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Melissa Rodway
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Join Alasdair and Melissa as we discuss world travel, taking a break from work, and putting your experiences into a book!
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Introduction to Outdoorsy Educator Podcast
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Hello and welcome to the Outdoorsy Educator Podcast, the show where curiosity meets the open road. I'm your host Alistair and I invite you to join me as we explore the world through travel, nature, getting outside and the power of learning.
Inspiring Stories of Transformative Travel
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Each episode we will dive into stories from inspiring educators, adventurers and global citizens who are reshaping what it means to learn whether it's in a classroom, on a mountain trail, or even halfway across the world. From backpacking trips that change your perspective to educational journeys that transform communities, we will cover it all. So pack your curiosity, lace up your boots, and let's discover how the world teaches us.
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One step, one story, one adventure at a time.
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Guest Introduction: Melissa Rodway
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And on this week's episode of the Outdoorsy Educator podcast, we have Melissa Rodway. Melissa, how are you today? I'm wonderful, Alistair. How are you?
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Doing very well. We're quite far apart geographically. You're up in Toronto. I'm down here in Dallas. So it's ah probably a bit chillier where you are than it is here.
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Yeah, today, actually, there were signs of winter coming pretty cold and windy and rainy. So time to get those snow tires on. I guess you can't relate to that. you know Nobody down here has snow tires.
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I've seen the occasional sort of the chains that people will put on their tires, but that's a once in 10
Weather and Culture: Toronto vs. Dallas
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years sort of situation. um When ice is here, people tend to panic and not drive. and Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, it's just not done.
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just not not done yeah it's just not done so i i used to sort of tease people a little bit coming from a colder climate but really it's nobody i mean you can't try and drive in it if you never get it so oh yeah totally do you miss that i know you're from scotland do you miss colder weather sometimes i do i do um that you know as you'll be very aware down here it's it's brutally hot in the summer yeah And it's almost like um I describe it as reverse seasonal depression, yeah where it's just so hot, you're you're stuck inside.
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And that doesn't really suit me very well, being stuck inside a lot. yeah um I like to be outside. And if you're cold, you can always put more clothes on. But if you get too hot, you get arrested at some point for taking off too much.
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So... ah You know, it is what it is, but this is a nice time of year. It's a little chilly in the morning and at night and then just glorious during the day.
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um So we're in a nice couple of weeks, I think, coming up. Good, good for you. Yes, but I'm excited to talk to
Melissa's Travel Tales and 'The People You Meet'
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you. youve It seems like you have done a lot of traveling, which has found its way into writing a book called The People You Meet, which I'm excited to to really hear about this journey.
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But why don't we kind of go back to the beginning? Why don't we start off with with who you are? Where do you come from? What do you do? Very nice. Okay. ah So I am Canadian. i am from a small town originally outside of Toronto called Port Perry. It's about an hour and a bit northeast.
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But I've been in Toronto for the last, sir I don't know, over 20 years, I guess. But I've lived in various parts of Canada. i was in Montreal and Victoria, Jasper in the mountains, which you'd probably really like. Mm-hmm.
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and a little place called Barrie and now I'm here. So basically, yeah, I have like a regular nine to five job in Toronto, which is bittersweet.
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But when I can work around that I do I try to travel as much as I can. was very lucky. 2023, I took a year off through work, had leave. through my work i had a ah le and did some really great traveling then and the book that you're talking about was from a time when i actually quit my job when I was 35 and i took some time out and did some traveling then too so there's always travel on my radar and it's a big part of something that I like to do you know it's just if you get the bug it doesn't go away
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Right. No matter how much you travel, it it's eight minutes when you've got it, you've got it. Exactly. And that's just it. Well, we'll get into the book shortly because I've deliberately not read it. I know a little bit about what it's about, but I didn't want to did you dive too far into it. wanted to talk to you about it. But when it comes to travel, tell me some of the places that you've been, that you've loved, maybe places that surprised you Oh, that's a really good question. um i mean, I pretty much I like everywhere that i go, but I am a big fan of Latin speaking Latin American countries like Spanish speaking places. So Central America, I absolutely love Nicaragua, Guatemala, Belize, that part of the world. I also love South America. I've seen a lot of that.
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um I was in Jordan right before the pandemic and I loved Jordan. That was very different for me and I had never really planned to go there, but it just sort of grabbed a hold of me and I decided I had to go.
