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Ep. 12: Screw It, Let’s Do It!
78 Plays16 days ago
Join Curt and Jamie as they discuss screws, tools, and tool holding (amongst other things).
Links Discussed:
- Link to Jamie's printables: https://www.printables.com/model/1072339-bt30-tool-tags-and-rack/files
- Link to Feeds and Speeds Calculator: https://www.harveytool.com/resources/speeds-feeds
The Lone Machinist:
- Website: https://thelonemachinists.com/
- Merch: https://www.jspeceng.com/online-store
- Patreon: https://patreon.com/TheLoneMachinists
Jamie:
Curt:
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Transcript
Morning Routine and Podcast Pleasantries
00:00:47
jamie peacock
Good morning, Kurt. are you doing this morning?
00:00:50
Curt
oh I'm doing absolutely fan fantastic. How are you doing, Jamie?
00:00:54
jamie peacock
Yeah, I'm doing well. had a bit of a busy day, but winding down now in podcast time.
00:01:00
Curt
Yeah, I like this time.
00:01:01
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah, now this is an important part of the weekly routine.
00:01:06
Curt
No, no doubt.
Aluminum Shavings and Machining Jobs
00:01:07
Curt
So I saw in your stories you have a giant, huge thing of aluminum chips.
00:01:13
jamie peacock
Yes, I decided to add another 90 pounds of shavings to that since Saturday.
00:01:18
Curt
How are you going to get that onto your truck? Or is it high enough that you can just shimmy it over?
00:01:21
jamie peacock
So that that stand is like not even two inches above the tailgate of my truck if I reverse in. So what we do is we reverse it right up, then brute force it on.
00:01:34
jamie peacock
Last time it was this heavy. ah I couldn't pull it. I got it on like halfway and couldn't get any further. Ended up putting a pole against ah against the brickwork and reversing the the truck further back to push it onto the truck.
00:01:40
Curt
Yeah.
00:01:46
jamie peacock
And then where I'm going, they have a forklift. So it's not too much of a problem.
00:01:50
Curt
Oh, nice. OK.
00:01:51
jamie peacock
But yeah, I'm pretty sure there's going to be like 300 kilograms of aluminium in there, if not a bit more.
00:01:59
Curt
Yeah, it looked like what's that like an ICB totes and it looks like two thirds full.
00:01:59
jamie peacock
Like it's, yeah. Yeah, it's about two thirds. They cut the top the top rung off and there are five rungs and we're three fifths full at the moment.
00:02:12
jamie peacock
And it's all fines.
00:02:14
jamie peacock
It's like there's lathe shavings and then threw fines in between them. So yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun to try load that on Wednesday morning. But yeah, should make for some nice beer money, which is always always pleasant.
00:02:14
Curt
Nice.
00:02:25
Curt
Yeah, no doubt.
00:02:27
jamie peacock
Yeah, cash doesn't get any other business. Gets taken straight to the bottle store. But yeah, ah it is always nice to take shavings.
00:02:33
Curt
brown Right on, right on.
00:02:34
jamie peacock
But I mean, yeah, made another 40 kilograms worth shavings since Saturday.
00:02:41
Curt
Oh, wow. More camera stuff or is that all or is that just now?
00:02:42
jamie peacock
Yeah. ah No, no, this is a different job, making water flingers waterfllingers for pump shafts on the mines.
00:02:45
Curt
Yeah.
00:02:52
Curt
Oh, wow. Okay.
00:02:52
jamie peacock
So it's that's an interesting one. So I sold my one customer, Connie, that Condium mill I had, so that they could make these things. And I
Job Efficiency and Tooling Challenges
00:03:03
jamie peacock
went through there reprogrammed them, but they had to mess with their lathe. They to turn jaws around and change tools. And their lathe I set up for them four years ago, and it has stayed set up exactly the same.
00:03:15
jamie peacock
It runs five or six part numbers. They don't have to set anything. Like if an insert breaks, they reset it and they carry on. Now they're having to change tools and things. And I went through then I was eventually i was like, guys, just hang on.
00:03:26
jamie peacock
Let me quote this quickly. I can, well, I can. I do machine the parts in 30 minutes. Just taking them like an hour and a half to make the part. I'm like, just send it to me. I'll just machine it out of bullets. It's going to be way quicker, way easier, less prone. Because think last time they crashed when they tried to make some. So less prone for crashing.
00:03:46
jamie peacock
Just send it to me and I'll do it. Like I'm equipped to do it. So I'm running off, I'm running off 40 components, which makes up 20 of these flingers.
00:03:50
Curt
and
00:03:55
Curt
Nice.
00:03:56
jamie peacock
Well, actually, no, 80 components in total, but 40 big ones, which each one was like a kilogram of shavings.
00:04:04
Curt
Oh, wow.
00:04:05
jamie peacock
Adds up quickly, that that poor roughing end mill. I'm pretty sure it's coming up on 400 kilograms of aluminum that it's removed.
00:04:14
Curt
Wow. That owes you nothing.
00:04:15
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:04:15
Curt
Yeah.
00:04:16
jamie peacock
It's, yeah. I was actually, it's actually one of the things in the thing I went to visit the Mazak dealership because that's where i buy that end mill from, from high-tech machine tools. Yeah, there's a reason I don't go to places because I ended up spending two hours talking to Chris, the the rep there.
00:04:31
jamie peacock
And I can't remember if the guys don't know.
00:04:32
Curt
Oh, yeah.
00:04:33
jamie peacock
Ended talking with them. They had an Integrex for sale.
00:04:39
jamie peacock
It can't go in my workshop because it requires 44 kilowatts of power. That's why it's not in my workshop. Not because it costs 1.8 million rand and it's from like...
00:04:47
Curt
Yeah.
00:04:48
jamie peacock
auntie too or something uh but it came with all the tools like a really sweet deal um but no good good to just go chat to the guys and keep keep those relationships good luck oh shit i'm getting attacked by a cup of coffee
00:05:01
Curt
Nice.
00:05:05
jamie peacock
Now my crotch is warm at least. um Yeah. so anyway, i ended up at at the Mazak dealership because they do the Hoffman, whatever flavor tool I use. It's actually,
Workshop Environment and Production Management
00:05:15
jamie peacock
they're like, why don't you buy other tools from us? I'm like, because the rest of my tools are fine.
00:05:19
jamie peacock
Roughing was my problem.
00:05:21
jamie peacock
Now I'm going to look at their high-end finishes now because need to finish a 41mm high wall for the V4s. So I need good quality cutter that's going to be reliable over many, many parts.
00:05:21
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:05:41
jamie peacock
So I'll have a look at their stuff. Also, I've got a price on shunk hydraulic workholding.
00:05:41
Curt
Right, yeah.
00:05:46
Curt
Ooh, stepping up.
00:05:48
jamie peacock
It was not as expensive as i thought it would be, which is a problem.
00:05:48
Curt
Feeling like... Really?
00:05:52
jamie peacock
Yes. So BT30 12 millimeter hydraulic holder was, hang on, I've got the imperializer out, put it into Randella's $2.
00:06:04
jamie peacock
ah No, wait, that's extra zero. $256. Not at all. two hundred and fifty six dollars
00:06:11
Curt
That's not bad.
00:06:12
jamie peacock
not at all
00:06:13
Curt
That's less than what I would have thought.
00:06:14
jamie peacock
The, yeah, exactly. So I was looking, they've got a, they had a kit. I got an email from them a little while ago cause I'm on their mailing list. um They've got a shunk kit that comes with, I think four different reducers. So it's like a 20 millimeter bore.
00:06:29
jamie peacock
And then it comes with, you can, you can spec out. So you're thinking, cool, I want a six millimeter reducer sleeve. I want a 10, I want a 12, anything obviously up to 20. They sent me a breakdown. So they had kit with five collets.
00:06:43
jamie peacock
or five reducer sleeves. And then they had them individually listed 20 mil bore, 16, 12. I don't know if there was a 10. I'm like, I don't want to reduce it. This thing is to run one tool in my machine. It's to run my finishing 12 mil end mil because that's, that's all actually needed for.
00:06:58
jamie peacock
Um, and those reducer bushes are $102 a bush. Like they are not cheap that.
00:07:06
Curt
Yeah, OK. Yeah, that makes sense.
00:07:07
jamie peacock
And that was, that was for like a 12 to 20. Um, um I'm going off memory here. Oh no, wrong button. 12 to 10 reducer was $170.
