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Tap Tap Cast // E09: LyleJeffIII: Are you in camp Lyle or Lyles?
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Join us for this episode of Tap Tap Cast where we chat with LyleJeffsIII, a Canadian trainer who has been taking the 2024 Pokemon Go season by storm. Lyle(s) has won two regionals this season and the crew talk about the Canadian local scene, if he thinks he can take down Doonebug97 another time, and his predictions of who is going to win Worlds!
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Amanda // www.twitter.com/Lundberger
Martijn // www.twitter.com/InadequancePOGO
Special Guest // www.twitter.com/LyleJeffsIII
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Transcript
Introduction & Hosts' Achievements
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome into the next episode of Tap Tap Cast. I am Lundberger, also known as Amanda. And I am Martijn, you may also know me as Inadequance. Good to be here again, Amanda. We just had a regional championship again, and this time a Magnezone one. What do you think of that? Yeah.
00:00:19
Speaker
Well, I think maybe Paula Shaw is pretty happy about that for sure with a really good Magnezone play at EUIC. Do you think we're going to see more Magnezone? Is it now a Magnezone meta? I mean, I know that you got third place. Thank you. Finally someone recognizing me.
00:00:36
Speaker
Oh, I just felt the need just coming out of the screen here. I'm like, okay, okay, we'll give it to him here. First actual really good Magnezone user of this season. I think it's... No, it's cool, it's cool. I think it's good. I think it's good. A lot of teams have like Triple Flyer and Magnezone have stuff played even into Gligar, so that's something that it has going for it with Steel Typing.
00:00:57
Speaker
Yeah, I think we should point out that it's a shadow, like a shadow Magnezone has play into even a Gligar, but I think regular Magnezone is less of a good matchup overall.
Challenges in Competitive Play: Visas & Remote Qualifiers
00:01:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, you get taken out by one ground type Jarstag, right? So.
00:01:10
Speaker
Yeah, so that was very exciting, Kanon. He's not sure yet about being able to go into Worlds because he needs to get like a visa approved, right? It's a little bit harder in Brazil than, well, from personal experience from Europe. For me, it has been very easy to get approval. And, well, for you, I think it's very easy as well. You're American. Yeah, super, super easy. I think I just have to buy a plane ticket.
00:01:37
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Also, there has been some other ones going on as well, some qualifiers. It wasn't really a regional competition, but I think in the... Yeah. Was it in Thailand? In Asia. I don't know all of them. Yeah, somewhere in Asia. Yeah, there was eight pack. We've had India. I don't know all of them at the top. I believe we had Taiwan.
00:01:57
Speaker
as well, if I'm not mistaken. We've seen some wild picks. I saw Hypno qualify, I saw a guerotine origin in Shadow Bastion core qualify. So that has been something I believe that the playoffs for those will be played in one or two weeks in the weekend.
Deep Sea Circuit & Worlds Excitement
00:02:15
Speaker
And I believe those tournaments are remote, so players are playing those from home. And yeah, hoping that they have a good connection on a good phone there.
00:02:23
Speaker
I think that's always a little bit scary, honestly, when you play remotely, right? Especially when it's competitive like that. So yeah, they played a Swiss bracket. I'm not sure if they play Swiss on day two, but it'll be good to see, right? It's the deep sea circuit. It's different from what we have. We have championship points now for the deep sea ice circuit, which is in Europe, Latin America, North America, Australia. But they have basically one remote qualifier
00:02:53
Speaker
every season. And then you qualify for another like top 16 or something that you have to play out. So yeah, it's a little bit. Yeah, it's pretty intense. It's rough. It's pretty rough for 8-back. Yeah, but if you're the best of your region, you should not be a problem. Yeah. And I think I'm pretty excited too, because at Worlds it's always interesting. Of course, with every region, some names are more well known than others, right? But I think as like North Americans and Europeans,
00:03:22
Speaker
Oceania region.
00:03:24
Speaker
We don't know as much about the APAC people who are playing. So they kind of have not an advantage necessarily, but they get to see and study a lot of like what's going on at the regionals if they really wanted to. But then what they're kind of doing is in a vacuum. So I think that a lot of them will be popping off. We're going to see a lot of names do well. They'll be like, okay, hadn't really heard of this person before.
Martijn's Performance & European Regionals
00:03:44
Speaker
I felt like that way at Worlds last year when I was like, oh man, some of these players are so good. And it's not that just because we haven't really heard of them or seen them play before.
00:03:52
Speaker
that they weren't well known within their communities. Yeah, exactly right. A lot of players that we don't know as much because they haven't been on the stream as much. Another thing that I want to point out, the EUIC Championship points have been added to the leaderboards. And I have dropped from spot 5 to spot 17. Yeah. Oh, man. No, for you. What is it? I think it's only the top eight, correct? Yeah.
00:04:15
Speaker
the travel so what are you going to do Martijn we only have two european regionals left but we are going to be at NAIC so this is also potential for you as well. I will be at all of them I cannot confirm nor deny how we're playing all of them but yeah it'll be challenging because
00:04:34
Speaker
99 points the first European to break a thousand and then obviously there's a lot of well-known names I'm gonna polish. You know finally has the points that she really should have for a level That's also because she doesn't really have a lot of locals nearby, right? We yeah, I mean she qualified for worlds without any points from locals. That's 400 points in Europe I mean, that's that's already something she's like like well name or something. But yeah, it's yeah, I think now she but
00:05:02
Speaker
Before, when she qualified, she had no locals to her name by the point that she qualified. So I mean, I think that that's incredibly good. Hopefully she can add some more to that. I know she just flew to Ghana in Spain. I believe she won two cups with Magda Zone.
