Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
Dr. Louise Stanger with All About Interventions
20 Plays5 days ago
Dr. Louise Stanger LCSW, CDWF, CIP, CILC is a preeminent interventionist, family clinician /coach and thought leader in the behavioral health (mental health and addition) industry. She serves as Director of Family Services for YPM, a global initiative to help mitigate risk. She also serves as a clinician Interventionist for The Balance - Mallorca, Zurich London.
Dr. Louise has received many distinguished awards for her work. She is a prolific writer with over 500 blog posts and magazine and newspaper articles, and the author of four books. She continues to do her own original work looking at families, trauma and how one can help others matter in a world full chaos.
Recommended
Transcript
Introduction to Destination Change
00:00:20
Speaker
Welcome to Destination Change, a podcast where we talk recovery, treatment, and more. I'm your host, Angie Peter Sutton, with the National Behavioral Health Association providers, and I use she-her pronouns.
Meet Dr. Louise Stanger
00:00:30
Speaker
Our guest today is Dr. Louise Stanger. Dr. Stanger is a preeminent interventionist, family clinician slash coach and thought leader in the behavioral health, mental health, and addiction industry. She serves as director of Family Surfaces for YPM, a global initiative to help mitigate risk. She also serves as a clinician and intervention interventionist for the balanced Mallorca, Zurich, and London.
00:00:49
Speaker
Dr. Louise has received many distinguished awards for her work. She is a prolific writer with over 500 blog posts and and magazine and newspaper articles and is the author of four books. She continues to do her own original work, looking at families, trauma and how one can help others matter in a world full of chaos. Thank you for joining us today, Dr. Stanger. Oh, my God, Angie, it's so good to be with you. How are you? I am as good as I can be considering.
00:01:16
Speaker
Well, I'm a little bit lag because I just returned from London where I spoke at a conference. So, but I'm raring to go. Always love talking with you. Awesome. Well, my first question is always, I always like to hear origin story. So how did you get into the recovery space versus all of the other job options that are out there?
Personal Motivation and Career Path
00:01:38
Speaker
Well, that's a great question. um How I got in the recovery space, I think, was because of family of origin issues. I was born on a fault line of trauma whereby I was, um actually, my father died by suicide when I was seven. My mother had a substance use disorder, mental health cascaded around my family as if it were a Christmas bow, and I was helped great deal as a young woman by a gentleman by the name of Dr. Leon Rubinstein, who was then the director, a social worker, a camp called Wood Echo. and After my father died tragically and suddenly, I was given the opportunity to go to camp. and I was at the ripe over age of seven, but throughout in the time, i you know he really helped mentor me and so did some other social workers.
00:02:34
Speaker
When I went to go to college, I had no clue. I was an English Lit major with a sociology minor and I had to work my way through and I was at a vintage age where Martin Luther King was alive. I marched for Martin. I burned my bra just like Helen Reddy said and my first job out of college was was Allegheny County Department of Public Welfare. And there I sort of cut my teeth on being of service to other people, and that made me feel good. When I when i married my first husband in those days, he was a Navy dentist and he was always stationed somewhere else. We were sent to San Diego.
00:03:17
Speaker
And I thought I was going to get a job at the Urban League. and so But nobody was hiring a cute little Caucasian girl ah following the death of Martin. And also, I was supposed to be a lawyer. My initials as a kid spelled law, but I couldn't find the law school. So I luckily found the School of Social Work, which at that time was at San Diego State College.
00:03:45
Speaker
I applied late because I was just out there, and I fell in love. I fell in love with being of service. I fell in love with social work. I fell in love with writing, and I've been blessed with some wonderful mentors. Dr. Glenn O. Heyworth, who is a small chortle of a man,
00:04:05
Speaker
He had thought been to Berkeley and what he said was anybody in the world could be authentic and you could create your own way of authenticity of being. And he believed in me and that was really important to me because I had had so many personal tragedies in my lifetime.
00:04:26
Speaker
is it really six sudden deaths, and he took me under his wing, so to speak. He let me string poetry because I had been an English lit major, let me do it. I did pretty well as a young 20-year-old in graduate school, and when I graduated, they invited me to teach. I don't know what they were thinking, but This again was a time where Roe versus Wade passed. I did all the therapeutic abortion counseling in lieu of a psychiatrist and I taught human behavior and I felt like I had found a calling.
