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Josh Sprague
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Join founder and CEO of Orange Mud, Josh Sprague as we walk about building a company from the ground up!
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Hello and welcome to the Outdoorsy Educator podcast, where learning gets a breath of fresh air. I'm your host Alistair, and each week I talk with people from all walks of life to explore how education, the outdoors, and real-world experiences shape who we are.
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From classrooms to campfires, trails to town halls, we dig into the lessons that move us, challenge us, stick with us, and can make the world a better place.
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And on this week's episode of the Outdoorsy Educator podcast, we have Josh Bragg. Josh, how are you today? Doing great, man. Thanks for having me. Awesome. Absolutely. We got in touch through your company, Orange Mud, and I don't want to do you the disservice of trying to talk about it. I'd love for you to tell our audience, what is Orange Mud and how did you come about this company?
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Sure. Yeah. So I started Orange Mud 14 years ago as of this month, as matter of fact, um and started it originally for hydration packs for runners, which was the initial.
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um ah I guess I've always hated running is what I always tell people It's funny that I run because I don't like running, but yet I do run. But I wanted to make a hydration pack that was just better for running. and um But my true passion in life is cycling. So we started with hydration packs for running. They were bottle-based hydration packs, which was just an idea I always had that I thought would be neat.
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And then it expanded into mountain bike, gravel cycling. and And yeah, 14 years later, still kicking it, making making can super stable, breathable, quality-made packs.
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I love it. I've recently... I've been... Hiking for decades, like that's my thing, just long walks hiking. I've always enjoyed riding a bike, but I'm a bigger guy and I've always just got, I just don't want to spend, you know up in the four figures. My wife is a big believer in, especially with bikes, if you buy cheap, you'll buy twice. She had the same Trek, what does she have? I forget.
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She has a very nice bike and she's had it for 25 years. Whereas i you know I've gone to the discount bike store and ended up buying one annually for a while. yeah um But recently we both purchased an e-bike and I don't know how those sit in the cycling world. i imagine some people feel like, oh, that's half cheating. Some people are like, no, it's opening the world up.
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You know, I can, and I see all the site. All I know is it's open. I'm now cycling all over the place. I write to work every day now. Sure. Whereas I was driving. So all I know is it's a good thing. And so I'm really interested to dig into your company a bit because I'm becoming a bit more of an amateur cyclist and loving everything else. Hey, that's Yeah. It's perfect.
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Yeah. A good friend of me said that they probably felt the same about gears when those first came along. You know, that that was... Yeah. no You know, you're not a purist or something. I don't know. The way I see if you're on two wheels, good on you. You know, I was in um i was in Barcelona ah a couple years back, and I rented a mountain bike. And mountain biking one of my favorite things in life to do. And and and I was mountain biking up ah the mountains there outside of town.
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And almost every single person I saw was on an e-bike. I mean, like I was a freak to be actually pedaling up. the It's a pretty big mountain there, I mean, from a cycling perspective.
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um I was really surprised at how common it was. And even when I ride on my local mountain bike trails anymore, you know, there are the mountain bikers that are out there. i don't see the younger crowd near as much. It's more of us, you middle-aged guys and gals that are still kicking it. And I almost feel like i I often tell my wife, I'm like, you don't really appreciate how awesome I like.
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you come back from a mountain bike ride. I'm like, Just so you know, I am 100% man. I mean, when I go back for a mountain bike ride, I feel like I just like built a building is what it feels like every single time. I mean, there's not a bad day on a mountain bike because you just got to really own it.
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Now, that being said, I do have an e-bike. um My son just bought a Sir Ron. We're waiting for it to show up, up which I'm not really very pleased about, but whatever. But but we have some e-bikes, and I love them for goofing it off.
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I don't ride them on trails, but um but I'll ride them around and you know in my neighborhood and you know ride over. like if if If you call me you're like, hey, I needed some salt, I'm like, dude, yeah, I'll be right over on my e-bike because it's more fun to jump on my... like triumph looking e-bike and cruise over and just because it feels cool and i can carry a beer with me or six in there and and it's just different but uh but yeah it's it is it's a it's a strange intersection of um on the trails now where obviously most places are banning them but uh yeah there's there's there's a lot of issues with it on the trails but um
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i don't know. Yeah. as I've not taken mine on the trail yet. Mine is, you know, commuting. I live about three miles from my office. Perfect. Yeah. You know, or eventually to run to the store, things like that. And then we've got dedicated bike trails. Yeah.
