Introduction and Surprises
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Don't know how it happens, but it happens. I'm not i'm not unhappy ah with it. I'm glad to have y'all. But it I also thought we were going to get the aging geeks you know coming in. and and but But welcome aboard. No cap. All that. No cap. My dudes.
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Straight bussing. Other words as well. um Yeah. You know what else is straight bussing?
Silent Hill 2 Novelization Discussion
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What's that? Hey there everybody. Welcome back to Pixel It. My name is Kevin with me as always as Phil. On today's show, we are diving into a new book.
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We're returning to Silent Hill. yes we are. We are. Yeah. So this is the second time we've read Silent Hill 2. Yes.
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Yes, indeed. I remember someone recommended it on on Blue Sky and they're like, have you guys seen this? And I kind of glanced at it and I went, oh yeah, wait we read that. what that was Not even that long ago. What are we talking about? And then Kevin brought it up and I was like, what are you?
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We've read that, right? And I looked a little closer and I went, oh shit. Because I was not aware this movie was being made. Sure. Yeah. This is the novelization ah return ah of Return to Silent Hill, which is the movie-fication Silent Hill 2.
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Patreon and Silent Hill Movie 2006 Overview
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Um, Do it today. Double deep style. ah and style It's... Oh, God. It's... Anyway.
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So, just... Alright, so I'll talk... I'm not going to talk about the game again. um Because I've talked about the game before. And frankly, most people know this game. This game does not need much an introduction. We know what what it is, right? So, like...
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How did this movie happen?
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So 2006, you have your first Silent Hill movie adaptation, yeah which is a real wibbly wobbly loose adaptation of the Silent Hill games in general.
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um And ah it's it's pretty good. It's it's got some, it's got you know, you got your Sean Bean. you got ah you got alice You got the board Borg Queen herself, Alice Krieg, just really chewing the scenery. Oh, having so much fun as the baddie. Oh, my God. And she's so good at it. Yeah.
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Yeah. ah So there's that. And then ah it's directed by Christoph Gans. um Christoph Gans wants to do a sequel.
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um Eventually he he dies. I believe he does the sequel as well. um No, he he did. No, he didn't. He did not do the sequel.
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well ah So there's a sequel to the first Silent Hill movie. I've never seen it. ah i'm I should watch it. I should watch all all three in a row now. By the way, think so yeah we have watched the movie, ah in case you're wondering.
Critiques and Creative Edits
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Yes, guess were we are. We are caught up. We're caught up. um
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So, yeah, yeah. Anyway, that that the movie is, ah it ends up being made. this is the the third in the series. ah at Last year, it was ah it was in production. It was...
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like funded by like 50 different production companies. And oh, my God, it just kept going. we Me and my wife were watching it and cracking up because it would be one in association with in affiliate like con it was that it was literally the family guy bit where it really
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Where Peter's watching the movie and it's just new title card after title card after title card. It just kept going. felt like a joke. You're like, you're kidding, right? Like, we're still doing this. Okay.
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Yeah. So... We... we We watched the movie. ah The movie was ah released earlier this year to... ah what's the it What would be the inverse of rave?
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Like, not rave reviews, but like a similar word. ah Rave reviews. oh ah Calm.
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ah Stoic. Stoic would be... Let me sli it we were look it up here, Lee. um Condemnation. Condemnable reviews. Condemnable reviews. I like that. Let's go with that.
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Let's go with that. Didn't do much at the box office. ah And, ah you know, it it it happens. And I suggest you all watch it. ah But I bring it up because i ran this by Phil. i I am tempted to edit the movie myself.
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I'm tempted to take what we got, which is an hour and 45 minutes, shave a good 30 minutes off of it and see if I could kind of save it because i was watching it and I was like, I think I can save it a little bit. I can't do anything about the performances in the movie.
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No, but no. The performances actually kind of work in that weird Silent Hill way that. ah Because it is little stilted. It is a is little stilted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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the The Silent Hill 2, like the original Silent Hill 2 is basically, you know, it's two people. It's like two people talking to each other and it's the first time they've ever conversed with anybody in human history. It's true.
Novelization Challenges and Author Background
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Like two aliens that just learn human communication. Yeah. um So anyway, my fucking stupid Elgato. Elgato.
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You've done nothing for ah for your ah your marketability here, Elgato. Yeah. Yeah. Camera hub. Our dozens and dozens of fans know what you're up to. Dozens of fans know. ah Anyway, Phil, ah who had the hell wrote this book?
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And ah deeper than that, oh who is responsible for forcing them to ah write a book based on this manuscript or or yeah script? Yes.
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Yes, that's exactly it, because we are in a in a ah new position with this, because I think that it would not be fair ah to focus solely on the author of this novel novelization, John Passarella, when he is not the person who wrote the script and he's only working with what he was given. um and And it's even further removed from the source material. ah So, but excuse me.
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Oh, I beg your pardon. ah So. John Passarella, he's another one of our guys. He's another one of our right for hire guys. ah Probably most of his work ah was done with a he did a lot of supernatural stuff. He did a lot of Buffyverse stuff and he did some Grimm, if anyone remembers Grimm.
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I remember him. Yeah. Yeah. He's it's ah so he's he's got he's got he's got creds and full full credit to him for that. And he's got his own stuff that he's written. Wither is this kind of long standing series that he's done. I don't know much about it, but he has been cranking that sucker out, ah which is pretty impressive. He also did the ah the movie novelization for the Halloween remake 2018.
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which is kind of cool. Um, he does a lot of horror. He's, he's got, he's got his hand in this shit. Um, so that's, that's cool. Um, But I also think it's very important to focus on the screenwriters of this piece.
