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Interview with Boris Nedeltchev and Jules Veltin by Samuel Sunderland. The Numeramesh founders introduce themselves, explain their background and talk about Numeramesh, web3, the metaverse, artificial intelligence and the content of future episodes.
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Introduction and Podcast Format
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello, everyone, and delighted to be here again for this podcast. The one I previously published was an introduction to the podcast. From now on, podcast will be numbered. So this is podcast number one. Here we go.
Interview with Samuel Sunderland
00:00:16
Speaker
This podcast is an interview of Jules and myself by Samuel Sunderland. Sam has kindly agreed to play the role of questioner, a role that Jules and I will play regularly in future podcasts. Hi, Sam. Hi, Jules.
00:00:31
Speaker
Hi, Boris. Hi, Sam. Thanks for having me on the podcast. Happy today to take on the role of the questioner. So just a bit about myself before we hop into it. I'm Sam. I went to school with Boris, met him through the Student Association, Cryptosphere, Ren, and I've also worked alongside both Boris and Jule. I've been interested in trading and crypto since probably 2017.
00:01:01
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and I've just kept on it since. So yeah, hi Boris, hi Jule, I'll pass it on to Jule.
00:01:10
Speaker
Hey guys, what a pleasure to be back for this second podcast. Yeah, I'm thrilled to have some join us for this episode. It's amazing to think that despite knowing each other for so long, we haven't yet had the chance to meet in person. So we represent here today really adds a dynamic touch to our discussion. And I sincerely hope it won't be long before we can all meet face to face. This is a next 18 moment for all of us and I'm eager to dive into our conversation today.
00:01:38
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So yeah, I get ready because this podcast promises to be rich in ideas and fascinating perspectives. Yeah, definitely a lot of interesting things come in your way. We talked a bit about all the subjects that we're going to touch on. Obviously, we'll talk a bit more about it in this podcast and definitely stay tuned. So thank you, Jules, for introducing yourself. A couple of starting words before we kick it off.
00:02:05
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Yeah boys, can you please introduce yourself and tell us more about your first steps in all the web-free metaverse and AI world?
Boris's Bitcoin Beginnings
00:02:18
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Yeah, of course, so just for the anecdote, we have tried to register this episode and I have spoken in the wind because my connection got lost, so I hope that this time it will work. So I am originally from Burgundy and did all my studies in Dijon. I discovered Bitcoin one summer evening because someone I know is a computer expert.
00:02:40
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and asked me if I would ever heard of Bitcoin. I said no, I would never heard of Bitcoin. He said something along the lines of, I will show you, because knowing you, I think you will like it. He was totally right. And as it turns out, I have always had the passion for computers. Ever since I discovered the computer, I have spent an enormous amount of time in front of the screen.
00:03:05
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I am not going to talk at length about video games, but I was also a big geek whether on Xbox or Playstation. I have to say that I prefer Playstation. Anyway, I sold my Playstation during my graduate studies to avoid spending too much time playing the console. I am going to buy a Playstation again soon, because I am not able to stop spending day and night on it.
00:03:30
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So to come back to Bitcoin, I discovered Bitcoin one summer evening in 2017, and that night I didn't sleep. I watched videos by Andreas Antonopoulos, and read every article possible on bitcoin.effer, that is the number one blog dedicated to Bitcoin in France. Then I went to Ren School of Business, a business school in the north of France that is recognized as a top school in the same vein as Jure School. It's expensive, but there are top schools.
00:04:00
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Anyway, all summer long I'm like a kid, all summer long I have been reading and re-reading the Bitcoin white pepper. The thing is that at that time I'm not very good at English, I don't consider myself today super good in English, but now I have the feeling that I have a good comment of it.
