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#148: Herology: What Most Women Never Learn About Their Health
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In this episode of the Kate Hamilton Health Podcast, I sit down with Dr. Michelle Hone and Dr. Sarah Kelly, the founders of Herology - an evidence-based women’s health supplement brand created to address the gaps women face at every stage of life.
This powerful conversation dives into the truth about women’s health, the science behind effective supplementation, and the real reasons so many women still struggle with symptoms related to hormones, stress, sleep, mood, energy, and nutrient deficiencies.
Dr. Michelle Hone and Dr. Sarah Kelly share their backgrounds in research, the challenges they’ve faced in the supplement industry, and why Herology was built to bring transparency, therapeutic-level ingredients, and women-specific formulations to the forefront of health.
You’ll learn about the importance of high-quality ingredients, bioavailability, the impact of diet and lifestyle on hormonal balance, and how targeted supplements can support mental well-being, stress resilience, sleep, and overall vitality. The episode also touches on the role of community, collaboration, and empowering women with trustworthy education.
EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:
00:00 Introduction to the Episode
00:51 Meet the Founders of Herology
01:07 The Mission Behind Herology
01:39 The Biggest Challenges in Women’s Health
02:26 Navigating the Supplement Industry
03:18 Why Ingredient Quality Matters
03:54 Real Experiences & Testimonials
04:41 How Supplements Support Women’s Health
06:15 Multivitamins, Bioavailability & Absorption
07:43 Diet, Hormones & Metabolic Health
09:04 The Benefits of Herology’s Formulations
09:56 The Science Behind Women-Focused Supplements
12:24 Stress, Anxiety & Supportive Nutrients
16:22 Lifestyle Changes That Support Supplementation
20:27 Alcohol, Caffeine & Hormonal Health
29:59 Discovering Zen & Balance
30:17 Sleep, Stress & Holistic Support
30:44 Community Feedback & Results
33:52 Collagen, Skin & Healthy Ageing
36:38 The Power of Community in Women’s Health
44:01 Quick-Fire Questions
52:20 Final Thoughts
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Transcript
Introduction to Horology and Guests
00:00:08
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Kate Hamilton Health Podcast. So today we are going to talk about supplements, in particular, my favourite supplement brand, Horology. Horology is a women's health supplement brand that was founded by Dr. Michelle Hone and Dr. Sarah Kelly.
00:00:27
Speaker
two passionate scientists that wanted to bridge the gap between evidence-based nutrition and women's real-life hormonal health. Drawing on their extensive backgrounds in health research and clinical science, they created Horology to offer women trusted research-backed supplements that support them through every stage of life, from menstruation and fertility to perimenopause and beyond.
00:00:51
Speaker
And that is exactly who I am talking to today.
00:00:56
Speaker
Sarah, Michelle, welcome to the podcast. Thanks so much for having me. It's huge. Delighted to be here. This is our first studio podcast to have you girls here. Honoured, yeah. Delighted. Yeah. Very cool.
Mission and Challenges in Women's Health
00:01:07
Speaker
So to start, tell us a little bit about what is your mission as your brand, Horology? What is your mission? question to start. I suppose when we, you go back to the very start, Michelle and I came together because we both, we met in DCU, so we both did our PhDs in DCU. We went our separate ways after and college, but we always stayed in contact. And every time we came together, we always found the topic of conversation always was around female health and The issues that are you know that and women face every day, the misinformation, how difficult it is for women to get access to the health care they need, how hard it is for them to get diagnosis, how difficult it is in across the board. I suppose we always had this. and I suppose Michelle's experience in the FIC clinic as well. She, again, I'll let you maybe speak more about that. So I've been working as a nutritionist for the last 10 years and we specialize in female health and in working with clients I've seen them face so many issues with female health whether it's PMS, endometriosis, fertility issues, perimenopause, menopause and beyond and A lot of the time there's misinformation, there's a lot of these topics are taboo, there's people are misdiagnosed, they're just left without answers and they're being passed from one person
Creating Quality Supplements
00:02:26
Speaker
to the other. So and then kind of aside from that, like when I was working with clients, it was all always very much like an entire approach from nutrition to supplementations and through to to lifestyle. And when it came to supplementation, there was there's such a lack of good quality supplements out there. Like when you start to understand the supplement industry, it's a very murky industry. The whole idea of Horology was to bring a supplement brand to the market that was completely different to anything that the market had ever seen in terms of quality. And when I was working with clients in order to try and find proper ingredients that were bioavailable, able to get into your system effectively and in the proper therapeutic doses, I would have to ask a client to take five or six different supplements separately.
00:03:06
Speaker
So the whole idea of Horology was to bring it all together, put it into one single sachet. This is Horology Balance, our original product, and make it taste really nice, make it really convenient. And that's where i ultimately it started. And even you ah would have always found that even when you're looking to source high quality supplements, even though the individual ingredients, they were very difficult to source, very expensive to get your hands on. And what we found the household names or the supplements that maybe, you know, many people are very familiar with were the ones that maybe didn't have bioavailable ingredients, maybe didn't have high enough doses to actually have a
Navigating Supplement Confusion
00:03:42
Speaker
therapeutic effect. So we really wanted to make a product that, as Michelle said, had everything that a female needs in one single sachet that they can take every day and that they would actually feel the difference when they take
00:03:54
Speaker
Yeah, like I remember, you know, over the years as I started to get really focused in on my own health. And at the time I was, you know, a young mother and a teacher, didn't have a whole lot of money. You know, we bought a house and yet looking at supplements and really not knowing what I needed to take, first of all. And I know, you know, information has come on a lot in recent years with the Internet, but not really knowing what I need to take. And then looking at in the supermarket, because that's where you are mostly, you know, week to week, you're in the supermarket and you're looking at these big brands and you're right. You're like, oh, I must be able to trust those because they're well known. Yeah. And then, you know, speaking with with experts and they're like, you need this, this, this. And you're like, um like you start counting it up. You're like, oh, my God, it's going to cost me hundreds. Yeah. It's really overwhelming. And that's that's again, the whole idea of virology was to take away that overwhelm and give women exactly what they need. And there's a lot of like a lot of people tend to compare us to generic multivitamins and like, what's the difference between you and a multivitamin? For us, it's like we like I'm 34. I'm a woman. I'm not trying to get pregnant at the moment. But my needs and my goals are completely different to to an 18 year old boy or
00:05:00
Speaker
A 70 year old man and that 18 year old boy and 70 year old man and a woman that's 34, they're all meant to be taking the same multivitamin, which makes absolutely no sense. We all have completely different needs and goals and requirements. So with horology, the i like in terms of like what's different between us and a multivitamin is.