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um Yep. Which it's fine. The one that we go on a lot is fine. But I did see one on hiking trail. I go on all the time. It was the first time I've seen one.
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And yet you're I mean, that guy came flying around the corner. There's a big sign at the be beginning. yeah No bikes of any sort. But this guy had some pep on the step because he would you had the e-bike. And I was like, man, if I hadn't seen you. You know, we'd both be in a heap on the ground. and Exactly. That's the hard part. Yeah.
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And it's like it was frustrating because there's bike trails right there. that you know but yeah That's another story for another day. But um i was I was actually talking to my father-in-law in New Jersey. And I believe there that they've just tightened the rules quite a lot. um they They now have to be registered and insured because people were acting ridiculous with them.
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Oh, yeah, they're go there's going to be massive change. yeah The police at our local school ah just had a big crackdown and and let all the kids know you can't ride your e-bikes to school anymore.
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um You know, if you if you do ride it here, and we will... whatever, quarantine it and your parents are going have come it. And, and I mean, they're, they're dangerous, you know, and a lot of these kids, they're riding, they're not riding 22 mile an hour you buy. So I mean, lot of these kids are riding, Sir Ron's riding 40, 50 miles an hour and, and, you know, popping wheelies and,
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And, you know, right, wrong, or indifferent, it is what it is, but it's it's where they are dangerous. In our neighborhood, we're very cautious driving around because there's always some Nimrod teenager or maybe not even that, you know, riding going 40 on the wrong side, blowing through stop signs. And I just, you know, I can appreciate how how they need to tighten up something because it's – It is essentially and motorcycle.
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ah Once you hit the ones with higher speeds. I mean, some of these Saurons would go 100, I think almost 100 miles an hour. The default is 42. You clip a wire and they'll go 52 or 56 or something. and And then, of course, it depends on which ones you buy.
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You know, that that is, it's just, you know, as a parent, you know, where my son is, you know, 13, 13. ah and Or 14, sorry. i am I am nervous that we allowed him to get that. and I told him, once it comes in, you're going to wear full body armor.
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Always. Right. I know he's going to be an idiot, just like I would be if I was if i had a Saron. Yeah. so yeah yeah's It's an interesting thing, but I think all it takes is for so you know somebody on one of these bikes to...
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a teenager to hit your car and they've got no yeahs insurance, they've not got anything to to change your mind. And like I said, this is a big subject we could certainly get into. And it's going to interesting how these things change.
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Yeah. Yeah. No, it's sad, but it's going to get it's going get regulated. Yeah. no Without a doubt. Now, you touched on this in your introduction. I'd love to hear a little more that it seems like Orange Mud was really born out of what you perceived or saw as a problem or something that could be improved. Could you talk a little bit more about that sort of specifically? Because I'd love to share hear the birth of the company.
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Yeah, you know so my background um was largely in adventure racing and and mountain bike racing. And ah specifically in adventure racing, one of my biggest frustration points was that my pack would bounce around when we're running, during the running aspect of it.
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And I hated that. And lot of packs back in the day, especially, they were really tall. So there there was a lot of heat signature on your body. um And then a lot of them weren't built that good. and You know, you either got one that's built really well, that is super, super heavy, or you got something super light, it's going fall apart really quick.
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and And it often didn't have all the right storage in the right places. So ah my initial backpack was designed to ride high in your body. And then the way I anchored on the front of your shoulders, it made it super, super stable. So when it comes to running, my packs do not move. You won't get chapping. don't care how far you want to run. 100, 200, 300 miles, it doesn't matter.
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ah You're not going to have chaffing they're stable. um And so that was at the the foundation of the footprint with how we stabilize things. And then when it came down to temperature regulation, it came down to material choice and in how we...
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like My two liter bladder pack, the called endurance pack, when I designed it, I literally took a hydropack bladder and set it on the table. And then I drew a pattern around it. And that's how I started to build the first backpack for my bladder based pads.
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ah So I didn't want to waste a quarter inch of material. And it wasn't about saving money. It was about I want something that's going to be minimal in my backpack. and or on my back And, and yeah, so innovation from frustration is kind of a moniker I came up with a long time ago. And, and, and ever since then, we, we continue to make new fun things that, you know, basically make me happy. And then I hope other people will be happy.
