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R.L. Akers
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Join author R.L Akers as he discusses his fantasy book series and how YOU can get your thoughts down on paper!
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Introduction to The Outdoorsy Educator
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Hello and welcome to the Outdoorsy Educator podcast, where learning gets a breath of fresh air. I'm your host Alistair, and each week I talk with people from all walks of life to explore how education, the outdoors, and real-world experiences shape who we are.
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From classrooms to campfires, trails to town halls, we dig into the lessons that move us, challenge us, stick with us, and can make the world a better place.
Meet R.L. Akers
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And on this week's episode of the Outdoorsy Educator Podcast, we have author R.L. Akers. R.L., how are you today? Very good, very good. Thank you for having me. yeah I really appreciate you being here. ah The time of recording, we're dealing with the ah this infamous snowstorm that's impacted most of the country. So I'm glad to say we both have power, we're both well, and I'm really glad that you are able to be here with me.
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Why you tell us a little bit about who you are? Sure. The name R.L. Akers. I'm a writer. I'm a husband. I'm a dad. Not in that order of priority. Writing comes down little bit lower.
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From Florida originally, moved my way north to West Virginia, where I've been for the last 21 to two years, I think now. And ah and yeah, but those are the those are the most important things in my life. I love it.
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Yeah, we we talked briefly last week in West Virginia. I've i've driven through, I've sort stopped off, but it's one of those places that I haven't, I've been to it, but I don't think I've truly seen it yet. And um we talked very briefly, a friend of mine from Puerto Rico who lived here in Texas, recently moved up there. And although she does not enjoy the cold, man alive, it looks just around every corner. It just looks stunning.
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It's a beautiful place to be. Yeah, it's very much on my must get back to list. But as you mentioned, you're a writer, you're an author. um But I did ask your permission right before we
Foster Care and Community Support
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started. Something that jumped out to me as a lifelong educator is you you're involved in the foster care system.
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And I've seen many children come through my classroom who are waiting to get... yeah I don't to get the terminology wrong, waiting to get placed, waiting to find their home. And then also seeing children who are in their home. And so it's something that that touches me quite deeply, that the the impact of what you do. Would you mind telling me just before we get into your books a little bit about your involvement in the foster care system and what it means to you?
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Sure, sure. um it was It's a big problem. It's a growing problem in our country. And I don't want to misquote statistics because I haven't stayed as much up on it, but you know many thousands of children do not have a home and whenever you have a problem that's that big.
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how in the world do you fix it? And it it can't just be, you know, the government waves a magic wand. It's, it's gotta be people, right? I mean, there, there are some, and I know some superheroes out there that have this heart to constantly be bringing in new kids, as many as they can stuff in their home because kids need family.
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Um, but they can't do it for all, you know, 4,000 kids in a given state, for instance, you know, it it needs to be each person or as many people as we can helping. So, so I had that burden and I've, I've always loved kids. Um,
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and I only, I got married late in my, in my mid thirties, not that late, but um for the time before that, I was like, you know what? I want to be able to, I want to contribute in some small way. And I was definitely no superhero, just one guy. But for several years there, I did first had a, um,
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a preteen boy for about, uh, 15, 16 months, and then later did a long-term placement several months with a, with a teenager and not not as a, as an adoptive situation, just as a going to foster and provide your place, uh, until hopefully you find your forever home. So, um, it, it, you know, it,
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you do what you can, everybody does what they can. but I think as much as we can, certainly as community, try to be there for families that are helping, uh, to support families that are helping, which is something we try to to do certainly through my church. Um, and there are some other, um,
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there There's a lot that can be done, even if you're not ready and willing to open your own home. And not everybody can or shouldn't. That's okay. but I think that you've hit a really key point there that certainly just opened my eyes a little bit. you know ah Obviously, we're all thinking a foster system is wonderful. Let's help these children.
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All you know positive. But most of us, I think, will also go, I don't have the room. I maybe don't have this, I don't have that. It's not something I can do. But you're absolutely right.
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i think all of us in some capacity could support and help and the families that are the ones actually with um the children coming in. And that's... you know not going to just as important, but it's a crucial part of the the the bigger picture.