Importance of Bioavailability and Female-focused Research
00:05:17
Speaker
Again, the therapeutic doses, the bioavailability of the ingredients, but we've chosen the the most research backed and the most clinically proven ingredients to improve overall female health and support our reproductive health. Like we have completely different, like we're completely different beings to men. So it's really important that our supplementation reflects that. And the research in female health is very limited. Am I correct? Yeah. It's getting better in time. But yeah, it is getting better. But yeah, in general, yeah, it's only in recent times that females have been included in yeah research studies across health, nutrition and exercise.
00:05:50
Speaker
And now women are starting to get much louder and demanding, you know, more and it demanding better. And that is reflective. I think definitely there's there's definitely more money has been pumped into female research. But there's still a huge imbalance and it takes an awful long time for research to make it into clinical practice or to make it onto the gym floor. It's a long process. takes a long time for that messaging and for the evidence to come through.
00:06:14
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Is it true in relation to like a generic multivitamin that it's kind of pointless to take because what you what you don't need, you're going wee right out of you. Is that true? That's your favorite one there, Michelle. So, yeah, know a lot of people, I think there's there's a bit of a misconception with this. So a lot of people think like, oh, there's no point to taking supplements because you're just going to make your wee really expensive. So I think that vitamin B2, which is called riboflavin, gave this kind of, created this narrative. So you probably have noticed that when you take vitamin B2, your urine can end up like a luminous yellow.
00:06:48
Speaker
So that's actually a really normal physiological response, and especially when you're new to taking multivitamin. And because people take the supplement or any supplement that has B2 in it, they look at their wee, they're like, oh my God, I've just peed all the day. So first thing to understand is that The only water, the reason that you're peeing that is because B vitamins are water soluble, but it's only vitamin C and vitamin B that actually water soluble. But the other ones that would be fat soluble, so you're retaining them within your tissue. So I kind of compare this to like, oh, well, if you're just you like urinating out the excess, like what's the point? That's like saying there's no point drinking water because you just urinate out the excess. You still need to be hydrated. You're taking what you need, like the the benefits of those nutrients that you need. And there might be a case where there might be excess, but everyone's needs are different. So we need to cater for for everyone's needs. And it would only be the water so soluble vitamins that you would excrete if you didn't eat them. The fat soluble vitamins you could actually retain in the body. Exactly. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. That is really, really good to know.
00:07:42
Speaker
So in relation then to what you said there about fat soluble vitamins, because I think this is a point that I think a lot of women miss as well, particularly if they're looking to lose weight. And I obviously work with a lot of women to help them lose weight is people tend to go down the low fat route.
00:07:59
Speaker
Yeah. And that can be hugely detrimental to their hormone health. Yeah, absolutely. So if you think about it, like our main reproductive hormones are estrogen or progesterone. They are made from fats. Like so if you look at a hormone, it's like a phospholipid bilayer. So it's like surrounded by fat.
00:08:16
Speaker
And if we're low fat, like you'll probably see it with clients yourself. Like if you have a client come into you and they eat like follow it with a quite low fat diet.
Therapeutic Effects of Supplements
00:08:25
Speaker
they tend to have like thyroid issues they're cold all the time they might have like really bad pms because ultimately like if you're not eating sufficient dietary fat you're not creating the hormones that you need to make so it's really really important like so so important that we're getting in our fatty acids but like to kind of create that phospholipid bilayer around those hormones but also in order to make sure that we're absorbing those fat soluble vitamins your vitamin a your vitamin d your vitamin e and your vitamin k
00:08:49
Speaker
Yeah. And I think a lot of people don't know that about like they think, you know, it oh, yeah, OK, maybe I should be taking more fats, but they don't realize that they're actually not absorbing. and Like and I suppose a lot of those vitamins actually come naturally from the fat source foods as well. Exactly. Yeah. 100%. So in relation to supplementation, it's actually one of the biggest questions I get as a health and fitness coach. What supplements should I be taking?
00:09:11
Speaker
And I will always be like a good night's sleep and healthy diet and a bit of exercise before anything else. so are we. Oh, we're 100%. Yeah. So we very much, again, like a food first and you said, like a lifestyle, a lifestyle approach is so much more important. Supplements is just the the kind of cherry on top. With that being said, a lot of people wonder like, oh, well, if I'm not deficient supplements,
00:09:31
Speaker
magnesium for example then why would i take it but magnesium what people don't understand is magnesium has a therapeutic effect so when you take it like you probably notice that you take chirology like you probably notice like after you take balance like there's a calming effect after like 40 minutes to an hour it's the same with zen it's why it's so effective with sleep so just because you're deficient in something yeah doesn't mean that you're not going to have a massive massive benefit from taking i think that's where people get confused about what supplements they actually need Yeah, no, that's so true. And actually, speaking of horology and Zen, because these are the ones that I take, so i'm just going to take these out for a minute. So your horology balance, this is essentially a multivitamin, am I correct? Yeah, so we call it a multinutrient, yeah. Okay, and so what is in this that, I know I couldn't read the back, but I won't. So we've got magnesium bisglycinate, so magnesium in its most bioavailable form. Like, again, so we're so particular about ingredients, like our manufacturing team, like probably just think we're...
00:10:24
Speaker
We're like the fussiest people ever. But for us, like we have to like myself and I sarah always say we're scientists. We're not salespeople. We can we have to be able to stand over what what horology is. So this is so refreshing. Sorry to interrupt. It's because, you know, it's like in this world where, you know, it's all about business and even like the health care system is all about business, ah especially privately, like, you know, that it's so hard to know who to trust. And it's so refreshing to have two scientists that actually care about female health. that yeah brown We had a a major, without getting into the details, we had major decision, business decision to make this week. And it was purely on an ability to put an ingredient in the product that will actually work, that we can stand over. And even with balance, like that's the product that we set out to create. So we wanted to, look we just wanted to create, formulate balance. And whenever we went, we made contact with our manufacturers, they were highly recommended. They actually, and probably 90% their
00:11:23
Speaker
manufacturing goes, you know, outside of Ireland. But when we started to work with them and we were started, we basically brought our
Menno and Balance Product Highlights
00:11:29
Speaker
formulas. Michelle and I went to them. This is what we want to create. It was so difficult for us to source the actual, the forms of ingredients that we wanted. We were sort of that not that they tried to, but I suppose that we were encouraged to look at cheaper, less bioavailable options, which, as Michelle said, we're scientists, we're not salespeople. yeah So for us to create something that we know would not have the desired effect, it was just a non-runner for us. And it got to the point we were very far down the line.