Guest Interview: Lyle Jeffs
00:05:19
Speaker
Yeah, it's still going on. She's continuing to cook. It's probably going to be a Pokemon to watch in Stockholm and Indianapolis. I don't know if the Americans are going to be so much into it. I know that on the previous regional championship, three casters picked it and the best we got was a crunch charger book for Spice.
00:05:39
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, it's like in Europe as well. I talent flame was really popping off for a while at a couple of them, but it still hasn't really picked up an NA either. So I do think that the metas are slightly different overall.
00:05:51
Speaker
So, yeah, I'm really excited to see what's coming up in the coming weekends for, I mean, like, there's two left in North America. There's two regionals left at EUIC, or not in Europe as well. But I might not at UIC. Yeah, we're going to have to see. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Thinking of someone who has experience with the North America meta, we have someone who's very good at the game as a guest today. Have I not? Shall we head over? Yeah, let's go ahead and talk to Lyle Jeffs.
00:06:27
Speaker
All right, we're here with our guest, Lyle Jeffs. Welcome in, Lyle. How are you doing? I'm good, thank you. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, for those of you who are watching the video portion, it's almost like we're doing Carpool Karaoke maybe or something, especially with Lyle Jeffs here. He's kindly taking a break during his day to chat with us about his success so far this year in the Play Pokemon Championship Series and what success you have had.
00:06:54
Speaker
Thank you. It's not too busy today, but I don't think it would be a good idea to be talking out on podcasts like in my lunchroom. Makes sense. Let's head into your performances so far. That's what I want to get in. The first thing I want to ask is about last season, because I think in one of the videos in Play Pokemon,
00:07:21
Speaker
It said something like, you had a question which was like, what are you hoping to perform or what are you hoping to do next? And you said, I'm hoping to do better in Worlds, which then cut into, I'm going to win Worlds. How did Worlds go last season? It was very good until it wasn't. Let's just put it that way. I mean, it's no secret I did battle the world champion on stream at Worlds last year and I
00:07:50
Speaker
made a very big mistake in the first battle where I basically turned around like in a full RPS game and I had the game one and I just miss manage my energy. I thought that I needed one more a wing attack for a blast burn on my Charizard, but I was actually at it. So that that ended up costing me game one versus axon. And then I ended up going over for basically from that point and getting eliminated.
00:08:20
Speaker
from the tournament and that was in round three. We were playing it, we were battling in winners round three. So I just needed to win one more game to make day two or one more match. And I actually battled raw Jeff, the battle before oxen. So I was feeling really good. And then unfortunately that moment kind of like, I don't know. I I've been working a lot on my mental side of the game because I think I kind of just like crumbled.
00:08:48
Speaker
after making that mistake, right? Yeah. Okay, let's kind of talk about that then. What sort of mental fortitude did you go through to really become what you are this season? Because this season, you pretty much look unstoppable at this point. Yeah, I think mainly just I've been trying to get more reps in just in general, but also
00:09:15
Speaker
Yeah, just working on my general mindset at these tournaments, because I used to get kind of pretty nervous and such at these events, which I think was holding me back from actually performing well, because you can't really play to the best of your ability if you're extremely nervous or something like that.
00:09:40
Speaker
Um, I don't know what I necessarily did differently, but maybe just like having some success early on in the season to just help my confidence. So, and, uh, I just feel a lot more comfortable now, like, um, going to a regional or, or an event in general, like, um, yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's like also the experience, right? Yeah. Like after Pittsburgh, I just felt a lot more comfortable and then.
00:10:10
Speaker
I was still like, you know, nervous, but I was, I was like confident that I could, at least I've done it before. Like I've made a grand finals already. And, um, like after my early battles in Charlotte were like super tight, um, like razor thin margins, basically I've just started like snowballing from that point, I guess. Yeah. Let's, let's talk through Charlotte. Cause like you said, that was like one of your first like major, obviously successes this year.
00:10:39
Speaker
Um, can, can you walk the players through what happened then? Because maybe everyone didn't have a chance to, to see these battles.
Growth of Pokemon Tournaments
00:10:47
Speaker
Well, the, I was actually the first stream battle and I battled a trainer called, uh, pop and bubbles. And he had a leafage Laurentus and it was actually a nightmare to deal with. Um.
00:11:03
Speaker
And basically he, game one, he got his Skarmory on my Gligar and, you know, had very good alignment. Game two, he, he also RPS me again, but I was able to make like a, a catch at the end of the game. Uh, like a leaf blade catch on my Lickitung, which kind of like just, um, turn the tides of everything. Like in game three, I basically just steamrolled him. And then from that point on, like.
00:11:33
Speaker
I just felt, like I still had very close games, but I just felt a lot more like momentum building, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly. I just had a moment, like not gonna lie. It was about halfway through the first battle. And I was just thinking to myself, like, I'm not gonna lose in round one. Like I'm not letting it happen. Like screw this. I'm just gonna find a way to like win this. I don't even care what I need to do.
00:12:01
Speaker
and yeah i had to wait i paused like two turns to make the catch and after that i just kind of all came together so yeah that's good advice that's good advice make sure you know those right one i've done it quite a few times in the past uh so i know i know that feeling that's why i was saying like i had some nerves previously like
00:12:23
Speaker
Um, last season in Toronto and Orlando, I lost round one both times. And it's just like, it's very deflating. Um, even if you're feeling good and you're, even if you get RPS and you're playing well outside of that, just like that early loss just kind of sets you up for like, it's makes it very difficult. So.