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So that was pretty cool. Spent a little bit of time in Nepal. ah My book is from a trip through Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and China. So I've seen that part of the world.
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I have not been to Africa yet,
Canadian Cultural and Geographical Diversity
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Alistair. So that on my that's on my to-do list. So, yeah. I love it. I've got a friend who just landed in Nepal two days ago um to do some hiking and just I've been following her on Instagram. And I mean, just, it just looks, I know everywhere can look wonderful online.
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and And I, you know, you try not to have the sort of rose tinted glasses on and I get, but it really does look like an incredible place to visit. Yeah, it's really, really beautiful. Unfortunately, i tried to do the Annapurna circuit, but there had been a massive avalanche. So I, my hiking got veered in another place, but even still, it's so beautiful, Nepal. So yeah, recommend it.
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And I've always been drawn to Canada. I've been there just... I've been there twice, but it was really in the same trip. It was a couple of weeks apart. And only to the Toronto and the winds Windsor Corridor, up to that area. So it's definitely a bucket list of mine. And it seems very idyllic.
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um Every time I watch a show about I speak to somebody, it just looks like a wonderful place for the outdoors. You've lived in various places in Canada. But...
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Is there anywhere that stands out to you as you'd like to go back and live again? Anywhere that surprised you? I think our listeners would love to hear a little bit about the different cultures within Canada, especially you mentioned Montreal.
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So I'm a very proud Canadian and yes, I love this country. It's very beautiful and there is so much to explore for sure. It's a magical place and it's too big probably in some ways. It's so hard to get around, but yeah,
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So certainly the West Coast is is a given. It's very, very beautiful. I lived in the Rockies for about three, four years when I was younger, 18 to 21, and I was living a wild and crazy life out there.
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um Certainly very beautiful for hikers and any kind of activity they're into. But my heart lies in the East Coast. I lived in Montreal for a couple of years for school.
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I spent five weeks living in Quebec City in 2023, and I fell in love with Quebec City. It's a beautiful, beautiful place. Of course, it's fairly touristy, but you do feel like you're in Europe. There's still a lot of French spoken in there.
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And if you're an outdoorsy person, I was there in the winter because I love, love winter. So my goal was to be a complete winter person. So everything there is less than an hour to do, whereas in Toronto, that's impossible sometimes.
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So everything's convenient, but even within the city itself, there's tons of like cross country skiing and skating and just being in winter, being in nature. But the you know, there's other things that are a 20 minute drive that are just mind blowing. So that I love.
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um And just the East coast in general, it has a real vibe to it. It's got a real culture of the Maritimes. Well, some of your ancestors obviously came from there to the Maritimes, Alistair. So you can imagine the music, the the personalities, the stories, they're really good storytellers.
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There's a lot of seafood. I was just in Prince Edward Island, which is the smallest province, and it's absolutely stunning, magical. So the East Coast is very beautiful with the hikes and the, you know, the coastal scenery. So i do, i do love that part of Canada for sure.
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I love that. um There's two things that jumped out at me. I'm not sure if she's on the public television anywhere there, but she's a staple here in the States. i'm Samantha Brown. um i don't know if you've ever heard of her, but she's on public television here and just has traveled the world for two decades.
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And I didn't know anything about Quebec City until a couple of years ago where she did a winter special there. And man, like how more people, including myself, didn't know about this place.
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like magical It is quite something. It's quite something. And when I was there, I mean, my goal was to just be outside as much as humanly possible. And I and I achieved that goal.
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But something really cool that I did there was called ah ice canoeing. So I don't know if Samantha Brown showed you this. She did. I don't think so. So i'll I'll tell you quickly. Basically, this is a sport that has been in Quebec for a long time. um I'm sure I can't remember at this moment. I don't think it started as a sport. It was probably a way of life, to be honest, but it's become a sport now.
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And they compete around the province and internationally. But basically, you're in a very large canoe. They give you spikes that you put on the bottom of your boots. They give you knee pads. They give you some wetsuit material that basically comes up to just pass your knees.
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And I think I mentioned an oar with a spike on it. Maybe I didn't say that. So basically you're in a boat with five or six other people. You're in the St. Lawrence River, which is full of ice flows. So it's all ice and water and it's like thick, thick ice.
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So you're in this boat and if they're if you're trapped in the ice, what you're doing is everyone has got one knee in the boat and the other foot is like got the spikes on it and you're pushing, pushing, pushing off all these ice flows to keep propelling the boat forward.