Screenwriters and Director's Career
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The main one being ah our old friend, Christoph Gantz, who wrote, ah he's the first author mentioned on this and the only one with any career. It's also got Sandra Voan. I think that's how you pronounce her name, who he has written,
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work with in the past and will schneider who has uh i believe mostly just produced uh pretty much isn't he doesn't well no he's done he's done he's written a lot of shorts uh you see a lot when you go to his imdb page you get a lot of shorts that he's written and directed lot of horror stuff um some music videos very short form shit uh uh that's who we're dealing with and christoph gans uh has a weird career because he has not filmed a shit ton of movies.
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Uh, it, it feels like it's every five to, to, you know, 10 years, uh, depending on, on, uh, uh, what, you know, decade you're talking about, but right but a lot of the stuff he's written is stuff that people would know, uh, or, well, he did write it as well. He, everything he's directed is also written. Uh, he made the adaptation of the manga crying Freeman, uh, in 1995.
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which has some like, I don't know why it makes me think of Highlander. It does. It's a Yakuza kind of sword fight, ah melodrama kind of thing. And in 2001, he did Brotherhood of the Wolf.
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Right. Which is like, I remember that being one of those, it was that was like a, that was a French, French horror film that like it really penetrated over over in the US. I remember it clearly.
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it had a real cult following that one. Yeah. ah And i remember in particular because I was super into cryptozoology when it came out in 2001 because I'm ahead of the curve. And everyone in that community was talking about it because it is based on ah the stories of of like ah a great wolf thing, a werewolf or something like that in France ah in seventeen hundred so i want to say.
Nostalgia and Passionate Filmmaking
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ah And then five years later, he wrote and directed Silent Hill in 2006, which I remember I got free tickets to go to see that because I worked at a game store in Pittsburgh and somebody came by and asked if we wanted free tickets to see this movie. And I said, sure. Yeah, I know this. I know Silent Hill. Sure. And it is it is.
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not good, but it also at the time may have been the best video game adaptation out there. Right. And I still love it. I watch it every now and then, and I think it holds up. I think it's awful in all the right ways. And creepy and disturbing, and he hired dancers to play Pyramid Head and the nurses. So you've got not only do you have practical effects, you've got these really limber people who can do that crazy movement and the isolation movement. so
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It's kind of extraordinary, all the shit that he the the the attention ah that he put into it, especially when you consider ah ah ah the movie that he made 20 years later. um But and then in 2014, he made a Beauty and the Beast adaptation ah with with ah with the Sandra of Oan and. um That one didn't. None of these.
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i don't think there's a single one of these that got rave reviews. He is he is not. He's not a Uwe Boll level. ah Right. Well, Uwe Boll does it for the sake of like, I'm pretty sure there's some sort of money laundering.
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Oh, yeah. There's tax. It's a tax thing. Yeah. He's. Yeah. yeah he's He's taking advantage of the German government. That's exactly. Yeah. going um Yeah. And so there's there's a.
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The thing you can say about Christoph Gans when you watch his films is that he is passionate about this shit. He actually cares. um Well, at least I could say that up until this movie, because this movie was bad. And you know what's fascinating about... So on a whim, I just looked up budgets, right? So this movie, the Return to Silent Hill's budget was $23 million. What? What?
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What did they spend that money on? Well, what's crazy is the original Silent Hill movie was $50 million. What? So $50 million in 2006 versus million 20 years later.
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So the original budget for Silent Hill in today's money is
Financial Constraints and Adaptation Challenges
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you know, ah yeah. it's it's It's a lot. it's ah Yeah. So...
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I think you can say there's probably some... He probably was limited in a number of aspects, but yeah those limitations don't necessarily...
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I'm going to say those limitations aren't the reason why this movie doesn't work. And and and book and story in general doesn't work. Yes. And yes and I, yeah, and we're going to get in. And I do think that that is an important distinction ah because I did find myself when I was reading. I'm glad that I watched. I literally watched the movie and then that night began reading the book.
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And I'm glad I did it that way um because it helped me to go, oh my God, what the fuck is he writing about this for? And I well, that was in the fucking movie, wasn't it? Like it was, it
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there's you know And ah my wife, who is not a gamer, ah ah and but has watched Silent Hill with me, um she you know she was she was talking about, she made a really good point. She said, I think the most frustrating thing is there are really scary elements to this, but they didn't come up with them. Konami did. you know right oh it's yeah They can't even take credit for that.
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Yeah. um Yeah. So, so, you know, we're going to go ahead and we're going to put this body into Toluca Lake. Let's do it. Let's tell you when I tell you, when I tell you, when I tell you, when I tell you,
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It's topical because it's the topic it's that's the lake in Silent Hill. Do you get it? You get it? He drove into it, you know? Drove into it. in it Spoilers. in Yeah.
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If you don't know the and the main ending of Silent Hill 2, one of the most common endings of the game is he drives into the water. then i I don't know what to tell you. It's been 25 years. There is a statute of limitations after a while. There's also been the remake, and it's also not the only ending, so we didn't spoil those either. um All right.
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So chapter one, James Sunderland is driving his Mustang through ah the mountains of New England. They're not New England. There are no mountains that look like New England. It looked like they were in Switzerland. was like...
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This is Germany. This is, this is not New England's mountains. kept expecting like the, the, the sound of music score to start playing. It was like, that's like, this is not New England. I don't know what the fuck would they think they're fooling here.
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So he was recommended to these, this area by his friend, Leo. Um, He's driving. he he He drops a cigarette while he's driving. And by the way, james drive James Sunderland driving a Mustang, that is not a James Sunderland car. I'm sorry. Not really. No. ah They're they're off off almost immediately in this guy's characterization. ah He drifts into oncoming traffic, ah nearly hits a logging truck, fishtails, and then ah nearly he does run over a suitcase.