00:12:44
Speaker
I do want to point out to listeners though. I mean, we have had a person even this season lose in round one and still become the regional champion because I think that that happened to do bug didn't it in a One of the previous technically, I think it was his first round, but it was technically round two But it's still basically I mean incredibly early
00:13:06
Speaker
Yeah. And very difficult obviously to overcome. I believe elite also lost in round two last year, but the tournament was smaller. San Antonio this year was like a massive tournament. So an early round loss, you were playing like insane amount of battles. Let's talk about that too. Let's talk about the growth of Pokemon. Cause you've been playing it pretty much since the beginning of the, like the whole championship series. What are your thoughts with
00:13:32
Speaker
how players are improving year after year, how we're getting more people. How would you encourage more people even to participate in these types of events? Or are you saying, no, no, I don't want any more hard competition. People stop playing. Yeah, I think it's good. It's definitely come a long way. My very first ever regional tournament was Vancouver 2022.
00:13:56
Speaker
And like, I believe there was like, at the time I didn't even realize, but now looking back on it, I think there was like 50 or 40 something people registered for that tournament. So it was like a very small one, right? But it was just my first experience. I didn't even realize kind of at the time, but since then, like this season in like NA, we're consistently getting over like pretty much a hundred people at most tournaments.
00:14:26
Speaker
And two of the, two of the tournaments that I've attended this season have also had like eight groups in them, which is like pretty good, not quite as large as some of the European, um, regionals, but, uh, you know, they're, they're slowly getting there and you're, if you're monitoring the numbers over time, um, like this is now the third year for Vancouver, let's say.
00:14:50
Speaker
It's still a smaller regional, but in terms of growth, like every year it is getting larger, right? Which is something nice to see. So hopefully it continues to grow. And also for the local scenes as well, like I've been really trying to get as many people out to our local events as possible. Definitely still room for growth there, but I think the main issue is just like people being aware that they're going on, right?
00:15:18
Speaker
I'm just trying to raise awareness for it, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Speaking of local, you have a brother who also plays, right? Yeah, my brother plays. He's technically not a local because he lives about an hour away from me. He lives with my parents, so sort of local. He does come to some of the cups and stuff we have here.
00:15:41
Speaker
We do have quite a good amount of battlers in our local scene. Like I'm battling, you know, S.S. Thorne quite often or Kevin Solidaras. Magmar Man shows up every once in a while with his strange Pokemon to try to, you know, confuse us. So we have a lot of really good people down here for sure. How's the competition between you two, you and your brother? I usually win, typically.
00:16:10
Speaker
Unless he, usually if he wins, he's like, it's hard. RPS. And I get really mad. Yeah. Yeah. He, he had like his liquor, my lick of tongues on his vigor off or something like that. I'm just like, bro, you can only win. You can only beat the RPS.
00:16:30
Speaker
Oh, that's a little bit of sibling rivalry. I've been talking a bit about locals and you said like the harder part is people just knowing about it. This week we've kind of been talking and hearing a lot about accessibility in Pokémon GO and I know that everyone has their own opinions on how accessible this game is.
00:16:47
Speaker
But in your opinion, like what are some things that you think could either make the game more accessible or are using like, here's some tips for those who maybe don't know.
Improving Accessibility & Awareness
00:16:58
Speaker
It's actually super accessible. Just do A, B and C. Um, yeah, it would be nice if there was like better, like, you know, for specific meta Pokemon, if there was like an easier way to encounter them, I guess.
00:17:14
Speaker
that would be I think the biggest hold back I mean you don't necessarily need legendaries and mythicals to compete at the regional level they're some of them pokemon are very strong but I don't know some people in this chat rely on them to win their regionals yeah I mean like on my charlotte theme I didn't have a legend like a mythical or legendary pokemon so I think it's it's perfectly like capable to be done but
00:17:41
Speaker
some mods like the accessibility for sure needs to be increased like specifically some of the shadows that are like really strong as well as like like let's say I wanted to build in a zoom role right now like you can't really do that if you're a new player right so it's not to like I know Niantic does bring stuff back around but it's kind of like
00:18:08
Speaker
They expect you to like wait for that time and then like play during that time to grind the resources. So it'd be nice if there is some other way they could do it. I don't know what that would be. Maybe there is some sort of like PvP incense or something. I have no idea. Yeah. I think also just some sort of in-game guides will be good, right? Some guidance in there. I think that is also a main thing, perhaps. Yeah.
00:18:36
Speaker
like if the in-game if in-game it was like hey you know congratulations on um you know reaching expert oh by the way if you want to test your skills irl maybe you should check out these local play pokemon events why are you not why are you not CEO of dieting it's exactly a thing like just an in-game in-game message or encouragement or something right
00:19:01
Speaker
Just like I've been trying some local discords, but it's very difficult to get traction. Like I message, sometimes I message lots of people and maybe I'll get a few extra
Championship Points & Travel Challenges
00:19:13
Speaker
people to come out, but our big cups are usually maybe around like nine to 12 people, which I think is fairly okay. It's actually pretty big for a local cup from what I've seen. Yeah, but I just think like I live in Toronto, the city is like,
00:19:31
Speaker
although the GTA, the Greater Toronto Area is like 10 to 12 million people. Like surely we can find like more than 12 people that are interested in like a PVP tournament, right? So, but I know sometimes it's work schedule and such that could be affecting that. I know some people working on weekends and whatnot, but we'll keep trying and hopefully slowly increase the awareness for it.
