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Jon Blair
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Jon Blair is a father of 3, a husband and proud stammerer. He is a Youtube creator & stammer supporter whose channel focuses on stammering, mental health, reviews, opinion, running & a love of trainers. He started running at 37 due to COVID forcing gyms to close their doors, and a year after serious spinal surgery. He has have achieved 16.08 5k, 35.45 10k, 1.18.43 HM and 3.04.04 Marathon.
Jon and Michelle chat about:
- Jon's YouTube channel which he started to help people with a stammer, and which focuses on running, mental health and shoes!
- Jon's own journey into running, which started relatively late in life
- Running a Boston-qualifying marathon on a fractured leg!
- Favourite running shoes, and why carbon-plates might not be for everyone
- Big goals to run 1000 miles for charity
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Transcript
Introduction to John and Stammer On
00:00:01
Speaker
Hi John, thank you so much for joining us on the UK Run Chat podcast today. Would you just like to give our listeners a brief introduction to yourself please? Of course, well thank you for, well for me, I'm glad that I'm on the podcast. So I am
00:00:20
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And John, I'm 40, nearly 41. I have three kids. And I have a YouTube channel called Stammer On, which I set up last year. And the aim of it is basically all around health, stammering, and everything around there. So for me, it's a place to include
00:00:46
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everybody is a place for people to feel safe. And, you know, it's currently on its way up, it's coming nearly at 60,000 subscribers. So it's, I'm really surprised at that. It's, it's grown a lot. Yeah, wow, that's incredible. In such a short space of
Acceptance and Expression of Stammering
00:01:09
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time as well. That's amazing. So you've obviously
00:01:11
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connected with a lot of people there, John. So what are you, what sorts of things do you need? Well, I hope so. So as a stat for you here, so 80 million people in the world actually have a stammer. So that's probably one in, I think it's one in every 100 people. So chances are you probably know. So for me, I used to hide it. So the problem that I had was I never really talked about it.
00:01:41
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And I'd always kind of hit it away. So I sort of tried to pretend to be somebody that kind of wasn't me for a really, really long time. And then, you know, and then
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Last year, I think it all became a lot and I just sort of became quite well with it. And then I just kind of then had to express to the world. And then I thought, well, what's the best way for me to express that is to put kind of put it out there, put the word out there and just let everybody know that it's okay to stammer.
00:02:15
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it totally is. It's part of you, I guess, isn't it? And that's a really brave thing to do, actually, just putting yourself out there for the world. Did that feel like a relief? It's very, very, very cathartic, very, very scary to admit something that you tried to hide from everybody, even my wife, even my kids, you know, trying to put on this face
00:02:41
Speaker
of somebody else and my only outlet has been sport and being able to run so the only true time that I felt me is on the street or at the gym so sport for me has been a really really key part of who I am as well. Yeah yeah I think that's that comes across with you I think that it
Journey Through Running and Recovery
00:03:00
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does kind of help your mental health and it's your space. Absolutely
00:03:05
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not been running that long really haven't you? No so yeah so I started well so I've always played sport so ever since I was about six or seven I've always played sport and then at school I ran so I was quite good at school like I used to win pretty much
00:03:23
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a lot of stuff and then I was kind of quite fast so I've got a sub 1100 meters so I was always quite fast but then I just kind of stopped and I didn't really do a lot and then about when I was 35
00:03:40
Speaker
I had a discectomy and a fusion in my spine because I went to the gym so it means I've got six plates, sorry, six screws and two plates in the spine and was told that
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It's going to be very difficult for you to exercise. So you kind of need to kind of think about the things that you do. I don't like to listen to people. So I worked extremely hard and I came back and then so Covid then happened and they closed all of the gyms.
00:04:16
Speaker
and I was devastated so I thought what can I do and I thought well I used to run and it's the only thing that we can do so I just decided to run so that was four years ago yeah wow so talk us through what's happened since then so how did you start
00:04:34
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So how did I start was I had I didn't I didn't know anything really about well I knew about the sport but I had no idea about how to train how to run like how to plan and that kind of stuff so I basically consumed loads of
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Speaker
like I consumed like lots of ways to run so you know I looked at the TV and books and that kind of stuff just to kind of just to kind of get an understanding and then I think I've got some
00:05:04
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a6 that were like really really old ones and then i decided just to run and then because i always like to compete with me against myself i then tried to beat the times and i think i started off doing three k's and you know it wasn't like anything quick or fast and then i just seemed to get like
00:05:24
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kind of like really just enamored by the fact that you could just put on like some shoes and just go out for a run and it's free. And I just felt so good. And then of course, then I learned about the 5K.
