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America Is Gon' America Part 2
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We’re officially into the third season of The Lounge, and we have a lot to unpack for you guys 🎉! So get ready to join us as we discuss the highs and lows of Junteetnth, Minority Mental Health Awareness Month, the overturn of Roe v. Wade, celebrity relationships and situationships, navigating inflation and a potential recession as a medical student, and so much more!
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Disclaimer: The opinion and views expressed on our podcast do not reflect the official stance of the Student National Medical Association.
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Podcast Introduction & Disclaimer
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The view expressed on his podcast represent only those of the hosts and do not represent the views of the Student National Medical Association.
2022 AMA Research Challenge Announcement
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Call for Abstracts has opened for the 2022 AMA Research Challenge. Abstracts will be accepted into one of six topics, basic science, clinical and translational research, clinical vignettes, health system science, medical education innovation, public health, and health policy. Enter for the chance to showcase your research.
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included on your CV and win a $10,000 grand prize from sponsor L'Orélle Rode. The submission deadline is July 12th, 2022 at 11.59 p.m. Central. Let's get to it.
SNMA Presents the Lounge: Season 3 Introduction
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Welcome to SNMA Presents the Lounge. Whether you're in the student lounge, doctor's lounge, or lounging around at home, get ready to join SNMA for meaningful conversations on topics affecting minorities in medicine and groups that often sit at the margins of healthcare.
Vacation Essentials Discussion
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I'm student Dr. Isabella, and welcome to the third season of the lounge.
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It's officially summer. And for some of us, you know what that means. We outside, okay? What Earth 3 must have items you're taking on vacation with you is the question of the day. So my three items I'm taking on vacation.
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I think definitely my phone because you have to document what's going on, you gotta get on Instagram, get on whatever, take those boomerangs, so of course my phone. I also think I'm gonna bring good sunscreen just because I feel like it will probably be really hot. My skin would get, it would just be really angry with me if I didn't have a good protection for it, so I feel like sunscreen is where I would be taking on vacation with me
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I see myself going to like some kind of an island or a beach, like if I actually wanted to plan a vacation. So that means a lot of sun exposure. So I got to protect myself from that. So my phone, sunscreen, and I think I would bring like a really good. I think I'd bring like like an outfit, like a really nice outfit.
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Um, I don't know. Like I'm confused because on vacation, I'm not bringing just three things with me. So like I see myself going out. So like I would need at least a good outfit to go out. Right. Like whether it's like like a lounge or a bar or something like that. So I probably would like just have a outfit I could lounge and be comfortable in. But I mean, then again, I could wear that on my back, but I also don't like to wear like something the whole day. I like to change outfits and stuff like that. So probably I'd bring like a really good outfit, but like this is like
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Just to answer this question, y'all know my suitcase is gonna be over-packed on any vacation. So the reaction is not even like, that's just not happening. But anyway, what do you guys bring in on vacation with you? So this is a doctor, Alduin, not student doctor anymore. I just had to realize that when I read the script real quick, but that's crazy. Yeah.
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Appreciate that. Thank you. I love it. I love it. I love it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. But like, for some, three of the items I'm going to bring is my PS4, because I love my PS4. I stay on the video being waved all the time. Seriously? Come on, what you mean? Like, I'll be active. On vacation? Yeah, what you mean? I'm always on my vacation wave when I have my PS4. Yeah, OK. So I'll support. You know what I mean? I said the outfit. So listen, it's better than what? That's a fluff.
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Now right now I'm playing this game called Biomutant. So it's a game where it's like little, basically humanity has left Earth or most of humanity has died. So all the animals that are remaining, they got basically like some type of like genetic mutations and now they like active like humans and you got like swords, guns, and they fight each other and you got to save Earth.
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by finding the tree of life. Anyway, that's the game I'm on right now. I'm a geek. Don't hate on it. Don't hate the game. On vacation? All right. Yes. Yes. I said what I said. All right. My second item.
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My second item is going to be my box of books, you know what I'm saying? Because I love reading, love educating myself. Right now, I'm reading this book right here. It's called Color of Money Black Manxing and the Racial Wealth Gap by Marissa Baradaran. Wait, Alwyn, did you attempt when you tried saying that person's name? Did you even make an attempt? What's their name? Can we see the book? Yeah, it's right here. Wait, my question is, Alwyn, did you say you're bringing a box of books?
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Not a, I mean, yeah. Oh, well, we're going on vacation. I'm never going on vacation with you. If you bring a box of books, Aldwyn. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Put it like in the whole, you know, and I got free bags. I mean, I got free.
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I got free bags with Delta, you know what I'm saying? So I'm going to take advantage of it. Why not? And I got my little, I don't need that much, you feel me? I'm going to let you finish. And then my last one, my last one is I'm going to bring a shorty with me. I don't know who it is, but you know how I'm going to bring a shorty with you on vacation. Expecting that. Oh my gosh. You got to enjoy. You know what?
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I'm Erica with these answers. Aldwin is bringing sand to the beach. He's bringing a box of books and a PSO. He's going to be hemmed up in the hotel room and the shorty is going to be upset with you because why are you playing PS4 on vacation? That's cap. What if she's what if she is shorty or likes watching me play video games and we have book journals together. So we read it together in a room with the water and the sun hitting us. You know what I'm saying? We got the sunscreen on and then we got our discussion going on. You feel me on the beach.
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a shorty who likes to watch and play PS4. Ladies, you've heard it first. This is what all would require. So this is hilarious. What's up, y'all? It's student Dr. Erica Dingle. So I am also bringing my SPF. This is
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Well, I won't put out which one I use because they're not paying us for the podcast, but I'm bringing a nice SPF sunscreen. I'm also bringing a really cute and comfortable pair of heels, like a trusty dusty pair for when I decide to go out dancing. How high? I can't even do past like three and a half anymore, Alwyn.
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It's best for dancing because you know, there are like sitting heels like if they're four inches Then I need to be walking into the restaurant and sitting my behind down But if it's a dance night, you know, I could do like a three
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maybe three and a half. Yeah, three and a half is my cutoff, so I'm with you. Man, y'all heard it here. They don't do above. If you like women with over five-inch heels, you heard it here. Who likes that? I'll do it, but I, no, there's, you know, I feel like those are fashion, why are we talking about shoes now? I ain't even finished. Anyway, but let me address this. I feel like I will do that, but like I said, I'm walking into the establishment and sitting down for the remainder of the night. That is not a walking shoe height.
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You heard it first. And then the third thing I would bring is I have this really nice pair of Ray-Bans. They're like the reflective ones because I don't like people looking into my eyes through my sunglasses. And if I'm on vacation, I know it's going to be a sunglasses in Advil. Last night was mad real night. So I like, I need my sunglasses. The ones where nobody can see what I look like from the night before. And those are my items. Yeah.
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That makes sense. Sorry, I'm going to circle back to the heels real quick, but what I mean is guys actually care about how high your heels are. They're looking for women in five-inch heels. There's some women out like that. They do. They'd be out here. They do. They're not going to see me out here. That's crazy about it.
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It already feels like we've started Run the List, but we haven't. So let me introduce it. It's our favorite portion of the show, right? It's Run the List time for our preclinical students. Running the patient list on the wards allows the team to address pressing matters of the day. So in this segment of the show, as always, we will be discussing some recent events in medicine, as well as entertainment, political information as well, affecting our communities and the populations we serve.
Gun Violence & Legislation
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Um, so we'll get into it now and we're going to start with some stuff that happened last month, uh, specifically Juneteenth, our celebration or this month, rather this month, sorry, Juneteenth. Um, I, I'm very upset that it's now a federal holiday. I feel like they could have kept that and just left it to the, to be the celebration that it was once was for our community. I mean, I've seen so many.
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different ads, flyers, sales, it's like leave us alone. But in addition to that type of senselessness occurring, there was a shooting of a 15 year old by the name of Chase Poole in Washington DC at the Mocella festival. And three others were injured. The gunman is still at large.
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I mean, should we even touch on how crazy gun violence is right now in the United States? I don't think we have. It just seems like every day, yeah, like we just inundated, like even in my hood, like in the Bronx, every day, somebody, Lil T.J. just got shot, one of the rappers that is from my area. And it just seems like it's like a never ending sight
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And Congress, I don't know if you guys know, like recently they passed some laws to make it more stringent for those between the age of 18 and 21 to get access to guns. But is it, again, the question is, are we ever doing enough? And it seems like we're never doing enough. And we've averaged more than one mass shooting a day since the beginning of 2022. And this is included too, right? Where it's at least three people that are shot or injured
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outside of the actual shooter. I mean, so I don't know, man. Like I don't want to be like, it's like, are we becoming like desensitized to this over and over again? When is enough ever going to be enough? Like, how do y'all feel about? It's crazy. Yeah, I think it's definitely, it's just sad to see because I had hope that maybe after
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And I don't even want to speak specifically like say to like gun violence, I think it's its own entity of like violence, right? And you have violence in so many forms. But I think like gun violence is his own thing. And I think that at least I want to say that like, say after George Floyd, which isn't gun violence, right, but was still a senseless murder, maybe maybe Americans would like have a little bit they would have, you know, gotten a little bit more and they're not good about just senseless violence. And now
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we also kind of ignored this other aspect to it, like another aspect to violence, which is people having access to guns, which is still clearly a part of our amendment, something that it seems like we're kind of moving a little bit slow with how we want to address that in terms of like gun control. I think when we had Trump as president, that continued to remain something that was shoved under the table because people kept wanting to say I want my guns and like no one really
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spoke about it, no one really actually tried to talk about this issue. And now I think it's become even worse because we have other events that we're even going to talk about later on in this podcast episode about people using guns senselessly in tragic situations. And I think this is kind of a wake up call that we need to really figure out how do we want to create actual gun control laws in our society to help prevent these things from further occurring.