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It's always been the way I've said it. Yeah, and we'll get into that. I'm looking through your website yesterday. and It's like, ma you've got your range. Like, it's not just this one product that you're doing, yeah which is super exciting, because in my head, I'm sure you started with this one idea.
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it's grown and grown. And I'd love to ask you, what do you feel so far has been the hardest part of going from this initial idea to getting people to trust your product? Yeah, well, in the very beginning, i'll say I can tell you right now, it was hard. And, you know, so my very first pack was called the Hydroquiver. It's a bottle-based hydration pack that mounts behind your back. It doesn't have a chest strap.
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um it's It's an incredible design. it works awesome. um But when we first started selling them, uh we had a lot of people that would return them or they would at least ask to return them and i told people non-stop and i said hey you know what i don't want you to keep anything you don't want however it looks like you haven't tried this yet right i said no so okay Go out for a run, run three times. if you still hate it, I don't want you to send it back unless it's sweaty and nasty. Please wash it before you send it back. But however, I want you to sweat in it first. and
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And, you know, people started seeing, oh, wow, you're yeah I only have four days left to try it. I'm like, it's fine. We don't care. Like we want you to actually try, you know, 30, 60, 90 days. And then we're still the same way 14 years later. You know, we're not some, we're not, we're not Amazon where we're just telling you to stick it if you had something too long. But we actually want people to test. And once we did that, um people started trying it and they're like, oh, wow, this actually does work. You know, it yeah, it's uncomfortable maybe when you try it on in your living room. But when you actually run in it as it's designed, it sinks in with your muscles or it's great. Well,
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Subsequently, the next product I designed is this car seat cover called the transition wrap. and ah and And same thing. I thought, man, this thing's awesome. I was mountain biking after work. was always were dirty, whatever. Changed them from my business clothes into my kit.
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And I didn't want to moon some kid into the trailhead. you know Everybody's always like, oh, I don't worry about changing and But look, I'm like, you may change your mind if cops come. I mean, it's something you can worry about in these city environments, right? And so so I designed that. And i thought, man, this is a no-brainer.
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and retail stores on both products they're like well no one puts bottles on the back I'm like okay well I mean when you wear backpack hiking do you put the weight of the backpack on the front of your chest I'm like no that's where the bottle should be right and then they're like well no one's asked for your car seat cover before I'm like No one's ever made anything like this. It's a changing talent, seek cover and look. And so i I quickly realized no one cares about innovation.
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And you have to educate market as to what it is and let the market build demand. And then that will make retail want to buy it. But and I can't tell you how many stores told me i like, no, your your backpack's a stupid idea. Like, why?
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it Why would anybody? it just It was innovation I learned is is one of the I could almost say like our our tagline is innovation from frustration, but I could probably put something in there of like innovating is frustrating. And also because right you know,
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And it's just hard to get people to understand about new concepts. And and even the way my backpacks fit, they anchor on the front of your shoulders. Where a lot of backpacks, you have to ratchet that front chest strap down to get it tight so it doesn't move.
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I didn't want to do that because your your lungs expand and contract. And as a result, it's never going to be tight. But if I anchor on your shoulders and you wrap from the front of your shoulders wrapped around to the back of your back, that distance doesn't change as you breathe.
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So I thought, well, this is a solid static point. I can anchor the body there. And then the front chest straps are just to provide a little extra bones. And so um it's every aspect that we've done has been hard for better or worse.
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But it's, ah yeah, I mean, it's it's it's fun, but it's it is a frustrating thing. ah a frustrating road when you when you're innovating. I think it's it's it's certainly easier just to go the China route. Let's just go copy everybody that find a good product, copy it, and sell the exact same thing.
00:14:17
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That would be a lot easier route. Right, but that's not what you want to do. Yeah. No. See, I thought it took a while to build that trust, but people have found that our products, they last forever. Everything I do, I build as if I was buying it for me, and you won't wear my products out. It's pretty dang hard to do it.
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And so, yeah, I think people would realize, oh, well, we know Orange Mudd going to deliver a quality product. going to perform. um Could maybe I buy a pack that weighs 50 grams less? Sure. But is it going to stabilize four pounds of fluid in the back as well? No. Okay, well, Josh's pack wins.