00:07:19
jamie peacock
twelve to ten reducer was one hundred and seventy dollars
00:07:24
Curt
o Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
00:07:25
jamie peacock
Because it's such a thin sidewall, yeah.
00:07:27
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:07:27
jamie peacock
um But yeah, so I was pleasantly surprised at how cheap their hydraulics were. So that's on the list of things I need, along with a whole bunch of other tuning that I need to get in.
00:07:33
Curt
Yeah.
00:07:37
Curt
Yeah.
00:07:40
jamie peacock
But we'll get that.
00:07:41
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:07:41
jamie peacock
yeah That's in the yeah near-ish future. We'll see. We quoted a job today. If that comes through, I'm going to be very happy, grinning ear to ear. My poor machine is going to run 12-hour cycles every night, though, for the next month.
00:07:54
Curt
Well, that's what they're for. That's what they're built to do.
00:07:56
jamie peacock
Well, yeah, I'm going turn the lights off. So hopefully it knows what it's doing, even though it can't see.
00:07:57
Curt
Run.
00:08:02
jamie peacock
Yeah, so that yeah, that's a we'll see if that comes through. ah We quoted it today. And then I'll spend a bit of money on some tooling. And it's 200 parts with two-hour cycle times.
00:08:15
Curt
Nice.
00:08:16
jamie peacock
At least two-hour cycle times with some stupid engraving. Because somehow i managed to find these stupid jobs all the time. Um, yeah, got a call from Roger, everyone's favorite person who gets called out on the podcast.
00:08:29
jamie peacock
Uh, called me today, asking if I wanted to do a job similar to something we had done in the past. So we had a chat about it, quoted it, and we'll see what, what comes of it.
00:08:38
jamie peacock
That he finds all these, finds all the weirdest stuff. ah Like make, yeah, these are, uh, these are tea, tea of markers for a golf course that are, yeah.
00:08:38
Curt
Nice.
00:08:50
Curt
Oh, wild.
00:08:51
jamie peacock
So they're going to be machined out of a block of, all ah ah cylindrical bullets of aluminum engraved, put on their side and then machined off at an angle and then get powder coated and paint filled.
00:08:57
Curt
Yeah.
00:09:01
Curt
Hmm.
00:09:04
jamie peacock
So they're color coded for everything.
00:09:04
Curt
Hmm.
00:09:05
jamie peacock
But yeah, I'll buy a 9-9 engraving tool and just let it run all night. Put as many of them on my machine as I can so that I can run through the night and wake up in the morning, run tool break detection and just go to sleep and wake up in the morning to a bunch of finished parts.
00:09:21
jamie peacock
But yeah, that's the... It is literally the dream. And it's also, yeah, we quoted them and it's not it's not a small amount of money because there's so much cycle time involved. It's like 400 to hours
00:09:21
Curt
that's that's the dream
00:09:35
Curt
well perfect for night runs then yeah
00:09:36
jamie peacock
It's exactly like I'll have to do bit of soundproofing in the workshop, but that's something I kind of need to do. So I'll soundproof my doors and the gap above the doors.
00:09:46
jamie peacock
And I'll put a, just what's it's the weighted vinyl, the weight loaded vinyl.
00:09:51
Curt
Oh, like, yeah.
00:09:52
jamie peacock
I'll make a curtain for the window that I can just try and not have this humming going on all night that people complain. Not that I think they will,
00:10:00
Curt
Okay, I was
Machining Tools and Technical Solutions
00:10:01
jamie peacock
but yeah.
00:10:02
Curt
going to say, yeah, for your for your neighbors or for your own benefit, but I see for your neighbors.
00:10:06
jamie peacock
Not for my neighbors. I just, i don't want to cause undue issues.
00:10:07
Curt
Yeah.
00:10:10
jamie peacock
Like, yeah.
00:10:11
Curt
Nope, I get that.
00:10:12
jamie peacock
Every other neighbor's fine. Just that one is an Afrikaans side. So I would prefer to not, not deal with him if I can avoid it. So I'll spend a bit of money on, on soundproofing.
00:10:20
Curt
Yeah, no, it's the way.
00:10:25
Curt
Yep. No, I think that's the way.
00:10:26
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah. Cause you, you soundproofed your workshop.
00:10:31
Curt
I did, yeah. Yeah, when I did the insulation, I used a heavy...
00:10:32
jamie peacock
What soundproofing? Okay.
00:10:34
jamie peacock
You insulated.
00:10:35
Curt
Yeah, i just it's a yeah it's I had to thermally insulate it.
00:10:38
Curt
And then you can buy thermal insulation that's also sound deadening.
00:10:38
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:10:40
Curt
So I just use that stuff. And yeah, it works super well.
00:10:42
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:10:43
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:10:43
Curt
like I can find the loudest op and walk around my garage and you can't hear anything.
00:10:47
Curt
So it's I can machine at 3 in the morning if I want to.
00:10:47
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:10:50
Curt
So yeah, it's lovely.
00:10:50
jamie peacock
Nice. Yeah. the one I guess that's one advantage to being in snow Mexico is you have to insulate your house.
00:10:56
jamie peacock
Like, yeah, yeah. I've got, I've got 1.2 millimeter steel on my doors and that is exposed. Like, I don't give a shit.
00:10:56
Curt
Yeah, yeah and no doubt.
00:11:06
Curt
i would yeah I would die.
00:11:07
jamie peacock
Like, yeah. Yeah.
00:11:09
Curt
i would die. I'd be so cold.
00:11:10
jamie peacock
I want to ah want to put aircon in my workshop, and then I need to insulate things properly because otherwise I'm just spending a fortune on paying electricity to make the whole planet warmer or cooler.
00:11:10
Curt
Yeah.
00:11:24
jamie peacock
No, because we're heading into... Yeah.
00:11:24
Curt
Yeah, I'm curious to see what this
00:11:28
Curt
say I'm curious to see what the summer holds because i know last summer it gets warm in here with just even the hard engine running, but now with the big mill running, like I can feel the warmth coming off it.
00:11:33
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:11:36
Curt
I'm like, ooh, this might get toasty in the summer. so We'll see. I'll sweat.
00:11:39
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:11:40
Curt
It'll be okay.
00:11:41
jamie peacock
I open the doors on Bertha and you just get that swamp face. Like where the, like the, what was I running?
00:11:46
Curt
Yeah.
00:11:47
jamie peacock
I was running the Emco and I was hand loading something. like, this coolant is warm. I'd been running stainless all day and the coolant must've been like 35 degrees.
00:11:53
Curt
Yeah.
00:11:58
Curt
Yeah.
00:11:58
jamie peacock
So it was, yeah, it gets warm through the day. Like kind of to be expected, but yeah, it's, it's doing its thing of pulling the heat out.
00:12:07
Curt
No, exactly. That's his purpose. And yeah, so we'll see.
00:12:08
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:10
Curt
We'll see. Usually the summer has like mosquitoes that are as big as sparrows here. So I usually don't want to open like the doors in the summer to cool it down. Plus i don't want the sound to come out. So I just suffer, but it also only gets like the worst time it gets here is maybe like 35.
00:12:18
jamie peacock
yeah
00:12:22
Curt
We might have a few days at 35 here Celsius, which.
00:12:24
jamie peacock
yeah yeah my workshop was 33 the other day in the workshop it was a bit yeah it's like this morning so winter is coming i actually closed the back door of my workshop because the breeze was a little bit chilly
00:12:25
Curt
Yeah, it sucks, but it's not that bad. It's not like that's every day. Yeah,
00:12:33
Curt
it's uncomfortable.
00:12:42
jamie peacock
Like we've yeah we've had a bit of a cold spell lately. Sorry, I'm just seeing someone pull into my driveway. um My dogs are protesting it.
00:12:53
jamie peacock
But yeah, so you've been making little little screws. I'm very curious.
00:12:58
jamie peacock
You've got a bunch of interesting things here. I have an assumption. Can I make an assumption regarding one of your topics?
00:12:58
Curt
lit
00:13:04
Curt
ah Assume away.
00:13:06
jamie peacock
Okay, I'm assuming you tried to touch off a tool and the tool did not appreciate it.
00:13:11
Curt
ah Yes, that's my the two our TTC 200 table probe licks something.
00:13:13
jamie peacock
Yeah. Okay.
