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Ep 1: Jamie Lee Curtis and Jessica Lange
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Welcome our first episode! Today we are talking about horror movie queens Jamie Lee Curtis and Jessica Lange!
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Introduction to Sinister Sisters Podcast
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Speaker
Welcome to the Sinister Sisters Women in Horror Podcast. This is our first episode.
00:00:09
Speaker
I'm Lauren Harris. And I'm Felicia Lobo. We are best friends and we love horror movies. And so we started this podcast to have an excuse to hang out and talk about women in horror. Yeah. So every week we're going to basically choose a different category. So either movies or directors or actors or whatever. And each of us are going to bring in a scary lady to talk about.
00:00:33
Speaker
Great. Yeah. So this week we're doing actresses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're doing some, uh, badass screen queens that do a lot of spooky stuff and we're just going to talk about all the cool stuff they've done.
Jamie Lee Curtis: A Horror Icon's Origins
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Yeah. Do you want to go first? I don't know. We didn't decide. Okay. I'll go first. I'm not afraid. You're not afraid. No, I'm very brave. Okay. So I'm talking about, um, the woman that earned herself the name screen queen.
00:01:03
Speaker
back in the 80s and that is of course Jamie Lee Curtis. I'm just gonna give a little background first. So she was born on November 22nd, 1958 in Santa Monica, California. She was, her parents are both actors. So her dad is Tony Curtis and her mom is Janet Lee.
00:01:27
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And if you don't know Janet Lee, Janet Lee was marrying Crane in Psycho, so another screen queen herself.
00:01:37
Speaker
I'm already going into a story, but I, sorry. There I watched this interview with Janet Lee about the book she wrote about like old Hollywood. And she, the interviewer was like, do you have trouble taking showers because of psycho? And Janet Lee was like, I haven't taken a shower since I filmed that movie. No. And I was like, what? I was like, why are you so scared? But she said, she said she only takes a shower if she absolutely has to. She always takes a bath. Wow.
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And I was like, whoa, that really affected you. Are you okay? And the answer is she's not. She's not okay. But you know, it wasn't that chocolate syrup. Yeah. Like it's not even that scary. Wow. What?
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She's still scarred. She's still scarred. She was still scarred. So Jamie's got some siblings, Kelly Curtis, and she's got some half-siblings all from her father's various marriages. And I think they're all alive except for Nicholas Curtis who died in 1994 of a drug overdose.
00:02:34
Speaker
So that's a bummer But yeah, so her first movie so okay. So first she did some like random Like bit parts and Hollywood Did you do stuff when she was a kid? Not really because when she was a kid her family like she basically was in school her sister and her in school and then Every now and then her parents would like take them out of school and they would go travel and like go to wherever they were filming so they could be together as a family and
00:03:02
Speaker
And so they were like sort of in and out of school, but they had like tutors and whatever. So they, you know, did all that. And then she did go to college for like a second. But then while she was there, I think it was like her tennis coach or something was a, I didn't actually write this part down, but it was like her tennis coach was also like a manager, an agent or something. And yeah, they found out about some,
00:03:31
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part she could be right for, and then she did it, and then she dropped out of college and signed a seven year contract with Universal, which is like what people did back in the day. Yeah, that is always so weird to me that a studio owns you. Yeah, I'm assuming that's not a thing anymore, but I guess I don't really know. I don't think it is. Yeah, I don't think it can be.
00:03:49
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Um, but yeah, so the first like actual movie she was, she did, uh, some like bit parts here and there. And then the first movie she was cast in was Bum-ba-da-bum Halloween, 1978, John Carpenter. Um, and that movie sort of, she wasn't necessarily the first like final girl ever, but she was sort of the first, um, final girl screen, Korean of like the modern horror movies. Um, cause even of course, like her mom could be in that category that she died really early in the movie, but true.
00:04:20
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But yeah, so she did Halloween. She said she really didn't know what she was doing because she didn't have a ton of experience. So crazy. All these people that just did movies and they're like, I don't know what they're doing. But so Deborah Hill, who's also responsible for the first Halloween movie,
00:04:44
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She said that Jamie Lee Curtis just had something very honest and genuine in her. She came in, auditions without any makeup on, and she was just kind of like, oh, who is this? Who's this strong girl?