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It's another thing we need to think about. And as Biden being our president, that is definitely something that he needs to be waking up about. There's a lot of things he needs to wake up about, but that's something that definitely needs to be added to his list. Great. It's just sad, because according to the Gun Violence Archive, as of June 25th,
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of this year, the total number of murders due to gun violence stands at 9,545. Sheesh. And this is six months into 2022, almost seven months in.
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That's sickening. Let's lighten it up a little bit because we're definitely going to get into some heavy earth stuff later. So at the good old Something in the Water Festival, that's for real.
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Timberlands festival, right? I think it started in Virginia first and then they moved it to DC this year. So Justin Timberlake, he attempted, did y'all saw the video?
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Did y'all see him? That was ridiculous. He attempted to beat his feet. And so I've seen multiple reviews on this little clip that I've seen. And I'm not from DC, but I have an immense love for DC culture, especially of that era, the go-go, heavy go-go era.
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When I came, went into Hampton, that was 2002. Everybody was beating their feet. So it was a big deal. And I saw somebody say like, listen, he was doing exactly what we were doing back in the day. It just got a little weird at the end. So it's a dance that comes out of go-go music. And, you know, he didn't necessarily represent the culture of DC. Well, he,
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He apologized, Justin apologized stating, I had a long talk with both of my feet or he apologized to his feet. Wait, what am I saying? He apologized.
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to his feet stating, I had a long talk with both of them individually and said, don't you ever do that to me again. But bigger than that, I think it's funny because everybody's getting older, these artists. Like Jenny Wan was out here doing his old school body roll and he wasn't rolling anywhere. He was body standing. So. There was a lot not going on in that. Yeah. So I don't know. I think he did his best.
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You know, listen, we could just say no comment and keep it pushing. I will say an echo, which you said that DC is also a place that is near and dear to my heart because that's where I spent four years of my life. And it's a city that I love.
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And I have seen multiple people try and beat their feet and someone even attempted to teach me. I said, no, thank you. I'm not from here. I'm from New Jersey. I don't need to learn it. I don't need to disrespect you guys in your culture. So I'm just going to, you know, refrain. That's something he could have done as well. But, you know, it already happened. So we're just going to we're just going to move past that. But yeah, we I think we appreciate the apology. Right. At least he tried. He apologized. He realized his wrongs. So, yeah.
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I accept his apology, even though I'm not from DC. I think he needs to apologize more so specifically to DC residents. I think it hurt them a little bit more. Well, you got to still show love for him though. Like you said, it's an attempt at accounts and their intentionality.
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was with positive, you know what I mean, at the end of the day. He, you know, Justin, he's a, he's a, he's an amazing dancer. I mean, he does, you know, Chris Brown level, but like for white boy, he could, he could hold it down. He's just getting older. Well, that's the thing. And that that's my, that's my point. Like, I think we need to extend a little bit of grace to these older artists. Like they still out here. It can't,
00:16:39
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I don't want to, how do I say this? Imagine a genuine. His stomach was looking crazy. You just give them a little bit of grace. That's all I'm saying.
00:16:57
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But yeah, so let's bring in the health atmosphere because this is a health podcast, right? So we got to talk about medical related things. It is there's actually a couple of awareness months this month, but two that we're talking about one being first National Minority Mental Health Awareness Month. So this was created in 2008.
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To bring awareness to the unique struggles that underrepresented groups face in regards to mental illness in the US So I think this is just like like outside of like all the stats that we could talk about I just think this is like has been an issue in the black community, which is kind of addressing mental health, you know issues kind of the
00:17:37
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this silent culture and the shame when someone is dealing with something that's a mental health issue in the Black community, I feel like it's just a lot of, oh, just go to church, pray it away, or talk to family members. But then people don't understand that it's an actual, it's a brain circuit issue that causes these
Mental Health in Minority Communities
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things. And the same way that you would go to the doctor to get your heart checked or get your
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your lungs checked, like you should be also making sure that your mind is okay. And I think that like we are still so far behind in the black community when it comes to addressing this. And of course we have our doctor in residence, Dr. Aldwin who is an
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neurologist, but who also has a very great background in psychiatry. So, you know, I feel like he can speak more to this, given that this is his field of choice. Yes, sir. I'll see what you got to say. I like that segue, you know, but he's kind of like a budding psychiatrist as well. I like the language. Now he's speaking to me.
00:18:37
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You may have to keep it. I just finished my psychiatry rotation. And you know, it's great, but it's not for me. So I saw good. You know, speaking to mental health, you know, even recently, I even signed up my residency at UConn actually allows us to do free counseling.
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and they have like a whole page of counselors, and three of them are black, which I was very happy to see, because it's very important, as well as finding out mental health providers, also finding providers that you could potentially relate to at the end of the day, and then seeking that resource and taking that initiative for yourself, because if your mental state is not taken care of, then how do you take care of your physical state? How do you take care of the things that you need to take care of on a day-to-day basis, right? Because everything from my perspective is from a holistic
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understanding and so I think it's really critically important for us again to address these issues which I love that we do on this podcast but we got to take it to the next step and directly bring it to the community like bring it to the barbershops bring it to the basketball courts and let people know like yo it's cool to go to mental there mental health therapy talking to psychotherapists talking to psychiatrists
00:19:49
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talking to a social worker, whatever the means necessary, in order to have your things in order. And for instance, like, a lot of my homies, like, one of my homies, he was telling me the other day, like, yeah, I'm not gonna see nobody, like, I don't wanna see, it makes me look crazy. And I just have to sit there with him and talk to him, like, bro, it doesn't make you crazy. It actually makes you much more of a man because you're addressing the traumas, which he faced. He dealt with a lot of, you know, domestic violence, seeing his mom growing up, getting unfortunately beaten by her ex-husband, and then also experiencing
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domestic violence onto himself and sexual abuse issues as well. And so I said, bro, like we gotta acknowledge the fact that that is affecting your behavior and your relationships with people, including myself and how you see the world. And so especially we as black people, we've dealt with trauma for so long, but we never understood the importance of addressing this. And I think this month we definitely need to take that initiative and put it out there. It's cool. It's actually cooler than holding a gun to go see a mental health therapist. It's cooler than being in the streets.
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to go see a mental health therapist. Make it cool again. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's cool. Right. Make it cool, period. I like that. And it's not just for black people, right? I mean, because this is minority mental health awareness month. So, I mean, I don't know how other populations, minority populations feel, but just some stats, you know, not just with the African-American community, but the overall death rate from suicide
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For American Indian, Alaska Native adults is about 20% higher as compared to the non-Hispanic white population. And then in 2019, suicide was the leading cause of death for Native Hawaiians, Pacific Islanders, and Asian Pacific Islanders ages 15 to 24.
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So we're talking other populations, right? Not just black people. Suicide attempts for Hispanic girls from grades nine through 12 were 30% higher than that for non-Hispanic white girls in the same age group in 2019. And then, you know, bringing it back to the black or African-American community in 2019, suicide was a leading, second leading cause of death for blacks or African-Americans ages 15 to 24.
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Um, the death rate from suicide for black or African-American men was four times greater than for African-American women in 2018. And to your point, Alwyn, you know, having this conversation, I don't know if your boy was black, Asian, Hispanic, but he's okay. So blackmail, you know, having these conversations, it's definitely important in that community because they just feel strong. They feel like I'm untouchable. Maybe nothing can help me. And there, there definitely is an avenue to take to help.
00:22:38
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So yeah, I completely agree. I think this is a great Awareness Month tooth that we should think about, dwell on, and continue to remind ourselves throughout the year that this is an issue that continues to affect all minorities. And also, yeah, so just kind of making sure that we always keep that in the back of our minds.
00:23:01
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the National Minority Mental Health Awareness Month is the month of June, which is also summertime, which is also a time that we have, you know, vacation, like kind of live our lives. But then we're also in the health profession, so we always want to kind of still stay in tune with those issues that goes on. But we have been talking about, we started off talking about something heavy with the gun shooting that happened in D.C. at the Mocella Festival.
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And I alluded to the fact that gun control has been kind of non-existent, I would say, in our country. And it's affected us in horrible, horrible ways. But even on a larger scale, it's affected families and kids more recently with the horrible Rob Elementary School shooting that occurred not too long ago in Ulvah, Texas. And that, I know, was very, very
00:23:58
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uh, detrimental to so many people, educators, parents, siblings, just everybody to any human being, honestly speaking, like, like anyone who hears an elementary school shooting, like that's not something you ever want to hear because what, like that's kids, like kids are supposed to be the ones who are going to carry the next generation forward and continue to
00:24:20
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you know, keep this earth going. So why would you even touch someone, you know, touch a kid like this doesn't make any sense. So, you know, where's a lot of people are still recovering from that news. I know I still like I'm recovering from it personally. And, you know, apparently what they've decided to do is actually to destroy the school, which I think is a pretty good decision. Yeah, I think it's a pretty good decision because
00:24:45
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To me, there's nothing good that you can ever think about that school anymore after something is tragic like that happening. And just to kind of getting to a little bit of the statistics, so it was a month ago that an 18-year-old, so a legal adult, fatally shot and killed 19 children and two teachers. The superintendent, Hal Harold, said that we're not going back to that campus, quotes,
00:25:12
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And our kids, our staff, were not going back. No one's going back to the school. They've decided to destroy it. And of course, there have been other shootings in the past. There was the Parkland shooting in 2018. They closed the school. They rebuilt it. There was a Sandy Hook shooting in 2013, which I remember very, very clearly. I think that was the first time I really heard of a shooting happening when I was still in grade school. And that kind of really...