00:04:18
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and yeah before entering business school in June I took a competitive entrance exam and a series of tests so that my school of and school of business could decide whether I had the level and personality to fit in one of the test was in an English test which I passed with a mark of 4 out of 20 and that's all there is to it my level of English was not really good so when I discovered Bitcoin I also realized that a lot of the available content was in English
00:04:44
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There was Asher, a well-known influencer in France, Bitcoin.faire, Lucerne du Coen, Claire Balva, and Alexandre Stachett and Co. and a few other people creating content, but frankly there weren't many people around. So as I was using Duolingo to learn English and application I studied yesterday and recommend to everyone, and translating articles mainly about sports to not don the vocabulary rewards I was missing, I thought I could kill two birds with one stone by translating content and sharing it,
00:05:14
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That's how I come with the idea of creating Cryptosphere, the first French student association dedicated to blockchain and crypto.
Founding Cryptosphere
00:05:22
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I know this will displace some people, but the reality is that Cryptosphere and SB is the first French student association registered with the prefecture to be present within a school. Cryptosphere Lyon or Cryptosphere France, call it what you will, was registered earlier, but it's not the first association within a school. It was ours and I'm pretty proud of it.
00:05:43
Speaker
And in fact, I have the impression that crypto's failure was created just to be first in the registers. I must admit that at the time I wasn't interested in being the first in the prefecture registers, nor was registering a trademark. I remember having lunar discussions with a lawyer about this and thinking what the
00:06:02
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We are a student and we are talking about registering the trademark. I don't want to work for cryptosphere in my life. I don't give a damn whether it's called cryptosphere or not. What we are really going to learn there and not what's going to stay. So it was a crash test for me and back then there were just a few of us really working to develop cryptosphere.
00:06:23
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Chibolong La Bertoulon, Ayman Tabat, Loïc Girole, May He Rest in Peace, Marie Ceccini, and Marie Anabo. That was for Cryptosferon Marseille. So if I missed anyone, I'm sorry. There was also Jean-Baptiste Barrou. Then there was us, Cryptosferon, Ludovic Benard, Timmy Guston-Rimac, Imad Amal, and Mathis Benard.
00:06:44
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And then there was Vlad Popelka, who helped us a lot out with some designs. Sebastian Oparillo, Aurelia Orel and Julien Baudin.
00:06:54
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There was also Emmanuel Marquette working to open the Cryptosphere in Lyon. So 120 people. And that's the beginning of the Cryptosphere story. I would like to write a blog article about my entire Cryptosphere adventure, and maybe we will speak also about Cryptosphere in this podcast with Yousam and other members of Cryptosphere N, because there is a lot to say about and the genesis of Cryptosphere. But the truth is that nobody from Cryptosphere N has explained the mentality of our association at the time.
00:07:22
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and one of the things I have always objected to is the fact that cryptosphere is a registered trademark owned by a single individual
00:07:30
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For those who know me well, you will know that this kind of thing is the sort of thing I don't really like much. I will stop here on the subject of cryptosphere history and simply finish by saying that I'm super proud to still be in touch with Yousam and other members of cryptosphere and we have known each other for six years now and having your support for every project for so long is invaluable to me.
00:07:54
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We will certainly also be doing an episode dedicated to our first professional experiences if you're interested. So Cryptosphere starts simply with a few students who are curious, have an entrepreneurial spirit and are looking to launch their first button in the sea.
Entrepreneurial Lessons from Mistakes
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Motivated young students wondering how much it cost to open a bank account, whether it's possible to organize conference, meetups, building a website, send out a newsletter and so on. I tested everything I could. I made all the mistakes I could make. I have always said and I still say to students today who have the entrepreneur spirit, if you have the opportunity to test something as an entrepreneur or approaches entrepreneur,
00:08:34
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Give it a try. If you have the opportunity to make a mistake, make it as quickly as possible. It's the best way to learn. Only those who don't try anything don't make mistakes. I have said it before and I will say it again. If you're an entrepreneur, your primary objective is to create your own business.
00:08:51
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logical. So don't work for someone else's brain. Create your association, your brain, your things. Don't take the easy way out. So sorry, I won't be advertising cryptosphere. I have said it before and I will say it again to all the student entrepreneurs listening to us. Open your own association. Sorry, don't take over someone else's association. I assure you, the adventure is nothing like it.