00:13:17
Curt
Yeah.
00:13:19
jamie peacock
I had an interesting conversation to, um ah sorry, not to, with the guys from Renishaw at Machine Tool Africa when I took them bunny chiles from the Curry Muncher.
00:13:26
Curt
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:13:28
jamie peacock
um They were saying the TS-27R, they don't recommend it for anything under a two millimeter tool.
00:13:35
Curt
Really? Why not?
00:13:35
jamie peacock
recommend the delay They recommend laser.
00:13:37
Curt
Hmm.
00:13:38
jamie peacock
Anything under 2mm, non-contact. That's what they recommend. I'm like, bitch, please. I touch off a.75 drill with my TS-27R. Like, it's not an issue.
00:13:47
Curt
Yeah, well, I did, like I touched off the 0.3 millimeter drill, which has like, ah I don't know, like a 10 millimeter length.
00:13:52
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah, it's a PCB drill.
00:13:55
Curt
Like it's, yeah, it's a PCB.
00:13:56
jamie peacock
ah
00:13:56
Curt
Like it's it's a hair on a stick.
00:13:57
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:13:59
Curt
And I touched it off with the the TTC. It was totally fine. Like it registers just fine, but it sticks.
00:14:02
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:14:05
Curt
It sticks once in a while. So I contacted my distributor.
00:14:07
jamie peacock
oh
00:14:08
Curt
um I was like, hey, this thing is sticking. He's like, oh, no worries. We'll send you a brand new one. Anyways, I looked up the spec sheet on it and the IP rating on that table probe is only rated for 30 minutes of subversion in water.
00:14:13
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:14:17
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:14:20
Curt
Like it's not it's not fully waterproof.
00:14:21
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:14:22
Curt
So i'm like, well, I don't want to put a like, i don't want to go through the effort of putting one on the table, mounting it and then having the same issue.
00:14:25
jamie peacock
Yeah. I...
00:14:28
Curt
So I'm like, I'm just going to buy a better one. Like I'm going to be, i think I'm just going to say like stuff it and I'll like, I'll find something better.
00:14:30
jamie peacock
i
00:14:33
Curt
Like I'm not going to just,
00:14:34
jamie peacock
I would also recommend with the orientation that's on your machine, i would index that thing 90 degrees.
00:14:40
Curt
Oh, yeah?
00:14:41
jamie peacock
So that the coolant isn't blasting into the front seal.
00:14:41
Curt
Just to...
00:14:44
Curt
That makes a lot of sense.
00:14:44
jamie peacock
So it's hitting its side on, yeah.
00:14:45
Curt
Makes sense.
00:14:45
jamie peacock
Mine is configured that way.
00:14:46
Curt
That makes sense.
00:14:47
jamie peacock
um Yeah, that... ah there's a shop, actually, I don't know what they're called, but yeah, they've got a bunch of fancy machines, like one of the better kits-it-out shops I've seen, yeah, they're flippin' expensive if you send them work, but, i mean, they've got a lathe with, like, a two-meter swing, it's insane.
00:15:03
jamie peacock
They've got giant machines, also wire cutters and fancy machines.
00:15:03
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:15:07
jamie peacock
They've all got covers over their initial probes, over their table probes, all of them, like, 15-millimeter acrylic, box around the thing, they take the box off when they want to probe something and put the box back on, because that way the guys can't bump it
00:15:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:15:14
Curt
Yeah.
00:15:18
Curt
See, and then... Yeah, and I would do that if I didn't want to do, like, in process.
00:15:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:15:23
Curt
But the whole reason I put it on there is to do in process. Like, I'm not going to i'm not goingnna put a big cover on it to be like, I need this.
00:15:25
jamie peacock
Exactly. Yeah.
00:15:28
Curt
I mean, I could make some weird cover that, like, shields it.
00:15:29
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:15:31
Curt
But I'm like, no, no. I just want to buy something good and not worry about it. Like...
00:15:34
jamie peacock
Yeah. I would say put that thing 90 degrees and the problem should mostly go away because then you're not blasting coolant directly into that, uh, into the funny seal on the front.
00:15:35
Curt
oh Okay. Okay.
00:15:46
Curt
Totally. Well, maybe I'll open it up, clean clean this one, get them to send me a brand new one, and then mount it and see see what helps.
00:15:47
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:52
jamie peacock
If it is a knockoff of a TS-27R, the front-hand screws in the kinematic module just pops out, to throw it the ultrasonic cleaner, and then reassemble and you'll be good to go.
00:15:59
Curt
Yeah.
00:16:01
jamie peacock
They're actually really cleverly built.
00:16:02
Curt
I'm sure that's all it is. Yeah. Yeah, it's I can't imagine it being all that complicated. And it works. it just it sticks And I get it. It sticks because there's coolant just being blasted at it all the time.
00:16:10
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:16:12
Curt
But was just like, rawr. So I thought i thought the Renishal would fix it, but maybe not.
00:16:15
jamie peacock
Yeah, so mine...
00:16:18
jamie peacock
So remember mine was not repeating. Well, the first touch to the second touch and then the rest of the day was repeating.
00:16:21
Curt
like
00:16:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, that problem's gone away. It repeats to the micron now.
00:16:27
Curt
Oh. Oh, beautiful.
00:16:28
jamie peacock
Like one micron deviation. So... i
00:16:30
Curt
Nice. Nice.
00:16:31
jamie peacock
First touch is always, who knows, but it seems to be super consistent unless there's a shaving on it, which I had happened the other day. i was touching off a tool I'm like, why'd that change so much? Oh, there's a shaving because the stupid little roughing shavings from my alley rougher make tiny, tiny shavings.
00:16:47
jamie peacock
But yeah, I've been touching off a million freaking tools lately and loving that it's built into the controller. It's like, I don't know how I got this far without without having automatic touch off.
00:16:54
Curt
Yeah.
00:16:59
jamie peacock
It's yeah, properly properly lazy people things.
00:17:02
Curt
No, it's the way I know. him and I mean, I was having sticking issues. So I just put like a, just put the offset where like where my probe is just so I could quickly get to it just manually because it lights up.
00:17:08
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:17:11
Curt
So I'm like, well, I could still just use it this way, even if it's not dependable.
00:17:11
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:17:13
Curt
And I mean, the amount of times I touch off tools, it's like, you know, once a quarter.
00:17:17
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:17:18
Curt
So it's not like, it's not, I don't need it for that.
00:17:19
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:17:20
Curt
I just need it for like, is the tool there?
00:17:21
jamie peacock
yeah
00:17:22
Curt
Okay, carry on. That's all I want it for. So
Optimizing Machining Processes
00:17:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, my so my tool break my two break subroutine, I've got the position just above the thing saved so that when ah when I do a tool break, it rapids to like 10 mils above and then does its tool break routine.
00:17:24
Curt
anyway.
00:17:37
jamie peacock
Otherwise, it takes a freaking eternity.
00:17:40
Curt
yeah yeah no doubt
00:17:41
jamie peacock
look Yeah, I wanted to do it quickly because otherwise it's a it's a whole day thing. also have some questions about, is it g one eight three the smoothing settings?
00:17:53
jamie peacock
Did you get that to work in Fusion?
00:17:55
Curt
um I think uh because I use the uh what the hell is that pass through
00:18:00
jamie peacock
Use the Siemens one.
00:18:02
Curt
I use the Siemens one because I'm not posting code continuously. I should just do a manual NC.
00:18:06
jamie peacock
Okay. Okay.
00:18:07
Curt
But I do have... um I'll send you my... um I think it's actually just the general 828D post.
00:18:12
jamie peacock
because I know the fusion, I know the fusion one doesn't work. It, the controller hates it, uh, with what it spits out.
00:18:18
Curt
Yeah.
00:18:19
jamie peacock
Like I did not a fan. I try to use it because my rough thing is going and it's annoying me.
00:18:21
Curt
But I think you can...
00:18:24
Curt
Yeah, I think you can remap it, though.
00:18:25
jamie peacock
So I want to.
00:18:27
Curt
like It spits out a 001, 001, is zero resorbitable one like ah ah weird code, like cycle883 or whatever it is.
00:18:30
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:18:33
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:18:33
Curt
um But I think you can remap that so it's like finishing, roughing, like whatever the controller tells it to spit out.
00:18:37
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:18:39
Curt
I don't know. I think it's in the post, but I'll have to...