00:25:38
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Yeah, like I feel like that really affected me. It really made me more scared to even attend school just knowing something like that could happen. So it's just crazy how we, you know, this is still happening in our society that we're still having these shootings. Like I can't even imagine like how we still keep getting to this point of tragic shootings in large, like in schools. It just doesn't make any sense. And so I do want to kind of just speak to the fact that we really need to, once again, gun control, something that's very,
00:26:07
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you know, important, very necessary. And I don't know what you guys personally think, you know, about this Rob Elementary School, like them destroying the school and kind of like everything that happened. I know it's very emotional for everybody who talks about the topic, but what are you guys' thoughts kind of about the situation? I'm all for it. Go ahead. I would say like for me, like I'm definitely in support of it because there's so much trauma in essence. I mean, we talk about, you know, I was reading an article and
00:26:35
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one of the parents of a child that was killed, they recently had a high school graduation and he couldn't attend his nephew's high school graduation because number one, it was traumatic for him and number two, he was actually at a congressional hearing talking about gun control and gun violence and specifically how it affected
00:26:55
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his family at the end of the day. And there's so many ways that you could dissect this. And through my readings, I'm like, they failed those children. And it's so sad. Those beautiful faces, we'll never be able to see them again. Their parents will never get to attend their wedding, maybe some of them wanted to go to med school, attend their medical school graduation.
00:27:20
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And so to even be able to speak to this and it becomes something so constant that is happening every single day, we gotta do better. I feel like our priorities are not set astray in this country.
00:27:35
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And again, we'll talk about abortion and Roe v. Wade later on as well. But it's just so much going on that we're targeting the wrong things and fighting. It seems like the issues that are important, like you mentioned, Isabella, these children are our future. And without our future, we are nothing. The last thing that we need to worry about is if we're protecting our kids.
00:27:56
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You know what I mean? That should not be a fear that you bring your child to school and at the back of your mind, you at work and it's like, is my kid going to be shot today? I'm sure that's a lot of parents' fears right now. You feel me? And even one of our podcast members, Liz, shout out to her, she's a teacher and she talks about the fact that she's dealt with the trauma of having to go to school, teach her kids.
00:28:20
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and this come up and being undated with this, how uncomfortable is that? These bullets don't have names on them. I don't want to curse, but I feel type of way. This dude just pulled up and just shot these kids. He's just shooting kids and whatever, and then he lives, and he dies, and then he moves on, and nobody ... You know what I'm saying? There's no repercussion to that. It's cowards.
00:28:44
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It's cowardice. Straight up. When I do this to our kids, you feel me? So our government, y'all need to step up. This is not right. And I'm not feeling, I'm not digging that. And I wish I could do more. And I feel like I'm just a little pawn that doesn't have the action to take place and make the changes that needs to be there. But we really got to put our hands on this situation because it's really getting out of hand. Yeah. And it's the implications beyond the today.
00:29:10
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the beyond the actual months or the, you know, the months after the tragedy occurred. Like this was a heavily populated Hispanic area. And I know I just mentioned the stats that were according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the Office of Minority Affairs, I believe that these students that have lived through the tragedy now, they they become a part of that population that is
00:29:40
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at risk for suicides and depression. They lived through it. They had to, there was a young, young lady who put blood on herself and laid there dead, pretending to be dead. So that she would, so like what type of trauma, I mean, you can't even, you don't scratch the surface of the word trauma when you have a child that has experienced that,
00:30:10
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that lived experience. I mean, that's not something you are ever raised to think that you'll have to live through. And their minds are so impressionable, like they're developing, like who knows what this is doing to how their neurobiology continues to develop even. So sad all around, I'm in support of them destroying the school and I hope that everyone that was affected
00:30:37
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Especially in that close of proximity gets the help that they need. And to your point, all of our government has to do better. They let us down on the daily. And I don't know. I have no faith in this country anymore. We could discuss that later. That's a fact.
00:30:57
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Yeah. And it's funny, I just said I have no faith in our country. Do you guys ever wonder about having faith in the medical community?
Ethics in Medicine: Documentary Discussion
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Because we entrust, we entrust them with so much and not sure if everybody is tuned in. I think all of us have watched it. There's a documentary on Netflix entitled Our Father.
00:31:24
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And it's about a former fertility doctor, Dr. Donald Klein, who used his sperm to father roughly 50 some odd children in Indiana throughout the 70s and 80s without the consent and knowledge of his patients. And the notion was these women were unable to have children and he was using medical residents that he was working with closely. He was supposed to use their sperm to artificially inseminate these women.
00:31:53
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And instead, he was the person who these children ended up being fathered by. Talk about being vulnerable in that type of space as a woman. You're trusting the person that is showing concern.
00:32:13
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is the expert. And now you have to tell your husband, one of the women says she told her husband and he said, this man has taken everything from me. And this was 25 years later. Um, it just, it's, it's devastating. It was really sickening to watch. Like this is one of the shows I was like, I hate that we're talking about this cause I'm upset and disturbed, but it's just a lack of trust overall, um, for so many things. How did y'all feel about the documentary?
00:32:45
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Honestly speaking, I'm going to keep it a stat because we only do honesty on this podcast. I did not watch it. I have been like, well, you've been busy. So it's understandable. I was with the wet. I was a part of a wedding yesterday. Like since then, I've been just like flying all around like a crazy person. The wedding was great. I had a great time.
00:33:02
Speaker
But, you know, I've been very busy. But of course, I never come unprepared to our podcast episodes. So I, you know, read up on time.com kind of about the whole background of the documentary. I do still plan to watch it for sure, but kind of wanted to add this point because I know I had people telling me, oh, you need to watch it, kind of giving me different pieces of the puzzle with it. But the biggest point actually was that
00:33:29
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This, I think also why they call it our father is because it's supposed to have like a religious connotation to it. So this doctor actually did it mostly because of his religion. So apparently he's a part of some extremist Christian sect called quiver Cole.
00:33:44
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which encourages followers to reproduce as prolifically as possible to meet God's mandate, to be quote unquote fruitful and multiply. They love using this and they love taking a little verse in the Bible and just spinning it on its head. They love doing that. They're not gonna catch me with those Bible verses. So that's a day.
00:34:05
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Yeah, so basically, I think the quiver call like ideology kind of is based in a lot of white supremacist like underpinnings and it basically promotes like periodical gender ideologies and all of that stuff in European like blue eye blonde hair, whatever, that kind of stuff that like the Aryan race type of thing. So it's also giving a little bit of Hitler it's given a little bit of that as well. But yeah, I think like I
00:34:32
Speaker
I think overall, he basically used, and this is what scares me sometimes about the axis to become a doctor, because sometimes people can have the worst intentions, if we want to circle back. I don't know if we ever talk about this on any podcast episode, about that gymnast on that Netflix documentary called Athlete A.
00:34:51
Speaker
where this gym, this sports doctor basically sexually solves a lot of gymnasts. We talked about it, right? So going back to things like that where people literally get their medical degrees and abuse it to the 10th degree and just use it for their sick, personal reasons. This, to me, is what he did. He became, for whatever reason,
00:35:14
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maybe his whole reasoning to become a reproductive endocrinologist was to do exactly this, which is mind boggling. You went through the stress and the heartache of medical school so you could do this sick thing. I don't know what to say about that. That's perspective. I never even thought about it like that, but yeah. Man.
00:35:37
Speaker
And that's just one, that's one case that we have heard of, right? That actually has a Netflix series. All of them, before we move on, what are your thoughts? Because they're, you just, you got to a good point is I'm really excited for this next one.
00:35:58
Speaker
Isabella, you hit on the mark. I mean, it really is essentially disgusting. And we as physicians, we should be empowered to empower our patients. And again, you think of those countless, again, children that were fathered in this unfortunate circumstances, along with their mothers. How do you think they're going to interact with the medical field? Like, when they go see a doctor, there's going to be questions like, do I trust this man? Like, is he going to be conniving? Is he going to be making different moves? The fact that you live most of your life thinking,
00:36:25
Speaker
that you were born to a certain condition, but then that is all falsified and is all a lie. And you find out there's this random dude that was taking advantage of your mother and taking advantage of the situation and circumstances. I can't even fathom how they're feeling. And it begs the question, again, like we mentioned, how do you truly trust your physicians that you're seeing on a day-to-day basis? Do they have the best out for you?
00:36:48
Speaker
And I think we that these are the conversations that we need to have, especially with our patients, especially with our communities that we as physicians like of course we have the power and we have the opportunity to change lives, and we should invoke ourselves in that change lives in the most positive way possible.
00:37:06
Speaker
And when I was watching the documentary, I'm like, bro, boy, like, how is this man? Yo, he needed, somebody need to get at this dude, because how you doing this, like, for so many years? Like, I ain't trying to be violent, but it's like crazy that somebody could literally take advantage of all of these women and then be cool with it. And then they interviewed a dude and he just chilling. Like, this dude, he's like making no remorse. You know what I mean?
