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We're Back: The Devil's Tramping Ground & A Woman in Black
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We are back again! This time we're discussing the Devil's Tramping Ground in North Carolina and a Woman in Black from Appalachian folklore.
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Return of the Sinister Sisters
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Speaker
Welcome to the Sinister Sisters podcast. I'm Felicia. And I'm Lauren. We're best friends. And we love spooky stuff. Oh, yeah. And we're back. Happy 2021.
A New Focus on Spooky Topics
00:00:25
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It's so exciting to have this be like our first, or like, at least for me, my first new year, new project kind of thing.
00:00:33
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And I feel like we needed it, like something fresh, even though this is technically a older podcast. We haven't posted since March, since the lockdown started in New York. And now we're doing it via FaceTime.
00:00:49
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Which is so exciting. Look at this technology. I love technology. So we're back. The podcast, by the way, we've spent our little break thinking about it. And it's going to be a little bit different. Instead of talking about horror movies and spooky stuff associated with horror movies, we're instead going to just be focusing on the spooky. Yes. All things sinister, we shall say.
00:01:16
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Yes, anything paranormal, strange occurrences that can't be explained, aliens, urban legends, anything like that. That's kind of weird. We're going to talk about each week. Which we're really excited about. It's going to be putting our research hats back on. Yeah. Less movie watching probably. But I'm very, very much looking forward to it. Me too. And especially ours this week.
Technical Hiccups and Lessons Learned
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Yeah.
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And if you want to know the true truth of it, and this is the true truth, we are re-recording this episode because as we started to learn about doing this via FaceTime, there was a little bit of a learning curve and the sound was bad. And we said, well, we probably shouldn't start this back up with bad sound. So we're re-recording it again. Yes. But we're going to pretend as though this is the first time we're recording this.
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So if there are any issues between this one and the next episode, if we say things in the second episode, referencing things that we maybe don't say this episode, tough luck. If there are any continuity issues, sorry. You know what? We're just like a good, I don't know, low budget movie. We're just low budget. That's it.
Horror Recommendations: Castle Freak and Freaky
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But we are still gonna do one thing that we started doing in our older episodes, which is our little recommendation section at the beginning. To hear more particularly, because I feel like on my YouTube, always I'm talking about stuff I'm watching, but I never get to hear what Lauren's watching.
00:02:53
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This is really just for anyone to hear what I'm watching. No one cares. No, I'm excited. I actually am. And it can be anything. So if we want to talk about movies, TV shows, podcasts, whatever, all that stuff. But yes, I don't know if you have watched it yet, because as we said, we're re-recording. But I still want to recommend Castle Freak, which is on Shutter.
00:03:21
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produced by Fangoria. It's a remake, so I am so sorry, but I have not seen the original. I very much look forward to seeing the original so that I can compare them, but it was crazy. It was one of those just not a great script, maybe not some great acting moments, but I loved the special effects are wild.
00:03:48
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Um, and it's just one of those movies that I laughed start to finish for better for worse.
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That's what movies should do though, they should entertain you. And if it did that, it did its job. And that's why I feel like I need to recommend it is that like I am not somebody that's like it needs to be, you know, technically a great movie or like, I mean, I feel like I'm the person each year that's like, Oh, I didn't, I just realized I didn't watch any of like the Oscar movies because like, a lot of times I just like, I just don't care so much.
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But if it's a movie that keeps me entertained, I love it. I love it. And this one is one of those. And there's one scene that I just like, I really want you to watch it so that you can text me during the scene and say, Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. It's just wild. It's like each moment that happens is just like, you're just like, okay, that that's pretty crazy. Oh, they're going to go there. Oh,
00:04:40
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nope they're going even there like it's like just keep pushing it but it's great and like the I don't know the lead actress is is just just beautiful and not great at acting to me so loved it
00:04:57
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That's great. That's great. And what I recommended last time we recorded this episode is Freaky, which with Vince Vaughn, that I ended up putting on my, it's like somewhere in the middle on my top 10 horror films of 2020.
