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Carl Tanzler and Elena "Helen" Milagro de Hoyos & The Trial of Arne Cheyenne Johnson
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This week, Lauren covers the story of Carl Tanzler and Elena "Helen" Milagro de Hoyos. Not only is there weird, one-way old man romantic obsession with a much younger woman, but there is corpse-stealing, weirdos. Felicia discusses the Trial of Arne Cheyenne Johnson, the true story behind the The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It.
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Introduction and Listener Engagement
00:00:12
Speaker
Welcome to the Sinister Sisters podcast. I'm Lauren. I'm Felicia. We're best friends. And we like spooky stuff. We're starting off today's episode kind of with a big thank you. So we don't really look at our stats very often. We just do this to hang out and talk about the stuff we're into. And if anyone listens to it, it's kind of a shock to us. So we looked at our stats, and we just hit 11,000 downloads.
00:00:39
Speaker
I don't even know what that means but it sounds like a lot. It feels huge to us and we're just so excited that people seem to be enjoying it and listening to it and we just appreciate you guys and appreciate that you know people like spooky stuff like we do. Yeah and people are like down to hang out with us and listen to it and also I think we say this
00:01:01
Speaker
somewhat often. But I'll say it again, if you have recommendation for things you want us to cover, we're always kind of just scouring the internet for topics. And if you want to send us something, we'll probably do it. Yeah, we love we love that. Yeah. But yes, just thank you all so much. We love you. We love you.
Debate on Suicide Squad
00:01:20
Speaker
So jumping into some recommendations, I have two this week. But I wanted to mention I did see Suicide Squad, the new Suicide Squad. Me too.
00:01:30
Speaker
Wait, really? I didn't even think about that, but yes. Oh my god, what did you think? I loved it. Okay, so I'm mixed. I actually wanted to talk about this specifically because I normally, obviously, I like gory things. I watch a lot of horror movies, but for some reason, I was really bothered by the gore. What? That was what I loved so much. I was like, it's so gory and so funny.
00:01:59
Speaker
I have no idea, I can't explain it. I couldn't tell if I was in a weird COVID headspace, but all of a sudden I was just like, oh my gosh, I don't want to watch people being...
00:02:11
Speaker
Well, it's also not typical of like DC and Marvel movies. So it might just be like you being like, this isn't normal for these because you watch a lot of those movies. Yeah, it just it was so funny. I did like the weirdness. I liked like the like Harley going into the eye. Like I loved some. I mean, she's incredible. I think she could she should win like an Oscar for playing Harley like this in general. I agree. I just think she's so good. I love to the look.
00:02:39
Speaker
But I really I didn't understand her weird side story with that leader. I was like, what? Yeah, I guess that's true. That's true. Yeah, I guess that for me, I was just like, yeah, I was just thrilled by how weird it was, like the giant monster, like how over the top everything was and then like how funny it was, how gory it was. Like it was just like so fun. It does feel like if somebody said to me, like, what would Felicia like in a Marvel movie? It does feel pretty much like that.
00:03:09
Speaker
Exactly. That's why I liked it because I'm not so into like the comic book stuff. But it was like weird and silly and gory. You're right. I was like, yeah, but I understand it wasn't necessarily for you. And I do like I like James Gunn. Like he is the heated Guardians of the Galaxy. Like I like a lot of his stuff, but I don't know what it was. It like it was close. Like I enjoyed parts of it. I thought it was like interesting, but I also was like, I don't I don't know. I don't know.
00:03:39
Speaker
mixed review. What was the other one?
Candyman and Horror Themes
00:03:41
Speaker
The other movie? Oh, and then I saw the original Candyman in preparation for the new movie. So that was really good. And I mentioned this to you briefly before, but it really reminded me of Silence of the Lambs. And I also just remembered why, which is that Ardelia, the friend of Jodie Foster in Silence of the Lambs, is also in Candyman.