00:05:02
Speaker
How did I get involved in the substance abuse and use field? It was really simple. I grew up dancing. I mean, alcoholism, mental health just swirled around me undulated before my very eyes.
The Role of Family in Recovery
00:05:17
Speaker
And at the time that I started teaching, um San Diego State University was known as the number one party school in the nation.
00:05:26
Speaker
and there was national grant money available to help reduce risks for alcohol and other drug problems on college campuses. I had the distinction of being the first professor in the country to develop a graduate seminar in substance use and misuse.
00:05:45
Speaker
I guess, why did I become an an interventionist? um At that time, you know no but I didn't know know a lot, but I was in San Diego. Betty Ford was just a cross in the desert, and i we would bring guest lectures into my course so we could learn. and One of the people that came into my course was a man by the name of Dr. Frank Picard. As short as I am Angie,
00:06:13
Speaker
He was tall and stately. And he was the CEO of a then treatment center called Springbrook. He had also been best friends with a gentleman named Vern Johnson, who's known as the granddaddy of intervention. Although he wrote a book that's a little bit different. He wrote a book called Family Intervention. Well, I don't know what happened that day in my classroom. My heart stumped.
00:06:41
Speaker
He was describing my family like and I listened and I said, I could do that. So, you know, there's all these trainings, but I you i was mentored by the but the big ones and I decided I could do that. So in between working, I didn't like the idea of a surprise.
00:07:04
Speaker
I thought that was kind of really hard. I didn't think I could be a lone ranger doing interventions alone. So i I learned it under his tutelage. I stayed at the university. I did them on the side. I had a good run at the university. I had over $5 million worth of NIH and IEEE grants. But there came a time when I wanted to leave. And at that point in time,
00:07:27
Speaker
You'll laugh because I'm 78 so this really dates me. I decided I would put together a two sheet about myself and I said, ah, I will call my company all about interventions, AAI. Why? Because I could be fooded the first in the Yellow Pages. So I'm sure half of your readers have no idea what the Yellow Pages are today.
00:07:51
Speaker
And so but that's how I started. It was a confluence of having great mentors, personal like experience with the devastation of mental health, substance abuse, death by suicide, and a belief that in resiliency and a belief that there could be a blueprint for change.
00:08:11
Speaker
Speaking of recovery, one of the goals of Destination Change is to talk about recovery as a journey and that it's not just a straight line that it can go all about. What does it mean to you to go through treatment or recovery? How does that how do you define that?
00:08:25
Speaker
Oh my God, i think treat I think recovery is an opportunity. I think treatment ist ah is an opportunity. I think that there are many different ways to map out a blueprint for success. Oftentimes people will need inpatient treatment. They may need medical detox because of the alcohol and other the drugs they can use. They were may well need counseling. yeah They may well need trauma work.
00:08:53
Speaker
and But after all of that, if if in a residential setting, they also need to be able to create a blueprint for success and be able to change the way they are and how they interact in the world. you know If we talk about the disease, and I do believe that alcoholism or substance abuse is a disease a brain disease, it's been pretty well established, recurrence is part of that disease.
00:09:22
Speaker
and being able to rekindle and re and rechange and refocus is really important. I do a lot of work with families and part and parcel with a family is they too have to change. It's not just about what I call the identified loved one who has been identified with an alcohol alcohol and mental health chronic pain, trauma, problem. They too must change in terms of their responses. In fact, one of the books I wrote has a chapter in it. Nothing changes until something changes. And that means 90% of my work is done with family. And unless they change, the person, the identified loved one, really has a hard time changing. Unless the boundaries, the way the way the world is, is changed.
00:10:13
Speaker
So I think through my lifetime there's been many dinner different iterations. Obviously I've experienced a lot of sudden death in my lifetime. I've had a lot of great opportunities from working with the widows of 9-11 and the New York Fire Department to working with a young dynamic group right now such as Youth prevent Prevention Mentors who try to mitigate risk of young adults to suddenly deciding to write a fourth book, which is really fun, which is sassy, which is ah really a blueprint for how you can have successful aging and longevity. So and for me, change is always possible. Growth is always possible. It does take a lot of work.
