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Join us for a conversation with Kate Fisher, Ranger and the newest state park in Texas - Palo Pinto Mountains State Park! A fascinating discussion about how the park was formed, and what you can expect when they open.
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Introduction to the Outdoorsy Educator Podcast
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Hello and welcome to the Outdoorsy Educator Podcast, the show where curiosity meets the open road. I'm your host Alistair and I invite you to join me as we explore the world through travel, nature, getting outside and the power of learning.
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Each episode we will dive into stories from inspiring educators, adventurers and global citizens who are reshaping what it means to learn whether it's in a classroom, on a mountain trail, or even halfway across the world.
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From backpacking trips that change your perspective to educational journeys that transform communities, we will cover it all. So pack your curiosity, lace up your boots, and let's discover how the world teaches us.
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One step, one story, one adventure at a time.
Meet Kate Fisher: Park Interpreter Ranger
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And on this week's very special episode of the Outdoorsy Educator podcast, we have Park Interpreter Ranger at Palo Pinto Mountain State Park, which is opening next year, 2026, Kate Fisher. Kate, how are you today?
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I'm doing marvelous. So really excited to be here. How are you? Yeah, doing very well. Yeah, it's been a good week. Thank you for making the time to be here and tell our audience a little bit about you and this exciting new state park, which we will get into. But let's start off. Tell us a little bit about who you are and what it is you do down there at the state park.
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Right. So I'm Ranger Kate. ah I am the park interpreter out at Palo Pinto Mountain State Park. And so a little bit about me. um I grew up in DFW, um so not that far from Palo Pinto. So approximately like 80-ish miles, 70 to 80 miles.
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So it was really great to be able to work here and be close to home.
Kate's Passion for Wildlife and Education
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um And it's an area that i absolutely love. I went to school at Tarleton State, just about 40 miles south of us, give or take.
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um So this area is very near and dear to me. I'm excited to be able to be here. um i grew up in the city. i like to tell people that ah the family I grew up with was very sporty. We were not very outdoorsy. oh Right. Right.
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So it was really interesting getting into this career field. um So because I did a lot of learning on the job when it came to outdoor skills, um which was really exciting. And everything I learn is more exciting and makes me more eager to share with other people. And it's a really rewarding career.
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then... and then ah I just drew a blank. um Oh, you're fine. Well, let me ask you a question because they're building up in my head. um yeah So if you grew up in DFW, and I like that, I know plenty of families. I grew up in the city too. So sporty, not outdoorsy. Then what what drew you to working in a state park? Was it just an opportunity and you thought, i'm going to try that? Or did you kind of try and carve this out for yourself?
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So honestly, i always had a passion for specifically wildlife. um Again, growing up in the city, most of my exposure to nature and wildlife was actually through tv I was really big into Animal Planet and the Discovery Channel.
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um Always were watching them. ah So Zabumafu was a really big one for me. Absolutely loved that show. ah Crocodile Hunter was a really big one. Big Cat Diaries.
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Loved those shows. They were really ah they're really impactful for me growing up. And ah I wanted to work with wildlife growing up, which was really interesting for my family. They were very willing to help any way that they do how.
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um But that was just a passion that I've always had since I was very young. And as I got older, i wanted to protect the habitat for wild animals, like outdoor spaces. And then as I got into college and learned more about outdoor recreation, such as hiking and kayaking and foraging, um all these ways that people use the outdoors, was
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it was really awesome to be able to have those experiences, but also um wanting to teach other people because I didn't go hiking until I was in college. And so all these things about like hiking safety that I didn't know um and somebody taught
Inspiration from Nature Shows
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me. And so there are these things that seem obvious that doesn't occur to you until you have the experience or have somebody to teach you.
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um And spending that time outside the little things that you do that affect nature and wildlife, again, that you might not think about absolutely until somebody teaches you.
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You don't know until you know, absolutely. yeah um I'd love that you brought up. Oh, sorry, I apologize. I interrupted you. No, you're good. ah you just You brought up, and I think it's such an important thing.
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Naturally, in your line of work, and anyone who's involved in the outdoors recreation industry, will you know encourage children and families to get outside as they shoot. It's also a good thing.
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But there's many, many people who live in metropolitan areas that are in the city that with busy families and taking weekends to go camping and hiking just may not be feasible.
