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089 - The Importance of Processing a Goal Against
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This week Connor flies solo again to discuss a post made on a goalie parents group talking about a goalie who lost control of their emotions after a handful of goals going in. This sparked the discussion of if we as goalies need to do a better job of processing goals against.
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Introduction and Holiday Greetings
00:00:06
Speaker
Welcome to the DIY Goalie Podcast, where hosts and goalie coaches Nathan Park and Connor Munday share their insights on how to become a better goalie.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hey, goalies. Welcome back to the DIY Goalie Podcast presented by True North Goaltending. How we doing? Nice to see everyone. ah I have my daughter with me here today. If you are watching on the YouTube side of things, Merry Christmas, goalies. Happy holidays.
00:00:36
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Hopefully everybody is enjoying some nice nice time away from the rink, spending time with friends, family, whoever, to other goalies.
Nathan's Absence and Business Growth
00:00:46
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uh anything along those lines uh i always enjoy this time of year not only just for all the christmas activities that happen but also you know just you know just to see family that i don't get to see very often uh anymore we flew in my brother from bc a couple days ago flew in my uh my grandfather from uh um from ontario last night and so that's kind of everybody that we have under the household right now so there's like seven of us here and so
00:01:15
Speaker
Emerson has decided to make her reappearance on the pod. So she will provide her insight as she sees fit. um And, and, and yeah, so Nathan, ah not on assignment today. He is taking a well-deserved break. Although that guy's been, that guy's been taking a lot of breaks here lately. So I don't know. I don't know. don't even know if he actually does anything anymore. He says that he does, but you know, i I, I don't know if I believe that
Virtual and In-Person Goalie Training
00:01:44
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sometimes. um but in all seriousness though nathan has been he's been doing a lot and taking on a lot really trying to uh to to grow the business and such and so we do appreciate all of the hard work that he puts in to the to true north co-attending uh while i just maintain or why while i just manage our uh our little podcast here so um Nathan and I, unfortunately, weren't able to make the time work today. So we are just, ah we are just, I am just running a solo today. Emerson's going to help me out and you know, we'll, we'll go at it from there. um
00:02:20
Speaker
I did just want to deal with a couple of ah housekeeping things before we get going. ah We did announce in the last episode that we are, that we have now released our virtual ah goalie training um to be provided to everyone. So if you, are looking for goalie training and you're not from the edmonton area we do have that option available now so it is just a video call you know where we can uh um virtually be on the ice or in your backyard or in your basement and working on some goalie coaching with you there just kind of touching on um just some stuff there um so we do have a form that can be filled out if you are interested in participating in that it is a uh it is a soft launch soft launch right now as we are still um you know working out the bugs and and all that uh all that fun stuff and um
00:03:12
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And yeah, so if you are interested in that, you guys can go check that out in the show notes there. We're very excited to um to get that going. I know nathan's been Nathan's been excited about He's been talking about it. And, yeah, so it's been it's been awesome it's been awesome to see. But if you are in the Edmonton area and or if you're traveling up to the Edmonton area and you want to ah you want to come hang out with myself, the baby might be there as well, false advertising. and You guys can go check us out, true-northgoaltending.com, and book a one-on-one, two-on-one, three-on-one session with us. and go at it from there. I haven't been at the facility very much this year.
00:03:49
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um i was there last Friday. It was part of a birthday present, actually, that ah that um that our that this goalie's wife had bought
Mental Challenges Faced by Goalies
00:03:57
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for him. So that was that was pretty cool to be part of that. And so happy a birthday again to to that goalie. And, um you know, hopefully ah hopefully we'll see them back. And so that's ah that's very, very exciting. I wanted to jump on here today. I'm going to try and keep it short and sweet, but there was a post that I saw on Facebook here today that I'm going to share the story with here. I'm going to kind of leave out any names that are mentioned, um but I thought that this story that I had seen on Facebook here was actually quite telling. It was very, very inspiring and just kind of um really focuses on just kind of, you know, what a goalie goes through and just kind of what's going on in the mind, least of a young goalie.
00:04:40
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um and such we we've talked about it so much on the pod you know the the mental side of things we brought on pete fry the goalie mindset guy um you know we've talked about we we've talked about that stuff with him as well we've also had a few other goalies you know be on the pod and talk about you know the mental side of things but i thought that this dot yeah exactly i thought that this uh i thought that this story that the goalie or that this person had posted on facebook about goaltending was very very um inspiring very very um just kind of really eye-opening, if you will. So I wanted to i wanted to share that today.