00:09:15
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The truth is, I'm in too mind on the subject because on the one hand you are benefiting from work of other people but on the other hand you are not starting from scratch.
00:09:24
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So my advice to you, however absurd or harsh it may seem, is to start from scratch. So that's it for my crypto debut. I have 20 euros in Bitcoin on the Mycelium wallet, and I created Cryptosphere Hand to train myself in English and blockchain technology because I know straight away that is going to revolutionize the digital world. It's very strange, I don't know about you guys, but for me, from the first seconds I have received my first satoshis, exploring the transaction on blockchain.com, I immediately understood that the
00:09:53
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a very large part of the digital future was going to happen on the blockchain. Thanks for that Boris. I think it's really interesting you touched on a couple interesting subjects. Notably I mean myself I was a bit of a geek and from that so I looked into computers playing games obviously you're looking at all the different ways to get free things and then that's one of the ways that I came across crypto actually.
00:10:20
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But it is an interesting topic. I think it's if you look at the history of crypto, it was a lot of enthusiasts. Some would say loads of geeks that were on it at first and then it became a bit more popular, a bit more mainstream, especially when the trading element grew.
00:10:37
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through time that might be a story to tell in itself the growth of crypto industry and blockchain and just the history of the community it's quite quite rich and one of the things that I quite enjoy about it that I think you touched quite a bit on is all the different people you get to meet
00:10:58
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Everybody's got different ideas. It's a space where everyone's trying to create, innovate, bring something new to the table. And having been part of Cryptosphere as well, it was a great environment for that. So thanks for that, Boris. And I mean, yeah, Jule, can you maybe tell us a bit more about your journey, how that was? Because I believe there are some similar points, but also some different ones. So yeah, could you just introduce yourself, please?
00:11:27
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Yeah, sure. Thanks Boris for your introduction and I totally agree with you about the
Jules's Crypto Journey
00:11:34
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things that everyone of this ecosystem want to bring something on the table and that's what makes this ecosystem amazing and why I'm really happy to work in this ecosystem.
00:11:52
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To give another view of my journey, everything starts in Nancy, where I grew up and spent my entire youth until graduation.
00:12:02
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Then the call of the OpenSea led me to Marseille to study Business and Administration at Ketch Business School. So at that time my professional future, if we can say it like this, was still unclear, but I was driven by first to explore and experiment. So this led me to embark on various entrepreneurial ventures from drop shipping to affiliate marketing and
00:12:27
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and even trading on traditional markets. So I was also involved in CAGED Finance Association, which was a significant stepping stone for my discovery of cryptocurrency. And then when the COVID crisis hit, cancelling my IOS miss plans and turning my course into an entirely online experience, I decided to make the most of this first free time by doing an optionary internship. So
00:12:56
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It was during this period that I contacted Tibubutru from Just Mining and I made thanks to him because I expressed to him my desire to dive into the world of crypto and webtree. So this led me to Walthio, a startup specializing in crypto tax management, where I met Boris, who was in charge of the customer support at this time.
00:13:21
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So this internship was a decisive turning point, strengthening my passion for the web2 ecosystem and laying the groundwork for my future collaboration with Boris. After this experience, our professional relationship continued to develop.
00:13:39
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Even when I went to study in Sweden, at this time I was focused on my studies, but I already had some ideas brewing in my mind. Boris already active as a consultant for various crypto projects, companies, exchange platforms of the sector. He proposed that we work together on an opportunity I greatly value.
00:14:06
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together we not only deepen our consulting activity but also explore brand development within this ecosystem. So as for my first encounter with Bitcoin, it dates back to something like 2017, maybe even a bit earlier. I remember first seeing Litecoin and Ethereum emerging initially thinking they were scam because for me it was only Bitcoin and at this point I only
00:14:36
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Learn and try to look in deep about Bitcoin. So yeah, it was amazing
00:14:44
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amazing research can transform our perception.
