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Mason Morgan | Running With Cancer
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In this episode Michelle speaks with Mason Morgan in a truly inspiring conversation. Mason’s resilience in the face of adversity is nothing short of remarkable. Since his diagnosis with a high-grade brain tumor in September 2022, Mason has not only faced his condition with bravery but also channeled his energy into a formidable challenge: running 6 marathons in 7 months and climbing Mount Kilimanjaro to support Macmillan Cancer Support.
Tune in to hear Mason discuss his journey, the challenges he has overcome, and his upcoming fundraising events.
You can follow Mason on Instagram
To sponsor Mason and support his remarkable journey, please go to https://www.runningwithcancer.co.uk for more details and donation options.
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Transcript
Mason's Running Journey
00:00:00
Speaker
Hi, Mason. Thank you so much for joining us today on the UK Run Chat podcast. We're really excited to have you on. Would you just like to introduce yourself and tell our listeners a bit about yourself really and your running background? Sure, of course. I'm Mason, by the way. I started running in, what, let's say 2019, I guess.
00:00:22
Speaker
I fell into it kind of thing. It's cause I was organizing two charity 10K races and the same time and my old CFO, he challenged me to a competition. He went, I bet you can't run faster than me and I'll double my donation if you enter kind of thing and pay for it as an entry. So I had four weeks to train and yeah, I did both. I think I came 27th overall, a thousand people.
00:00:52
Speaker
Wasn't too bad. Then just carried it forward and then started running again in April last year.
00:01:02
Speaker
So that's when I picked it back up. So all that running kind of thing from last year was sandwiched in between treatments as well. So I really only had 10 off weeks each month before a new cycle began. So it was a very tactful and tiring in the body. And it's a couple of ones to get back in the swing of things. But yeah, overall, I kind of like running now.
00:01:28
Speaker
just because it gives you that sense of freedom. I use it as my time to switch off and focus just on me and me in the road, I guess. It's kind of different and difficult because I don't take a phone running. I don't like that at all. I like to switch off. I'm just like taking the surroundings,
Receiving a Tumor Diagnosis
00:01:50
Speaker
I guess. So yeah.
00:01:53
Speaker
Yeah, so take us back to the gap in running because you've had quite a difficult time, haven't you? You were diagnosed with a rare brain tumor. Correct, yeah. So when was that? And do you want to just talk us through?
00:02:08
Speaker
you know, that time, I appreciate it's difficult. No, it's fine. That was in September 2022. So I've got a high grade aggressive cancer brain tumor. So it's just one of them, you play the hand to your dog kind of thing. You get it, it's diagnosed, you have surgery, you do treatment options, they recommend
00:02:32
Speaker
and you just crack on and you try to make the best out of that situation. I was admitted to King's A&E. I rang 111 and they said please go to King's with Miawa. So I went there and then didn't leave there for four weeks at all. So in that period of time
00:02:52
Speaker
I think I was in A&E for like 11 hours or something. And they then took me to a separate room and just went, by the way, here's the news. We're going to meet you. Is there anyone you want to contact? And that was like midnight, I reckon, on a Sunday. So it wasn't ideal. So you're in there and you have a world of like information thrown at you. You don't really know what to do.
00:03:21
Speaker
uh, you don't know where to turn to, uh, what news to really share with people. It's a, it's a bit more difficult to write process. And all of a sudden you're in that, well, let's say in the room, uh, and you have to like process something by yourself.
Family's Reaction and Personal Challenges
00:03:40
Speaker
Uh, so it's a bit more difficult to do. I find.
00:03:44
Speaker
Yeah, that must be really scary to deal with as well. Like how do you deal with that news when it comes? That's quite a lot to take, isn't it? It is, yes. But again, you just, I think it was, I just processed it internally in the space of a day. And then it was my duty, I feel, to like tell others
00:04:06
Speaker
because at the time there was no one around me because now it's one operational so I think it was like 2 to 8 pm so it's very defined what you can do and I think I got the news at like 10 am so it's like the long window to wait and then you didn't really want to tell people by calling them or texting them you wanted it to be face to face I guess so it's a bit more difficult to do that
00:04:35
Speaker
and then have that burden on pointing your shoulders around what you can do who you can reach out to and what you really want to say because at that point you don't really know you only know like the bare details you don't know you haven't done a lot of research or been told a lot of information around the tumor size location what it is and so on you just told
00:05:01
Speaker
what it is and that's quite difficult as a 27-year-old to process by itself. It's a lot to take in. Yeah and how did the people around you react to that because that's quite, it's hard to know how to respond to somebody who tells you that news as well isn't it I guess.
