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Stay Sparked #15 "Alternative Healing"
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In this episode we talk about Alternative Healing. We talk about our own personal journeys with many different modalities of alternative healing from massage to crystal therapy to red light therapy to Reiki to Kambo and so much more. We also talked about skepticism and what it takes to receive the benefits these healing methods have to offer.
HOSTS
BETSY FINKLEHOO is a healer of massage therapy, CranioSacral and Dharma Coaching. She is an 8 year burner and has spent the last several years seeped in the personal development world, cultivating her passion for transformation and growth. Her recent project, The Power Affirmation Journal and virtual group empowers women to cultivate self awareness and healthy habits so they can live in greater freedom, mind body and spirit.
http://poweraffirmation.com/
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HALCYON is full-time Love Ambassador. He is the founder of Hug Nation YouTube channel and daily zoom gratitude circles. He is co-founder of the Pink Heart Burning Man camp and the 1st Saturdays project for people experiencing homelessness. In his free time he coaches individuals on how to live joyfully and authentically. His other podcast is "Hard on the 80's."
http://links.hugnation.com
JANUS REDMOON is a 10-time Burner, and has spent the last several years as an advocate for psychedelic medicine research and treatment. He is the founder and CEO of NuWorld Nutritionals, a nutritional supplement company providing mushroom-based, all-natural products to improve and maintain health for both body and mind. (Use code "SPARKED" for 10% off)
http://www.nuworldnutritionals.com
MASSIVE Thank you to Dub Sutra for their beautiful opening music. Check out their incredible music catalogue online.
https://dubsutra.com
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Stay Sparked' and Hosts
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Welcome to Stay Sparked.
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On this show, we explore how to stay inspired in the modern world through the most profound lessons from Burning Man, relationships, entrepreneurship, psychedelics, spirituality, travel, and more.
The Rise of Alternative Healing
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On today's episode, we talked about alternative healing and how it is becoming more mainstream and touching on some of the skepticism that some of us have.
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We also talk about our own personal journey with many different modalities of alternative healing from crystal therapy to red light therapy to Reiki and so much more.
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Yes.
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And what do we need to do to kind of set ourselves up to receive the benefits that these alternative healing methods have to offer us?
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Enjoy the episode.
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Welcome to Stay Sparked.
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We are three friends here to share conversations that aim to inspire and light you up.
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Thank you guys for listening out there.
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If you've been enjoying these conversations, we absolutely appreciate you leaving us a rating and a review on Apple Podcast, and please share to help spread the sparks.
Meet the Hosts: Betsy, Halcyon, and Yanus
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I'm Betsy.
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I'm Halcyon.
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And I am Yanus.
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I am the creator and founder of the Power Affirmation Project, as well as a holistic healing practitioner sharing many different modalities to uplift and inspire and teaching skills for sustainable happiness.
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I am the author of Love More, Fear Less, Float More, Steer Less, and the host of the Hug Nation YouTube channel.
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And I am the founder and CEO of New World Nutritionals, a nutritional supplement company focused on mushroom-based supplements that help you achieve a healthy state of mind.
Gratitude and Personal Growth
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We always love starting these conversations with gratitude.
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So Halcyon, what are you grateful for this morning?
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I'm feeling grateful for old friends.
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I got the chance to gather with a group of guys where
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the new kid in our group we met 20 years ago, but the oldest friends I've known 45 years.
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And there's just something so magical about the level of shared experiences and witnessing people go through these journeys.
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And there's just this level of unconditional love amongst friends that you've just known so long.
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So I'm grateful for long time friendships.
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That's amazing.
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I love that so much.
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Nice.
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Beautiful.
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How about you, Janus?
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What are you grateful for today?
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I am grateful for...
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I guess just trust and connection and finding myself at the end of last week in a somewhat crunchy place in a few different areas of my life and kind of having the trust that things will work themselves out as long as I hold myself open to that possibility and finding that that is actually how it unfolded and transpired.
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Like there's always this like
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often there is a need or a drive to fix things.
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And sometimes you just have to let things be.
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And I had the trust to just let things be and just let them unfold how they're going to unfold.
Exploring Healing: Physical, Emotional, and Spiritual
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And things kind of sorted themselves out without me having to do a lot of work to make that happen.
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And having the trust to do that was something that is some wisdom I've gained through the years.
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So I was happy to see that come to fruition.
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So having, having trust in, in life is something that I'm great.
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Something that I'm grateful for today.
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Amazing.
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Beautiful.
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Thank you for sharing that.
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And I will share my gratitude for my body's resiliency and for my health.
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Oftentimes it's, uh, more gratitude comes when we get sick.
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And so I am coming out of a, uh,
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a portal, I'll call it.
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I got sick last week and got knocked down pretty hard.
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You might even be able to hear a little bit of my voice.
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But I am really grateful that I have been able to really utilize all my tools to be able to rebuild my body's strength and resiliency.
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and to watch how giving myself the rest that I needed and tending to the things that my body was asking for is really helping me to come through and to ride it out in the most graceful way.
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So I'm really, really grateful to be on the other side and feeling really healthy and get to be here with you guys today.
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Isn't that the way that you get knocked down and suddenly you remember how good it feels to be standing up?
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Yes.
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You know, don't take our health for granted.
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Yep.
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Yep, absolutely.
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Well, it's kind of perfect because here we are.
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The topic of today's Sparked episode is really all about healing and alternative healing.
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And what is that?
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And what is our relationship to alternative healing?
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And so I'd love to start us off with a question.
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So why don't we start with you, Yanus.
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I'm curious about your own personal experience with transformational healing or alternative healing.
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Have you experienced that?
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Do you have perspectives to start us off?
