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Uh, uh, and he actually did, he was actually a soldier, so he's one of those military geeks. Uh, so, sure, yeah. So he, he, he, he came about it honestly. But he played, uh, yeah, the Punic Wars, Rome versus Carthage. I think that's the game he, like, credits with getting them started, and it's one of those old school cardboard shit, uh, six-sided dice, um,