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Yeah, we can all provide a meal. We can all provide some clothing or yeah something to help. Encouragement. Yes. Yeah, even if we're the ones without the spare bedroom and able to bring in somebody.
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um Yeah, that's that's something that's going to stick with me, is ah yeah saying you don't have the room, which you know I would say, you know I don't have the room. It's fair. It's fair, but that doesn't mean I'm out of the equation.
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So, no, very good. I appreciate you sharing your experiences. But we did connect over, you you've written a series of books, and and please correct me if
The OverTwixt Series
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I'm wrong here, um the Overtwixt series. you may I think you've maybe written some other things.
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I'd love to hear about how you got into writing. I often feel, and a good friend of mine in education always told me, that everyone's got a book in them, but not everyone does anything with it. So I'd love to hear about how you you you travelled that journey.
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Sure. So, uh, over twixt began as a, um, as a story for, uh, what was at that point, my, um, seven or eight year old. I think, I think she was seven year old, my daughter, my third child. And, we, we were doing date nights with the kids. My wife and I were kind of trading off trying to make sure each of our four kids got their, their one-on-one time. And, we were out a, at a Wendy's of all places talking about princesses and unicorns. And, uh, that kind of got me started, but overtwicks grew and ah into, into, uh, a lot more than that, but it's, it's a story originally at the, the first book is based on, um, or features characters based on my four children. Um,
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And very, very deliberately, I wanted to kind of write in to the story um all the best things about them and their loyalty to one another and their interests and um a little bit of their idiosyncrasies. But um it's it's about these four kids that are traveling with their parents through the airport, the Atlanta airport, as it happens, and they go through the wrong gate.
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They get sucked into this magical world. um The bridge behind them back to the real world gets tear torn down and before their parents can come through, so they get stuck there. So they have to be part of this plot to to overthrow an evil tyrant who has been tearing down all the bridges between these floating islands between peoples. so That was the germ of it.
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I love it. And I've not read your books. I want to put that out there, but i'm now I've now become invested, you know, having read through your website and looked looked at your books. I'd love to hear, I've spoken to quite a few um nonfiction authors.
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and But I think this is my first interview somebody written fiction. So obviously this is a different lens of one that's super interesting. how did you approach building a world that felt unfamiliar and foreign but also you you don't want to go too far that way it has to be somewhat recognizable i would imagine how did you come up with with building this um the overworld sorry of the over twix world but a good question absolutely um and and that's a very fair question particularly when writing for young adults for younger readers because too much unfamiliarity and it just it's so alien you can't read it it's hard so uh
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Each, the the whole idea is that over-twixt is kind of a middle a middle place between all the infinite dimensions or alternate dimensions, if you will, of of the universe, fictional, of course, we, the humans being one of them. so all people when they come into overtwicks come into their home island, their home floating island or an island as they're called. And so the humans come in on their human island. And ah interesting interestingly enough, their human island looks a lot like West Virginia. It's got mountains, it's got trees, it's got forests. and um And of course, even just the terminology for things is very human. So it's not, there's enough that's overwhelming coming to a magical world at once without changing all the all the terminology and trappings, but as they go, as they progress through and they they meet very different peoples with a with different everything, obviously you you learn more as you go.
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it it sounds so interesting. Would you share with us, are there any you know books, films, or experiences in your own life that really influenced the overtwixt world series and and the novels as a whole?
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Sure. um I would say that ah part of it was was influenced by my interest in in Greek mythology, this idea of of well the mythological creatures, the the centaurs, the minotaurs, any of the half and half hybrid creatures. um And so a lot of the creatures throughout over Twixtar are half of this and half that. And one of the things I get into as i as I progress through, and I don't even really call it a series so much as a a a universe in which there are different different series that you could jump in at any point. So with my kids, the characters based on my kids' is modern day, there's an ancient history trilogy.