00:19:59
Speaker
Sorry, one more thing about locals, because it's kind of been discussed among other people as well. The championship point threshold. This is the first year that Pokemon Go even is using championship points. Obviously, you're very near the top of the leaderboard with how many wins that you've had, plus all of your local success. What do you think of the threshold? Is it too high? Is it not high enough? Should locals be completely separate somehow? Or should there be other ways that you can win championship points?
00:20:28
Speaker
I'm not sure. I think for most Americans, it's probably okay, but there is a big accessibility issue with rural people. I know I do have one friend who lives in Montana, let's say. He doesn't have much going on around him, but he can still travel in-country to regionals if he wants to.
00:20:48
Speaker
My main issue is like Canada being put under the same umbrella as US. Like for me being in Toronto, it is very feasible for me to get 500 points from locals and traveling to regionals. But someone like Mr. Eddie Dilap, he lives in Manitoba. Like you have to remember these, this is international travel when we're traveling to the United States, right? This is not the same as like traveling in Europe. I know it's
00:21:17
Speaker
still traveling, but it's a little easier to get around. Right. And I just think it's crazy that like, there's so many people that live in like parts of Canada that are going to maybe get like two, 300 points, but not even come close to getting 500. And, um, because it's just too expensive. Like we have two regionals in Canada. They're literally on the opposite ends of the country. It's a five hour flight from Toronto to Vancouver. So it's not exactly like they're close to each other. Right. So.
00:21:46
Speaker
That's my only concern is I just would like more Canadian representation at Worlds because currently I am the only Canadian that's qualified for Worlds this year. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, Thorne is very close, but he's also pretty much maxed on locals. Like he can get a few more points here and there. So he kind of needs to... Yeah, needs 38 points.
00:22:11
Speaker
He's probably going to get it, but it's he still needs to perform out of regional. Unfortunately, Vancouver didn't go very well for him. So that was a little disappointing for him. Well, I believe he got top two with the cofable, right? In Toronto, I think it was. He should have won. He should have won. I keep letting him know he threw some of those games. Yeah. Yeah. He did get second.
00:22:36
Speaker
How much would like a flight to your average American regional cost from your location? It depends because, so for me again as well, flying out of Toronto is a lot easier than flying from let's say Saskatchewan. We have a discount company called Flare, which is like a discount flight, and they fly to certain areas. So for me to fly to Florida is actually relatively cheap. I could probably fly to Florida for
00:23:07
Speaker
maybe like 200 to 250 Canadian. Oh, nice. Which is probably like, I don't know, like over a hundred, just over a hundred euros or something like that. I'm not sure exactly. How much? 70? 170. Yeah. 170. Yeah. Okay. It's pretty okay. Yeah. It's like same for me. It's not too bad. But again, like, so for me to like, when I went to Charlotte,
00:23:35
Speaker
For me to fly directly to Charlotte was going to cost me like almost $600 Canadian. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So, and it's 11 hour drive for me and I didn't want to drive by myself. So I actually did something really crazy. I flew to Fort Lauderdale, Florida for 200 Canadian. And then I took a 10 hour road trip with one of my friends to Charlotte. Okay.
00:24:00
Speaker
So I saved money. Was it a good idea? I guess I won the regional. It's literally the French make along the way. But we literally I didn't even stay for my interview because we had like we left there at 5 30 pm and we just drove straight to the airport in Fort Lauderdale because my flight was the next morning. Yeah. So it's not easy for sure to
00:24:28
Speaker
Manage these things the drivable ones are nice. Like I am gonna be going to India. It is a it's a seven-hour drive and I'm gonna be carpooling with most likely a few of my locals. So that will help Bring us a store so you can qualify He's unavailable that weekend. I've already bugged him most likely a shady equation will be making his seasonal debut potentially this season and
00:24:55
Speaker
Don't quote me on that, but and also the Torian, he top cut in Orlando. He is trying to get points as well to push for world. So he's potentially also coming. Nice. So I do have to ask as well, if we look at the North American first place, it seems like you and Doonbug are sort of playing just past the baton, your turn, my turn.
00:25:22
Speaker
He did win the most recent regional you just said you're going to Indiana How confident are you feeling that you can take you can be the second person to win three regionals in one season? Honestly, it's kind of weird because I didn't really feel much pressure at all going into Vancouver I just really wanted to get points and I performed pretty well but it's strange thinking like Doonbug winning Orlando actually like
00:25:50
Speaker
mate like put a little pressure on me like I'm definitely not winning Indianapolis I'm telling you right now like it's impossible like I don't know how Doonbug does it the guy's insane um but like I said my goal is to just get points if I do well that's great um but yeah it's funny like the like I actually feel like some pressure like oh Lyle's going to Indy he's gotta win man it's like there's like over a hundred there's gonna be like 150 people there like
00:26:20
Speaker
everybody's trying to win it's not like well right now i think it's like 110 120 but i i think it's gonna pop up yeah i think it's gonna be close to 150 my is my guess yeah question of uh that everyone asked for you are you the one who can stop dumberg well my answer is yes and no um i i mean if he's playing very well then i don't think anyone can stop him but
00:26:47
Speaker
um as i will point out i did beat him in charlotte already this year so i was your one oh up yeah yeah i two owed him in charlotte um i did make some i i think what really helped me not gonna lie was that i watched all of his battles from
00:27:04
Speaker
Um, San Antonio, and he was playing the exact same team. So I kind of had an idea of like what he was going to be playing and it, it did help me a little bit, but, um, yeah, he's definitely a very strong battler. Like he almost turned around like a full RPS game. I mean, there might've been a moonblast debuff involved in there, but, um, yeah, let's see how it goes. I definitely would like to battle him again. And, uh, yeah.