00:05:15
Speaker
So the story goes is that I wanted to sit and admire this goalie tonight as they've been carrying the weight of the game of it on his shoulders. The mental side is one that no one talks about a whole lot as goalies are taught to forget, but forgetting is a skill that no one masters, so they compartmentalize, shrinks his world to the next shot, the next breath, tells himself that every save is new and that every and that every mistake is already over,
00:05:40
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even as his body remembers what his mouth won't say. and So that part in itself to me it was such a strong kind of sentence there because, you know, it's it's true. You know, we tell our goalies, you know, to try and be a goldfish and don't try and forget about that last shot or that last goal and, you know, move on to the next. And as much as we try to do that, that never really happens.
00:06:07
Speaker
excuse me, that never really comes to fruition. And so um I thought it was, i thought i thought i thought that was very, very um kind of telling and inspiring, if you will, because it's, again, like i said, like not really something that, you know, it's you know forgetting is not never really a skill that, you know, can be mastered, you know, but we can do everything that we can to try and, um you know,
00:06:35
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put it aside, if you will. So the, the compartmentalizing, I think is something that, um, you know, really something that, again, i I don't think really gets talked about, talked about a whole lot or something that we don't really think about, you know, cause if we don't talk about it or if we don't try and,
00:06:52
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For lack a better term, process, you know, what happened on that last goal or what happened on that last shot, you know, then it gets compartmentalized. It gets bottled up. And then now was there's potential, you know, for, um you know, emotions to get higher and, you know, for from for more mistakes we made. Yeah.
00:07:15
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But playing the position that we do and how fast the game of hockey is, there's not really much time, if at all, to to really um process what happened. you know It's like...
00:07:30
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we we We missed the puck on the glove side. Okay, goal went in. so now we have to think so now we have to focus on the next shot. But everybody else that's on the ice, the coaches, the players, the fans, you know they haven't forgotten about it. They're not going to forget about it. It's it's going to be, oh, that was a bad goal that that goalie let up.
00:07:48
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We've seen, yeah exactly. we've seen similar um We've seen similar instances you know here in Edmonton you know with Stuart Skinner. I know I said I wasn't going to talk about him very much anymore, but again, I think just with this in particular, um you know...
00:08:07
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You know, we've we've seen it firsthand here with Stuart Skinner. you know, mean, the Oilers fans are or horrible sometimes. But, you know, just we wanted to we want to you know, try and, um are you know, this the they were just hounding on and a Last go, last go. You know, Stuart can't save a beach ball, blah, blah, blah. And obviously that outside noise did end up making its way into locker room thanks to Mark Spector.
00:08:31
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But, you know, it's, you know, I don't think Oilers fans really understood kind of how detrimental that can be sometimes. Yeah, we want to blame the goalie. Yeah, we want to really emphasize or focus on how bad that last goal or how bad that last save was or how bad the goalie played.
00:08:54
Speaker
You know, there wasn't, um you know, it we as goalies, you know, try to, you know, not let that affect us. And, you know and ah eventually if there's enough noise that, you know, is created, it it will be.
00:09:08
Speaker
And um so we just we just try not to let that happen. We try not to, you know, we try to forget about it, but obviously we don't, if that makes sense. um So the story continues here. It says, today, the goalie bends forward on the boards as yeah as if as if he's listening for something on the other side of the glass.
00:09:26
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The ring comes behind them The skates are scraping the ice. Pucks clacking against the boards, but none of it reaches where he is. This is the space that no one talks about.
00:09:37
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The space between shots. The space inside his head. Being a goalie means standing still while everything moves around you. It means that knowing for everyone else, mistakes blur together, but you, they get freeze-framed.
00:09:52
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And yeah, that's, that, that is, that le I've talked about it already. You know, we, as goalies, you know, try to analyze and, you know, go into detail about every little thing because that's what we're trained to do.
00:10:07
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You know, we're, we're, we're, we as goalie coaches and as goalies ourselves, you know, we've trained ourselves to, you know, Remember every little detail and trying to analyze every little thing, you know, that we do. We try to analyze it and correct it in real time.
00:10:28
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but again that can be and can lead to detrimental mistakes it can lead to getting inside your own head so much that you know it it creates more problems and creates more harm than than than it does any good um so
00:10:53
Speaker
And as the story goes on here, it says, you know, bad passes forgotten. The goal against is yours alone. Your name becomes the sentence. And for the scully yesterday, or I guess the day that it happened or the day after that happened, um destroyed him.
00:11:08
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Absolutely lost his mind. And for this goaltender, it's not him because it's all of that built up pent up, um not anger, but aggression, but all of that kind of built up, um,
00:11:21
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not even nonsense, but just all of that, all of that build mentality because it got bottled because it got of compartmentalized, it exploded, you know, and yeah,
00:11:33
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for this goaltender, it seemed so out of character for them. And I don't blame them. I don't blame them in the slightest. You know, you try not to really try not to let, um you know, emotions and such get the better of us, but, you know, we're all human. It's all going to happen one way or the other. And so we just, you know, we, we, we, we try our best to not let that happen.