00:04:03
Speaker
Oh wow, I haven't seen Candyman a long time, but I'm gonna rewatch it too before the movie comes out. Yes, and I forgot that it was Clive Barker, so it felt, I just forgot, it's like so Hellraiser. Like it's so sexy and pain and torture. Absolutely, with such great imagery. Like all mixed into one. There's a lot of cool stuff going on in that movie.
00:04:26
Speaker
There is. And obviously, like the the performances are really good. It's like interesting to see a movie. Yes, I was going to say to see a movie that old kind of like commenting on race, interestingly. And I don't know. I really liked it. Yeah. Very spooky. Nice. The stuff is scary. A spooky scary. So I watched the first episode of a new TV show called Brand New Cherry Flavor.
00:04:55
Speaker
It's on Netflix and it's freaking epic. It is so weird. It is so dark. It's basically like kind of the general plot, which sounds boring, but it's not. This girl, you know, goes to Hollywood because this big movie guy wants to produce her feature. She had a short film. He loved it. There's something weird about it. We don't know yet because I'm only one episode in.
00:05:23
Speaker
And then he kind of like screws her over. And then she kind of goes for revenge to this kind of witch woman. And it's I mean, I don't even know what this is based on because it is so freaking weird. Like there's a lot to do with cats that you would never never seen before. Cats? It's very weird. I can't even I can't even say what it is.
00:05:50
Speaker
Wait, the animal or the musical? The animal, though I would just say what it is in addition at its musical. But it's amazing. I cannot wait to see where it goes. It's just like, ooh. Do you know how many episodes it is? I think it's eight. And it's just really stylish. I love it. I can't wait. Yeah. It was fun. It was offered to me last night. So when I opened Netflix, it was like brand new cherry flavor. Yeah.
00:06:17
Speaker
I feel like my Netflix really knows me. Oh yeah, for sure. Those algorithms, they'll get you. Are you good for me to jump in? Yeah. That was it, right? Okay, great. That was it. Amazing.
Karl Tansler's Obsession
00:06:28
Speaker
So today I'm talking about Karl Tansler.
00:06:33
Speaker
And he also went by several different names, including Georg Karl Tansler on his German marriage certificate. Karl Tansler von Kossel, I'm not sure, on his United States citizenship papers. He was listed as Karl Tansler on his Florida death certificate. Some of his hospital records were signed, Count Karl Tansler von Kossel.
00:06:56
Speaker
So just lots of names, sort of a suspicious character right off the bat. Yeah. And he lived from 1877 to 1952 and was German born and mostly like worked as a radiology technologist.
00:07:14
Speaker
Which I don't really know what that means but at the I'm assuming it's dealing with x-rays I see At the Marine Hospital in Key West, Florida is where like he spent most of his time But so he he grew up in
00:07:31
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Germany, but at some point ended up in Australia just prior to the start of World War I. Then he went back to Germany around 1920, married a woman, which is kind of key to this story, whose name was Doris Schaeffer, and had two children with her. One who sadly died at 10 years old from diphtheria. Oh no.
00:07:52
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back in those days of kids dying young sometimes. So he immigrated to the US from Germany in 1926.
00:08:02
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And in that journey, he stayed for some amount of time in Cuba, which is also kind of interesting. I'm not really sure how that boat journey went. But for some reason, he stayed in Cuba for a while. And then he settled in Zephryllus, Florida, where his sister had already come. And then he was later joined by his wife and daughters there. But a year later, he actually took this job as a radiology technician in Key West, Florida.
00:08:28
Speaker
So, he left his family in Zephryllus and he went like what, like now it's a seven and a half hour drive in between these two places. So, he moved very far away from his family for his work. And so, yes, very odd and I don't know if this is something that happened much more frequently back then, but it still seems highly suspicious to me that he spent most of his life not living near his wife and children.
00:08:57
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odd. So during his childhood in Germany and later when he was traveling in Italy at some point, so multiple times he claimed to have been visited by visions of a dead ancestor, Countess Anna Costintina von Kossel, who revealed the face of his true love, who was a exotic, dark-haired woman, he says. Sounds like a red flag.