00:05:22
Speaker
Yeah, you expect it to be happening to an older person, I guess. So you don't really expect that news to be thrust upon you at the age of 27, kind of thing. So it's not ideal. I say the people around me were all a bit shell-shopped and heartbroken and didn't know what to say, what to communicate.
00:05:47
Speaker
I guess like the best thing, cause I was, I seemed strong and seemed like about it. I was like comfortable with it. It was easier for them to price it. Like why are you taking this new so lightly? Uh, you're about to do so much major surgery and treatment and options and you're just taking it so lightly. I'm like, it's happened. You just, you just got to deal with it. Yeah. Yeah. So, so you actually had brain surgery just a few days after you were diagnosed, didn't you? Yeah.
00:06:17
Speaker
Yeah, but I think about a week afterwards. Oh, well, actually, yeah, a week from A&E to surgery and then the rest in hospital afterwards. Recovering. I think for like the first two days there after recovery, after surgery, I couldn't really eat. I couldn't sleep. I was constantly vomiting. Yeah, it just wasn't fun.
00:06:48
Speaker
Yeah. So how, how did the recovery go then? How did you deal with that as a person who, you know, you've been active and running then since 2019 and then suddenly you were,
Recovery and Resilience
00:07:00
Speaker
you were just having to take it easy. How was that? I think it was a lot, uh, cause like, let's say day three, uh, I remember this cause I was all in breakfast and then I thought it was making perfect sense.
00:07:17
Speaker
and no words are coming out on, they were like all, she couldn't understand them at all. So she went to point to what you want and then that would be your order kind of thing.
00:07:27
Speaker
And that was very degrading because you decide, oh, I've just been in that effort and obviously nothing came out. So what is wrong with me? And then at those stages, I think for the first five, six days kind of thing, it's very degrading when you were showering because you couldn't shower by yourself. You couldn't walk anywhere by yourself.
00:07:51
Speaker
You couldn't really speak properly. You couldn't understand stuff. You just couldn't process stuff the same. That was going to take a bit more work. So all that, yeah, it wasn't ideal. It wasn't one of them, I guess. So I think...
00:08:15
Speaker
If you have your mum, for example, showering you, help you shower, be a nurse at the age of 27. Yeah, it's not the one. I don't wish that on my worst night. What's that on me? Sorry. Yeah, no, that's tough. So what are you thinking at this point in time? You're obviously feeling frustrated. How are you getting through it all?
00:08:39
Speaker
uh frustrated is like a key word uh frustrated despondent uh didn't really have a place in the world you felt uh you're very dejected or ejected from the world and the situation that was there that lost upon you uh
00:08:57
Speaker
and you just felt like you couldn't do anything right. You couldn't do anything right at all in like this the perspective of your perspective and then others as well. So I guess that was tough to take because you just felt like you couldn't do anything and
00:09:18
Speaker
you kind of wanted to make a change and make a difference. And that was where I got the determination from because I saw myself in the mirror and I didn't like it. So I wanted to change and improve my situation, me and just the way people saw me, I guess. Yeah. So you were starting to think then during recovery about how you might like to
00:09:46
Speaker
to kind of do things moving forward with you, because you've got some big challenges this year, haven't you? I have, yeah. I'll come and start in two seconds there. I think that determination side, I just like wanted to make a change and like make a personal impact, I guess, on improvement. So it was like minimals, like walking,
00:10:10
Speaker
so and so being on ladydude uh making a piece of toast or a cup of tea it was like basic tasks but i felt like doing them solo was massive and then i thought once i'd done them i was like okay let's do something else so for the past year i guess yeah yeah i had the idea of really
00:10:36
Speaker
doing the challenges. I call them my challenges kind of thing. So that can form a 10k race, a 5k race, a half marathon, a marathon, climbing a mountain kind of thing. They don't seem that big to me. I just want to make a difference for
00:10:56
Speaker
other people and be a voice for other young people as well. Not just young people but all patients but especially young because from my experience and my experience of being in the hospital
00:11:09
Speaker
There's not a lot of young people around that. So when people see someone, it's usually older illness and they didn't have that aspect. And that's kind of challenging for them to accept, to process and really have that confidence of doing things again.