00:37:32
Speaker
And they talk about, like, the fact of the matter is, like, he's not even, like, aware, like, oh, this is normal. This is what meant to me. This is fatal, right? Like Isabella mentioned, this is part of his religion. And so there's some sick people out there, you know? And we, you know, we just got to be careful out on these streets with your doctors. Just because we glorify medicine, it is not a glorified field. There are always going to be people that are taking their vans,
00:37:58
Speaker
Remember the new TikTok doc that was at Oregon, Sexually Sold On Woman? You mentioned Dr. Nader with all the gymnasts, unfortunately, including Simone Biles. It's just too much going on. Just be aware, just because a doctor has a doctor on his name doesn't mean that they are truly a doctor. Know that what you're getting yourself into. That was the point Isabella brought up that really got me
00:38:21
Speaker
Not not a good excited, but it's just like you after all of this time you put in for med school, you could be this vile. And that's one case that we that's one situation that actually was publicized right on Netflix. How many other cases of these types of things go on? We don't know. Undiscussed, unknown. And which brings us to our next topic. So a young black female queer
00:38:50
Speaker
Orthopedic resident tweeted and I'm going to read her tweet first and then we'll talk about exactly what happened. But to your point, Isabella, like doctors do this type of stuff and it's just not cool. So she tweeted as a UCLA medical student, I was forced to watch my supervising physician or supervising surgeon at Harbor UCLA sexually assault
00:39:14
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his unconscious anesthetized black male patient while carrying a loaded semi-automatic weapon concealed on his waist. I silently wept the entire surgery. This is Dr. Melanie Craigl out of UCLA, like I mentioned, black female queer orthopedic resident
00:39:32
Speaker
She wrote an anonymous report. The surgeon was still able to ID her as the whistleblower. But my goodness, if she is one resident that saw that and actually spoke up, how many other residents have seen similar? Right. And it just goes unnoticed. I mean, people are afraid to speak on it. And I know there's so many things attached to this story that we're going to discuss that
00:39:58
Speaker
you know, kind of got her in this situation, but like, she spoke up, you know, she's one who spoke up. And I think that's one of the most important points is that like, she did speak up and I think that like, it speaks to, I would say, the goodness and the true character of a lot of people go into medicine, which is actually to advocate for patients, right? Like that is the ultimate goal, like advocate for your patient, even if you may be put into a compromising position, like,
00:40:25
Speaker
If the goal is to make sure the patient is taken care of, then that's what you do. And that's what we all said in the Hippocratic Oath. That's the number one goal. I will say that being in the medical field does place a lot of constraints sometimes in what you can and can't do. That is difficult to navigate as a provider because as a provider, you have a lot of things you have to kind of hold in place in addition to advocating for your patients. You have to kind of remember
00:40:54
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Hippo laws, you kind of have to remember, not, I guess, like defaming the integrity or the character of the institution that you're working under. There's a lot of things you have to consider.
00:41:06
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you know, as a physician, and it can make it difficult sometimes to tell the moral line of what is what can and can't I say. And I think that Dr. Kregel, I think that was a line that she had a little bit of difficulty navigating from my personal perspective, I will say, I think her speaking up was absolutely
00:41:25
Speaker
like I think that was great and I think she she I think she did it it came from a good place but I wonder if she did it without being mindful of maybe some other lines that she she could possibly cross by doing that because given her position right she is
00:41:44
Speaker
a resident. On top of that, she's an orthopedic surgery resident. That's a very small field where it spreads around like wildfire. That's the thing. And then on top of that, she's working under a very well-known public institution, which is USC, or actually, I think USC is actually private. I could be, yeah, I think it's actually a private institution, but she was a medical student at a public institution, and now she's a resident at a private institution. But I think all of the schools like USC, UCLA,
00:42:13
Speaker
I'm sure they're very connected in terms of faculty and the staff, given the locations are very close by and they're all very well known institutions. I think her speaking out about something that was probably
00:42:25
Speaker
could have been laser focused on a particular surgeon that someone else could have known or been able to kind of dish out who she was talking about was risky because what at the end of the day when you're a resident you have to sign certain contracts that says that you're not going to speak about certain things that put puts like either your institution in a tricky or like moral position or
00:42:46
Speaker
you know, speaking about maybe, you know, private patient information type of thing. So her tweet didn't necessarily, I would say, like,
00:42:57
Speaker
project who this patient was. I don't think anyone could necessarily tell who this patient was, but I think the fact that we know that she's a resident at this particular institution, she's probably a particular year resident, they could maybe kind of do the numbers. I think there still was probably a lot of digging in order to figure out what she was talking about and who she probably called out.
00:43:18
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but I don't think it was hard given the fact that we have some like, you know, we have some information on her. There are some people who have Twitter accounts. Like I know some like medical accounts where they, it's like a burner account. They don't even have a name. They don't have like, they don't say, like I follow some of those accounts. Cause a lot of them like kind of give out tea about like the nonsense that you see every day like in the hospital, right? But they know better than to out themselves. Like what? Because something like this is going to happen to them. So I think like it's, it's like, I, I,
00:43:47
Speaker
I sympathize with her and the fact that like after this tweet um like she did have to get she got pushed out of her like her residency like apparently they they fired her um but I do think that like she probably toyed with a couple of lines that that was risky. For me I'd rather die standing up than living my knees like a coward.
00:44:11
Speaker
and I'm proud of her personally for taking this initiative. And that's why for me, that's why I don't even have my residency on my Twitter account, the name of my residency, because I don't, I be saying stuff, I don't really care. If I see something wrong, I'm an outer, I'm gonna say something about it. It may not be Twitter, it might be in that situation, I'm gonna be like, yo, you bugging bro, you gotta.
00:44:33
Speaker
firearm here, respect this patient. Honestly, how I move, I don't really care what the hierarchy is. If I see someone that's disrespectful or you disrespect me, I'm going to talk to you. We don't have a chat. Personally, I'm not really afraid of the consequences or the repercussions because I really feel like I'm on that radical wave where
00:44:54
Speaker
whatever happens happens, but at least I'm living with integrity. And as you mentioned with character, this woman, she exposes, we don't even know how much other stuff this dude did. This man literally pulled up with a semi, whatever. He had a concealed firearm on his waist. What kind of God do you have to come in an OR? Number one, that's contamination. The two, with the state of affairs with gun violence and all that stuff going on. I mean, I don't know how far along the line this was in the past,
00:45:22
Speaker
I did my railroad rotation neurology at UCLA. And there's been a lot of stories with, for instance, UCLA had an anesthesiologist that would not get a vaccine. And eventually they got the police to come up and they scored them off campus because he kept coming in through and they was giving them memos like, bro, stop coming to work. You're not vaccinated. You know what I'm saying? And then the former Surgeon General of Florida was from UCLA.
00:45:46
Speaker
was saying, oh, the coronavirus is fake. Don't get the vaccine and all that. He was an internal medicine doctor. So UCLA got something in their blood over there. They recruited something out there. I don't know what's going on. But I salute Dr. Crago, and I really hope that she's able to transcend this. And let this be a story for other residents. If you are going to partake in certain actions, know that there will be consequences and that they right or wrong.
00:46:13
Speaker
be confident and follow what you feel was the best decision for yourself. And there's no, in this situation, I feel like there is no blaming her or feeling like antagonizing or criticizing. That's a decision that she felt was best for her at that particular time. And because of that, this person was expoused and now UCLA gotta make sure that they enact what they need to enact on the end. And hopefully we see however UCLA gets and we'll see at the other end how residents will react.
00:46:39
Speaker
What are our duties, right? At the end of the day, me as a resident coming in, I'm there to work hard, but I'm also there to learn. I'm also there to model and be a professional for my patients and create a standard that I want to see in my own professional life. If I see something wrong, I'm going to say something. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think also, oh, sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. I was going to say, like we, we brought up a problem, right? I think offering some solutions
00:47:05
Speaker
And if ever a medical student or a resident is in this type of situation, kind of works and helps. So if we could offer some up, know your rights, document everything that occurs, have organizations and witnesses to back you up, and then have a backup plan if fired, because activism and advocacy in the workplace at the cost of being fired is a real thing. So just make sure you're covered. You cover yourself.
00:47:35
Speaker
as they say, CYA, cover your self. Up. Yeah. CYB, CYB. Yeah. But I mean, this episode has been a little heavy, I feel like. So let's kind of lighten it up a little bit, maybe. I don't know if it's going to be light. For some it may, for some it might not.
Celebrity Relationships: Michael B. Jordan & Lori Harvey
00:47:59
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Our beloved Michael B. Jordan and Lori Harvey have broken up
00:48:05
Speaker
And the media had a field day with it. The media creates a constant feud. Honestly, this is one of the realest statements I've ever said. A constant feud, shout out to Andean, between black women and men. Stop putting them against each other. I feel like, I don't know y'all. Like with Lori Harvey, she,
00:48:29
Speaker
She's just living her best life. Isn't she? Like, isn't she dating normally? Like, why do we have to keep saying, man against woman? She's not allowed to date. He's allowed to date. And I just feel like, just let people be. Why do we care so much? The media really had a field day with this.
00:48:49
Speaker
Yeah, I totally agree. I also see, we gotta see the, you know, don't forget, like, we gotta see the perspective of Michael B. Jordan, too. Like, what perspective is that? He still, we still, he still got the photos shorty up, so I'm gonna make this assumption. Not even leading stuff, I think, right? Oh, he did? He had it for a little minute. I don't know, I haven't checked recently.
00:49:09
Speaker
But with that being said, Shorty deleted all the photos and Homeboy still had the photos up. Like, you know, I think it was from New Year's Eve or something like that. That was his choice. It's his Instagram account. No, it's his choice, right? He could leave more photos. I'm just saying that he probably still got feelings and like he's still emotionally attached to that. And I feel like we also got to give him grace too, as much as we give all your Harvey to him at the end of the day.
00:49:34
Speaker
And I feel like black men, again, when we go through heartbreak or we go through situations that are emotionally devastating, we don't receive that same amount of love, that same amount of positive attention. It's like, oh yeah, you just deal with it. Like, you be I. Meanwhile, you're room crying and you don't want to talk to nobody. You just missin' Shorty and she not feeling you the same way you feel her. And it's like, it's just a whole process in that you got to learn to accept and learn to navigate without the proper support.
00:50:00
Speaker
And I feel like just because he's older, just because he's 35, and he's probably been in more relationships and things of that nature. Maybe, maybe not. But at the end of the day, he's still a human being. And I feel like we also need to extend that love and support to him as much as we did with Laurie.
00:50:16
Speaker
Lori, shout out to her. She made a decision. She's a mature woman. And I'm not going to antagonize her for a decision either. I don't know their specific situation at the end of the day. But I will say that I do respect them in regards to they are not blasting each other on social media. They both are handling like mature adults. And it's like things happen. People come together and people break apart. And just because people aren't in a relationship doesn't take away from the character of both parties.
00:50:40
Speaker
Sometimes things don't work at that particular moment to say that they might get back together in the future. Maybe not, but maybe now they closer friends than ever. So we got to respect what's going on. And initially when this happened, I was like, damn, man, my man took the L and no one history. She was a P Diddy, P Diddy son, and all that. I was like, oh, she put the streets and all that. I was like, don't do that.