Career Path: From Law Enforcement to Park Interpretation
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So being able to watch these shows on television, I think sometimes is seen as a negative, but it can be very inspiring and clearly seems to have led you on on a wonderful path watching. i think you mentioned Steve Irwin, The Crocodile Hunter, all these yeah people. um you'll I'm sure have seen ah ah hurt you Jeff Corwin, who's done oh yeah some work. i
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my One of my very first episodes of this podcast was working with somebody who produced quite a few of his shows. um And you'll be glad to hear that off camera, he's exactly as you would hope. yeah She's stressed, is what a wonderful human being this man is. But love that you've brought that up because yeah I grew up in the in the city and in the summer we did do outdoor things that I didn't appreciate them when I was a child at all. um It's something that came to me a little later. um So you you go to college, and I think Charlton, is that Stephenville, Charlton? Yes, I've driven through it, driven through the area, going to Dublin, but haven't really spent too much time there. You you went to you went to college and then was getting into the state parks system, as um was that the goal?
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um I actually know. So when I figured out that I wanted to protect like natural spaces, i was actually drawn to conservation law enforcement. and So I was wanting to go for game warden or state park police.
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Um, that's what I was headed for. And so I have a, ah my major is in, wildlife biology, but I actually have a minor in criminal justice.
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Um, because that's where I was wanting to go. Fascinating combination. Yeah. Yeah. So like some of my favorite, uh, classes were, like environmental law and environmental policy.
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um, So those were really fascinating to me. um But I also really loved another class. It was human dimensions of wildlife conservation. And that's where we address like ah just the way that people interact with nature, um whether it's in recreation or in agriculture or in any other way that we interact with ah wild spaces.
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And that was a really fascinating class. And it was really beneficial for me. I love that. And then, so as you you you're now working at Palo Pinto Mountains State Park. um I want you to explain this because you know far better than I do. I believe it's opening to the public in the limited is a limited capacity. Is that fair to say on January 1st? Or is it just opening?
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It is limited capacity.
First Day Hikes at Palo Pinto State Park
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It is only for a special event. So every year... across the entire nation is an event called First Day Hikes.
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um So it happens on January 1st, celebrates the new year, and it's encouraging folks to get out, exercise, and connect with nature. That's what First Day Hikes is.
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um I did a little bit of research on it, just very briefly at one point, and the the first ah recorded First Day Hikes actually goes back to, I believe it was Maine in the 60s. And it's spread to other state park systems. It's spread to national park to the national park system um ever since. And so it's been gaining traction over the years.
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And um this is actually Texas's 14th year of being able to participate. I've got a real soft spot for there for the first day hikes because I'm very, very fortunate to live ah five miles away from Lake Ray Roberts State Park.
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And they have two branches, one on each side of the lake, and then they also have the Greenbelt Trail, which runs from the Arbonne area up. So the first day hike there is actually three hikes. One at, I think, 8 a.m., 10 a.m. and noon or something like that. So it actually is kind of a whole day event, which is just fantastic. And you meet the most interesting people doing it. Oh, absolutely. I have my little...
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my medals they're blurred in the background so you can't see them but I love them and they're a good conversation piece um people what was that what is this first day hike oh that is that for seasoned hikers is that for this is that for that and the diversity of people that show up to these just warms my heart it really is a wonderful event and for first day hikes like there are some parks There's a lot of parks that will do hikes.
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There are some parks that do first day kayaking, first day biking, first day horseback riding. And we even have ah parks that do um cold plunges. So Dinosaur Valley is well known for it.
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They do what's called the Dino Dive on January 1st. Oh, that sounds fun. Yeah, Balmure will do a cold plunge in their spring-fed pool.
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um So there's several parks that will do a cold plunge as well. um So that's definitely an event that is gaining traction for first-day hikes. But first-day hikes is the most popular one that you can find across, um I think almost every park will do some kind of first-day event.
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Yeah. yeah it's just it's such an interesting eclectic group of people that show up and to me it just makes me smile because it truly um reminds me and this is sort of a full circle moment um i emailed the the top people at texas state and powers wildlife earlier this year just to reach out i've lived here you over 20 years and Like anywhere else, this is not a slight on Texas in the slightest, like anywhere else, there's wonderful things and things that you'd like to see improved, whether that's a city, a state, a country, that's life. And I wrote to them just to say, you know, I've raised my my children
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going to Texas State Parks and they are uniformly clean, equipped, staffed with knowledgeable, friendly people. There's family events. they are They all appear to be very accessible for perhaps people in wheelchairs or other limitations. Universally so, without ever a dip in quality. and that's rare and it's something that the state of Texas as as a whole, I feel should be incredibly proud of. because it's truly something that has done very well. um then And then um I was referred down to you because Palo Pinto Mountains is becoming the newest state park in the system. And I'd love for you to tell us a little bit about this park, where it is, you know what's going to be special about it, and what you're looking forward to as it opens.