00:14:52
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So it's, a yeah, it's it's frustrating, but it's it's a good time. That's awesome. And it's funny, you've kind of touched on the next question I wanted to ask you. Again, looking through your products yesterday, your website, of course, is clean, that it's polished, it's easy to navigate, but it doesn't feel overly polished or corporate, which I think perhaps speaks to what you were, I was going to ask you, what yeah was that deliberate? I think you may have yeah half halfway answered that by saying, you know, you're not Amazon, you are a human being, and if there's an issue with the product, talk to you.
00:15:24
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Exactly. Yeah, I mean, I want people to understand, like, we have, I've always said I care about the everyday athlete more than anybody else. I want to get people outside. I don't care if you're runner, a biker, a triathlete, whatever. I don't care if you are the slowest person on the planet or the or the fastest.
00:15:42
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um I don't care. I just want to... you as a person is to go outside and enjoy the outdoors. I genuinely believe the outdoors. I mean, but my wife, if, if, if in kids, if they're ever being acting fussy or if I'm acting fussy, I'm like, all we need to do to solve this problem is go outside.
00:16:01
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yeah That's it. I genuinely believe vitamin D and that fiery orb in the sky is awesome. But a lot of times, uh, in today's world, we'd all get trapped inside and we choose to ride a Peloton or whatever instead. And that's great, you know, but if If you just go outside, you'll be a happier person. So everything that I do, I i want to show people. like hey Look, come to our website. You'll see our products. you know we We design them. And here's all the little features that I put into them. And here's how to use them, which always ticks me off on a lot of like you go to Amazon and you have you often can't figure out anything about a product.
00:16:36
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there's There's no education piece. it's Amazon is a place you go when you already know what you want. And it's not generally a place of discovery. So when people come to our website, I want to make sure I list every little feature, even though that may bore some people. I know over the years, I've had a lot of people that have, I've had web designers tell me you have too much crap on there. But I've had also a lot of customers say, I really appreciate that you have all these different side angles so I can figure out what I want. And all that you you spell out the features so I i can find, you know, the actual pack that fits is going to work with me best.
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So, so yeah, so it, I appreciate it because I, it is something I, I know it's not perfect. We're actually working on the redesign on that. That one I've had out for two years, and about two weeks. You're going see brand new one, but but it will be a lot of the same and a style that we have now.
00:17:25
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That's fine. I think we live in sort parallel universes. My wife intuitively knows when I'm getting grumpy before I know, you know, often. And then and one of the first things she'll ask is, when are going camping next?
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Like, when's that next on the docket? you know She knows that's my my reset. Sure. You know, do you know you need you need to go for a walk? You know, do you need to go good get miles under your feet? Yeah. And it's it's, I mean, I could go on and on. It's one of the reasons i started this podcast was, sure it's just being outdoors, just feeling the breeze, feeling the sun. It's where we're designed to be and life takes us away from it.
00:18:03
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Exactly. Yeah, it's interesting. And on that note, I wanted to ask you, you know, you've talked about running, cycling, various endurance activities. Have you, or what, I'm going to say, what have you been taught from these activities that a formal education hasn't or couldn't teach you?
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Yeah, I tell you, somebody asked me this other day, and I never thought a whole lot about it, but it was something I did really key in on is that when you're, say, mountain bike racing or whatever it is, any endurance exercise,
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um it's It's fascinating to me sometimes of the things that I've done when I've raced for five days straight or something. but
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It's everything of I'm getting ready to race five days and I need to be able to think through this whole piece. You're never going to do it. like i don't I don't lay in bed at night and visualize and meditate like some people do about. I'm going to visualize. I'm going to conquer that hill. and this i but i just Once I start I'm going to pick it off one thing at a time.
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And in this, the one thing I've found over the years, and I think the reason why I've always been, ah even though I may not be the best athlete, it's the reason why I've always been able to do well is because I just pick it off one problem at a time.
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You know, anytime we're racing and, and one of my teammates is frustrated about something, I'm like, Hey, you know what? Let's not worry about the next problem. Let's get through this. right And then we just roll it down the roads.
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You know, everything in business has been all about, picking your battle one thing at a time, complete it, do it well, and then don't look backwards and keep going. Keep moving. I love it.
00:19:39
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And then if young people, you know, let's just say 12 year old was like, Matt, I really would like to get into running or cycling. What advice might you have for for young people who are thinking maybe that's not for me or it's intimidating?