00:09:25
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Sounds not like good old Doris, his wife. I'll say that.
00:09:31
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So on April 22nd, 1930, while he was working at his hospital in Key West, Carl Tansler met Marie Elena Helen, I guess is what she, maybe she went by, Milagro de Hoyos, who was a local Cuban-American woman who had been brought to the hospital to be examined. And he immediately recognized her as the woman of his dreams. Sure, sure, sure, sure.
00:10:00
Speaker
She was the daughter of a local cigar maker and she actually had also been married. So she married a man named Luis Mesa in 1926. This is really sad. So he actually left her after she had a miscarriage of their child. So he moved away to Miami and she stayed legally married to him, even though he just kind of like left her high and dry when she lost their child.
00:10:24
Speaker
Yeah, really sad, really dark. So once she got into the hospital, she was eventually diagnosed with tuberculosis and back in, back in whatever this is, like the 1930s, basically late 1920s, this was a fatal disease most of the time. And it actually eventually killed almost all of her immediate family. It's highly contagious. So it seems like tuberculosis just like went around her immediate family and they all kind of died or a lot of them died.
00:10:55
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one after the other, super sad. So obviously we know that Carl, or not obviously, Carl became kind of obsessed with her. He thought she was a woman of his dreams. So he tried to cure her without a ton of medical knowledge and with just kind of like a variety of medicines as well as X-ray, electrical equipment. And he ended up, so basically she went to the hospital, found out she had tuberculosis, went back to her home,
00:11:22
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So then he was coming to her house to try to help her, to try to cure her, give her medicine, give her any kind of treatment he thought might work, which is also just suspicious to me. It's like, maybe don't try. I mean, I know that it was
00:11:36
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likely fatal anyway, but it's like, I don't know what he was trying. But he showered her with jewelry and clothing and professed his love to her. But there's honestly no evidence or fact that she showed any of his affection back to him.
00:11:53
Speaker
Despite his efforts, she did sadly end up dying at her parents' home of tuberculosis on October 25, 1931. At that time, she was only 22, very sad, but Carl was a nice 54 years old.
00:12:15
Speaker
Yeah, I don't love it. I don't love it. You're the one in my dreams. You don't love me. Here's some presents. You don't love me. I'm going to try harder. You don't love me. Not great. So he ended up paying for her funeral. And with the permission of her family, he commissioned this above ground mausoleum to be built for her. And he ended up visiting her at this cemetery. It was the Key West Cemetery. He visited her almost every night there.
00:12:45
Speaker
So things are going to take an even darker turn. This is what I'm waiting for. I'm ready. So one evening in April, 1933, which was a full two years after her death, he snuck into the cemetery where she was buried, took her body. No.
00:13:08
Speaker
Yep, took her body out of the mausoleum, carried it through the cemetery in this wagon, and took her to his house. Took the corpse to his house, I should say.
00:13:20
Speaker
Not good. He literally leave her alone. It's two years after the death. That's the part that I can't like, I mean, I can't get on board with any of it, but it's like, I don't even know what her corpse possibly looked like two years after. Pretty bad. Not much left, I assume. So he reportedly said that her spirit would come to him and ask her to take him. Sorry, ask him to take her body.
00:13:47
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I don't know. I doubt it. Obviously, he had to do some work on the corpse. He attached the bones together with piano wire. He fitted the face with glass eyes. As she continued to decompose, he replaced her skin with silk cloth soaked in wax and plaster.
00:14:13
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As her hair fell out, he made a wig from her hair, and he had actually previously gotten hair from her mother to make this wig, which also I'm like, what did the mom, he's like, hey, can I have some of her hair? I don't know. I really don't know. I have so many questions. My biggest one is, I know we don't want to know, but is there a photo? There is a photo. Oh my god. There is a photo. I should just find it now, right?
