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#145: Why You Still Feel Off - Even When You Eat ‘Healthy’

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In this episode of the Kate Hamilton Health Podcast, I dive into the real reasons you might still feel tired, bloated, or out of balance - even when you're eating what seems like a “healthy” diet. I explore how nutrition impacts overall wellness, and why prioritising true health over physical appearance is essential. I also share how modern health advice - calorie counting, restrictive diets, and wellness trends on social media - often miss the mark. Instead, I offer a grounded, realistic approach to nourishing your body and mind from within.

You’ll learn how to build a balanced, nutrient-dense diet that supports your energy, hormones, and mood - without obsession or guilt. I also cover the importance of eating a colourful variety of fruits and vegetables, getting enough protein, including healthy fats and carbs, and staying properly hydrated. Whether you’re feeling off despite doing “all the right things,” or you’re just starting your wellness journey, this episode is packed with actionable steps and mindset shifts to help you reconnect with what real health feels like.

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

00:00 – Introduction and Episode Overview

00:50 – Why Health Should Matter More Than Appearance

01:33 – What True Health Really Looks Like

02:52 – How Nutrition Impacts Your Mental and Physical Wellness

04:39 – Slowing Down to Reconnect with Your Body

07:10 – Building a Nourishing Relationship with Food

09:15 – What a Balanced Meal Actually Looks Like

21:12 – Hydration Hacks and Smart Snacking

24:42 – Final Thoughts + How to Access Kate’s Coaching Program

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Introduction to Nutrition and Wellness

00:00:09
Speaker
Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Kate Hamilton Health podcast. So in today's episode, i am flying solo. I am going to talk to you a little bit about nutrition for wellness. Now, any of you that follow me on social media will hear me often talk about calories and structure and planning. And these can all play a really vital role, you know, if you're working towards goals, whether you want to lose weight, whether you want to gain muscle, whether you have a performance goal. And, you know, these specifics can be hugely helpful. But I think sometimes we can get really, really caught up in the tracking in the how many calories are in this and how many calories are in that and how much of this can I have?
00:00:47
Speaker
And we forget what's actually most important.

Health vs. Appearance: A Coaching Perspective

00:00:50
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Well, what's most important to me and will always be the centre of my coaching, and that is health. So I am always going to put health first when it comes to my coaching and to the message that I put out there. When it comes to health and fitness and dieting, or there's nothing wrong with wanting to look well.
00:01:07
Speaker
I believe that it is a form of self-expression. It's a form of self-love. But when your whole self-worth gets wrapped up in how you look, how small you are, how much muscle tone you have, how you're performing, that's when things start to get unhealthy.
00:01:24
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And i want to just bring this conversation right back to health, because as I said, it's extremely

The Impact of Social Media on Health Perception

00:01:32
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important to me. The first thing want to say about health is healthy is not just one look. I think we can be misled by this on social media because we look at different people.
00:01:41
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Our picture of health has been distorted to, you know, six packs, abs, tanned skin, pearly white teeth, you know, young person, no wrinkles. And, you know, this shining picture of health that we see on social media, which a lot of the time,
00:01:58
Speaker
is very inauthentic. We are only seeing the highlight reels. We're only seeing people's best pictures. A lot of things are airbrushed. A lot of things are going to be AI now, so we don't even know if they're real. But we don't see what goes on behind the scenes ah in these photo shoots or even in these these photos or these little snapshots we're seeing of people's lives. And I know a lot of the six pack abs that you will see online will be coming from extremely unhealthy habits. And I say some, I'm generalising. Obviously, everybody is individual. But my point is, healthy on you is going to look very different than healthy