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As soon as you hit open water, everyone does a 180, jumps in the boat and starts paddling. like as much as they can in the water and if there's ice that happens to get in your way you chop it up with the paddle as soon as you hit another ice flow you're you've you're out again pushing the boat like getting any grip that you can off the ice to get to open water is the most exciting thing and scary thing i've ever done so if you get to quebec city that's one thing you must do I am going to look that up on YouTube when we're done because that just sounds wild.
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Well, you may not have heard of Samantha Brown, but one person, they'll take away your passport if you don't agree. Eugene Levy, the actor. Right. canadian One of Canada's dearest sons.
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like um I was just, again, just coincidentally this week, I watched the season finale of his series, The Reluctant Traveller. Ah. which is just, it's so, because I love it. Like, he's he's just a wonderful ah presenter, actor.
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I'm sure he's a lovely guy too. um But the final episode, he was in Vancouver, which always strikes me somewhere great to visit, but I could never afford to live. um My understanding is it's very expensive out there.
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But he he and Michael Bublé spent a few days together doing all sorts of just... Just wonderful things. I mean, look, it looks and just absolutely idyllic. ah I've been up to Seattle, you know, this have almost made it um up to BC, but not quite.
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Well, one day. yeah there's so much to see in Canada. It's just, yeah, it's a there's hidden gems everywhere. I've got it's on the bucket list. I don't really know why, but um the backstory is I collect license plates, number plates off of old cars and things. I've got several hundred.
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I just, to me, they're little pieces of art and they and some of them are really quite beautiful. And years ago had said, you know, I've got all the United States, one from each state.
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I'm going to get every Canadian territory. and then stumbled across Nunavut, which has polar bears for plates. And thought this, that seems like my kind of something about that I like a lot.
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And I know it's it's way out there. it is truly off the beaten track. But for some reason, that place calls to me just to visit and see how people live up there. Oh, definitely. Me too. I have not been, but I think it's a, it's a must for sure.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's a you know truly wild country. and Very wild. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to just, just peer into that world um for a little a while, but yeah, lots of people love to travel, but you, you've done something with this. um Am I right in saying that you want a radio show host and it turned into a podcast?
From Radio to Podcast: Melissa's Transition
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Yeah, so I started this radio show, I can't remember, i would say like 2017, I think. um So yes, I started that with a community radio station. So with the University of Toronto, and it was an adventure travel podcast.
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um And that or sorry, it was a radio show. And then as the years progressed, it kind of started morphing more into a podcast. um And I really loved it. i As you can relate, you meet all these amazing people.
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You learn about different parts of the world that you never heard of. You hear about these incredible adventures and you just develop an awesome community. Right. i I loved it. I had to put it on hold because of my book.
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And i also have a full time job. So. Right. that But yeah, that and, you know, I had really cool people. There was a guy on my show. um if you've not heard of him, you should look him up. His name is Mario Rigby. He's from Toronto.
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And he literally walked across Africa for two and a half years. There was another guy on my show who cycled home from China to Toronto um across like 42 countries, I think. I mean, obviously there was a plane in there at one point.
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Right. It's not all Canadians, but just really, really interesting dynamic stories, you know, of people doing some pretty spectacular stuff.
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That's what I find. i mean, this this podcast was born out of I love to travel, I love hiking, I love camping, and ah work in education. i thought about how do I combine those.
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But like most things in the world, I find it comes down to people and their stories. um You can watch travel shows telling you about you know I don't know, the Vatican and the Colosseum and what to do in Rome, but that's very interesting.
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But let me hear the stories of the people. yeah um And that's that truly what I've found i love. I love to hear. yeah And how these stories have have changed people.
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Yeah, totally. Fascinating. I'll tell you quickly because i I should have mentioned this earlier and i don't want to forget, but speaking of people, so went to Toronto, um your adopted hometown, and it's been about 20 years.
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And I was, you know poor student kind of thing, backpacking, and... I've made it to the CN Tower. I don't quite remember the scenario, but I think it was, it cost a little bit to go all the way up to the top.
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And I just didn't have the money or was wasn't willing to spend it. So I'm sitting at the bottom with, stereotypically, the big backpack with all the patches on it and a Scotland flag. and you know And this guy came up to me, I wish I'd stayed in touch with him.
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And he said, oh, you're backpacking? you know As I'm sitting there with my massive pack. And yes, and we got talking and he said, well, I work in the marketing department for the Leafs.