00:14:42
Speaker
I mean, I have to see it, I'm sorry. I have to see it. I mean, the silk with the wax skin, like what? It's unfortunately, yeah. It's actually like better looking than I remember. I mean, you know, it's still a corpse. But it seems like he really just reconstructed it. Oh my God. Okay, this guy's nuts. I mean, obviously, but like,
00:15:12
Speaker
Yeah, not a good situation. OK, obviously we're putting this on the Instagram. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So also he had to fill her stomach and chest cavity with rags to keep the, you know, shape of the body. You know, this part makes sense to me. He dressed her corpse in clothes and jewelry and he kept that body in his bed.
00:15:39
Speaker
So he had to use a ton of perfume and disinfectants and preserving agents and he tried to. So he tried to keep her from decomposing as long as possible. So apparently nobody really knew that this was happening. Nobody found out.
00:16:02
Speaker
until October 1940. So this is seven years after her death, five years after he had taken the body.
00:16:12
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So long time. So Elena's sister heard rumors that people had seen him sleep or like people thought he was sleeping with her sister's corpse. So she went and confronted him and they eventually discovered the body. He also was apparently caught. This really freaks me out. He was apparently also caught like dancing with the corpse in front of an open window. So like neighbors had seen it. My God.
00:16:39
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know what you would do if you saw that. It's like an interview with the vampire when Lestat dances with the corpse. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, yes. It's terrifying. So the sister called the police. He was arrested and he was found mentally competent to stay in trial. So this is going to really make you angry. So there was a preliminary hearing on October 9th, 1940, but the case was dropped
00:17:08
Speaker
And he was released as the statute of limitations of the crime had expired. But he still had the body. Isn't that a crime? You would think. I don't really know what the laws are about that, but especially in Florida in 1940, especially. Oh, man. If you're from Florida, that's insane.
00:17:36
Speaker
That's disgusting. Get ready for more. Shortly after the corpse was discovered, I have no earthly idea why this happened. It was put on public display at a funeral home. The corpse is viewed by as many as 6,800 people, and then it was finally returned to the cemetery in an unmarked grave so that nobody could find her again.
00:18:02
Speaker
I hope, if there is a ghost that exists, I hope it's her and I hope she haunted him horribly till his last dying day. Right? I mean, I know it's kind of like a fun, not fun, sorry, I don't know what to say. It's like a wild story. Yes. But it's also so horrible to disturb. So first of all, she didn't even like him. She was like, leave me alone. And then even in death, he still wouldn't leave her alone.
00:18:30
Speaker
She died at 22 from tuberculosis and then had someone take her corpse for years. I mean, that's horrible. That's disgusting. It's really horrible. So the weirdest part of this whole case is that it received a lot of attention from the media, obviously, but the public mood was generally sympathetic towards him.
00:18:52
Speaker
because they thought, this is why I'm kind of wondering if it was dropped too. They kind of thought of him as like this like, you know, romantic, like crazy, like, like eccentric guy. They just thought he loved her so much. And he was in his 50s and she was 20 and she didn't even like him.
00:19:11
Speaker
He was literally married. He had a wife and children. Is Doris OK? So we do get to this. So there's a little bit more research first. So there was research that revealed evidence of his necrophilia with her corpse. We haven't really talked about that. I just kind of honestly, I know. Right. That's so. So basically it's like two doctors that were at the 1940 autopsy
00:19:41
Speaker
later in 1972 said that they had found a vaginal tube that had been inserted in the vaginal area of her corpse that allowed for him to have sex with it.
00:19:53
Speaker
But I don't really know, I don't know. The research that I found is people don't really know if that's real because nothing was presented at that hearing in 1940. It wasn't until 30 years later that the doctors were like, hey, by the way, this thing happened. And so people were not sure if they were just doing it for attention later. Yeah, I feel like if that had been presented in the court case, that would have changed things. I would think.
00:20:21
Speaker
Because then it's like if he was actually having sex with the corpse, that again feels like a more recent
Arnie Johnson's Demonic Defense
00:20:28
Speaker
crime. That is a crime. I think so. I hope it is. I assume so. I don't know. So that's freaky. But kind of like wrapping up the rest of his life just so you know what happened to him. In 1944, so this is like four years after that hearing, he moved back to be closer to his family.