00:05:14
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because it's just so fun. It is nothing but pure, silly horror movie fun. The kills are very, they kind of reminded me of like Final Destination kills, like they're very creative. It's just funny. And it's just like that kind of like silly horror movie I really needed this year, especially as 2020 just, you know, sucked. It was nice to have like, and actually I was thinking about my like top
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horror films of this year. They're all like super bummers. Like they're all like very like deep, sad, psychological. And then there's like freaky. It's just like, it's just it's the point of it is fun. So if you need that right now, highly recommend by the physical, which I don't do a lot. But I kind of like has good special features. I bet it does. Yeah. I love I that's like my one reason that I always want to buy the actual physical copy is I just love special features so much.
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They're the best. They're the best. I am also taking this chance to talk about Cherry Falls with you again. Oh, yay! Because I think about it.
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almost every day. No, that's right. Think about it. I think about it way more than probably somebody should think about, Cherry Falls. But I just thought Brittany Murphy was so good. It's very like, if you haven't seen it, it's very kind of like meta and Heathers-y. But the premise is that like the slasher in it is killing virgins.
00:06:47
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which is the opposite of a lot of horror movies. So it feels like it's sort of turning that idea that the Virgin is the one that lives and kind of switching that. So it's like all these kids are trying to have sex so that they don't get murdered. It's a good time.
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It's so great. And it came out in the midst of those, I think this is right, correct me if I'm wrong, those like 90s teen slasher movies. And so it's like, it doesn't get as much love as like Scream or like Urban Legend, but I would say it's really good. Yes. I want to watch it again, actually, because I haven't seen it in a long time. Yeah. And it does feel like, I don't know, there's just like enough going on that I feel like, yes, rewatching it would be interesting.
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It's like you it's feels like just like fun and silly but there's all this other stuff going on I guess yeah, oh poor Brittany ready All right the greatest anything else um No, I think I probably it. I'm really excited to start talking about some weird stuff together
00:07:49
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I know. Me too. Me too. Do you want to go first first?
The Devil's Tramping Ground Mystery
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First first. I'll go first first. First episode ever. Ever. First comeback episode. Okay, so here we go. This week both of us actually decided to do
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stories from the areas where our families live. And I say families live and not hometown because I didn't actually grow up in North Carolina, which is where mine is going to take place. But almost all my family lives there. So I thought it'd be fun to look into. And that is the Devil's Tramping Ground, which is in Bear Peak, North Carolina in Chatham County.
00:08:29
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And the overall, the basic, is that it's a camping area in the middle of the woods, and it's a perfect 40-foot circle where nothing grows. It is a barren circle. There are no trees, grass. No vegetation can grow there. It's just dirt. And the interesting part, besides it being a circle, is that no one, no scientist, no one has ever been able to figure out why this is.
00:08:57
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It's so weird and it's been reported on for hundreds of years. And so they know from North Carolina documents, it has always been there and no one has ever been able to figure out why. It's been talked about in the newspapers, it's been talked about on news stations, even in the modern day, and they just can't figure it out. And so that's kind of like
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that's the literal of it. The urban legend around it is, you know, at midnight, the devil comes out of the woods, right, or into this path. And so basically, the circle has a path on one side and another path on the other. And so the idea is that at midnight, he comes up the path, he
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dances, stomps, and paces around the circle, and he plants his mischief and his evil, and then he goes down the other path back to hell. Killing all the plants on his way. Killing all the plants. Killing all the wildlife. Yeah. And so that's sort of like the idea. And then the spooky, spooky of it is there's a lot of weird stuff associated with this circle.
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My favorite is that they say if you put an object in the circle, it will either disappear when you come back the next day or it will be moved to a different location, which is very strange. So I guess if you sat there and watched it, it might be wouldn't move. Maybe.
00:10:24
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I don't know. I'm just fascinated. So you have to leave it. Yeah, you have to leave it walk away and come back. Yeah. The other thing is dogs refuse to walk on it and they yip and how when they get close to it, which is like a classic
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horror movie, scary story thing where the animals always know first. They just know. They have better senses, intuition. I say this as I look at a passed out Toby on the couch just staring at the floor. You must be safe then. That means there's no spooky presence in your house. Nothing is known to Toby. So that's not saying much.