Future of Metaverse and AI
00:14:49
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I hope you get me. So that's my my journey. Yeah, I can go a bit more in details if you have some questions. Yeah, I'm passionate about entrepreneurship, finance, business, crypto and more recently artificial intelligence. So I'm convinced that the metaverse also will play your major role in the coming years.
00:15:12
Speaker
And these are all exciting topics that I can't wait to delve into further in our future podcasts. Yeah, as you said, Jusso, I think a lot of all these different topics, they're all one thing in itself, but they all do tie together. As I said previously, I mean, you've got the whole entrepreneurship finance side. I mean, Bitcoin really started kicking off.
00:15:36
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in its first ball run i remember at the time i was talking to a traditional finance guy worked in banking and i remember bitcoin was probably like six or eight hundred dollars at the time and he's like no this is a scam but and now today he's actually buying bitcoin so um
00:15:57
Speaker
the industry has evolved quite a bit and it's good to see. I mean and also I met Jules Froule-Boris, we got to work together on some things and notably content creation and that's one of the next topics I want to kind of touch on. So thank you Jules for that, for introducing yourself, telling us more about you so people know.
00:16:20
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And so, yeah, my next question for you guys is so, Boris, can you tell us a bit more about those early days of content creation? Because as you said at the beginning, there wasn't a lot of people around. All the content was in English. And even though there was English content out there, it wasn't a mainstream thing yet. So how how do you go about that? The early days of content creation?
00:16:49
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Yeah, of course, so regarding the first beginning of scone conjuation, something that I want to mention is that I have always been impressed by people who were creating stuff, not on the writing, but in general creation, something that you can say it's mine, even if you copied some part of someone else's art or whatever. I was really impressed by the concept of creation. So to continue on this subject, indeed, we talked about thrift as fair.
Content Creation Insights
00:17:19
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That's when I created content for the first time, writing content. And I mainly translated content from English to French and publishing it on Facebook, LinkedIn, a newsletter. I think it's a very good way, I repeat once again, to kill two birds with one stone.
00:17:39
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namely to learn a language and train on a subject that interests us personally or personally, I still do it today. I will speak in one of the future episodes of Sovelian Faux, that is one of my projects. I first wrote in English, now I translated the website in French, I will translate from French to Spanish.
00:18:04
Speaker
To return to blockchain and crypto and the why of the whole of new technologies, as I also said earlier, it's worth returning to my very first experiences with the computer and phones. I was lucky to have access to a computer and a phone very young. I think that for my father especially it was important for him that I was good at the computer because he quickly understood that our generation was going to do everything on the computer.
00:18:30
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and on the phone and I also think that he also very quickly understood the dangers and risks associated with these new technologies as he is from Bulgaria and during his use during communism espionage was done in the garbage cans for example he told me something that marked me which is if you want to know someone's life look in his garbage cans of course I have never looked at anyone's garbage cans but it's to illustrate a little
00:18:57
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life in a world during which espionage was common, freedom of speech was not present and freedom was very limited. And I think freedom has a cost yesterday.
00:19:09
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I registered the webinar with Yvonne de Latour who is working in BPA France that is a French form for entrepreneurship and he was saying don't think that blockchain is anonymous. If tonnado cash can mix the transaction they can be demixed. So digital responsibility is a subject that I want to address on this podcast and we will certainly come back to it a little later if you
00:19:29
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will please. In my opinion, it's a major topic, digital responsibility related to web3, metaverse and artificial intelligence. In short, I got a little lost, but I think it makes it possible to bring context to the ideas I would like to illustrate in this episode and the following ones.
00:19:50
Speaker
What I also want to say about content creation is that it's quite difficult to get started, to find topics, to decide what content to share, what content to keep for yourself and it will also be one of the topics I would like to discuss in this podcast. I'm passionate about content creation and the process is related to this content and we are passionate about it. I have the impression so I would like to say a few words about it.