Personalized Health and Wellness Approaches

00:02:34
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on me. And healthy on me is going to look very different to healthy on someone else. And that's one thing that we need to learn to detach from because we will never, ever be happy if we're striving for an external source of health, an external look of health and fitness, because we'll never feel good enough.
00:02:52
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This leads to, you know, body dysmorphia, disordered eating. And it's just really, really important to to remember that that that health actually comes from within. And the same, it's not it's also not one diet. So there is no one size fits all when it comes to.
00:03:08
Speaker
healthy eating and what type of diet to follow. I don't even like the word diet to follow. Like your diet is your diet. It's not a diet. And there's no right or wrong, healthy or unhealthy. It's all nuanced and it all depends on the context and it depends on the person and it depends on the lifestyle. We need to to start moving away from this black and white thinking and we really need to start looking within. And that's where true health, that's where true wellness actually is.
00:03:36
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So i believe that health is at the very core of your being. It shines through every single cell of your body if you let it.
00:03:48
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That's what's beautiful. That's what's authentic. And that's what people are going to notice about you. When you start prioritising yourself, when you start prioritising your health, it's not like, oh, my God, look at Mary. Doesn't she look like she's about 10 stone now? Or Jeannie Mac, look at her. She must be size eight now at or size 12 or, you know, like...
00:04:07
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You don't you don't think about other people like that. You look and you'd be like, oh, my God, Mary looks fantastic. She's got a great glow about her. She just, you know, like she's lost weight. She looks brilliant. She she looks really healthy.
00:04:19
Speaker
But that look of health is that glow that comes from inside you, that self-confidence, that self-worth, the health that's shining through your cells. That's what's shining out of you. And that's where true health is. And the fun part is it's going to be different for all of us. Our path to achieving that will be different for all of us.

Slowing Down and Self-Care

00:04:36
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So although our path is going to be different to achieve our true health, it all starts with slowing down. Like this is the number one thing. And this is the number one barrier that stops people from being able to move forward on their health journeys and stop that cycle of yo-yo dieting and just being in that vicious cycle of, you know, trying to make progress and not being able to. If you could take two things from this episode, number one would be to slow right down.
00:05:04
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do less, and which can be hard. You know, it's hard if we've got kids, teenagers, elderly parents, you know, high pressure job, busy social life. But to slow down, do a little bit less, learn to say no more, learn to delegate a little bit more and prioritise yourself a bit. And I'm not just saying that as an airy fairy thing to say.
00:05:22
Speaker
Create a small bit of space in every day. just for you. Now, that might only be five minutes, but five minutes in your day where you slow down, you read a book, you take a bath, you put pen to paper, you go for a walk. It doesn't matter what you do. You might just do nothing. You might just sit down and take a few deep breaths. But that or, you know, you might even just stop, look at yourself in the mirror, make eye contact with yourself and say good morning to yourself.
00:05:50
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Like when is the last time you ever looked at yourself in the eye, in the mirror? So that slowdown is so important because if you like you're on autopilot, you're you're working from subconscious behaviors. They're automatic. It's to make life easier when it's busy and stressful. And life is busy and life is stressful. So it's not about turning your life upside down when you want to make healthy changes. That's like the worst thing you could do because it makes things so much more stressful.
00:06:15
Speaker
What it is, is about slowing down. and starting to look inward at yourself a little bit. And that need only be five minutes a day to begin with. So that's number one. And number two, which is what i'm going to be talking to you about today, which is nourishing yourself.