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And particularly in that ancient history trilogy, I start going from other perspectives, other types of peoples, not humans. And I have fun looking at things from their perspective. Well, when they say humans, when they say it, can't talk to today. Sorry, it's cold. can't talk today. Like when a when a merman type creature might see a human, they don't you know they don't think of that person as as a human would. They see a human and they say, oh, that's the top half of a merman and the bottom half of a dolphin or the bottom half of a, of a not a dolphin, obviously, of a, oh, I don't know, something that walks on on two feet. So, you know, I've had a lot of fun trying to look at things from other perspectives, alien as well as as well as things that that are not so alien.
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Do you feel that, there is there an undertone, and there may not be, and that's fine, of reflecting real-world situations, real-world problems in your book? I suspected there might be. um Could you talk a little to that and how that impacts your writing?
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Absolutely. is And I really don't know that I set out to do that at first. Right. um But it it it came out of it as I went along. Again, you know you need conflict in any story. It makes for a fun story. And this this evil villain has been tearing down the bridges. He's been enslaving some people's he's been, you know. Inflaming the passions of others and leading them into into evil actions of conquest and such and um but but but That metaphor of tearing down bridges between people um again, I don't didn't set out to do that but
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It happened. And so now the good characters, they have to unite people. They have to bring people back together. People who um don't always agree on things and in some cases aren't right. You know, and a lot of times.
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Well, all all times all times in this world, they look very different from one another, but often they think very differently. um And so, yes, they have to they have to overcome their differences and be understanding of one another, including within the family of the four children, you know, um to unite and to take down the villain. And even that, you know, the villain, as we see over time, is he's he's he's a character, too.
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You know, he's not just evil, and impersonal. You know, he's a person as well. So, but yes, I think it's a message that we very much need right now. And and I did set out to put some quote-unquote morals to the story. Not preachy, not distracting, but they're in there. Lessons that the kids learn and maybe other readers learn.
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kids right' pick up as they read.
Feedback and Audiobook Production
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and So when you you know you've written the books, you've you're selling them, you I'm curious as to the feedback you receive, um because I'm sure you ask people, what do you think? Or people have come to you and said, I thought this. Has anything been surprising to you? you know Perhaps they took a message or resonated with a character that perhaps in your mind wasn't prominent in in one of your stories.
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um Nothing too surprising. we you know I go through a lot of proofing with people. I try to get a wide variety of of readers before I ever publish anything. um A lot of it sails right over the heads of the younger readers. They just enjoy it for the fun. um But a lot of the adults do comment on some of the messages.
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I guess it's a good thing. I hear people say I don't like fantasy, but I like this. This is fun. Okay, thank you. um But no, had a lot of fun with that. And I will say to the one of the one of the things that's been ah a great joy for me has been is to be involved in the audiobook productions. And that was going to be one of my questions. oh yeah I have a wonderful narrator who does lots of different voices because I do hear different voices for for certain races. and then And then for others, he just he just added them. So um the the horses and the unicorns, you might be interested to hear the horses and the unicorns have ah have a Scottish accent, ah which I absolutely love. There's this one character who's kind of a minor or yeah an important supporting character.
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who's ah this little unicorn. And she's got the cutest little Scottish scottish accent. So I think it sounds wonderful. You might you might think it sounds ah caricature, but ah it's it's been really fun to hear the the voices in the audiobook productions. Well, I'm going to assume that that wasn't a coincidence and was deliberate because the unicorn is the official national animal of Scotland. Is it really? It really is deliberate on his part, on the but not on my part. it' it is It is the official national animal.
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i'm I'm sure I'll get a little bit of the folklore wrong and my fellow countrymen will come down on me. But um this the legend goes, the story goes that... um Basically, Scotland were fighting England.
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The Scots came down in their armor with their shields and they put a fictitious creature of the unicorn on the shield to scare the English. graph Essentially, what kind of animals and and things do they have there? We're going to step back.
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And that was where the legend of the unicorn was born. So it it has become officially stamped in whatever government book it is as the official animal. So I love that little link. That's fantastic. um I was thinking, where do you, I think a lot of people would struggle, i want to write a book.
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and it And it ends there because I'm sure it seems overwhelming. Could you talk me a little bit through the the writing process? you You have a publisher. um yeah Where did this start to where it is today?