00:27:30
Speaker
So what are some of your, I keep asking you for tips and stuff, but I really at this point feel like you are an expert.
00:27:37
Speaker
And I am thinking about this as a part of like new people trying to get into the game. It's obviously not just a team. It's kind of like what you just said. You were studying what Dunbug did with a specific team. I know that a couple of people have told me as well that, you know, when they've played against Martijn and locals, they were studying up on him as well to learn like how he plays things. You know nothing by now.
00:28:02
Speaker
But I mean, like, are there some generic tips that you would say if like you're trying to learn PVP and try to notice these sorts of specific things about players or a specific team composition? Like if they lead a certain type, they're most likely not. Most people aren't playing ABA, although that's a lie. Nowadays, it seems like everyone is playing ABA. That is a big fat lie. Everyone's playing ABA.
00:28:29
Speaker
uh i was that i did some scrims last night with uh jesus and
Strategies & Team Compositions
00:28:33
Speaker
the guy was the guy played like aba to my best two pokemon game one and game two and game one he ended up cooking me because it was in the back so it just like it just works out that way sometimes right i think it really is the season of aba so many people are just playing so many risky lines but it's really starting to pay off i mean i think part of that is too because
00:28:55
Speaker
Pokemon Go seems kind of cyclical like the further it was a time where it's like no one even knew about ABB and all of a sudden that became like the thing to play especially in like GBL and then waiting to turn wasn't even really a thing a year and some ago you know it's like it's
00:29:12
Speaker
Even though the game is stagnant, we're still learning new things. In terms of lines, I try my best not to make arrow lines if I can avoid it. Just because I just don't want to lose a battle based on the lead matchup. I try to give myself some flexibility if possible.
00:29:37
Speaker
But then again, every once in a while you're going to face one of those team comps that you just have to take risks against because it's just that difficult and they have too many core breakers for you. So it's really entirely situational. Um, but in terms of like how to read your opponent, I, I like to basically just go with, um, it's hard to say, but like, I mainly look at like what most likely my opponent's going to use against my team.
00:30:06
Speaker
and also what I have that's like strong against them I guess it's not like a secret but sometimes you just have Pokémon that are so strong that it doesn't matter what your opponent brings like you're if you can just you know put it in the correct spot it's going to be very tough for them to handle and other times they have certain checks to those Mons so like if they don't bring certain Pokémon like you can potentially just run them over with let's say like
00:30:33
Speaker
a figure author, a guzzlord or something. So it can help make them predictable. Those are like easier ones to deal with. Where it's more difficult is like potential, like multiple core breakers and lots of RPS. That's where it becomes very tricky. Like in Vancouver, I battled Chen Yu and his team was like a nightmare.
00:30:52
Speaker
So, it just depends on the team comp of the opponent, essentially. You're welcome. I inspired him. Did you? He used Skeletrix instead of Sunny Cast when he said in the interview afterwards. It's pretty cool. Okay, well. He was full of like weird core breakers, like, like Aboma Snow, Guzzlord. Wigglytops. Yeah, Wigglytops, exactly. Yeah, Wigglytops. If it says a Wigglytops, it's probably a team of mine. I don't know.
00:31:21
Speaker
I actually removed the team that I ran in Vancouver. I had been using at Locals for like on and off for a month. And I had a Wigglytuff on there instead of Cresselia. But I was like kind of worried about Talonflame and Skeletorch because my water type was Poliwrath. So I decided to go with Future Psych Crest to just give me a little bit more
00:31:48
Speaker
Flexibility and also figure out is like kind of annoying for Wiggly tough as well. Yeah so I Believe you are like third place on the leaderboard right now, right? Yeah nighttime just passed me. I believe yes Do you feel like you secured your travel awards
00:32:13
Speaker
I really hope so because I actually can't go to NAIC. It's just like a really bad timing. One of my brothers, I have actually three brothers. So one of them is not blob is getting married. And I won't be back from that like trip until the Tuesday before NAIC. So it's just like, it's just not going to happen. And
00:32:41
Speaker
Plus with me having to take extra time off for that for work. I just don't have enough extra vacation days, right? So. Also, we have the issue this season. I know it's our first season, but where they're not granting any sort of assistance for leaderboard, like top leaderboard people to travel to these ICs. If if play Pokemon had of like given me any sort of like
00:33:07
Speaker
stipend or whatever i would have considered maybe even going to euic potentially just like but i can't afford to just go to euic um and pray like it worked out for doom bug and i'm really happy for him but like i could just have easily finished like you know tied for 30th or something or 60th and you get points but is it really worth spending uh like 1500 canadian dollars for like 200 championship points
00:33:37
Speaker
I don't think so. The travel award is only $2,000 for me. It's technically in region. They call it, consider it in region travel to Hawaii. So it's only a $2,000 travel award. Oh yeah, that's right. It's because Hawaii comes even here, so yeah. Or North America. Yeah. One more question about that. I can be counting on your support then for NAIC, right? Because I'll be knocking at your competition.
00:34:03
Speaker
I want all the Europeans to beat all the Americans and knock them down and prevent them from getting championship points. So bring as many as you can, okay?