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Yeah, I will. that would be just to do it. Right. And in I think too many people are like, oh, the trails are scary. So, of course, go on MTB Project, which I think is fantastic or whatever you tools you find. But that's a good one.
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And, you know, look for trails that are green trails that are easy to ride and then go out ideally with somebody that it is a good rider, but is a humble person that is not going to.
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you know, you know, obviously be, be cool, I guess. Uh, life's motto, just be cool. But, uh, but yeah go out and just go for a ride and go out for like five months. And, and then if you can do that and go out for six, seven, eight miles and,
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If you can do that, keep going. But um there's so many clubs too. NICA is the other big one. if if there's If you're in, I think you have to be 11 or if I remember right. But I know NICA is fantastic. it's ah It's only youth cycling.
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And if I didn't know of anybody, um if i if I had a kid, if I wasn't a cyclist and I had kid wanted to get into it, I would introduce them to NICA and You don't have to have a fancy bike. you know that'll that That has sucked me up over the years. I've definitely had best-in-class bikes.
00:21:07
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Now I ride a titanium. I have two titanium hardtails and a couple steel gravel bikes. and And and you know they've got good components, but they're not super expensive bikes. you don't need And I can still outride most people, so need you don't need an expensive bike.
00:21:23
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um Will the one at Walmart work? Yeah, i probably. you know I wouldn't want to ride it if I didn't have to, but you know if you got nothing else, Two wheels that go over anything. two That's it. Just get on two wheels.
00:21:36
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um Yeah. I was thinking about this again when I was ah just reading a bit about you. And one thing that I do love to do when I talk to people who do things that I have not, like endurance running, things like that, there's got to be a super miserable experience that has resulted in a really cool or funny story.
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And i was just curious if you had one of those. Yeah, I've had plenty. I tell you the coolest one ever, though. ah So I had this this dog lady.
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ah She's a golden retriever. And she's one of the most beautiful dogs i've ever had whole entire life. and And I just love her. Well, she died years ago and she was 13. And, uh, but I was doing a bike race across South Dakota is a bike packing race, 720 miles.
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And, and I was like 50 miles from the finish the day, day four, I think is what this was. And, um, uh, and it was like from like two or three in the afternoon until probably like four or five in the afternoon.
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She, she was riding with me in front of me up and to the right, like, five to 10 meters maybe. and And I remember she kept looking back at me and her tongue was hanging out just like she always was.
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And I was just like, what in the world, lady, where'd you come from? It was the coolest, greatest thing that's ever happened in a bike race. and And she rode with me. Now, I couldn't look at her. I could only look straight ahead. If I looked straight ahead, I could see her out of my peripheral vision. If I looked at her, she disappeared. But she wasn't real, obviously. but Right.
00:23:08
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That was something that after suffering so much for so many days and so many miles, to have my cool dog that I just love more than anything show up out of nowhere. And literally, she wasn't there for like two minutes. It was like two or three hours. It was an incredible time period where we just got to hang out. And she guided me in. I love it. love it. do for the soul. Yeah. Yeah. It was insane. Absolutely insane. of the greatest things ever that's happened Flycase.
00:23:41
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I love it. Well, as we're kind of coming towards the end of the podcast, I've got three quick questions I'd like to ask you. What you got? First one is, what does success look like for you now compared to when you started 14 years ago? Yeah.
00:23:56
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ah Well, the one thing I realized is, um like, before I started Orange Mud, I actually had a very good career. And my wife and I both did. We both, you know did very well on the income side of things. But we also worked like dogs. and um And with Orange Mud, never... I don't think we'll ever have the same financial success that we did in our previous careers. um but But that all has changed over the years. and Originally, I kind of thought maybe we could catch up to it. But you know i with given price pressures and tariffs to everything else anymore, it's pretty brutal. but
00:24:31
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But it's something that um I always remind her. – show up at every one of our kids soccer games or soccer practices um you know we're we go to family adventures and and family together as much as we can um but it it's success has been um we like i make breakfast for my kids every day and i see them every day when they go from school we have that ability as a result of owning our own business and so i i think that would be the greatest success is just to be able to spend
00:25:04
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As much as I may feel like we work all the time, we still are around our family and engage with the family ah more than we would have if I was in my old career.