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Sure.
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And I feel it's also important to start off with the acknowledgement that there's several types of healing that we're talking about or referring to whether that is physical healing.
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emotional healing, mental healing, spiritual healing.
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There's all sorts of different ways to go about that and some definitely leads into the other.
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And I think my first real experience with alternative healing would be with body work and massage and things like that, which has definitely gotten acknowledged as being essential for most of us.
Alternative Healing and Mainstream Medicine
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But there was a time that I remember where that was really looked at as an alternative mode of healing.
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And a lot of people are like, okay, you're just getting your body rubbed down or whatever.
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But
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And there's definitely levels to that.
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And there's definitely levels of, you know, skill with practitioners.
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But when you find the right person for that, it can really, it can go beyond the physical and into the, you know, emotional and spiritual things as spiritual realms as well.
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But just, just with body work, feeling like, you know, not only am I working out like my muscles or joints or whatever, but like moving blockages, which like, like energetic blockages, like kind of just working with like,
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getting, you know, removing a blockage that helps you to feel lighter about whatever it is you're processing at that time.
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And there's a, a lot of practitioners who don't necessarily talk about that, but that's also kind of part of their thing.
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I kind of want to download.
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And so I've gone into massage, just, just looking for massage, but definitely also afterwards feeling lighter about a situation that was going on in my life and realizing, but not even being told or, or
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even advertised by the, by the body worker that I was with, I was like, wow, I feel so much better about this thing now.
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And they're like, oh yeah, that's kind of, that was kind of the, that was kind of the thing on the, on the down low as well.
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So that was my first experience with, you know, effective alternative forms of healing, so to speak.
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Amazing.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Yeah.
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I think it's interesting and you're so right that things that were just a few years ago were not considered healing are now absolutely accepted.
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I was at dinner with my dad last week, who's 81 and, uh,
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Mike Wilberg – Like my we asked him you know what are some of the weirdest things that he believes in you know it's trying to and he's like nothing I don't believe anything alternative you know.
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Mike Wilberg – And i'm like well, but you do like after you had some health scares you know you now meditate, you know, and you get acupuncture and and which.
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five years ago, I think there's no way he would have done that.
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But it's like the medical community has now taken these things that were once in the realm of like super alternative and said, no, these actually are clearly work.
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And so his, you know, cancer doctors were like, these are the things that you should do if you want to be healthy is things that five years ago would have been whispered about or say, okay, you should
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So true.
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I know.
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And it's so funny because acupuncture in particular has been used for hundreds and hundreds of years, if not longer, you know, that was probably.
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And I think I'd like to just jump in that.
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So I am my father's son, and I did have a long history of skepticism in my life.
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And I remember when I was graduating from college, I was in psychology and
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I was looking at things like the Naropa Institute and Esalen and these kind of alternative healing places.
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And my professor, my guide was like, there's some really beautiful things on the fringes, but you need to know that once you cross the line out of kind of the mainstream, there's a lot of charlatans.
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You know, there's a lot of stuff out there that you just never quite know where they're coming from and if it's real.
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And unfortunately, that kind of stuck with me pretty hard.
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You know, so I have been...
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working from a pretty skeptical, very mainstream sciencey headspace for a long time, having little experiences here and there.
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But I think that perspective itself has hindered not only my ability to try things, but even when I do try them, kind of clouding my ability to see and feel what was happening.
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And so I'm really grateful that I'm kind of in a chapter now in my life where I'm
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eager and hungry and open to these things.
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So as we are discussing this, I'm jotting down notes and I'm excited to hear your experiences.
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And I'm so grateful to have people in my life like you guys that have a more grounded experiential history with healing that at one time was really outside my acceptable range.
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So thank you.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, it's been a journey for me because, you know, I went to massage school when I was 22.
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And when I signed up to go to massage school, I thought I was going to learn how to rub bodies.
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which essentially that is what I was going to learn.
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And I learned so much more.
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It opened up this whole other world for me to see beyond just the rubbing of tissues.
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I, of course, learned a lot of the physical stuff and learned anatomy and just how the body works and movement and all of that.
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but also i started learning about energy and i also started to learn all these other types of modalities like acupressure and cranial sacral and energy healing and crystal therapy and sound healing and it just was just opened my eyes in such a profound way that absolutely changed my life
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And in that experience of going to school for it, I got to experience a lot of it, right?
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So I got to receive so many different types of modalities from that curious mindset, right?
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So I love that you're speaking to your skeptical nature, right?
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But it's very healthy, I think it was like the fifth agreement, right?
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You know, the four agreements, but the fifth agreement is healthy skepticism.
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So that is a good thing.
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And I also had that going into it, but also curiosity and had the privilege of getting to have so much hands on experience that I started to see that this stuff actually works.
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And it's been a journey.
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So that was, gosh, almost 20 years ago.
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Yes, I'm aging myself.
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Do you remember something that happened to you or some treatment where you're like, whoa, whoa.
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yeah oh yeah i remember i was in a class for crystal healing and back then i was kind of like what's the deal with crystals anyways i was like these are rocks they're they're awesome they're so pretty and i'm so attracted to them but
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you know, how do these people know what they do?
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And, you know, there's all this information about them, but I was so curious around it.
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And so I took a class and I was in this class and I had crystals on me and the student was working on me.
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And all of a sudden I saw my body from above and I was floating like on the ceiling.
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And I was like, oh, this is weird.
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And then all of a sudden I saw the teacher walk over and she put a black stone in my hand called hematite.
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And she told the student, she was like, oh, she puts the hematite in my hand and all of a sudden it was like, dropped right back into my body.
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And she goes, yeah, you got to be careful.