Writing Journey and Advice
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Sure. Well, as I am my own publisher. I do self-publish. Okay. I, I frankly, it's one of those goals someday to really try to pursue some, some traditional publishing, at least for, for a project or two. Um, but it's, there's, I have so much I want to write and there's only so much time. Uh, and that is, it's, I do believe that process has changed over, over the decades. Um,
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Certainly the tools are there. it is, it is so much easier than ever before to publish that also mean, or to self publish. That also means it's, it's easy to publish something maybe that's not ready for publishing. So, you know, you still have to have your own internal controls and so forth. So, but what I would say is, is if you want to write, if you want to tell a story, tell the story, you know, decide you're going to do it and do it, you know,
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Try not to bite off too much, you know, more than you can chew. I mean, you know, starting out with an 8,000 page epic, maybe not. um It's, it's, but you, one way or the other, you got to set the time aside and put in the work. Just, you got to treat it like a job, even if it's just a part-time job.
00:16:47
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um where I got started, i mean, I wrote all my life. I wrote for work. I wrote for school. um I did not write a whole, I mean, I ah do little essay type stuff for, for creative writing, but always wanted to write my, my story. And so in,
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2008, I did, and this would I would highly recommend this. I think it's still around. It's called NaNoWriMo. N-A-N-O-W-R-I-M-O. And that's probably.org. I'm not 100% sure of that. NaNoWriMo stands for National Novel Writing Month, and it's November of each year.
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And it's just ah it's a challenge more than anything. it's not really a competition. but It's a challenge for you, for anybody who wants to write a book to write that book. And the challenge is don't don't write a word before, you know, midnight after Halloween, basically. Right. If if you want to start at midnight on November first You start writing and you produce a 40,000 word manuscript in that month. And it's it's not as impossible as it sounds on the surface, especially when you're not being distracted by editing, by rereading.
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You just go, go, go. So you can plan as much as you want to ahead of time. You do your scripting. And I i highly recommend that. That's very much a part of my process. Do all your research and scripting that you can ahead of time. And...
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Boom, you go. and that doesn't going to be ready to publish at the end. Right. But producing a manuscript in that amount of time, you say, wow, this is doable. Okay, now let me start honing my craft.
00:18:17
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Yeah, because I would assume many people who would like to write a book, they have an idea in their head. Don't get much beyond that because there isn't, or they don't feel that there's you know a framework, a structure. They sit down with a yeah know an open Word document and a blank piece of paper, and it and it just, that's it. that i mean, that's where I would be. So to have something like that where there's that, like you said, it's not a competition, but it's challenge,
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to provide that framework for people to flourish. I i mean, I can't wait. I'm going to look that up it's when we get off of this. we'll get It sounds like a really good thing. On that note, i was I'm always curious when I speak to authors in particular, where you do your best thinking. Is it sitting in a chair in your house? Is it going for a walk? Is it nature? Is it with family? Do you find that there's one place in particular where the the really good ideas come to you?
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ah Honestly, Variety is probably my place. Okay. i I do a lot of writing here. This is my writing loft that I'm sitting in here, the upstairs of our of our um detached garage, if you will. Right.
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the office in the house, the the shower sometimes, walking. I mean, sometimes I used to spend a lot of time like at a Panera, just sitting there drinking their coffee, writing. um But for me, when I hit a brick wall, I just sometimes I just have to walk away and think about it. I talk to my wife sometimes for ideas. um But no, just having that variety, being able to walk around and and come back to it.
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I love that. um We're kind of you know coming around to the final stretch here, and I've got three questions I'd like to ask you before we start wrapping this
Redefining Success
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up. um And you can take this as narrow or as broad as you would like, but how has your definition or your feeling of success changed for you over the years?