00:51:00
Speaker
See Aldi, I let you stay on your soapbox, but now we're good. You done. Let's get it. Like Rick Flynn. I feel like we always do this Aldi, like we did this at, you know, in Orlando. I feel like we always have like this black men, black woman type of debate thing.
00:51:25
Speaker
It's just like I said, it's interesting to me because like Lori, listen, my good Capricorn sis, we're very similar to Capricorns. The thing about it is that we mind our we mind our business. And for the most part, if we don't want to talk about it, we're not going to talk about it. That's just the reality. Everybody doesn't need to know the details. Like for the most part, people just want to know the cruddy things that happen in your life. And they don't actually like care about you or support you in any kind of way. So we can all this like noise and chatter about homegirls relationship with this man.
00:51:55
Speaker
No one knows anything. That's the that's the crazy part and she hasn't said anything about it Like no one's spoken up about it. This is all think pieces. This is all like our Like interpretation of how things happen. So that's why I think it's interesting how like there and it's of course it's cuz they're celebrities if we know that Mike Jordan is like very popular we know Laurie's popular like
00:52:15
Speaker
of course people want to talk like I'm not negating that but I do think that like let's kind of circle back and realize that sis is not like she they're not saying anything so it's kind of weird how we're kind of making up like these stories and like
00:52:30
Speaker
these projections. Oh, because he left some Instagram photos for longer than a day. And she, she like, we don't know what happened. You know, like, it's, we don't know what's going on. So I just want to say that I support whatever happened, I support black people making their own choices, period. And that's where it ends. Like, it doesn't, there's no think piece about it. I support black people making choices. That's it. I like it. You know, so I like it. Supporting black people making choices.
00:53:00
Speaker
I mean, so you support Diddy laughing when young Miami was like, we go together. How you feeling about that, though? Wow. Wow.
00:53:19
Speaker
I just want to know, do you support that? Because when I tell you I fell out, I bust out laughing on that train, which she said, because we got it together. I was like, the way he reacted too, I was like, wait, what? The way he looked at her, she meant what she said, y'all. They go together. So I'm going to let you bring, I'm going to let you introduce this and answer the question.
00:53:47
Speaker
That's crazy. I was not expecting, I mean, I don't even know what to talk about, but wow, you know what, I guess I'm just like, I guess I gotta just stop writing to my opinion. I think that was, I think that was, that was a questionable response, but you know what? At the end of the day, the reality is, and I, you know, we spoke about this a little bit during our meeting, like I do think that people like, let's call him by his real name, Sean Combs, they,
00:54:17
Speaker
Cause we're, like, he's a human being, right? Just say Diddy makes him this Lord and this God. Let's just call him, let's call him by his name. His name is Sean Cobes. Okay. Here's Diddy. He's a God. AKA love. His new name is love. I think it's just love. I don't know if he's even loved Combs, but he's loved now.
00:54:33
Speaker
Listen, because since we want since we want to talk to about these people like there are peers then like about him like he's our peers. So yes, Mr. Combs like he's been he has been we know that he has like been in and out of multiple relationships. He has like, you know, a very, you know, he has children from whatever different mothers like this is not to judge anybody like this. He's made
00:54:54
Speaker
He's been with a lot of different women. He's not like been in yeah He's not what someone who's been with one woman and had kids from what like we know that he he has a kind of a track list exactly So the reality is that any woman who's looking to be with this man? Should first of all already be aware of that and know that he has a track list and then also Be aware of where he stands in terms of commitment right now Does he want to be in a committed relationship who knows but the reality is the reality is is that whatever he says or however he responds to
00:55:24
Speaker
woman that he's currently dabbling with about his intentions, that's between those two. I could think, oh, why is he screwing them over? But then it's like, I'm looking at his history. What am I surprised about? You know what I'm trying to say? I'm not naive to say that this man hasn't clearly probably had multiple instances similar to what young Miami is currently dealing with. So personally, I'm not a fool. So I'm not going to be surprised about his response.
00:55:50
Speaker
So I think it is what it is. Like let them deal with it as adults. When whatever this man tells her he wants and wherever she stands, she has the decision either to stay or to go. That's it. That's real. He got the Nick Cannon disease without having all the babies like he's done his life. Like he keeps it real. Like at that level, we got so much bread like
00:56:13
Speaker
He, I'm sure he's keeping the 100 with them like, yo, we, I'm probably not going to get married too long. I'm just trying to have fun. He even mentioned the interview, like marriage is no longer for me. He was married before and that was an experience that he likes, ain't doing the candy. Like that's not them. And I think because they have so much bread and, you know, respectfully, you know,
00:56:30
Speaker
like they good looking men, like women, they attracted him, but on top of that, they take care of a woman too. It's not like you never hear any issues with like assault or like they getting that chicks. Like when you with him and he said in an interview too, like I'm going to make sure you good, but I'm going to also live my life at the end of the day. And I think that's what a lot of women, they get attracted to that. And then they may have that mentality where it's like, maybe I could get him to get married or maybe I could get him.
00:56:55
Speaker
to get fully committed to me, knowing that he told you he kept it 100 with you, Ma. Yes. He's speaking gospel. You can't really go wrong. He's mad at it at the end of the day, right? And I salute him. I respect that. Any man that's able, no matter what your bracket is, keep it real with Shorty. Let her know, like, yo, if you want to thought off, let her know from the get go, or if you want to be committed, let her know what your energy is like. So we also got a salute Diddy on that, too. But I love the conversation they had. They kept it real.
00:57:21
Speaker
A lot of couples need to have conversations like that. Sit down, really assess what are the things you want to accomplish in that relationship or that marriage or whatever the case may be. Let me tell you, I think this is just a bag for Diddy. And I didn't think of it like this from the beginning, because I really, oh my gosh, I was really in my feelings about it. Not because I would ever want to be with Diddy, but it's just like,
00:57:47
Speaker
And I don't mean that in a bad way, like not because Diddy is like what I aspire to, but it's like, I think the bigger conversation is, and I am not saying that I don't support the city girls when I make this statement, but I feel like the culture we live in right now, city girls or women think that city girls are up, right? And people are making themselves look or try to emulate this culture. And I think it,
00:58:16
Speaker
does a disservice when women think that that's attainable and that that's going to be a reality.
00:58:26
Speaker
because just cause you aspire to city girl them does not mean you are going to end up with the ditty. And that, that, that's the issue. That was like my biggest issue with this. Um, and I thought it was a cute interview. You could see their chemistry, but I was like, dang, how many chicks are out here now aspiring to city girl them and think that this is going to be a situation. And, but the bigger, the bigger picture, which,
00:58:52
Speaker
my, my boo thing, he, he kind of gave me some perspective. He was like, yo, this is a bag for Diddy. Do you not see that? She has the number one podcast right now and it's on revolt. Like you got to analyze it for what it is. And you know, it might look like lovey dovey, but at the end of the day, this is transactional.
00:59:15
Speaker
Like she's coming up and so is he. So I was like, okay, I see it. I'm not as upset anymore, but that was a big thing for me. I was really like, dang, everybody's not going to end up with Diddy. I hope people don't get, you know, bright eyed bushy tail thinking.
00:59:31
Speaker
And the things women will do, you know what I'm saying? Like you said, because they see those instances being the city girl. I remember seeing an interview, a chick recently, like last week, she pulled up to Future's studio session and she's like an aspiring artist and all that. And he was like, yo, get naked and strip.
00:59:52
Speaker
She dead just did that. That's wild. And she didn't get no... He didn't listen to music or none of that. So you make those decisions, you know what I'm saying? You could feel how you feel about future, but he ain't put a gun to her head. But because they respond to that city girl getting that attention, you know what I mean? A lot of girls, they trying to move like that. And every man, like you mentioned,
01:00:12
Speaker
is on that type of way where they're interested in you because you like them or you look good. They see a lot of attractive women all the time. So it's got to be something they're looking for you may not have. And so they put themselves in a curious position, unfortunately. And she felt bad about it. And I'm sorry that happened, but she's right, Erica.
01:00:32
Speaker
Thank you. Yeah. Well, you know, I think, um, this was a great, a great little tidbit of our entertainment, uh, entertainment side of the podcast. There's always something going on in black entertainment. I'll say that. But now of course, a circle back to our health, uh, aspect. So I did mention earlier that there are two, actually there's technically three awareness months, but we decided to highlight two. So we highlighted the national minority,
01:01:00
Speaker
mental health awareness month and now we can talk about sarcoma awareness month, which is actually also very important. So sarcoma is actually a rare type of malignant tumor that develops in the bone slash connective tissues. And it is actually known as the forgotten cancer, making up only about 1% of all adult cancer diagnoses and about 15% of childhood cancer diagnoses. So I actually remember learning mostly about sarcoma when I was on my orthopedic surgery rotation.
01:01:28
Speaker
that is one of the cancers that bone surgeons deal with. And it's very, yeah, it is very rare. I think sarcoma is that known as like the, is that the Ewing sarcoma, like the Jersey? Do you remember? Yeah. So yeah, that's like a very rare sarcoma, but or a very rare bone cancer, but it does happen and it happens mostly in children. So definitely something to highlight.
01:01:54
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So about approximately 16,000 sarcomas are diagnosed in the US each year. Compose these sarcomas, so that's actually the one that is related to HIV. So this is a relatively rare soft tissue sarcoma that can be found either in the skin, mucus membranes, from the mouth to the anus, and it's caused by the human herpes virus 8 or HHV8. Like I said, it usually occurs in people who are infected with HIV. So it's something to
01:02:23
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Of course, it brings awareness to HIV health, it brings awareness to cancer patients, it brings awareness to kids who deal with cancer, and I definitely think that we should keep Sarcoma Awareness Month in the back of our minds this month as something to highlight within health.
