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E15 - Sierra Shannon
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Join Alasdair as he talks to Sierra Shannon about all things hiking, travelling and building overland rigs!
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Guest Introduction: Sierra Shannon
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on this week's episode, we have Sierra Shannon. Sierra, how are you today? Hi, I'm doing good. How are you? Yeah, doing very well. Thank you so much for joining me this week. I've followed you on Instagram for ah worth a little while now. i got into overlanding, which we'll talk about later, a couple of years ago, and you're one of the first accounts I saw and super, super inspiring. But why don't you tell listeners just a little bit about who you are?
Journey in Overlanding and Vehicle Modifications
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Yeah, thank you. I appreciate the the constant support. So I'm Sierra, alternately known as Vixen Outback. I really just love the overlanding space. There's a lot that I love about it, but mainly just bringing people out into nature. And that's been my goal for a long time.
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But the account more so started as a um just a way to show off the forerunner. I really liked it. I bought it and it was all built out for overlanding. But throughout the I think I've owned it for four years now. Throughout those four years, I've kind of switched the build um and basically everything on it is is new from what I wanted to build it out as. so That's so awesome. Yeah, I've definitely got a bit of 4Runner envy.
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um I was buying it. I sold my truck three years ago and was determined just to buy a cash car. um And it was like, do I get the Ford Explorer with 120,000 miles the 4Runner with 250,000 miles?
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or the forerunner with two hundred and fifty thousand miles because I was determined to be disciplined and stick to the budget. So I got the Ford Explorer, and it's been great. But I see some of these forerunners either built out or just rolling around on the street.
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And man, they're nice cars. They really are. Mine actually has, I think, 250,000 miles now. i bought it at 217 a few years back and it's just, it's an amazing car. So yeah, I look at them still on like Facebook marketplace and things and you know, people are selling them with, I mean, well over 300,000 miles on them and they run fantastically well. So oh yeah so would fingers crossed, that'll be, that'll be the next purchase at some point, but hopefully not too soon.
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But at some point. And then
California Overlanding Community and Hobbies
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you're based in California. Is that right? Yeah, I'm in SoCal. In SoCal. Very nice. Because I was trying to think if we connected or if I found your account through Canthropology.
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I think I'm not sure if you know him, Roland. I'm not sure. He's a camping guy in SoCal as well. He's just north of San Diego. um But I was thinking about that quite how I found you and several other people out in that area who do overlanding.
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Yeah, I've definitely been to a few of those events down there, but I'm not sure if i recognize that name. OK, it might have been him to somebody else to you. um I don't remember. um But in addition to overlanding, you've got a small laundry list of outdoor activities you certainly enjoy.
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um Like I told you before, we started recording. I thought, I'll have a quick look at your website, but i didn't want to read too much. um And the first one that jumped out at me was shooting. And I'll tell you why.
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Because I grew up in Scotland. you know Simply, let's just say guns don't exist. They exist, but they're not it's not part the culture. My wife grew up in New Jersey with a family that hunted and went to the range and that this and that. that And she realized a few weeks ago, she quite she missed it You just going to shoot some targets and and what would you call Getting some range time. I'm not sure what the f phrase Yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah. um So actually, this past weekend, I called a friend of mine who is a a firearms instructor, and we met at the range and spent a few hours there. It was my first time ever experiencing that.
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My wife had a blast and really, well, literally and figuratively, really enjoyed it. i I kind of get it I kind of get it, you know, and it was I've lived in Texas for quite a while now, and I think it's good to immerse yourself and try these things and not stand away from them. You you got to try these things and see what you think.
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Gun Rights and Personal Safety in Overlanding
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kind of get it. I found myself asking questions. what What is shooting always being part of your life? Is it more just about defense or do you do other things as well? Yeah, well, I mean, you know, as American, like upholding our constitution is is great. Like it's our right and it can be used for both sport and defense.
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um I personally just enjoy it. It's a fun hobby for me, but I do have my my concealed carry as well. I know some states have open carry, but California is a bit more strict. So as a female overlander,
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um I go with my fiance a lot, but when I don't, I need some form of protection. So having that with you as a constitutional, um you know, as a constitutional protection is amazing.
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But my fiance was a Marine, so he is well versed in the gun world. So i I kind of grew up with it, with shooting a little bit here and there. My mom wasn't a huge fan, but my dad was. He really wanted us to know safety, um get a little bit of experience moving forwards into an adulthood lives.
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And then when I met my fiance, he was the one that kind of brought me more into the world, educated me a bit more, trained me. um And yeah, I mean, that was pretty much my experience. So I'm not like super experienced, but it's a fun hobby on the side. And I do enjoy it. And I i would like to get more into the shooting side of it, like in terms of hunting.
