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EP197: G Michael Hopf - Hard Times Create Strong Men
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“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
When comfort becomes the norm, weakness takes root—and that’s when the real trouble starts. We’re living through a time where traditional values are under attack, strength is mocked, and confusion is celebrated. This episode explores why hard times are back—and why strong men are more important than ever.
Geoff Hopf talks about the cycle of history, where each generation shapes the next—and how we’re now in the “crisis” stage. From political division to collapsing culture, he lays out what happens when weak leadership takes over and what it’ll take to turn things around.
G. Michael Hopf is a former Marine and bestselling author of over 40 novels, including The End and The Cries of a Dying World. His quote “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times” has become a global rallying cry—and a lightning rod for controversy.
Learn more & connect:
- “The End” – by G. Michael Hopf https://a.co/d/bX1Nbc4
- “The Cries of a Dying World” – by G. Michael Hopf https://a.co/d/apKGKts
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Controversial Quote and Its Impact
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I was getting death threats and they, you know, I should die. like I should die for having a quote that talks about so many people would have such it a visceral reaction to something.
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If you read it and you're upset about it, i mean or you're the one going, hi, I'm the weak man you're talking about. That's why one i'm so pissed off. So what is it about the weak man that really upsets you? Like, what is it that you feel in your heart? What is it that they're so upset about?
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You're a man living in the modern world in a time when men and manhood are not what they once were. You live life on your own terms. You're self-sufficient.
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You think for yourself and you march to the beat of your own drum. When life knocks you down, you get back up because in your gut, you know that's what
Podcast and Guest Introduction
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men do. You're a badass and a warrior. And on the days when you forget, we are here to remind you you really are.
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Welcome to Sovereign Man Podcast, where we aim to make men mask. And again, I'm your man, Nicky Ballou, and we have special guest for you today. ah he is professionally known as G. Michael Hopf, but to all his friends, he's Jeff Hopf.
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Welcome to the show, Jeff. Nicky, how are you doing? it's been a while since I've been on your show. It's good to see you again. you looking You're looking good. Thank you, brother. God bless. So crazy time in the world right now, ah brother.
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Crazy, crazy time. And um you're the author of a pretty famous poem that goes something like this. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.
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And it talks about four turnings in the world. in current events that happen. And right now we are in what's called the fourth turning. And I'd love to get your your take on all this.
Understanding the Fourth Turning
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Yeah, I know you and I have talked about it before. That quote has become kind of like I was saying to somebody yesterday, it's the quote that has launched a thousand death threats now.
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But that's it but that's ah that's an interesting conversation we can have after I kind of dive into this. um Yeah, if people aren't familiar with the fourth turning, it references ah the Strauss-Hell generational theory, which posits that um history kind of recycl cycles and recycles over and over again.
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And they have that each turning or each cycle is around a generation, like one or two generations.
Cultural and Political Divides in North America
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The 20, 25 years, so to speak. And we are currently sitting at what at the end cycle, which is called the fourth turning, or what's also known as the crisis.
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And I think if people objectively look into the world, they would say that, yeah, we we seem to be in a state of crisis. And it's not just because there's these things happening geopolitically around the world, but just looking at our own nation states, whether it's Canada, whether it's United States,
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ah Specifically, when you look at North America, it's predominantly Canada north and and the United States, I think, has... um issues because you have two distinct cultures that are residing in these land masses, right?
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two very, very distinct cultures. Now, I think when you like, I'll just use the United States as an example and why, the fourth turning, we're probably in the midst of it coming toward the inflection point, which is probably civil war or some kind of bloodletting or some kind of, some kind of conflict, some kind of like kinetic, you know, engagement, um,
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When you look at, like say, the political parties is in the United States, you have the Republicans, you have the Democrats. Well, it can be argued that for up until almost not that long ago, that ah that both parties agreed that a free market capitalist economic system was the system to have.
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It was the superior system. They all believed in the rule of law. They all believed in a kind of constitutional republic. um But where that's changed, and the change is primarily on the far left, is you've got the far left, which is now primarily communists.
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And they're Bolsheviks. They have this kind of authoritarian type of viewpoint. They ah do not believe in a capitalist system. They actually ah but really don't even know they talk about democracy. It's like it's like the North Koreans talking about living in a the People's Republic,
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Right. It's the same thing. That's when you see the progressives on the hard left talk about democracy. Well, it doesn't mean anything from a party that hasn't had democracy inside of their primary system for the last three cycles. They've essentially allowed the elites of the party to select democracy.
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the candidate that will run for president. That's not democracy. That's, you know, that kind of a one party kind of a system that they like, which communists like.
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And so what the Democrat Party has been hijacked now, probably these far left progressives, they no longer believe in capitalism. They believe in communism or some kind of hard nationalist socialist state.
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And then you have everybody else. You still have the remaining Democrats that still believe in that. So you have two different, they were two different paradigms, two exactly different cultures.
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And you can't have two cultures that are vying for power. Eventually they're going to clash and see that as clashes happening now. I think you have those clashes happening in Canada.
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I think a lot of that was exposed during COVID. And I know when when Justin was up there locking up farmers and the people, mean, the truckers, the trucker situation. um and locking out people's, yeah ah the they're but freezing their bank accounts and all the protests that was happening up there. It was horrific.
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It's horrific. And um i think when you look at, I think it's the the Liberal Party, right? Is that what's in Canada that's in charge? yeah Yeah. I don't think they're the Liberal Party of 20 years ago. they're in the way there you know Justin clearly brought it harder to the left,
Potential for Civil Unrest and Political Power Struggles
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more authoritarian, more kind of like a dictator in the way he was ruling.
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And I think even the last – didn't even have any elections until just recently when I think they thought that Carney would win. um ah So I think that these factions do not believe in democracy. They just believe in power.
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And once they get power, they do everything they can to maintain it. So here we are. We're stuck with two distinct cultures that are vying for power, vying for control.
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And eventually they're going to clash. And um I think that that's coming soon. when mean soon, and then it could be in the next five years, yeah yeah all we would need is some kind of other major event that could be the tipping point to tip us into that kind of a conflict.
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It's interesting because you may very well be right, but I'm just wondering if that does end up happening, how does the left think they're gonna do?