01:02:41
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SNMA fam, that was high yield. So for y'all studying for step one and step two, make sure you remember that HHV, carposisarcoma and all of that. Cause they may test that. And as well as, you know, um, shout out to them, I forgot her name, but it was a shorty I used to talk to and she actually had a osteosarcoma. And, uh, I remember her going through like all of the like diagnosing, like it was in her hip and like the whole process eventually, um, you know, um,
01:03:09
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get a, you know, medication and all that. And she started losing her hair and she started having like mobility issues, couldn't walk, you know, eventually couldn't talk into that nature, but she, she was treated for it. And from Facebook, she looks like she's looking pretty well, but I just wanted to say like, this is great that they have this kind of awareness month because it does affect as well. Black people affects everybody. So please get checked, checked on that. Like when you have any symptoms and things of that nature,
01:03:35
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It is important for us to be aware of our physical and mental health in all regards. So I love that we're doing this because I think oftentimes we neglect our health. We keep walking. We keep working. We keep being active. We keep making moves. But forgetting if you don't take care of yourself, then how do you take care of others at the end of the day? Yeah, agreed. I'm glad we shed light on that. So I said to my co-host earlier, I feel like our clocks were turned back 50 years, a day or two ago.
Impact of Overturning Roe v. Wade
01:04:06
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And I feel a lot of different things, but I'm really frustrated. I think I expressed that earlier, how frustrated I am with this country. So we've recently learned about the overturn of Roe versus Wade on Friday, June 24th. The Supreme Court overturned Roe versus Wade in a five to four decision ending 50 years of federal abortion rights.
01:04:34
Speaker
Um, Rose since 1973 has permitted abortions during the first two trimesters of pregnancy in the United States. And, uh, this is a bigger than it being like a rights issue. It's really a medical issue. Um, and I think it, there's so many topics within this topic that we could touch on. Um, but it's just.
01:05:02
Speaker
It's sad, y'all. We're living in a terrible day. I believe as of yesterday, I don't know which states, but there were like 13 states. So according to the Gutmatcher Institute, there are 13 states that have trigger bands in place, meaning
01:05:20
Speaker
Abortion will, it is immediately banned, it's been banned. In fact, one of the posts that I saw, it was from Arkansas and they said that they were canceling, this was on Friday, they were canceling the abortion schedule. People would have to look to drive six hours out. Can't make it up. And it's crazy. So that was one state, now we're at 13. 26 states have laws indicating that they intend to ban abortions.
01:05:48
Speaker
and then nine states have pre-roll bands that could potentially be enforced with the ruling overturned. And this is just Roe versus Wade, y'all. This is not Brown versus the board of education, which could be up, like who knows which versus is gonna be up next. Black men who love white women, they come in for loving versus Virginia next. I mean, what's next? Y'all. She, she wild.
01:06:15
Speaker
No. Listen, yes it is. Say it. Say it with your chest. It's true.
01:06:22
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Yeah. I'm not including that. I'm specifically calling out, sorry, this is not to say that there aren't black women with white men, right? Because they'd be affected too. But I'm specifically calling out black men or any non-white man who's with a white woman because I feel like those are the ones who are going to be like, oh, this isn't a big deal. And then when they come for the law that affects you, you're going to be looking crazy. So I just want to
01:06:46
Speaker
I want to say that this is an issue that affects everybody. Don't think this is not something that can happen to you. Everyone here is affected by this law happening because when you take away the rights of women, that's going to affect every single person on this America. That's just period. I want to make that clear.
01:07:05
Speaker
you spoke Erica to the 13 states that like this actually did happen like they have banned abortion i want to call out the 16 states wink wink to those who need to get an abortion this is where you need to be making sure you hey wait oh wait oh 16 states i think i'm at the 13 states that abort uh no no no 16
01:07:24
Speaker
Make sure you add this to your GPS because this may be where you need to land next. But 16 things as well as DC have taken such steps. So that includes California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, New York.
01:07:40
Speaker
Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington. So they said, yeah, we don't care what's going on in the Supreme Court. We have our own laws that says that this is still a go. So if y'all need another place to crash, those are the states you guys need to be looking at because they have your best interests at heart. These other states, I don't know what's going on, but
01:07:57
Speaker
Like it's, it's great. It's really crazy out here with, you know, us while the, oh, all the, just give me a, I'm a, I'ma let you talk. I feel like you ain't even get in on this yet, but what's wild. The doctors that I've seen post about this are all, they're all on board with the same thought. This is not telling you that abortions will not happen. They will still happen. Whether people make it out alive.
01:08:27
Speaker
That's another thing. They're going to continue. I mean, people are still going to have kids. Are we going to up the adoption agencies and foster homes? I don't think people realize the implications. We're not just upset because the government is trying to control and tell us what to do with our bodies. It's so far beyond that.
01:08:56
Speaker
I just feel like this patriarchal society, that's what it feels like. I'm not coming from men right now, Arlen, but in my years of living, it just feels like we live in a very patriarchal society. I mean, shoot, we saw it with the segment we talked about with, oh boy, Dr. Clive. There's just so much that
01:09:20
Speaker
people, we see one thing in front of us and never see the, it's like the butterfly effect. I said the same thing about Corona virus. We haven't seen the, the extent of the damage that is going to come from Corona virus. We don't see the extent of what's going to happen with this being overturned. Um, and then there's just so many things it's bringing up, like, you know, um, like when you, when you dig up roots,
01:09:49
Speaker
Like you only see one root really until you actually pluck it and you see so many other things. I'm seeing issues with Christianity and the evangelical movement. I saw like prophets, preachers, pastors celebrating. And I'm like, what is a rope? Where do y'all live? Oh, but what are your thoughts? Cause I've spoken enough. Go ahead. I want to know.
01:10:12
Speaker
First off, shout out to DJ Absolute, one of our podcast co-members. He's right, though. He said, history always repeats like we drank during prohibition. So speaking to what you were saying, Erica, in regards to people who have abortions, you know, one way or another, I was reading an article, Texas Women's Clinic, which is in Houston, Texas, and does the most abortions in Texas overall as a state.
01:10:39
Speaker
They were recounting the whole situation when it happened, when they overturned Roe v. Wade and all the countless members that were coming into the clinic. It was crazy. A lot of the nurses and even the physician, he's an 80-year-old dude, the physician in there. Everybody was crying when he found out that it was overturned. One of the ladies in there, what you were saying, Erica, was saying, I'm going to find a way to get this abortion because I'm 21 years old.
01:11:03
Speaker
And I can't afford to, you know, I can't afford to raise this child up. And even for me, like, I'll bring up a personal story with regards to me, you know, I had a girl, you know, ex girlfriend a couple years back and
01:11:18
Speaker
You know, we both wasn't in the right situation to raise a child. So I actually went to the abortion clinic where, and went through the whole process. And of course it was like emotionally ingrained and all that. But because of that like situation, you know, I was able to move on with my life. She was able to move on with our lives and we knew we wasn't ready and having that opportunity, giving her that opportunity to say, Hey, this is my body and I can make this decision and I can move confidently in the way that I needed to. It was the best for us at that particular time. Yeah.
01:11:44
Speaker
And people feel one way or the other about it. But it's crazy on the other hand, how people without uteruses and people that's never had a menstrual period or a menstrual cramp could decide how women can and make decisions for their own body. And I remember I seen this tweet on a lot of these people that are like pro-life and stuff like that. This pediatrician on Twitter said, pediatrician here, this isn't about babies because if it were, we'd support kids and families with health care, high quality education.
01:12:12
Speaker
universal childcare, reliable housing, access to healthy food. This is about controlling women's bodies. I was like, get that joint on the nail, because see how many kids out here that's living in homeless shelters? That's food insecure. I could talk about the Bronx, food insecurity. There's more meaning behind this in this decision. And I feel like a lot of men out there, men, we got to support our women on this. We can't just stay aside and be quiet about this. Because as Erica and Isabella mentioned, this is an issue that critically affects not just women, but also men.
01:12:41
Speaker
at the same time. And each and every one you should have the opportunity to make that decision and have that right at the end of the day. No one should tell you how you should move with your own body that you had for so and so years. You've done what you need to do. And so at the end of the day, you should have the opportunity and that independence to do that. So I'm really not digging this. And it's crazy. It really is going back to the 1800s. It's crazy and mind boggling.
01:13:07
Speaker
the state of affairs in America. Like nowhere else would you think this is supposed to be the greatest country in the world. But yeah, you're taking the liberties away. You're giving people access to gun rights and the liberty to get guns. But then people don't have access and liberties to control what happens to their body.
01:13:22
Speaker
Make it make sense. That's crazy. Can I just stop you real quick? Because I just want to, it still touched me that you were able to speak about your own personal experience with your girlfriend getting an abortion. I think that was really powerful and that was great of you to share that because I'm sure some of that affected you greatly. People don't even talk about how men having their partners at the time getting abortions affects them too. They are also in that process as well.
01:13:47
Speaker
I think that was great that you touched on it because we don't really talk about that. So I just wanted to like, you know, pause and give you credit for that. Thank you. Yeah, I cried about it and I still get emotional about it because that could have been my child and stuff like that. But, you know, thank you for acknowledging that. Yeah, people don't realize like the effect of, you know, tied back into mental health. Right. Like how all of these decisions could literally have somebody about to, you know, be on the brink of losing
01:14:17
Speaker
everything to them. Like in that situation, you're wearing medical school. She, I'm not sure what she was doing, but like imagine that could have been snuffed out. And you said something all, it's funny, men don't realize, I don't think how this could really affect them. Like, okay, so you could still have that child and guess what? Child support is going to be coming for you, for you and those five kids.
01:14:39
Speaker
So for all of the, you know, this is not my issue. Oh yeah, it will be when it's in your pockets. Give it some time. When you got $60 checks.