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belonging to a woman named Mary Crane. And ah he breaks her suitcase. It's kind of meet-cute situation. They're like, ah I'm James, I'm Mary. um And then the bus shows up and he's he's like, all right, I'm going to help you catch get on the bus.
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And the suitcase spills out and the bus leaves without her. Now, i will say in the in the book... the author, John Passarella, makes a good point of actually writing in dialogue for the bus driver saying that he has a schedule to keep because in the movie, like Mary's just like, Mary's just like, I guess you can leave.
Character Critiques and Unrealistic Elements
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My suitcase is five feet away from me, but I'm never going to get on the bus in time. And it was just like, i was like,
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What is happening here? Just pick up, just fold it and just get on the dang bus. This whole thing doesn't happen if she would have just picked up her goddamn suitcase and gotten on on the bus. It doesn't right make any sense. I don't care that the latch is broken. tug it Tuck it under your arm.
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Move on. it's like Exactly. We've all had to do this. But, you know, Mary is a little bit naive. She's she's she's she's lived a weird life. She sure has.
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So they introduce themselves. It's about to start raining. ah ah James is like, oh I'll drive you back into town. um Instead, James, instead of being like, I'll drive you to where you were going because I'm not from here and I broke your suitcase. He's like, no, I'll drive you back home.
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And she correctly says, I don't know you. I don't know you. ah Then there's a sudden storm and she's like, it's a it's a silent hill storm. um Anyway, chapter two. ah we This is a flashback. Chapter one. Chapter two is present day. ah James is drunk. He's in a bar. He's ignoring his phone.
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ah Somebody just called identified as M is constantly calling him. And he he passes out and the waitress is like, you should leave. And he does. But he accidentally knocks her over and the drinks over. And then he also shoves the bouncer.
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And then the bouncers basically say, OK, fuck this guy. And ah they throw him out into the alley. And he answers his phone this time. And it's M calling. And what the hell?
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It's so dramatic. M is calling and she's his therapist who calls him at 11 o'clock at night. And you're like, no fucking therapist is not going to do this. i I think I think any good therapist would be like, oh, we need boundaries here. We need boundaries.
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ah So M tells him to go home, get some sleep and come to his appointment tomorrow. Um, he gets back to his, his apartment and he finds a envelope that's addressed to him with a return address of silent Hill.
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And inside of it is a handwritten note from Mary begging him to come back. Um, He tries calling her number, gets a disconnected message, and then he grabs his car keys and and and leaves. He's going back to Silent Hill.
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ah And ah he reaches the area, the turnoff for Silent Hill, and finds that it's been blocked by construction barriers and all that stuff.
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And ah he parks the car. It's raining. Cats and dogs. He falls asleep. And then when he wakes up, everything has turned to ash.
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um what's crazy is the bus came from the direction of Silent Hill in the beginning. if that If that entrance is where Hill... There's no reason for the bus to come from that. Either either way, for that to be... but i Either there is a bus stop in Silent Hill... Right.
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Or there's... it doesn't make sense. That's so, I had no idea. That's hilarious. Yeah. That makes no sense whatsoever.
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Which makes in the in the game, it makes more sense that this is just the ah tourist stop. This is just where people stop to like take a look at the lake. And that's what it looks. It looks like one of those overlook stops. Yeah. Like yeah you just pull off the side, take a selfie and then leave. It's not the bus stop.
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There's no reason for this to be the bus stop. If the bus is coming from the direction of the town, it would have a stop in the town. um Anyway. Yeah.
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So, chapter three, James wakes up again. um End of chapter There's going to be a lot of that, by the way. He's going fall asleep and wake up and fall asleep and wake up a lot. He goes into the restroom um and ah looks at his face in the mirror and they do the shot for shot remake of him like touching his face from the video game itself. um And then he pulls out letter Mary's letter and he it's it's all gone. The ink has dissolved the the letter. Yeah.
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So he decides to go down the deer trail into Silent Hill and he's using his phone's flashlight. And ah he finds a well at the bottom of the trail and he starts drinking from it. And then he sees ah sees a sign saying that the water is contaminated.
James' Journey and Town's Atmosphere
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yeah um And then ah suddenly an image of Mary flashes in front of his eyes. She looks ah dead, dead, deadish. So he continues walking. He goes into ah through an iron gate and he realizes, hey, this is the cemetery. i know this place and he encounters a woman named Angela. This is where we meet Angela in the game.
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ah Except in this story, she is stacking sandbags against the floodwater that are as encroaching on the graves. um And she has stacked so many sandbags.
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Yeah. She's got to ripped. She's got to be ripped. Also, Angela in the movie is played by the same woman who played Mary. um Yeah.
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Basically, every woman in this is played by the same woman who played Mary. Yep. Except for his therapists, whose name begins with an m violating my main role of don't. That's right. Characters the same letter ah name. If you can. i literally I literally changed the name of a character in a piece I'm working on ah because of that rule. Kevin, I want you to know that it was it was because of you.
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ah it's a good rule It's good rule. Now in Silent Hill 2, it's used effectively. It's not a rule. It's more of like a guideline. Silent Hill 2 works. ah And, ah you know, and George R.R. Martin does it fucking all the time.
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Well, when he's got 47 characters per chapter, you're going to run out of letters. It's fine. Exactly. um But in this case, ah The therapist just didn't need to be named M. We already have two primary characters that need to be Mary mary and Maria. We don't need a third who is wholly unrelated. Right. it's Yeah, it's one thing if they're like, it would be weak, but it would at least make sense if you're like trying to connect them all. But yeah, no.
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Yeah. um Anyway, ah Angela is like, yeah, the town's fucked up. ah Shit happened. Shit's real bad. There's some been some fires. There's been some contaminated water. You should leave.
00:25:33
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James is like, how do I get into town? And Angela is like... What did I just say? and then she points them towards the Capitol. The Capitol?