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um not rushing said I'd like to get more into the hunting side of it because I feel like it's definitely a fun hobby and you can actually use what you get, which I'm all about, like being self-sufficient, self-sustainable.
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And I feel like getting your own meat would be pretty cool. So. That's really interesting. It's one of those things that um led me to be more open to it was especially back home. But I mean, everywhere people will understandably kind of go, oh, hunting, couldn't do it, blood and guts. And and I understand.
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but unless you're a vegetarian or a vegan, and and I am not, and I was that guy, it's a bit hypocritical. Like it's, a you know, a little bit, you know, that where did your food come from kind of thing.
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Yeah, you you don't want to see it, but you want it. Right. You know, that that doesn't quite, and and like I said, I was that guy, and I still am a little bit, but I acknowledge the hypocrisy. um But my father-in-law is, like I said, a life lifelong hunter, and he's also, you know, explained to me in detail what happens to some of these old animals in nature.
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Not pleasant. Not pleasant at all. um So really, looking at the humane side of things, it's really not inhumane at all. No, it's also population control too. Like when you're you're overpopulating an area and these animals are taking over or there's an invasive species like the boars in Texas, they're really invasive they're not supposed to be there.
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So eliminating the invasive species, making sure that the population is self-sustaining and not exceeding what the natural resources can sustain important. Yeah, i'm I'm involved a little bit with Texas Parks and Wildlife and listen to their podcasts and read their magazines and things.
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And there's a lot of that. um You'll know more than I do, I'm sure. But is is it javelinas or wild pigs that were introduced? Things like that they talk about. And it's, ah yeah yeah, you think about the flip side, if there was no hunting or nobody did it, the world would look very different and not in a good way.
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Yeah, and those animals would just be roaming all over and pretty invasive. Yeah, nobody would like that. I will forget if I don't do it right now, so congratulations, getting married, that's awesome.
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Thank you. So congratulations to you and your fiancรฉe. you very much. But yeah, the shooting was, it was like said, eye-opening. I don't like to say no to things without good reason or without having tried them.
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But I find myself asking questions, and I think knowledge is key um in this situation. Yeah, definitely. I mean, knowledge around guns is kind of what, what, um,
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I would say non not having the knowledge on a gun is what perpetuates those negative stereotypes. So it's good to educate yourself on those and then actually understand that they can be used for peace and for fun um and not the negatives.
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so Absolutely. And for me, it was even things like we were sitting in this sort of retail space outside waiting for our friend. And I was looking at the people that came in to practice. This was Saturday morning.
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Not who you would think a lot of the time. And that was a good thing. Again, the diversity of people coming in to practice, to get something, to clean their weapons, whatever it was. And again, that was, I like it secretly when I'm proven wrong about things like that. You know, it's like, all right, this is good for me to not get too stuck into what I assume is correct.
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Yeah. But good for you. Yeah, the self-protection is something my wife and I have discussed a lot. And yeah, I'm glad that that's something that you are able to do there. Now also on your website you talk about hiking which is of my main outdoor
Travel Adventures and Hiking Stories
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activity.
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You live in California where you're in my head you're spoiled for choice. Yeah. Yeah do you go hiking a lot while you're there or is it when you go to other places? I go hiking, but um more so where I live exactly. We don't really have a ton of trails. We just have like one or two kind of minimal trails.
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um So more so I use those as like training for the actual hikes that I love. So my fiance and I are huge travelers. That's another thing that we love to do. I think it's on the website somewhere, but we just went to, oh oh my God, that was a year ago. Last September, we went to Norway.
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And we were doing all these amazing hikes, just gorgeous views, crazy kind of crazy hikes like you're climbing up the side of a mountain and it's like literally bouldering up it. um But some fun things like i'm not i'm I'm not like in rock crawling or like rock climbing shape, um but we do like hiking stuff like that. So it's it's fun.
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Yeah, that's sort similar to me in a sense as I'm not off the deep end with any of this. um Like I've got good friends who are, you know, through hikers, triple crowners, done the eighty t all those things.
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And that's wonderful. And maybe one day that door will open for me, but I can go for three or four days, couple of nights, do 100 miles, 80 miles, and that gets of my system. Yeah.
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you know and then just go for so weekend hikes yeah um no Norway I've never made it to I've bounced around quite a bit of Europe but Norway is is top of the list Unbelievable. Definitely a country. Norway and Iceland are two of the countries that I highly recommend um in terms of adventure travel, like outdoors space.