00:11:56
Speaker
And we were like we can't get these. It's a deal breaker for us. And we had spent so much time at that stage with them. But we said, listen, it's going to we we're just going to have to look elsewhere. And then, you know, they they again, they're a fantastic team. We work really well with them and they were able to to find suppliers for us. And we were able to get the exact formulation that we wanted. And we we, our intention was just to launch with balance. But we want to cater for women at all stages of life. So we were looking at women who are over 40. This is amazing. People who might have perimenopause symptoms, you know, it also improved their energy, their mood, you know, help with anxiety. But we knew that if we added some additional herbs, it would have huge impact on their perimenopause symptoms. yeah so that's where we say men, it was almost like an yeah upgraded version of balance.
00:12:43
Speaker
yeah So they both have the exact same foundation. So the menno is also multivitamin then, is it? So they have identical foundations. So you will have that improvement in your mood, your hormones. They're both amazing for anxiety and PMS. But menno has those additional herbs. So if you suffer for any perimenopause symptoms. Yeah. Interesting. So yeah, sorry to go back at that. We got totally sidetracked. Sorry. Yes.
00:13:06
Speaker
No, but it was important to say. So our balance is again, your magnesium bisglycinate, the most bioavailable form of magnesium, your B vitamins, but most importantly, our B vitamins are methylated, the ones and that are that can be methylated or methylated. Again, there was a lot of pushback. It was really difficult to to get them. They're way more expensive. But again, for us, it like the the quality of the nutrient is so, so important, the bioavailability. Sorry, not to cut across here, but that is it something but when we started, we could not understand why supplements weren't adding.
00:13:34
Speaker
Why were they not using the forms that were the best, that were the best yeah
Stress Management and the Role of Ashwagandha
00:13:38
Speaker
we so effective and most bioavailable? We could not understand that. So we were like, you know, we had this, let's do this. And it was only whenever we we went to look about bringing them all together that we realized there are hurdles and it's difficult and it's really expensive. yeah Sorry, back to your methyl your V's, your is zinc, a again zinc piclinate, which is the most bioavailable, it's a lot more bioavailable than zinc citrate. You've got your althinine, which is a really calming, soothing amino acid. That's why when you take Balance or Menno, you feel like calm and relaxed after 40 minutes.
00:14:08
Speaker
And we also have ashwagandha, which is an amazing herb and your vitamin D3 and 2000 IUs. So again, like 2000 IUs is unheard of in a multi-nutrient. Like it would normally be 400 IUs. Usually have to take vitamin D separately, wouldn't you? Yeah. But again, this is me working with clients. I'm like, OK, take this multi, but you'll also have to add in vitamin D. And like that doesn't make any sense. Yeah. And most people can't even remember to eat their meals, like, you know, let alone take their supplements. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then also vitamin K2, which helps with the absorption of vitamin D. And it's really important for bone health as we age. And then if you compare that to Menno, so a lot of people get confused. They're like, oh, should I be taking Balance and Menno? I'm like, no. So they are identical products. The only difference between Balance and Menno is that Menno, we've added in the herbs and botanicals to help with perimenopause menopause symptoms. So your maca root, your red clover, your Shadavari, your sage. So they're phenomenal. and like Interesting. I suppose we get a lot of rave reviews for Balance, but I feel like with Menno, I feel really strongly about the Menno reviews because people will be like, it's just so noticeable. They're like, i it's so tangible. They're like, I had hot flushes and night sweats before I started this and now I don't. yeah Whereas energy and mood are kind of subjective. I'm always recommending it to my clients and like the feedback I get, they're like, oh my God, it's amazing.
00:15:17
Speaker
Like the difference. there Again, as a mother, that's that was the that was from the very start was one of the first things that kept coming back. They're like, I am a better mother. Like your tolerance level yeah just takes the edge off. So, you know, when you're trying to get the kids out the door, you know, for school in the morning, and sometimes you leave all your supplements everything you take when you put the kids sorted. That is something that mother said, no, I have to take that. but That is first thing yeah because it makes such a difference in keeping your cool. It just takes the edge off the whole the chaos yeah with kids. i' sorry Back to ingredients, ashwagandha is very important. We use KSM-66. I was going to ask you about ashwagandha.
00:15:51
Speaker
What is it? What does it do? A lot of people won't know. Ashwagandha is an adaptogenic herb which basically works on our adrenal glands. It helps our body adapt to stress. For a lot of us, We can't change the stress in our lives. We can't leave our jobs or get rid of our kids or divorce our husbands. But what we can do is enable our body to cope better with stress. That's what ashwagandha does. So it's just really, really good for, yeah, enabling us to better. It takes the edge really, doesn't it? Yeah, it takes the edge off is the best way to explore. And I just find as well, from a lifestyle perspective as well, then is just learning to slow down because like I would, you know, have that tendency of rushing around and then all of a sudden I'm stressed. And like what I'll actually get are like little heart palpitations. Yeah. And then I'm like, OK, you're rushing around and I must be like holding my breath or something when I'm rushing around. But I've noticed a huge difference in that since I started taking horology that Well, although I suppose that I'm giving myself the focus that when I notice myself rushing around being really stressed about like silly things that I'll just physically slow myself down. Yeah. So that's the combination of magnesium, L-theanine and your ashwagandha. Three of them coupled together are phenomenal. We have customers and I would have clients in the fit clinic who struggle with panic attacks and they're like, I have come off my medication and I'm just taking balance. That is unbelievable.
Holistic Health Approach and Personal Experiences
00:17:10
Speaker
Obviously, we would never, ever advise someone to come off medication. But there's a lot of our customers that are like, I literally take this and I don't know myself. We got a review in this week and someone was like, move in house. Remember that review? Yeah, renovate in the house. they got a recommendation from a friend and they were like, I just cannot get over the difference. She was really struggling with anxiety. There's just so much change going her life. And she just couldn't get over the difference. But we would say that ourselves. I would be lost without it. As you said, that rush...