00:25:47
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Capitol. Yeah, sure. The Capitol. The Capitol, obviously. That's the that's where the chapels... ah vote on bills. Yeah, they delegate. the They delegate there.
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yeah ah She points to that direction and James walks away ah and he starts hearing voices and in the book they actually ah the author does a pretty good job of being like it was probably his his senses basically just trying to make sense of whatever he is hearing. Like It's just like misfiring neurons.
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um So he gets to the chapinal and ah within a few minutes and it's it's covered in ash and it's overgrown and the fields look like shit.
00:26:37
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It's nothing like you remembers. Blue blue blue blue blue. There we go. Uh-oh. Are we establishing a structure for this book?
00:26:47
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We sure might be, could, sir. sure might be. Chapter four is flashback. Chapter four is a lovey-dovey scene between James and Mary as he paints her while they have a picnic near the chapel. The romance shit is gross. It is is genuinely gross. Yeah. hi He touches her breasts.
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Um... They discuss James possibly moving to Silent Hill to be with her, and she brings up that she might actually be a scary person if he gets to know her. And he's like, ah, and then they make out a little bit and she gets a nosebleed.
00:27:23
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john And this is a foreshadowing nosebleed, not so much a ah like an anime nosebleed. ah Right, right. it's not a crushed nosebleed. Yeah.
00:27:35
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ah Chapter five. James reaches Silent Hill by foot and notices how fucked up everything is and that the movie theater is showing a double feature of Jacob's Ladder and The Tenet. Congrats. We've hit two books in a row referencing media that's better than what than it is.
00:27:50
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Stop doing this. What are you thinking, guys? Ring the bell. Ring the bell. done it again. Oh, yes. but thats Sound the trumpet. It's happened.
00:28:04
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I'm going to hyper-focus on this. Every time we read a book that references something that's better than it, I'm going to ah call it out because this is amazing.
00:28:17
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Big brass bell, just clang, clang, clang. ah Jacob's Ladder. ah One of my editing mentor had something to do with that.
00:28:28
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Let's see. That movie's fucking bonkers. Yeah. Let's see. do do two I think he was like the sound editor or something like that. That's cool.
00:28:42
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Yeah. Full cast and crew. Where's the full cast and crew? But yeah, it was, ah ah you you wouldn't have had any classes with him. No, probably not.
00:28:54
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BJ Sears. Oh, I know the name, but yeah, I never had any classes. Yeah, he the professor who did the, ah like the um steampunk stuff.
00:29:11
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Oh, okay. i Again, I heard about that stuff. Okay, he was ah he was an editor on it. Yeah, BJ Sears. Cool. Yeah. He was the editor for... Okay, so he was the editor for ah The Unbearable Lightness of Being. Okay. Where Sleeping Dogs Lie, Storyville, ah Virtuosity...
00:29:37
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Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. ah Turbo, a Power Rangers movie. Oh, wow. Yeah. Awesome.
Horror Influences and Creature Descriptions
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And he worked in the editorial department for Jacob's Ladder, Henry and June.
00:29:52
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And he worked. He was the sound editor Amadeus. amadedaus oh Such a good fucking movie. BJ Sears. Rest in peace, BJ Sears. ah He passed away some time ago. He was he was a really interesting guy.
00:30:07
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um Amazing career. Holy shit. That's cool. shit yeah Yeah. And a great professor. I loved him. um But yeah. So ah to to to do Jacob's ladder. Yeah.
00:30:23
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ah James sees one of the classic Silent Hill to armless creatures off in the distance and ill also find some random environmental storytelling that says run away. yeah James finds an unhoused man in an underpass with a radio playing box aria from suite three in D major.
00:30:39
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The man is in the latter stages of gangrene and James Nimbys on out of there. Yes. yeah
00:30:49
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Not my problem, people. Someone better help. He's like, I better call. I mean, I'm I better call Gavin Newsom to get this guy. Yeah.
00:31:01
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hill'll He'll get out there with a crowbar and a bad ass. Gavin Newsom. make it fucking ignore the armless guys, but but yeah. um Gavin Newsom, by the way, is terrible. I want you yeah all to know that. If you're listening to the podcast, we have time. that yeah There's so much time between now and the president. We don't need Gavin Newsom.
00:31:21
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He is a piece of shit. And just because his social media staff is funny and posts funny videos, and that's also not Gavin Newsom. It's his staff.
00:31:31
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His staff is doing it. Yeah. Right. yeah He's got a good staff. He just gave them. He gave them carte blanche to do it. So ah he's a piece of shit. Anti-trans hates homeless people.
00:31:42
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Just a real motherfucker. um And I'm going to go ahead and say it. Not a fan. We're not a fan of Gavin Newsom. um Anyway, the ah he he gets a call from m And M is like, hey, what the fuck? You missed your appointment? And James is like, yeah, but Mary ah ah sent me a letter. And M is like, what? You got to stop doing this, James. She's dead.
00:32:10
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Oh, wait, sorry. We haven't said that yet. Never mind. You got to stop doing this, James. Forget I said anything. Forget I said anything. um Then james he hangs up and James sees the bar, Heaven's Night, and decides to go in for old time's sake.
00:32:24
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Biggest change between this and the game is that Heaven's Night was clearly a strip club in the game. Yes. They they really softened a lot of things. ah The character himself ah being definitely not the the least of which. Yeah. He's an artist, by the way. If I haven't mentioned that, he's an he's an artist.
00:32:43
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Yeah. Yeah. we We see his very... vaguely bad paintings throughout the film as well. ah It's just... from a if I'm sure his DeviantArt account is is very well followed.
00:33:00
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He's got a lot on DeviantArt. Absolutely. So we flash back to Heaven's Night from question mark years ago. James is being introduced to all of Mary's friends, but first we get James losing his shit over the fact that there's a cat in the bar.