00:11:04
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Okay. And then some other, some people obviously love to go and spend the night there because it is a spooky location. Think like, you know, people going to stay where the Blair Witch was filmed, things like that. And apparently very spooky things happened there. There was some dude that spent the night in the middle of the circle in like a tent.
00:11:27
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and he said that he could just hear something going around the tent all night, which is freaking terrifying. Yeah, I guess he just stayed in the tent. He said, I'm not coming out. He's like, I'm not coming out. I don't care what it is. I don't want to see it. Yeah. There was one news report where a lady said that
00:11:47
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She had been there like as a teenager and she was like a middle-aged woman at the time of the interview and she said that when she was there she saw a door appear on a tree in the middle of the night and there was a red light coming out of it. Oh man, that's like very specific. That's very specific. Unclear if she was sane or not. Oh.
00:12:09
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unclear if she was just saying it because there was a camera on her, I don't know. But she seemed pretty sure of herself, honestly. I mean, that is like, if you're going to make up something like that does feel like very, very specific and very like, imaginative.
00:12:25
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Totally, totally. So as spooky spots in the middle of nowhere goes, this is, of course, a party spot. Classic. So teens, young adults come here to party. There's typically beer cans hanging out and stuff like that. And yeah, so I guess here's a couple of theories. Okay. So my favorite scientist version of this is there was a soil scientist named Rich Hayes.
00:12:52
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that I found in an interview on a YouTube channel. Thank you, YouTube. And he's a soil scientist. His literal job is to study soil. He goes, he takes some soil from the circle, and then he takes some soil from outside the circle and he looks at them.
00:13:08
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And he said there's basically no scientific data as to why the plants couldn't grow there. He thought maybe there's high levels of salts in the soil. Like if you've ever heard of salting someone's grass, which is like super evil because it kills all the grass. Or like high levels of copper. Like he had all these theories of like why that would be. And he couldn't figure it out. He said there's no scientific
00:13:32
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reason. But he did say that the soil in the circle does have a very different chemistry than the soil right outside of it, which is also very strange.
00:13:43
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Yeah, to be that close. Yeah, because they're sitting that right close next to each other. And it's been like that for, as I said, over 100 years. And so over time, you would think either the circle would grow or shrink or the rain would mix it all up. There's all these things that you feel like would have stopped this from happening.
00:14:06
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And I feel like soil changes over, so. Yes, totally. I don't know. I don't know anything about soil. Yeah, yeah. I don't know anything about soil either, but Rich Hayes does, and he could not figure it out. And you couldn't find it. That's true. A scientist, a soil specialist didn't know.
00:14:23
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a soil specialist. But it's definitely super weird. Another thing that happens in the circle, which is a big one, and they, I think, yeah, there was a YouTube video of this as well, that compasses read slightly wrong in the circle. Oh, I hate that stuff. I know. It's like there's something weird there. It's like it won't point quite north. It won't point quite correctly north. So that's super weird. So one of the theories
00:14:51
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There's a bunch, but one is that there was a big battle in this circle between two Native American tribes and that the battle resulted in so much blood that it seeped into the ground. Yeah, and so the blood basically made it so nothing could grow there. That's one version. That's fascinating.
00:15:14
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Yeah. Another one is that classic aliens landed there. And so that is, you know, the UFO landed right in on that circle. And the radiation or whatever it was killed the soil. Hmm. Maybe I know I'm I'm also kind of believe that I'm as much as I say, like I am more on the skeptic side of things. I do really believe in aliens. Well, thank you, Lauren.
00:15:40
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I think it would just be stupid not to believe in aliens at this point. I totally agree. I want to say two things about that. One, we forgot to say this at the beginning, but part of the reason we're doing this is because Lauren is quite the skeptic, especially when it comes to the paranormal, and I am a believer. We thought it'd be really fun to bring these stories to each other and get each other's thoughts on them because we have typically different perspectives.
00:16:08
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Very true, very true. The second thing is aliens are totally real and more and more information, especially during this pandemic in this last year, has been coming out from the government and news sources being like, yeah, aliens are probably real.