00:17:38
Speaker
And I just sometimes think, is it an age thing as well? But like that panic and stress in life is just, and it is, it's just like you are, it you have this ability to cope that you may not have had before, that everything overwhelms you and stresses it. Now it's just like, it will be fine or it will be grand. So there's lots of things that we do that there are high pressure and and it just, we both seem to be like, it'll work out. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be, it'll fall in place. We put in the work, all of that. yeah But it literally just takes the edge off all of that. Yeah. And I think, you know, when you're in a position that you're like, right, I'm taking my health seriously, I'm investing in getting a really good quality supplement like this, that you're giving attention to other areas of your life as well. You're like, OK, now it's important to take my sleep seriously. Completely. It's important. Yes. OK, I don't need to be perfect, but maybe I need to just, yeah you know, eat a little bit more whole foods, what you know, that you're adding to your life as well. And I think it all kind of knits nicely together. But this can really help, particularly as you're trying to figure out your lifestyle as well. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. And yeah as we said, yeah, there is burning the candle at both ends and not making time for exercise for, you know, for sort of time for self care, all of that. You know, it's pointless if you're not doing all of that. One thing for me as well, like back to the anxiety. So I would notice that when I get hormonal dips out before my period or.
00:18:54
Speaker
postpartum, immediately postpartum or when I stop breastfeeding, I get hormonal dips and we all get hormonal dips, postpartum, breastfeeding, PMS, but mine manifests as anxiety like that. Those hormone drops cause a drop in serotonin, drop in dopamine and I get anxious. I like the difference between so I had a postpartum journey with horology balance and without it and it was literally like night and day and I know like if I'm experiencing bouts of anxiety I take that like if I the odd time if I haven't been consistent with it I get back on it and it's just it's unbelievable I like text there the day and I was like horology balance is just so good and Sarah's like no way I don't know what is wrong with you. Yeah, that's what we're trying to do. You didn't have a box in the house for a while. But I can relate to this so much. Like in my early 20s, I had really chronic anxiety. I had like my doctor diagnosed it as panic disorder when I was 21. So I was having daily panic attacks. It was really, really debilitating. So I was medicated for that for a while. I had to do cognitive behavioral therapy.
00:19:51
Speaker
And then I ended up having my first child when I was 23. So then postnatally, that took a while to adjust. So it was kind of, you know, my early 20s was a struggle with mental health. But then it was also lifestyle. I was inactive and I was I would have drank alcohol quite regularly. Yeah. So I guess suppose my comment there is that.
Alcohol's Impact on Mental Health
00:20:08
Speaker
I wish that I had had something like this then, you know, or that I'd had the focus to be like, do you know what? Let's just focus on you, Kate. What's actually going on? What's causing it instead of kind of masking it now? And I'm not by any means dissing the medication because I needed it at the time. And it was it was to give me the head start to do the work that needed to be done to push forward. But I suppose what is the role? and This is kind of a two question.
00:20:31
Speaker
The role of alcohol and caffeine in relation to kind of counter acting the goodness of what this does. It's a big question. yeah Let's talk about alcohol first, I suppose, because for me, I don't drink alcohol at all anymore. do I never say to people, oh, you shouldn't drink alcohol because look it's part of life, you know. and But I don't anymore, mainly because of my anxiety, because no matter how little amount I have, it will dull me a little bit. It'll give me those, you know, like that we had like the mini panic attacks that I'm now able to manage. like But it's just not worth it for me for my mental health anymore. No, it exacerbates a lot of symptoms. And I think a peri-menopause, it exacerbates a lot of symptoms as well. yeah yeah But I think if people are honest with themselves, like everyone's relationship with alcohol is completely different. and Everyone's how everyone is, you know, their ability to to drink and how it kind of manifests in their you know their mood and their... their energy levels, their anxiety levels the following week. I think if people are really honest and step back, everyone can see whether it is whether it suits them, the amount that they drink, how often they drink. yeah I think most people, if they took a moment and step back and look at it so no one from the outside can tell you if you drink too much or not, like you were the only person that kind of, yeah if you're really honest with yourself. And that can be hard because yeah you can be in very much in denial and be like, oh, well, I only have few glasses every weekend. But if it makes you feel shit like shit every single weekend, you're
00:21:53
Speaker
what's point? Yeah, if it's negatively impacting areas of your life, your family life, your relationships, you know, how you parent, if it's having, like the, of course, everyone, the odd time, there's different events and parties and gigs and all of that. And that is, I mean, that's life and that's part life and that's part of the crack as well. But I think if it's that regular thing and it's impacting you and your relationships and your your work. But think you to realise like when it's kind of consistent, like every weekend, like it is for a lot of people,
00:22:21
Speaker
you kind of just think it's the norm. And you're like, that's true. It's normal to feel that way. Yeah. And it's only when people kind of cut it out completely that they're like, oh, my God, is this how I'm supposed to feel? That's what it is. And that's why I always recommend that people take a break for not even just a month, them like two or three months. To experience To really feel how good you can actually. yeah My mum has done it recently, actually. She's like, my God, I can't believe how well I feel. It's like, imagine that. yeah And I think that because I had taken long breaks from it and then I had reintroduced it in a very sensible way, like every now and again, just one or two, you know. yeah But I actually noticed the dip in my serotonin levels, even with a small amount of it. I was literally just about to say that to you. You were the same as well. notice the difference after like two drinks. Oh, yeah. No, I would. yeah I really would. But I think there's, I feel fortunate in that I played basketball. I played, our weeds are Super League games were on a Sunday. So that meant like during the season. No, you just, like you weren't drinking Friday and Saturday. couldn't get carried do away. Yeah, that's it. i No, I couldn't drink at all. yeah And even I was never the superstar or anything like that. So I always would have felt and i would have felt more on the back foot if I had a drink or if I was up late. Whereas some of the the girls who were super, they could have a few beers, never bothered them. But for me, I've always been in fact affected by alcohol, you know, so I would notice it. So I would have had those periods during the season where I could drink out completely. So I very young experienced that you feel so much better without alcohol. And then during pregnancy, even like that, you just it's like you don't drink for that like that long. with You just get used to the feeling of not being impacted by drinks. So there's people who absolutely have a glass of wine every night and they think, oh, it doesn't bother me the next day. I often wonder, is that because they don't actually know what it's like to wake up with a clear head? yeah And particularly with Irish and English culture as well, like we do it from so young. And if you're like, and I wouldn't have played sport when I was young, so I would have been drinking from when I was about 18.
00:24:12
Speaker
Yes. 16, So 17, normalised 18. as well. And you know, young people don't actually drink as much as we did when we were younger. Thank God. Thank God. Yeah. But so it has changed. But I think some of us really just haven't given ourselves that break. And I definitely recommend just taking the break to notice how well you can feel. And we did we did an event there last May and I wouldn't speak her in. And she's been on the podcast before Beatrice Caffrey. She's a she's menopause coach. She's amazing. She's so much like more matter of fact than me. I was like, you know, if you want. That's the German background. She's so German. She's literally like.