00:33:15
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Oh, my God. Kevin. Kevin, there's a cat in this bar. There is a cat in this bar. i don't think you guys get what kind of crazy boho shit are you up to.
00:33:27
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There's a cat in the bar. In the bar. Seriously, he will not let it go. He really just Chandler bings the shit out of it. Yeah. Oh, God.
00:33:39
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Yeah. i Somebody else who would have made a better James. ah problem Oh, God. oh That would have been more believable yeah if we're going with the original ah storyline and whatnot. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
00:33:53
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um kick Chandler killed Monica.
00:34:00
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And it just cuts to that clip of him in the bath going, I've had a really hard day.
00:34:07
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Oh, we go through're all the characters. I'm not going to talk about them individually. So because there's just so many of them and there's only one who keeps getting like brought up over and over again. And maybe I'll bring, I'll mention that. I'll mention them as they come up, but it's like five pages of like, there's this character and that character and this character.
00:34:27
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And in the film, they're just kind of very quickly looked at and yeah a bit glossed over, which I think is the point. It's supposed to be this kind of overwhelming flash of strange fucking people that are making him uncomfortable and creeping him out. But they're a part of ah it's actually you think about it. It's a pretty good satire of that moment when you're like meeting your girlfriend's family for the first time. And and it's just nobody's comfortable.
00:34:57
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ah and I'm not blaming the author, but it's like in the novelization, it's kind of
Narrative Techniques and Psychological Depth
00:35:03
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stretched out. So i was like, this guy had this haircut and he looked this way and it's just not, it doesn't work. It just, it just doesn't does that work.
00:35:10
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No. So, ah and there's a creepy set of identical twins also. ah Cause of course, where we would horror movie would we have here if it didn't have, yeah.
00:35:23
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ah James tells Mary's friends how they met and this shocks them and James regrets telling them and also decides not to tell them about how they had sex later. Chapter seven. We are in a flashback within a flashback and it's literally just to show that James and Mary made out.
00:35:40
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ah And then we're back. That's chapter seven and chapter eight. We're back to the first layer of flashback. Thank God. We get the more of the friends being weird and talking about how mary Mary was the apple of her father's eye. All the friends talk about her dad like he's some sort of cult leader.
00:36:00
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ah And the friends say the folks of Silent Hill have an us versus the world mentality. And then they do a toast and Mary pulls James out for some slow dancing. And then Mary's like, yeah, my friends are odd. And then she lays out what all of our friends do for work and how the twins constantly switch personalities to fuck with people.
00:36:18
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Sounds fun. Chapter nine. James is still standing in heaven's night thinking about the past when he hears someone screaming. It's the unhoused man and he's been melted by some black goo.
00:36:29
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ah The radio begins to distort. Gavin Newsom's been here. yeah avenue spin that our shows Gavin Tell him Gavin Newsom sent you.
00:36:41
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It spits at him and misses him, but he watches it corrode some stuff. He finds a pipe and he beats the armless man ah with it and he runs away it and it runs away into the suber sewer.
00:36:53
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He's like, I should follow it. And then a bunch of armless show up and he's surrounded. And then a siren blares and begins to turn a Silent Hill into the rest zone from Sonic the Hedgehog. Jane hits a few...
00:37:04
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It's so bad. Oh, God. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We're talking about the book, not the movie. ah Book, not the movie. we Got it. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. Book, not focus on the book. But also this scene is terrible in the movie. so bad.
00:37:17
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It's so bad. James hits a few of them over the head ah to show off his combat prowess, but then runs away. And ah he runs past the automotive store, which triggers a flashback.
00:37:31
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Chapter 10. We flash back to a time when James is pulled over by a cop for having a broken taillight. And it's all power play by Mary's detective friend, Dara, to be hit like, hey, we we got you anytime we want you, bucko. And then he goes to the automotive store to get this his taillight fixed. And that's why the automotive store triggered the flashback.
00:37:54
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James returns to present in his mind palace and he remembers to keep running. He sees creepy cockroach. Thank God for that. Creepy cockroach monsters, but they have tiny human bodies. Now, this is the coolest design in the entire movie. These cockroaches.
00:38:09
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yeah I hated it in the best way possible. it is It is upsetting and good. i really enjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah. He fights and runs, runs and fights, and then he sees another storefront.
00:38:20
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Fashion boutique. And he goes inside. Chapter 12. Guess what time it is? Time for a fucking flashback. but Strap in, motherfuckers. Strap in, motherfuckers. We're we're going back through for James's life. It is... it is... ah it is... ah Fuck the movie with... ah Where the angel comes and it's... No, no. I just... I just want it to be... It is fuck the movie. Fuck the movie.
00:38:55
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Stop drilling your bit oil. I want... I want that. I want that to be.
00:39:03
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ah It's a wonderful life. The movie. Oh,
00:39:10
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I love it. Starring Jimmy Stewart. oh fuck. Oh, fuck. Fuck.
00:39:22
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Oh, God. ah And ah someone else starring Jimmy Stewart and someone else. Anyway. Someone else is involved, I'm sure. It's where Mary used to work, and there's so much description about the store. Anyway, James is there to take Mary out for lunch.
00:39:39
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Her co-worker, Caitlin, who is also in the bar scene, tells James about a mother who is there with her daughter. it's like, hey, that mom had a bunch of stillbirths. James is like, cool.
00:39:50
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ah Also, your girlfriend's a workaholic. Also, she's loaded. And he's like, great. And then they go to lunch and Mary talks about how it's liberating to get out of the store.
00:40:01
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And she talks more about how her father was a cult leader and all that. And that she has a trust funds, but she can't touch it unless she promises to stay in Silent Hill. So which makes perfect sense.