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Because all the people that are strong, mentally strong, believe in the right to bear arms and are ah believe in self-defense, do things like work out and make themselves strong,
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Well, they're not far left nu Nazis and crazies and Marxists. They're normal people. They're on the side of those that believe in the traditional America and free market capitalism. So I don't understand how far left thinks they're going to win because they're going to lose. They're going to lose badly.
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but i think i don't I don't think it's going to be – if I were to like write this as a story because I'm a novelist, if I were write this as a story, if they were smart – I don't think they've been playing very smart for a while.
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But if they were smart, they would wait for an opportunity where there is an event. that occurs then they seize that event maybe it's a severe economic downturn an economic you know a severe economic downturn and maybe it's even economic collapse and and from that collapse they would have to have they would have to be kind of uh kind of rally around charismatic leader that could promise to get the people out of this or the canadians out of this
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That's how I think they get in. Right now, they're on the other side of every pretty much every issue. In the United States, yeah the last election, it you know the Democrats keep siding on the wrong issues all the time. Right now, the the Right now, like they're going out of their way to defend MS-13 terrorists. it's You can't make this up. I don't even know what.
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How the hell did Donald Trump manage to make these guys do that? Because it's unreal that they're siding with this dude who's an MS-13 terrorist and beats up his wife and his kids are afraid of him I know it's it's this is kind of when you have people that are so dead set against you that you can literally have the cure for cancer and they would be upset saying cancer deserves to live.
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You know, it's they they can't ever give they can never give Trump an opportunity to ever be victorious. um and And so they will just go after anything and they make up these wild and crazy situations. So right now they're not winning in the court of public opinion, in my belief. i They're just not.
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They're just not. And um so I think it would have to be some kind of an event. that touches everybody. And then if they played their cards right, they could take they could seize power that way. And then once they've consolidated power, they would be very hard to dislodge.
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so And I think you could possibly see some violence in the streets, some things along those lines. But for the most part, people just don't want to be involved in those that situation. you would see the the fringe elements clashing.
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But if they were going to try to do an alt, like a a a actual like armed resistance to kind of seize power, there's no way you're right there. but They couldn't do it.
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They would not be successful. They would get squashed. They would get destroyed. So they'd have, to manow they they get, they get into power, right? Let's just say they get into power.
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um And then all of a sudden there's a whole bunch of right-thinking people, normal people who say, screw this, we're we're we're not going to do this. And there's a civil war. I'm just trying to understand how the left thinks they're going to win that civil war.
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Speaker
Because all the people believe in what they believe tend to be, let's face it, not very martial, right? And all the people that believe in what you and I believe tend to be strong and martial.
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Yeah, they would – there Again, if they were trying to be the quote unquote, they call themselves the resistance and they're going to rise up and have a rebellion, they're that's never going to which they're never goingnna win that.
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That's never going to happen. They would need to have control over the government and then all the levers of government and power. And they would then, with their media allies and their propagandists, gaslight, mislead, deepfake their way into essentially making conservative-leaning people, criminals, call them terrorists, use the weight and power of government to arrest them, seize them, confront them, use the military.
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And the issue is that the military and it it can be... lulled into not everybody. Most people would say, okay, I'm just, I'm going to be doing this. They're going to, they're going to, a lot of people will kind of just line up to do that.
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You know, i sometimes I've been critical of police officers because how can, like, I was very upset. Like when I was watching what was happening in Canada with those truckers and this police just arresting them, I'm like, what are you guys doing?
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We should be on the side of the people here. How hard is this? Yet they were doing it. The police had no problem arresting people. So that's what concerns me. is I think if they get into power, some of those would just because of their own survival, like, oh, my God, these people are power. I don't want to keep my job.
00:12:33
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I'll just go arrest these guys over here. I'll arrest those truckers. I'll arrest those protesters over here. I'll arrest those MAGA guys because i don't want to lose my job. I'm afraid. So I think people could be lulled into doing the whims of an evil regime because of a fear of reprisal.
00:12:52
Speaker
So again, a fourth turning... can haveb can be very dynamic, world war, civil war, or it could just be a complete, utter change of the system itself. So we have this constitutional republic, and then through a series of a a down economic downturn, which turns into kind of like a a an election.
00:13:14
Speaker
Now we have a complete upheaval of the system as we know it, where they're outlawing political parties, maybe they're doing drastic measures, they're seizing control. That too, by the way, can be your fourth turning because what you're doing is you get this crisis and you have an event that completely changes everything.
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It's not the same. And there will be violence, but the system that we had going into the fourth turning is not the same one they had coming out of. I could see that. That's a possibility. I mean, at the moment, you've got Donald Trump in charge, and um the MAGA movement is ascendant in the United States, and conservatives are feeling their oats, as it were.
00:13:55
Speaker
Events can turn on a dime. Yep. Yep. What if China decides to seize Taiwan? What will Trump do if that happens? That's a great question. i I don't see a situation where we China would want to do that.
China's Geopolitical Moves and Consequences
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I don't see how China wins in that situation.
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I agree with you. ah What if they do? What will Trump do if China does that? i think he I think he'd have to be you know forced to like confront them. um And then we'd be looking at a full-scale war, essentially. We're looking at a Cuban missile crisis on steroids, right?
00:14:33
Speaker
Yeah. Again, I know people talk about that as if would be at one. I don't think it's it I don't think it's a cakewalk for the Chinese to take Taiwan. To be honest with you, I just don't think it's a cakewalk.
00:14:44
Speaker
I think there's a lot of talk about how how large China's Navy is and its military and things like that. But let's just be realistic about the Chinese military. They're not they're not tested.
00:14:56
Speaker
And the last time they were tested, I think, was some kind of incursion into Vietnam. And that was not successful for them at all. And um You have, they're just not battle tested.
00:15:07
Speaker
Their Navy is a joke. Yeah, they're building so many ships a day or whatever, month or whatever, but those ships are pieces of shit. You know, they they they they don't build anything of quality. They they had their single aircraft carrier. i don't think really works.
00:15:22
Speaker
So um I don't I'm not necessarily overly concerned about their military. It's going to work too well for them. They're going to the Taiwanese military is going to put up a stout resistance.
00:15:39
Speaker
i am Yes. One, you're invading an island. That's not that's not easy to do. You're having to have a merit you know. You're having to land, you know, ah it it's not going to be easy for them to do that.