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Like you guys, did you just see her leaving her body?
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He's like, oh, is that what was happening?
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It was like, oh, wow.
Spiritual Experiences and Crystal Healing
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Okay.
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So that was probably like the first time I had ever experienced a really profound spiritual experience and a healing session.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, that's yeah, I've got a number of crystal stories I could share, which we could do.
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We could do another time with not really having any sort of thought or belief about crystals, but seeing them in action and then learning afterwards.
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Like, oh, yeah, that's that's for that.
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I was like, oh, OK, interesting.
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Yeah.
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But there was there was one time where a girlfriend of mine who was a who was a body worker, she was and this is kind of the beginning of my own experience with alternative healings.
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We were in a group session, just hanging, hanging with friends.
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And she put her hands on a friend of a friend of ours, like on his back and both his like calves and hamstrings immediately like cramped and like seized up in his latest.
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And he was like, ah, she was like, oh, a whole bit.
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And she was like, oh, I'm so sorry.
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I was like, what was that about?
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And like she had just put her hands on him.
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And then coming to find out like there's a whole like meridian that runs along like energy meridian that if you if you are, you know, if your hands are warmed up or whatever, like you put them on.
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And that is a potential thing that could happen.
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And realizing like, oh, I could touch somebody here.
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And that affects like.
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the extension of your limbs and all you're doing is touching.
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Um, that was my first real, like it was my first, one of my first like moments of being like, wow, there is something to this whole like energy and meridian through the body that gets, that is very much a part of like acupressure, acupuncture, body work, um, as well.
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Like there's a lot of that stuff that goes into that, which is really not acknowledged by Western medicine, that there's any sort of
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energy lines within the body uh that can be accessed and or and or healed um by just be a be a touch or you know whatever modality you're looking into so that was my first um kind of awakening to that um when it comes to body work and i have had some experience with like things like and maybe betsy could speak to this as as far as things like um
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like these crystal mats or these crystal bio mats, um, that you can lie on and to, to kind of help you with real relax or releasing stress or a number of, a number of other things.
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And, you know, having, whether it's like an amethyst bio matter, a jade bio matter, something like that.
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Um, that's also potentially heated as well.
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So there's all sorts of things that I have experienced
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in you know in the in the healing journey that have that have found that i found some real good success with and real good results with yes i use a heated crystal mat pretty much every day especially in the winter but what it's doing is it's um it's using infrared to heat up the crystals and then the crystals emit that uh negative ions and the heat of course is great for circulation
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And so circulation just has a whole slew of benefits.
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And it's just also really deeply restorative and relaxing and helps just on so many different levels.
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So yeah, I would consider those kinds of things of your own biohacking, alternative healing modalities, right?
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And your own self-healer.
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The other thing I use too for my healing practice is red light therapy, which is different than infrared.
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Red light therapy produces a spectrum of light frequencies that is red.
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And it helps to bring cellular renewal.
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It helps boosting mood.
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It helps with so many different things.
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I mean, it's something I do almost daily.
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for the last couple of years.
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And it has really helped me to just feel good, especially in the winter again.
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It's like when there's not as much sun.
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So real quick, not that we have to get all deep in the weeds about it, but I'm curious as to, is that something that you, the red light therapy, is that something that is, you absorb that through the skin or is that a visual thing or is it both?
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both both okay yeah mostly through the skin yeah it helps with skin as well and muscle repair and yeah healing it's really great for any wounds or injuries yeah
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Okay.
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One thing I've experienced in the realm of plant medicines is a lot of healing via ayahuasca and to a different degree mushrooms.
Plant Medicines and Personal Experiences
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But one thing I have not done is combo, which is the frog, the frog, I guess, poison, I guess.
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Poison's a good word.
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Therapy.
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Poison's a good word.
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Yeah.
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So I think you two have some experience with that.
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Can we touch on that for a little bit and what your experiences have been with that?
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It's definitely healing.
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It's very healing.
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It comes from a frog.
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They apply burns to the skin and then rub the poison into the, or apply the poison into the fresh burns.
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And then you purge a whole bunch.
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It is not a psychedelic.
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My experience- It's called warrior medicine.
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Warrior medicine.
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So my experience was-
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super intense.
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Um, it, I passed out, uh, the two times that I've done it.
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Um, and, and I didn't have a, uh, a noticeable enough experience that, that I felt like it was something that I wanted to continue with the, the, the, the struggles that I was having with it or the, the, the discomfort versus feeling better.
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I mean, one of the things at the time I was kind of hoping that it would, uh, when I was, I was like, I'm kind of,
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feeling like I'm going for a beer a little too often.
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And I've heard people say that this is something that could be a, you know, help with, with those kinds of patterns and habits.
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And I felt like later in the day after doing it, I wanted a beer.
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You know, this is, this is maybe this is me and my skeptical place where I was not open to this, the, the, the depth of it.
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There could be subtleties that I'm just not in tune with.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's a deep, it's a very deep process.
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Um, I'll speak to the combo part in a moment, but I feel like, um, what you're speaking to essentially is in the realm of healing, whether it's, uh, doing a really deep, uh, experience like combo or getting a really deep body work session or acupuncture or getting the circulation going.
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I like to consider it as like,
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We have this stream running through us, right?
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And if there is debris that gets into the stream, then there's blockages, right?
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There is like clogged energy, clogged lymph, clogged just all kinds of different things that get stopped up in our physical bodies, in our energetic bodies, right?
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And so when we can go in and do these little cleanups, right, clear out the debris, then things start to flow more, right?
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Yannis, you're speaking to the massage that you got where afterwards you're feeling lighter and you feel more clarity coming through about your certain life situations.