Holistic Nourishment Beyond Food

00:06:30
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OK, so slowing down being number one and nourishing yourself. Now, nourishment isn't always about nutrition. It's about absolutely everything that you consume, the conversations, the media, the books you read, the people you surround yourself with, the work that you do, absolutely everything, the thoughts that you think, everything that you consume into your mind, your body, your soul. It's either going to be nourishing you nourishing you.
00:06:58
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poisoning you, if you like. Poisoning is very strong, but, and you know, it's either nourishing you or it is not nourishing you and it's not serving you. So that is something that we need to look at. But that is for a whole other episode. Today, we are going to talk about nourishing our body with food. So you often hear sayings like you are what you eat.
00:07:17
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Food is fuel. And although like technically those sayings are not untrue. i think that they can be quite unhelpful and they can kind of lead to, you know, food is fuel makes it sound very mechanical and very, you know, like non-emotional.
00:07:34
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And you know there is an emotional attachment to food at times as well. And You know, that that also gets a bad rep, but, you know, it's not always bad, which we'll talk more about in a minute. Or you are what you eat. You know, if if that's great, if you're eating well, you might be like yes, I am what I eat. But, you know, if if your your diet is a little bit complicated, that can lead to a feelings of not good enough and... you know, guilt and shame and things like that as well. So they're not really helpful. So I don't like to kind of think down that route. But we also can't ignore the food that we consume because the food that you consume makes up every cell of your body.
00:08:08
Speaker
like every cell. And it influences the energy that each of those cells actually produce. So you aren't exactly what you eat, but what you eat helps you to shine brightly as your true self.
00:08:22
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So it is hugely important. So food is not just fuel. It's actually like this magic potion that helps to awaken that superpower within you that is the the real you. The more you nourish yourself, the more empowered you're going to feel.
00:08:38
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You know, it's just like a snowball effect that you're just going to build momentum. Snowball effect in a positive way, if we like. It doesn't mean that you need to cut anything out. We need to stop thinking about restriction and taking things away and punishing ourselves with food. We need to detach from guilt and shame and those negative feelings that we associate with how we eat. And what we need to do is we need to start adding in more of the magic. And that's what it's about. So this is exactly what I'm going to talk about today and give you some kind of clear, actionable ideas.
00:09:07
Speaker
steps to take to start improving your overall wellness, your overall health and just start nourishing yourself a little bit better.

Foundations of a Balanced Diet

00:09:15
Speaker
So the first thing I will say is you want to be having at least three meals every day. So you can have more meals than that. I usually kind of go three meals a day and like a small snack and that works well for me. I know my coach, Lindsay, she likes five meals a day, five little mini meals a day. She spaces them out nicely. Whatever works best for you, but you shouldn't be having less than three meals a day. It's extremely important to keep to stabilize your blood sugar levels, to keep your energy steady, to prevent cravings. And, you know, there's numerous other reasons as well, but they're the the basic reasons. So you don't have to have breakfast as soon as you get up in the morning. Like I know that some people find it very difficult to eat first thing in the morning, but please try and eat something like within the first two hours of getting up. so that you stabilize your blood sugar levels and start the day off right. OK, so that's our first point. We'll stick with three meals a day. It can be more if you want. Three meals a day. With each of these three meals, we want balance.
00:10:10
Speaker
OK, and this balance is exactly what I'm going to talk you through now as well. So the first thing that I want you to always think about with each of these three meals is fresh fruit and or vegetables. OK, so as much color as you can every day, eat a rainbow. Like the way I look at it is I don't particularly enjoy having vegetables for breakfast. I'm not a courgette in my porridge kind of gal or, ah you know, I wouldn't even be tomatoes or mushrooms in my eggs or anything kind of girl. I would be plenty of fruit with my breakfast and then lunch and dinner will have vegetables with it. But with my fruit and vegetables.
00:10:45
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it'll be wide variety of colour. We want to eat a rainbow. And the reason why we want to do that is each colour represents a different phytochemical. And each phytochemical has a different job in the body, a different superpower. So the more colour we have, the more nourished we are. And that's really important. Now, it doesn't have to be millions of colours every day, but look at it throughout the week and be like, are you eating a rainbow throughout the week? And it's actually kind of fun way to it takes your focus away from what you're trying to not do to what you're trying to actually do and putting in more colour just makes a little bit more engaging and fun, makes the plate look pretty as well. As well with your fruit and vegetables with every meal, think about them being as fresh as possible. So if there's anyone out there who's growing your own vegetables or fruit and it's coming straight from the tree or the plant or the ground and into your kitchen, that's going to be the healthiest of all, because The closer it is to the ground, the more life force from the earth will be still in the vegetable or the fruit and it'll be more beneficial to the body. Now, I have three kids and I have a busy business.
00:11:45
Speaker
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00:11:58
Speaker
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00:12:09
Speaker
But you get the full roadmap so that you can follow it yourself. If you want the structure without the coaching price tag, tap the link in the show notes. I don't have time to grow my own vegetables at the minute. It's a life goal of mine. I will someday. I also don't have time to to browse farmers markets very often. I tend to just supermarket, online order, supermarket job.
00:12:32
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Any fruit and vegetable is going to be beneficial. But just the fresher you can get it, the better. So like don't buy the vegetables that are on special offer, you know, that are half wilted. Just just spend the extra 50 cent and get the fresh freshest ones that you can find. And, you know, if you are in a position to to buy, you like to go to the shops every couple of days, buy them fresh if you can, because the fresher, the better. But also there's nothing wrong with frozen and fruit and vegetables. And quite often they're frozen from fresh. Like, you know, there's no right or wrong. I don't want you to get too fixated on it. If you have the time and you have the passion for it and you enjoy you know, growing your own tomatoes or, you know, growing your your own raspberries or whatever it is. Great. But like, don't get so fixated on it. The most important thing is that you are eating fruit and vegetables and that there's a wide variety of color in your week and that you get in the habit of each of your three meals a day have fruit or vegetables, a fruit with one meal and vegetables with two of the meals.
00:13:24
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And you can snack on them also as well throughout the day.