00:05:41
Speaker
and I changed myself to try to get under the 20 minute mark for the 5k and I pushed and pushed and pushed and then the moment that I got under that it sort of sparked something for me and then I just then just got into it and just absolutely adore it completely. Yeah I can hear that passion in your voice John that's fantastic. So what does a typical week look like for you now then in terms of training?
00:06:08
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So what I try to do is I try to do, so I split it up. So what I do is I'll do some tempo runs. I'll try and do one or two per week. So that's probably like a 5K. And then I'll do maybe two or three, 10Ks a week, and then a long run on a Saturday, probably about 20 miles. So I'm probably doing a good 50 to 60 miles a week.
00:06:33
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Yeah. And that adds up on it. Yeah. I was, I was chatting to another podcast guest earlier about this, actually, that the more, the more mileage you do.
00:06:42
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it does help you running overall, doesn't it? We just become more proficient at it. How does your body handle that mileage then, is it? I mean, you've obviously built up over four years. And that's exactly it. The biggest thing is you can't go from naught to everything you have to. I think it's taken me four years to get to this point now. So it's something that I think if you go into too quickly, and I think this is where a lot of people make the mistake initially is they just,
00:07:12
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they run they feel great and then they want to do miles and miles and miles and they get injured and then they stop but the biggest thing is is that it's just slow you know every week you know don't do anything more than about 10 percent a week increase and then have a week's break so i know it's frustrating but it does take time but if you build the healthy habits now then three four years you know you you you'll be you'll be far along uh the way
00:07:41
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Yeah, it's easy to get frustrated at first when you're not seeing kind of you can't make the progress that you necessarily want to make quickly.
00:07:49
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And we do try, I think it's in our nature, isn't it, to try and rush things a little bit. Absolutely. Which I have done so, you know, I've made that error as well, especially at the start, because I used to think that I could run everywhere fast. And I just thought that you could, you used to have to run every, like everything fast, which is a complete wrong way to do it.
00:08:13
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So when you say rest week, what kind of mileage and what kind of sessions are you doing during that week? So what I'm doing on rest week is to say my average week is say between 50 to 60 miles. On that fourth week I'll probably do something like 20 miles.
00:08:30
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30 miles just because i'm just trying to rest the legs to heal so you know i probably won't do a lot of fast work so there'll be just easy easy miles like properly easy miles i'll give you an example my average pace per mile is about six
00:08:47
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20 for an easy pace so I'll really come down for a really really and I'll probably come down to about maybe 8 30 and just have really easy moves just to just to ease in the legs and just to kind of just have that week to just just basically just just just heal the legs yeah yeah give them a chance to recover
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Exactly.
Marathon Challenges and Achievements
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That's quite a difference in pace there then isn't it? So you really are kind of pulling yourself back and just giving yourself a chance to recover there. Well absolutely and I think the key thing here is that you have your, what you have to do is you have to build up your aerobic base so effectively you need to build up your
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to be able to run so you know that's effectively your zone one to kind of three running so that's the every single day so that's your base and should always try to have a base run every single day and those are now my favorite
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are where you effectively just get to run really, really slow, you get to chill out, you get to relax where your favourite shoes, the most comfortable shoes, and you just go and just have a run. Those are my absolute favourite runs, and actually those runs are the best runs, not the faster runs, it's those runs that will increase that engine. And those are my absolute favourite runs.
00:10:17
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Yeah, I think they're the ones I enjoy, actually, because you just you don't have to think about anything. You don't have to be looking at your watch worrying about when you're going too fast or too slow. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, good fun. So do you run more than once a day?
00:10:32
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Uh, sometimes I do, um, depending. So the content that I make at times, um, I do some stuff. So I maybe we'll do a two 10 Ks. Um, so I'll run one comeback, um, putting some more shoes and run up another, another five to 10 K, but it won't be at the same pace. Um, but I do sometimes run, um, twice in a day. Yes.