00:04:57
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And so yeah, so she did it. And she made $8,000. She made $2,000 a week. It's just unreal. It's unreal. And
Jamie Lee Curtis: Resurgence and Beyond
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that's it. Horrifying. No residuals. One of the biggest horror movies of all time and barely made any money off of it. Oh my gosh. Like, obviously she's fine because she's Jamie Lee Curtis. But she also didn't take money from her parents. She said she was basically supporting herself from the time she was 18. But I'm shocked that her mom didn't
00:05:27
Speaker
help her negotiate a contract. But at the time, John Carpenter's Halloween was like basically an indie film. Right. Low budget. It was very low budget. I mean, it wasn't indie, I guess, but it was like, yeah, like no one really cared about it. Right. It was just sort of like a way to get experience. Oh my gosh, you know what she made on the her most recent Halloween movie?
00:05:46
Speaker
No, but I'm sure it's a bajillion dollars. Yeah, it would be interesting to know. Yeah. Yeah. What the difference is. What the difference is. Hopefully a lot. She deserves it. Um, but yeah, so then, so that was 1978 and then 1979 she didn't really do anything and John Carpenter felt bad. And so he wrote her another part in the fog in 1980.
00:06:08
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And then in 1980, she did The Fog, Prom Night, and Terror Train. So three horror movies where she's basically playing a pretty similar character every time. Not the same, but, you know, same types of movies. Three in one year, which is like crazy. And then in 1981, she did Halloween II.
00:06:26
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She did another movie that year called Road Gains. And then I think the first, of course I didn't write it down again, but I think the first movie she did that wasn't horror was like Trading Places. Is that right? I should probably have looked it up. Trading Places is something. I just know the TLC show. Oh, not that one. It's just a great show.
00:06:52
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But yeah, she was, even though she had gotten this title Scream Queen and had gotten her jobs, she knew that, and she said her mother also talked to her about this because she'd been around Hollywood and she sort of knows. But she was like, if you don't try something else now, you will never get cast in anything but horror movies. And so she tried to start doing some other stuff. And she's also like funny. And so she started doing some comedic parts.
00:07:17
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And it went well. And thank God, or else, we would have never gotten a Freaky Friday, which is one of the best remakes of all time. So good. Yeah. And then she came back. So she did some other stuff. And then at 1998, she came back to do a Halloween H2O, which I was so confused by that title for so long. But all it means is H2O, it's
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It's 20 years later, so it's Halloween 20. Yeah, anyways. So nothing to do with water. Nothing to do with water. Yeah, anyways. So she did that. I still haven't seen that one, to be honest. It's really good. It's actually fun. One of the better ones, I would say. But she, in that one, is having such a good time. You can tell she's having a blast. And she said that she really liked
00:08:07
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the horror movies she did because she was always playing these strong female characters that were fighting the monster. Something she talks about a lot about the new 2018 Halloween is about trauma and how Laurie Strode had never
00:08:28
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been able to deal with her trauma. Wow. And so it's like after the first Halloween movie, like all she had was like a cut on her arm and they probably just banded it up and said, okay, like have a nice life and send her home without therapy or like anything like that. Wow. She thinks she was drawing on her mom not being able to take a shower. Maybe, I don't know. But yeah, so, so she does talk a lot about characters experiencing trauma. And then like,
00:08:56
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You know sort of becoming warriors out of that and fighting off their monsters Really? Yeah, and then so she did some other horror stuff 1999. She did the virus or just virus sorry 2002 Halloween resurrection Wow, she really has a lot quite a few quite a few yeah And then she really didn't do much horror unless I miss something which is you know very possible She didn't really do much other spooky stuff until 2015 when she did Scream Queens
00:09:26
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Ah, yes. What was that on? What channel was that on? I can't remember now. Wow. Research. It's OK. Yeah, so she did Screen Queens, which was sort of like she she played this like messed up dean of this college. Fox? Oh, Fox? That sounds right. It seems right to me. I don't know. Oh, my gosh. I forgot about this. Yeah. It didn't last long. It was like was it like one season?