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It's like, well, it's like that practitioner came in and helped you clear some of those branches and the boulders that may have fallen into the flow of your energy.
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You know, the combo is really powerful from the Amazon.
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It is a frog, yeah, the combo frog, and it basically, yeah, is used to help to clear and eradicate any density and toxicity in the body.
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It has been known to help with lots of different disorders, especially things that are...
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like eczema and skin things, things that are getting the lymph out.
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It's helped with Lyme.
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There's lots of research now that how much it's been really helping people to clear toxicity from the body.
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And so from what I've experienced is that when you partake
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in this experience as a very ceremonial experience.
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It's not just like, oh yeah, somebody's just gonna give it to, administer it to.
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It's very held in reverence and sacredness.
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And the practitioner is usually a medicine person or a shaman that is able to hold that space for you to have a deeply transformational experience.
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And yes, it's really uncomfortable.
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I had the same experience, Halsey, and I was like, wait,
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I'm paying somebody to burn my skin so that way I purge.
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It's like, yeah, it's so intense.
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But what I found is a real profound level of lightness afterwards, right?
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Because it's like similar to like if you do a cleanse, right?
00:22:47
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You do a three-day cleanse, 10-day cleanse.
00:22:50
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You do maybe a Clonix, right?
00:22:52
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It's clearing, it's pulling things out that are ready to be released.
00:22:56
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And the combo is essentially that on a very deep,
00:23:01
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mental, physical, emotional, spiritual way.
00:23:05
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It's really profound.
00:23:07
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Not for everybody, of course.
00:23:09
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And like you said, I'm not an expert.
00:23:11
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I've done it maybe four times.
00:23:13
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But I will say that it is an alternative healing modality that is becoming more available to people because there is
00:23:21
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a lot of healing that is needed.
00:23:24
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And I feel like that's part of the reason why I love talking about this topic, because it feels like the alternative healing and healing is an important part of our world.
00:23:36
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There's so much toxicity that we all navigate every single day from healing
00:23:41
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drinking plastics to breathing in chemtrails to all the exhaust to social media there's there's a lot of things that we're processing all the time and it's important for us to find ways that we can clear cleanse our system and really stay in alignment to our natural body's um biomagnetic magnetic field and just uh intelligence right i think um
00:24:10
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Yeah, and that speaks to something else that came to mind for me in that what Halstead is talking about, which you're both talking about, I think it's important to acknowledge that
00:24:21
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The skepticism that somebody that you might have about any sort of modality is healthy.
00:24:26
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You can definitely go a little too far with it where you're not necessarily open to what it has to offer.
00:24:32
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But I think it's important to – because you should have skepticism with Western accepted modalities as well.
00:24:39
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If you're talking to a –
00:24:42
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You know, a surgeon who's going to like, who's always, who's going to recommend surgery because that's what they do.
00:24:46
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It's like, it might not always be the, the thing that you need.
00:24:49
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Uh, so it's important to, you know, get second opinions and get, um, you know, have that healthy skepticism, no matter what Avenue you're going down.
00:24:57
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Um, and then it also, the other end of that spectrum.
00:25:02
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is that when it comes to the healing aspect of it, you got to want it.
00:25:09
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There's a lot of times we go into something, whether it's, I've gone into a massage where I wasn't able to
00:25:16
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I guess, fully relax, or I had just too much going on mentally.
00:25:19
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And I just couldn't get myself to receive the benefits of that.
00:25:23
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And that's just what I want with like massage.
00:25:25
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I've, I've, I've also gone into other areas, like, you know, whether it's a plant ceremony, we're just, I just wasn't able to kind of let go and receive the benefits that, that this, that this method had to offer.
00:25:37
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And I think it's important that we,
00:25:39
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acknowledge like before we jump into something it's like okay so you gotta want it you gotta want to get that what it is that you're thinking that you might be going for be like okay so i am open i'm actually really open to receiving what there is here for me it's like with with um you know with housing your your combo experience with like wanting to you know get past let's say the desire to have a beer or whatever there's probably something outside of the whole combo experience that you needed to kind of process and and
00:26:09
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let go of in order for that you know sort of like transition to work for you um i think we've all found ourselves in a in a position like that of not being able to receive the thing that we're kind of looking for so um so yeah so there's all sorts of work to be done you know we gotta we gotta help that modality to to get us to where we're looking to get to
00:26:31
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And that's true really with any belief, including beliefs that are just in our minds.
00:26:38
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I mean, a placebo works because you believe that it's going to help you.
00:26:42
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And so if you don't believe something's going to help you, even if it is helping you, you're fighting it.
00:26:47
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So I think you're right.
00:26:48
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There's a lot to be said for you being open to it and being on the same side as the healing and not fighting it.
00:26:55
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Yeah.
00:26:58
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I love that
Burning Man and Alternative Healing Insights
00:26:59
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so much.
00:26:59
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And, you know, I'm feeling sparked to check in with you guys about how your Burning Man experience has provided any insight into alternative healing.
00:27:11
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Because here we are, we're all longtime burners.
00:27:13
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This is a very common thread.
00:27:15
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I think a lot of you guys out there listening have been to Burning Man.
00:27:18
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You know, it's obviously so much more than a party in the desert.
00:27:22
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It's not just all about music and dancing all night, but there's workshops and there's very deeply healing experiences out there.
00:27:32
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So can either of you share any of your sparks of healing from being out on the playa?
00:27:39
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Yeah, certainly.
00:27:40
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That's where I was introduced to a lot of the concepts that we're talking about today and that we haven't even began to touch on today.
00:27:49
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It's been out there on the playa because like you said, there's a lot on offer out there.