00:15:50
Speaker
And i don't see how they get around not having the entire world turn against them at the same time, too. So then trying to isolate itself just to occupy an island.
00:16:01
Speaker
I don't see how – I don't – I do not see how that's a win scenario for Xi. I just don't see how that – now, again, people can do crazier stuff, but I just don't see how he gets anything from that ultimately.
00:16:16
Speaker
mean, you can look at what's going on with Putin, and Putin has been isolated and marginalized and – what's that? How old is Xi? Is he 70-something? Probably, yeah. But he's – what he – he had the laws changed or whatever, and he's going to be in for a while, so – I know he did. And that's, ah i'm gonna I'm just going to look up on the on the internet.
00:16:36
Speaker
How old is she xi Jinping? ah When was this dude born? He's been the leader of China since 2012. He was born in 1953. As of now, he's 71 years old.
00:16:48
Speaker
He's going to 72. He's unlikely to be in power forever. But... he's going to be seventy two he's unlikely to be in power forever but Probably 10 to 15 years if his health holds up.
00:17:04
Speaker
Yeah. Again, i what how does he then maintain power? Because if China then does that, and what if they're not successful? I mean, but look at russia Russia. Russia's bogged down in this kind of – If they're not successful, I don't see how he holds on to power.
00:17:24
Speaker
Yeah. i And it happened to be swift and decisive. Turning against him. Yeah. I see his lieutenants turning against him if he's not successful. Yeah. I look ah look at what, um ah you know, Putin, um they're still sitting there slogging away. How many Russians have died? Right.
00:17:40
Speaker
And but know there's, I think, I think, what's that? Does Putin care about that? I think Putin has done, i guess, from a propaganda standpoint, a good job in the country as far as because the world has turned against them. So because of that, he's got, and with all the sanctions and things like that, he's gotten a lot of the Russian, I think he's gotten some sympathy from a lot of Russians because of that.
00:18:07
Speaker
yeah And boy, the Russians are really good. they The Russians, when it comes to people that know how to suffer, the Russians know how to suffer. They're really good at suffering. They've done it for a long time. But so do the Chinese. The Chinese are also a people that are resilient and they've suffered a lot, you know, in the past for a long time, ah specifically starting with Mao Zedong and all those things. But I, i you he was you know, would would Putin be in power had if it wasn't if he really didn't kind of control a lot of the levers? It wasn't authoritarian. It's hard to know.
00:18:40
Speaker
ah But they they're just bogged down in Ukraine. They're not going anywhere. It's it's fascinating when you when you watch the invasion, you think you would think that they were just going to roll on in and control the entire, but then he doesn't. like they they They don't know how to fight at night.
00:18:54
Speaker
You know, when you kind of we've seen, you know, the United States military power operating in the past 25 years, seeing how skilled it is with the technology and the devices and the weaponry and the skill sets.
00:19:06
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And then when you're seeing other nations go to war, you're like, wow, it's pretty early 20th, like mid 20th century fighting. Like they're, they haven't, they're not using a lot of tech. They're, they're just not there.
00:19:18
Speaker
And I just really questioned the the Chinese military's ability. um And I, it again, it's, it's a big bet. Like what does he get out of it? And great. So say he takes Taiwan.
00:19:30
Speaker
What do you get? don't, so I don't see how he's victorious. Ultimately, if he takes Taiwan and Trump's in power, I'm thinking Trump leads a worldwide and coalition and and coalition to say, hey, boys, we are not buying anything from China. We're going to bring them to their knees until they disgorge Taiwan.
00:19:53
Speaker
And you you also send in operators. operators and spies, OSS types, behind enemy lines to sabotage and harass and cause problems for them. So yeah, I see that that's problematic.
00:20:08
Speaker
But I also see you know it could quickly escalate into an exchange, a bigger exchange, maybe even a nuclear exchange. you know That's nobody's idea of a good time. um No, and you know that would be horrible. Yeah.
00:20:21
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, if ah Xi Jinping sends nuclear weapons toward the North American continent, is that's problematic. but Yeah, it's it's on that. You're looking at a full-scale nuclear exchange. that what That's exactly what you would have. yeah yeah Under Trump, you would have a complete full-scale nuclear exchange. It would just not be pretty at all.
00:20:42
Speaker
It wouldn't be pretty. No. um Trump also has decided to throw – the ah technological might of the United States behind Reagan's dream of Star Wars, right?
00:20:54
Speaker
um And if he does that and he's got the ability to protect the homeland, the Chinese are screwed because even if they have a full-scale nuclear exchange, he's probably going to be able to knock most of those missiles down and they're not going to be able to do the same.
00:21:09
Speaker
i would Yeah. yeah I mean, i and i I've been wrong. I mean, i I would never have guessed Putin was going to roll into Ukraine, but then ah he did.
00:21:21
Speaker
So, you know, is Xi ready to go and take Taiwan? Again, I could be wrong, but I think I don't think I just don't see how don't think he will. I don't see how. I just don't see how they benefit, period. Even at even under even under like ah a Democratic president, is I guess it would put them on a Democrat, but they I just don't see how they end up not marginalized and separated. Plus, you know they'd probably like they've got other issues going on, by the way, in their country.
00:21:48
Speaker
When you get the tariff war going on, and but you've got there you've got their demographic issue, which no one really wants to talk about. No one wants to talk about China.
00:21:59
Speaker
China is about to have its population ah go down by half in the next 30 to 40 years. Yeah. yeah And I think that's actually even going to be accelerated. and No nation is going through that outside of wartime.
00:22:12
Speaker
And it will be fascinating to see what's going to happen. ah It's economic problems. you know the ah fake bull the The fertility issue and the depopulation issue is not just China.
00:22:25
Speaker
It's every Western industrialized nation is dealing with that. You know, when you look at the report leftist politics, right? If you get rid of leftist politics and you encourage women to stay home and have babies, it's not really a problem. I mean, um Viktor Orban in Hungary is giving um baby bonuses and you tax-free status to any family that has more than four kids. So if you're a Hungarian family and you have four or more children, you don't have to pay income tax.
00:22:56
Speaker
Yeah. But, you know, what's interesting is that's moved the needle, but not enough to get to replacement rate. Well, for for Hungary, it's great. But Hungary is a tiny country. If they did that all over the Western world, I think that'd be pretty wild.