Role of Protein and Healthy Fats

00:13:26
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Next point about your three meals then is protein. Now, I know some people are so sick of hearing people talk about protein on the Internet and all of the food companies have caught on to this.
00:13:38
Speaker
And marketing now is all geared towards protein pasta and protein porridge. You know, I actually had a packet of cauliflower rice that I bought in my freezer, which is basically just crumbled up cauliflower, put into a bag, frozen into my freezer. And you just take it out and you put it in the microwave. Really handy for bulking up a bit of rice. You know, we're just getting a bit of extra vegetables in.
00:14:01
Speaker
I picked out the packet of that. And on the front of the packet of my cauliflower rice, it said high in protein. And I looked at it and I was like, is cauliflower high in protein? I was like, wow, a vegetable that was high in protein. And I looked at it and I was like, it's not fucking high in protein. Why have they written high protein? So anything that that there might be like a gram or two of protein in it. But the fact that there was any protein in it at all, they were able to market it as high in protein. So I just want you to kind of steer clear of anything that's promoting high protein. You know, it doesn't mean that it's not high protein, but that doesn't have to be a reason to buy it. So you want to think about with protein, but like going for as natural a source of protein as possible.
00:14:44
Speaker
as close to the actual thing that the protein was. The protein doesn't always have to be meat. Meat is a fantastic source of protein. I'm not anti-meat. I'm not anti-vegetarian. I just like to give the facts. I personally eat meat. I don't think there's anything wrong with people who don't eat meat. As long as you're making sure you're nourishing yourself properly and you're getting the the adequate nutrients and supplementing correctly, So with protein, we are talking about the likes of I'm going to name the meat first, but don't worry, I will come to the the vegetarian stuff. Chicken, turkey, fish, red meat in moderation, tofu, tempeh, seitan, protein powder, Greek yogurt, cottage cheese. Those kind of things are going to be your best source of protein. And what I want you to think about with protein as well is you want to be having at least one pound. a palm sized portion of protein with every meal, if not two. Now, this is very generalised because it depends on the size of the person, the age of the person, the activity levels of the person. But every meal should have at least one palm sized portion of protein with it, if not two. So if you think about a palm sized portion being like the size of a chicken fillet, like this, the palm of your hand we're talking about, ah there's a chicken fillet, two eggs, 100 grams Greek yogurt, that kind of thing. But protein is so, so, so unbelievably important because it is the building blocks of every cell in your body, not just your muscles, every cell. It is extremely important to maintain muscle mass and bone density as we age. And let's face it, none of us are getting any younger and we are losing bone density and muscle mass as we get older. And we need to eat a high protein diet to counteract that. Super, super, super important, regardless of whether you're lifting weights or not.
00:16:23
Speaker
OK, protein lecture over. Next thing to think about in your three meals are healthy fats. So fats can get a little bit of a bad rep. Anyone who's from the generation of the low fat diets and you know even slimming clubs can be a little bit anti-fat. Fats are essential in our body.
00:16:39
Speaker
We need them to function efficiently. There are certain vitamins that if we don't consume fat in our diet, we won't absorb. So vitamin A, D, E and K are fat soluble vitamins. And if we don't take fat in our diet, it doesn't matter how much to of like we will be deficient in those those vitamins. So it is so important. It is also extremely important for our brain health, our joint health and our hormone health. All again, as we're getting older,
00:17:09
Speaker
really important to be minding that. And not even as we're getting older, even anyone in their 20s listening, you know, your future self will thank you. OK, you will find like symptoms of PMS and, you know, perimenopause, all of these symptoms, although they may may not go away, they will definitely improve if you are including adequate amounts of fat in your diet. Now, not all fats are created it equal. So what we're really talking about here are your unsaturated fats. So the likes of avocado, nuts, seeds, olive oil, nut butters, oily fish, they're going to be extremely beneficial. You can have saturated fat as well, but in moderation. So, you know, that's your milks, your cheese, your yogurts, things like that. I find we don't really need to actively add in those fats. We tend to have those fats, you know, especially if we eat meat and dairy. It's not that hard. So we try to actively increase our healthy fats. So what I would say with healthy fats, you want at least one thumb sized portion.
00:18:04
Speaker
of healthy fats with each meal. Sometimes some meals, it might be more, some meals that might be less. We do want a portion of healthy fats with every meal. And that can be the oil that you've cooked in. If you're having a stir fry and you've used some oil in the stir fry, that can count as well. So, you know, do think about but how you've cooked the food as well.
00:18:22
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And with healthy fats, yes, they can be high in calories, but just in moderation, I mean, a thumb sized portion, you know, anywhere from like 15 to 25 grams is a good sized portion of of healthy fats. so you know, if you have a nuts or nut butters and things like that. So that's the next thing. After that, then we want to think about carbohydrates.