00:24:48
Speaker
You shouldn't drink. Once you're over the age, once you once you hit perimenopause, you need to stop drinking. yeah And whereas I'm like, well, you know, just try and drink a little bit less or whatever. But like you said, we have to be honest with ourselves. like are Like, how is your mental health? How is your hormone health? And is alcohol something that maybe you're kind of fighting an uphill battle because you're not going to address? Is adding to your life or is it taking away? And then you can make an educated decision that I have something big this weekend. I would love to have a glass wine at it. But you're making that informed decision. Yes, I'm going to feel a bit ropey the next day. My mood is going to be low. And every now and again. It's every now and again. And maybe explain that to those in your family. Give you a bit of space. And then it's nice because it reminds you, like, hey, this is why
New Podcast Offerings and Supplement Routines
00:25:31
Speaker
I don't drink often. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And sometimes that's needed. Even I say that were talking about one of our Zoom calls last night, actually, that sometimes you need week or two off your, if you are dieting towards losing a bit of body fat you know, whatever. Sometimes just need a break. need to go on holidays or you need to go away and just have a few days where you just eat like shit. And feel the crap. And then remember what it feels like. Yeah. And then, oh, you know, I don't want to feel like that. Yeah. then that makes your why stronger for prioritising your health. Yeah. Which think is really important. That's a really good point. Yeah.
00:26:02
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00:26:30
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If you want the structure without the coaching price tag, tap the link in the show notes. In relation to caffeine, because actually this is something that I wonder as well, because I would i'd probably like three coffees a day and I'll always have my morning in coffee before I take my balance. And then that's fine. I kind of go about my day or whatever and have another coffee or two in the middle of the day. If you were to have your supplement drink.
00:26:55
Speaker
And if you were to have a coffee like straight afterwards, are you kind of ruining it? You're not ruining it entirely. So what you're probably alluding to is that caffeine can hinder the absorption of certain minerals. Yes. Like your iron, like your magnesium, like your zinc. Exactly.
00:27:11
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So it's not optimal, but a lot of our, like most of our customers do, like they have their, they have their horology in the morning and they also like most people have coffee in morning. And would, if it aligned with timing, I like, I would still take it. Yeah. Because for us, we always say it's consistency is the most important thing. Yeah. Doing it at a time. Yeah. Like for me, like I'll get up, I get up early to a bit of work or whatever before the kids get up. So I'll, you know, I'll have my pint of water or whatever and, you know, do my little bit of yoga stretching and then I'll make my coffee and I'll sit down and I have my 45 minutes at the laptop and it's lovely. And then I get them up and ready for school and then I'll make my, before I have my breakfast, I'll always have my balance. Perfect. Yeah. So that kind of works well. I had a friend actually who she wasn't being consistent and she said, but she was so obsessed with her morning coffee and then she's a real rule follower. So she said, I, her, you know, I read that you cannot have it with your caffeine. And I said, if it is the difference in you taking it or not, absolutely. I do this to myself all the time. I ruin things by like thinking I'm doing it wrong or trying to be too perfect. Sometimes, yeah, knowledge is not power. It's crippling. It's like it can. It can literally make you be like, like, am I actually doing this right? What should I be doing? Yeah, no, it's perfect.
Zen's Impact on Sleep
00:28:20
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With magnesium then, is there enough magnesium in just the balance?
00:28:25
Speaker
Because obviously I have Zen here as well. And I love this. Oh, my God. It's I'm so sad. I look forward to this. I know. we I really do. Like, it's so nice. And actually, the new Balance is really not that the old Balance wasn't nice. It's really nice. The Mixed Berry is beautiful. yeah But so I take this every evening. Now, I know not everyone is going to be in a position to purchase Balance and Zen. you know and you know if you are like i presume it's optimal to to take both i'll let you you girls talk on that but and like this is like i really notice the difference in this i take it about a half an hour before bed and yeah and it really helps me get sleepy because sometimes my mind will be what are we doing tomorrow we or we do evening like client calls and then i get really excited afterwards i've been speaking for an hour and i like ah i'm literally my adrenaline going on especially if you're probably looking out at like a ring light or a light box or something like that while you're talking yeah i'm so excited about what i'm talking about and then i'm like right it's nine o'clock it's time to go to bed and i'm lying there you know but this really has made a difference and in particular actually it's my clients have spoken about zen and the difference that that's made for their sleep because a lot of my clients would be dealing with perimenopause and sleep would be an issue so i presume i'll like i'll let you girls answer that taking balance or meno and then horology in the evening, or sorry, and then zen in the evening time is optimal. But is there enough magnesium if if you can only afford to do one? Yeah, so like a lot of people don't need to take both. If someone's coming to they're like, I want to try horology, our recommendation is balance or meno, depending on stage of life you're at. That's actually what you said to me because I originally tried...
00:29:59
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zen yeah because it was um samples at our event actually and i messaged him i was my god this is amazing this then and i'm like well everything that's good yeah yeah and then you said you need to try the balance yeah this is what you need so balance is like your complete women's health multi-nutrient whereas we would describe zen as a top-up product so if even if someone is coming to us and they're struggling with sleep very often we need to address the underlying issue which might be hormonal it might be if they're in perimenopause it might be Hot sweats, night flushes. So we'd so yeah, high stress. So if you think about again, like high stress, you're hitting it with those like with your Alteni, your ashwagandha, your magnesium. So if someone comes to us initially struggling with sleep, I would always try and almost address it during the day. And a lot for a lot of people that will be sufficient. So we would have people who take menno in the morning, for example. And testimonials come in. They're like, my sleep is unbelievable. Never been better. And they're taking in the morning. They're not going near it at nighttime. So there is some people who might just need an additional support. I don't feel like I need additional support with sleep, but I just feel like I sleep deeper. I just like it as well. I feel like when you wake up, sometimes your alarm goes off and you wake up and you're still wrecked. I feel like you wake up.
00:31:11
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you feel refreshed. You're not groggy. You feel like you slept. And again, a lot of the feedback would be you wake up in the same position. You go to bed and lie on your back and you wake up. My quality of sleep is so good. Once I get to sleep, I will just... I won't... Unless I wake up needing to wee, which is really annoying, which I've just had to cut out tea to late for you next. But it's like I went to sleep and oh, it's morning And that's what we say. It's just with the toilet. There are some women that we would advise have it if they know that they can't have water. close to bed, either you take it as a really short drink or, but there's loads of them that say, but they're really enjoyed and they like having it as a taller drink. So we say just take it earlier, you know, in evening. Maybe before dinner? Yeah, evening, yeah. Or just after dinner. Yeah, exactly. What it is, a lot of people would say that it kills that sweet craving that they might have for chocolate or something sweet after dinner. Yeah. And because I'm I've always all over the years, I've been all about my cup tea and my little Freddo bar in the evening time. Love it. My little bit of chocolate every day. And in recent months to a year, I've just had to stop because the caffeine and the sugar, if I have it too close to bed, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And needing to wee as well. So that's not ideal. But the other thing is like we've always, like since we launched, Sen was one of our first products. We launched in January of 24.