00:23:09
Speaker
it it it And maybe it maybe would. But like I think there's like was it South Korea has been trying to do that and they've not done it. they Again, they've seen a very marginal increase. But South Korea is doomed. I mean, South Korea is past the point of, well, they say any country that's gone below 2.1 and the replacement rate never gets back.
00:23:29
Speaker
So that's that's frightful. And then you look at, say, a country like South Korea, which is, I think, the worst position than anybody, even worse than Japan. They're at like 0.6, which means like in a generation or two, let's just say this, in 100 years, they're not going to exist.
00:23:47
Speaker
they're They're just not gonna be around. there was ah There was a guy, he's, he's um well, I'm forgetting his name right now, but his last name is Collins. And he and his wife are part of like the pro natalist movement.
00:23:59
Speaker
And he used to be a VC in South Korea. He was, he is American. and He went there was working with the BC fund over in South Korea. And he was done, he he was asked to do a study for some, for investment in South Korea. And he was doing it and he came back and he's a young guy. So he wasn't really aware of any of this stuff. He goes, wait, I'm doing these projections out, you know, for long-term growth. And there isn't any.
00:24:23
Speaker
And they're like, what are you talking about? Like, well did you know that south korea has a demographic issue that means that there's not going to be an economy in about 30 years it's going to collapse and like oh yeah yeah we're aware of that just ignore that Like, how can you ignore Why would anyone want to invest in South Korea when South Korea is not going to have an economy in 30 years?
00:24:44
Speaker
They're just, it's going impossible. There's just not enough young people. And so I, so South Korea's got that issue and they're not, and they've tried, they've paid money, they've done all these issues. They've moved the needle enough, but it's not enough. It's, it's, we're sitting now. Yeah.
00:25:00
Speaker
Oh, South Korea is in a horrible position. You should you should research it. it's it's They're the we're the one leading the charge to the bottom. And they're in a position that you can have every woman of of childbearing age have 10 children and they're still in trouble. they they're They're doomed.
00:25:15
Speaker
And then you've got Japan. And then you've got China. China is like – I think China's population – there's some talk – Because I follow some podcasts of people that are in China and they're able to make shows and talking about these issues about people are disappearing, meaning like whole towns are being raised.
00:25:33
Speaker
So the Chinese government is coming in because the population is... is declining so quickly. And that's what happens. It kind of falls off a cliff. So it's kind of imagine like the depopulation kind of bomb is where you hear about it, you know about it. It's like a tsunami that's off just past the horizon.
00:25:51
Speaker
You know it's coming, but you can't see it. It's still beautiful and sunny out. And then suddenly you see it like, oh, look at that. And then an hour it's on top of you and you're gone. That's what happens with the depopulation bomb. It's like you feel it, you kind of see it, maybe you see it, and all sudden it's like there and it's it it comes at you super quick and everything is just over.
00:26:09
Speaker
And when you're talking about, when you mean like an economic collapse, and at most westernized nations will probably feel this in 50 or 60 years, is the fact there's not enough young people to do the labor. There's not enough young people to maintain the infrastructure ah and to make to take care of the elderly, to take care of the jobs, the infrastructure, of building, all of it.
00:26:28
Speaker
So there's just no people to take care of anything. um The one saving grace for Canada and the United States has been immigration, believe it or not. it's It's been beneficial.
00:26:39
Speaker
But it's what's interesting is this. The immigrants that come in within one generation adopt the same fertility rate as the nationals do. So even if they're see coming in from Nigeria or Afghanistan, they soon come around having one or two kids and now no longer having four to six. Yeah.
00:26:56
Speaker
That's because of the fact that our culture here has become feminized and women are being encouraged to work rather than raise families.
00:27:07
Speaker
And the truth of the matter is that is a disaster for a nation. It's an absolute disaster for a nation. You you need to have women having children.
00:27:19
Speaker
and raising children, that is the backbone of the renewal of any society in any nation. And I know the feminazis are going to lose their shit when they hear me say this, but that's the truth.
00:27:31
Speaker
That's the truth. And Orban, what he's doing in Hungary is working because Hungarians are responding and they're responding well. um I don't know what's going on in China and Japan. I don't understand the cultural motifs there as well.
00:27:47
Speaker
But it appears that those cultures have turned into cultures where working um and working and working and working is what's valued and not family, family, family and raising family the way that it was.
00:28:02
Speaker
And if you're working and you got a super small space to raise your family in, I can understand why they wouldn't want to have kids or would want to have just one child. It's not smart. It's not good. But, you know, it is what it is. And this ah depopulation bomb, as you put it, is going to destroy a ton of countries.
00:28:22
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And i I think China is in big trouble. ah South Korea, Japan, absolutely in huge trouble. The countries that are doing well population wise tend to be poorer countries, right?
00:28:34
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Yeah, and specifically in Africa, sub-Saharan Africa. and But even they're now starting to see that their fertility rate there is going down too slowly. As they become more developed, there's like this link in with development and wealth.
00:28:50
Speaker
and less babies. So essentially what happens, you have a democratization of allowing women to go to college and get educated, which is great. We should be want we should want our young daughters to be able to go get educated. they feel They feel free. So once they feel liberated to do so, they then start to like kind of take control. like, listen, I'm going, i want to now have a career. I've just spent four years at university or six years at university.
00:29:12
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I now want to spend some time. Clearly there's also a cultural change kind of culturally and you kind of pin you've kind of noted this when you look at being a mother versus being a business professional being a mother's been culturally put down upon pop culture wants to kind of demean being a mother
00:29:36
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i I
Reevaluating Education: Traditional vs. Alternatives
00:29:37
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agree. Important job in society by far and away. And honestly, why would a woman want to go work for the man who just wants to work her butt off and doesn't care about her and will just take everything she's got to give rather than be part of a family with a man who absolutely loves and adores her and her children.
00:29:58
Speaker
It just makes no sense to me. This whole feminist movement is... has destroyed the foundation of a strong and prosperous society.
00:30:09
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ah And i I actually, I'm actually right now opposed to college for anybody because college has become a woke indoctrination center. I got my master's degree from Georgetown University. I was very proud to go to school there and ah achieve that level of academic success.
00:30:26
Speaker
But my oldest son decided not to go to college. He's working full time. He said, everything I was going to learn in school, I'm learning on the job. And I don't have to spend four years, you know, drinking and partying to learn. it I can start working right away. And I got to tell you, unless you're going to become a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer, or some type of profession where having that designation is is needed for you to have that job.