00:11:01
Speaker
And you have to be willing to do the work. But along the way, there are hiccups. There are pauses. There are things that you have to beat process. But I always feel that you have to be able to talk about the tough stuff. Having a mentor, having a counselor, I think is of utmost importance. If you just listen to your own voices, we can get into a lot of trouble.
00:11:25
Speaker
And then figure out ways to let the music in. Figure out ways in which we can smile and figure out what it is that you want to do with who you are and how you want to do it. And then do that, given your limitations of age, given your physical capabilities, given your financial capabilities. Because for me, there is always hope. There's always a blueprint for success.
00:11:52
Speaker
Well, that is, you gave me a lot to follow up on. Let's start with, ah you mentioned you know that there are there are issues sometimes with recovery. That's one of the things we talk about too. What are some of the barriers you feel people come across to move forward in the recovery journey?
00:12:06
Speaker
Well, I don't know whether they've had, you know, I think a lot of things are there's not either to mitigate risk. A lot of people think the only thing you need to do is to go to medical detox or you need to go to inpatient treatment. And there is no work done on the outside when you leave and go somewhere else. I mean, there is the same recovery begins when treatment ends.
00:12:32
Speaker
So you have to have that scaffolding built, whether it's a 12-stroke group, whether it's a psychiatrist for med management, whether it's family work. There's all these different things that happen that one must take response, you know, be able to create. The other thing is if the people around you, you know, I work a lot ah a lot with young adults.
00:12:54
Speaker
and people that have parents, it's really important. Nothing's going to change until that parent changes as well. And being able to set up healthy communication and healthy boundaries.
00:13:07
Speaker
Also, I think there's the, I guess it's the omnipotence of arrogance that pops in, that somehow or other, I don't need this anymore. They talk about ego, that somehow or other I'm cured, or a lot of times people will will go working in the field and they say, well, we're working in the field, we're helping other people, but they they don't have a program of their own.
00:13:32
Speaker
They don't see a therapist, they don't go to 12 step or any step, and that will take them out because they haven't been paying attention to their own way of helping. So you have to take care of yourself physically, emotionally, mentally,
00:13:50
Speaker
and spiritually are consistent with your values. And what does that mean? Does it mean you do a grateful list every morning? Do you do a grateful list every night? Do you attend some type of self-support meeting? Are you of service?
00:14:06
Speaker
Do you, if you're a dually diagnosed, do you take the appropriate medication?
Rehabilitation and Inspiration for Writing
00:14:11
Speaker
Do you routinely unpack and talk about things? Do you take time and exercise? Where do you find your joy? And there's a lot that goes into recovery. And then there is ah life circumstances. How do I create that? you know I'm going to stop from it. you know Recently, I celebrated my 78th birthday in a very in two very strange ways. My daughter, Felicia Alexander, invited me to go to the Donovan State Correctional Institute institute for the DeFi program. And I started out really as a social work professor with people that were in and out of prison. So it's a long time ago.
00:14:55
Speaker
And the DeFi program is an entrepreneurial and training program for people that may never get out of prison. And they may be serving 20, 24 years. I guess Donovan's famous right now because that's where the Mendez brothers are.
00:15:11
Speaker
But they have a year-long program which is pretty rigorous, which allows people to teach how to be an entrepreneur in training to work on themselves and to be the person that they're meant to be. And I was so deeply moved. I really spent the night before my 78th at Donovan State Prison and it brought back old things, but I was able to break up into some small groups.
00:15:39
Speaker
And the people i I was with, you know, it's hard it's hard to say, you know, are they bad? Do they really deserve to have life sentences? Or is redemption? And what I found was of the people I was with, three of them were Phi Beta Kappa's. And that wasn't, they weren't white-colored crimes.
00:16:01
Speaker
They found ways to make meaning in a very existential, Kafka way to create meaning. They worked with each other and you know sometimes after 22 years, they might get out of prison. To me, that is true recovery. There is no incentive for these people to do something with facing those kinds of sentences.