00:11:02
Speaker
yes but not all the time i think that's not all the time though because um that will be quite hard i think so what's your favorite distance to run then because we've talked about your 5ks what are the distances have you done my favorite probably the the half marathon i think because i think it's there's enough there to
00:11:29
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I think there's enough there to train for because they are hard. I think when you think about a half, I think some people will easily overlook it maybe for the full marathon because I think that it's only a half, but you think about that as a half.
00:11:51
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at a really good pace and i find that just probably the hardest actually i do because i find myself you know i've got a i've got a 118 um in the half marathon and you know it's at a good pace but it's it's it's it's a full-on it's it's it's so
00:12:14
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It's such a difficult race that I just enjoy that aspect. I think it's that trying to give your best 100% for 13.1 miles. And for me, I think it's that ultimate where you can't slack off at all. So yeah, I think the half for me is actually the hardest
00:12:42
Speaker
Yeah, I agree with you actually. I think the half marathon for me, it's been the one distance I've never been able to reach the goals I've set myself at is a really tough distance. What are your tips for running a half marathon then, if anyone out there is like me, thinking how do I? I would say you, I would train for a marathon. So train as if you're, you know,
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as if you have because you also need to kind of do that.
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everyday miles but you probably need to do more everyday miles as opposed to the kind of speed work because you really need to build up those legs you really need to increase that core and your core strength as well so you know if you can do some other things around like planks or like abdominal work or leg work I think that would really really help
00:13:40
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as well because it's uh you know i think that it's definitely one of the the more harder things to do because it's just constant it is a constant constant fast pace um and really i think it definitely hits the body more
00:13:58
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Yeah, I think you're right. So is your strategy during the race, is it just to set off and just hang on in there as long as you can? Basically, yeah. So what I do is for the first six miles is to go fast and then just basically just hope that by mile nine, I'm still in there and then the last three miles just hurts. So it is a case of, yeah, just sort of just, you just hang on in there. Yeah.
00:14:28
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So your heart rate's pretty high all the way through, I'm guessing. Well, I try to keep my heart rate around about 160, 165. So if I'm at about 160, then I know that I'm okay. So I kind of try to do about 160, so it's not too bad. But again, it depends on if you're tired or you're stressed. But one of the key factors for anybody is keeping their heart rate as low as you possibly can.
00:14:58
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Yeah, yeah, that's a good tip. So talk us through the marathon because you hosted and you came in chat hour for us recently. It was fantastic. Yeah. Did you enjoy it by the way? I did. It was absolutely brilliant. I loved it. Yeah. Thanks so much for doing that. We love having community members on hosting. It's nice to get a different perspective and different questions from people.
00:15:21
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So in the bio that you sent us, you said that you've written a marathon on a fractured leg. Yes. Yes, I did. Talk us through that. How does that happen? Okay. So lastly, that was the Halstead Marathon in Essex. And I trained really, really hard. And it's a really hard marathon. Everything's uphill. It's such a difficult one. So I said, yep, that's the one for me.
00:15:47
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And it was my very, very, very first marathon. So I turned 40 in May, so on May the 1st and then on May the 8th. That was like the very first marathon.
00:16:01
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And I train hard and I was just like, right, what I'm going to do, I want to do a sub three. So I started the race and I got through half at about 120. So I was just like, I'm on pace now to do between a 240 and a 255 ish. And then a mile 16, I, um,
00:16:23
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hit up like a hole or something and my leg just didn't feel quite right and i thought oh yeah this this hurts but i just persevered and just to the point where i just i had to stop i had to you know i i had to sit down at one point and i just absolutely was in agony for pretty much the second half of it and there were times where i just i was just
00:16:53
Speaker
I felt like I had to stop. I just get persevering through the pain and I finished and I managed three hours and four minutes. And I think for me, I was so pleased the fact that I finished it. And yeah, and then I had to go straight to A&E and I
Future Goals in Running
00:17:20
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fractured my leg. Wow. So in a pothole,
00:17:23
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Basically a pothole, yes. Wow, that's so... Which you'd think I'd be able to see it, but when you're focused, you just can't. I just couldn't see anything else. Yeah, and a fraction of my leg. Oh, that's so unlucky, but still superb result. So how was the first marathon back after that then?