00:32:25
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But since then, we've gotten loads people that have sent in like WHOOP scores and our sleep score. The Garmin, yeah. Yes, cool. The other day, like if a couple of weeks ago, we got a girl who sent us her like whoop day. I think it was whoop. And it basically was like, this is what my sleep normally looks like. And it was like, oh, like light sleep, deep sleep. She literally sent in like the graph and it was just complete deep. I was just like, I've never seen anything. And she was like, I didn't believe in supplements. She was like, but this data does
Collagen Benefits and Product Recommendations
00:32:52
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not lie. yeah So it's phenomenal. Like it is a green. I don't know which. is it the I don't know. I don't yeah i have a garment, but don't sleep with it. But yeah, it's like a green. And they're like, never get it in the green, but they're in the green. yeah with And it is such a nice little reward system, isn't it? with that I know they like. Yeah. It can be a little bit addictive for people, but I think it's like it's a great measurable way. Getting people like, oh, it's so inaccurate. It's if you're wearing it every night, it doesn't matter if it's inaccurate. yout the dis The difference will be consistent. Yeah, exactly. Just sorry, on that, there's 200 milligrams of magnesium bisglycinate in all of our sashes. OK. So even if it is, you just menu or just balance that you're taking, you're getting that 200 milligrams. Yeah. And they are the product. Like when people, you know, we've got events where you get speaking to people in person. They would ask like what do, which one do I take? And we're like, without looking at any of it, it's one of these. You're either balance or meno depending on your stage life or if you have any symptoms.
00:33:44
Speaker
And that is, that will be transformative for you. And then we always say our collagen product, have a marine collagen product and Zen. They're like a luxury. as you Actually, yeah. I wanted to ask you that literally like my bag of tricks here. and Collagen.
00:33:58
Speaker
Oh, this is a bigger box. yeah i am Have you not had this yet? I haven't tried the collagen yet. you'll have to get some. Yeah, it's great. Talk to me about collagen because I get a lot of questions about collagen and I don't take collagen myself personally. So I'm kind of I'm reluctant to recommend it, you know, i big for you for just eat a high protein diet and, you know, make sure you're getting enough omega three in your diet as well. And, you know, then I would be like, you know a good quality multivitamin like balance.
00:34:24
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What is the benefit of of women taking collagen? So a lot of people wonder, you probably again, you're probably alluding to I remember initially, like when I didn't understand the science behind collagen, I always never understood. I'm like, well, if you're eating enough protein, then why would you need to take collagen on top of that? But basically the way this the way collagen is delivered is in horology collagen is it's marine collagen peptides. So these are these tiny, tiny peptides, collagen peptides. And basically when they're ingested, it our body sees it as broken down collagen and it sends a signal to our body to create more collagen. So that's how it helps with hair, skin and nails. So it's really, really effective. ah But again, like we've ah we went for a high dose, we went for 5000 milligrams. But we also went with a a patented form of collagen called Verisol. So for us with like myself and Sarah with our research backgrounds, it was really important that it was a research backed form of collagen. So Verisol has clinical trials behind it to show that it improves hair, skin and nails over a three month period. So that's why we went with that one.
00:35:23
Speaker
And that's why it's the larger sachet. If you have a look, it's a bigger sachet as well. Okay. has the 5,000 milligrams. What's the flavour actually? It's mixed It's mixed berry. It's gorgeous. There's no fishy taste at all. People are like, are you sure? And then they try it and they're like, I'm going to mix it. also mix really well, really nicely with Menno, with any of the blends actually. So that's how I would have taken it this morning.
00:35:41
Speaker
I just take collagen mixed with balance. you'd like the powders Yeah, creative taste for you. Yeah, I'm taste you. Yeah, I'm creative a creative taste you. creative taste for Yeah, creative taste Yeah, creative you. Yeah, taste a creative for Yeah, exactly. Yeah, actually them then. 100%, Mm-hmm. I presume you wouldn't mix balance and zen balance and zen no because if you think about you're going to therapeutic response from the 200mg of magnesium so you're wasting it you know what I mean you're better off getting two hits on same day have it a little top yeah top up later in the day and you can have zen day or night you know yeah ticket but Yeah, it's not going to make you like, no, it's not. yeah have a add effect I think people think that it's like a dryasy formulation. But the reason that a lot of people struggle to sleep is that the central nervous system, like we're tired, but wired in the evening. yeah So it actually calms us. So like you can easily like if you're going into an interview or something like that or dont like sometimes I just have it like sitting in front of the laptop, like you're kind of more focused because you're more calm. It's not going to like put you to sleep.
Horology's Collaborative Events
00:36:33
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yeah And so it's really, really effective.
00:36:35
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It's amazing. In relation to then community, because I know that this is a big thing for you. You recently hosted an amazing event and you you broadcast it live, didn't you? We did. On Instagram. Yeah. And what I loved about this event that you did was that it was all about a collaborative approach to women's health. Is that something that you're hoping to do more of in the future, really kind of bringing health professionals together? What's the goals moving forward with this community, with this collaborative approach, I suppose?
00:37:04
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Yeah, so I suppose for us, horology is so much more than a supplement brand. For us, it's a movement that demands better for women's health. So we hosted an amazing event, was it two weeks ago? Yeah, the 15th. And had 60 health professionals there. We GPs, we had pharmacists, we had nutritional therapists, we had dieticians, and we had pelvic health physiotherapists. Coaches, yeah. We had coaches. And...
00:37:27
Speaker
having all those people together in one room on its own is phenomenal like it like it was amazing but the whole idea is that we want to bring together a more multi-disciplinary approach to women's health because I'm sure you can relate to this yourself Kate like with your own clients women's health can be very disjointed like you go to your pharmacist and they tell you one thing you go to your GP and they tell you something else you go to your nutritionist or nutritional therapist and they tell you something else so like really if we want a better women's health there needs to be more collaboration between all the health professionals like i completely understand that if you go to a gp and say for example you have hypothalamic amenorrhea in which you don't have a menstrual cycle that gp does not have the time to sit down with you and go through nutrition lifestyle and supplementation but they can absolutely refer on to nutritionist or a dietitian who can help so that is the idea of of horology hub live which was hosted two weeks ago And it was, yeah, it was amazing. And even the conversations and the connections that were made, even like you you were there, you said like even during the coffee or even at lunchtime, like the chatter and the conversations. yeah And even for us to see who was sitting beside each other, who were having conversations. And afterwards, so many people said it to us, you know, and had a fabulous conversation with X, Y and zd And that even we've had GPs who really were taken aback by it because they, I suppose, GPs and medics tend to have this kind of there's a fear with more holistic practitioners at times sometimes. And I think that what they took from it, they were like, oh my God, they were blown away by every single person is in this room has the one goal, and that is to improve female health in Ireland and to help women. And it was, yeah, it was magic, wasn't it? Yeah, it was magic. And you need to do more of this because I think what else it did was it made a safe community.