00:27:54
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I actually had a couple of really good meditation sessions out there, believe it or not.
00:27:59
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In addition to all the stimulus that's out there, there are places where you can kind of sit and drop into meditation in a small group or one-on-one or in a larger group.
00:28:09
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And definitely having that experience of sitting in meditation and having somebody kind of just do a guided meditation, sometimes along with another modality, like let's say sound healing, where somebody is, you know,
00:28:22
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you know playing the singing bowls or playing the crystal bowls or like a harp or something something along those lines that really drops you into this meditative state and yeah so that's my first experience with guided meditation was out there and having some really being
00:28:36
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Profound experiences and being like, wow, there's there's something here and feeling feeling that lightness to come out of that.
00:28:44
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And one time I went to and I went to a sound meditation pretty hungover from the night before and just sitting just lying there for an hour and having these bowls and, you know, other instruments played over me.
00:28:57
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Definitely feeling like some sort of like processing whatever the toxicity or oxidants that were in my body and coming out of that an hour feeling absolutely like recharged and rejuvenated.
00:29:10
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And the only difference was sitting and having some sound waves like wash over me.
00:29:15
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It's like, well, OK, there is something to that as well.
00:29:17
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So, yeah, Burning Man is a great place for that.
00:29:20
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And you mentioned about you will find places or spaces where you can drop into things.
00:29:26
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And I think that idea of
00:29:29
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these safe spaces is one of the huge healing aspects that I witness at Burning Man, where there's so much that we have access to in ourselves that we hold the reins on for fear of how it will be seen or judged in the default world.
00:29:49
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But when you have
00:29:51
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a space, whether it's, you know, a dome or an event, a meditation, a talk, and you're surrounded by people where you very quickly within that community space of feel safe.
00:30:03
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There's a real healing aspect to allowing, you know,
00:30:09
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a movement or words or thoughts to come out and know that you will be accepted for it.
00:30:14
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That radical inclusion, radical self-expression that is so embraced.
00:30:19
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It's just being in a container that supports that, I think allows a ton of self-healing.
00:30:25
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It's not a modality, but it's actually maybe there is like a safe space is a really beautiful tool.
00:30:31
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Yeah.
00:30:32
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Set and setting is what you're talking about.
00:30:34
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Like the environment, like getting that dialed in can bring, you know, kind of allows these, you know, positive results to happen.
00:30:40
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Absolutely.
00:30:41
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And then we can relax, right?
00:30:42
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Because if the environment is not supportive or it doesn't feel safe, then we can't relax, right?
00:30:49
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And how do we let go of our skepticism if we're all like tight, you know, how can we actually allow the
00:30:56
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energy to flow, that stream to flow if I don't feel relaxed and safe in my body.
00:31:03
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So speaking of tight, I just wanted to, in a personal level, as we were talking a minute ago, I felt myself get all tight up and I felt like I didn't want to make sure, I wanted to like, well, I'm not endorsing combo, I don't know.
00:31:18
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It was weird, this skepticism or this, but what's cool for me is that that awareness that I was having in my body, that connecting to these thoughts and old patterns,
00:31:30
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was a new thing for me.
00:31:31
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So like, okay, cool.
00:31:32
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I'm, I'm the funny daddy skeptic in the room, but, but I'm also growing.
00:31:36
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Yay.
00:31:38
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Yeah.
00:31:40
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And I, and, and I think it's, it's important to also acknowledge for anybody who's listening.
00:31:45
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We're not necessarily endorsing any one thing over the other or any one thing, even on its own.
00:31:51
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It's just, these are, these are our experiences.
00:31:53
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This is what we have, um,
00:31:56
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experience with these various modalities, your mileage may vary if you if you decide you want to you decide you want to try any of these out.
00:32:03
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Yes, absolutely.
00:32:05
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And here we are.
00:32:06
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We are three friends that love getting together to just chat.
00:32:10
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This is like basically what
00:32:12
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you guys are getting to experience is a little window into the conversations that we get to have at a gathering.
00:32:19
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And it feels really good to just be inspired here, the three of us, and get a chance to share with you guys some of our own personal experiences on these different kinds of things.
00:32:27
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So yeah, personal experiences.
00:32:29
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I'm curious, Betsy, as a practitioner, if you have experiences, you know, with clients or with people that you're working with, anything that is
00:32:38
Speaker
been memorable or that just keeps you inspired to be on your path?
00:32:42
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Is that too big a question?
00:32:45
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How much time do we have?
00:32:48
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So as I mentioned, I've been doing body work and healing work for almost 20 years, and I have seen so many different things and experiences.
Betsy's Journey to Intuitive Healing Practice
00:32:59
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When I first started out, just like most practitioners, I worked at a spa and it was very cookie cutter, kind of spa-like experience where they say, okay, when you work on a person, it's 55 minutes.
00:33:13
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You have to have five minutes on each leg, five minutes on each arm.
00:33:17
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You have 15 minutes on the back.
00:33:18
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Then you turn them over and you do this very specific protocol.
00:33:23
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And it was, you know, it was a training that I was going through.
00:33:27
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And during that time, I was starting to feel some more intuition coming through.
00:33:33
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I was starting to notice certain things when I was working on people.
00:33:37
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It was much more than just this like physical experience.
00:33:42
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And so I started to incorporate a little bit of crystals into the space.
00:33:48
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I just started putting them around the room when I would be working or underneath the table.
00:33:54
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And I noticed people starting to have these deeper experiences.
00:33:58
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And I think one of the first times I was working at the spa, I realized there was something much more.
00:34:05
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So I had this stranger come in, like not uncommon.
00:34:10
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I had lots of different people that I had never met and probably will never see again.