00:17:48
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I haven't done one since. I haven't been able to do one since. So it took me a little while to come back. And I've kind of taken the choice to not do one this year. I'm just going to do all halves and things this year because I want to recover for next year. So I've taken the choice not to do one this year.
00:18:14
Speaker
Yeah, very sensible. Yeah, well, yeah, you've clearly got big goals for the marathon. Yeah, all the best when you do eventually take that on again. So what's been the favourite race that you've done so far then?
00:18:29
Speaker
I would probably say the Chelmsford half marathon. Again that was my kind of first one and I think it's pretty cool when you train for something and you kind of execute your plan. So I think you know I trained really hard and it was like the very first one. I didn't really have any experience at all and you know I kind of tried to plan it in my own head. You know I did
00:18:59
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they're planning for 13 weeks. And I finished it within plan. So you know, that that was the first time I thought, actually, you know what, if you plan something, it absolutely works. I executed it to plan. So yeah, that's such a satisfying feeling, isn't it? It really is.
00:19:20
Speaker
Yeah, so what about standout moments then so far for you in your running career? What's been the big standout moment or something you're proud of? I think that just being able to run, you know, I think that when you get injured,
00:19:40
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um my mind was particularly bad um you appreciate the small things and you know i come back from the um i come round from the operation and you know i was in such pain and you know i couldn't walk for a long long time and just being able to
00:19:59
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to walk and to run. I'm just thankful that I'm able to walk, to run. So, you know, being able to do that is fantastic. So, you know, that's probably what, you know, for me is the proudest thing. Yeah, because I was going to ask how you come back from that kind of injury. It must be tough mentally. Like, how do you get over that slump? It must feel like, you know,
00:20:30
Speaker
Yeah, when you've always played sport or you've always done some kind of sport, I think you
00:20:39
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I think it depends on the person. So I guess there's two things with me because I fought for my speech a lot of the times as well. So, you know, I've always been ingrained in me to, I guess, to fight. So, you know, I've always fought to be able to speak, you know, to be able to speak here. You know, what people don't understand is it's taken a lot for me to be able to communicate, to be able to talk, and that's
00:21:04
Speaker
through hard work. That's through so many times of feeling embarrassed and feeling sad, but coming back. And it's very similar to sport is when you get hit down, you come back again. So I've had those two things
00:21:21
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You know, and I just think I've been very fortunate that I've had the mindset to be able to come back. And I think even if I wasn't able to run, I always would have played sports because, you know, I just think that, you know, I think it's really important to be true to yourself. And, you know, I just think that you just you can you can do more than you think you can. Yeah, that's so I love that.
00:21:49
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outlook actually and we all can, can't we? Absolutely. Yeah, so what are your, what goals are you setting yourself next then? So I have many goals, so with a stammer run,
00:22:06
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I'm working with, I'm going to work with a charity and my plan is to run a thousand miles
00:22:19
Speaker
so the thousand miles they are a voice okay so for you know people who have not been able to speak or you know people who have to go through things so every every step is a person you know for them effectively so it takes two it's
00:22:41
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million or I think it's two steps so a million steps to run a thousand miles so every step is a voice so I'm going to run a thousand miles or I plan to run a thousand miles so that's the Scotland and back that's sort kind of the first the first plan and then second plan is I want to next year run all of the majors
00:23:11
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and try to do the Japanese one, the Berlin, London and Boston or New York marathons.
Running Gear Insights
00:23:24
Speaker
Yeah, that is a huge goal. Yeah. Wow. Because you do, of course, have to qualify. Boston that has a qualifying time, is that right?
00:23:35
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Yeah, so I would have qualified for that last year, even with a 304. So because of my age, I'm 41. I fall into that age. So now I think the qualifying time is about 308, I think. So I would have qualified for that. Well, I'm sure you'll get there again. So is the plan to kind of run
00:24:00
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run one of the majors and use that as a qualifying time for Boston. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So which one do you think you'll enjoy the most? Which are you most excited about? London, I think. Really? Yeah. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Big, big, big race, isn't it? It's a huge race. And I think the atmosphere there and, you know, and for what it and for the cause as well. So I think that that's my that's my main aim.