00:16:24
Speaker
And yet they found birth and meaning, um school and education. And I will tell you, I have had numerous awards. But I will tell you that night in this gymnasium when 60 incarcerated men who were members of this entrepreneurial training gathered in a circle and saying, happy birthday to me. I don't know where outside of working when I started with people in and out of prison at San Diego State, my heart was so humbled and full of joy. And they all had their own stories. You know, one had been a policeman and I don't know, it was in Tennessee, who knows? Another person was transgender. I don't even know how they survived.
00:17:13
Speaker
in a Mexican security person. Another one what was a young man who had been in a gang. And all these people had stories, and that's what you forget, that everybody has a story that everybody might be worth a while in the harshness that's there. But within those confines,
00:17:37
Speaker
which is maybe a no exit, they could find release, they could bring sobriety, they could find joy, and they could be of service to others. I mean that was so i wrote about it. If you go to my blog, I wrote about it and because I thought it was just so moving and meaningful. and Yes, it's not just a one-shot. My family will be back, and I thank Felicia Alexander for saying, Mom, you got to find see this program.
00:18:07
Speaker
Sounds great. You mentioned your blog, so let's go move on to your writing and your books. Talk a little bit about kind of and not where the idea came from, obviously, since they're nonfiction, but basically where you got the impetuous to create the book and what you're hoping to accomplish.
00:18:22
Speaker
So, okay, well, i you know, I write for blogs, let let let me just put, I write on everything. I write on traumas, the most overused word. I wrote, it's okay to be grumpy following the election because no matter who you are, you might've been grumpy. I wrote about like election anxiety recently.
00:18:39
Speaker
I wrote about going across the pond, but this book, Reflections on Aging, has a serendipitous beginning. When I lived in West Hollywood for a while, which was very different than after I left university, I would walk by every morning to go to exercise to this wonderful hotel. It's called the Sunset Marquis.
00:19:02
Speaker
And I talked to everybody, okay? So I started talking to the doorman, and they were wonderful, and it was friendly, and it was nice, and it made a big city not so small. As time went on, i I did family work there, I did interventions there, I've laughed there, I stayed there, um and there was something about the space which is rich with rock history.
00:19:32
Speaker
on any given day you're going to find someone famous there but it's so under the radar and it's the home of Morrison Gallery which is a famous photography. um Along the way I decided oh I need some new headshots for my website.
00:19:51
Speaker
And so I am very lucky to know a woman by the name of Cheryl Fox. If you don't know her, look her up. She is a world famous photographer. She's African-American, the likes of Beyonce, et cetera, et cetera. And I knew Cheryl and I said, Cheryl, let's go do a shoot at which I need some shots. And she said, great. It was a great idea.
00:20:15
Speaker
So we took over the entire Sunset Marquis one day and they wondered, well, I said, we'll just bring a photo shoot from the photo shoot, which is usually, you know, when you're writing a song, it's the words and the lyrics. Well, for this, it was the pictures. It was the synergy. I don't know. I walked out of the photo shoot and I wrote them on a piece of paper.
00:20:46
Speaker
The chapters, the chapter titles. Let the music in. Reflect. Talk about the tough stuff. I know I'm not doing it in order. See, because it just came out yesterday. So excited. And be active. Reflect.
00:21:03
Speaker
I mean, go get tough about the tough stuff, don't be afraid to do it. Put your big girl panties on. Okay, we've got to do like, and then I, you know, as a celebrator, when I grow old, I'm gonna live at the Sunset Marquis, which doesn't mean I'm gonna figure to live there. I'm gonna live with that mindset.
00:21:22
Speaker
And so these words sort of poured out of me pretty quickly. um I had written a book quickly before, but this is world in about three months, this book was done. And with Cheryl's help, we we just laced this book together and said, you know This is different. It's about unleashing your potential. It's got something for everyone. I just talked about it a little bit in London, different. but you know And somebody in Cambridge said, oh, I just took a painting. Oh my gosh, I'm going to go talk about this. I'm going to talk about the tough stuff. And you know realizing that when you age, you creaking grown a bit, that there's still all this possibility for you to be who you want to be.