00:20:14
Speaker
So after cryptosphere and after taking a few notes and thinking about how I want to share this content, I always had in mind that sharing my learnings as I discovered them was something I liked for several reasons. I recently tweeted an excerpt from a book by Austin Cleon entitled Show Your Work that explains that whether you share it or not,
00:20:35
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Documenting and recording your process as you go along has its own rewards. You will start to see the work you are doing more clearly and feel like you are making progress. And when you are ready to share, you will have a surplus of material to choose from. And indeed, sharing content advances someone, the person who creates it, who structures these ideas, but also the people who consume it.
00:20:58
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this content because it allows them to acquire knowledge on the field regardless of their level of expertise. And of course when I was young I didn't aim to create content, even if I still tried to organize some free radio shows at the time it was a very popular format.
00:21:15
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that consisted of discussing a lot of nothing on the air and it's a little like the podcast finally when I think about it, even the podcast is a bit more structured. So except that, we will not broadcast live podcasts at Numero Amesh, we will record them and prepare them in advance.
00:21:31
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But in short, some of you may remember free radios were this concept, in fact, we chose a subject and then we said what we wanted to say about it. We invited other people to interact with us and we moved on to another subject, etc, etc, until we fell asleep.
00:21:48
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So other than that I was rather a geek who played a lot of FIFA and Call of Duty in my other essence and here is a little bit for some anecdotes and one day after playing Call of Duty a lot a neighbor talks to me about the concept of peer-to-peer and bitter and so for those
00:22:03
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who listen us, I will try to explain simply what peer-to-peer and Bittorrent are. In fact, peer-to-peer was super trendy at the time. It was the fact of storing a file on your computer, for example, illegally downloaded video game and allowing someone else to download it thanks to a software that was called and still called, I think, because it seems to me that Bittorrent still exists. Bittorrent. And in fact, the more people store this file, the faster the file downloaded.
00:22:28
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It was also certainly used for legal purposes, but I admit that it was rather the fact of downloading games illegally that interested me at that time. Of course, I do not recommend anyone to do this. It's illegal and I put my parents at risk because the police could have disembarked and sized the computer. Fortunately, none of this happened. But in short, don't do anything illegal on the internet.
00:22:53
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I won't be able to repeat it enough. All this to say that this is my first step in the advanced computer world, we will say. So the day I discovered Bitcoin, one of the most important points of reach I realized is that it's also based on peer-to-peer technology, which therefore echoes with my other essence in this famous BitTorrent software.
00:23:13
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BitTorrent, Bitcoin, I realized that the founders did not get tired of inventing names of their project, you will tell me Numera mentioned the consulting either, like sometimes being simple and effective is more than enough. So in short to come back to the subject of Bitcoin and why did I immediately love this invention and then I give you the floor gentlemen, it's simply because immediately I imagine that you can replace money in the case of Bitcoin with anything that has value on the internet.
00:23:41
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We will have the opportunity to deepen the subject in detail in the next episode of the podcast in particular. But to finish this idea, I immediately understood that in fact Bitcoin, the fact that the Bitcoin is currently being exchanged when recording the podcast around 30,000, 35,000 maybe.
00:23:57
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when I discovered Bitcoin it was I was 21 years old so it was 2017 Bitcoin was worth 2000 or 2500 something like that and in short the value of Bitcoin in dollars or a row is good but its applications are even better for me in fact I remember that one of the major problems of the Internet is ownership and the Internet is very very hard to own and prove ownership of something so to return to my example of BitTorrent who can prevent me from
00:24:27
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buying a video game and then copying it and putting it on bitter end and sending it to my friends of course there are some copyrights some softwares and other protection but
00:24:38
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The main actor that can prevent me is the police. You will tell me and you are totally right, it's Ilegant. But between theory and practice there is a word and Ilegant music is still here, Ilegant films are still there, etc. So that's why I immediately understood that blockchain technology would make it possible to assign a serial number in a way to all digital items and that the internet will never be the same again.