00:34:13
Speaker
I'll do my best. All right. So this is a two-part question. And maybe you can help with that then as well. Because at EUIC, and of course it was for show and it was for fun and it made great content. But to Doonbug, as he was getting more and more clout, more and more knocking out more and more Europeans, he became more and more patriotic as well. And by the end, he was soaring out, pretending he was a bald eagle when he was coming out. What animals do you feel
00:34:41
Speaker
or not even animal, but maybe what could you do to represent Canada if that was you? And what should Martin do when he becomes first place at NAIC? Like what is he gonna do as a European to one up the showmanship? Maybe, I don't know. I'm like pretty boring most of the time. So like, I'm not gonna be, I won't be stunting like that unless I actually win like the NAIC because you know, I'm always fearful of
00:35:11
Speaker
getting too ahead of
Celebrations & Cultural Representation
00:35:13
Speaker
yourself. Sure. But yeah, I have no idea, to be honest with you. I mean, what is, Americans have eagles. What do Canadians have, like, beavers or, like, moose? So, I don't know. Maybe, like, a squirrel, like, pachirisu or something. But I know that's not available in all areas. Yeah, I have no idea. But, yeah, maybe just some, you know, maple syrup or something.
00:35:41
Speaker
a maple leaf. I could be dressed as like a lumberjack or something, you know? Super Canadian. Cosplaying there, yeah. And what about our time? What should he do when he does so well at NAIC? I guess our national animal is a lion, but I feel like if I pretend to be a lion, people get
00:36:03
Speaker
different vibes from that, so maybe I shouldn't. I don't know. I don't really visualize these things because I feel like you just don't think about that when you're in the moment. Like when I want to do something, all I do is I just cheered and I want to go to my friends. But I didn't really think through how would I, well, maybe I want to do a back flip, but, you know, well, I know my shit. I definitely can't do it anymore.
00:36:32
Speaker
Could you ever do a backflip? I could, yeah, yeah, I could. I don't think I ever could have done a backflip. On a trampoline, maybe. Give me a trampoline on stage, and when I win, I'll attempt a backflip. No, I wouldn't know how to celebrate. If the Americans will be telling me a lot, I will probably just stare, but let's just see if I can even get far. I think, you know, there's two more European regions coming up, and I see
00:37:02
Speaker
Let's just see if I can get Travel Award in the first place. Yeah. Are you planning on competing any live? No, that'll be my last one till Worlds. And yeah, as far as Travel Award goes, I still might be able to get it because I still have some points I can get from locals. And also, Indy, hopefully I can get points there.
00:37:30
Speaker
If I could get close to like 10, 50 points, I think I might, I should be able to at least get the stipend. Hopefully travel award. Um, that's my goal at this point, but let's see. I think it would be a pretty big accomplishment if I could, um, get it without going to an IC. And I think it would also be kind of disappointing if I won two regionals and didn't get a travel award to world. So.
00:37:57
Speaker
There's definitely some mixed feelings there. Yeah, I think yeah these wireless had a similar comment as well because not that he won two but that he you know He did win one and he's had pretty good placements out a lot of other ones as well But I mean as the seasons grow and more players are Good and also having pretty consistently good placements. He's already been edged out. I think of the leaderboards So I think when the locals are incredibly important. Yeah, I think so I
00:38:25
Speaker
No, he doesn't have many locals to his name, I think. So that also makes a huge difference. Yeah. Well, 390 points potentially. I'm not going to single any area out, but I know some areas, mainly in the US and such, have much easier locals, where it's like four people. And if you're somewhat competent, you can basically win. It's like, you know.
00:38:53
Speaker
Take it easy You just have to show up you get points Like I'm not gonna lie like I think I've had like maybe you I've had one or two cups that I've been to that were like a little bit lighter and like a little easier but there was still like like legend so a few like legend caliber battlers there so
00:39:22
Speaker
It wasn't like free points, but technically I guess it's free if there's only four people that show up, but you still want to try to max the points as best you can. So you need to win them. Um, but yeah, and I did have an unfortunate experience where I, I got bubbled out of a cup top cut because of, um, because of not
Canadian vs US Players & Worlds Prep
00:39:45
Speaker
getting a buy and which I have a big hate for buys and the way the system is set up, which we can discuss at a later date.
00:39:52
Speaker
because the person that I beat ended up passing me because they had a buy and we finished with the same record so it was a very unfortunate yeah I agree with you on this they're not needs there should be a different system but it's also I can agree that it's not fair to the people with the buy either because they're not asking for
00:40:15
Speaker
a buy necessarily and so to be like okay well that's not fair that I completely got edged out from from that as well because I didn't have a choice of having a pie so I definitely agree there should be a better system in place what that is yeah it was just like it was very disappointing because again when when you like actually like I lost I okay it's my own fault because I did go 2-2
00:40:41
Speaker
And I lost to Thorne and Lucio, which are two like really, they finished one and two. And then I beat the other two people I faced, but because of that bye, I ended up getting bubbled out. So it happens, but it's also very annoying when points are so important. Right. So, um, we've been bringing up a lot of us first, Canada. Let's have a controversial question. Who's better Canada or the US? Definitely Canada.
00:41:08
Speaker
internal players, by the way, not like in terms of country. Okay. Uh, players. That's a good question. I think the U S has like more, um, name brand, not name, but like they're larger, right? They just have more people in general. So, but I think Canada has a lot of really good battlers, but a lot of them don't attend regionals as much.