00:20:47
Speaker
and his wife actually helped support him in his later years. But don't you worry, it ain't over. He used a death mask, which is basically just like a wax plaster cast of a person's face, you know, after their death, to create a life-size sculpture of Elena. And he lived with it until his death at age 75 in 1952. And Doris was like, okay. Cool. You need some money, I'll help you.
00:21:17
Speaker
I'm sad for Doris. I'm really sad. Like, what about his kids? Like, can you imagine that being your dad? Like, oh, where are those kids now? They might, they're probably, they might still be alive. I mean, not actually. I, yeah, that's, I mean, they could be. Well, somebody's grandpa.
00:21:33
Speaker
Yeah, weird. And so the other crazy thing is his body. I mean, this makes me think, I don't know when Doris died, actually. I don't know. His body wasn't discovered for like it was discovered three weeks after his death. So clearly people weren't really checking on him.
00:21:51
Speaker
People rumored that he was found in the arms of her sculpture. He was in tabloids for years. There were always different details about the story. Some people even said that he killed her, that he was poisoning her to kill her originally.
00:22:07
Speaker
So I don't know, there's a lot more drama and gossip, of course. But the funny thing that I just wanted to mention as my last thing is that you can hear about this story. There's an exhibit at the Ripley's Believe It or Not Museum in Key West, of course. Of course. Okay, amazing. Yes. So that's the story of Karl Tansler and his love, Elena.
00:22:31
Speaker
That's so, that's such a good story. I mean, it's horrifying, but like, I'm so glad I know about it. Yeah, it's pretty icky, but it's good. Yeah, whoa. Okay, so my story today is a case that a recent movie came out about. The Conjuring, The Devil Made Me Do It.
00:22:56
Speaker
Oh. Yes. And so I reviewed this. I reviewed the movie on my channel. I briefly touched on the case it's based on. So I'm going to go a little more in depth today. But this is the trial of Arnie Cheyenne Johnson. And it's known literally as the devil made me do it case because
00:23:17
Speaker
It's the first known court case in the US in which the defense sought to prove innocence based on the defendant's claim of demonic possession. And thus having no personal responsibility for his crime because it was the devil. The devil made him do it.
00:23:36
Speaker
The devil made him do it. All right. So this this story focuses actually around the Glatzel family. So so basically 11 year old David Glatzel, he's kind of the first to be possessed. And Artie Cheyenne Johnson, just for some context, was his older sister's boyfriend. OK, so he was there during all this. And basically they started to notice.
00:24:01
Speaker
Oh, they had moved into this rental house that they were renovating or something. And David started seeing some weird things, acting very strange to the point where they pulled in a Catholic priest to be like, um, like what's going on here? He said that he was seeing an old man that was pushing him and terrifying him. So he was like, yeah, so he was seeing stuff and acting weird.
00:24:30
Speaker
So he said that David's visions of the old man he kept seeing said that he would appear as a demonic beast who would speak in Latin and was threatening to steal his soul.
00:24:43
Speaker
And no one in the family, yeah, no one in the family ever saw the old man other than David, but they did say that they heard a lot of strange noises coming from the attic. But that's the only like, paranormal thing that the family themselves experienced. David started having night terrors. He would get these unexplained scratches and bruises all over his body. And
00:25:05
Speaker
So basically this they got this priest to come in and he kind of blessed the house. But we don't think this did anything because it wasn't actually the house that was the issue. David was possessed. So it got to the point where David was getting worse and worse and his
00:25:21
Speaker
It used to kind of be more of a nighttime thing. And then he started having these visions and behaviors during the day as well. That's when you know it's bad. Oh, yeah. In the daylight. Or, yeah. Yeah, that one is real bad. So then, so we're about like,
00:25:39
Speaker
almost two weeks in from like the first symptoms. They pulled in classic demonologist Ed and Lorraine Warren. Man, they just got so much business. They are so busy in the 70s and 80s. Oh my god, so busy. But that's, of course, the couple that the Conjuring franchise is based on.