00:39:15
Speaker
Like it is brought together for people who are you know consuming a lot of information on social media that, you know, these are these are people that we can trust. Yeah. yes You know what mean? That was the idea. This is it. This is a doctor who actually will listen to female about female health. This is a dietitian who is an expert in this. This is a coach who has my well-being at heart and i not it just worried about progress photos. You know I mean? So as in that there are professionals from all different areas of Ireland and different areas of expertise that really care. yeah And I think.
00:39:47
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building that community under under your brand makes it a trustworthy kind of place for for women to search for who they need to to who they need in their corner. And that was the idea of the directory as well on our website. Yeah. So we have a directory we wanted a place for so for women who don't know where to go or don't know where to turn. Because again, wait before Michelle and I came together, we really saw women do not know who to trust. They don't know who to listen to. So for us, we again, we've our backgrounds, I guess we're able to decipher to kind of cut through the noise, you know, more so than someone maybe who doesn't have ah a scientific background. So for us, we wanted to have a directory on our web website that we have women who are that we trust, that we know, you know, they're evidence based and they're and across the board, like Michelle said, you've got your pelvic health, your GPs, your coaches, your nutritionists, your dietitians. So, yeah, we're very proud of that yes like on that day we would have had nutritionists dietitians gps herbalists pharmacists up on stage together oh yeah and what was amazing i never said this to you every single person afterwards like i learned so much like gps saying they learned so much nutrition like no one had an ego no one acted like they knew everything you know what i mean it was really really empowering that way that it didn't matter what person's background was or what their qualification was it wasn't that someone with a phd was more important it was just everyone was really respectful yeah yeah
00:41:12
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Yeah. The diploma or whatever. You know, it was just everyone. It was about the intention that what everyone was there for. Yes. Yeah. Which was to learn and to be able to share the knowledge that they learned. And I think it was really positive as well to kind of break that stigma because I think there's a bit of an anti GP thing going on as well. A little bit of anti doctor kind of narrative. There can Because.
00:41:33
Speaker
Some women are going to the doctor and they are being dismissed a little bit. And, you know, like, oh, it's grand. It's normal you for your age. It's normal. You know, and if you're I suppose if you're not paired with the information and you don't have someone fighting your corner can be hard to advocate for yourself. But also, I think it was great to shine a light on. There are doctors that care. And even, you know, even the conversation we had where it was like GPs, they're supposed to be general.
00:41:54
Speaker
That's their job. That they're not they're not trying to be a specialist. No, and the expectation is is huge. i mean, they have people going in who are looking for MRIs in their shoulder because, you know, they're looking people who've got diabetes. they Like it's just their virus, you know. like So it is. And I think it's actually sometimes with people are very hard in GPs, but you have to know like a GP for. So say, for example, even a a diabetic or pre someone who is pre-diabetes, they come into a GP. Yes, the GP could really help that person if they were able to advise them on nutrition and lifestyle. But at the end of the day, the GP, once they live, they've 10, 15 minutes with that person. So it's very hard for them to trust that they can have an impact in that 15 minutes in that person's lifestyle. And if they don't have the connections or the trust in a person to refer them to, you know, what what's their option? So I think it's the same of female health.
00:42:45
Speaker
They know that, you know what, this girl, if she maybe... could change her lifestyle reduce her stress etc but it's like who can she refer to that can feel quite disempowering you know that women go and you know like now they're having cycle issues or they're having you know you know symptoms of pcos for example and they're told well you need to go off now and lose some weight and like lot of women will arrive in my coaching service feeling very very low in confidence and yeah feeling just let down a little bit and not listen to you know and it could be like a vicious cycle as well because some of the symptoms can be making it very difficult to lose the weight and you know and that like the doctor may not be wrong in what they're saying but if they were able to be like look we really need to get the lifestyle under control here are some lifestyle coaches that can help you with this And if there was like you have a directory, if there was kind of if every doctor had a directory like that. Yeah. But even like during the day, like we had like breakout kind of sessions and we had lunch and stuff and people were like following each other on Instagram and exchange and contact. I was like, this is exactly what it was You're going see it on the podcast in the coming months. There'll be a lot of your guests that are coming on. Oh,
Quick-fire Questions and Personal Insights
00:43:52
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really? Amazing. Is it going to our directory? Yeah. I'm going to go. Who else can talk to? Yeah, I love it. Yeah, it's nice.
00:44:00
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No, that's amazing. That's amazing. Before we finish up, I wanted to do a few fun, quick fire questions. I'm actually rubbish at these. It's one word. It's only one word. I can't think of a spot. No, but this one is so bad at this. Is it one question? Okay. So we've got 10 questions and you're both going to answer. Okay. At the same time.
00:44:19
Speaker
Like a Mr. and Mrs. Imagine we did a Mr. and Mrs. Word. No, it's not. up No, it's just, it's like fun little, like ok personal ones. It's not like testing you about your brand or you bet each other. the reason for these questions is to show everyone that we're all different and health doesn't look same for everyone and that we're not being perfect. yeah You know what I mean? So it's to nearly kind of find out a little bit about your... Catch us out. Yeah, your dirty little secrets and see that go and i'll see how yeah how healthy you really are. I'm joking. Okay, so literally just one word, okay? So we'll know we go Sarah and then Michelle. Okay.
00:44:49
Speaker
Favourite food? Pizza. A chilli con carne. Favourite exercise? CrossFit? Is that an exercise? I thought you were to running you were like, no, I'm so over that. don't mean it. CrossFit. Yeah, no, that counts. Okay.
00:45:04
Speaker
Lunges. Ew. Yeah, but they're really effective. They are really effective. They're awful, but like, you feel great when they're done though. What time do you get up at in the morning? sort about life Oh my God. What time do you get up in the morning?