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Yeah, absolutely. So Palo Pinto Mountains is just off of I-20, which 75 miles from Fort Worth, 75 miles from
History and Management of Palo Pinto Land
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Abilene. So it's right there in the middle of two major metropolitan areas.
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So back in 2010, Texas state parks, they were looking at public access to land and the projected population growth of Texas um and realized that there's not enough public access to land.
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for our increased growth um of our population. And so ah there was this big push to be able to get more access ah by buying more land. and So this has been push that they've been going for for several years now.
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um But in 2010, PPWD partnered with the Texas Nature Conservancy um to join funds to be able to look for property near a certain radius of metropolitan areas. They were really looking at North Texas just because of the growth that's happening in the North Texas area.
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um So ah with that partnership, along with TPWD actually had 400 acres at Eagle Mountain Lake in DFW.
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um They sold that property. It's the only time that the state has sold property. And with the funds from that and the partnership with the Texas Nature Conservancy, they were able to purchase the initial 3,300 acres of Palatenta Mountain State Park.
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But the property that they sold on Eagle Mountain Lake, they sold to the water district. And it became a park anyways. So it became a district park. And so it's actually open. I think there's six miles of trails out there. Right. um That is now managed on a local level. So the public basically got two parks for the price of one. Excellent. Yes. Great. Yeah. Right. So, yeah. And there was an initial purchase of Palapenta Mountains that was
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ah made official in like January of 2011. So the entire process was started in 2010, but it was made official those first couple of weeks of 2011.
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um And since then, we have had further land acquisition that have brought our total acreage to 4,871 That's just phenomenal. Just fantastic.
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that's just phenomenal just fantastic It is awesome. So it's something that we're really excited about. Um, so on our part, there's a lot of history on our park. So it was ranch land that is now being converted into a park, but there's also part of the park is Lake Tucker and Lake Tucker is actually the water source for the city of Strawn just four miles from us.
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And so, ah us helping to manage the land around it is beneficial for them. um So it's a great partnership that we have with the city of Strawn as well. um And so we have Lake Tucker, which is 90 acres, like surface level is 90 acres, but it's a very deep lake.
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right So um at least deeper than what I'm used to working with. So every park that I've worked at had a lake and This is deeper than the other parks I've worked at. And so and then we have two creeks well. So Russell Creek comes up from our southern border and feeds into Tucker Lake.
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And then once the water goes over the spillway, Russell Creek meets with Palo Peno Creek that runs along our northern border. And so those creeks meet actually pretty close to our headquarters.
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That's so interesting. It's an area, I'll be honest, I don't know well. I tend to, you know, as i' I imagine this is not uncommon for people in the Dallas area like you are from and I live.
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We go to state parks close by if we're just going for a quick weekend or a night away. Right. let's go out to Palo Duro Canyon or, you know, or Caprock Canyons or down to the Davis Mount, you know, further afield. Let's make a week out of it. So you're in this middle ground, which is, I'm very excited about because it's an area that I just, I've driven through it. I've been to the city of Dublin out there for a day.
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That's about it, you know, in that area. So it's a great excuse to come and explore somewhere new. Yeah, absolutely. And, um Anytime I tell people that i work at Palatinto Mountains in North Texas, they're like, Texas has mountains?
Geological Wonders of Palo Pinto Mountains
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um So our landscape is definitely, and our topography is all very, more rugged than you would expect out here. So ah we have, our property is a part of what's known as a Palatinto mountain range.
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Okay. um And you'll notice everything out here is named Palapinto. Right. We've got Palapinto Creek. We have Palapinto County. We have Palapinto the city. Right. um And there's Palapinto Lake, which is actually not in Palapinto Mountain State Park. Interesting. oh So everything out here is named Palapinto, but the Palapinto Mountain Range is actually a collection of geological features known as Questa.
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Okay. so they were originally formed over 300 million years ago when this area was actually under an ancient ocean. And so there was a bunch of tectonic activity that started pushing note the ground up. All of the sedimentary rocks started pushing it up.
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But because of the weight of the ocean on top of it you had these little baby mountains that started to form and then they just folded right over. It's so interesting. Right. i I can't wait to come down there and and discover more. Yeah.
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All I can think about now is what what a great opportunity for stickers and T-shirts, something like, you know, Palo Pinto Mountain State Park, no, for real, they're mountains. Or something, you know, written on the shark. I would play into the fact that ah you know Nobody thinks there's mountains in North Texas at all. right Even people who who have lived here a long time. Yeah, they're also just a really great like introduction to ah folks who want to get into like light like checking out mountains and hiking mountains more.
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um Because these are not super tall mountains. They are a couple hundred feet. um Like elevation gain.