00:18:39
jamie peacock
Okay. Yeah, would expect to be in the post. Okay, I'll send do send me a link to that. i we'll I'll give it a read because ya my roughing cycle is it's taking longer because I'm having to slow down to hit points when I want it to just smooth between them.
00:18:47
Curt
I literally think...
00:18:54
jamie peacock
Like 4.3 meters a minute is 4.3 meters a minute.
00:18:55
Curt
Yep.
00:18:58
jamie peacock
Like it just freaking zoom.
00:18:59
Curt
Yep.
00:19:01
jamie peacock
yeah, I want to mess with that a little bit.
00:19:01
Curt
Yep, it's just... Yeah, it's just a standard Siemens A28D post that comes out of Fusion if you just like look at their posts online.
00:19:08
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:19:09
Curt
Yeah, that's the one I used.
00:19:09
jamie peacock
So I've got that that standard post and when I post it out, it doesn't, the controller hates it.
00:19:14
Curt
Oh, weird.
00:19:15
jamie peacock
Yeah. I've tried to, messed around with it for like 20 minutes and didn't come right.
00:19:17
Curt
Hmm.
00:19:19
jamie peacock
So then I left it.
00:19:21
Curt
Hmm.
00:19:21
jamie peacock
um ah It's obviously running smoother than ah it could if it was roughing.
00:19:22
Curt
Okay.
00:19:24
jamie peacock
So it's fine. Like ah my finishes are good.
00:19:26
Curt
Right.
00:19:27
jamie peacock
It's just the roughing is a little jerky, which is a bit tedious.
00:19:30
Curt
Yeah, no. Yeah, I get that.
00:19:32
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:19:33
Curt
Yeah.
00:19:34
jamie peacock
But yeah. Yeah.
00:19:35
Curt
so
00:19:36
jamie peacock
Yeah, s seamens Siemens talk.
00:19:36
Curt
Yeah.
00:19:38
jamie peacock
ah kid
00:19:40
Curt
No kidding. Yeah.
00:19:41
jamie peacock
yeah So you did you find out, what are they sending you a Renishaw or a toolset spindle probe or what was happening with with your machine?
00:19:49
Curt
I shook their tree ah sugar their tree last week. i was like, hey, what's the story? Because I'm now doing like YouTube videos and like I'm going to say my honest opinion.
00:19:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:19:57
Curt
So I want to know, like are you guys going to help me out on this?
00:19:58
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:19:59
Curt
Are you just going to leave me to hang? and
00:20:02
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:20:03
Curt
he's like He's like, I just met with everything. He's like, I should have an answer for you in the next week or so. He's like, I'm trying to get it all put together so I can just ship it to you at once. I'm like, okay, that's fine. so I'll give him some time.
00:20:10
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:20:11
Curt
But I think for the most part, what what I understand is they're going to fill up my ah carousel with all the tool holders that I'm currently using.
00:20:12
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:20:18
Curt
And I rent a shop package.
00:20:18
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:20:20
Curt
So that would be pretty slick.
00:20:21
jamie peacock
Ooh, lovely.
00:20:23
Curt
Yeah, so we'll see if that that comes to fruition. And if not, then ah whatever.
00:20:26
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:20:27
Curt
and That's the nice thing about buying your own machine, not being sponsored, is I can say whatever I want.
00:20:30
jamie peacock
Yeah. Exactly.
00:20:33
Curt
But i don't want to I don't want to drag them through the mud quite yet.
00:20:33
jamie peacock
No, that's... No, not yet.
00:20:35
Curt
So we'll see. Yeah, yeah.
00:20:38
jamie peacock
Give them the benefit for now. But yeah, what is CanCon?
00:20:41
Curt
yeah
00:20:43
jamie peacock
I have, yeah.
00:20:44
Curt
Okay. CanCon was like just an old like radio term of like Canadian content. Like we used to have to have things like on TV, you have to have like 30% CanCon of like Canadian made content.
00:20:49
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:20:53
Curt
So I've just been calling my.
00:20:53
jamie peacock
ah Yes, know all about this because they tried that shit here.
00:20:57
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:20:57
jamie peacock
knock Yeah.
00:20:59
Curt
Yeah. So I've just been calling the CanCon pen, the CanCon pen because it's the ah the Canadian variant of that design.
00:21:03
jamie peacock
Okay. Yeah.
00:21:05
Curt
So I think I finally nailed that down. I think I'm happy with it. So. It's going to probably come out in this batch and yeah jazzed for that. So trying to figure out something. i wanted to make it like super over the top Canadian, but then i'm like this, it's going to be like a $300 pen.
00:21:18
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:21:19
Curt
Like I don't want it to be kind of in your face and people like, so I'm like, Oh, I'll tone it down and just, they'll have some subtle hints to it.
00:21:22
jamie peacock
yeah
00:21:26
Curt
um So yeah, i'm I'm pretty pleased with that. Just going some kind of funny words hidden in the like ISO grip milling. So, and yeah, should be, should be slick.
00:21:34
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:21:36
jamie peacock
Are you planning on doing that milling on the saw?
00:21:40
Curt
I would like to. i still have to build a tail stock for the fourth and then bring all the fourth code over.
00:21:44
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:21:46
Curt
So i don't know if it'll make it time. Just because the grizzly does such a good job at it right now and it's so dialed, I might just
00:21:50
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's Dalton. Yeah.
00:21:52
Curt
Yeah, I might run one more batch on that and um and then we'll move everything over to the sile ah next next time for the fourth work. Because that would be so much nicer to actually be able to move along as opposed to this will literally take me a week of machining to do the pens, the fourth axis work on the Grizzly.
00:22:01
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:22:08
Curt
And it would probably take the sile a day. so
00:22:10
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:22:11
Curt
But it's not doing anything else. It's just sitting there right now. So it can can do that all week.
00:22:14
jamie peacock
Yeah, may as well.
00:22:14
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:17
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's, ah yeah, the LK, I did badly today. only got like 58% spindle that time. But I was running a lathe and doing all sorts of other cuck as well.
00:22:23
Curt
Oh, that sucks. Yeah.
00:22:26
jamie peacock
sir Also, like the first 35 cycles I did this morning were 37 seconds each. So they took longer to reload than to run, yeah. and Drilling a hole and then rigid tapping a hole on 60 pots.
00:22:36
Curt
that's less than ideal.
00:22:40
jamie peacock
It was a bit annoying.
00:22:42
Curt
Yeah. that's ah less ah less than ideal
00:22:45
jamie peacock
Yeah, but the machine rigid taps really well. Broke a tap, but that's because it wasn't a coated tap and I was thread milling steel or thread rigid tapping steel and like 20 parts and it decided, nah, not today.
00:22:59
jamie peacock
So then I just put in a different tap, changed it so it would go a bit deeper because it had spiral point tap. So it needed to go a bit deeper, change that and then let it do its thing.
00:23:10
jamie peacock
do...
00:23:11
Curt
and don't think i will I don't think I will ever rigid tap, but ah like I like thread milling.
00:23:11
jamie peacock
i do
00:23:15
jamie peacock
well ah i was meant to quote a thing i got a rigid tap in m m2
00:23:16
Curt
Rigid tapping scares me.
00:23:22
Curt
yeah that's ah Yeah, I just thread mill that. I mean, it depends. If you're going to do 10,000 threads, okay, maybe not.
00:23:25
jamie peacock
ah
00:23:28
Curt
but Okay.
00:23:29
jamie peacock
i rigid tap i rigid tapped m 2.5 a thousand parts in a day with a hand tap that i ground the front off of so that i didn't have to drill as deep but it was brass.
00:23:41
jamie peacock
Like I made a thousand little parts in like a day. I put a piece of brass upright, machined the perimeters, spot drilled, drilled, rigid tapped, slitting sawed off.
00:23:44
Curt
ah Okay, yeah. Yeah,
00:23:51
jamie peacock
Like, yeah, the the slitting saw story is quite fun.
00:23:51
Curt
that's awesome.
00:23:55
jamie peacock
I actually i was meant to quote today. I need to do that tomorrow morning. Need to get a price on some aluminum, making some thumb rests. for competition shooting.
00:24:02
Curt
Hmm.
00:24:04
jamie peacock
And again, just machine the guys get once 20. I'm like, cool, it'll be three blocks of material and I'll just machine them and slidding saw them off one after to the other.