00:25:15
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Yeah. And that's something I can. I mean, I'm in education and I stepped out of the classroom last year of the elementary school classroom and now I'm still in public education.
00:25:27
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But may have my so schedule has a little more flexibility. So Friday morning today, I could take my new granddaughter to story time. My daughter was like, hey, are you guys around this afternoon? I'd love to go to um a Zumba class. but Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:43
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You know, and it's like, that's, that's where the value is. You know, i could choose another career and I could make tons of money and, you know, be sipping something on a yacht somewhere, but I don't want it. i want, I want to be able to say yes.
00:25:56
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When, when, you know, my daughter says, Hey, can you possibly help out? That's yeah and sounds very similar experience. You know, that's success to me. is Yeah, for sure. Being able to say yes in those situations. um Second, last question. i wanted to ask you, has there been a book that has particularly influenced you in your life, whether that's personal or professional?
00:26:20
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ah Yeah, yeah, for sure. um Endurance, um the story of Shackleton's adventures in the Arctic, if you've ever read it.
00:26:31
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have not. It's incredible because, know, I, whether it's, you know, hunting, fishing, cycling, whatever, or just suffering through whatever taxes. Right.
00:26:47
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um Endurance, if you read it, it is about the craziest adventure back in, late eighteen hundreds I believe, um of of Shackleton and his crew enduring the Arctic conditions for like, I don't know, three or four years. It's been a while since i've read the book, but um it just makes you realize after yeah after i read that book, I was actually training for a 100-mile run and 100-mile ride for the Leadville. Leadman is what I was doing at that time.
00:27:17
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And it made me realize that there's there's nothing nothing that I have can do in my life that will be as hard as these guys are going to There's nothing I would want to do in my life that is as hard as what they went through. But ah that one's definitely one of the best ever. um that One of my absolute favorites. Wow.
00:27:35
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I love that. um One of the the dirty secrets of this podcast is I get to write all these books down and then it goes on my list of things to read. So that is ah that's going on the list. Oh, yeah. I tell you, the other one you got to put it on there is 400, I think 438 days or days.
00:27:51
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It's about a two and South – they were somewhere in in latin Latin America. um They were a fishing boat guys. They were out in a Ponga boat and got caught a storm. Next thing know, this guy and his partner drifted for a year and a half wow in the ocean until – ah until he was found.
00:28:13
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It was wild. And same thing. one It was one of the coolest books I've ever read in my whole entire life. 438 days, 458 days, something like that. is All right. well I will find that, no doubt. Assuming there's not been two stories that were 20 days apart. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can.
00:28:31
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I read the next one down, which was like 111 days. That's right. And I also read the one that was like 78 days. Yeah. I'm like, you're a chump. You only spent two and half months. That's right. Yeah. We could, anyone could do that. That's right. Yeah. My final question for you if you are going to ask,
00:28:46
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Dig out the bikes, whether that's an e-bike a mountain bike. You could go cycling for a day with somebody, stop for lunch, pick their brain. This could be somebody in your life, somebody famous, somebody dead, somebody alive, anyone that's ever existed. Who would you love to go for a day cycling with so you could pick their brain, talk to them, and learn from them?
00:29:07
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e ah I could go to a million directions on that. Right. Right. I tell you you, I would probably,
00:29:18
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um given I could always ride with my family, I would say, honestly, if I a chance to ride Lance Armstrong, I would love love or hate the guy. right He's a marvel of cycling and and overall seems like a neat guy. I'd love to go out for a ride with him and just pick his brain and and ah just understand what makes him motivated to ride.
00:29:39
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spend so much time on two wheels i love it well i think he's he certainly used to be based pretty near where you are i think so you never know you might bump into him yeah i know yeah might see him go flying past me on the trail going twice my speed but right yeah awesome so and if people want to find out more about orange mud about you what's the best place to find you to reach out to you how can they do that Yeah, just hit us up on orangemud.com.
00:30:05
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um I'm pretty easy guy to find. You Google me, you can find me, but ah we got to check out orangemud.com. We make all kinds of cool stuff for run, ride, hike, and whatever. Awesome. Well, Josh Sprague, I really appreciate it. Everyone, go check out Orange Mud.
00:30:19
Speaker
Thank you very much for your time indeed. Appreciate it, dude.
00:30:25
Speaker
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