00:45:18
Speaker
quarter past eight it all looks if we don't all need to go well yeah I'm like the night owl Sarah's like the early bird yeah I listen to me though I need to say that I was a night owl you can't switch you can i can't switch can't no I think some people can switch I just no you can't you just because once you get up early you go to bed and your problem you can't even my brain works better in the evening I'm just I'm telling you my brain just works so well in the evening like it's all my best ideas all my best work is done after like 9 o'clock at night like get all I wrote my whole PhD after like 10 o'clock at night my entire and I wake up and put it past 5 to an influx of messages yeah but that Works well. And I find that as well with like with my coaching service as well. Like one of my coaches is a real early bird some and the other person is a night owl and works great because then, you know, yeah there's someone around all the time then to do bit work. Can I caveat that from a health perspective? I don't get up at 15 if I've had a late night. So I only get up if I have enough sleep. So I would be the first person to fast. count backwards from, yeah, I do. I'm not, I won't drive myself asleep.
00:46:16
Speaker
Next question. How many hours do you sleep on average? um Seven, eight to eight, and a half. OK, good, good, good. Favour past time? It doesn't have to be fitness related.
00:46:28
Speaker
It can be. Oh, going for a run with my friends. Yeah, my gym crew. I love drinking cacao with the girls. this Yeah. I love that these answers are so different as well. Do you drink?
00:46:39
Speaker
Yes. Not really. No. And again, we've actually touched on wouldn't call it really. We've touched why as well. Yeah. No, you don't. No, Michelle would sit over a glass of red wine. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. I have a drink now.
00:46:51
Speaker
Do you meditate? am Do I meditate? No, not consistently. No. No. That's just for you. Same thing. Yeah. What do I? No. You definitely don't. No, but no, I don't. Okay. No. No.
00:47:05
Speaker
No, it's good to know because I think sometimes people think they have to be doing, all like taking all these things. Do you have a morning routine? No, no. Get the kids out the door. Yes, best of all. Try none of any heart palpitations in the way up to school. and What annoys you apart from annoying questions like this?
00:47:23
Speaker
Oh, loads of things annoy me. Pick one. Oh, I can't think. Dickness. yeah That's a good one. Fakeness. I like it. like Yeah, people who pretend to be something that they're they're not. you know that they're not yeah Pretending that they're nice, but they're not. um Ambiguity.
00:47:44
Speaker
Oh my God, Michelle. yes yeah You can't say anything just kind of... I have to understand everything. She'll be like, what do you mean? yeah what did you mean yeah But why were you doing that Saturday? Where were you going? don't know. And he done his own every detail. Yeah, i hate ambiguity. And the last question, and you can use more than one word for this one. This is the last one. What does the word health mean to you?
00:48:03
Speaker
So you can take a minute for that, because I know that's a big question. And because we're we're going to finish on that. Whoever wants to go first here can. This could be waffly, but yeah. Yeah. Health to me means like you're taking care of yourself and it's.
00:48:20
Speaker
I'm trying to... and taking em All I can hear is my mother's voice because she would have very... Sarah's arms therapist. Yeah, she would have very particular... So it's not about doing what you think you should be doing. It's about doing what is best for you. I know a lot of people talk about this, like, on any given day. Like, you know, you can't give 100% every day. So that whole thing where you're talking about the morning meeting, getting up early, training. Yes.
Defining Health and Final Thoughts
00:48:43
Speaker
So health is, I suppose, meeting yourself where you are each day, you know mean. And...
00:48:49
Speaker
Like, yes, maybe, you know, I do think movement is really important, but movement might not necessarily be a balls-eye crossfit class, you know. Yeah, and if it might not be, and sometimes just not, and stressing about fitting it in as is more counterproductive as well. And I couldn't agree more, and I i think as well, it's okay to want something because you want it. you Like that word should is the most toxic word. I should be doing this. I should be. It's like, no, we talk about like, and the whole purpose of this podcast is to give people access to the information to find a lifestyle that's healthy for them. yeah And that's why I ask those questions because it's so it's so different for everyone. yeah Yeah. And yeah, again, creating a lifestyle that's not stressful. And even with work, like it's as important that...
00:49:33
Speaker
like the word balance is thrown around an awful lot and we don't really use it it's more because that looks different every day yeah apart from the actual box it looks different every day and the demands are different every day and sometimes your kids need more from you every day and 100% is different every day as well 100% is different every day yeah so I think it's obviously physical is as important as mental yeah I think so it's I can't really say it more concisely, sorry. So mine is like ti ticking a couple of boxes. So it would be nutrition, at movement, doesn't have to be necessarily exercise, nature, purpose. And for me, that's like purpose is work and having kids, family and connection.
00:50:15
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and so once i have all those boxes ticked I'm like yeah your needs met yeah it's like everything goes into alignment inside doesn't it yeah like I think a lot of people focus on nutrition a exercise and supplements when it comes to health but like health is connection and family and friends and yeah like you could be doing like the nutrition and exercise and supplement component right but like if you're not connecting with people in your life like Yeah, we organized an event and we had in in early September and we had Niamh Urbinski and Kelly Fennell and they were speaking about people's relationship relationships with food.
00:50:47
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And they said something just when you talk about nutrition, people assume as you're a nutritionist that you're like obsessive nutrition and your nutrition looks perfect. Like it doesn't. But they're going to test to that. No, but you it doesn't consume you. It doesn't stress you. It doesn't. And I think it was Niamh that might have said, and like everyone thinks that she's, you know, she's big into nutrition, but she said it takes up the tiniest amount of headspace for her. Yeah. And her and Kelly both said it is such a privilege to have that. And I think that that is the goal as well, like that. yeah It's not a stress. It's not. So to get your exercise done and get nutrition, at it shouldn't be, oh, my God, that you're it you're pulling your hair out or that everything else gets And this is the importance of baby steps, isn't it? When yeah if you are kind of trying to make your lifestyle healthier, do it in small little steps. Add a little bit more vegetables, add a bit more protein, add a little bit of a walk in. You don't have to go from zero to CrossFit or for whatever, you know. and it Not looking at other people. Comparison like 100% the evil joy. no two yeah two lives are the same and you can't compare someone's busy or someone's stress levels like different people of different are capable of different things so to look at someone and be like why can she do that and i can't do that i should be able to get up earlier i should be able to but also someone can look healthy and health doesn't have a look and you might look at someone on social media or in the gym or at work or whatever and be like oh wow i wish my life was like theirs but you don't know what health struggles they have going on they might look healthy they might like I know a lot of people who look very healthy who I know aren't particularly very healthy. So, yeah you know, it's I think it's important to focus on you and your journey. And how you feel is so much more important than how you look. Yeah, I totally agree.
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