00:40:14
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Geofencing the trust funds. There you go. There it is. ah Chapter 13. James goes into the boutique and calls out for Mary, but she isn't there. James, you fucking dumb dumb. We get very explicit detail of each room of the boutique as he checks it out.
00:40:30
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And then he carries on. He goes outside and begins running from the roaches again and accidentally drops his weapon. He finds his way into the apartment building and he gets in through an opening in the fence and blocks the door.
00:40:41
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As he looks around the building, his phone begins to die and he puts into low power mode. And then he has a vision of Mary bloody and naked. ah She's all out of faith. that She's looking for something real.
00:40:53
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ah John, I'm all out. You know where I was going with that. i got it. I'm following. I'm picking up what you're putting down.
00:41:03
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You're Natalie when I'm Bruglia. Yeah.
00:41:12
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And then his light died. ah Chapter 14. What time is it? It's flashback o'clock. ah what We get a flashback about the time that James moved into these very same apartments. And he finds out that all of Mary's friends also live in this apartment building. And it's really weird.
00:41:30
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Caitlin sees one of the naked paintings of Mary that James has painted and she's like, whoa, no one paints our Lord and Savior like that. But then she starts caressing the painting and James is like, what the fuck? um I mean, I do that, but you should stop.
00:41:45
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You should stop. um ah Mary says it's a lot of pressure living with her friends. And James is like, I'm here for you, baby. And they make out. Yeah. ah Chapter 15. We get more descriptions of how decrepit the apartment building is before James comes upon Caitlin's apartment, starts calling out for Mary and Caitlin.
00:42:05
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Eventually, he goes inside and finds a bunch of random VHS tapes. And then he gets a call from M, who is like, what the fuck? And James is like, look, it's not you. It's me. And then his phone dies for real. ah And then he sees ah ah an apartment that has a light on on the next floor up.
00:42:21
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And then chapter 16, he climbs up to the next apartment from the balcony. it looks like there's someone inside, but there isn't. It's a mannequin wearing Mary's clothes. He also finds an old timey flashlight that's bright as fuck and a creepy cubby with the bust of a man.
00:42:37
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And that'll stop us for for this evening. um Bring us to a screeching halt for the evening. So, like, here's the thing. The movie has less flashbacks, but not zero flashbacks, which is what i If I was editing the movie re-editing the movie from what we have, yeah I am eliminating 100% of the flashbacks.
Silent Hill Series Narrative Discussion
00:43:01
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Yes. i would I would delete every flashback... maybe keep some of his interact flashback interactions with Mary, make them more abstract though, and yeah get rid of m as a character. Just like, Oh my God. Yeah. And basically the way i would recut the movie is i would have it start with him driving back to silent Hill in the rain.
00:43:23
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And then i would lay over the voiceover of her letter from the game and not the dumb voiceover. Like, why would you rewrite that?
00:43:36
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why They rewrote it in the movie. Just use the one... It's like the one you have is pretty goddamn good. where We're good. It's like it's iconic. Just use it. it's It's ridiculous. There's so much wrong. with it i mean, this is kind of the definition of the film where it's like they don't they don't trust the audience to not be complete fucking dumb asses.
00:44:01
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Right. and spen we're talking about the i mean We're talking about the movie and the book at the same simultaneously here, but yeah yeah yeah the book goes along in the same vein because it's based on a movie that it's it's kind of like that weird thing where
00:44:20
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ah It happens in... It's the worst thing that happens in adaptation is where the adaptation tries to fix problems that aren't problems. um And some of the gaps in Silent Hills in silenton hills storytelling are not problems.
00:44:37
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You don't need to know anything about James and Mary outside of what the game told you. Right, right. And that's... And this... The movie...
00:44:50
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Wastes so much time on these justification things of like Mary is was the daughter of a cult man and he's and I guess that's kind of sort of tying it into the the mainstream lore of Silent Hill because Silent Hill 2 is kind of like it stands apart right?
00:45:13
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Yes. stands apart from the rest of the series. Yeah. in terms of what what is happening. and so and And Silent Hill F, which is the first silent hill game new Silent Hill game and in in ever, ah kind of does the same thing, right? It kind of stands apart from that lore in that Silent Hill, it's more about the...
00:45:36
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<unk>s as As friend of the show alexfa Alex Fasciani always says whenever they're playing it on Scary Game Squad, ah mental purgatory. um Yeah. um So, yeah. ah Anyway,
00:45:53
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um the book is, here's the thing with the book, is the writing is fine. Mm-hmm. It's better than Tex Murphy's was.
00:46:07
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Oh God. Yes. Yes. But Tex Murphy was bad in more interesting ways. Oh, what it's an interesting way to put it. Yeah. Does that make sense? I think so. Yeah. I, I, I, I think I see what you're saying because, and I, and I don't disagree because I, when reading this, having just watched the movie and I'm reading this,
00:46:34
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And I was able to connect the dots where there are lots of moments where I'm like, why is he elaborating on this scene? And then you think about the movie and how little it gave you, despite how long it was, it was not two hours long, but it felt like it was three hours long.
00:46:50
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Yeah. And, and, but despite all that, it gave you very little to work with. And so I'm like, of course he had, they were, they were, they were like, look, we need, 60,000 words or some goddamn thing, whatever it is. And and he's like, we need that.
00:47:05
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and And he's like, how? How am I going to do that? So there are these moments. And well, first and foremost, ah and usually adaptations to films are based on the screenplay before the film is finished.
00:47:20
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ah And so there is often. Yeah, there's screenplay and there's there there might also be like some treatment issues. Exactly. They're allowed access to that had more information than what made it into the the screenplay itself. final cut. Yeah. and and that And that's just it. So sometimes there are there are ah you know discrepancies between the two ah or or it's just somewhat different. And and that actually can make for a very interesting reading.