00:11:29
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean, how are you hoping to make a difference for young people then who are diagnosed with cancer? What are you hoping to achieve? What changes would you like to
Raising Awareness and Marathon Training
00:11:40
Speaker
see? I think as a whole, I think if brain tumors get about 1% of fondant and they're very in the shadow around what they do. So hopefully, fingers crossed, I can make an impact on that and bring that more mainstream.
00:11:58
Speaker
not reduce the stigma associated, reduce the taboo around them and make them more common. Because at the moment, people don't really know about them. It's a bit of a mystery around them. So I wanted to make them a bit more mainstream, a bit more current, so people can easily talk about them. I also want to increase the data that's available.
00:12:25
Speaker
this is quite blunt but people have to because it's a brain you can't really operate uh you can't really move it so someone has to unfortunately pass away for a research to happen uh and i get that i understand that uh but any trial any uh machine everything any test i'm all for it kind of thing uh i just hope that one day there is a cure available and people can benefit from that for
00:12:56
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So while you're on the podcast, then, and we've got an audience here, just, just tell us a little bit about brain tumors, because I don't know a lot about them then. So let's, let's start raising awareness here and just tell us a little bit about what you know so far. They come in like four main forms. So you can have a grade one, grade two, grade three, grade four. A grade one and grade two are low-grade and a grade three and a four are high-grade. And the,
00:13:24
Speaker
High grade ones that tend to be more malignant and cancerous kind of thing. And they are fast growing and really impact a range of things you can do kind of thing. Whereas a low grow runs are more manageable. You can then live a healthy lifestyle around them. They're just there. So once you've done the treatment that's recommended for you, that's fine. You can carry on as normal.
00:13:54
Speaker
So when you got high grade on, it's a bit more taxing on your body, a bit more tiring because the range of treatment you require is more intense kind of thing. Uh, so that's why more taxing. Uh, so that's why when I did chemo, uh, last year, so I finished ended gen this year. Uh, so I'd had two and a half weeks between cycles to really train for a run.
00:14:23
Speaker
Uh, I'll go running and to those first runs for a bit. Oh, a bit lethargic. I didn't really feel like it. Uh, it wasn't ideal, but you, you kind of just deal with it. Uh, and then after those two, you feel back to normal. You feel like a normal person, but you're not. Uh, so it's, it's really one of them. Uh, you just try to be positive as you can. I'm very optimistic. I find.
00:14:53
Speaker
Yeah. So, I mean, what are the symptoms of a brain tumor that have affected you then? Your memory, your speech, the way you walk, running, that's walking, running, walking. The way your mannerisms, your nature, your
00:15:16
Speaker
the way you really process stuff as well. That's like major things. There are like a range of different symptoms, I guess, but they're like the key ones that I find that really impacted me. At the start, throughout, continue to, but you try to like look past it, I find. You try to like live a different lifestyle, but the same one you lived previously. It's just one of them.
00:15:46
Speaker
Yeah okay so I mean you're obviously you're feeling more recovered now from all that surgery and the chemo and you've just completed London Marathon this weekend haven't you? I have yeah. So tell us about that. London Marathon is like a race like Noah's I guess.
00:16:09
Speaker
It's really humbling to be able to do it and represent a good charity such as Millon whilst doing it. So I spent about a year training. Again, the majority of that time was sandwiched between treatments and how to turn off weights.
00:16:28
Speaker
And then stop. Well, finished chemo. Didn't really stop. End of jam this year. So I had about two, three months of no interruptions. Just go for it. Kind of thing. That is your training. No interruptions at all. So yeah, I kind of like told myself,
00:16:47
Speaker
Let's like sit down and devise a whole strategy around race day, what you want to achieve, what you want to do. What's going to be an average pace? What's the backup pace? So if you can't get that average pace, you have one at the back of your mind. When are you going to refuel correctly? When are you going to take stuff on board? Do you have any
00:17:10
Speaker
water or do you want to grab some water at one of the stations? It seems very minimal and insignificant, but it's a major kind of thing. Because you won't put it in your body for health for no reason, I guess. So I think I've managed it in three hours to 28. Yeah, that's fantastic. So I'm just glad and happy that the hard work and the hard work and training, so if that's the
00:17:40
Speaker
Some runs in the cold were like minus 10. Uh, so it wasn't the best. Uh, I was frozen when I got home. Yeah. Uh, and then some runs were in 25 degree heat. Uh, again, they each have different problems. Yeah. One's too hot. One's too cold. Uh, but you need to find like a balance to find. Uh, but overall, I think I enjoyed the day a lot more than a let on. Uh, if that's from.