00:30:51
Speaker
I don't think college today makes any sense anymore. Not traditional college, something like Peterson Academy. Absolutely. and I signed up for Peterson Academy. I think that's great. But traditional college, heck no, not at all.
00:31:03
Speaker
I agree with you completely. if there's If there's something that needs to be reformed, it's higher education. but actually All education needs to be reformed. But higher education absolutely needs to be reformed. and But what it is, it's a big profit center. It's a big industry.
00:31:17
Speaker
Yep. And i see I saw with my daughters in elementary school where they they were there in college day, right? And they're supposed to talk what college they want to go to. Nowhere in there was talks about career day or or or trade day or military day.
00:31:34
Speaker
So because what they're doing is they're pushing colleges because, listen, it's a huge profit center. These colleges are sitting on billions and billions and billions of dollars of endowments. and they keep it because it's And then you look at the cost benefit of going to college to get a degree in something you'll get a you'll go get a job in that can't pay off the student loan for two decades.
00:31:56
Speaker
There's... there is It doesn't make any sense. like It's becoming problematic. And the fact is we need to be honest with people and we need to tell people, one, not everyone needs to go to college.
00:32:10
Speaker
And that should be, that should be started. We should be having that conversation with kids when they enter, enter high school. I think, I think high school should be restructured. I mean, I'd love to have some time to talk to you about my vision on what that would be, but I would, I would take high school, cut it in half.
00:32:26
Speaker
Meaning you go to, you do your first two years. And then at that inflection point at sophomore year, you you decide, do you think you're going to go to a four-year college or do you think you want to go to a trade? Because then what the next two years are is those two years in college, which is probably the first two years in college. You know this.
00:32:45
Speaker
You're getting your ju general education credits out of way. It's just glorified high school. You're taking the exact same classes you took. Now you're paying a ton of money to do it. There's no need for that. That should be taken care of in the last two years of high school.
00:32:56
Speaker
If you're going to four-year, you get the general education out of the way. And what's beautiful about it is that those credits are taken care of. And then the school system, meaning the state pays for that, which by I'm a believer in the state paying for the the the education from kindergarten up to up to senior in high school.
00:33:15
Speaker
and And, then, but then if you're deciding your sophomore year, if you you want to go trade that the next two years, your junior and senior year are you taking your trade, going to a trade school in high school? So when you leave high school, you've already got your trade.
00:33:31
Speaker
You now go from there, right into a job. You're already entering into a job, ready to go trained, skilled. You can now be working toward becoming a ah tradesman,
00:33:41
Speaker
And I, it instead of going out and then having to find that school, going and paying for it, it's taken care of. You already know it. So you literally graduate high school, an electrician, a plumber, whatever that is.
00:33:54
Speaker
I think that i think that's it's so important. I think our kids are wasting so much time and resources. Like there's no reason why first two years of college, they're not learning what they're going there for.
00:34:06
Speaker
Like if you're going to go because you want to learn film, which I don't understand anyway, why someone goes to a four-year school, ends up doing five years, they get a degree in film. When you can go to a great film school in Los Angeles,
00:34:17
Speaker
ah Take it for a year to two years and you got what you need to do film, right? why do you need to go ah Why do you need to go to Stanford to take ah to get a degree in film. and Again, if you're gonna be a doctor, if you're gonna be a lawyer, if you're gonna be an engineer, those things make sense.
00:34:33
Speaker
But there's so many degrees that don't make sense for kids to do be getting. Those should should be selected to your schools. They go there and they start learning right away from day one. They start learning whatever they're gonna do for their career.
00:34:45
Speaker
Then they can graduate with that diploma, save money, and then go start their lives instead of being burdened with debt. Amen. hundred percent 100%. So let's switch gears.
00:34:57
Speaker
Thousand Death Threats. What's that all about?
00:35:02
Speaker
You and I have had the conversation about this. I remember were talking about it. remember Stefan and yeah he did the book. and ah Well, what's interesting is Like in 2020, past then, like the the cold quote kind of became really part of the zeitgeist of what's going on. It had been sitting out there. had been in my book for like four or five years before then. yeah and know And so it hadn't really gotten much notice.
00:35:25
Speaker
And suddenly now, I think because of the election, somebody in the Republicans, somebody conservative, it it's it's just became kind of boom, this whole thing. Yeah. What was interesting is post the election, like I was getting, i think it was 2021 or 22 after COVID, I got, i started getting, met because there are some groups that have used the quote, probably not the nicest groups that exist out there, but now somehow I'm supposed to be attached to those people, right?
00:35:53
Speaker
There was some kind of, there was some kind of a white power group or something that used it for some kind of propaganda for themselves on their site somewhere. And that's fine. but mean, it's fine because the quote is now out to the world for the world to use whatever they want. Right.
00:36:11
Speaker
And it somehow someone I think was Axios reached out to me. And of course, the typical liberal kind of ah journalist with the great With the gotcha question, like essentially framing it to yeah framing it like like, how do you feel what is your responsibility that a group like this is using, essentially trying to tie me to this. like If I had this and they are using it, therefore, then I must believe in exactly what these people say.
00:36:45
Speaker
Just because someone's using it, I'm now i'm now clearly tied to these these these people. And then that took on, then from there, it went into Reddit. And then Reddit, it's just a freaking cesspool, right? And then Reddit, people like making threats, like I'm a Nazi.
00:37:00
Speaker
Like you name all the things that could be. I was labeled all those things. I was deserved to I was getting death threats and they ate me. I should die. I should for having a quote i should die for having a quote That talks about, I mean, it's, it's really quite amazing that so many people would be, yeah, would have, would have was such a visceral reaction to something like that.
00:37:28
Speaker
And it's, I find it one, it if you read it and you're upset about it, you're a little, you're the weak guy. Yeah, you are. I mean, know you're the one going, hi, I'm the weak man you're talking That's why i'm so pissed off.
00:37:41
Speaker
And that's what you're telling me. ye And then I'm like, so what is it about the weak man that really upsets you? Like, what is it that you feel in your heart? Like, why is it that this hard man creates good time? What does that mean to you? Like, I am genuinely curious. Like, what do they think a hard man is? Like, what is it that they're so upset about?