Economic Concerns: COVID-19 Recession Effects
01:14:50
Speaker
Right. No, it's a real thing. People have got to, they've got to realize. Yeah, I'm happy we've discussed all of these issues.
01:15:02
Speaker
Like we said earlier, y'all, it was going to be entertaining, a tad bit heavy. But we want to kind of do a little bit of reflecting because COVID, I think we're starting to see the effects now, right? We're seeing some
01:15:19
Speaker
things that look or appear to be recession-like with gas spikes, travel cost spikes. There's been an increase in jet fuel prices, which means higher ticket prices. I don't know about Isabella at all, but y'all going to be outside still with $500 tickets? Of course. Isabella might. I'm still outside. I'm still outside. They can't take it away from me.
01:15:47
Speaker
I'm making $1,800 every two months. I'm flying out. I mean, every two weeks. Excuse me. Okay. All right. $2,780. You heard? Well, I will be outside with Alden. No, but as, I mean, as medical students and as residents, like navigating a potential recession, I mean, we've seen
01:16:09
Speaker
So many things, but specifically I'm gonna touch on travel because medical students, residents have to travel, more medical students travel to rotation sometimes. Like how do you feel, how do you feel it will affect you guys? Do you think it'll be manageable or like how do you feel about it?
01:16:34
Speaker
a potential recession. Especially you, Isabella, you're about to go into fourth year in a way rotation, so I'm really interested to hear. Yeah, yeah, I'm like kind of, that's true. I am kind of, so I'm starting, quote unquote, starting third year, you know, like Penn does a weird, we have a weird system. So I'm gonna just say, yeah, I'm starting third year soon, but almost kind of at the finishing point. And I do think that like money, you know, is difficult with each year because you're
01:17:00
Speaker
I'm going to be taking board exams. Board exams are expensive with step one, step two, all that stuff. Like you said, Aldo and I'll soon have to think about away rotations that cost money. I don't know if interviews will remain virtual or if they're going to have people have to fly for that. I mean, they should keep it virtual, in my opinion, because I think it saves money. And I don't know.
01:17:20
Speaker
I mean, I'm surprised people were before able to actually fly to every single interview. Like, that's crazy. Like, all across the state. They were taking loans, son. They were taking... I don't think that took 15K out for that. That's crazy. I can believe that. Yeah.
01:17:34
Speaker
I can believe that. Yeah, like I can believe that. So I think that it's definitely money is like an issue. But I will say that I think money will always kind of be an issue up until I'm an attending. So I'm going to live my life. That's, that's kind of the summary of this. You know, when whatever money I have to have enjoyment, I will be using that for enjoyment. That's it. You know, they can raise prices and
01:18:00
Speaker
what's gonna happen is that I'm just gonna have to budget my enjoyment a little bit more, but I'm still gonna experience enjoyment. And I will say that, you know, some people won't be in the same position as me, right? Some people, they actually won't have that money, and we have to, like, give acknowledgement to those who don't have the means to do it and really can't, like, they only have a certain amount of money they can work with, and school takes out a huge chunk of that, and that now removes their ability to enjoy life. And I think that's crazy that, like, now, especially students are gonna suffer really greatly from this, so I do think that,
01:18:28
Speaker
This recession plus that's happening to us right now is very, very concerning for a lot of people. We're talking about, like you said, gas prices, higher ticket flight prices. We also have to speak to this war in Ukraine, where 40 billion were sent to Ukraine for military support and humanitarian aid, according to, but despite the issues that America is currently facing. So we're still talking about war, but we have all these
01:18:54
Speaker
things going on that's like, you know, like, how are we still talking about war? And like, I'm paying and there's a flight shortage. It's not making sense. So I think this has to now circle back to our the guy in the White House right now,
Political Accountability
01:19:11
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Mr. B. Here's a quick recap to right after election season 2020.
01:19:15
Speaker
Yeah, I wanna say that Biden noted that the black beauty put themselves on their backs. Like we carried this man to being the president elect. Let's just call a spade a spade. He said it, he said that since his time in government, like it's always been black people who have been advocating for him and giving him the opportunities that he has. And that just goes to show you how we always show up, right? And so, and he said, is his time now?
01:19:42
Speaker
is his time now to show up for us. I'm going to hold him to it. I'm going to hold him accountable because it's time for us to start holding what these politicians say accountable. No matter how much we want change from the current administration, we also have to look at the people that we're supporting and making sure that they stick to their word, right? Because essentially, it's our lives on the line at the end of the day, you know? Like, that's what it comes down to.
01:20:02
Speaker
Yeah. And when you vote, you vote for an individual to represent your ideals, your ideation, your thoughts and perceptions of the world. And also for the opportunity. America is a place for opportunity. And I think we deserve an opportunity, especially in the black community to excel, to have opportunities, to be better individuals each and every day. And so we should hold them accountable. And I'm hoping, you know, oftentimes you see politicians come into office and they have this, you know, glamorous dream of helping people and they have these plans, but it really is about, you know,
01:20:32
Speaker
initiating those plans and putting them into place. So I hope that they really come to fruition. So I have very high standards. Hopefully he doesn't fail us. Yeah. Speaking of those plans. So just so you guys know, we had conversation and decided amongst ourselves what concerns and what topics would, I guess, benefit us or what we were most concerned about. So the topics that you'll hear today were deliberated on
01:21:02
Speaker
from these hosts, my lovely co-hosts, and that's what y'all are gonna get. But before that, I must acknowledge the first Black, y'all know I gotta do it. I know, girl. And Indian, my soror. Yes, ma'am. I love it, I love it, I'm sorry, okay. Listen, BP,
01:21:29
Speaker
Kamala Harris, give it up one time. Okay, let's not let me add, let me add Howard alumna. Okay, forget that. So it's all my HBCU grads as well. It's all my Howard alum bison. Okay, she's here for us too. Okay, but
01:21:49
Speaker
like, let's make this clear, right? Let's make this clear. She gonna get it too in this in this episode, she's not exempt. We're also holding her accountable, right? Because at the end of the day, we know that both of them have had a past that possibly is controversial. They've done some positive things. They've also done some things that are probably seen as negative. And we know that
01:22:08
Speaker
initially, when they were kind of getting their foot into running, we were a little bit hesitant about some of their policies that they had in the past. And so we're going to address that too. And I want to make that clear to the audience, like we are going to address that. And yeah, and make sure that everyone is being held accountable to what they've said, and what they're claiming to do moving forward in this administration.
01:22:32
Speaker
Um, so, you know, we just played, we just played our clip on holding politicians accountable. And we talked about, you know, uh, our listeners just, just heard us talk about a previous episode where we discussed how Biden and Kamala are people that we want to make sure hold accountable to what they said they were going to do, which is making sure that the black community was taken care of. Right. Cause we always supported them and we always
01:22:58
Speaker
like made sure that their campaigns were, like we always supported their campaigns and made sure that they were going to be promoted to this level that they're at right now. Like they're here because of us, correct? They could not have been in the positions that they are if we did not put in our vote for them. That's just point blank period. So I think given that we now need to reflect on have they, have we held them accountable? What do you guys think? I mean,
01:23:24
Speaker
we have not held them accountable in any regards. And I'm quite disappointed. I feel like Kamala Harris has been like a afterthought. I don't really, like the last thing I've read about Kamala Harris for Juneteenth, she went to a middle school in a predominantly black area and talked about Juneteenth and stuff, which is all good and dandy, but there's a, on a national and federal perspective, there's a lot going on that I feel like
01:23:48
Speaker
I don't necessarily feel like I know her role or seeing her represented in the right way that we need her to be present. We need her to be active. We need her to advocate. We need her to talk. We need to communicate, like, what's up, you know, especially to our communities. And in regards to Mr. Biden, I mean, respectfully, he's falling on bikes. I don't know if he had a hemorrhagic. You know what I mean? Like, if he had an ischemic transformation to hemorrhagic stroke or like respectfully like
01:24:17
Speaker
I'm not laughing. You know what I'm saying? It was the respectfully, I'm sorry, the respectfully took me out. Okay. I'm going to go do cognitive behavioral neurology. If y'all can see me, I'm shaking my head. I got you. You can come see me in my clinic. I'm having a clinic in New York City, LA, and Atlanta, so we got options.
01:24:35
Speaker
But hey, 80% of people with age 80 have some form of dementia. So I'm not saying anything that you better educate us, Dr. All I'm not mad. You better educate us. I think it's interesting. I listened to the clip that's inserted here. Yeah. Yeah. The clip. Oh, Mike.
01:24:58
Speaker
Yeah. And I, I laughed at myself because I was so gung-ho, especially for the VP, my soror Kamala Harris. And I'm, I'm honestly, I don't, I don't know. I try to extend grace every, everywhere to everybody. Like honestly, I feel like most people are doing the best that they can most of the time.
01:25:27
Speaker
And I don't know that if we weren't in these times, like maybe they'd be able to navigate the political climate better. But then on the other hand, it's like, well, this is what we put you guys in office for, like regardless of whatever political climate we're in. But I'm like, dang, they're kind of living through the same things we're living through. So maybe they are.
01:25:56
Speaker
doing their best, but then I thought about the student loans not being canceled, and I was like, absolutely not. So, you know, whatever's going on in the White House, y'all need to get it together because- It's all the round up, Erika, because you know how he feels about those student loans. I know. The maid was impressed about those students. He was. Not for middle-end, son. My mom told me I'm a million dollar man. I'm like, yeah, literally, y'all almost got a million debt. It's true. No.
01:26:23
Speaker
But no, all jokes aside, I really, I don't know. I feel like, yeah, there's stuff that they could have been doing better. But then I'm like, did we anticipate all of the craziness that's been happening? I mean, how do you navigate a pandemic or, you know, coming out of a pandemic? Like, of course they were going to experience, you know,
01:26:49
Speaker
the backlash of it, I guess you could say. I don't know. But I definitely listened to that clip and was like, what was I thinking? Why was I so bright eyed about them being in office? Did I not see any of this coming? I think it was because we were so excited to get rid of Trump. I think that's just what it was. Honestly, I really think that was the extent of it.