00:41:29
Speaker
Also because of the issues I talked about earlier, just the traveling, like Dilap hasn't done a regional, he did, he did Toronto. Sorry. He did do Toronto, but he was just coming back from like a very long break around that time. So he wasn't quite like, you know, back into the swing of things. Obviously since then, he was the first person to hit legend, um, the season, right? So who's that's a pretty big accomplishment for Canadian. And, um,
00:41:57
Speaker
yeah so there's definitely a lot of really skilled battlers in Canada that um could could get their name out there more so and a lot of them that even um super skilled battlers that are choosing not to actually compete anymore but are really helping on the sidelines as well because I think of like King uh King is a very good battler uh Kevin Saliadaris he's Kevin's like retired yeah I don't know what happens he finishes like second or first at every cup but he does he doesn't want to compete
00:42:27
Speaker
like he could have qualified for Worlds this year if he had have gone to more like he just wanted to staff the regionals and said which I get that's his own thing but I'm like Kevin like you're like you're beating me at these cups and you're you're not even you know you're not even trying to qualify it just feels like maybe he should have tried to do it but
00:42:47
Speaker
I mean, everyone has their own, uh, priorities. So I'm not saying him specifically, but because the system for Pokemon go, it used to be different. It used to be like, that if you, you could only get a world's qualification, if you were first or second or if it cascaded down, um, maybe some players got a little bit discouraged with that system because while it is completely skilled, there is some luck involved with this as well.
00:43:11
Speaker
championship points I think while it's not a perfect system yet built out it it brings at least a little more rounded out players more players to the world competition so I do think that a lot of people if they set their mind to it next year if they really want to compete and say I'm gonna be at Worlds they definitely can do it but yeah it doesn't matter going to a lot of locals going to some actual regionals and stuff yeah Worlds is
00:43:38
Speaker
I'm not like, no, no disrespect to anybody, but world's issue is not going to be the same as world's last year. Like last year world was just ridiculous. Like you just looked at the bracket and every name was like, just like one of the best battlers, you know, right? Like, like, like I said, round two, I battled raw Jeff round three, I battled axon. And then I went to the loser's bracket and I had to battle human catcher bug. It's like.
00:44:08
Speaker
bro come on give me a break you know my first round opponent was a japanese guy i never heard of him before but for all i know he's like really good like you never underestimate the japanese players right so right right yeah because they have a completely different system as well to qualify for exactly you know speaking of worlds though lyle how are you preparing for it
00:44:34
Speaker
Are you already in the mindset for Worlds? You're going for sure, even if you don't hit the leaderboard. Oh, yeah, I'm going. OK. Yeah, I booked my flight and I have accommodations. So I am good to go. And yeah, I'm excited for Hawaii. I've never been to Hawaii before. So it's just Worlds is just an experience. It's going to be different because last year I was just like kind of happy to go.
00:45:02
Speaker
I qualified at NAIC on like a trickle down. It was like kind of like a very last minute thing because I finished tied for fifth at NAIC. Technically I finished six because I did lose the playoff to Enhoff. So technically she got fifth and I got six but we'll just call it tied for fifth. And it was just kind of like a whirlwind. I was just happy to be there and I wasn't like really expecting much but
00:45:30
Speaker
After the sort of like let down of what I was talking about earlier of like the misplay and then kind of letting that snowball, I just felt a lot more motivated this season to like perform better. So I'm not sure exactly what my, you know, prep is going to be like, but I'm definitely, regardless of the outcome of worlds, whether I go Oh two or win worlds or whatever. Um, I will a hundred percent be much more prepared and, um, focus a season.
00:45:59
Speaker
And that's all that matters. The results are going to be the results, but just going to be ready to give them my all. Very good. I have one final question. I want to take up too much of your lunch break.
00:46:15
Speaker
um we already discussed this like briefly this is a very important question louse jeff or lal jiffs where does it come from and why i i got frustrated once during this during a watch party and i was like i'm just gonna ask the man myself okay so actually i think like for some reason even so i'm like a big uh i'm like a big part of the beginner to winner um
00:46:43
Speaker
podcasting community.
Streaming & Community Support
00:46:44
Speaker
I'm not sure if you've heard of them. They're like a PVP podcast. They have a Discord and such. But basically, it seems like people always just end up calling me like Liles. That's just sort of, I don't know, it's like, it's like a short form for them or something. And so I believe that Charlotte, it was DeFi asked me if
00:47:05
Speaker
My name was, if they wanted me to call me Lyle or Liles, and I think I told her that I didn't care. So she was calling me Liles, but then it kind of, I think that's where it started. People were like, no, his name's not this. And, but I personally don't care. Like it's the, basically the same thing in my mind, but technically it is Lyle. So, but.
00:47:32
Speaker
Yeah, it doesn't matter to me. I just think it's funny that people argue over it. And there's some very strong proponents of Lyles. Specifically, the two that I know of the most, SS Thorne and me Weedle, are very hard on the Lyles train and you cannot convince them any other way. I delete all their messages the whole time. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, what can I say? I'm popular and people like me, so.
00:48:02
Speaker
So we are to tear, you don't care either way. No, the only thing I don't like is being called Jeff. Cause my actual last name is Jeff's. And I get that from time to time. It's like, especially at like doctor's offices and such, they'll say Jeff, Jeff. And it's like, well, no, that's not my name. Please don't call me Jeff. So anything else other than that is like perfectly fine. Good to know. Good to know.
00:48:30
Speaker
Sorry, I have one last question. My actual final question before we go into our last traditional question. You stream on Twitch as well. Can you tell us about that, your content creation? Yeah, I stream on Twitch semi-regularly. I wouldn't say it's all the time, but it's usually a couple times a week, maybe like two, three times a week. Obviously, Lyle Jeffs, III is the Twitch.
00:48:56
Speaker
handle. Typically, malding a lot about team comps and opponents in GBL. Oh, bro. The other day, I faced someone that was running.