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That is a good question. um Certainly in terms of writing, I guess I'll put it in the context of writing. um it's It's writing the stories that I want to write. um i I like to say, at least joke that, you know, nobody gets rich writing books. I know that's not true, but and probably not very many people do. Right. You know, and it's like any kind of art and historically people made art because they wanted to not, and then they just kind of, you know, scratched by in terms of, in terms of, you know, making, making a living off of it. um
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it's It's maybe not so bad as that now, but still, know, You do it because you love it. Write the story you want to write. um And, you know, if it if it hits great, quote unquote, commercial success, fantastic. You know, that that that allows you to keep doing more. And and um i think I'm improving in that regard, but I do it because I love it. I write the stories because I can. and um And I keep working on it.
00:21:11
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improving my craft. that's That's an element of success too, improving, constant improvement. I look back at earlier stuff I wrote and I'm better now than I was then.
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Maybe I'm not somebody else's standard, but by my standards, I'm improving. And so that's that's success. Yeah, ah you know, always growing, isn't it? Yes. What you're saying really resonates with me, and I wish I could remember where I heard this, but I can't, so I can't look it up to make sure I've got the details right. But it was somebody who was talking about um one of the one of the big acting unions based in Los Angeles, in it and many tens of thousands of members, and they were saying that the average income for an actor in California is $18,000 year.
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you know And, of course, you take out the 1%, all the names we know that are making $10 million a movie here or whatever it might be, that's going to you know take it down significantly. So you think about the, I think about you know the thousands of people, I'm assuming, that moved to Los Angeles or moved to California every year to pursue their dreams.
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and And the gumption and the dedication that these people must have, because they're going to know that the odds of making it big are like hitting the lottery. They still go because i i imagine it looks like people want to move and become an actor for the fame and fortune when I imagine the reality is they love the craft.
00:22:39
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Yes. And they just want to be on the small stage, a big stage, just just act, just be in there. And i think about these anonymous people quite a bit and go, you know, good for them. Like that's that's that's truly you know, living your craft and doing it right and um we'll never know their names, but they're out there doing it. So it's it's something I think about and it sounds like it sort of resonates with you in your writing as well.
00:23:06
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So outside of the Overtwixt series and and your writing, has there been a book that has been particularly impactful in your life? And it could be fiction, nonfiction, personal, professional, however you want to to view that question.
00:23:21
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ah you say You mean a book from somebody else? Yes, yes, sorry, yes, from somebody else, yes. Gosh, there are so many. yeah Right, yeah.
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I love David Copperfield by Charles Dickens. And it's funny. He's kind of, he's, I've kind of written that book into the one I'm working on or just finished, which is a murder mystery where the character is seeing a lot of parallels between his life. But I just, I love that. It's an epic. um And then I, you know, to, to speak of somebody who actually is very, very highly successful in the in the present day at the top of their game is um ah Brandon Sanderson on the far extreme from from you know one of the classics, Brandon Sanderson writes epic, epic fantasy. And he's been one that in recent years,
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um He does such a great job storytelling and setting up twists in the future that some of his early books, I actually would finish reading and I'd go back and reread them from the beginning to say, okay, how did he hide that twist in the very first line of that book?
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You know, how, which of course, when it finally reveals, gives you this great sense of satisfaction as a reader. So I've actually studied how he does things. So that's been inspiring inspiring in a way as well.
00:24:38
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So I just want to make sure I'll tell you why saying it, but is it Sanderson? Yes. Okay. um I generally read nonfiction for no reason other than I enjoy nonfiction. Sure. And i've I've not read any fiction and gone, this is garbage. It's not for me. I just haven't invested in it yet. But my wife, on the other hand, loves fiction writing.
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And... she has She often thinks about what you've just been talking about. you know How did they hide that? So I want to make sure she knows his name. um It wouldn't surprise me if she goes, oh, I've read something. Sure. Well, they're they're very, very long books. Very long books. Right. Right.
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i will I look forward to talking about talking with that excuse me as soon as we get off our call here. um I usually just have one more question, but for you I've got two, because we do share a common nerddom of orchestral
Favorite Orchestral Soundtracks
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movie soundtracks. yeah I don't pretend to be an expert or anything. I just...
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love them. I just, i I've always, i enjoy classical music, but this this genre of having of telling a story and setting a scene through orchestral music. um Do you have a favorite? is it Is it possible to choose one or could you just let us know one or two that you are particularly keen on?