00:09:56
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23 episodes so no two seasons two seasons okay well good for them good for them i didn't really watch i watched the first like couple episodes and i was like i thought it was funny i just like wasn't captivated fair yeah um but okay so she's done some other stuff that is interesting so she wrote a bunch of children's books
00:10:18
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Um, yeah. And they're all pretty cute cause a lot of them are based off like things her kids like have said to her. Um, for example, one was called like, is there a human race or something? And she said her son came home from school and dain. He was like very upset. And he said, mom, is it true? Is there a human race? And she was like,
00:10:41
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What do you mean? But he thought it was like an actual race like running and he thought like from the time you were born you were set off on this race and you could lose. Which sort of is like a metaphor for life that like I get. Maybe that's very real. Maybe it's very real. But she wrote a book about that concept.
00:11:02
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And she's wrote a bunch more. She also has an invention. This is weird too. So she had an invention and she invented a diaper that holds like
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wipes in them or something. I don't know. I haven't looked up if you can buy it and pull out a wipes, like a pocket or something. I'm not super clear, but you know, she did that. She's in the bedroom too. But and I've seen this in a few interviews, what she always says is like her biggest accomplishment of her life, like more than any movies she's done, more than her kids, more than her marriage.
00:11:38
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is that she got sober. I thought you were going to say the
The Paradox of Jamie Lee Curtis
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diaper. It's the diaper. She was very addicted to opiates for a long time and she got sober and she said that's the greatest accomplishment of her life. Wow. Heavy. Heavy, but go her, go her.
00:12:02
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Yeah, good for her. One other fun fact that I think she said this in a few interviews too, but she hates horror movies. Oh my gosh. She cannot watch them. Oh my gosh. She's not interested. Yeah, so I don't know how she feels about watching her own movies. Yeah. But she said she is never interested in watching horror movies, that they scare her.
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And I was like, wow, I get that. I mean, I don't get that. I know. I guess you'd have to watch her own at least at the premiere. At least at the premiere. I don't know. Maybe it's less scary when you're, I mean, obviously you've seen the other side.
00:12:35
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Oh yeah. With making your own. So one other just random fun fact before we move on is that her legs, which are amazing, if you haven't seen it. She's very tall. Her legs are insured for $2.8 million. Wait, what? Why? There's a life insurance policy on her legs because they've been featured in so many ads. I think it was originally for some shaving ad that it came up on.
00:13:05
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Like, related to her or her legs are like, do you know what I mean? Were they in a commercial and you didn't know they were Jamie Lee Curtis's legs? No, we knew. We knew. Yeah, so the policy began around the time Leggs, some brand, had her as a spokeswoman for their line of products. But yeah, she had to get them insured. And apparently she is not the only celebrity that has done this. Mariah Carey has her legs insured for one
00:13:35
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billion dollars. No! That's crazy! I hope that's a lie. But that's what I found on the internet, which is our only resource on this podcast. Wow. Also, I would have to say, like, I don't think I've ever noticed Mariah Carey's legs before. Me neither. No, me neither.
00:13:51
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And yeah, so that's all the sort of fun stuff about Jamie Lee Curtis. The reason I think she's so great and important in the horror scene is that she really has brought three dimensional characters
00:14:09
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into these like females in horror and I think that's really really important and she also really cares about her fans particularly her horror fans like she goes to the she goes to conventions like she goes to comic-con or whatever she hugs her fans that love Halloween like she is like really with them and loves them
00:14:30
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I love that. I know. It's really nice. She's not just someone that's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm a celebrity. I don't really care. She actually cares and cares about the Halloween franchise. And she knows what it did for her. And it's amazing that she's not. I feel like sometimes celebrities. My dog. Tobi wants to be a part of the podcast. Tobi is rolling around on my bed screaming, just saying, hello, I'm here. Do you see me? And yes,
00:14:57
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I do, Toby. I see you. Okay, he's coming back in. I was just going to say it's also good because I feel like some celebrities are embarrassed about their stints in horror movies or something. Absolutely. Think about Jennifer Aniston pretending the first leprechaun didn't exist. Yes, yes. Because these low budget horror movies a lot of times are how actors get started.