00:18:10
Speaker
atmosphere of the crowd and really like pushing yourself and making them proud because they've made the effort to really come out for you and come out and support you and really shout your name in the street. A lot of time I'm just really focused on
00:18:30
Speaker
me in the road and what's in front of me and don't we take that in uh so sorry but i ever do that uh yeah just find it the best way i can really like do stuff and keep running otherwise it might stop did you take in some of the atmosphere though because london is wonderful isn't it for its supports did you enjoy a bit of it
00:18:54
Speaker
Uh, yes, I've got bone conductors, headphones. So they sit on your ears and don't really take cover. And so they don't really cover your eyes up. So you take everything in around you. Uh, so you hear everyone shouting stuff. You hear the music, you hear the atmosphere. Uh, it's really nice, but also because of the bone conductors, because of what's going on around you.
00:19:24
Speaker
You don't want to be swayed and like, Oh God, what's going on here? Yeah. You just want to continue and like stick to your plan, I guess.
00:19:32
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it's a loud race. Did you have your name on your vest as well with people cheering? No, I don't. There's like one reason behind that because I do so many different races and so many different challenges. I wash a lot of my tops kind of thing. So they tend to like start peeling off and peeling away when you wash them over time. So instead I just like
00:19:58
Speaker
go for it and
Expanding Challenges: Six Marathons and Kilimanjaro
00:20:00
Speaker
just like have the top have the bib and just run yeah so i don't mind when someone calls out something because half the time you don't know about you or someone else uh so you can just like move on yeah um so what else have you got coming up then you've got a marathon is it next you've got another marathon next week is that right
00:20:21
Speaker
Next Sunday, yeah. So fly on next Thursday, Friday time. That's Prague. So I have another six marathons in this space of six months. Yeah. And then in December, I've climbed in Mount Kilimjaro. Wow. As well as that's my final thing. Yeah. Yeah. So what marathons have you got coming up then? There is coming up upcoming Prague, Stockholm, Budapest, Oslo,
00:20:50
Speaker
another European one and potentially New York. If I don't do New York and there's some issue around it kind of thing, I'll talk about for Frankfurt, Palermo for Florence. So we're just waiting to see what works because a lot of them are
00:21:11
Speaker
date constrained or date restrained. So you have to find them at work in said date. In hindsight, Prague to London two weeks wasn't the greatest of ideas. Yeah, that's hindsight there for you, it's a wonderful thing. Yeah, so if you've got a bit more of a break between Prague and the next one then.
00:21:35
Speaker
three weeks, I think. So yeah, I think stock ends like three weeks. Again, that one week extra might be beneficial. We get to see. Yeah. Okay. So you've chosen those races just because they're nicely spaced apart in, you know, so that you've got a bit of time in between each one. What does your training look like in between each marathon and what are you doing to keep yourself going?
00:22:00
Speaker
So training for me, depending on which math it is and which race, I try and get out like five times a week and that'd be like an easy run, an easy run. So some of that doesn't require me thinking a lot, using up a lot of energy kind of thing. Then I'll do a speed workout on a Tuesday kind of thing. So really being, training my body to be comfortable at, I'm comfortable.
00:22:29
Speaker
That's the idea. Wednesday I try and do a track session and then the weekend I'll go for an easy run and I'll normally run the door. So it seemed like a lot but you have to make that sacrifice sometimes around what you want to do. So you have to find the balance around being social and your training and try and work that out and try and work for you.
00:22:57
Speaker
I'll try and find out what works for you, sorry. That can be hard, but I find it works okay. You just have to like commit to both options, I guess. Yeah. So have you set yourself kind of time goals for these marathons or are these all purely just to raise money for charity? Have you got an idea in mind of how you'd like to improve over them or?