00:24:12
jamie peacock
I think I might have to do a second op because he wants a crosshatch pattern on it. and like Short of buying a lollipop mill, I don't know how to do that in one op.
00:24:12
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:20
Curt
Fair. Yeah, fair.
00:24:21
jamie peacock
Now I could do it with lollipop, but I don't really want to buy a lollipop just for this, this one job. I've been putting serrations on with a thread mill.
00:24:27
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:30
jamie peacock
So fusion won't let you do a contour pass with a thread mill.
00:24:31
Curt
Hmm.
00:24:33
jamie peacock
It refuses. So I duplicated the tool and told that it was that diameter, but, uh, just an end mill.
00:24:35
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:38
jamie peacock
And then I literally just run across.
00:24:39
Curt
Yep.
00:24:40
jamie peacock
Then it leaves perfectly 1.5 mil spaced grooves.
00:24:43
Curt
Nice.
00:24:44
jamie peacock
Now, yeah, dirty, dirty little tricks, but Hey, if it's dumb and it works, it isn't dumb.
00:24:49
Curt
Oh, yeah, no doubt. Exactly.
00:24:50
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:24:51
Curt
There's so much fanciness you can do or have to do because, you know, whatever.
00:24:52
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah. I know.
00:24:55
jamie peacock
May as well, if you can, but yeah, uh, yeah, AJ put a thing up today, ah asking for quotes for his ma machine.
00:24:55
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:57
Curt
Yeah. No, I know. I've also.
00:25:04
jamie peacock
He printed a whole bunch of letters. So he's putting quotes on his machine, ah just like magnetic letters.
00:25:08
Curt
um
00:25:09
jamie peacock
Yeah. Um, so he asked one and I heard it today on, ah the lean built podcast. ah thought I thought it was really, really good. Don't make it easier to do it right. Make it harder to do it wrong.
00:25:22
Curt
Yeah, fair. Yeah, that's a good point.
00:25:23
jamie peacock
i was like, that is a really clever way. Make it near impossible to do it wrong. Like, you don't have to make it easier to do right. Make it harder to do wrong. And I like that. Like, yeah, that's it's a really smart way of ah of putting it.
00:25:40
Curt
yeah Yeah, no, exactly. Just remove all the move all the pitfalls for sure.
00:25:41
jamie peacock
But, yeah.
00:25:44
jamie peacock
Yeah, make it idiot proof if you can.
00:25:46
Curt
know. That's why i try to put like code I try to put words into my code like just to start of the program, like a quick blurb, because I'm like, I'll never forget this.
00:25:52
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:25:54
Curt
This is important. I just put it in there. And every time ah every time it's in there, I'm like, I'm so glad that's there.
00:25:56
jamie peacock
Quick way to forget it, here
00:25:58
Curt
Because i'm like, oh, yeah, OK. Like just the raw stock or like this is you know this part should come off this or this critical dimension should measure this or like just dumb things where it's like, oh, that's so convenient to be there.
00:26:01
jamie peacock
yeah.
00:26:08
jamie peacock
Yeah, there was something I wanted to add into my code today and I can't remember what it was. Oh, it was yesterday. I made some parts and somewhere along the line, the parts come off the machine half a millimeter short. So I have to just offset the parting tool to be longer.
00:26:24
jamie peacock
And i was like, I should add this.
00:26:25
Curt
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:26:26
jamie peacock
It's a recurring job. I should just add a note to say, this is what the finished part length should be. That way, because I don't have drawings for it, but it's a stupid brass pin for a chair. If it's half a mil off, no one's going to even notice.
00:26:38
jamie peacock
They're hammering it in with glue and sanding it flush.
00:26:41
Curt
isn
00:26:41
jamie peacock
Um, So yeah, it doesn't really matter, but yeah, I want i want to start adding stuff to my to our recurring work documents that or CAM files that it's there, that I don't have to think about it.
00:26:54
jamie peacock
What corner radius tool am I using? Because I run 0.2, 0.4, 0.8 corner radius inserts on the lathe. Kind of important to know which one is going to be running in which job because it's not always clearly demarcated. That's the same tool number.
00:27:10
Curt
Yep.
00:27:11
jamie peacock
So yeah, try make it idiot-proof.
00:27:14
Curt
Yeah, yeah, no, exactly.
00:27:15
jamie peacock
Because when you're doing it at 11 o'clock at night, you're an idiot. Like, you need to make sure you can't stuff it up at that, when you're doing it and you're half asleep or running on 18 cups of coffee, you yeah have to make it idiot-proof.
00:27:30
Curt
That was me. That was me last night.
00:27:30
jamie peacock
But yeah.
00:27:31
Curt
Like I said, I spent, i don't know three hours tweaking the code for the screws. And then i was like, I could run this. And i was like, you know what I'm going to I'm going to save this and I'm going to shut it off and I'm going to go for a walk and I'm going to bed I'm going to do it in the morning because I'm going to gain nothing but possibly break expensive tools.
00:27:47
Curt
And it was all fun in the morning.
00:27:47
jamie peacock
Yeah, exactly.
00:27:48
Curt
Like I didn't, I didn't have to change anything, but still it's just like give myself a few hours to think about it. Like it'll still be there in the morning. It's not going to go away.
00:27:56
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, exactly. Like, yeah, it's important to to recognize that you need to sometimes just step away and not not push through.
00:28:07
Curt
Yeah, no, exactly.
00:28:07
jamie peacock
Yeah, like I was, yeah, I was machining stuff till the 11 o'clock on Saturday night.
00:28:14
jamie peacock
There's still some things that need to be tweaked. I also got a chip in the frigging taper of my machine. I was a bit annoyed.
00:28:22
Curt
ah how'd that happen?
00:28:22
jamie peacock
I machine, I don't know. my my spindle blow-off is not working properly and I haven't been to my mate to pick up my boroscope yet. So I need to go fetch it so i can figure out what the hell's going on. But I was making the pallet to machine the V4 up to.
00:28:38
jamie peacock
And again firstly, I was an illiterate and I had it programmed with stock to leave with negative 0,15 stock to leave because that got me exactly 20 microns over on the 10 mil ball last time.
00:28:51
Curt
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:28:51
jamie peacock
So I went I'm a cool, just add comma one to it. I'll mark it, comp out and we'll be good. Except it was in the negative. So I overshot the tolerance, my comma two of a mil.
Machining Rigidity and Anodizing Quality
00:29:01
jamie peacock
So it was 10.2.
00:29:03
jamie peacock
So like, shit, okay, no worries. I'll rotate the thing 90 degrees. Everything's symmetrical about the center. It'll be okay. Board them, marked it, perfect. Comma two undersized, what I was expecting.
00:29:16
jamie peacock
Comped it back out to what it's supposed to be. Ran the code and it's comma two oversize.
00:29:21
jamie peacock
changed the tool out. I'm like, what the hell?
00:29:25
Curt
Yeah. yeah
00:29:25
jamie peacock
um And then I ended up having to put drill bushes in when I went to build something else with that tool perfectly on size again. So it must just been like when I pulled the tool holder out of the machine, I saw there was a bit of a mark.
00:29:33
Curt
Yeah.
00:29:35
jamie peacock
I wiped it down, put it back in the machine and it was fine after that. so
00:29:39
jamie peacock
But yeah, just a little bit, yeah, a little bit frigging annoying. But yeah, that was machining the V4, making the anchor point on the anchor point.
00:29:39
Curt
Oh, that makes sense then.
00:29:48
Curt
Those are so pretty. Those V4s look so nice.
00:29:49
jamie peacock
oh
00:29:50
Curt
What
00:29:50
jamie peacock
I also discovered something. So the I've been running into rigidity issues when I've been trying to be an absolute lunatic with the yeah roughing toolpaths.
00:29:53
Curt
was that?
00:30:01
jamie peacock
Turns out the V2 pad that is on the on the one that's in my machine, that was just a turned face. And when I look at the contact pattern on the bottom of the pallet, it's only contacting on the center of the ball.
00:30:13
Curt
Okay.
00:30:17
jamie peacock
So right where the pull stud is, it's only contacting there, not across the full face. So I think the rigidity is about to go through the roof when I put the V4 into my machine.
00:30:25
Curt
Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:26
jamie peacock
Yeah, much bigger contact area, should be more rigid.
00:30:27
Curt
Yeah.