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In terms of food, I'm on the Italy side. Right. Well, yeah yeah, I'm right there with you. Italian food is up there with Mexican food for me. Like if you had to choose one kind of food to only eat it it'd be one of those two.
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My fiance and I disagree on that. He's Mexican. I'm Italian. there you go pepper side So our sides. Right. i love it. Yeah. Iceland, I swear, has become really popular over the last five years. And, know, people renting sort of a small camper van and driving around. And it looks pretty idyllic as well, both in Reykjavik and outside the city.
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Yeah, it's a pretty, pretty crazy cool country because it's just like you're driving down ah like basically a field and you look to your left and there's a rock face with a waterfall coming out of it.
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And you're like, oh, that wasn't there 50 feet ago where it was just planes. So it's an insane country. Yeah, and there's quite a lot of flights. i think this might have ah maybe talking nonsense, but I think the Icelandic government made a lot of deals with airlines to have stopovers there to increase tourism, and it's it's worked.
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Yeah, it's smart. Yeah, I would absolutely. So if you if you had to choose one place, your favorite place you've been, is it can you choose one? That's so hard to choose. Right. um I would probably say Italy.
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Right. I just, I love the history. i love the culture. I love the food. I'm Italian, like more than 50% Italian. So it it just, It flows for me, but second would definitely be Norway and Iceland is a very close third. I love it.
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Yeah, I've only been to i've been to the north of Italy and was there for like two days, so it doesn't really, I got a taste of it, but I cannot wait to go back. Yeah. Yeah, very much looking forward to that.
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Now, again, looking through your website, I was pretty excited to see you've listed nerd stuff. So yeah we're going there because I think some of us, set we all have a closet nerd, I think, inside of us, some bigger than others.
Nerdy Interests: Books and Movies
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I'm kind of right there with you. I've got Friends Funko Pops behind me. I'm curious as to what your nerd stuff entails. I love reading. um I have since I was a kid.
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So for me, I mean, Harry Potter, Hunger Games, all that stuff as a kid, absolutely loved it. um My fiance recently got me into Star Wars. So I also like Star Wars now.
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But Harry Potter will always be my, my like main book series that I i love. I love it. um I cannot remember the name of the coffee shop, but I'm from Scotland and in Edinburgh, there's the coffee shop where JK Rowling wrote the first book.
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I have it saved on my map because we were supposed to go last month. oh yeah Oh, that's right. Of course. Yeah, we talked about that. um Yeah. And I like Harry Potter. I don't consider myself a fan. I enjoyed, I've read one book and seen a couple of the movies. They're good.
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It's still even for me a cool thing to have seen that. yeah like that's It's almost like modern history. like Everybody knows Harry Potter. Oh yeah. it is sort I mean, especially if you're from Scotland, that's one of the main spots for it.
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Yeah, absolutely. um I did walk up, there there's a real street in Edinburgh, the name's gone out in my head, that Diagon Alley is based on. And there certainly was a very small Harry Potter touristy shop on it.
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Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, so that's it's a really cool street regardless because of the way it bends. I'll need to find the name and send it to you. um And oddly, I'd never seen a single episode of Star Wars until this past weekend.
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Really? I was being given a really, for no reason, I've got nothing against it, it's just never, never watched it. Some co-workers of mine were, they were contemplating trying to fire me because this was sacrilege in their books. They're all really into Star Wars.
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So I watched most of episode four, which I believe is the one you're meant to start with. um Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And so far, so good. We had to go out, so i didn't get to finish it, but I will. Yeah.
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so They're long movies. They're not not short in any might means. And they they take a lot of mental capacity when you're watching them because you're constantly having to remember characters' names and and stories and plot lines. I love Star Wars. It's great.
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But Harry Potter will always be it for me. I love that. I love that. um but So let's get into this overlanding just a little bit. um
Customizing the 4Runner for Overlanding
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I'll just tell you, like I said, I've always been to camping and that kind of thing.
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And several years ago, um we camped overnight at Texas State Park. it is The name has suddenly out of my head.
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Doesn't matter at all. And we camped in the back of my wife's minivan. um And it was awesome. And then I thought, how could I really build out this Ford Explorer that I have? And I've done it on the cheap because it's really, it's mostly just me who uses it. My wife sometimes joins me.
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But like I built the bed just out of plywood and two by fours and, you know, low profile, big hefty drawer things that go underneath it. And, you know, keeping it cheap and keeping it simple because I don't know how long this car will last.
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But I kind of love the whole culture. I went to an overlanding get-together with, I think it was 90 vehicles a couple of months ago, and it was just amazing. like Like just every car is different, everyone's unique.