00:49:09
Speaker
dragon air carbink alteria and i about lost my shit like i i was getting i was like i'm swearing at these i'm like at this guy and then my chat's like you need to calm down i was like no i cannot that person is running such a like crap team dude they're not serious yeah i don't know where they come up with these these teams it doesn't make sense
00:49:33
Speaker
Like they lose to every Skarmore, like Skarmore's on every other team. I don't get it, but whatever. I think they're just doing it on purpose, dude. Just piss us off. I think that's... They're sniping me with a team that's going to piss me off, basically. That's a win-win for the other player, yeah. But yeah, it is difficult though, I will say, because typically the time I'm able to go live is around the time that another popular streamer is live. I don't know if you've heard of them. It's Axon. Who? I believe you won the World Championship.
00:50:03
Speaker
So it can be difficult to work around that because, not that I'm starved for viewers, but it is nice to have people viewing your stream and you do notice quite a decent decline when the world champ goes live, which is right, makes sense. So it is difficult to try to work around that, but yeah. You know how to solve this, Lyle? Just become this year's world champion.
00:50:31
Speaker
It's that easy, really. I will try my best. But for those who don't know, what time do you normally stream? If people are listening to this and want to tune in to your Twitch. It's, it's not EU friendly. That's, that's the way I'm going to put it because by the time I get home from work and we're done with dinner and such, it's usually around like maybe seven or eight PM Eastern time. Um, but.
00:51:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's late for you. Jock sometimes comes to stream and says, what's up? He's an agent. And usually on Friday nights, I stream around 10 or 10 p.m. Eastern. So if I do do like all my sets, potentially it does carry over to the next morning for you. Like if I'm still streaming around like 2 a.m., it's like
00:51:29
Speaker
pretty early for you guys on on Saturday, but I am going to I promised Mr. Weedle that I would try to work in an EU friendly stream on the weekend. So I'm in the works of doing that. Not sure exactly when but nice.
00:51:48
Speaker
Well, it's exciting. I'll try to tune in as well. I am stateside for a little bit, so I'm going to definitely try to tune into these streams and catch a little bit of the action of the potentially new 2024 world champion. But on that subject.
00:52:03
Speaker
We will come to our actual last question and it's the question that we have for all of our podcast guests and it's a two-part question. The first part of the question is, who in the PVP community would you call a crebrawler? And this is someone who is maybe not super well known within the community, but they're a good player and you think that they just need their moment to become like a household name.
00:52:26
Speaker
And then who in the community do you think is a champion? And this is someone who's like, yeah, most likely already qualified for worlds, or is definitely going to be soon. And do you think that they have the possibility to win it all? Oh, wow. This is crazy. Actually, why don't you said this? Cause now I remember, I think, um, did you guys have magic Mason on this, this podcast a while ago? We did. Yes, we did. I think he mentioned me as the krumbal mental or whatever.
00:52:57
Speaker
And that was before Pittsburgh regional. So he was a long time supporter of me.
Conclusion & Farewell to Lyle
00:53:04
Speaker
And now he's the prep roller. No, he's, no, Mason, I mean, he, he's won a regional, right? So I can't say that. Okay. So what was it? It was someone who is lesser known, but it's like on the upcoming. Yep. A rising star.
00:53:24
Speaker
Okay, I'll just mention one of my friends that I know he could be performing a lot better if he didn't handicap himself at every regional and that's a zimmy kid He is qualified for Worlds now and he has this interesting fetish where he runs surfetch'd every regional and
00:53:46
Speaker
Um, and I keep telling him like, bro, you could actually win a regional, maybe do a little bit better at every freaking regional. Um, but he's in love with that Pokemon. So, um, you know, uh, I think, I think I've convinced him not to run at our worlds, but let's see. Um, see how that goes. And then what was the second one? The champion? Like who do you think is going to win worlds? Uh, I think I'm going to win worlds. So.
00:54:16
Speaker
Oh, I like it. Yeah. Let's see. Let's see if you can't pick yourself. Who do you want to play in the grand finals? Um, okay. I would want to play my friends, one of my friends in the grand finals. So I don't know. It's, it's like a tie. Like I thorn, I would definitely want to play or, um, zero elite zero. Um, or, or yeah, probably one of those two of people that I think that are good enough.
00:54:45
Speaker
No offense to anyone else, but I think would realistically have a shot at like pushing it. Alita is one of the best battlers I know, and he's very annoying to face. I really hate battling him. But I'm going to put the slide where you say he's just very annoying. Like, oh, cut out. Yeah, he is. But it would be fun to clap him on stream in the grand finals of Worlds.
00:55:10
Speaker
Um, yeah. Cool. All right. Well, thank you so much for taking time. I hope you still, uh, have a little bit of time to finish your food before the bell rings to go back into work. Yeah, it's all good. I'll just, I'll just scarf it down when I'm driving back. I'm like two minutes out. So nice. Okay. Sounds good. Well, thank you so much for coming on, man. We appreciate it. Thank you for having me. And good luck in Indianapolis. We'll see if, uh, how you do there.
00:55:39
Speaker
Yeah, let's see how it goes. I still have to finish the team, so I don't know yet. It will be very tough. I know Crimson Cage 19 is also competing, so yeah, can we run? So are you helping him with this team building? I'll give him double charm again, yeah. Well, it's a Skarmory meta now, so I don't know if that's a good idea, but... I never said my teams are good, so we'll see how it goes.
00:56:05
Speaker
All right, and for those listening, check back next week. We'll see how Lyle does as well, and we will have new guests on the Capcom guests on Thursday.