01:27:15
Speaker
We'll have this discussion again in a year. We'll circle back like we always do. Don't judge us either for our opinions. We didn't know any better. It's evolving, you know what I'm saying? We go through a spectrum at the end of the day.
01:27:34
Speaker
So, yeah, I know what time it is. What time it is? It's time for you to teach me how to get this money.
Financial Advice for Medical Residents
01:27:41
Speaker
Let me get this money. I think we need to do a little 18 bars, all three of us, for the financial corner introduction at the end of the time. Oh, okay. We'll talk about that in the next meeting, all right?
01:27:57
Speaker
We'll have DJ absolute like you speak first. You keep on confusing this man's DJ name. Y'all do not want me on the track. I am not. But for real today, we mentioned it on the finance recording today. We mentioned a little bit briefly, but the importance of finding ways to finance yourself for applying for residency, particularly moving expenses could be astronomical.
01:28:27
Speaker
When we talk about when you finish medical school and you're trying to figure things out in regards to residency, even for myself, you know, obviously I know I got a house in Atlanta, but, you know, I ended up in Hartford, Connecticut. And honestly, I didn't move anything. Like in terms of my actual like stuff that I have, like I left because I got a house in Atlanta. So I had to restructure myself to get out here. At the end of the day, my mom lives in the Bronx. So I didn't have to worry too much for that. Clothes at the crib and things of that nature. But
01:28:56
Speaker
At the end of the day, I think that some of the things that we gotta take into consideration is if you have free time doing side hustles that could make relatively quick money and utilizing your skills, like for instance, the other day I interviewed my boy about internship for my own podcast. And he was talking about before he moved to New York City, cause he was on the West Coast, he's from Phoenix. He was Ubering like crazy for like the last six, seven weeks just to save up, just to get to New York City.
01:29:23
Speaker
Some of the other things you could do as well is I took out like a loan as well from Doc2Doc Lending and I took out a couple G's out there.
01:29:31
Speaker
And they actually give you pretty good rates, you know what I'm saying, for moving. And as well as utilizing your network at the end of the day. You miss 100% of shots you don't take. So I reached out to countless mentors like, hey, I need help moving. And people are just always so afraid to ask. And at the end of the day, you graduate, you're a physician. They understand your plight. They understand some of the things that you're going through.
01:29:55
Speaker
And I got a good couple Gs just off of asking people like, hey, could you help me out here? People have interviewed on my own podcast. So networking is really critical in this process as well. And then I think as well as realizing that when you start your fourth year, the money you get in your fourth year, if you get a loan, that's not going to help you cover your moving expense. You got to think also about as well as putting in a security deposit. Because if you're going to rent,
01:30:24
Speaker
You don't have to put down the security deposit. First and last, right? Exactly. And then you're gonna have to put out like, I came in on June, what? 17th? So it was like an extra five, $600. Pro-rated. Exactly, pro-rated. And then when you look in that spots, like for me, I'm like, I'm snapped up in the hood. You know what I'm saying? So the rent is a little cheaper than, you know, you gotta really realize like, what is your budget? And typically what you want to do is when you're looking at your budget, when you're looking for places, you don't want it to be like more than 30% of what you're going to make.
01:30:54
Speaker
at the end of the day. So like I mentioned, yeah, I can look it up. I'm making $62,780 and I'm making $3,600 a month, approximately. My rent right now is about $1,175, which puts me under 30%, so I have enough money, enough leeway to make other moves. So being aware of that, but also like calculating your expenses, you know what I'm saying? Like while in residency and just prior to residency and utilizing the resources
01:31:23
Speaker
that you do have, your parents, your friends. If you could, for instance, like when moving, certain moving services do give like discounted rates as well, as well as things that you have to also consider is like the distance too, like where you at, you know what I'm saying? And find out like if you have a homie that you could, for instance, like I stayed with a homie for one week, instead of me paying for a whole week of an Airbnb, he's a family medicine resident here before I moved in, I stayed with him for a little while until I could like start off.
01:31:52
Speaker
and be in a set position. So again, knowing what resources you have and acknowledging that fourth year in itself, you're going to have expenses. Residency, I paid $2,000 just to apply for residencies, your wave rotations as well. Look for places where you could get scholarships. A place where you could get scholarships for wave rotations is the FARMS database, F-A-R-M-S.
01:32:15
Speaker
They have all the scholarships, particularly for minorities. So this is for like SNMA fam, right? This is how I went to Stanford. They paid for my flight. They gave me $2,000. I was able to be there for free. I was able, they actually also found a spot where I could actually live for the whole month while through my trauma psychiatry rotation.
01:32:33
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And then the same thing when I was at UCLA, they have a diversity scholarship where they flew me out. I was like a block away from UCLA. I got a $500 meal stipend, which I was mad because I didn't finish the meal stipend while I was there. I think I got to like $30 left over. I'm going to go back. I'm going to take a flight over there again and just spend the rest of the $30. You're not serious. You know, and then I did a way rotation at Monty, also doing, you know what I'm saying? So that was in the Bronx and that was really good.
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and they gave me a little bit of bread as well. So utilizing those resources and as well as, you know, when you move in, like sit down, like create a budget and create a budget for the year, but create a budget for yourself when you move in and don't just jump the gun, right? Like don't just jump the gun with a move in service. So when you're looking for furniture, Facebook Marketplace is a great place to go to. Like I found some furniture from the actual apartment complex that I'm in right now. There's a lot of residents that are here and a lot of them were moving out.
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And a lot of them like I connected with on Facebook marketplace and got furniture from, you know what I'm saying? Because I reached
Amazon Med Grad Wishlist's Role
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out to them. I seem like, Oh, you all I what's up? And they send an email listservant as well from my neurology residency. Like, Oh, this person is selling this and that. So take advantage of resources and just don't like just jump into something at the end of the day, you know?
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And I do have a quick question. Oh, yeah. Good. So I so I'm like a little bit in tune with like something that a lot of medical students like say M4s who are going to apply into residency use. I think it's like called Amazon Med grad wish list or something like that. Or people like, you know, get that. I remember there was a little bit of like a little debate on Twitter. I mean, this is not to be messy, but like white people, white med students are saying, oh, how come we can't do it to even though it was made with white students or
01:34:21
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No, no, I'm saying, like, if they feel the type of way, yo, do it and jump off a thousand foot cliff. I don't care what you do. This guy is saying how, like, you know, we need to protect what's for us. And I don't know where I I don't know where I stand with that. Like, I think the day I'm going to do it and whoever else chooses to do it, like, that's fine. But I wanted to get your thoughts about, like, the Amazon Med grad wish list. And then do you think, like, I don't know, is GoFundMe is that doing too much? Like, if you ask me to do a GoFundMe, OK.
01:34:50
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No, it's not. And I did an Amazon Med Grab Wishlist. And if you feel type of way, kick a rock and get cellulitis. If you a white person or outside of my know the blue. This guy said, kick a rock and get...
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sell you like this, I'm done. Yo, honestly, yo, I grew up in a single parent home in the Bronx. I grew up in an environment that I wasn't in an enriching environment where I had to have my mom had to work 24 hours. I'd be left at the crib by myself, all of that. Nobody, it's just me and my mom, nobody has my back. It was literally my mom helping me move my stuff. She helped me put some bread down in this whole process too at the end of the day. It's nobody else that's coming to save me.
01:35:31
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A lot of these white families, remember, we look at the wealth gap. It was explicitly in his book that I just mentioned, The Color of Money, Black Banks, and all that. Anyway, the wealth gap, 124,000 for white families, 24,000 for black families, the median wealth gap, the difference. That affects, you know what I'm saying? A lot of people talk about when we're in medical school and the things that we could achieve. So at the end of the day, this med grad wish list was the support underrepresented in medicine
01:35:58
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that are in environments that don't necessarily allow them to have the financial resources to make these moves. And I love it. And I actually got like, for instance, I got one of my trauma Hammers, they sent me a stoggles. So stoggles are like goggles that are covering on the side. So for instance, in neurology, we do like a lot of lumbar punctures and
01:36:19
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Botox, we do nerve blocks in the head. So sometimes, you know, some of that could like the blood or whatever could get into your eyes. So that like protects you at the end of the day. So people sent me stuff, my black neurology book right here, the little black book of neurology, they sent me that as well, which I'm showing you guys probably listening to podcasts can't see it, but like people and I love it because these are resources that are going to help me in residency.
01:36:42
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I don't grab nobody else I could ask to get those resources at the end of the day. So it's really important, it's really supportive even for myself. Next year, I'm going to put bread down. I'm going to say bread down and I'm going to give incoming medical residents with stuff because the love was passed down to me and I'm going to pass it down. That's how it should be. I love that. Each one, reach one. Honestly, the spirit of worry about yourself should be amongst the people who have issues.
01:37:06
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Like, worry about yourself. Don't worry about what another subset of people have going on to try to change, like you mentioned, the wealth gap. Like, we're over here trying to help each other. The person who established it had lower income students becoming medical doctors in mind to help them out, to get a leg up. So if you don't need the leg, then use your two and shiver a leg away.
01:37:35
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Right. Mind your business, NYB. And I love, you know, DJ Absolute again, right? So, group economics is so important and it's something that's amiss in the Black community, right? Having the resources that we collaborate. Jewish communities do it, right? Russian communities, Albanian.
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in town communities. But group economics, that's something that we educated, right? Because to be able to foster the future, to be able to foster and engender opportunities that we need to build, we got to learn to work together. And the Med Grad Wishlist is allowing that to transpire for Hispanics, for blacks, like for any group that's underrepresented in medicine. This is just a starting foundation for that. Thank you for educating us today.
01:38:20
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