00:30:29
jamie peacock
I run out of horsepower before I run out of rigidity.
00:30:33
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:34
jamie peacock
Now, it's a surprisingly rigid setup.
00:30:34
Curt
Oh.
00:30:38
Curt
Nice.
00:30:39
jamie peacock
Yeah, but yeah, the V4s look very pretty.
00:30:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:30:41
jamie peacock
We're going to see if...
00:30:41
Curt
They do.
00:30:42
jamie peacock
So I'm going to the commercial anodizers this week, and we're going to see if they can manage to ruin the spare body that I have, because that's how much faith I have in them.
00:30:50
Curt
You just want it.
00:30:52
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I made two bodies. I anodized one myself, and then I'm going to take the other one to the to the anodizers that I use, and we're going to see if they can manage to ruin it for me.
00:30:54
Curt
Right, yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:31:03
Curt
You're just taking it to them to
00:31:03
jamie peacock
know if you saw the... Yeah, I want them to just a test run on it. Just anodize it for me. I want to see what your quality looks like.
00:31:11
Curt
just so you can take that out of you don't have to do it house if you don't want to.
00:31:11
jamie peacock
want to see.
00:31:14
jamie peacock
Yeah, well, becomes ah it becomes a thing if I want to make lots of them. Like, I can run, realistically, I can run between 8 and 10 parts per day through my ano setup if I'm doing those bodies.
00:31:20
Curt
Gotcha. Yeah, gotcha.
00:31:27
jamie peacock
But when I do that, everything else in the workshop sits at 30% capacity.
00:31:28
Curt
OK.
00:31:33
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:31:33
jamie peacock
because I've got to stop every so often to do Anno, it just eats up so much brain power that it's it's actually inefficient.
00:31:33
Curt
Okay, yeah.
00:31:41
jamie peacock
So I'm going to take it to them. I'm going to see what colors they offer, get them to do the sample, pay whatever their minimum lot charges and just have it done.
00:31:50
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:31:51
jamie peacock
yeah did you Did you see the Instagram post with the drawing?
00:31:54
jamie peacock
from earlier yeah 10 millimeter writing do not rack on this ball guaranteed they will rack on that ball without a doubt in my mind they're going to stuff my pot up so i'm going to go and see like i have zero faith in anodizers absolutely no faith in them so we'll see maybe they do a good job who knows maybe i have to add a racking hole i don't mind doing that either like one hole that's threaded m4 that that is where i want it racked um
00:31:54
Curt
I did, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:31:57
Curt
You're rocking. Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:05
Curt
Yeah.
00:32:16
Curt
yeah
00:32:19
Curt
yep
00:32:20
jamie peacock
But yeah, we'll see what they say when I take it through to them, get a price on it, um and then potentially start doing batches through them. But I think the color selection might be a bit limited.
00:32:31
jamie peacock
I really like my purple, but if it's got to be a different color, it's got to be a different color.
00:32:37
Curt
Yeah, yeah. Well, here's what it is.
00:32:38
jamie peacock
So, I mean, technically speaking, I can anodize them as fast as I can machine them. because the cycle time has crept up a little bit now. But ah it's just another point of failure that I have to be in control of, which I'm not super keen on.
00:32:55
Curt
yeah
00:32:56
jamie peacock
Because y when I'm trying to get it trying to get it out the door now. And we're going to do larger quantities, I need to... can't drop everything I'm doing to make those yet.
00:33:08
jamie peacock
But yeah, like Danica was saying to me, do I want that to become my full-time business? Like, well, sure.
00:33:15
Curt
Right. Yeah.
00:33:15
jamie peacock
and i but I've got plans afoot.
00:33:15
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:17
jamie peacock
My machine is going to end up... I'm fairly willing to commit to the fact that there will be eight of those in my machine at some point. That I can literally just swap out the entire table with...
00:33:25
Curt
that
00:33:29
jamie peacock
If it's rigid enough, Why not?
00:33:32
jamie peacock
ah The rigidity issue I ran into is the fact that it's a 30 taper machine and I have 3.7 kilowatts of horsepower that or spindle.
00:33:32
Curt
No, totally.
00:33:33
Curt
Yep.
00:33:41
jamie peacock
That's all I've got. So rigidity is not my limiting factor.
Updates on V4 Design Testing
00:33:45
jamie peacock
And if I can put a vice across two of them and another vice across two or both vices across four of them and quickly swap them, I'm game to do that.
00:33:46
Curt
Yeah.
00:33:54
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. No, it makes perfect sense.
00:33:56
jamie peacock
Yeah. And yeah, there's some fancy stuff ah added. Yeah. There's been a lot of revisions to the V4 body now. It's got, ah did I don't know if you saw the counter balls on the top now.
00:34:05
Curt
No, it looks.
00:34:08
jamie peacock
It's M8 counter board through the Lang stud holes so you can bolt it from the top.
00:34:09
Curt
Yep. Yep.
00:34:12
jamie peacock
You don't have to pull your fixture plates off once you machine it. Like all these little improvements that I think have made it a significantly better product.
00:34:17
Curt
That's nice.
00:34:22
Curt
Yep. No, I think it's perfect.
00:34:23
jamie peacock
Like it's not a, yeah, it's not a small increase. It's significantly better.
00:34:29
Curt
Well, and the way you're doing the final machining on it to maintain like your height tolerance across it, that's pretty good.
00:34:31
jamie peacock
Yeah, exactly.
00:34:33
Curt
like that I don't know.
00:34:34
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:34:35
Curt
that might That might shoot you in the foot for the dual. the dual unit, but i't I don't know if there's a point to making a dual unit if you have such tight high tolerance on a single unit.
00:34:48
jamie peacock
Well, that's it. Like, so the, every unit will be the same. Cause what my plan is, is to machine a fixture with two loose dial holes. I don't have to be super tight to locate the pins in 12 threaded with the counter ball. And then I bring in my face mill. I face the surface.
00:35:04
jamie peacock
I click the unit on um machine, the back, I click the next unit on machine, the back without changing tools.
00:35:07
Curt
Yeah. Yep.
00:35:10
jamie peacock
So as accurate as my machine can position in theory, micro and in practice, probably not, but,
00:35:10
Curt
Yep. Yep.
00:35:18
jamie peacock
as tight as my machine tolerance is, that is how thick that ah total stack up will be. And the idea is that I can sell you four units and you can build your own base plate. Or I can build a base plate and sell you four units, but it's as long as the base plate's machined in one setting, I don't have to do any fancy shenanigans.
00:35:27
Curt
total
00:35:34
jamie peacock
Like, ah yeah, it'll simplify.
00:35:36
Curt
ye
00:35:37
jamie peacock
It'll mean that it's one product that does the anchor point, the mooring point and the harbor. The mooring points and harbor are just going to be base plates at this point.
00:35:45
Curt
that makes That makes perfect sense.
00:35:46
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:35:47
Curt
I think that's ah that's a wise way to go.
00:35:48
jamie peacock
that yeah, we machine it, you put it in your machine and we give you the file to just skim the surface. So, you know, it is exactly true to your machine. And then, yeah, I think I would also, i would want to sell it with a bar.
00:36:02
jamie peacock
So we would make a bar that goes but on the dial pins between the two units that you clamp the bar and then you tighten the units down.
00:36:09
Curt
Right, like a little tri, kind of like a tramming bar.
00:36:10
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:11
Curt
yeah, yeah, stick it in square. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
00:36:13
jamie peacock
Yeah. That way, you know that they are, they are positionally accurate because, um, Yeah, there's potentially a ah little bit of play between the Langstad holes and those pinholes.
00:36:25
Curt
Yeah.
00:36:25
jamie peacock
Just because clearances have to exist.
00:36:26
Curt
Yep. That'll make sense.
00:36:27
jamie peacock
Like, don't want to assemble everything with a hammer.
00:36:28
Curt
Yep. Yeah.
00:36:31
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:36:32
Curt
Yeah.
00:36:32
jamie peacock
But now, ah yeah, as far as assembly goes, like it's now one piece.
00:36:32
Curt
Yeah. No doubt.
00:36:36
jamie peacock
There's no stupid base plates. Yeah. It looks frigging sweet.
00:36:40
Curt
That's beautiful.
00:36:41
jamie peacock
There's a few tweaks I need to make still.
00:36:41
Curt
Yeah. It looks like
00:36:43
jamie peacock
Like, i want to tweak some of the chamfers and things, but it's cosmetics.