00:12:02
Speaker
But it does. And now this is what happens or this is what has happened rather because of that. And so i I don't I don't I don't blame this goalie, you know, for for for for doing that.
00:12:20
Speaker
um So I guess it's just, you know, a matter how do we do that, you know, you can go and see a mental performance coach. You can go see, ah um you know, a not even a psychologist just really, but you can try and work on the mental game as much as you can and try and build up walls and do things that, you know, are going to help, you know, you know to to forget or to...
00:12:44
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um you know Try not to, you know, let these things affect you. But, you know, like i said, like we're all human. It is going to affect you. It is going to get to you one way or the other.
Supporting Goalies Emotionally
00:12:55
Speaker
We've talked about it, you know, before on the pod as well. You know, the best thing for us that we, that for us that we as goalies that we need to realize is that pucks are going to go in Goals are going to happen, you know, and that's kind of, that's kind of the point of the game of hockey basically.
00:13:11
Speaker
But with that being said, we try, obviously, to and try and mitigate it. We try and mitigate the goals against and try and let our trying you know not let them happen. But they're going to happen. It's it's part of hockey. It's part of it's part of playing the game.
00:13:29
Speaker
And so I think the sooner that we realize that on both sides of the table, you know, for goalies and for non-goalies, it's it's going to be better for you. it's going You're going to be better off in the long run, essentially. And so you need to understand the mistakes are going to happen, both on the player's side and and on the goaltending side.
00:13:54
Speaker
You know, we're going to give up. Bad goals are going to give up. You know, it's going it's going it's going to happen. And can it lead to potentially being removed from team in an NHL sense? Or if you are in a league where trades can happen?
00:14:09
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Emerson's got it. You know, they they are they are going to happen. And you know, sometimes a change is needed. And, you know, again, like with the Stuart Skinner thing, um you know, i've I've learned to accept that and, so you know, that the owners needed ah owner needed a change and that so happened to be in goal. And, and you know, is it working out for the owners right now? No, it's not. but You know, because more changes need to happen. But, you know, that's that's that's the point that I'm driving at, essentially. And so...
00:14:39
Speaker
we try not to, we we try to own up to our mistakes and try to own up to, um you know, things that, um you know, we can do, we can do and be better at, but that's not always going to be the case. And so, you know, kind of in this instance here with Emerson sucking on her finger, which is probably coming through the mic, um can do what I can to try and not let that happen. But, you know, she, she's, she's quite content where she is right now. So,
00:15:09
Speaker
um So, yeah. So, um I think, you know, it's important, you know, again, as the story goes, and I'm not going to go through the whole thing, but I think it's important, you know, as you know, for us as...
00:15:26
Speaker
mentors, parents, coaches, whoever, to check in on your goalies, to check in on your goalies and to, um you know, be reassuring to them every once a while. you Because, you know, sometimes, you know, the goalie after the game doesn't really need to hear it from the coach that the game was their fault or, you know, that they should have had that extra save or anything along those lines.
00:15:53
Speaker
the goalie probably already knows that they probably already know that. Yeah. I should have had that last save. I should have had that last, um you know, shot on net and, you know, or yeah, I didn't play that correctly or as, as well as I would have liked to. um i we, we, we already know that, you know, and so sometimes we just need to,
00:16:18
Speaker
I don't want to say internally process it, but sometimes we just need to process that in our own way. And so sometimes the last thing we need is, and, you know, especially with emotions being hyped up and such, especially if you're losing by a significant margin, you know, that, yeah, that's probably the last thing that, that, that needs to happen. So goes for, it goes for parents, goes for coaches, goes for players, you know, whoever, you know,
00:16:42
Speaker
You know, that we we know that already. We know that, um you know, should have had that last goal, should have had that, and you know, wish I had made that last save better.
Team Roles and Season Goals
00:16:53
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That didn't result in a in a potential two-on-one or whatever, you know, whatever whatever that is, you know. um we try not to We try not to think about that, but, you know, it ah it ends up happening either way.
00:17:08
Speaker
um so yeah so just yeah i'll um i don't think i'm not going to post the story in the show notes but you are but if you are part of this um goalie parents facebook group that i'm in um i would definitely go and give it a read because it's uh it's it's it's quite significant it's it's it's a uh it's a um it's it's It's a good read, you know, for both goalies and non-goalies.