00:22:09
Speaker
So I think the marquee for being a muse, for Cheryl, for her photography, it was like you know a song when you have lyrics and words. It just all popped together. and What do you hope audiences, readers get out of this? What what are you trying to get a you know what what what what is your main goal for for people who are going to read this book?
00:22:32
Speaker
My main goal is for them to unleash their own potential. At the back of every chapter, there's place to have notes for you and you can write me about what you're doing and how this affected you. know Unleashing your thoughts is at every corner.
00:22:50
Speaker
you know What does this do for you? And how does this apply to you or how it doesn't? Talk about the tough stuff. Maybe you've just experienced a death. Maybe you've experienced some type of disease. What is it that that unleashes you that you're now free enough to do? and And so it's very nonclinical in that respect, and I'm obviously a clinician, but it's it's your blueprint. You get to write the music.
00:23:17
Speaker
That sounds wonderful. Did you want to talk a little bit about some of your other books by any chance? Well, my other book love the one that's been the most popular best seller was the one written COVID. It's called Addiction in the Family, Helping Families Navigate Challenges, Emotions, and Recovery. Great book. It still sells like wildflower today. I don't get receivables, but it really talks about what do I say, what do I do, and how do I actually work and address. And it's very helpful for families because they you know when a family calls me up, They've nagged, they pleaded, they scolded, they yelled, they tear their hair out, they beg, borrowed. And this gives people a way in which to communicate. It also talks about what do you look for in treatment or what do you look for if you're going to hire somebody. So it's a very good practical
00:24:10
Speaker
quick, easy book. My second book is a textbook. It's still used at universities. It's called It's Very Fancy. It's The Definitive Guide to Addiction Intervention. And it talks about family mapping. And my first book was autobiographical. It was called Falling Up. Some of the biggest changes you've seen in the industry since ah you first started.
Trends and Predictions in Addiction Treatment
00:24:31
Speaker
I think there's a lot of a lot of big equities owning things as opposed to Ma and Pa. I think that's one change. I think there is more recognition. Well, in the beginning, alcohol was seen as something, I don't know, you know of a moral failing. now It's known thanks to the AMA as a disease. There is more recognition of dual diagnosis. And I think the most popular thing of This decade is trauma. It's like everything is trauma. i'm pay i do but I have an article that says trauma is the most overused word in the country. I don't mean that in a negative sense, but I don't know anybody who in you know someone said, oh, yeah I don't think you've ever experienced trauma. I said, really? Seven seven sudden deaths? Oh, i think I think that might have been a hiccup or two. Working with the New York Fire Department when 9-11 happened may it may have had something.
00:25:28
Speaker
I mean, Lark Young did a great job identifying trauma, but sometimes everything is, it's like it's the most overused word in the country. People experience problems. People have terrible problems in living. It's really, how then do we Qualcomm, the ventral vagal nerve, poor, just has done a great job in talking about that. How then can we help move people? EDMR, the advent of some modalities which weren't always there. But I think a recognition that people change over time, that just going to treatment, residential treatment, may not be the end. i When I work with the young group, YPM,
00:26:15
Speaker
We do a lot of mitigation of risk. We actually do a lot of times treatment without walls, which is very novel, which is you know going into the home, which is harder when you have a family because you're actually working to change the whole family. It can take a longer process, but it's very, very exciting.
00:26:36
Speaker
So I think more equity owns more big business. um the i And also, I guess, you know, there's things that are on a national or global level, the legalization of marijuana. I mean, personally,
00:26:54
Speaker
I think that was a horrible idea. i I had, on a personal level, so many people that are in substance abuse psychosis. That doesn't mean it's not helpful for glaucoma or maybe aging or Alzheimer's, but it's it doesn't have to be on every corner store and every kid in the world smoking it because the THC content is so. We're going through a new wave right now. I don't have enough knowledge to comment.
00:27:20
Speaker
intelligently, and that's on psychedelics. you know Should psychedelics be used? What is the read on ketamine-assisted treatment? um Do we drop some Ibogaine? These are all still not evidence-based.