Carbohydrates: Myths and Benefits

00:18:41
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So another macronutrient that tends to get a bad name and, you know, people will say carbs make you fat. If you want to lose weight, all you need to do is and stop eating carbohydrates.
00:18:51
Speaker
But that what First of all, I'm not even going to get down that route too much, but people who tell you that it's easier to lose weight if you don't eat carbohydrates, I want you to remind you there's a huge difference between weight loss and fat loss. So the carbohydrates that you eat, the carbohydrates that your body doesn't initially use will be stored in your body as glycogen. And each gram of glycogen that's stored in your body comes with three grams of water.
00:19:18
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So when people stop eating carbohydrates and like the scale suddenly drops and they're like, oh, I've lost seven pounds in three days. Seven pounds of water. You haven't lost seven pounds of fat in three days. And I just really think that's so important to to note before even get into carbohydrates.
00:19:35
Speaker
Carbohydrates are our body's preferred source of energy. Any diet that is completely taking out a macronutrient is not a healthy diet. Our body needs carbohydrates for energy. It can burn fat for energy if needed, but it prefers carbohydrates. We will run better And like life is stressful enough, we've enough on than making things more stressful for for ourselves with taking carbohydrates out. Also, carbohydrates are extremely important for gut health, for fibre. So we need it for fibre. Gut health is unbelievably important for hormone health as well. And also with our gut brain axis, extremely important for mental health.
00:20:16
Speaker
And it's all very much tied in together. So with carbohydrates, again, not all created equally, obviously the sugary ultra processed carbohydrates, you try and eat a little bit less of them and start just increasing more whole grain carbohydrates. With carbohydrates, you're thinking about a cupped handful.
00:20:34
Speaker
So you'd want about two to three cup handfuls of carbohydrates per meal. Again, depending on the person. Things like potatoes, sweet potatoes, brown rice, whole grain pasta, wholemeal bread, sourdough, quinoa, oats,
00:20:50
Speaker
bananas. Also remember that vegetables and fruit are carbohydrates as well. So you are getting a certain amount carbohydrates from your fruit and vegetables also. But they are extremely important and don't be afraid of them. And this is really going to help you feel good to have the energy to, you know, live your best life and be your best self. So don't be afraid to eat carbohydrates. Just really looking at keeping them good quality.