00:37:59
Speaker
I, I, I've never really got a real answer except I'm just, I'm a, I'm just a Nazi. So that's the only answer I've ever gotten when I asked me what you're just a Nazi. Oh, thanks. Thanks. I'm a Nazi. Thanks.
00:38:10
Speaker
Really real, some deep intellectual diving on these people's part. But yeah, I got a lot of, I got a lot of hate. I don't get as much now, but I got a lot, a lot of hate when that thing really began very, very popular. I think Donald Trump Jr. Posted it somewhere and that thing took off.
00:38:26
Speaker
Then it was on. Yeah. Well, um when you're getting flack, that means you're flying over the target. Yes. And my ah my woman, who's a brilliant and beautiful woman, ah she and I were talking because, as you know, we had an election in Canada this week and the Conservative Party lost.
00:38:46
Speaker
to the Liberal Party. um She and I were disappointed, upset, mildly depressed. And she said to me when I was speaking to her this morning, she said, hon, liberal people...
00:38:59
Speaker
in politics tend to be conniving, underhanded, cunning, and all they're interested in is getting power. The conservative people in politics tend to be you know more honorable, honest, and they want the right thing to happen for people.
00:39:14
Speaker
And this this, she's never been a partisan person in her life. You know what I mean? This is like, this is just her observation of things in Canada, the US s and whatnot. And then she also said that I find that conservative people, and she doesn't even like those terms, conservative. She says the people who identify with the conservative side of things tend to be free thinkers. They think for themselves. They don't agree with everything their side agrees with.
00:39:41
Speaker
You know what I mean? And they can admit when they're wrong. But the the liberals, they are weak-minded. They can't engage in critical thinking very well. And they...
00:39:56
Speaker
uncritically accept whatever their side is supposed to accept. They'll even change their opinion of five minutes ago if they hear that, oh, no, no, no, that's not the approved opinion anymore. When she said this to me, I i automatically said, well, of course, I've known this for a long time, but everyone thinks of me as this conservative because I'm out there, hard on my sleeve about my my politics and my opinions and my philosophies.
00:40:22
Speaker
But Theresa isn't. Theresa loves everybody, and everybody loves Theresa. For someone like her to come to this conclusion shows me that the left so far gone that they've lost the non-political normal people who want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but no longer can.
00:40:42
Speaker
And I'm wondering what your comments are on that. I think you've seen the way the left, the hard left, which we've talked about before, have gone to such extremes that – On basic issues that are within the United States, lay there's this whole 80-20 issue.
Political Disillusionment and Future Prospects
00:41:00
Speaker
you know when You look at 80% of the American people want this. and Then there's been there's someone defending MS-13 gangbangers. What? I think that's a 97-3 issue, brother, the MS-13 one. yeah what but but You get the point of what I'm making. and and then so what you're doing What's happening now is that
00:41:18
Speaker
The left has gone so far. yeah They are like losing people that never would have said anything. they These are people looking at, like where's the common sense? Wait a minute. You're defending MS-13 gang. but You're flying to el Salvador? like How has that helped me as an American?
00:41:37
Speaker
How did it help me in the state of Maryland? like what I don't understand. You're supposed to be my senator, and you're flying down there to take care of a guy who beats his wife. What? And I think that's when you're starting to see common sense people like your woman are like, what is happening?
00:41:52
Speaker
Like this isn't, there's, what are you doing? Like, don't you know, we have this issue. We have to confront with this. We should be dealing with this. we got all these things that you're worried about that. And I'm sure they have those same kind of things happening in Canada. the Like the left is, the left will cheerlead an issue. It's like, how does that even benefit anybody? It's like, it's like you're picking to work on an issue that has nothing to do with anything.
00:42:15
Speaker
and That won't benefit a soul, yet they will champion it and go after it. um I think, too, that I know you know my wife, too, has not been overly political, but I i know in the past, ever since Trump you know came in on the scene, that she's become more and more more and more political, more and more outspoken.
00:42:36
Speaker
It's because I think a lot of the left has become, they're actually anti-woman. So, when you look at like this almost like fourth wave of feminism, that's kind of what we're looking at now with the progressives.
00:42:47
Speaker
It's like they consider a man who calls himself a woman more of a woman than a biological woman now. That's kind of where the left is. That's literally how they stand. They will look at a trans woman as being more woman than a biological woman.
00:43:02
Speaker
It's like, what? And so, I think this turn, when you look at just women in general who have been apolitical like ours, they're like, what is happening? Like, I'm a woman. No, you're just whatever. They come up with names for those women where they like, you know, they have all those weird generic names like breastfeeder or whatever they are. You know what I'm saying? it's like It's like chest feeders. right Chest feeders. It's like, like um I'm no, I'm a woman.
00:43:26
Speaker
And I think they've really offended to the point of no return for some of these women and they've lost them. And then they started messing with their kids. Yeah. When you look at the school here, you mess with their kids, man. It's on.
00:43:39
Speaker
It's on. They'll rip you to shreds, man. They'll rip you to shreds. And I'd be curious if it's happening in Canada. like We have a lot of our – the Muslim communities become more and more conservative because the Democrats in Michigan and this Minnesota, and these these kind of northern states that border Canada – and have really gone against the family. And if you do look at the Muslim community, it's when you look at it outside of the religion, their their value system is very conservative, right?
00:44:08
Speaker
They believe in the family structure. They have ah they have a a deep, you know, seated faith in ah in a religion, right? um They believe they believe that ah what a man is. They know what a man is. They know what a woman is. They they know they understand the roles of things and that children where children should be. and children And I think they've lost, ah and with went you know,
00:44:28
Speaker
It would interesting you would look at they would say current conservatives are anti-Muslim or Islamic phobic. But you see a lot of Muslims coming the side over to the right and the conservative side because of what the left's doing.
00:44:39
Speaker
They'll let this anti-family and the ah the Muslim, the core of muslim of the Muslim community are all families. They're families. They're trying to put their kids to school. They want they want the dream ah that that they can get in Canada or they can get in, you know, and in the United States.
00:44:53
Speaker
And now they're confronted with, well, wait a minute. What? You want to make my little girl a boy? What are you talking about? No, I just want them to get an education. That's it. you know And I think they're they're really losing a lot. I'm actually still – I'm disappointed in the election in Canada. I can understand what happened. I think the Trump influence was too much to overcome there.