00:23:25
Speaker
Um, no time to improve. Uh, I was really delighted over the moon with Sunday's London math and results. Um, thank you. Uh, I think like I was aiming for free 45 in like all of them or free 30. Uh,
00:23:46
Speaker
But I think from Prague we might see closer to time. I'd just see if my legs are like, they want to do that speed or we might alter it slightly and go an easier speed, I guess. Yeah, we'll just see. But the idea is just to...
00:24:03
Speaker
good, do a good effort, I guess, and trying to try to make people proud. I guess, uh, it doesn't matter what the time is about completing it. Uh, cause one marathon is enough for someone's lifetime. I didn't seven and six months. Uh, yeah, it's not, uh, not one of them, not to turn around lightly or just lightly.
00:24:26
Speaker
No, well, yeah, it's certainly a fantastic challenge and what an experience it will be running in all those different places. Have you got a good support team around you to travel with you? I have, yes. I've got a good support team, but for most of the marathons, I'm literally going there by myself. I'm flying there, pick up the bib, race, fly home next day. Because I'm not really
00:24:51
Speaker
I'm kind of a humble down to a person and that's the way I want to do stuff. I don't make a big deal out of stuff. It's just, I'm just going there and flying back. And then obviously I wear different vests for the marathon, the races and try to highlight them that way, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us a little bit about your fundraising efforts then. So who, who are you raising money for?
00:25:20
Speaker
So I'm doing a joint fundraising effort for Milan cancer support and guys cancer charity. So I was a patient at guys. So that's where I had all my treatment options. And then I'm here for counseling for.
00:25:40
Speaker
physio at different things. And I was there for like occupational therapy as well. So it's my way of trying to pay back, I guess. And then Milham, when I was first in hospital, when I went for this morning walks, there wasn't a lot of things I could see. And the only things I saw were movement and booklets or posters. So I started reading them because a young person with cancer,
00:26:07
Speaker
there wasn't a lot of people around you you could talk to. And nurses didn't really know how to really treat you, I guess, or that you're young while you're here. So it was kind of nice just seeing them and feeling like you're not alone, I guess. So I think over so far, I think I've raised over 30,000 pound
00:26:35
Speaker
uh for charity uh and that's a combination of uh my work making the donation and doing that uh charity campaign and then my activity i guess uh my activity on my farm reason uh so it's a combination of both uh so i'm over the moon delighted so far uh i hope that increases uh over time uh but we'll see
00:27:02
Speaker
Yeah, that's absolutely fantastic. Well, we'll get you to share your fundraising pages at the end as well and we'll share it in the show notes of this and then hopefully you can get a few more donations. So yeah, I do need to ask about Mount Kilimanjaro because that is a huge challenge. Tell me about that. What's prompted the decision to go and do that?
00:27:21
Speaker
I don't really know. I just like plopped it and just stuck with it. And yeah, it wasn't somewhere I always wanted to go or do or take on. I just planned around it. I was like, I'm doing this marathon. I'm doing this marathon. Why not truck in a mountain in there? At the end, it seems very light work.
00:27:45
Speaker
Yeah, don't know why, just thought it was a good idea. In hindsight, not great. It's same with the marathons, space to give up. In hindsight, not great idea, but I'm gonna do them anyway. Gonna persevere and see what we can do. But I'm taking like the longer way up. So it's less taxing and tiring on your body. You get to climb our tides more and it's easier on your brain as well.
00:28:13
Speaker
rather than doing like the free day trek where it's very steep incline. Uh, so fingers crossed for that one. I think it's like four days incline, three days descent or something. Oh, I see. You're up there quite a long time then. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you go around, uh, the mountain range.
00:28:32
Speaker
And then really slowly or widely or wider. And I feel like that's okay. That's going to be okay to do and like train for, because I'm not really training for it. I just hope the many marathons put me in a good stead for it. That is my aim. There's not much training happening and I won't do much training because I don't really have the time.