00:36:47
Curt
Well, it looks like you've designed it now so you can't get like chips packing up. like I mean, you couldn't really get chips packing around the beta because it's just a cylinder. Like what's going to stick?
00:36:54
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:36:55
Curt
At least this one is like fully like like a little mountain.
00:36:57
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:36:58
Curt
Right.
00:36:59
jamie peacock
And then I'll make, I need to still design a little TPU prints that if you are using laying studs, you push them in the holes so that the it's just a ah slope. But if you've got inmate bolts and I don't know that you're goingnna get away with being able to do that because the counter bolts are only as deep as they need to be.
00:37:09
Curt
Gotcha.
00:37:13
Curt
Gotcha.
00:37:16
jamie peacock
Otherwise we start encroaching on the threads. So I was like, I was trying to ride the balance there. But yeah, it looks like a sweet job. I'm still going to send the V3s out for beta testing because mechanically and mechanism identical.
00:37:25
Curt
Oh, absolutely.
00:37:27
jamie peacock
um
00:37:28
Curt
Yep.
00:37:28
jamie peacock
And those need to go out the door now. I'm dragging my feet hard at this point. I'm worried they're going to get there and everyone's to be like, these things are garbage. And I'm going to like, oh, sad. But I know they're not.
00:37:40
Curt
No.
00:37:41
jamie peacock
That thing's been in development for a year now.
00:37:44
jamie peacock
i Literally for a year that it's been in development. But one in my machine has been in my machine for 11 months.
00:37:44
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:37:50
Curt
Mm, nice. Yeah, so you're testing it.
00:37:52
jamie peacock
it's It's the V2.
00:37:53
Curt
Yeah.
00:37:53
jamie peacock
It's been tested for 11 months. I'm fairly confident it does the thing. ah
00:37:58
Curt
Yep.
00:37:59
jamie peacock
It's made a good couple thousand bots already. And that's with 303 stainless pad, not even a hardened K110 pad.
00:38:02
Curt
Yeah.
00:38:07
Curt
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:08
jamie peacock
ah yeah The new ones are a significant improvement. And yeah, i don't know if you saw the the story with... putting my V3 in the vase and then the V4 on it so I could do the porting.
00:38:19
Curt
On the angle.
00:38:21
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:38:21
jamie peacock
Getting up to some stupid shenanigans. Like that V3 is now in pieces. It got ah converted into my V4. It was all that and its, ah yeah, all in its identical.
00:38:22
Curt
That makes sense.
00:38:29
Curt
I mean, makes sense. Like,
00:38:31
jamie peacock
So i just transplanted them.
00:38:34
Curt
that's that's the way though, right? Like eat your own dog food.
00:38:35
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:38:35
Curt
Like you you're never going to know if if it's good or not, if you don't actually use it.
00:38:38
jamie peacock
That's it.
00:38:40
Curt
Like, yeah.
00:38:40
jamie peacock
Yeah. I'm actually super keen to get the V4 into my machine. I need to look around what material I have to build a riser because it won't fit on my old riser.
00:38:47
Curt
Hmm.
00:38:48
jamie peacock
So I might just order material when I order again and make a new riser. But then I think if going do I'm going to order enough material just make a double position riser.
00:38:53
Curt
Yeah.
00:38:57
jamie peacock
Just get it over and done with. Make myself a two position.
00:38:59
Curt
Yeah.
00:39:00
jamie peacock
And then I still want to build a ah another riser that's at 90 degrees, but I also have a harmonic drive. So I may as well just build a little indexing head.
00:39:10
jamie peacock
as one does. I've got a couple jobs that I need to put holes opposite side of things. And I'm thinking I've got the harmonic drive, I need to buy a motor, and then I've got the code for an indexing unit that you literally boot the button with the tool and it indexes set number of degrees and you go do your thing.
00:39:27
jamie peacock
So it can be fully automated.
00:39:27
Curt
Oh, nice. Yeah.
00:39:28
jamie peacock
um No, I did some stuff this week. Actually, haven't signed NDA for it, so let's talk about it. Tilt rotor mounts for a VTOL, and they've got holes that have to line up across. like Everything's got opposite hole operations. So if I can make a fixture that I can throw in ah just a positioning fourth, do the holes index, do the holes, it's one op.
00:39:50
jamie peacock
As long as it's all set up correctly, it should be relatively hands-off instead of multiple ops in the vase with lots of room for error.
00:39:59
Curt
No doubt. Yeah, yeah,
00:40:00
jamie peacock
But yeah, those those started eating up some cycle time. Holy cow. I think the parts got nearly an hour into each part because everything has surfaced because of Roger and his stupid fillets. I actually got a message from him last week after the episode aired because I know he listens.
00:40:15
jamie peacock
And yeah, he yeah said, well, what are you complaining about? It's not unreasonable. um
00:40:20
Curt
you Hey, if he's paying for it.
00:40:21
jamie peacock
But yeah, those I actually got a video. ah got a video of that unit running today and it's so smooth.
00:40:28
jamie peacock
um Yeah, so yeah we'll see. um I need to have a chat to them about quantities that they're looking for because then we're going to hold hardware for them as well. So when they order, they order a full kit of components and then they just assemble it. And we just vacuum bag them with all the screws, all the ah pins, everything. They just, it arrives, they assemble it.
00:40:28
Curt
Cool. Yeah.
00:40:48
jamie peacock
I don't want to be assembling it. But like some of the stuff I've got about a three millimeter reamer because I'm going to bore everything out, put it together, then ream the holes out so that I know that everything will actually go together.
00:41:00
jamie peacock
But yeah compared to compared to what they were doing, they were laying these parts up out of carbon by hand, just taking them like four or five evenings to lay these parts up. And now it's a billet aluminum piece.
00:41:00
Curt
Yeah, that's.
00:41:13
jamie peacock
Yeah, I know it is.
00:41:13
Curt
sounds better.
00:41:15
jamie peacock
And it's also production. I like production. Let me actually see.
00:41:19
Curt
Sick.
00:41:20
jamie peacock
But yeah, so what I kind of, yeah, mills can be good lads. I'm super curious.
00:41:29
Curt
So like I was um for the fixture I'm building, I needed to make i wanted to make this fixture like way more complicated than I should have because I'm like, they Hold the screws. That's what I'm talking about.
Fixture Design Improvements and Anodizing Testing
00:41:39
Curt
So they should screw in, they should screw screw in, and then they should lock so that they can't unscrew themselves.
00:41:40
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:41:45
Curt
So I had this big elaborate fixture built with like, you know, collapsing collets that wouldn't, you know, wreck the threads.
00:41:45
jamie peacock
ah Okay.
00:41:50
Curt
And i'm like, you know what I'm going to try? I'm going to try putting really nice counterbores in a piece of aluminum and putting a nut essentially on the backside and see if that works.
00:41:57
jamie peacock
okay yeah
00:41:58
Curt
I'll like, I'll model, I'll tweak my machining operation. So it doesn't torque the part, like any torque I'm putting on it, I'm trying to make it so tightens the part. And I mean, its it's ah like 140 0.14 inches wide. So like, it's a very small part and I'm using like, you know, one 16 tools, like what's a five mils.
00:42:19
Curt
Yeah. Just some random measurements.
00:42:21
jamie peacock
yeah three point five five six millimeters
00:42:22
Curt
Yeah.
00:42:24
jamie peacock
imperialize
00:42:24
Curt
Yeah, so it's a tiny part and like the tiny tools, there's not a lot of torque.
00:42:26
jamie peacock
yeah it's small yeah
00:42:28
Curt
So I'm like, I'm just going to try this. Anyways, I was like, okay, well, I need essentially need little standoffs that are like threaded on one side that have a screwdriver slot on the other side so I can just tighten them on easily. So I just blocked them out on the lathe and threw them in the hard inch because I'm like, it's 256.
00:42:41
jamie peacock
yeah yeah
00:42:43
Curt
So it's like, I don't want to rigid tap it on the manual lathe. And I don't want to like to tap a 256. You can't like single point an ID on the like I don't have a small enough tool for that.
00:42:53
jamie peacock
yeah
00:42:53
Curt
So I'm like, I'll just thread mill it. So I just yeah dropped it in the vice and yeah, thread milled it and they came out perfectly.