00:16:25
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This is the craziest thing. There is some in the stimulus package that was just signed. So just as with a lot of bills, there is a lot of shit in there that has nothing to do with the stimulus. There's a lot of other stuff that they signed on to agree upon it. One of them is that the Pentagon, within 180 days of signing it, has to release some classified information to Congress about UFOs, basically.
00:16:55
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Isn't that crazy? Yes, we're getting closer and closer every day. Getting closer and closer. And early in the pandemic, they even released like there had been these UFO videos around for a long time. And they basically confirmed that they are UFOs. The government was like, Yeah, and you know, UFO literally means unidentified flying objects. So basically, they were like, Hi, we don't know what these are. We as a government cannot tell you what these are, which is, you know,
00:17:24
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A big thing to say. Yeah, yeah. And even if we don't know what it is, it's still like, why don't we? What is it then? So I think a lot more information is going to be coming out this year. So maybe we'll even talk about it as it does. Yes, I hope we can. That would be so fun. Yeah, it's so exciting. I'm so thrilled to be alive at this time. Yeah, what was I even talking about? Oh, yeah.
00:17:48
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Yes, one of the theories is alien interference. Alien interference of some kind. Okay, another one is that it is, it's the classic Stephen King one, that it's a sacred burial ground of some sort, sure. But my favorite theory, and I will say the least likely, is that it is an anchor of a vortex for time travel.
00:18:12
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Which sounds like a great movie. I don't really believe that one. It sounds really fun that that is just like an area where like you can go in time travel from. Anchor of a vortex for time travel? That's what they said on the internet. That's what they told me.
00:18:30
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I like it. Yeah. And so what I will also mention to you that is coming in the next episode is that after we did our first record of this, I actually found out that my brother spent a lot of time in the Devil's Tramping Ground because he's spent a lot more time living in North Carolina than I have, which was totally wild. And so I'm even more connected to this place than I thought I was. I love it. I mean, you definitely have to go back and visit then.
00:18:58
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I absolutely want to. Next time, I told my brother, next time I'm in North Carolina, he's going to take me there so I can check it out. But it's so important to find it. And I'll leave you with one last quote. And this is from an article in the, let's see, it's by John William Harden. He is from Greensboro, North Carolina. And
00:19:23
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He said this, okay. He said in an article that Chatham, wait, Chatham? Now, I forgot to say it. Chatham. I think Chatham. No, Chatham. Okay. Here we go. Natives of this area say,
00:19:42
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that the devil goes there to walk in circles as he thinks up new meanings of causing trouble for humanity. There, sometimes during the dark of night, the majesty of the underworld of evil silently tramps around that bare circle, thinking, plotting, and planning against good in behalf of wrong.
00:20:07
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But that is it. That is the devil's trimming ground in North Carolina. Overall, coolest thing about it is that no one can figure out why this perfect circle of dirt cannot grow anything and hasn't for over 100 years. Very like Bermuda triangle sort of like, I don't know. I don't know what else is like that, I guess. That's just like a natural occurrence, but nobody knows why.
00:20:30
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It's like very, I don't know, environmental in a way that's freaky. Yeah, it's super weird, but very, very cool. And that's my story, the first one, the first one for the new Sinister Sisters. Also just Devil's Tramping Ground, it's just such a good, I mean, is there a band? Oh, there is a folk song based on the Devil's Tramping Ground. I'll have to find it, but I'll put it on the Instagram or something.
00:21:00
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I would say that'll be the Instagram story. We'll just have it playing. Yeah, playing in the background, absolutely. But yeah, there is a lot of people in the area that believe that something mystical is going on there. And there's a lot of teenagers that just go drink beers and throw bonfire parties there. So, unclear.
00:21:18
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That's incredible. I love that.
The Woman in Black Folklore
00:21:21
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Okay, well, I'm taking us a very different direction. I'm ready. And doing a ghost story. A spooky skinny. A spooky story. So this is The Woman in Black. And not to be confused with the Daniel Radcliffe movie or the novel that that's based on, which is set in the UK.