00:28:58
Speaker
no yeah you'll definitely have the endurance there won't you the base fitness so we hope yeah i'm more worried about your legs with the climbing so have you got some hills planned in uh no no uh we haven't yet so we'll see how that works i think like the steepest bit of where i live uh it's it's steep but it's not anywhere near like a mountain no uh so i need to find some which
00:29:27
Speaker
is suitable I guess and then just try and practice on there yeah and I'm trying to see that around November time yeah uh because it's closer to the actual climb and uh yeah I think I won't have any marathons after like mid-November so I have a bit more time to do stuff uh so we're sick
00:29:51
Speaker
Yeah. And then what's, what's next then? So how do you top all those marathons and climb in Mount Kilimanjaro? Have you got any ideas for the future of running and adventure? I'd love to say yes, but I'm going to relax on a beach. I don't blame you. My idea is like once I've done Kilimanjaro, I go down to Zanzibar.
00:30:14
Speaker
and then chill there for like a week or two. And it's like, cause I've just like put my body through eight months of really rigorous activity, just a switcher from relax and just like have it me time, I guess. And then who knows what we'll do next year. Yeah, I'm not gonna be like Ross Cook and do the length of Africa. Yeah, no, that's just not in my,
00:30:43
Speaker
Capability, yes. So, don't know yet. Play it by here. Yeah, I guess you need to see how you feel,
Advice and Hope for Others
00:30:50
Speaker
don't you, after all that? So, I mean, do you think your diagnosis has changed your relationship with running? Do you think you feel differently about it now? I would say yes. Just because I don't do... I don't really... It's tough.
00:31:10
Speaker
It's full. I do run in because of longevity reasons. Yeah. Uh, I want to give myself the best shot possible and fitness exercise provides that kind of thing. Uh, so it's one of them. Uh, it's, it's very difficult to like put into words sometimes because you might think as a young person, you're going for this run, you're doing this, but I can't play a range of sports. I used to play, uh, but running, I can do so.
00:31:39
Speaker
It's only like me in the road and me in the pavement. It's my body so the only person I can blame if I'm like unfit or inadequate is me.
00:31:53
Speaker
Yeah it's one of them but I do it for like trying to raise awareness, trying to be a better person, trying to impact people and just to help others I guess. What advice would you give to somebody who's going through a similar experience to you, so be it they've recently been diagnosed with cancer or another illness, how do they keep moving forward, how do they stay positive, if you've got any words for them?
00:32:19
Speaker
Yeah I think it's like try and be as positive as you can because it's quite tough to take on board and it's quite tough to like take on that news and different levels of treatment might be like oh my god they might be quite taxing and tiring so you might be quite desponded around what you do what you can do but it's important to think whilst you whilst you are there
00:32:46
Speaker
while you are doing this. So I think try and be positive and try and look at the positive side of it. So try and spin it. So try and eliminate anything negative from your life, your mind, kind of thing, and just think of the positives because then it's so much easier to do stuff. And once you've got that locked in, let's say, you can do something more because your mind is a lot stronger than your letter.
00:33:14
Speaker
Yeah, it really is and I think you're proving that with all your marathons and your challenges that you can, we are capable of a lot more than we think, aren't we? Yeah, your mind gives up before your body. So if you've got a strong mind and a positive outlook on mindset, it's easier to do yourself and you can get more done, I find. Yeah.
00:33:37
Speaker
So it's been wonderful chatting to you today, Mason. Is there any final thoughts you would like to leave with us? And then I'll get you to share your fundraising page and see if we can get some more funds for you. Just one thing, I just hope that from my experience and my story and the way I share and do stuff,
00:33:55
Speaker
It benefits other people. I never got a very fine art time around what I do and what I can do. So I won't do a thing in a short window. So if there's any people that I help or help achieve stuff or help do, I can take that as a win and I can be happy around what I've done, what I've achieved and what I've really set out to do.
00:34:22
Speaker
Yeah, perfect. So where can people donate to your fundraising page? Uh, I don't know. Uh, if you Google Mason Morgan, uh, I probably come up, I do come up with like the result after the home and away go. Uh, yeah, you can also go on www.runnywithcancer.co.uk and you can find it on that. Yeah. Uh, it's sign posted pretty four times on that. Uh, so that's another option for you.
00:34:51
Speaker
fantastic and we will share a link to it in our show notes as well if anybody wants to have a look and you can I'm sure you're updating on your fundraising pages about all your challenges as well. We can keep up to date there. Yeah. So wish you all the very best with your upcoming marathons and your Mount Kilimanjaro challenge. That sounds wonderful. So thank you once again. I hope you've all enjoyed listening to this episode. Thank you.