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ah so it's a good introduction for folks who might want to check out something a little more extreme um so right I just I love I think it's It sounds to me something that's going going to be quite unique in the Texas State Park system.
00:21:27
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Oh yeah. Things that things you you can see things there that we wouldn't see in other places and that's exciting. Yeah. But people are going to want to come to your state park. That's the you know obviously the plan. You have this the sort of limited event the first day hike when is what's this kind of anticipate I know things can change all the time but the anticipated timeline for fully opening your doors for hiking for camping all of those sorts of things.
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So we don't have an estimated opening date right now. Okay. um We hope.
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Right.
Anticipating the Park's Opening
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So we've had announcements in the past that every time, it seems like every time we announce something, something happens that pushes it back. Of course it does, yes. Because of that, we have decided that we're not going to announce something until it is written in stone.
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Perfect. So we know that it's coming up. We're really excited because we we have our roads being paved. It really exciting. all Right. And the last of our major facilities are getting really close to being done with, like, final...
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electric and plumbing work being done on those. So we're definitely getting very close, um which is very exciting. um But we don't have anything official so It reminds me of almost like having a house built. you know You can have all the dates written down you want, but you're relying on plumbers and altricians and inspections and this and that. So much of your control, I assume. right yes and you also have like, ah if there's supply chain issues or anything like that, like it if there's a weather issue, weather can actually affect a lot of things such as concrete and asphalt.
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um So it makes things really interesting because you're like, we hope that this is going to be the end date. um But again, like not only is it like rough on staff to have this constant up and down because we really want to see people out here. We got into this job because we really want to see people out here. Of course. Yes. But it's also rough on the public. And so just the constant up and down. So We're just waiting until we have something for sure to offer.
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And where would be the best place for people to keep up to date with the goings on, you know, possible dates, you know, people, a good way for people to get excited about coming out to the park. Where should the, where can they find this information?
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So our social media um is a really big one. So we've got a Facebook and we have an Instagram. um And I'm actually the person that does all of that. So,
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As the park interpreter, it's my job to connect with folks. And so with a park that's closed, the best way for me to do that is actually via social media. um So Facebook and Instagram, but we also have a website on TPWD's website.
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If you go to TPWD.texas.gov, that's Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, and you click find a park,
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Palo Pinto Mountains, you'll have all the history and ecology of the park on there. Every couple of months, I do ranger note on there to kind of give folks an update in case there's people that are not on social media. for That website is going to be the best way for them to have the most accurate information. um But yeah, on social media, I do end of month updates where I talk about everything going on construction wise.
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um And any other updates, I've talked about any of our job openings that we've had in the past on there. i talk about the history and ecology of the area, any kind of natural resource management that we've been doing out here.
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um i update everybody on the social media. So the social media one is going to be the most frequent update. But we also make sure to update our website as well.
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yeah That makes perfect sense. Hopefully many people start to follow you there. um I started to follow you, of course, a little while ago. And the update, they get me excited. um And of course, it's things that you don't usually see. We come in as guests and we see the polished finished product. So it's fascinating to to get to see some of the what the behind the scenes that we normally don't. Absolutely, absolutely.
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As we kind of come around the corner here, and we're finishing off, I told you before we started recording, I always have three questions that I ask my guests, but tailor them depending on who they are.
Defining Success and Personal Growth
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So the first of my three questions for you is, as a park ranger, as an interpreter, what does success look like for you?
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in terms of the park what were you know you're looking for this is obviously not ah a profit driven you know what is it yeah how would you feel successful in your work as a ranger so i mentioned earlier that i originally wanted to get into conservation law enforcement to be able to help protect natural spaces um and so uh the reason that I have gone the route of interpretation instead of law enforcement um is because of the ability to educate people before ah something happens that they didn't know about before.
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um So, which ah part of that is also included in law enforcement. But interpretation is such a heavy focus on let me educate y'all on ah what's out here, whether it's an endangered species, like we have the golden sheep warbler out here, or protecting dark skies so that we have stars.
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um And the importance of those things um before something is done that you wouldn't have known about otherwise.
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ah And that's something that really spoke to me as somebody who didn't have a whole lot of outdoor recreation outside of sports. ah Right.
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And so being able to talk about how to enjoy nature while also being able to protect nature. So all of that being said success for me ah would be able to pass on the same appreciation and stewardship of our resources to someone else, ah whether it's somebody who's discovering these things later in life, kind of like I did, or even later than I did, or passing it on to the next generation. So um that's something that is really important to me and something that I feel very strongly on um because
00:28:52
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this nature and outdoor spaces are for everyone. And so it's something to be able to share that and invite folks into nature who might otherwise not be able to. so out here, one of the really great opportunities is because we're a new build park, we have a very heavy emphasis on accessibility and making sure that all of our facilities are Not only just ADA compliance, but thinking of ways that we can go beyond just compliance and being able to reach demographics that might not have been able to enjoy and experience the outdoors before.