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Do you want to come and see inside the stadium and see the trophy cabinets? Wow. And I knew nothing about hockey, of course, but I'm like, I'm in, you know, 100%. he took me in and he he just told me that when he traveled around Europe, everybody was so nice.
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It was the people, he went for the sights and he he left missing the people. yeah And so he made a conscious choice. He was going to spread some of that joy when he got back to Toronto and back to work.
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And that's when he saw me in my backpack, he was like, I'm going to try and do something for this guy. And, you know, i had a great hour looking around. He showed me around the, I forget the name of the arena, but, you know, showing me around and then went on our our merry way. And it's again, it's just people.
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Yes. um That's an amazing story. I love that. Yeah, think it represents Toronto quite well and the people of Toronto. Sometimes. Sometimes. i'm sure I'm sure there's other sides like every major area.
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yeah Just like Texans for the vast majority of some of the friendliest people I've ever met. I'm sure. I live in an urban area similar to you. and We've got five million people.
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It's all walks of life. Exactly. But yeah that's so great. I love that. Yeah. And when I think of Toronto, I think of that story and I, you know, yeah it's been a long time. I can barely picture the guy, but it was such a cool day.
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yeah um so that's, ah that's my little memory. Of course. So you did a podcast like many of us have done, but you took it to another level of writing the book.
The Making of 'The People You Meet'
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What, what prompted you to write the people you meet?
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So basically the background of this story is that in 2010, was on a trip with a partner and we were traveling through Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, and China. And he worked in luxury travel and was on kind of a mission to and see some hotels and research some routes.
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And I was along for the ride. So I would say 90% of it was backpacking. 10% was luxury, which was very nice because yeah came in handy. um But for me, i didn't really have a purpose. I mean, he had a purpose. I did not. I was just the wingman.
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And um I started to get a little cagey. So after three or four weeks, and this is something that I've learned about myself as I get older as a traveler, But I can't just travel for the sake of traveling anymore. And I kind of learned this 35.
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So started creating these emails in my head while I was sitting on, you know, 36 hour bus and train rides. And then every week you'd go to an internet cafe because we didn't have phones back then.
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we're going to internet cafes and hotels with computers. And I was sending these emails home, these things that I was like creating in my head and people started sending them emails. to other people and really enjoyed them. And if I was smart, I should have started a blog because that's when everyone started blogging in 2010, but I didn't.
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um And basically that's where this book came from So i was in and out of it deciding if I would publish it or not. And then I found 15 years later, i just decided to go for it. I had taken the year off 2023.
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And then i think sometimes when you do, when you start doing some things, other things start happening, like just your confidence changes or your outlook changes. And I decided to go for it. But I'm kind of glad I waited because things have changed in 15 years, Alistair. And the things that we said in 2010, we can't necessarily say them now.
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Right, ah right. Yeah. So there was a little bit and of editing going on there. But it's a really great story. um It's very funny. It's very honest.
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You will feel like you're on the journey with me through these countries. A lot of people who have been to that part of the world feel like they're instantly back there with the sights, the smells, the chaos.
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um And yeah, so you're just you'll feel like you're along for the ride if you're a traveler or even not a traveler. It's a good armchair story. But yeah, it's ah very honest and it's a good, fast, fun read.
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I love it. And when I had a quick look at your bio with ah before we started recording. And very oddly, for the third time in a week, ah something has come up that is not my wheelhouse, not my area of knowledge at all. And that is stand-up comedy.
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And it says on your, I do another podcast and it relates to television show. um And I interviewed somebody who was on it, ah who now does stand up.
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And I spoke to a fellow writer literally two or three hours ago who used to work in a comedy club but and that he he has adopted some of the skills that he saw people on stage and uses that to promote his book and his work, getting that confidence. And then,
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I click onto your bio and see that you, as you, and I quote, dipped your smallest toe into the waters of stand-up. And I happen to be going to an improv class myself next week.
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Just a local comedy club is putting one on. And I thought, you know, what that all that does is stand to give me some skills I can use in other areas of life. Why why not give it a shot? So I'd love just to hear a little bit about what you've done.
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So I haven't done a ton, but I last year, and again, i think this stems from, you know, I took a year off in 2023 and then, yeah, you just kind of start doing things, you know? So last year I signed up, actually, this the truth is that I was taking a project management course and it was so boring the very first night that i started Googling like fun things to do.