00:25:59
Speaker
Different cases, each movie is like a different case. So Lorraine said that you could see some sort of black mist next to David. Some kind of demonic presence was near him.
00:26:13
Speaker
They were also told by the family that they had seen David being beaten and choked by invisible hands and would have red marks on his neck afterwards. And this is like it starts to spiral out of control once the Warrens get involved, which I think is kind of like a lot of times why people think they're kind of like a hoax because
00:26:35
Speaker
It's like once they get involved, everything just gets worse. Yeah. That doesn't seem like a great reputation to have. Yeah. So David started growling. He would hiss. He would speak in other voices. He recites passages from the Bible or Paradise Lost. That's always bad, too. It's like that kid doesn't know that. It's like, no. Why does he have the Bible memorized? He doesn't.
00:27:01
Speaker
And okay, and so then they try to have exorcism. Lorraine says that David levitated during this, stopped breathing, and then demonstrated, okay, basically said that he foresaw the murder that this case is going to be about.
00:27:22
Speaker
So I don't know. That's what Lorraine says. And then in 1980, which I think or sorry, in October of 1980, and I just think this is very interesting, the Warrens actually contacted the Brookfield police to say to tell them about the situation and saying it was becoming more and more dangerous over there, which I thought was interesting. I was going to say that's good. Yeah, I think surprising that they would like contact. Yeah, please.
00:27:52
Speaker
Okay, so during one of these exorcisms they were working on with David, Arnie, the guy we're about to dive in on, was there. And I guess, I mean, the way it's depicted in the movie, I don't know if that's how this kind of happened, but basically,
00:28:14
Speaker
Arnie started coercing the demon and asking the demon to possess him instead, because also David's 11 years old. So he's like a little kid. So Arnie's like, take me, take me, take me. And apparently the demon was like, sounds good, bro. Which is just hilarious to me too. The demon's like, yeah, whatever. I'll switch. Sounds good.
00:28:41
Speaker
Basically, a few days after already egged on the demon said, you know, come in to me, he was in a car accident and he says that he was attacked by the demon and the demon took control of his car and drove it into a tree. Oh.
00:29:03
Speaker
OK, and and he was pretty much unharmed, but like obviously very stressful. And then so Arnie goes back to the rental house where all of this like had started and OK, so this is like I'm not really sure where this comes in, but there is some kind of well on the property and they had thought like this is where the demon like was like had initially lived or something. I don't really know.
00:29:29
Speaker
But basically, he says like this is he goes to the well, he looks in and he says he made eye contact with the demon. And that's when he was fully possessed, which I don't like that seems a little much to me, but that's yeah. OK.
00:29:48
Speaker
Okay, so Arnie and his girlfriend, they had been living in the home with the family, and eventually they moved out. His girlfriend Debbie was hired by this guy, Alan Bono, and he was going to be a dog groomer. I guess he ran some kind of dog grooming business. You also see that a little bit in the movie as well. Yes, I was going to say they're definitely dogs in the movie. Yeah.
00:30:14
Speaker
And Debbie and Arnie started renting an apartment close to where that was. And after they moved in, Arnie started acting more and more strange, starting to act very similar to David as he was becoming more and more possessed. And he apparently, according to Debbie, Arnie would fall into this kind of trance-like state. He would start growling. He would hallucinate. And then later he would have no memory of it. The growling.
00:30:43
Speaker
I know. Very icky. I think that'd be a deal breaker for me. If you start growling, I'm like... I think we could end it here. Thank you, sir. We're breaking up. Yeah. Okay. So the day that the murder actually happened, so February 16th, 1981, so this is like four or five months after the initial possession.