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we want a plate We want to make a place for them here. and That's a full circle moment again that one of these things, Texas State Parks, in my experience has always, that then're you're not just meeting the standards that legally you're required to, it's above and beyond in everything I see. And so you're speaking to that same culture that seems to be every state park I've ever visited.
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um I want to ask you if there is a book or a piece of music that has had a particular influence on your life.
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Oh my goodness. I know I'm putting you on the spot and this it it's a tricky it's a tricky one, but you know what comes first to your mind? oh First one that comes to mind is a book called Common Rule by Justin Early.
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um so um I realized when I was in college that ah everything in the world around us does not teach us how to rest.
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Um, and rest is so incredibly important. Um, and for me and my faith, uh, common rule was something that was really important because, um, the author, Justin, he takes these, this idea of like, uh, setting boundaries for yourself, not only for your mental health, but also for, uh,
00:31:07
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growing your faith as a Christian. right um And so it was a book that was really beneficial for me and ah being able to protect my time because everybody's time is so limited and what we give our attention to.
00:31:29
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um So i very much love my job. I am absolutely... somebody who is very happy to go to work every single day. Right. um But having that idea of um separating personal life and your work life and leaving work at work and then going home to enjoy spending time with family and friends and building the life that you want outside of work.
00:32:01
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Common rule was very beneficial for that because it basically just, lays out suggestions and ideas to help with that balance, right with that work-life balance.
00:32:17
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I love that. Yeah, because you're but when you're balanced outside of work, it's the same for me. i love my job, but one of the reasons I love my job is I can give it my all, and the job allows me to step away from it every day.
00:32:32
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yeah It's not me. Oddly enough, last night I was having ah a group discussion with a few people about the pros and cons and the merits and the expectations or not the expectations of having work email on your own phone. um yeah you know And that's a whole big discussion, but it's just very interesting. Right. you know, the different viewpoints on that, and being able to step away from work. And I couldn't agree more. Yeah, our time on this planet is limited. And let's god make the very best of it, the very best of it. Yeah, and like... Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead.
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Oh, no, please, please. There were like suggestions that, again, they seem like so obvious, but when you sit there and you think about the discipline of being able to implement ah these boundaries every day and or every week because some of them are weekly boundaries some of them are daily boundaries so one of the daily boundaries being like turning your phone off for an hour a day um which sometimes feels very foreign um but it turns off those notifications and it allows you to be present where you are or like a boundary of like
00:33:52
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having a meal with a friend once a week type deal. um So kind of these things to bring in, community and being able to focus on that community. So anywho, I could talk about common rule for a very long time. No, it's you yeah and and this or the secret of this podcast is I asked that question because people always have almost always have a book that they're passionate about and it fuels my fire to want to read it. So I'm i'm really interested now to look into that. But my final question for you is I want to paint a little picture for you, fictitious picture. It's the first day is's the first day hike, which unfortunately I know is full, but I'm going to keep my eye out on seeing if any tickets become available. But you get a call from your boss and he says, I want you to take this one person on the private first day hike. You're going to guide them around the park for the day.
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If it could be anybody from your life, somebody you don't know, famous, not famous, somebody from history, somebody, any human being, who would you like to take on a private tour for a day of Palo Pinto Mountain State Park? And you get to ask them questions, get to know them a little bit.
Episode Conclusion and Future Plans
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Steve Irwin. Great. Man, that's a good answer. Steve Irwin. I could just walk and talk for hours with anybody from any time. Steve Irwin, absolutely. um So he was just so instrumental in ah me being as interested in conservation as I am.
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um And I love that Robert Irwin has kind of taken up that charge and is doing a doing the same thing in his own way ah is really, really awesome. And yeah, the the questions I would have, the conversations I would want, the things i would want to talk, Lord, i i would absolutely love that kind of opportunity.
00:36:03
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so i I love it. what What a great answer. There's no wrong answer. That's a great answer though. So Ranger Kate, I cannot thank you enough for your time. I will be down there as soon as I get it. you know, they're available and come camping for the weekend. I'll make sure I come by and introduce myself and say hi. And I cannot wait to come and visit the newest state park in Texas. So thank you very much for being here.
00:36:29
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Absolutely. Thank you for the invite. And i hope you have a great day. And if you don't get into first day of hikes, I hope we get to see you at opening day.
00:36:41
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that's awesome. Thank you so much indeed.
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