00:25:58
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Sure. ah I mean, it's the not shocking at all john williams is definitely near the top of that list certainly in my younger years he was he was a favorite i mean just look at how many iconic themes he wrote star wars indiana jones superman i mean uh harry potter so uh he's definitely a favorite he's obviously not as active anymore and and han zimmer is very um he's very prolific as well but there's like you say there's so many yes i think i mean again john williams seems like an easy answer but i think it was impactful because i adored the movie and it came out in my teenage years so i just listened to the original jurassic park soundtrack oh yes intensely from start to finish um
00:26:43
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I was, oh, I don't know, 12 or 13 when it came out. And I remember taking my own money, it seemed like a lot at the time, to purchase the CD. And that thing just got worn out. um And so it's just ingrained in my soul as as my favorite soundtrack of all time.
00:27:01
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It's a good one. Yes, one of my favorites. My final question for you, this this might take a little thinking, but I was wondering if this's if anybody in the world, and this could be somebody in your life, somebody famous, somebody you don't know, from history or today, anyone who's ever lived, came to you and said I'd like to be written into one of your books. I'd like for you to base a character around me and my characteristics. Is there anyone that you think you would like to base a character around to put into the overtwixt world?
00:27:36
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Interesting. Yeah. Again, I was just, I was thinking, while you're thinking, I was thinking this morning about character development and as you very conveniently alluded to basing some on real life people.
00:27:49
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um So I was just curious as to if there's anyone who would could come to you and say, I'd love to be in the in the next book, the next series. Someone that I'd like to write. Yeah.
00:28:00
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I mean, nobody's popping to mind. I will say I've done a little bit of that already. um Oh, maybe you could tell us just a bit. Yes. when i Well, when I launched, um so I did a Kickstarter, again, trying different things for different different series, but I did a Kickstarter to launch OverTwixt and publish nine nine books in the universe all at once. wow And um one of the one of the packages for the people that that supported at the highest level or one of the highest levels was that they could have their own OverTwixt story.
00:28:25
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So was brilliant I've gotten to write a few of those. um And it's it's been a lot of fun because I just I give them the survey, you know, what do you want? You know, what do you want? So in Overtwix, everybody chooses a role from a list of a short list of options. And, um you know, like my kids are the the lore master, the empress, the princess and the knight, like ah know a knight in shining armor. So to have people say, well, I would like to be the the lounge pianist or, or whatever it may be. It's been a lot of fun to do that. And historically the ancient, the ancient stories I've written in some, um some actual or semi, semi historical characters, ah Orpheus, for instance, you know, was he a real person or not? I don't know, you know, but 3000 years back, i wrote him into the story.
00:29:13
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um So it's, it's, it's It's been a fun, fun thing. But yes, I absolutely love love writing people in. so I love that. And I love the direction you took that question, which is why I ask it, because it can go ah huge amount of different different ways, the way people think about that.
Where to Find R.L. Akers' Work
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um Where can people find you if they're going, I want to read you you know some of these books. I want to find out more about ah RL himself. Where's the best best place to to read about you to find out or to even get in touch with you?
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Sure. ah Well, my website is rlacres.com and you can contact me through there, find social media links. OverTwixt has its own website, overTwixt.com.
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Of course, you can buy books you know from all the major online resellers ah retailers, I should say, but you can also get them through through those websites if you buy directly from me. um I will sign and mail them to you, sign sign the books.
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um but yeah that's the between those two sites uh just about everything you could possibly want to know about me which is probably more than you than you need to know about me but yes i love it and i'm a huge you know i the main way i consume books these days is through audiobooks um trying to do two things at once if i'm going from ah and i try to go for a walk every day let's do where are your audiobooks available is that through should we go through your website or where's the best place to go You can. Amazon, of course, audible.com is okay associated with Amazon. Audiobooks.com. They're on Apple Books. um
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All the major ones should be there. So several of the overtwicks are out. And i think we're three or four murder mysteries and i have a murder mystery series as well. So. Fantastic. Well, RLA, I cannot thank you enough for your time this morning. Thank you so much.
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