00:34:14
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come in, this guy had this profoundly healing experience, like just so much energy moving.
00:34:20
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He was having all these insights.
00:34:22
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He was getting just like so many deep breaths and just like opening and unlocking something.
00:34:29
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And I wasn't doing anything too different except for one thing that I really noticed
00:34:34
Speaker
was the deep level of presence that I was able to access because of his receptivity.
00:34:40
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Right?
00:34:41
Speaker
Sometimes people come in and they, like you guys were talking about, or maybe just kind of like block to receiving in their head, kind of just like not really fully present.
00:34:52
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Well, this guy was really present.
00:34:54
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He was ready for it.
00:34:55
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He was open.
00:34:56
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He was receiving, which then that also helped me open to be even more present.
00:35:02
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Right?
00:35:02
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And so by the end of the session,
00:35:04
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we both were like, wow, that was absolutely beautiful.
00:35:10
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That felt like miracles just happened in the last hour.
00:35:15
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And so that was the catalyst for me to start my own practice.
00:35:19
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So when I started to see that there was so much more available and we can really explore these different realms of the modalities and kind of get out of that cookie cutter.
00:35:29
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And then once I started to have my own practice,
00:35:33
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my own practice, I can incorporate sound healing and aromatherapy and really adjust each session per person and then infuse intention into the sessions.
00:35:44
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That's when everything started to change.
00:35:48
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some of the sessions that I've seen people go through, whether it is a one-time session or working with me for many, many sessions, just seen so much beautiful growth and evolution and personal insight.
00:36:02
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And, you know, I feel like, you know, I could go into some of these, but I feel like the sparks that I want to share is really important.
00:36:11
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the realization that, you know, when we are holding a sacred space for somebody to have a transformational experience, as a healer, we're not healing anyone.
00:36:24
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Right.
00:36:24
Speaker
I used to think that when, you know, I was this young thing, like, Oh, I'm going to be a healer and I heal people.
The Role of Healers in Self-Healing
00:36:30
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Um, but I quickly started to realize like, Oh no, no, no.
00:36:34
Speaker
We're all our own healers, right?
00:36:36
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We're each here.
00:36:37
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We have these abilities to heal ourselves and a skilled practitioner creates a sacred space for each person to have their own healing.
00:36:45
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Right.
00:36:46
Speaker
And so I have just,
00:36:49
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loved getting to create those beautiful spaces for people to come into my embrace and into, um, this environment to simply be held and to witness these transformations that people are having.
00:37:03
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Um, and so, yeah, I love, I love that, um, to be able to hold a sacred space for somebody and witness their healing rather than healing them.
00:37:14
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That's beautiful.
00:37:15
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Yeah.
00:37:17
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So one thing that I've experienced with body work, and it's kind of what Betsy is speaking to, I've had all sorts of different modalities when it comes to things like massage.
00:37:31
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And I found looking back on it, I found that the, the best results I've gotten, or the longest lasting results I've gotten are from practitioners who have a strong intuitive, intuitive, um, practice when, and so that they don't just do Swedish or shiatsu or, or any other, or, you know, sports massage, um,
00:37:52
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types of modalities that there is a strong intuitive practice where it's like, okay, I'm just going to go with the flow and see how it feels.
00:38:00
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Those are the ones that have really got me.
00:38:03
Speaker
They're like, okay, we're just going to put my hands on you, start working and see what
00:38:09
Speaker
what happens see where it goes and which sounds like a like okay well that's an that's an odd way to go about it but it is those are far and away my best my best sessions have been the ones that there is an intuitive um aspect to the practitioner and they're and they're very upfront about that as well so that's been those have been my good ones and that was also when i first
00:38:32
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had an experience with Reiki, which is something it's, it's like an energy, you know, energy work practice that gets a lot of eye rolls from a lot of people, even like a lot of my friends.
00:38:43
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Oh my, Oh, they're a Reiki practitioner.
00:38:45
Speaker
But I had a,
00:38:47
Speaker
session where that was incorporated without really telling me.
00:38:52
Speaker
She was just moving some stuff and she had her hands over me, but it really felt like her hands were on me and really moving some stuff around.
00:39:02
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I could feel them moving.
00:39:03
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It was my first experience with that.
00:39:05
Speaker
I was like, what is...
00:39:06
Speaker
what is that?
00:39:07
Speaker
Oh my gosh, what is happening back there and coming out and it's feeling so good afterwards.
00:39:11
Speaker
I'm like, what were you doing?
00:39:13
Speaker
Like at the, at the last tail end of that, she's like, Oh, that was Reiki and so on and so forth.
00:39:17
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It's just like, I wasn't really touching you.
00:39:19
Speaker
I'm like, what do you mean you weren't touching me?
00:39:20
Speaker
I totally felt she's like, no, that's like the last 10 minutes was really just my hands over you, not on you.
00:39:25
Speaker
And I'm just, I got it.
00:39:26
Speaker
I didn't believe it at first, but then after talking to her, I thought, Oh, okay, I guess so.
00:39:31
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But yeah,
00:39:32
Speaker
Having that first experience of my, without knowing it was coming, kind of opened up my eyes so that later when people were like, oh, I'm a Reiki practitioner.
00:39:42
Speaker
I was like, well, I actually have some experience with that.
00:39:45
Speaker
And it felt legit to me.
00:39:46
Speaker
So that was able, so that kind of opened me up to the idea of energy work.
00:39:51
Speaker
And that was a, that was a,
00:39:53
Speaker
you know, a functional modality, like a real practice that people that that would get, you know, would and could get people to experience various levels of healing.
00:40:04
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So yeah, that was a good thing through another that's something else worth looking into.