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Some people have clearly spent a couple of hundred dollars yeah and just done something fun. Some people have spent four, probably five figures. um So talk to me about how you got into overlanding in particular.
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Yeah, so I've been in the like outdoors, I guess you would say community ever since I was a kid. Like we would always go camping, we would always go hiking, we were always in nature, we were traveling a lot. So that's always been the space that I was like raised in I continued that throughout my youth and then now into adulthood.
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My dad, on the other hand, because that was my mom that would take us camping and everything. My dad was in the off-road community. he has He has a 76 or 77, I can't remember, Ford Bronco. And that's what he would overland or um off-road with.
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So he took it to you know Bronco bashes all the time. he would go to Death Valley and go take it over there and go take it on the Rubicon Trail, all these crazy off-roading stuff.
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um King of the Hammers he took me to for the first time. So finally and in 2021, I was like, okay, you know what? I need a four by four. I had a two wheel drive Tacoma and I was like, this is not doing it. Like I like to snowboard. I like to go hiking. I like to go in the snow. Like I can't have a two wheel drive.
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So finally fiance and I were on this road trip and he's looking at all these cars and he's like, he's like, this is a cool four. And he's like, I might buy And I was like, no, was like, I'm not selling your truck. was like, I'll take that.
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right So I ended up purchasing it and it works well. Cause he's too tall for it. Anyways. It, it, you know, he his head hits the roof. So he's got a tundra. But for me, the Forerunner works perfect.
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So three years ago, purchased that it was built up for off-roading at the time. So I was kind of more into off-roading. Then I realized how much I love camping. And I realized that a lot of people put rooftop tents on the top. But for me, the biggest part of that rooftop tent was, Hey, this is like 300 pounds.
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I don't want something that's going to be 300 pounds. So last year was when I found inspired overland. and they make a 90 pound rooftop tent. Wow.
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And I was like, okay, this is what I want. And I've been waiting for the right tent for a long time. i've had a few offers from companies saying, hey, try out a rooftop tent, we'll give it to you for free. And i was like, nah, it's too heavy, appreciate it, looks amazing, but that's not my build.
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And I found Inspired and i was like, this is this is the tent that I need. This is the one. Finally got my tent, built out my drawer system with solid woodworks. um Basically, same thing as you. It's just a a wood drawer system.
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And just finally built out the the Overlander. Previously, it was just tent camping. And it was still great, but it wasn't a wasn't true Overlanding, I guess.
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Right. I mean, I'm sure there's some people, you know, I'm just like, hey, just get outdoors, whatever that looks like. um Now, what does the weight, this might be a really obvious question, but I don't have a rooftop tent. I sleep inside and I quite like it and then put my stuff on the top.
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Is the weight really the base of the bed, you know, of the rooftop tent? is Is, you know, I'm just thinking that No, it's, um, they they actually use like, ah well, I mean, I guess, I guess, yeah, it would be the base, but it's not like it's that much weight. It's aluminum slats and then it's a mesh cover with a mattress over.
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okay Um, so there's no actual base to the inspired overland tent. It's ah nice like just a canvas base, which makes it super lightweight. and that's why they've been able to get away with making this a 90 pound tent is because they basically eliminated that base.
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So a lot of the weight just comes in the cover material. um It's like on the like the but outside fabric and then the sides where the support comes in. So and it's really impressive. It's a great tent.
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Yeah, like I said, it's not for my build, but I'm really interested in it now. So now we're looking at people who are innovative like that. And then, so you've got your build, you've been working on that. How did you, or what's what's the community like? so I know you're part of, especially, ah i don't know if it's exclusively a women's community that you're involved in or what. I'd love to hear a little more about this community.
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Yeah.
Ladies with Rigs: Community for Women in Overlanding
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Yeah. So, um, I mean, the overlanding community is great. There's a lot, it obviously, it's a very male dominated field, which isn't a bad thing. I bringing women to it is extremely important because it's not something that's promoted as much.
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So I actually started ladies with rigs. Um, just so I started it. That's wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. I started it last year. We made a calendar that was like the the initial release, We have a group chat on Instagram and Discord, and there's about, I think, maybe 150 girls from mainly SoCal, but a few of them are from like Washington, a few of them are from the East Coast, Texas, North Carolina.
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So there's a lot of us from all over the place, but it's just a space where women can really go to each other, ask questions, find support, like-minded people, um, And then camp, group trips.