00:47:48
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But So we don't know how much of this is stuff that was in the original screenplay. ah But I kind of I can't help but feel bad for John Passarella. I think he I really honest to God think he's just doing the best he can with the materials material he's got. It's like Hayden Christensen in the Attack of the Clones. It's like he's a perfectly serviceable artist, but he's been given garbage to work with. What what what do we expect from him? You know? Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:18
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Yeah. um Watching Shattered Glass changed my tune on Hayden Christensen. Did you ever see that movie? Shattered Glass. So it came out in between episodes two and three of of the Star Wars. And basically Hayden Christensen plays a um He plays a journalist for, i want to say it's the New Republic or or something like that.
00:48:45
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He plays a journalist who basically, he makes up a story. And ah to to try to like get more, it's based on a real story.
00:48:56
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um And it's just this this cat and mouse game between him and the editor-in-chief like trying the editor in chief, trying to check to like catch him in a lie about his sources for this story. Cause like ah something about it just doesn't pass the sniff test. And you have, so you have Hayden Christians, his character, like making fake websites,
00:49:20
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generate like doing all these things to basically cover up the fact that he made up a story and he was pretty dang good in it if I recall correctly just playing somebody who's basically at their wits ends trying to get away with this lie yeah um and it's and i was like oh okay so he can do it yeah he's he's a perfect but He's a perfectly serviceable
Actor Defense and Creature Descriptions
00:49:49
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actor. He's not a bad actor. He just was given a garbage script.
00:49:52
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ah One of my coworkers actually got to meet him at a a con just this past weekend. And ah she told me she was going to meet him. And I said, oh, and my coworkers 24, 25. And I said please, ah jokingly, I said, please,
00:50:10
Speaker
uh, tell him that your coworkers are millennial and want wishes to offer his sincerest apologies. Uh, uh, we were not, we were not good to him. Uh, and she goes, yeah, what was up with that? And I had to kind of like go through, ah the new trilogy and like, and the prequels and like how at the time we didn't get a new star wars thing every three or four months you know and and and we were a little more crazy and it was it was different it was just and i'm not excusing it uh at all it was just a different time and you could really tell that she was like i i think i really gave her a like god the older people are fucking nuts i'm like yeah we are you're right
00:50:52
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Yeah, you're correct. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah. um Yeah. So I guess, Phil, what are your thoughts on the book? If honest you have any more. Basically what we've said here. it's it's it's i i it's not It's not great in its own ways. ah right it feels It feels padded. ah It feels
00:51:18
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it's just not terribly interesting. ah And, and I will say that I was disappointed in, you know, there's so much, the nightmare fuel ah that ah the silent hill creatures, particularly silent hill to conjure up the level of, of,
00:51:41
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you know, surrealist, weird horror shit that goes into the creation of them. Um, I feel like warrants more than like the one or two sentences that the, the, the, the description gave us.
00:51:56
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Yeah. I can't help, but wonder if that was just because they were like, look, everyone's played the game. Everyone's seen the movie there. There you don't need to do that. But I feel like that's something he could really have sunk his teeth into and have fun. Feel it. Make me. Yeah, exactly. um Yeah. Cause I, I didn't really get that in the, in the writing. Yeah.
00:52:17
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And also, just to mention, when I said don't reference material that's better, like Silent Hill 2, the game could have referenced Jacob's Ladder and I would have been all all fine with it. sure Because Jacob's Ladder is actually a big influence on Silent Hill 2.
00:52:34
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um And i I assume also the ah the other film might have might have played into it, The Tenant. but Yeah, I'm not familiar with that one, but I'm sure Jacob's Ladder. Yeah, Jacob's Ladder 100% did. Yeah, the dreamy quality of it and all that. Yeah, absolutely. um So, yeah.
Upcoming Discussions and Current Gaming Experiences
00:52:56
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all right. Well, this book is ah coming along. this will be We're going to be challenged with this one for the next couple of weeks. good be good Yeah, yeah, yeah. ah So, Phil, with all that ah being said...
00:53:15
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What are you playing? oh Oh, I'm so glad you asked, actually. I'm playing a few things. Still playing a little Mugenics. It's got... I'm still not completely sold on it, but it does have a very good... um Phil, 40 hours into the... It's like, you' you'll be the steam review of the guy with 500 hours and says, not recommended. It's true. i don i have I will give it its flowers in the sense that it's it it it it knows an addictive cycle when it gets it. um
00:53:55
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ah And the fact that it's also turn-based mostly, it's stuff so you can really take your time with it and kind of yeah slowly work your way through it. ah That's a big part of it, too.
00:54:07
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I played... Hold let me find it.
00:54:13
Speaker
Oh, I played a Run Tavern Quest. Okay. I thought that one was... um Excuse me. It's... I really enjoy the sense of humor. It's got a great Douglas Adams kind of vibe to it. Sure. ah But after a while, i i don't know. I was just kind of like bored with it. It just je after a while, it just it's kind of the same old, same old. And and it wasn't really throwing huge curveballs my way. it It felt like kind of an elaborate choose your own adventure book.
00:54:44
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Yeah. And not that elaborate. um I'm sure there are people who are going to like you. You enjoyed it, didn't you? Yeah. yeah I liked it. Yeah. Yeah, it's it just I found it kind of like, yeah, um yeah, you know what it is? It's like it's like a it's i want' I don't want to say a knockoff. It's like ah it's like a lower budget version of Slay the Princess.
00:55:08
Speaker
Sure. Yeah. Have you played Slay the Princess yet? No, but I've seen I've seen people play it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's in the same kind of same vein, except Slay the Princess is more of a, you know, it's it has actual graphics.
00:55:25
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Right. Right. Yeah.