00:25:00
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not only money, so I wanted to create content and make people realize about that to democratize this technology that seemed complex and I wanted to do my redemption somehow and help the internet become a better place if you want to see it like that. I like to modernize myself and see things like that even if I know it's a bit pretentious.
00:25:22
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Thank you for that, Boris. I think it's quite an in-depth view of how you got into the whole content creation, touching on a variety of subjects here. I like the little phrase about your dad looking in someone's trash, because you know the saying, one man's trash is another man's treasure. But yeah, with Bitcoin, I think it was all about
00:25:45
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bringing freedom as well in the beginnings and giving the power back to the people, which was something that existed in the peer-to-peer system that you described with BitTorrent. So, I mean, Zula, I'd be quite interested to see your take if you've got a couple of few words on how you got into content creation and also talk to us a bit more about New Miramish.
00:26:11
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Yeah, sure. I started content creation with some article, you know, creating some Twitter account, Telegram groups, sharing news information about crypto. I mean, it was a thing that a lot of people did in 2017, 2018. And also when the COVID crisis happened, because everyone were stuck at home and tried to
00:26:41
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to create some content about the ecosystem. I mean, I talk about people from the Webtree and crypto ecosystem. What I expect from Numieramesh is to establish itself as a leading reference in the file of Webtree while being at the forefront of development in artificial intelligence and metaverse.
00:27:04
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And I think our ambition is to create a space for technology enthusiasts, whether they are beginners or experts, can come together to discover the latest innovations, deepen their new age, and explore the multi-ply application of these revolutionary technologies.
00:27:25
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In terms of content creation, I aim to produce information and analysis that are rich in content, valuable and accessible. We will cover a wide range of topics from the basics of blockchain and cryptocurrency to emerging trends in decentralized finance, as well as recent developments in AI and advancements in the metaverse. I talk about DeFi, but
00:27:52
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a lot of new concepts emerge also, such as a game fight, a social fee, social fight. And yeah, there is a lot of things to cover. So it's really interesting to go in deep about information, understand it, share it with people, and democratize this ecosystem. Our approach will be multi-dimensional, combining
00:28:20
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articles, tutorials, expert interviews, case study, and also podcasts. The goal is to make the content educational and engaging using various formats to cater to different learning styles and interests of our audience. So a special focus will be placed on demastifying the technical concept of AI and the metaverse.
00:28:46
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We will explore their practical implications for businesses and everyday life and how these technologies are transforming the way we interact, we work and live. For example, just the way we work.
Work Transformation in the Metaverse
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I mean, now a lot of people work as an example, work remotely and they
00:29:07
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connect each other to the same space and work in a kind of metaverse. I mean, they will not necessarily deal information on the metaverse, but just to say, hey, I'm here. If you want to talk together, let's go. But yeah, I think it's a new way of working.
00:29:30
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In summary, with Numero Mesh, I expect to create a bridge between the technological advancement of web3, AI and metaverse, and our audience facilitating access to information, inspiring conversation and fostering a deep understanding of the digital revolution.
00:29:50
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And yeah, I hope I answered your question. I mean, I will really enjoy to talk about it more in deep. So yeah, guys, if you have some questions, let's ask.
00:30:03
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Right. Thank you for that. Um, I mean, it's, it's, there's definitely going to be stuff, a lot of content through these podcasts for, from the very beginner to the expert. I mean, we can go in depth on a multitude of subjects and I'd just like to move on to the main topic of numero mesh and
00:30:28
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Boris, can you share with us your views on web3, Metaverse and AI technologies? Because obviously with all these, we must be at the forefront of all this and a lot of opportunities come with it. So can you just give us your views on this? Yeah, of course. And to speak about what Jules has just said and what you say there. So some is that we are all beginners and experts at the end on different topics.