00:45:15
Speaker
I, I, I think he overstepped on that in some regard. um He did. but I don't see how getting, I don't see how carny. ah so You're just going to get the same you've had for last nine years. I don't understand how, like, if you weren't happy with what you have, why'd you just double down on it? Like,
00:45:33
Speaker
Well, here's what you want to understand. So I saw an analysis by my friend Ezra Levant of Rebel News, and I was on his program ah making the case for Pierre Polyev and the conservatives a few weeks ago.
00:45:46
Speaker
um I'll send you that link because it's it's a very, very good interview he did of my with me. But he he took a look at the polls that have been taken ah since ah early 2024, and that's when Trudeau was in charge of the liberals and the liberals were tanking in the polls.
00:46:04
Speaker
The conservative share of the vote in those polls has consistently been high 30s to mid 40s. So right around 40, 41, 42% of the vote.
00:46:17
Speaker
That's what they actually ended up getting. They got 42% of the vote. So Donald Trump opening his mouth did not cause an erosion of conservative support.
00:46:28
Speaker
Conservatives continued to support Pierre Poiliev at the same level. it had no effect on his on his level of support. What it did do... was it spooked the progressives. And there are two other besides the liberals, there are two other progressive parties. One of them is called the NDP, the New Democratic Party, and the other one's called the Green Party.
00:46:50
Speaker
And the NDP was polling at 17%, 18%. The Greens at about 4% to 6%. The Greens and the and NDP deliberately created their own support To have that lead off to the liberals to stop the conservatives when Trump got in. So it spooked the liberals who then did what they did.
00:47:10
Speaker
So I agree with you. Trump shouldn't have said what he said because then the the NDP and the Greens would have stayed where they are and we would now be looking at a majority conservative government. But – The truth of the matter is Canada is primarily a center-left nation. The United States is primarily a center-right nation.
00:47:29
Speaker
We won pretty close to our ceiling of conservative votes. In any other election in the last 40 years, that vote total for a conservative would mean a super majority because of all these other parties taking the votes. But this became essentially a two-horse race, and we couldn't win that.
00:47:46
Speaker
For us to win a two-horse race... We need to find a way to get some of those progressives to become conservative voters. And we haven't, you know, that's a problem for us to figure out and solve at the moment.
00:47:58
Speaker
um I also believe that Pierre Polyev did an excellent job. His campaign was brilliant. um And the conservatives ended up winning more than 20 seats.
00:48:09
Speaker
Right. So they did well. they The liberals, though, also ended up winning another eight or nine seats. the new The NDP and the Bloc Québécois, those two parties, they just lost a ton of seats.
00:48:22
Speaker
And that's really, really why we are where we are. you know In my opinion, um the conservatives are in a good place. i don't think that Carney is um intending to govern in a way that's going to help the people.
00:48:37
Speaker
That's why I think his minority government, because he has a minority government, not a majority government, is not going to last. And as a result of that, I think there'll be another election soon. Ezra Levant thinks it'll be in a year or so.
00:48:49
Speaker
and and And he believes Pierre Polyev will win that election. And I think the and NDP is going to have a new leader. This new leader is not going to try to tank the party. They're going to want to get their seats back. That'll be all she wrote.
00:49:00
Speaker
So there you have it. um donald trump closinging analysi Donald Trump's influence was real. um No question about it. And it was not positive.
00:49:12
Speaker
But Canada still, I think, will have an appetite for change because the policies this man's going to put in place are going to piss off a lot of the people who ended up voting for him. Yeah, I don't see it. It's going change anything.
00:49:23
Speaker
like a i It's to – it seems like more of the same. Right. Well, the government, yes, which I don't think is going to work for them. And I think that they're going to eventually face a confidence motion.
00:49:36
Speaker
And ah if they lose that confidence motion, then there'll be another election. and I think they're going to lose the confidence motion rather than win it sooner rather than later. So let's just end up seeing. But it is what it is.
00:49:48
Speaker
We move forward. um As the late, great Ted Kennedy said, you know, um The hope lives on, the dream and you know the promise lives, and the dream will never die.
00:50:02
Speaker
And that's how we feel about Canada. yeah the um Yeah. Speaking of that, yeah like how are they how are the Canadians taking Trump's ah comments?
00:50:16
Speaker
He's already very vocal. Those comments are what caused spooked a bunch of them to wanting to vote for the Liberal Party. So that's how they're taking it. Yeah. There's a strain in Canada that loves the U.S. but has a love-hate relationship with it. and So when comments like 51st State come up, yeah those people get pissed off and you know they start voting emotionally and not logically. That happened to people I know, personal friends of mine.
00:50:41
Speaker
And one of them, I'm like, are you a fool? Are you an idiot? Why would you do this? And he's just defending his position to the point where... I was not letting go. and he says, well, I'm not going to respond to you anymore. And I go, you do whatever you want, but i'm going to keep hammering you because you deserve to be hammered over this. you know Well, it well it that's the kind of interesting, i when Bill Maher, the HBO political comic comment, you know who he is, Bill Maher.
00:51:04
Speaker
Yeah, of course. and Went to the White House, he met with Trump, and he was like kind of blown away, kind of who Trump is. you know And I think the guy we see, he's just a showman. And I think all these comments... like Now, hear me out on this. The three kind of territorial comments he's made, actually four, he's made four.
00:51:23
Speaker
made a comment about Canada, 51st state. He's made a comment about Greenland. He's made a comment about Panama Canal and the comment about Gaza. So my take on this, the comment about to Canada, it was just, he was just trolling.
00:51:35
Speaker
buts He's being a showman. He's being an asshole. He's trolling. He was trolling Trudeau. It worked. But as soon as Trudeau was gone, he should have just cooled his jets, but he didn't. He just keeps trolling. Because nowhere is that ever going to happen.
00:51:49
Speaker
Never going to happen. This is not going to happen. This is going to happen. But i do have a question about and something connected to that, and I'll come back to that because I'm just curious. You're here as a Canadian. The Greenland comment.
00:52:01
Speaker
I think he's dead serious about that. I think he'd love to take Greenland as ah as a U.S. territory. more well And the Panama Canal, 100%. And the Panama, because I think the Chinese, I mean, what the pan Panamanians are doing there with it is absurd. Letting the Chinese essentially de facto control it is bullshit. And no one in the free world should want the Chinese controlling the Panama Canal. Let's just say that.