00:17:33
Speaker
um I think it's something that, you know, is is is worth looking into. so So, yeah. Right? Right. um Yeah, I don't really have much else to kind of talk about here today. um I think, you know, just as we enter into the new year um and into the to the to the second half of the season, you know, it we're we're in a point now where um you know we need to not only kind of start thinking about next year um but kind of thinking about what we want to get done and just kind of the dynamics of entering into the latter half of the season um the team that i'm with right now and the coach that the coach that i'm working for who i quite like um just talking a bit about you know not necessarily having things set in stone for the first half of the year um goaltending included it's more so just kind of seeing how things are you know letting people jive with other people you know and
00:18:38
Speaker
you know, not necessarily having a Lions 1, 2, and 3, or even like a starting goalie rather. But as as you entered in the second half of the year, and we've already talked about this, um you know, that dynamic can change. Yeah, it can. Emerson's got it already. um that That dynamic can change. And so...
00:19:00
Speaker
we need to understand that what has been going on for the first half of the year um may not be the same for the second half of the year. You know, you may have, maybe you've been getting more starts in the first half of the year and then maybe all of a sudden that switches. Yeah.
00:19:15
Speaker
you know So we need to understand that dynamics are going to change. And you know not only that we just have to accept them, but we just have to understand where our role is on the team because things can things can um things can change.
00:19:31
Speaker
For one of my goalies, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts to get more starts in the latter half of the year because he is a more technically sound goaltender than the guy who has been getting the the amount of starts that he has been getting in the last four games that we've been playing.
00:19:46
Speaker
So just we just need to understand it's that like, I don't think don't try and treat it as a, as a personal thing. Just try and treat it as Kate. This is so my role now has changed.
00:19:57
Speaker
This is why it has changed. And you know, this is the role that I'm, this is the role that I'm going to play essentially. Um, Some coaches may not at all. Some coaches may still continue to to ride the wave.
00:20:12
Speaker
And um that is that that is also totally okay. That's also a thing that you know that can happen as well. So I think just you know as we enter in the second half of the year... and you know Like I said as well, thinking about you know where we want to be next year as well. What is your goal for you know next year? you know so and Is that playing AA? Is that playing AAA? Is that playing juniors? well Excuse me, is that playing juniors? um you know What is...
00:20:40
Speaker
what is the role that we want to have um for the second half? or what what is what is the what is the goal, rather, I should say, that we want to have for the second half of the season?
00:20:51
Speaker
um And just that'll that'll help us to you know get to that next level, wherever that wherever it is that may be. we've talked about
Closing and Listener Engagement
00:20:59
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it in other podcasts as but as well um but yeah so just think think about that as well um you know things and dynamics can change and um yeah just understand that uh sometimes uh sometimes that stuff is going to happen so All right, Emerson's getting a little fussy here, so I think we're going to call it a day here. I'm not sure if there was really any kind of um kind of stuff that maybe that can be taken away from today's pod. um But I think just again, it's it's a nice kind of story that you know that that I read here. And just, yeah, there's something to chew on as well as you guys enter into the latter half of the year here and just kind of thinking about where we want to be
00:21:47
Speaker
beyond beyond this year and just kind of start thinking about where we want to be for next season. so So, yeah, so on behalf of myself and Emerson Monday, as well as Nathan Park, this has been the DIY Goalie Podcast presented by True North Goaltending. Thank you so much for all the love and so, oh, bless you. Thank you so much for all of the love and support that you guys have shown us um in the last 89 episode. This will be episode 89. So I guess in the last 88 episodes that we've had of the podcast, it's been truly awe-inspiring, you know, to, you know, to,
00:22:21
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00:23:13
Speaker
Can I please finish my little outro here before I put you back to bed or whatever it is that we're doing?
00:23:21
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Um, you guys can go check us out. Trinidad goaltending.com. Um, we have a whole bunch of exciting stuff there again. Like I said, at the start of this episode, we do have our virtual training program up and running. So if you guys are interested in that, uh, go check out the show notes of this episode and even last episode, um,
00:23:38
Speaker
we have that, uh, we have that all there. Um, so if you are interested interested in participating in that, uh, if you are in the Edmonton area and you want a book a facility session with us, you can do that right from our website. You can book a facility session with myself, Nathan park, or any of our other fantastic coaches that we do have on staff.
00:23:58
Speaker
um you guys can go check out our shop there as well on true on our website www.truenorthgoaltending.com um lots of you lots of exciting stuff there so if you are looking for a very very last minute christmas present um you you guys can go check that out can't guarantee you that shipping would come in right away but uh um yeah but it is a uh It is an option as well. All right. Emerson has voiced her concerns here, and I think she's telling me that pod the episode is done for today. So, like I said, on behalf of her, myself, and Nathan Park, this has been the DIY Goalie Podcast presented by Trunos Goaltending. Merry Christmas, Goalies. Make some saves. We'll see you guys next time. Take care.