00:31:08
Speaker
Debbie was out somewhere. And so Bono, the guy that had hired her, he was kind of a known drinker. He was at the house. He was very intoxicated. And he had some kind of altercation with Mary, who was Debbie's nine year old cousin. So they were all at the house and there was some kind of altercation where he grabbed her or something that did not go well. So Arnie came over and was like, don't ever touch Mary. And then
00:31:37
Speaker
Yeah, seems seems normal. And then it started turning into this fight between Arnie and Bono, which is just kind of funny to say Bono, but. But apparently Arnie during the altercation started growling like an animal, got got like out of control, took a knife and started stabbing him repeatedly. He had four or five serious wounds in his chest and he died a few hours later.
00:32:08
Speaker
Sad. So first of all, this murder actually has two claims to fame. First of all, it being the first case where the devil made me do it is used in a courtroom. And the second, it's actually the first murder that had ever happened in Brookfield, Connecticut. Oh, wow. What? Which feels insane or impossible to me, but that's what they say.
00:32:34
Speaker
Wow. Okay. It was a quiet town. Yeah, it was a quiet town. So basically he went to court and I already said, you know, they were trying to say that he was not in control of his own actions. He was possessed by the devil. And eventually they kind of had to throw this out because they were like, this is not, there's no evidence for this. Right.
00:32:57
Speaker
The I guess the judge said that it was a relative, a relative and unscientific to allow this kind of testimony. So then Arnie decided to instead go for self-defense. And so they had to basically say like jury, you're not allowed to consider demonic possession as the reason for the killing. Like they had to scrap that, even though it had already been like put into court record.
00:33:26
Speaker
That makes sense. Got it. So the jury deliberated for 15 hours. It were three days and at the end convicted Arne Cheyenne Johnson, a first degree manslaughter. He was sentenced to 10 to 20 years in prison. He only served five. I never know why that happens. I know. Like what kind of like great behavior could you do? It's like I know you murdered someone, but like you've been a good boy. Like what? Like you did your job in jail.
00:33:58
Speaker
And so obviously this got a lot of media attention. Apparently there's a made for television film called The Demon Murder Case, which I am definitely interested in. The Warrens wrote a book called The Devil in Connecticut about this case.
00:34:14
Speaker
Lorraine Warren says that the prophets from the book were actually shared with the family. I hope that's true. That's nice of her. And then so there's a lot of speculation once again about the Warrens themselves. Some people say the whole story was a hoax and it was exploiting this family and the brother's mental illness.
00:34:35
Speaker
And they just kind of like concocted all of this to make sense of all of it, which I guess is always a question. And yeah, and then, of course, we have the 2021 film The Conjuring that made me do it. Wow. But that's basically the story of Arnie Cheyenne Johnson. Oh, and also, I mean, apparently after he asked the demon to come out of David into him, David like got better, apparently. So.
00:35:04
Speaker
I wonder. Yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know either. Most of the time I'm like a real, you know, probably mental in this person, but the telling the demon to go in you and the little kid getting better is like, it's like, well, maybe that worked. I don't know. And also like the little kid when I don't know, he wouldn't know enough to be like to know how to act like that happened.
00:35:32
Speaker
So it's definitely it's a weird case. It's interesting. It's a little misleading just because it seems like, you know, this was really used in the defense, but really it was thrown out pretty quickly. Yeah, because it was just like, you know, the judge was just like, nah, I'll also say that I really wanted the contrary. The devil maybe do it to be much more focused on the case itself. Yeah, I kind of wish it had been a little bit more like.
00:36:01
Speaker
I don't know, like about the trial and like the evidence and like stuff like that. But it ends up being much more of a classic conjuring, you know, kind of movie with a lot of like weird fictional additions as well. Yeah, that's right. And all this stuff like that has nothing to do with the original story. Got it. I was going to ask you. There's like nothing like that. No, no. Interesting.
00:36:28
Speaker
Yeah, but that's the story of Arnie Cheyenne Johnson. It's a very sad story regardless of whether it was real or not. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you for that. Glad to have heard a little bit about the true story. Yeah. All right. And I guess that's it, people. We hope you have some sweet, sweet nightmares. Bye.