00:30:57
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No matter if you are coming from web3, metaverse or artificial intelligence, maybe you are an interfacial intelligence and I'm a web3 expert so we can learn about all different experiences and knowledge. To talk about the applications of blockchain, metaverse and artificial intelligence,
00:31:19
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interest Google and chat GPT to this very well so you just type on Google what are the best applications of blockchain metaverse and artificial intelligence so to give you my personal opinion that you will not find logic area on Google or chat GPT at least for now because who knows if one day this broadcast will not be automatically transcript on Google and chat GPT and my personal blog as well
00:31:42
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More seriously, as I said earlier, to talk about the blockchain, which is honestly the subject I know the best, I think all the money would be on the blockchain. I have very little doubt about it when I see all the banks getting into it and when I hear descriptions that mix Avi, A-U-V-E, I don't know how to pronounce it in English, decentralized liquidity, crypto protocol and GP Morgan in the same sentence.
00:32:08
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I tell myself that we will not wait long before a good part of the money is based on the blockchain. Moreover, a little earlier I said all the money will be based on the blockchain and in fact
00:32:20
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i think all the digital money will be based on the blockchain i don't believe that physical money will disappear or physical transactions will disappear and i don't want them to disappear so this is because i think it's still very practical and there will be always some concerns about access providers etc i'm not going to go into more details in this episode but basically if you don't own the hardware of your phone if you don't own the
00:32:45
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like Elon Musk is doing all the network, you don't want to transact basically on this network if we go really deep into that, but anyway. So if I project myself into 5, 10 or 20 years from now, I don't see how cryptocurrencies will not be common currencies.
Blockchain's Role in Future Currencies
00:33:05
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I imagine a lot of tokens of all types, Azure will be much better placed than me to talk about it.
00:33:13
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but I think we will almost have all our own token in a way. Finally, I would rather say that everyone who wants it will be able to create their own token, a little like everyone can create content on the internet today. We saw the evolution a few years ago, content creators were not as numerous as they are today. And today, anyone can connect as we do there and create content, whether it's a podcast,
00:33:39
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or any other type of content. However, there is still a big barrier to untry regarding the creation of a token based on blockchain technology and it's normal. Creating a token is somehow like creating a currency. Not everyone needs to create a currency. So in my opinion, regarding cryptos, they will be much more than today and it will be exciting to see how they will interact with each other. I take a basic example, but how FIFA tokens can be exchanged with Call of Duty tokens. Today if I play FIFA,
00:34:08
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and I spend hours on the Ultimate Team and I spend 1,000 euros on cards on FIFA. On my PlayStation my 1,000 euros are lost as soon as a new FIFA comes out. Same for Call of Duty, today I play Call of Duty, I spend hours playing and I buy for 1,000 euros of accessories and other online services. The 1,000 euros are lost as soon as the new Call of Duty comes out.
00:34:30
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And of course, I don't own anything. I can't take out my FIFA cards or my Call of Duty accessories. This is also one of the reasons why I stopped playing FIFA and started playing Saware. We will have the opportunity to talk about it again in another podcast as well.
00:34:45
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So yeah, I also can't exchange my FIFA cards with another player who has kind of these accessories. And I believe the web3 will allow this kind of exchange. Will FIFA agree to sign the deal to exchange their items? I don't know, but gaming is a subject that I'm passionate about and that we will also cover very soon. So here is it. The real economy as well as the virtual economy will be largely based on the blockchain for some time, in my opinion.
00:35:13
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We could also spend hours discussing all the sectors potentially impacted by the blockchain, but if we did that, I could talk for 30 minutes, so I would stop there for the blockchain. We will go into much more detail in the next episode. Then regarding the Metaverse, to be very honest, I'm not a Metaverse expert. I don't consider myself a blockchain expert, even if I have said so, I can begin to consider this idea. Neither a crypto expert, but Web3 is a subject that I must have much better than Metaverse and AI.
00:35:43
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A great experience I had in the metaverse was a job fair. So I can imagine that for all professions, community manager, customer support, developers, etc. In short, all IT professions, if I had to summarize, it's not necessarily necessary to travel to a job fair to find work. We can do it online. I have worked with Asian companies, so I have never lived in Asia. However, I'm convinced that nothing replaces human interactions.