00:27:36
Speaker
I think that our knowledge, while our knowledge has expanded, we have a lot of different modalities. I also think we have to take into account, because I have an expertise in chronic pain, you know physical. What does that mean in terms of how we address people? so Well, in many respects, we came a long way, baby. I think we have a lot more To go we do live in it in a country where youth still undulates before your eyes and the notion of a quick fix Feel good is paramount Well and speaking of where we're going ah since you you know how the and experience you have Where do you see the industry going in the next five to ten years? ah Would you say what what kind of things do you think are going to be happening? I? Well, I don't know there'll be a disappearance of the small business owner taken over by large equity capital. I think that we're going to have to do, I think the medication assisted treatment will continue to grow. I think somebody's going to have to take a really harsh look.
00:28:44
Speaker
at marijuana cannabis because they don't call it marijuana because god forbid you should say that but the cannabis industry and how it affects as well as psychedelics and I think personally for me because it represents this book going into an integrative wellness approach.
Navigating the Behavioral Health Industry
00:29:03
Speaker
How can we be the person we're meant to be with an integrated wellness coach, which is physical, spiritual, are consistent with your values, mental, and how do we build wellness and longevity into it?
00:29:19
Speaker
Now, our our audience is a wide range of people. We have everything from clinicians to CEOs. So um I always like to ask kind of tips for people in the industry, what kind of lessons have you learned since, you know, what, if you could travel back in time to when you were first starting, what kind of things would you tell yourself?
00:29:36
Speaker
My God, learning never ends. you know ah'd Be open. Stay curious because things will change over time. Be thoughtful. Don't jump to rash conclusions. Really, I do something called family mapping, which I'm famous for, but I interview people individually. I don't.
00:29:58
Speaker
do preconcept notions of who somebody is and think most of all think outside the box in a perfect world what would this take for this person or and this family to succeed be open to failure because not everything you do is going to be a great success. How can you use your setbacks to improve? and And learning never ends. So if you think you know everything, I used to teach you in behavior and I used to laugh.
00:30:33
Speaker
you thought you You would see everybody wanted to be a therapist when they grew up. That's what they tell you in the classroom. And then they would say, well, I'm going to be, you know, I'm going to be just like, right now, like internal family systems, like Swartz, which is really popular, or EDMR, or Martha Linehan.
00:30:53
Speaker
I'm going to just do dbt. I'm just going to do parts. I'm just going to do this. I'm just going to do that. Well, and the truth is once you identify yourself, you're going to violate whatever stance you take because you have to be able to join up.
00:31:09
Speaker
with those clients. And in seven seconds, this is still evidence-based. In seven seconds, when you meet an unidentified loved one or client, they decide if they like you or not. They decide if they can trust you. And it might be the your voice, it might be the way you look. So be mindful of that. And also be mindful that people are on a journey.
00:31:36
Speaker
they didn't necessarily you know like I'm talking back to Donovan Correctional Institute. These people were real people. They weren't monsters. you know They had lives. They were somebody's son. They were somebody's father.
00:31:51
Speaker
And what were the life circumstances that brought them there? And what could we do to change that? And that's ah the way you have to treat with every client. you know People do things that are very harmful to other people. They lie, they cheat, they steal, and you do that. So I guess it's being open and also seeking consultation. Never be arrogant enough to think you know everything.
00:32:19
Speaker
To this day, I have a fabulous supervisor, a fabulous psychologist that I consult with. I also work with a team. there Everybody consults with everybody else. Don't think you know everything because the moment you know everything, something's going to pop up. You know, I know that. Well, and speaking of which, aside from your own website, what kind of resources do you go to on a regular basis to kind of keep up on the industry?
00:32:45
Speaker
Well, I read almost every day. I do like, from London, I love Deidre Boyd, DB Resources. it's a It's a daily digest and I will look at a lot of research. There's a lot of and NIH research coming out. There's a lot of things, but also there's popular stuff.
00:33:04
Speaker
you know it's It's very important for you to understand what the popular, but the people magazines are sprouting. What they're saying is it just so you can be really aware, or I don't do TikTok, but TikTok obviously has been influenced. So it's really important that you understand your culture and who you're with.