00:21:39
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But I think it's sort of similar, my feeling is that it's sort of similar to like the Slenderman or like the Lady of the Lake in each city where it's like everybody kind of has like an urban legend. Yeah, their version of this or like, you know, that like the Hitchhiker ghost I feel like comes, you know, back up a lot, things like that. But this, the one that I'm talking about is in
00:22:04
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Appalachian folklore. I'm from Roanoke, Virginia, and you'll see she shows up there. So that's how I came upon this. And I'd never heard of her or of these stories, so I thought it was super interesting. But basically she appeared in various regions throughout Southern and kind of Western. We'll get there's like a random Nebraska account.
00:22:30
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Yeah. In the United States. And this was in the early to mid 1900s, which I love the idea that, I don't know, I think it's so funny. We don't have any ghosts of millennials yet or people from the 80s. I'm ready for them. They're sassy, they're in a bad mood.
00:22:51
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like from like 1800s or 1900s ghosts. Like there's no like 1970 ghost. Yeah, that's such a good point. Where are the millenniums? Maybe that'll be one of my ones in the future. I'm gonna look up like maybe you're gonna be a ghost. I hope so. Tomorrow. Just kidding. But anyway, according to legend, this is the part that I love. She typically appeared to men who had misbehaved.
00:23:17
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like men cheating on their wives, men staying out too late. Some even say that she only appeared to married men as they were like out doing bad things. But anyway, I like that idea. I love that. She was described to be strikingly beautiful with dancing eyes
00:23:37
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Um, and some people say that she had a black turban that hid most of her face. So I guess that sort of woman in black thing, no idea how you can be beautiful. And also, you know, people not really know what your face looks like, but I love it. She had a beautiful energy. Um, she was known to be violent, which is scary. So she would sometimes hit people, sometimes knocking people to the ground.
00:24:04
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maybe as retribution for their bad behavior of these men. So there are a couple of counts as I said. One of them is she appeared suddenly and unexpectedly in Roanoke, Virginia in 1902 to some men that were staying too long out at a club. And supposedly this part I think is interesting as well that her time in Roanoke was only a few days.
00:24:31
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And then there are accounts of her being in Bristol, Tayswell, Lynchburg, and Richmond, Virginia, which are all sort of neighboring cities.
00:24:39
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So it's like, I don't know. I'm sure there are a million, but I don't know a ton of stories of ghosts sort of traveling like that. Yeah. I feel like most of the time they're like in a house or in a specific location. They're stuck in one area where they died or whatever it is. Exactly. So I'm a little curious, obviously, from my realistic point of view, that perhaps it was a real woman, which I also like. I just hated Ben. It was going around slapping him.
00:25:08
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Just slap it, I'm saying, go home. That's what Felicia and I will now do. I'm ready. I've been waiting for this moment. I feel like, yeah, as we talk about, I would love to be an aggressive PTA mom, so it feels almost the same. I'll be your vice president. Yes, exactly. But another specific account of her was that she appeared to four men of the Disciples of Christ Church.
00:25:37
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And she apparently, this was in Taysville, Virginia, and she apparently scared them so badly that they all ran home. Which also I'm like, what were they doing at the church? That was so bad.
00:25:48
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What does she do that scared them so badly? I don't know. We'll never know. She just appeared and they were like, a woman! A woman! They were like, we were just with men. Anyway, the random Nebraska account. So this was just like also listed on the Woman in Black Wikipedia page. And I felt like it was important to include even though it was in Nebraska. But in March 1902, it was claimed that H.S. Weatherald
00:26:18
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editor of the Alma Journal, Frank Grigsby, the area's leading carriage dealer, and Ashton C. Schallenberger, who was the then Congressman of Nebraska's 5th District. And that's a lot of names. And I wish we had names like that now. But anyway, she apparently spooked all of them in Alma, Nebraska as well.
00:26:40
Speaker
Wow. So anyway, she's been around the block. Maybe that was a different ghost. That's kind of a different ghost. Feels too far. It feels too far. Yeah. But her alleged appearances in the sort of Roanoke area that I was talking about before did kind of have an effect on the men at that time, too. Men spent less time out late, came home earlier to their wives and families. So I think that is kind of cool, too, that she actually had an effect. Oh my god, yeah.
00:27:10
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right what if it was just all the women making like a little packed one night a week everyone has a turn go scare some men get them home.