00:52:21
Speaker
Done. Whatever. We should want the United States to control of that. Done. Period. I think that's fine. Then Gaza. I think the comment in Gaza was strictly to get other nations in the Middle East to move and to try to say, well, we don't want the United States sitting here.
00:52:39
Speaker
We don't want that. So what are we going to do? And and you saw movement. We saw things happening from him making that comment. We saw other nations start in the Middle East start to make movement like, well, hold on, hold on. Why don't we go in there? Why don't we invest in it? Why we rebuild it and all that? So I think not everything he does. I think it's I think some things he's genuine about and others he's just trolling and others he's playing some kind of a game to get people to, to move to action.
00:53:03
Speaker
Um, But I do have a question. like When you look at the provinces, what what are the stipulations legally there for a province to secede from Canada? I don't know, to be honest with you. That's an interesting question.
00:53:16
Speaker
um What if Alberta goes, listen, what's happening in Ottawa is not aligned with how we believe. We have a lot of natural resources. We could be a very strong nation based on our you know oil and gas. There's a lot talk about that. There's a lot of talk about that right now. and The premier of Alberta has um passed a um ah law in Alberta that um seems to give her the option to start a process around that.
00:53:43
Speaker
The federal government has always said, you can't leave once you're here. But the provincial governments have said, hey, we're going to have a referendum. And if the people vote for it, we're going to do it.
00:53:54
Speaker
Quebec twice vote on whether not- remember those. And yeah both of those failed, but barely. One of them, the second one barely failed. There hasn't been another attempt at that since.
00:54:07
Speaker
um But that's really what it's about. Yeah, um I would just be curious. you know um with with one I don't have an answer for you. And I don't think i don't think um constitutionally there is a good answer that, yes, there's a way to do it.
00:54:23
Speaker
The people on the Federalist side would say there absolutely isn't. ah But the people in Alberta right now, there's 30% support for secession in 30%. Think about it. What would the Canadian government do?
00:54:38
Speaker
Like if if if the Albertans say we're out, are they going to go and arrest them? Like what are they going to do? Send the military to stop Alberta from becoming an independent republic? I mean I'd be curious. It's an interesting thought exercise. I kind of go down like what exactly is – If Alberta decides to secede, I suspect they'll do nothing. They'll hem and haw and they won't do But um I could be wrong. They could send the military in.
00:55:02
Speaker
Who knows? I mean, what were they prepared to do about Quebec? Were they going to let Quebec go? or was it how would but how would I knew all the talk back then. but was the like What was the answer from Ottawa the federal government? Were they going to allow it? like Were they going to honor the will of the people?
00:55:17
Speaker
They didn't say anything. They didn't say anything. The referendum happened and it failed, so they buried it. Like I said, can Alberta do this? Sure. Will Alberta do this?
00:55:29
Speaker
Not sure. I think the threat of it will be enough to bring the Canadian government to the table. And the threat of it is- bully i i think i think that's how you I think that's how Canadians deal with the liberal government. bets That's there.
00:55:41
Speaker
I think do create a block that says, we're not- Nope. You either do what we want or we're out. I think it's coming to a point of like, i mean, look at the resources.
00:55:53
Speaker
If those block of provinces just said we're out. If Alberta and Saskatchewan leave Canada, there's no reason for a Canada exist. some I'm telling you that. Look at all those natural resources are gone. du and And I know that probably I'm sure.
00:56:09
Speaker
Canada's government and Canada's. you know we're We're getting near the end of our time together today, so this will probably need to be on another conversation. But the Canadian government has something called equalization payment, where they basically tax the richer provinces and give that money to the poorer ones. So Alberta has been paying that money to Quebec and the eastern provinces for decades, and they're sick of it. Really? Yeah.
00:56:36
Speaker
Oh, yeah, they're sick of it. And this is one of the things. Yeah, it's bullshit, but it's being done. It's one of the things that the premier of Alberta, Danielle Smith, is putting on the table and saying, we're not putting up with this anymore.
00:56:47
Speaker
So it'll be interesting to see what happens. um My own thinking is that the threat of secession will be enough to force the federal government to negotiate. And if it chooses not to negotiate, that threat will be um more than just a threat.
00:57:05
Speaker
It'll be something that will actually happen. And then what do they do? then what i got i got i can't let you go real quick. And then what do they do? Do they align themselves with the United States or do become independent republics?
00:57:18
Speaker
it's good its I think it's a fascinating topic, by the way. i think it's fascinating. And I think you and i you know and you and I will discuss it as we discussed next week when we have that other call we're going to have for that other reason.
00:57:30
Speaker
But okay the truth of the matter is um the truth of the matter is that in my opinion, it's not going to get to that. That's my personal opinion.
00:57:41
Speaker
But if it does get to that, I think it'll happen quickly. If the Canadian government chooses not to negotiate in good faith with Alberta and some of the other Western provinces, they will very quickly mobilize to leave.
00:57:57
Speaker
But in my opinion, they're going to cave because premier of Alberta, she's a tough cookie. She's Canada's Iron Lady, right? Oh, no, I've seen her. She's impressive.
00:58:07
Speaker
She's impressive. She's the tough cookie. And Mark Carney is a pussy. He's a pussy. He's a pussy. So we got tough lady versus the pussy. What you want to do?
00:58:19
Speaker
All right, brother, as always, ah pleasure to have you on the show. God bless you. um And look forward to the next time we have this conversation. All brother. Thank you, Sam, for the opportunity. Be well.
00:58:33
Speaker
Yeah, man, you bet. And folks, um Jeff, under his um professional name, G. Michael Hopp, has written over 40 novels. um They've sold millions of copies.
00:58:47
Speaker
He is a ah international number one best-selling author. All of his books are are great. His latest one, The Cries of a Dying World, is particularly good. And his very first one that I read, it's called The End, is one of the best books of a dystopian future that I've ever come across or read in my life.
00:59:12
Speaker
And I highly recommend that you pick up those two books as a start. Thank you. Yes. And they can get them on Amazon. Thanks a lot. Amazon.
00:59:24
Speaker
We'll make sure we put those links in the show notes. Cheers, man. Thanks, Nicky.
00:59:30
Speaker
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