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So we had a first group trip in June. It was just up to Mammoth. We did Alabama Hills, Mammoth, camped there for a few nights, made pizzas, hot spring, paddle boarded, and just enjoyed. so I love that. I love that when, you know, and a solo interest like creating your build turns into a community.
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yeah And then all these, I'm assuming, wonderful friendships and things like that, you know, kind of spawn from a joint love of overlanding. So that sounds like a really, a really wonderful thing. I'm so glad you've done that. And long may it continue and grow.
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Yes, thank you. Yeah, I've met some of my best friends in the Overlanding community, so it really is really is an amazing space to meet people. so I love that. Well, we're kind of getting to the end here, wrapping up, but I've got three questions I'd like to ask you, and I'm going to put you on the spot here. um First of all, we'll start with this one because we're talking about overlanding.
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um One piece of advice you'd give to somebody who's perhaps wanting to get into this community, into this space, where would be a good place to start to look at resources, how to start to build, things like that?
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ask your favorite
Advice for Overlanding Beginners
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influencer because they will 100% help you. The community for the overlanding community is just amazing. um But my biggest, my biggest recommendation, do not dump a lot of money into your rig.
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That is the, right no offense to the people that do good for you, but that is the worst possible situation. that As soon as you get a single scratch on your rig, as soon as you mess something up, you're going to feel so bad about all the money you just put into it.
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yeah Don't dump a ton of money into it. you can It's not about the the car. It's about the driver. If you are a good driver, you will be able to conquer most obstacles. Obviously, there's some limitations, but most obstacles you'll be able to conquer. You'll be able to sleep right if you have a tent or if you build out your own drawer system or you build out your own bed.
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There's no need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on your rigs. Yeah, I love that. It's very similar much to the hiking community. Some people are like, oh, do I need to go to, again, no offense anyone who does this, spend $400 on a pack and $300 on that.
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That's great if you want to do that, but there's no need. There's no need at all because that pack is going to get a stain, tear, a this, a that. you know I certainly started off with Ozark Trail, like and I'm not too good for it at all. Nobody is.
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you know Just enjoy it and, yeah, don't spend silly money. Mm-hmm. Second question for you is, is there a book or a piece of music that has had a huge impact on your life?
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I think I may already know the answer. I could say Harry Potter again. Yeah. I'll bring it to more of a, I'll bring it to two books. Okay. um I haven't fully read this one yet. I know I need to, but it's still made a huge impact because my mom preaches this as if this was the Bible, the four agreements, um just a spiritual way of living, basically fundamental principles of how to live an amazing life.
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Again, I haven't fully read it. i need to, but it is an amazing book. And i've I've pretty much learned most of what is in the book from my mom. And then the second one, How to Win Friends and Influence People.
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right Amazing book for learning how to navigate the world, maturing, maturing communication, um and business. So my two tops. I love that.
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I've read the second one, never read the four agreements. um One of the secret reasons I love doing this podcast is I compile a list of answers and it'll be my to-read list. Well, the Four Agreements is like a like a maybe 50-page book. Oh, okay. It's a day. A day. I love it.
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And my final question for you. If you could go overlanding for a long weekend with somebody, it could be somebody dead or alive, somebody you know or you've never met, famous, not famous, who would be one person you would love to go overlanding for a weekend with?
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Hmm.
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I know I'm putting you on the spot here a little bit.
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that's a That's a good one. I don't really have like famous people that I like look up to and go, oh my god, I really want to meet this person. So for me, I think it would be someone purely based on wanting to learn from them.
00:26:53
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Yeah.
00:27:01
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Yeah. i Sorry, I put you on the spot. It's a hard one to answer. You don't have to. Maybe just think about it. And when we post this, we can post it underneath. But it's ah I've had guests go different ways with this kind of question.
00:27:15
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Yeah. From a a deceased relative to somebody super famous to this to that. You know, I think I might get a lot of hate for this one, but I think who I would want to go with would be Elon Musk because he is one of the smartest people alive and having a conversation with him and learning from him would be so interesting.
00:27:35
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Yeah, I think there's often, a there can be people you like or people you don't like. That doesn't, to me, equate to how smart they are. There's people, not talking about Elon necessarily at all, but there's people I don't like, but I recognize are brilliant.
00:27:51
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Yeah, yeah. And yeah, those are two very different things, and sometimes we people can muddy the waters. Well, this has been wonderful. If people would like to talk to you, ask you as their favorite influencer about a build, you find you online, where's the best best place to do that?
00:28:08
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Yeah, just Instagram. Vixen Outback is the best. um I'm pretty responsive on DMs. Fantastic. So Vixen Outback, for all your overlanding build questions, is where to go.
00:28:21
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00:28:47
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