00:24:31
Speaker
Yeah. So I'm intrigued by all the shoes behind you, John, because obviously our listeners won't be able to see these. So you have to imagine there are lots and lots of running shoes. What's your favorite type of shoe to run in? Have you got a particular favorite? So my favorite all time running shoe is the AlphaFly. I absolutely love that shoe. But looking behind me,
00:25:01
Speaker
anything real I mean I quite like a carbon plated shoe as boring as that sounds but my favourite shoe right now is the Puma Fast R and I can get it actually so the Puma Fast R is this sort of weird shaped shoe so it has an exposed plate and it's got two foam so it's got this
00:25:31
Speaker
like foam at the front and then this kind of like harder foam. And it's just, I just think it looks absolutely fantastic. It looks like you almost kind of rock off the back of it actually, doesn't it? Exactly, exactly. And I think that's the purpose of this particular shoe. So yeah, the Kuma Fast R is absolutely fantastic.
Advice for New Runners
00:25:48
Speaker
But my all time favorite shoe is the Alpha Fly. Yeah, so somebody here who has never tried carbon plated shoes, I know, behind the times, what's so good about them?
00:26:00
Speaker
So what's so good about carbon plated shoe is that spring. So it, whatever you put into the shoe, it returns it back. So it kind of does make it,
00:26:11
Speaker
more it makes it easier to run it saves the legs now conversely to that and i would say probably the downside to that is is that they are not for everybody i'd say you'd probably have to be a bit more experienced to run in them because they're not the most stable of shoes so before people go out to rush out to buy all the these
00:26:36
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shoes that cost £280 I would honestly just start with some simple shoes but then when you advance the energy return that you get and I would say the
00:26:52
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transition from front to back is absolutely unmatched at all so i would i would i would stress if you've never owned a pair before you go out and spend 250 pounds i would say just keep it simple buy something that has tons of tons of foam in it and just make sure you get fitted for the right shoe because there's nothing worse than when you buy a shoe you spend all that money and it doesn't it just doesn't feel right
00:27:22
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of money isn't it to spend if you don't know if it's going to work for you or not. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, let us know if you're out there listening and you've tried the carbon plated ones, we'd love to know your thoughts on them as well. So I mean, what advice would you give to people listening who like you are starting running a bit later in life? You know, is there anything you wish you'd know when you first started? And I know you devoured lots of information.
00:27:48
Speaker
What advice would you give people in your situation? I would say take it easy. Just don't match yourself. I think one of the things that I did was the Strava thing and I tried to match myself and I think that's the worst thing that you can is when you try to match to other people. You don't know
00:28:13
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if they've run for a long time, you know, you're trying to match yourself against something that you are not aware about. So I would say just be true to yourself and just take things slow. You don't have to be the best, you know, just enjoy it. And I think more than anything else,
00:28:36
Speaker
should be fun you should you should have a smile on your face and you should just absolutely enjoy it because i think it's absolutely fantastic and yeah just have fun with it just just have fun yeah no it's such a nice thing to do isn't it it's yeah i i love running anyway um how do you fit all your miles in during the week
Balancing Life and Running
00:28:58
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um i'm tired um so i've been working kids and stuff as well yeah so um i work full time um the channel as well now so that so i basically just run mostly late at night um i now run probably
00:29:19
Speaker
about 11 o'clock at night um so you know that's kind of the time sun days are the best day because i i get to chill and i just can just have that long long run um so i kind of now i am um a night person so all of the times and the things i do are now of an evening and what i'll do is i'll record some stuff and then i'll
00:29:47
Speaker
have a run after kids are in bed like the normal life is done and then that time is for me just to have a run. Yeah just goes to show you can fit it in can't you if you absolutely want to.
00:30:02
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if you're prepared to be tired. Yeah, do you sleep okay after a run late at night? Because that's what I've always been with, I'm a morning runner. No, no, because you know, I then am more awake. So I probably on average get about six hours sleep a night less than that, which is
00:30:22
Speaker
it's okay but again I need to stress the importance of rest and sleep which is something that I need to do as well so again Sunday morning I'll try to sleep in and then yeah so try to sleep and rest that is absolutely key as well. Have you ever tried running in the morning? Is that something you might look at?