Jessica Lange: A Complex Journey in Horror
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I feel like if you look up most of your favorite actors early on in their career, they were in some weird slasher movie. Totally. But for her, she's really owned it and been like, yes, this is a part of who I am. Right. And maybe I wonder if that is her mom's influence. Maybe. I don't know. Interesting. Yeah. But that's sort of how I feel about JB Lee Curtis. I just really love her. Yes. Yes.
00:15:49
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Obviously she's beautiful, but she is not like what is like the sort of the traditional beauty standards that we're like Currently dealing with or like I would say even like back in the 70s and 80s Yeah, she seems like a real person. She looks like a real person. She acts like a real person except apparently her legs except for her legs that are insured and
00:16:10
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But yeah, I don't know. I really like her a lot. Yeah, that's Jamie Lee Curtis. Amazing. We did something. It was our first thing we've ever said on the podcast. Jamie Lee Curtis. I think that's a great way to start. Yeah. So I chose Jessica Lange. Queen. Queen. Queen extraordinaire. I actually hadn't watched the American Horror Stories in a long time, and so I went back and re-watched them, and it's just gold.
00:16:38
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Oh yeah. Lauren kept sending me videos this week of various clips of Jessica Lang saying outrageous things. She just gets the best lines. I stand by it. Yeah. Okay, so guess what? She was born in Minnesota. I had no idea. I really thought she was from the South for some reason. Oh yeah. Right? She acts like it. She acts like a Southern lady. Yeah, she's not. She's from Minnesota. She was born on April 20, 1949.
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which makes her 69 right now, which is fierce. So she obtained a scholarship to study art at the University of Minnesota, but instead she went to Paris to study drama, already a very romantic
00:17:22
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cool lady. So then she moved to New York and she was working as a model until she was cast in King Kong. That was her first movie? Yep. In 1976. Wow. Also, okay, so I have not actually watched it all the way through, I have to admit. I haven't seen it.
00:17:42
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Right? I mean, why haven't we seen it? I don't know. So I watched some clips once I was like, I'm going to choose Jessica Lange. And it's very strange, I have to say. So I'm a big fan of the Peter Jackson King Kong. And this one, they have a strange sexual relationship between her and King Kong.
00:18:08
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I know. I watched one scene where he runs his finger along her and she's reacting to it. It's very strange. It didn't get good reviews, so she wasn't in another movie for three years. Three years? Three years. Dang.
00:18:28
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It's really interesting. And also that new her kind of being into the King Kong thing is totally different than the original, which I also didn't get. So the original, the girl's really repulsed by King Kong. Jessica Lange kind of did this weird sort of Intuit thing, but then Peter Jackson sort of takes
00:18:51
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for the, you know, the new one. And she also is like, you know, friends with him and has empathy for him. So I thought it was interesting. Whatever weird choice that Jessica Lange made. Kept. Yeah. Kept strong. What year did that come out? Was she the new one? No. Oh, 1976. 1976. So what did I just say? She was born in 49. Okay. So 20. What is that? I don't know. Math. 27? I mean, that's...
00:19:19
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Pretty old. Yeah. Like back in the day to be in your first movie and then not work again for three years? For three years. Oh my gosh. It's really crazy. But anyway, so then she made other movies. But then the next sort of horror movie she was in that I also forgot about until I started doing research was Cape Fear. Have you seen that? Oh, I wish I could see the cover. It's Robert De Niro's The Bad Guy. Yeah. So that was 1991.
00:19:49
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uh where again she's sort of playing like a damsel i watched i watched some scenes from it to refresh my memory and again like the she has this really crazy scene where she like like uses her like sexuality and like attractiveness to like try to convince the bad guy to like not rape her daughter and instead to like instead to like have sex with her because she's been thinking about him and like can't get him out of her mind it's really
00:20:20
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Very crazy, very sad. But again, it's like the daughter is the one that like throws the lighter fluid on him and he catches on fire. So it's like, again, she's sort of playing this like damsel in distress, like using her sexuality to like stay safe kind of thing. So then, then we've got American Horror Story. That's really like the next kind of horror thing she did. And I didn't know this, but she was actually going to retire.
