that that was my ex spouse moment where I was just like, yeah, like the government will do anything to keep their secrets. And it feels sci fi, but it's also just true. It's just so freaking crazy. It scares me. Yeah, I know. I know me too.
00:36:45
Speaker
I just can't believe they murdered people. But also like I can because our government is horrible. Yeah, me too. Yeah, it's a horrible place how we live.
00:36:56
Speaker
So I'll say this. So from this hearing, the press around it and there's been a push from Congress that they need to basically like make laws that force intelligence agencies to be more transparent about what they know with the with the public, like all these insane incidents
00:37:21
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all the unknown objects that have posed a threat to national security in the United States airspace or around, that the public has a right to know about those things. To an extent, I understand both sides where
00:37:41
Speaker
There is this thing about the amount of threats that are coming in, not just from aliens, but from anything, are probably so often that the public almost doesn't need to know because it would disrupt daily life in a way that might be unnecessary. But at the same time, if we're being threatened by something that the general public can't even comprehend,
00:38:09
Speaker
It's like, but it's like, do we have a right to know? Do we have a right to know if we're being threatened in some way? Do we have a right to know this information? And I kind of think yes, because I'm like, I live in this country, I pay my taxes, whatever. Like, I'm just like, I think I, these like giant government secrets,
00:38:32
Speaker
I just feel like I deserve to know. And I think, I mean, other people agree and it's starting to happen. Like the fact that our government is putting out this information slowly but surely is, you know, a testament to that. But I think they want basically more laws that kind of force our government to do it because yeah, basically like legislation that's like meant to reveal government records.
00:38:58
Speaker
So, I don't know, we'll see. And it's like, I mean, we just got out of a global pandemic that like, I do think there was like so much misinformation and what was being shared and blah, blah, blah, blah, where it's like, yeah, this is like real and scary. And we have a history now of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but it's interesting because now that you've said that thing about the change of the
00:39:23
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the UAP, what it means. It really is so interesting to think about, you know, we covered the submarine crash or explosion, I guess. A few episodes ago, and this idea of like,
00:39:41
Speaker
things that humans cannot withstand. So I'm thinking about the tic-tac and the g-force of aliens like that. And even on our own planet, you can't go to a certain depth in the ocean or else you will just literally turn to dust. It's all these things that are just like, wow, as humans, we're only meant to survive in this one little
00:40:03
Speaker
bubble. And there are so many other creatures, and non humans or aliens or multitude of things that are able to survive in those elements. Like I'm thinking about like those deep city crazy looking fish. I'm thinking about aliens, I'm thinking about all these things, where it's just like, oh, it's so crazy, like how fragile humans are, in comparison to other
00:40:26
Speaker
things that we actually do know about is really interesting. Totally. And just like, I feel like too, like, you know, our ancestors are like, like humans used to die so much easier. That sounds awful, but I'm just saying like, yeah, death used to be, you know, everywhere. And I feel like we like have kind of kidded ourselves that it's like we, I mean, I feel like relatively protected in my daily life and it's like, all right, just a reminder that like you could drop dead at any moment.
00:40:54
Speaker
I know and I know and it's so horrible and like I've like recently not to be so dramatic but like like I just know a few people that have died in the last like year or two and it's just this thing where it's like oh like when I was young it felt so impossible like death felt not like a real threat to me do you know what I mean like when and when you're young totally normal to like think feel this kind of like invincible whatever but I even think that even now where I'm just like oh but it couldn't happen to me like something crazy like that wouldn't happen to me because I'm
00:41:24
Speaker
But I'm the only person experiencing my own consciousness, so I feel infinite in that way, but it's like you're not. And that's so scary. I don't know how this got so dark, but I'm scared. No, it's so scary. It's so scary.
00:41:40
Speaker
And I feel like too, because, you know, obviously we're so interested in this. I think we like, of most people, like I feel like I try to like compartmentalize, but it's like, it does. The existential dread is real. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah, so I'm excited to see what comes with this. If more stuff comes with this. Yeah. I'm, I'm very curious. I'm curious to see what happens. Keep everyone posted. Yes. Yeah. But that's, yeah, that's basically it.
00:42:08
Speaker
amazing. Well, thank you for doing it. I mean, obviously, it's so top of mind and so intense right now. You can watch hearing also like even James had sent me a great talk like there's a lot of people that have like covered it with like the footage and you can like watch everything and it's great. Oh, one last thing I'll say is
00:42:27
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Another thing that i was interested in appreciated so david. Rush he did also so there are certain things that he felt he said he couldn't say in a public forum like that.
00:42:38
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but that he would be able to discuss behind closed doors privately. So I'm curious like what those things are. And then he also provided them with a list of other people from the government or who had worked in these programs that would be willing to talk basically. So that is like a next layer, a next step that I think is going to be really interesting to see over the next year or so.
00:43:03
Speaker
what comes of like those names and if more those people are gonna be interviewed all that so that's kind of like the next the next step or next level I guess it's so scary and so yeah it's just it's there's a lot there's a lot right now yep yep yep well thank you everybody for walking on this journey with us yeah we hope you have some sweet sweet nightmares full of aliens yes bye bye