00:40:09
Speaker
Yeah, I love Reiki.
00:40:10
Speaker
Reiki is such a you know what Reiki actually means?
00:40:14
Speaker
Spiritual energy.
00:40:16
Speaker
That's it.
00:40:17
Speaker
You know, we all have access to spiritual energy.
00:40:20
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We are spiritual energy.
00:40:22
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And so, yeah, when a practitioner is trained in how to move that spiritual energy, that it's really, it's so powerful.
00:40:29
Speaker
And then the other modality that I'll speak to that is, I guess, considered alternative healing is cranial sacral.
00:40:37
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Cranial sacral is really such a beautiful modality.
00:40:40
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It's very light touch.
00:40:42
Speaker
So oftentimes when you receive a session, it doesn't even feel like they're doing anything because you're five grams of pressure of the hands on the body.
00:40:53
Speaker
And it's working with the cerebral spinal fluid that basically is a fluid that goes around every nerve in our body.
00:41:01
Speaker
It protects our nervous system and our spinal cord.
00:41:04
Speaker
And it is...
00:41:05
Speaker
this is like crystalline liquid that moves through our body and it's working with that on a very, very subtle, subtle level.
00:41:13
Speaker
I love that so much, whether I'm receiving it or giving craniosacral, it is so powerful to be able to tune into a deep space of relaxation and unwinding and watch how
00:41:28
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the the cranial bones and the um the spine and the the sacrum like it's just all interconnected it is if you haven't experienced cranial sacral i highly highly recommend it for just nervous system renewal for balance for um just restoration it's one of my favorites yeah
00:41:51
Speaker
And is it correct me if I'm wrong?
00:41:53
Speaker
Isn't that a lot of like, pressure work, let's say on the back of the skull, the back of the neck?
Understanding Cranial Sacral Therapy
00:41:58
Speaker
Or is it kind of all up and down the spine?
00:42:00
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It's all over the whole body.
00:42:02
Speaker
Okay.
00:42:02
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It's really like – I mean depending on the modality, which type you do.
00:42:06
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But the craniosacral is throughout the entire body.
00:42:10
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The main focus is on the head and the cranium, working on the sutures of the skull.
00:42:16
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The sutures are where the bones come together on the skull.
00:42:20
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And so, yeah, there's going to be some –
00:42:23
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points that are touched.
00:42:24
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There's not much pressure, though.
00:42:26
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You might feel like if you have had one, the occipital hold where there's some fingers on the back of your neck, that feels like probably the most amount of pressure that you'll get any cranial sacral session.
00:42:38
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But the rest is really light.
00:42:41
Speaker
interesting interesting so what's the type where they they get their fingers in your mouth and they like rolfing rolfing in the mouth no no rolfing is when you're like you're like bouncing on the massage table like there's a lot of forearm work and just i got rolf and there's fingers in my nose there's fingers all up in my mouth that was intense you could
00:43:03
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Yeah.
00:43:04
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Really?
00:43:04
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Yeah.
00:43:05
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Rolfing is basically like structural integration that is like putting bones in different places.
00:43:10
Speaker
Like it helps you get into alignment.
00:43:12
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Rolfing is a very, very deep modality where the practitioner, yeah, will push your muscles and like press in different ways to really help to adjust your muscles.
00:43:23
Speaker
your structure, right?
00:43:26
Speaker
So I'm not surprised that you had a practitioner do it in your mouth if they were trying to adjust certain things in your neck.
00:43:30
Speaker
Yeah, I haven't heard of that.
00:43:31
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Then again, you know, it was just a guy that I met whose name was Ralph and he was in an alley.
00:43:36
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So maybe it wasn't, maybe this is something- Was it a Burning Man?
00:43:38
Speaker
I don't know.
00:43:40
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Now that you mentioned it was a guy named Ralph, we just put his hands in my mouth.
00:43:43
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I take it back.
00:43:44
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Ralphing, yeah.
00:43:47
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Ralphing.
00:43:48
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Yeah, watch out for Ralphing.
00:43:50
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It was a while ago.
00:43:54
Speaker
Well, I feel like you guys have a lot to share, but maybe we should wind up and figure out a spark that we'd like to leave people with.
Overcoming Skepticism Towards Alternative Healing
00:44:04
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I'd like to leave with the idea of if you are identifying with my elements of skepticism, that I'm really benefited from talking to people I trust and having them share their experiences.
00:44:18
Speaker
Like as I've listened to you two tell these firsthand experiences of really beautiful experiences with crystals or with Reiki, that helps me to bypass old stories of
00:44:33
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eye rolling or whatever and it makes me really want to to to open up and so i i i'm appreciate these stories and i appreciate the the getting to to really be open to other people's experience and and also and reminding myself that um my own thoughts are in the way of it and so that's that's my final spark
00:44:59
Speaker
How about you, Yanus?
00:45:02
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I'm reminded of a saying, and this is not to belittle anybody's real, very real journeys into healing.
00:45:09
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We've all experienced physical ailments, emotional ailments that are very real.
00:45:16
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That said, there is a saying that does resonate with me in that the only thing that needs to be healed within us is the belief that we are not already whole.
00:45:27
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So getting, you know, so this, this journey of healing that we're all on, it's important to get to a place where you realize like, you know, we're not, we're not broken, but we all could use a, a tune up or an adjustment, um, or a realignment.
00:45:44
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And there's ways to go into that.
00:45:46
Speaker
So really, really dropping the idea that we are like these broken individuals, uh, that we need to, we need to fix ourselves.
00:45:53
Speaker
It's like, no, we, we can just like, just like a vehicle, just like a car.