00:55:29
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Yeah, I liked it. i think i think some I think there was some real love that went into it. I'm confused. Here's the thing. On one hand, I'm confused at the choice of having voiceover stuff for the narration because if they got everything else spot on for those old late 70s, early 80s text-based adventures, like the sound effects and the feel to it and the look to it and that sort of thing. So why are we having it...
00:55:53
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ah professionally voice voiceover, which was never something that those ever did. On the other hand, it is a really good voiceover and it does. It makes me think of a later era with Sierra and LucasArts games. It had that vibe. um It just didn't match with that. So it was a little confusing for that.
00:56:13
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um Small grievances, but it just, it didn't do a ton for but I did finish a start and finish. ah Heaven does not respond. okay. Yeah, I started that and I played it a little bit. I need to get back into it.
00:56:27
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I gotta tell you this new genre of like haunted OS. Yeah. Uh, uh, kind of thing. I am super into this. Yeah. Uh, I, it gave me some creeps as was playing last time. was, it was, it's got an interesting little, yeah. I knew you would be fucked with by it. Uh, just like that glitch horror, that kind of thing. Like, yeah, all the way back to things like, you know, um, Pony Island and shit like that. Yeah. Yeah. I dig that. I really enjoy I like the mystery aspect of it. I thought the puzzles were clever without being over the top difficult.
00:57:08
Speaker
I thought the storyline was really interesting and creepy as shit, and it was pretty bite sized. I blew through it in a few hours. um ah Yeah. Yeah. Like 10 out of 10. No notes. I really enjoyed it. It was absolutely worth, ah you know, seven or eight bucks. It costs. I'd love to see more. i'm I'm definitely going to be looking more into games like these. And there seem to be more of them coming out. This is kind of becoming its own little mini genre. And I'm super okay with that. ah Right. Keep them coming. Keep throwing them at me.
00:57:43
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Love it. I'm still playing model builder, if you can believe that still slowly. it doesn't help that every time you finish them, basically every model, when you finish it for the first time, you get an achievement for it. And that's keeping me.
00:58:00
Speaker
soaked in like, I have a i have a ah screaming achievement hunter in my heart that's constantly trying to get out who gets mysteriously quiet when the achievement gets too difficult to achieve. But I i i am enjoying it and it's it's a very, it's my it's my relaxation game. It's kind of like my power wash simulator. I'm just yeah sitting back and just putting it together. It's really nice.
00:58:28
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Uh, Kevin, what about you? well What are you playing? Okay, uh, well, I'm gonna follow up my comp and see what I've been playing. Um... Uh, scroll bar.
00:58:40
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Uh, all right. I have been playing, uh, come on, steam. There we go. Okay. So I, uh, VZ on our discord mentioned a game called haunted lands. Um, and it's a side scrolling, uh, side scrolling game. And I was like, yeah, I'll play it because it works on the steam deck.
00:59:03
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and it is okay visually very commander keen gameplay wise wow wow the colors holy shit the colors yeah oh wow what is that cga i can't remember i think it's cga yeah Yeah, this takes me back. This is a very, very specific era. Holy shit.
00:59:29
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Yeah. um And it is... um It's a side-scroller. It's kind of Castlevania-ish and not in a Metroidvania way. I mean, Castlevania.
00:59:43
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um I mean, there are some like branching paths and you can adventure around a little bit, but it's it's very it's very hard. It is not an easy game. um So yeah I've been having fun with it. I played it for a little bit, but I bought it in a two pack with another game that I ended up playing more recently called Karate Survivor. Oh, Lord. Okay. And it's ah it's ah it's really dumb. Okay.
01:00:16
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is the Is the UI good? no is ah But it is basically a vampire survivor style game except you are a ah karate guy. your're You're Jackie Chan style. And you have ah instead of the weapons, you have ah six spaces on the bottom of your screen for an attack.
01:00:44
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So you start out with just one attack. So your timer goes down and you you punch and then, you know, you wait and then your timer goes down again and you punch. But then you can you add more as you level up. and Oh, so you're like building up combos. You're building up combos. Yeah. ah it's Ah, it's a it's a it.
01:01:05
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It's a game that certainly makes me play it. um yeah That's a clever conceit. I mean, that's pretty interesting. um Yeah. So ah Karate Survivor still playing ah the first Berserker Kazan.
01:01:21
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um which is a perfectly cromulent game. um Somehow already put seven hours into it. And ah Angeline Era, which is a weird, weird game.
01:01:38
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um the combat is is bump combat, ah meaning that you just like bump into the enemies to hit them, ah and you get a gun, and you have this top-down map that you're basically, or isometric map, kind of, that you in order to find the levels, you have to walk around on the map and investigate tiles, and then occasionally your dude will be like, I found a level, and then you go and you do the level.
01:02:10
Speaker
This is weird. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird in a lot of really cool ways. Yeah. and So i I have trouble explaining it.
01:02:21
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I would. I think it's best if you're. peak If your interest has peaked at all, go watch some like YouTubers play it or talk about it or what have you. It's kind of a demo.
01:02:33
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Yeah. Download the demo. Yeah, download the demo. I think that'll be the the best way to... Because it's also... like The boss fights are very bullet hell. um as well so that's something to to keep in mind it's so it's got some weird amalgamation of bullet hell and and combat bump combat i remember when i first heard of it it was a couple years ago iron pineapple ah played it on a steam dumpster diving series and i was like oh okay uh this is interesting
01:03:06
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um So, yeah, Angelina. um What else are but am I talking about? Resident Evil Zero.
01:03:19
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No. I haven't played much more of that recently. um Yeah, I think that's that's pretty much it. um Yeah.
01:03:30
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So, I don't know. That'll do it for tonight's episode. um Yeah. Yeah. ah We're continuing on with this book for the next couple weeks.
01:03:41
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um So if you're in that Silent Hill mood, strap in mother truckers, and get to the Capitol.