00:20:48
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at 62, not that old until Ryan Murphy came to her and asked her if she wanted to do this. Also, she was only supposed to do a couple of episodes in the first season. I don't know if she got on set and it was magic or if Ryan Murphy begged her to keep doing more episodes because she's a star.
00:21:13
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So then they just kept doing it. She just loved it. She just loved it. So one of my favorite quotes, I was looking into how she feels about her newfound horror queen-ness, because it is sort of different, I mean I guess if you count King Kong, but it's different than Jamie Lee Curtis, right? Oh yeah, that's how her career started. That's sort of how her career is ending. Yeah, it's very interesting.
00:21:39
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But what she said about it was she said, I've always been fascinated with madness, but it frees you. Let your imagination run wild. The idea that you can imagine the character however you want. It's very true, though, that I feel like a lot of, especially Jessica Lange, to some extent, has played these damsels, this sort of one idea of a character. And now on American Horse, I wrote it out because it's crazy.
00:22:08
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So, across the season, she played a homicidal woman responsible for raising the Antichrist, a deranged nun who is in charge of a mental hospital and administers electroshock therapy to the patient. Just the worst. That's amazing.
00:22:26
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a powerful witch selling her soul to an ancient voodoo deity who's obsessed with eternal youth and beauty, and a German woman managing a dying freak show who has both of her legs amputated, which also I forgot that that was part of that season. So crazy. That was the season that I didn't finish that sort of left me out of American Horror Story for the last few seasons.
Jessica Lange: Creative Influence and Personal Insights
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I tried to watch some of Hotel actually.
00:22:52
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Oh yeah, with Gaga. Oh my gosh, she also also Jessica Lange at some point was asked how she felt about Lady Gaga taking over and it was not positive. Oh no. I know. I mean, she doesn't say anything negative. She just kind of makes a face, which I think is so funny considering Gaga's, you know, career now. Is she like, is she not, is Jessica Lange not in any of the recent seasons? So this is, so she actually,
00:23:20
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this new apocalypse season, which I also haven't seen yet, but they bring back a lot of characters, so she comes back as Constance from the first season. It's very cool. I think I did know that. It's very cool. I think really what must have happened is that she started doing it and she was like, oh my gosh, this is the craziest thing I've ever been asked to do. And I didn't really realize she and Ryan Murphy had just
00:23:46
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a great relationship where she would be like, she said, I want to sing and dance on the next season. And so then he wrote her a song and dance thing. Well, power. I know. I know. So I'm like, that must have been very different than some of the movies she's worked on where you get told what to do. Yeah. She gets creative freedom in some ways. Yeah, totally. And I read online that she actually suggested the idea of Freak Show.
00:24:17
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She was thinking about the height of freak shows in the 30s and Ryan Murphy is the one that put it into the Great Depression time.
00:24:24
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you know, when freak shows were sort of dying off. But that was her idea. And I think that's incredible. That's awesome. But like, he'll come to her and be like, have you ever done, you know, a great drunk scene? And if she's like, Oh, no, I haven't, then he like, wrote it into the show. Yeah. And I think that must be like, all those like, all the accents she does. Yeah, she just wanted to do an accent. It really feels that way.
00:24:48
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Like one of the things she said too was like she's not really interested in physical violence in movies or things, which I think is interesting because there is- She's marching like psychological. Yeah, emotional violence. Yeah, I can see that in her characters for sure. Totally. In American play story. Yeah, she gets these incredible scenes. Also, I just want to let everyone know that Lauren is currently wearing a Ninja Turtles
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tank top and a beanie I'm wearing a Lisa Frank t-shirt and sweatpants so this is our podcast costume yeah it's pretty exciting to not have to be seen but I wanted to give you guys a visual
00:25:28
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I think they need that. What else do you have to say about Jessica Lange? Pretty much if you can't tell, she's just a badass. Absolutely. She's been more outspoken I feel like in recent years about ageism and sexism and just her experience with all of that. I watched this one interview where she was talking about how there are male romantic leads in their 60s, but you never see that with women.