00:36:12
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a profession that is always taken as an example by investors especially those who invest in metaverse projects is the profession of hairdresser because according to them it's impossible it's possible to replace the hairdresser technically speaking but emotionally speaking to be styled by the machine or to be styled by someone who looks at us who asks us questions who listens to us and tells us about this life
00:36:40
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It will be difficult to replace. I can't imagine people getting the hair done in the metaverse. But again, I'm not an expert so I can be totally wrong. In my opinion, the metaverse will allow doctors to train remotely without having to go to each university or hospital to study this or that surgical technique.
00:36:58
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The metaverse will also certainly make it possible to be treated remotely by robots, controlled by doctors with crazy precision. And finally, I don't know if it's possible, but in any case, that's what I dream of. Then of course, they are, as I said earlier, all the application related to events. Some events organized online can prevent us from flying and polishing to meet.
00:37:26
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I admit that I am faced with a paradox that will often come back as this podcast is ecology in digital. I have the impression that digital and ecology are two opposite concepts.
00:37:39
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But once again, we will have the opportunity to discuss it. So on the one hand, I love participating in events, but if I have to fly to meet people, it's not great for the planet. Last time I was listening to an interview of Jean Marc Jean Cubisi, who is an expert in France and ecology, and he explained that if every person on the planet had the same rights regarding the plane,
00:38:00
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In order to preserve the planet in its current state, it would be appropriate to fly four times in each person's lives from today. These kind of things make me think, so will the metaverse be eco-friendly? In my idea award, I wish it wholeheartedly. I would really like the metaverse to create links. I would really like to break this idea of saying that everyone is on their phone and no longer talks to anyone and rather democratize the idea.
00:38:25
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that new technologies allow a new reason where everyone is more accessible, more digitally responsible, ecologically can easily exchange and distribute new age. Whether with the youngest or the oldest, so I'm convinced that the metaverse will be a super powerful place of exchange.
00:38:44
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Oh, I don't know. To be very honest, I have not yet thought much about it and it's also the purpose of this podcast and Numera Mesh to discuss these topics and learn more. I would be the first to learn about the metaverse and I'm super excited about this idea because I look forward to discussing with our guests on these topics as well as writing articles on this topic.
00:39:04
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Finally, regarding artificial intelligence, I have very little experience with chat GPT and as with the metaverse. I'm not an expert, but rather a beginner and an enthusiast. Chat GPT helps me a lot with repetitive computer tasks. On the other hand, chat GPT to write emails, understand emotions and provide emotions.
Learning Languages with AI
00:39:24
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About me, it's rather disappointing. It's disappointing because I don't have to send the prompts well.
00:39:29
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And I'm aware of it. It's certainly not only Chajepiti's fault and it's certainly part of mine. But in any case, artificial intelligence in my case helps me learn languages. I can talk to Chajepiti in Spanish and he answers me in Spanish. I can speak to Chajepiti in Russian and he answers me in Russian. I can also learn to code thanks to Chajepiti. He is a great teacher.
00:39:50
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And I will be brief on the subject of artificial intelligence because I think Jules has many more interesting things to say than me on the subject. And I will say that my current vision regarding artificial intelligence is that it's really a 50-50 job. For 50% of the work, artificial intelligence can help us to do it. For 50% of the work, we human beings can help artificial intelligence to do it.
00:40:13
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But as with every single live, we have nothing without anything. So artificial intelligence will bring nothing interesting if we don't work hard for it. Being an unreturned, even with artificial intelligence, will be super difficult.
00:40:28
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Thanks for that, Boris. I think that's interesting that you touched on chat GPT. It's a great tool, but it needs to be used properly and especially effectively.
Conclusion and Future Prospects
00:40:39
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I think that comes to a wrap for this podcast. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Thank you, Jules. Thank you, Boris, for taking the time to answer these questions. Really appreciate it. And obviously there's a lot to come, so everyone stay tuned and we'll see you in the next podcast.