00:45:57
Speaker
It sometimes needs a tune-up, needs an oil change, needs all sorts of procedures to keep it functioning.
00:46:03
Speaker
Our bodies are the same.
00:46:04
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Our emotional bodies are the same as well.
00:46:07
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Going into it with an idea like, okay, just a little tune-up.
00:46:10
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Sometimes it's a major tune-up, but there's nothing wrong with it.
00:46:14
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Feeling like we need these things or that we would benefit from these things.
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So really going into it with that, with a, you know, a positive mindset and, you know, having skepticism, sure, but, or not, but, but, and realizing like there's nothing wrong with, you know, needing a little tune up on occasion, sometimes a major tune up.
Gratitude for Acceptance of Alternative Healing
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I'll just share a spark for me of how grateful I am that we live at a time where there is so much accessibility to many, many, many different types of alternative healing modalities, right?
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Sound healing, for example, is becoming much more recognized, much more available, much more just...
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a part of the world that we live in, right?
00:46:59
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Sound healing, maybe 10 years ago, even was so like, what, what's that?
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You know, now you can see them, you can see a sound bath and sound healing.
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Sound healing is even incorporated into some hospitals now, which is just amazing.
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And I just, yeah, I just really want to
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yeah, celebrate that we, with our healthy skepticism, we have opportunities to try so many different things to support our wellbeing.
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Right.
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And so, yeah, I love, um, the place that we live in Southern California, there happens to be many, uh, alternative healing modalities, but I see more and more, uh, available out there in the world and it's a hot topic.
00:47:39
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Yeah.
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So yeah, let's keep our systems cleansed, cleared, purified, keep that stream running, right?
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Receiving support from practitioners and from workshops and from these opportunities to help to remove the debris from our fields, mind, body, spirit.
00:48:01
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And speaking of that,
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We happen to have a practitioner among us.
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So Betsy, how could people find you and get more in tune with the tools that you offer?
Betsy's Offerings and Sustainable Happiness
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Oh, thank you so much, Halcyon.
00:48:15
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Yeah, I love getting to help people to get into greater states of alignment within themselves, mind, body, spirit.
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I use the Power Affirmation Journal as a foundation for helping to reprogram limiting beliefs.
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And I do the Power Affirmation Virtual Group, which basically helps people to not only reprogram limiting beliefs, but also to get into daily habits that support feeling really good.
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So embodiment practices, spiritual practices, mindset practices,
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So that way we can have sustainable happiness.
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And then also I work with people one-on-one virtually and do Dharma coaching as well as in person, body work, healing work, energy work, and just a lot of other wonderful ways to help to create beautiful practices that help us feel good.
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Yep.
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You can check me out.
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Poweraffirmation.com and Sparked is the discount code.
00:49:11
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And we also, I also created a free gift for you guys.
00:49:15
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So affirmations are my jam.
00:49:17
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I love affirmations.
00:49:18
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Repetition helps so much.
00:49:20
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And so if you guys want to check it out and listen to the show notes, there's a free download of an audio affirmation I created for you guys.
00:49:28
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Yay.
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Lucky us.
00:49:29
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Fantastic.
00:49:30
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What about you, Yunus?
00:49:32
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It's awesome.
00:49:34
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As I mentioned at the start of the show, I am the founder of a company called New World Nutritionals, which is spelled A-N-U, World Nutritionals.
00:49:42
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And our main product is a microdose product that is mushroom-based and allows people to access a healthy state of mind.
00:49:50
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It's good for treating symptoms of anxiety, depression, anxiety,
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um, PTSD, ADHD, anything neurological, mental base, which is linked to emotional.
00:50:00
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Um, you can get some good benefits with, uh, some solid nutrition and that's what the product is designed to do.
00:50:05
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So, and getting a lot of good results with people from elderly all the way down to teenagers.
00:50:10
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Um, it's, yeah, it's created initially for my own wellbeing, but being able to put that out in the world has gotten some really good results of people.
00:50:18
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So I'm happy to say that.
00:50:20
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And also offering a discount code for our products on the website, which is newworldnutritionals.com.
00:50:26
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Use the discount code SPARKED for 10% off of all of our products.
00:50:32
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Yay.
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And I have a few books available.
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I do daily gratitude gatherings in Zoom.
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that you are invited to.
00:50:42
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Those are free.
00:50:43
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And I produce t-shirts with adorable phrases like love more, fear less on them.
00:50:48
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And you can find all of those links at johnstin.com.
00:50:54
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Betsy, would you close us out with an affirmation?
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Yes, I love it.
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What a beautiful conversation.
00:51:02
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Thank you guys.
00:51:03
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So let's close it out.
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Eyes closed if you like, deep breath.
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I am healthy, vital, and whole.
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Repeating this affirmation, I am healthy, vital, and whole.
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I am healthy, vital, and whole.
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I am healthy, vital, and whole.
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I am healthy, vital, and whole.
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I am healthy, vital, and whole.
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If you like, you can let that affirmation just be on repeat in your mind.
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Sing it.
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Say it.
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Let it fuel your day.
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I am healthy, vital, and whole.
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And then watch yourself just rise and rise and rise and feel great.
00:51:48
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Stay sparked out there, you guys.
00:51:49
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Thanks for listening.
00:51:58
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Are you guys good with me to like kind of start us off with that question?
00:52:02
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Yes.
00:52:03
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Sure.
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Okay.
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I love you guys.
00:52:06
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Love you too.
00:52:08
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So grateful to be here.
00:52:09
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Love you too, Betsy.
00:52:10
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Thanks.
00:52:11
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Oh, yeah.
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And I love you too, Halcyon.
00:52:14
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I love you too.
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All right.
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All right.