00:25:54
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Wow. It's crazy. We're like, you know, you'll have, you know, you'll have like an older guy in his 60s, but he his romantic lead is like 40 or 30. Yeah, yeah. She's so especially someone that didn't like her career didn't like the time in which she lived like a lot of times like
00:26:14
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20, 21, 22, 23 is when people got really started in Hollywood. And to be started later, and her career to come later, that makes sense. Yeah. And especially, I mean, she also, I feel like sort of opposite of Jamie Lee Curtis, is like that traditional beautiful, you know, that was like a big reason why she got King Kong. Perfect cheekbones. Totally. It's like, that's how she
00:26:40
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kind of made her start and then I'm sure yeah it's hard oh the other thing that was cool is that she the reason she not maybe the reason but partly why she came back to do those couple episodes of American Horror Story this most recent season is
00:26:55
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It's because Sarah Paulson was directing, which also I didn't know, so now we have to go watch that. I love Sarah Paulson. We should do an episode on her because I am obsessed with her. I think we should. She's so great. And she also is done quite a bit now. And I think more seasons than Jessica Lange.
00:27:13
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Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, maybe. And also just to like briefly say about American Horror Story, because I also realized this watching more seasons, it's like there are so many strong three dimensional female characters like you have Kathy Bates, you have Sarah Paulson, you have Angela Bassett, you have
00:27:31
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What's her name? Lily Rabe. They all have these fully fleshed out characters. And that doesn't really happen a lot with horror movies. I feel like a lot of the time the girl is the least exciting. Yeah, and also it's so much more about scares and stuff that they're not even thinking about character development. Which is like American Horror Story I feel like tries to spend more time on.
00:27:53
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Yeah, and I think that the layout of the show helps because it's like you're not trying to do it all in an hour and a half. Totally, yeah. Absolutely. You have all those episodes. You have 10 hours or whatever it is. I don't know how long their seasons are, but.
00:28:06
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Yeah, and she talked about that too, where she said it was nice to, on normal TV shows, you'd play the same character for many years in the way that American Horror Story is. It's like you spend this concentrated time with the character, and then you leave it and get to do something else.
00:28:25
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that is awesome it's very cool um anyway i just have like more quotes but i feel like you could just look them up because she's fantastic if there's a good one feel free um i don't know this is just interesting because i think all four of those women she plays are so different but so her quote about them as she said there is a thread through all four of those characters which is a kind of desperation a profound disappointment in life
00:28:51
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as on edge or neurosthenic. I looked at how to say that. I would love to know what that word even is. I feel like it's, I feel like, wait.
00:29:00
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We're getting a definition. Literally no idea. I've never heard it in my life. I assumed it was like a person suffering a nervous breakdown, diseased, sick person. Jessica Lane's also really smart. She's super smart. Okay, so as on edge or or neurosthenic as they appear to be, they have a spine of steel. It's exactly the kind of complexity in a character that I love, that it appears to be one thing and it's something else.
00:29:27
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Just incredible. Well spoken. That is good. She's just super smart. Um, so my quick little fun things is she too writes children's books. What? I know all of these were queens, right? Children's books. But one of them is about a bird and it's a true story. And it's that she smuggled a bird from Rome. So she was in Rome, like filming a movie.
00:29:53
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So, she takes this bird, this is also before 9-11, I should preface it. I don't think you could do this nowadays. She was carrying the bird in her purse when she had to put her purse through the scanner. She took the bird, put it in her pocket, walked through the metal detector, put it back in her purse, and it had water and food.
00:30:16
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She's just amazing. I hope that bird lived a long, happy life. Me too. I just can't imagine feeling so attached to a bird that you had to bring it across the world. And you were like, this is going to be fine. No one's going to stop me. Who knows? So that's how I'm ending my Jessica Lange of it all. I think that was really good. I think that was really good. She's a bird smuggler. Claim to fame. Forget being an actor. Forget everything else.
Conclusion and Future Excitement
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Bird smuggler.
00:30:43
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Yeah. Amazing. I think that was our first episode. Yay. We did it. We did it. Cool. So we'll see you next time. See you next time. One day we'll come up with a really good sign off. Oh. But we really don't have that right now. So we're just going to say goodbye. Goodbye.