Hydration and Its Importance

00:21:12
Speaker
OK, next point, which is really important, is water, hydration. So you want to have at least two litres of water every day, sparkling or still or herbal teas do count as well. Like you can still drink other things. I enjoy a Coke Zero. I enjoy a coffee. I enjoy a cup of tea. That's fine. I will always have two litres of water as well as that. You know, it's not about giving things up.
00:21:34
Speaker
It's about making sure you're getting enough water in. And if you're someone who struggles to drink water, try it with just even one glass a day and build on it because it's a habit. Like I said, you can try her herbal teas as well or sparkling water. You can infuse it with some fruit, some mint, different things you can put into your water as well to make it a little bit nicer. It's a habit that you'll build up and it's going to make you feel amazing. And your body will adjust. You won't be weeing all the time eventually. If you stick with it and you're consistent, your body will adjust to it. OK, so...
00:22:01
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Those are kind of the main foundations, but you're probably thinking, OK, what about my

Balanced Eating and Enjoyment

00:22:05
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snacks? So the great thing is you don't have to give anything up if you apply the structure that I've mentioned. So three meals per day.
00:22:13
Speaker
Each meal has fruit, vegetables, protein, healthy fats and carbs, and you keep properly hydrated. You will feel amazing. You'll feel satisfied. You'll feel full. You won't be experiencing the same cravings. You'll be balanced.
00:22:29
Speaker
You'll be nourished. Your blood sugar levels will be stable and you can still enjoy a bit of chocolate every day. If you like, I have a bit of chocolate every day. You can enjoy eating out with friends or when you're out and about. You can do these things, but you won't be controlled by the sugary, salty stuff as much because your body has everything it needs. And then that that's when the social and emotional and the enjoyment of of things comes in as well. And it's important that it's not black or white. It's not about being perfect. It's about putting those foundations in place that, you know, that 80-20

Nutrition's Role in Empowerment

00:23:02
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rule, you've got those three meals and you know they're well balanced. You've got a bit of whatever you enjoy in your day or in your week. There's also loads of wonderful ways to make this balance fun and tasty. Like there's, you know, you've an endless library of recipes and meal ideas on the internet. Even AI now will put together one for you. If you just be like, make me a recipe with and list your ingredients and throw it into AI, like ChatGPT, it will tell you, it'll give you a recipe, which is pretty amazing. You know, you can have it all.
00:23:30
Speaker
And what I want you to remember about social occasions or, you know, when things just don't go according to plan, you don't have a balanced day. There's a lot of, you know, a lot of junk food there and you don't feel great or whatever. Just remember that you aren't what you do sometimes.
00:23:42
Speaker
You are what you do most of the time. And that's what's important. If you can get the structure in place with your nutrition, you will start to release that superpower within. You'll start to feel amazing. You'll be focused. You'll have clarity. You'll have more energy to do the the things that you want to do. And you'll have the clarity and the focus to change things in your life that you feel need changing. As you start to do that, then you're like, what else can I do?
00:24:06
Speaker
What else can I do? And it's just so empowering. And another thing is as well, as you start to shine brightly as your true self, you make it feel safe for others to do the same also. It's contagious. It's like a domino effect, but in a positive way. So just remember, three meals.
00:24:24
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Eat a rainbow, protein, healthy fats, carbs, hydration. It's so simple, but it's everything. And the great thing is there are no strict rules. Make it work for you in your life because there is no one size fits all.

Conclusion and Podcast Promotion

00:24:42
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00:25:13
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00:25:46
Speaker
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