00:30:44
Speaker
Yeah I have, again with the kids it's such a difficult thing to do especially with the kids because I have three children and you know it's trying to find time with them as well you know because I love spending the mornings with the children as well so it's a tricky thing to do, I would love to but I just think that work
00:31:11
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trying to run during the days really, really hard. I'm fortunate enough where I'm at home a bit as well, so I try to sneak in a run as well for like an hour. So I kind of now try to sneak it in either of an evening or an
Q&A and Memorable Moments
00:31:27
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hour. Yeah, no. Yeah, I guess you just got to do what works for you, haven't you? But you're clearly- Exactly. You're finding that balance, aren't you? That's good to hear. Right, I'm going to move on to some quick fire questions then, John. Yeah, let's do it.
00:31:41
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Yeah, so number one, preferred running surface. Road. Road all the way. All the way road. Favourite poster and snack. Ooh, a banana. Ooh, good choice. Music or no music? Music all the way. What's on your playlist at the moment? Any favourites?
00:32:02
Speaker
Oh, Lincoln Park, 80s rock, some pop. Kind of, I just got such an eclectic things of songs, but mostly rock stuff. Great. Cross training, do you do it and what's your... Yes, I go to the gym and I do bike. Yeah, okay. Do you do any weights or anything? I do weights, yes. Yes, I do. A lot of weight training, yes.
00:32:32
Speaker
Yeah, great. If you could run anywhere in the world, where would it be? Japan. Ooh, why? I like the culture and it just looks amazing there. You know, I would just love to run on, is it Mount Fuji or you know, like around there, it just looks amazing. Yeah, it does. I will hopefully get a chance to do Tokyo.
00:32:57
Speaker
That would be amazing. If you could have one superpower to enhance your running, what would it be? I want to say speed, but I think that's too easy. So I don't get injured, I think is one. Yeah. So I could just have bones of steel. Yeah. No, that sounds good. Yeah. I think I might choose that as well.
00:33:25
Speaker
Okay, running pet peeve. Is there something about racing or running that annoys you or makes you cringe? Yes, so I apologise to people that have them. I might sound thingy here. So when I see people with their water packs on and they have like a drink here and you know, they're
00:33:49
Speaker
and i know they're probably only out for like a 10k right and i'm just like it's ott i'm sorry i'm really sorry but those vests with the water things on them like if you're out for anything less than about 10 miles you don't need those those those those things on i'm i'm i'm really sorry if you um if you have one but i just they're just not for me i'm really sorry that's fair enough
00:34:16
Speaker
Last one then, most unusual or memorable running encounter? I was once on a run and I come up behind this guy and he just looked a bit weird and I asked if he was okay and it transpired. It was a comedian.
00:36:06
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Yeah, so I came up behind him and it was Lee Evans, the comedian. So I was like, between like,
00:36:17
Speaker
You're Lee Evans, and you go for a run. I was just like, that's just so cool. There was a guy, and to be fair to me, he looked like he wasn't well. I think he ran a bit too fast. But yeah, I was like, wow, okay, that's really quite cool. So that was surreal.
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Yeah, that was surreal. So that was just out on a normal run. I was just out and about. It was just a normal guy. And I was just, you know, as you do, you know, a I think that once they use a proper like A-list Hollywood star. And I was like, Lee Evans, like on a run. That was really weird. Yeah. I used to love his stand up. Yeah. Yeah. That's brilliant story. Thank you,
Conclusion and Channel Promotion
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John.
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Oh, well, thanks so much for joining us on the podcast. It's been really great getting to know a bit more about you. Working on listeners, find your channel, remind us.
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So it's stammer on and if you pop that in there, so we're currently at 60,000 so we are well I am say we it's just me So the plan is is is the whole purpose of the channel is to promote a stammering You know and it's a safe place for everybody. So I don't see it necessarily as mine. It's for everybody so if you happen to
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find it please come and say hi and you know i'm open to suggestions as well so please feel free to come and say hi yeah well thank you very much it's been great getting to know you thank you so much for the time it's been fantastic i appreciate it