00:27:19
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she just shows up in all black with like a fog machine. I don't know what you did in the 1900s. We should try that too. But anyway, the real story that I want to just read because it was in the Roanoke Times, which is still the local newspaper in my hometown. So I love that like it existed then and you know,
00:27:42
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continues to run now, but I can't really imagine this being in it nowadays. But anyway, I'm just gonna read it because I'll just quote it. So the most recent instance is that of a prominent merchant of the city who on the night after payday, having been detained at his store until after midnight, was making his way home, buried in mental abstractions, when at his side, the woman in black suddenly appeared, calling him by his name.
00:28:10
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The woman was only a couple feet behind him, and he naturally increased his pace. Faster and faster he walked. But in spite of his efforts, the woman gained on him until with the greatest of ease and without any apparent effort, she kept alongside of him. Where do you turn off? she asked of him. He replied in a hoarse voice, 12th Avenue. Ere he was aware she had hand upon his shoulder. He tried to shake it off but without success.
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You are not the first married man I have seen to his home this night. She spoke in a low and musical voice. Reaching the front gate, he made certain she would leave him, but into the yard she went. This was a little more than he bargained for. The merchant admits that he was a nervy man, but that in spite of his efforts, he could not help being at least a little frightened. Twas the suddenness of the thing is the way he expressed it. When the man finally reached his front door, he turned around and the woman was gone.
00:29:06
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Spooky, spooky. And that was just like reported on basically with that scary story to be like this happened. Wow, that's crazy. Just in the Roanoke times they were like, hey, new sighting of the woman in black. Spooky. But I wish, I wish there were so-go stories. Maybe there are. Maybe it ran around Halloween time. We don't know.
00:29:27
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But anyway, the cool thing is that she doesn't really have a backstory. Nobody's fleshed that out. I mean, some say that maybe she's the spirit of a wronged wife coming back to make sure that the married men fall in line and their wives don't experience what she did.
00:29:48
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Totally. Wrath of a scorned woman classic. Exactly. That's our favorite. Our favorite kinds of ghosts. But another quote from this Roanoke Times article was, her name was on every lip. Strong men trembled when her name was spoken. Children cried and clung to their mother's dresses. Terror reigned supreme.
00:30:07
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So just the best. But she, yes, as I said, nobody really has a backstory about her, which I think is is also fascinating. So she's sort of just this scorned woman presence. But the funny thing that I wanted to mention was that as I was kind of researching this, because there isn't a ton besides that Roanoke Times article and the Wikipedia page, obviously, there's not a ton of this
00:30:32
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specific woman in black in Roanoke, Virginia. But there's also, ironically, another story from 2014 that is a real life woman, not a ghost, but a woman who is dressed in all black and roamed the countryside in Virginia for at least three weeks on highways with a stick and a small bag in these long black robes.
00:30:56
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and supposedly on some sort of like faith or religious journey, but she from all the accounts seems to be maybe just a mentally unstable woman who just like wanted to be left alone and was doing this, but people said she just walking. Wow. Just walking along.
00:31:15
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Walking along in long black robes and like she didn't want to be picked up and some people say she was really nice, some people say she was really rude depending on who spoke to her. So anyway, if you Google woman in black Virginia, you also will come upon that story. Oh, wow. That's wild.
00:31:36
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But anyway, that is two women in black.
Conclusion and Future Excitement
00:31:42
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Yes. But anyway, those are our stories this week. It was really fun to do some research and kind of look into other subjects that we'll be exploring down the line as well.
00:31:55
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Absolutely. I also just want to say one last thing, which is the Daniel Radcliffe, Woman in Black is a great movie. Yes. Maybe not about this, but it's a great movie. Is there a sequel? Probably. I can't remember. I don't think you did it though.
00:32:10
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Yeah. I really, I really liked it too. I thought it was actually, I don't know when I saw it. I thought like kind of when I was getting back into horror, I think, and I really liked it. That's some good spooks. It's very like classic ghost stuff. Yes. It's nice. So classic. So good. Thank you all so much for listening. Yes. Thank you so much. We'll see you next week, but until then, we hope you have some sweet, sweet nightmares. Bye.