00:33:27
Speaker
you know, and that you are able to understand the different generational divides. When I work with YPM, I work with a generational team. I work with young wellness mentors who may be in their 30s or younger. They know a whole lot of things different than I do. Their frame is different. Um, so you have to be really open and you have to stay, you know, you have to know what you know, and you have to be able to say, Hey, this, this case isn't going to work for me.
00:33:56
Speaker
I want to give this to someone else. Great. Now we're getting close to the end. Was there something that you wanted to talk about but that we haven't or that you thought I was going to ask, but I didn't? No, I just left talking to you and I wasn't talking. You know, I mean, I think, you know, as I reached this time, his legacy, ah you know, I'm after, look, I've been so
Dr. Stanger's Legacy and Closing Thoughts
00:34:17
Speaker
lucky. If I get one more Lifetime Achievement Award, I know they want me to retire. I was honored at Miriam's house this year with a Lifetime Achievement Award.
00:34:25
Speaker
In March, I'm getting a Lifetime Achievement Award at the Winter Leadership Summit. That's all really nice, but then I think, well, maybe you know it's an honor to do that. and If I can be of service, good. and If I'm not of service, please let me know. and you know I want to keep learning and growing.
00:34:44
Speaker
And what I think about in terms of theories of human behavior, Eric Erickson was a theoretician. And what he believed in was eight stages of man. But what he said there had to be basic trust in the world. And in order to have basic trust in the world, there was someone walking around with ego and integrity. And what that meant is that you learn from one another. And my hope is that people stay open enough to learning. They stay open to questioning.
00:35:14
Speaker
What should I say? What should I do? How can I do this? What is the best service delivery here? And how can I create an environment, a blueprint for success so people can be who they want to be? That is a great way to end this. Now, I know you have the Ask Dr. Louise radio show. You also have your own YouTube channel. Where else can if people want to learn more about you and what you do, where can they find you?
00:35:43
Speaker
Well, definitely on my website, which is www.allaboutinterventions.com, I am definitely on the website for youth prevention mentors. I am also on the Balance Group's website, which is in Mallorca, which is in International.
00:36:02
Speaker
And i write a if they want to really i mean I write a blog every week, so they have to go to allaboutinterventions.com and my face pops up and they just fill out a little box and I won't answer them. And oh, the other big thing is I'm still pick up my own phone. So I don't have any answer machine.
00:36:26
Speaker
So if your heart is hurting or you want to ask a question or you're worried about a loved one or you just have a comment on something that I wrote, you can pick up the phone and I will answer it. If I'm busy, I will call you back. But I am known for doing that.
00:36:49
Speaker
And I think like this week, my mailing's going to be the hidden impact of family substance abuse, siblings under the shadow. So that's a different thing. I was going to say, for for those who are interested, you do have a newsletter that sends out like your blog posts. I know, on behalf of the subscribers, because we sometimes use your blog posts in our social media. ah and It's also it's a good way to keep up with what's going on as well. so You've been listening to Destination Change. Our guest today was Dr. Louise Stanger. Thank you for being here. Our theme song was Sun Nation by Kitsa and used to be a Creative Commons license by the Free Music Archive.
00:37:26
Speaker
Please consider rating and reviewing the podcast on Apple Podcasts so we can get more listeners. In the meantime, you can only see more about the podcast, including show notes and where else to listen, on our website, www.nbhap.org. If you have questions for the podcast, please email us at info at nbhap.org. Thanks for listening.
00:37:46
Speaker
Thank you. I hope that took. That sounded better than the first one. i't Hopefully, it yes, hopefully it took. I will let you know ah pretty much as soon as it's done rendering. okay i read Thank you very much ah for understanding and for doing this again. I appreciate it. I could talk to you forever. ah Unfortunately, I'm sure we both are very, very busy. yeah Well, let me, will you send me a minute word to find it so I can, I will put it in my newsletter, but I need to have all that information. Yeah. Once it goes live, I will send you an email that kind of lists the link. It also gives you a suggestion, you know, if you want social media images to let it go and whatnot. And I send you, forward you the the email we send out. that Awesome. Plus, well, if you have any questions between now and then, you know how to get ahold of me. Have a great day and may your day be uneventful. Thank you, and and be sure and buy this book. And this is my other review. Okay. All right. Okay. Bye. Bye.