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And I saw I found this course and it was like public speaking through stand up comedy. I dropped out of my project management course and I went to this. So I went to this thing for eight weeks and I learned like how to pitch um potential storylines. I learned how to like create eight minutes worth of material. And off I went and i performed at a club and I absolutely loved it.
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So you're going to have a great time. um if you like telling stories and you have material and you're, you know, if you've been observing the world around you, it's a really amazing thing to
Storytelling Through Stand-Up Comedy
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do. It's not as easy as it looks. These like comedians make it look so easy. It is not.
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Right. But I loved it. I would do it again for sure. But um the book sort of happened right after that. So there you go. Yeah, I'm excited. Like I said, I've got no aspirations of being a stand up comedian. It's more learning the skill set. As you said, you could use it to pitch storylines. And I'm in education. there's There's things I can do with this skill set if i am if I'm able to acquire it. So I'm quite excited.
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Good for you. Yeah, you'll love Thank you. Now, as we kind of come around the bend here to the home stretch, I've always got three questions that I like to um ask my guests, having not told them what they are beforehand.
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um The first one for you is, how has success and your definition of it changed over the years? Oh, that's a very good question because I struggle with that word.
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um i think as I get older, I'm 50 now, almost 51. um I think it's still being able to do these things that I like to do. I think it's having a body that I can still go on hiking trips with and cycling. And I'm still able to do that. I think that's a success because you look around, not everyone can do that.
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um i think that just living in a place in a country in a city that enables you to try whatever you want to do like stand-up comedy like writing a book i feel like i am very lucky and that i can keep sort of trying these things and take kind of these risks you know and the sun will still come up tomorrow um yeah and just I think there's a I think once you start doing these sorts of things and I'm sure you know this with your podcast is the the domino effect of people that you meet and opportunities that come your way it's not always what as a little girl this is probably not the life that I had dreamt for myself but it has like
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Once you kind of get the ball rolling in one area, new things start opening up to you that you never really dreamed would happen. So i would say my version of success is different and changing all the time. And i'm there's still things I'm striving for. But I think we learned that, you know, if you really want to do something, it may not look like what you thought it would look like, but a different avenue will reveal itself to take you in that way anyway.
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I love that. Beautifully, beautifully said. um If you could choose just one movie or book that you would say has had a profound impact on your life, could you choose one?
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I don't know if there's one, but um when I went to Jordan, I read this book called, um i think it's called Being Married to a Bedouin or something like that.
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And it's not super well written, but it's a true story about this woman who when she was in her early twenties and this was back in the seventies, went backpacking around the middle East. And it's like, that's a pretty scary thing to do at that time. Right. As a woman and ended up meeting this man in Jordan and marrying him and living in a cave for like a very long time and raising three kids.
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And that story has always stuck with me in terms of someone being very brave in choosing this culture over her own. I think she was from New Zealand and went back to New Zealand at one point and, you know, had all the creature comfort she could possibly have, but was like, I don't want that.
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I want this life of the unknown and you know, in a very different culture. um story always stays with me. And I often think about this. And when I went to Jordan, I got to meet her son because he's around Petra.
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And um yeah, I love that. I love that risk. You know, that that's a huge it's a huge leap from one culture to another. I mean, some of these some of the moves that we make are not so different. right This is very different. That's a huge move. That sounds like a fascinating read.
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You should read it. Yeah, I'll look that up. Married to a Bedouin. Married to a Bedouin. I'm writing that down now. And my last question for you is, if you could go hiking for 10 miles with anybody, this could be somebody you know, somebody you don't know, dead, alive, somebody from history, somebody from the present day, who would you like to go hiking for 10 miles with and have that one-on-one time to talk?
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um Alanis Morissette because I love her. She's amazing. Yeah, that that might be the most Canadian answer ever. Yeah, she's very smart and she's very insightful and she's very funny. So yes, it would be her.
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I love it that That would be a fascinating 10 miles. Absolutely no doubt. Yeah, I could die after that. There'd be nothing left to do for me. That would be it. That would be it.
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Well, if people want to get hold of you, find you online, ask you any questions, where can they find you? The best place is on Instagram. So that is at fly underscore travel underscore media.
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um My book is on Amazon, The People You Meet by Melissa Rodway. i have a website. I don't update it a lot, but there's all my podcasts are there. So that's flyrodway.com.
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And I think those are the three best places. Wonderful. Well, Melissa Rodway, thank you so much for spending this time with me this evening. It's been wonderful. Thank you, Alistair. I really enjoyed it. Appreciate it.
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