00:42:57
jamie peacock
yeah your thread millings yeah your thread millings all dialed in from making the pens so yeah
00:43:02
Curt
Right. Yeah, that's I figured. So i just made the hole exact same as I make my pens. And then, yeah, just put it in the vise. It a little V-notch for holding round stock. And it worked so well. like I just made an offset for it, dropped the part in, it faces the pip-off, drills a hole, thread mills it, done.
00:43:15
Curt
It was like 42 seconds, and I have the parts I want.
00:43:16
jamie peacock
nice yeah
00:43:18
Curt
So now I can just... Because I have to make... Essentially, I have to make one for every single screw. So you know i can make I'm going to make 12 for each fixture, and I make two fixtures. So that's 24. So I'm like, i don't want to make 24 of these. So now I just...
00:43:28
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, that's...
00:43:29
Curt
Hardinch can block off 24, can plop them in the mill, and I'll be done in you know half an hour. So yeah, mills are good lathes or can be good lathes.
00:43:34
jamie peacock
Nice. Yes. Well, I'm... Yeah, I'm guilty of making so round spacers on the mill because everything's set up. You machine the parts out, slitting sawed off.
00:43:44
Curt
Yeah.
00:43:46
jamie peacock
There you go. Chamfered both sides. but It's not worth setting the lathe up. It takes me five minutes to program, another minute or two to machine, and it's off. Like, just turning the lathe on is going to take longer.
00:43:57
Curt
Well, and I think my problem is though like i always I always assume that like mills don't have the concentricity because it's just by nature.
00:43:57
jamie peacock
Like I made a whole whole bunch.
00:44:04
Curt
It's interpolating everything. so But like they're so good. like They're so good nowadays.
00:44:07
jamie peacock
Doesn't matter, Yeah.
00:44:08
Curt
like Yeah, it's within tenths of circularity. like It's really good.
00:44:12
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:44:14
Curt
like You can machine slip fits on round parts. it just I'm thinking hobby land mills still where it's like, well, I have a foul of backlash, so you got to like compensate for it where it's like, no, that's not an issue.
00:44:19
jamie peacock
yes
00:44:23
Curt
Yeah. yeah
00:44:24
jamie peacock
Yeah, that's something that's taken a bit of getting used to with the with the LK. Like, you can make a round, a very accurate round with very little effort. Like, very, very little effort to get it pretty round.
00:44:34
Curt
yep
00:44:37
jamie peacock
Like, I've noticed if I try and go at super speed, the machine will slow down because it's trying to hit ah positioning tolerance. It doesn't make it perfectly round, but you slow it down and then you go perfectly round.
00:44:51
jamie peacock
Like if I know, especially on the slow year, if I wanted a circle to be a circle, it was 300 millimeters a minute or less, depending on the size of the circle.
00:44:51
Curt
yeah
00:45:00
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:02
jamie peacock
um That was, ah any if I wanted a super accurate circle, 100 millimeters a minute.
00:45:03
Curt
yeah
00:45:07
jamie peacock
And then it would do a pretty but pretty good job. But you push that up to 1.2 meters a minute and you've got an oval, like straight up oval.
00:45:14
Curt
yeah
00:45:14
jamie peacock
Whereas the LK, it's at 1.2 meters a minute, It's still pretty freaking round. If you want spot spot on, drop to 400 mils a minute and it'll be round. Like interpolating the balls on the pallets.
00:45:26
jamie peacock
I think I do that at 800 mils a minute. It's like done.
00:45:30
Curt
Yeah.
00:45:30
jamie peacock
It's round.
00:45:31
Curt
yeah
00:45:31
jamie peacock
Like I can't measure the deviation with the equipment I have.
00:45:35
Curt
Yeah.
00:45:36
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:45:36
jamie peacock
I was also looking at buying gauges, but I'm trying to avoid that.
00:45:36
Curt
Yeah.
00:45:36
Curt
No.
00:45:39
jamie peacock
I don't want to know how badly my things are machined. Well, ah again that's the thing now. i I'm going to send this stuff to Anno. I want to see how much their buildup is. Like, I've got a drawing that I'm going to mark all the parts, note it, file the drawing away, send it there with a different drawing.
00:45:55
jamie peacock
When it comes back, measure and say, okay, cool. They're adding 20 microns a side. I now need to compensate for that.
00:46:01
jamie peacock
Because my Anno setup added not even 10 microns.
00:46:01
Curt
Yeah.
00:46:02
Curt
Yeah.
00:46:06
Curt
Right. Right.
00:46:06
jamie peacock
Now, mine's very much a cosmetic anno, so it added about 10 microns.
00:46:06
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:09
jamie peacock
I was hoping it would add more because I kind of blew out the balls on one of the features. um But that's what Loctite's for. like um It's well within the tolerance of what Loctite can do. going clean the holes out with isopropyl, and then I'll Loctite the pins in for now.
00:46:23
jamie peacock
I mean, it's my own personal unit. the The production ones, that's a press fit. And also, running through its R&D, I made them a big a bit bigger, expecting the anno to build up more than it did.
00:46:35
jamie peacock
Oh Joe, you live and you, you live and you learn on things like that.
00:46:38
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:46:38
Curt
no yeah exactly yeah buts especially if it's repeatable like especially if your anno comes back and it's it it would suck to calibrate it at whatever 20 micron the next time it comes back and it's 4 oh or 34 okay okay yeah
00:46:45
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:46:49
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:46:50
Curt
or thirty four
00:46:50
jamie peacock
It can be a press fit. Those pins can be a press fit. So it's I'm going to leave them with the 10 micron interference anyway.
00:46:54
Curt
okay
00:46:56
jamie peacock
I know from the stuff that was sent out, but that was top three hard and it was 20 microns for the camera housing stuff.
00:47:03
Curt
okay
00:47:04
jamie peacock
But now I'll just jump. That's why I'm taking a part there. Like I ordered two pieces of material to start off. I will take one of them and go and sacrifice it to the anodizing clowns and hopefully get a good part back. Like...
00:47:17
jamie peacock
I'm gambling it.
00:47:17
Curt
Yeah.
00:47:18
jamie peacock
I can't afford to gamble with, um, with 10 parts because it starts to get like, that's 10 hours of machining. Um, but with one part, I'm willing to, I'm willing to just flush it down the toilet if I need to.
00:47:26
Curt
Yeah.
00:47:32
Curt
Yeah. No, it makes sense.
00:47:32
jamie peacock
But yeah, we are, we're coming up midway on the podcast.
00:47:33
Curt
Makes sense.
00:47:36
jamie peacock
So I thought, let me shout out the one and only Patreon, Jade from Benchmark20. Thank you very much for your support. It goes a long way to making this, uh, a lot easier to justify.
00:47:43
Curt
Yeah.
00:47:47
jamie peacock
But yeah, yeah, it's always fun chatting.
00:47:47
Curt
no i No doubt. Yeah, appreciate it.
00:47:50
jamie peacock
But yeah, thank you very much for your support on Patreon. And there's a Patreon after show that apparently only he gets to watch um where we discuss some super secret things that, yeah, it's okay if a few people know, but we don't want everyone to know.
Community Engagement and PC Cooling Projects
00:48:05
jamie peacock
So yeah, thought I'd just shout that out before we get too deep into the podcast.
00:48:06
Curt
exactly.
00:48:10
jamie peacock
And then, ah yeah, if anyone wants support the podcast, you can also pick up a shirt. ah There's a link in the description to the Loan Machinist's podcast website. It's theloanmachinist.com. And through there, you'll get to JSpec Engineering Store. And on there, we've got a whole section for podcast merch.
00:48:26
jamie peacock
And that goes towards supporting the podcast. We've a couple cool shirts there and hoodies. I don't think Kurt's wearing his because it's too warm, apparently.
00:48:34
Curt
No, minds ah mine's at the seamstress right now. I put a zipper in it, so I should have it back.
00:48:36
jamie peacock
Ooh, fancy.
00:48:38
Curt
I should have it back by next episode. So yeah, I'm jazzed for that.
00:48:40
jamie peacock
Okay. Awesome. Yeah. So apparently they're a little bit too warm. ah But yeah, we've a whole bunch of shirts and a bunch of merch stuff to help support the podcast.
00:48:49
jamie peacock
So yeah.
00:48:49
Curt
Right on.
00:48:50
Curt
i do have I do have some questions.
00:48:50
jamie peacock
ah Yeah. Ooh, okay. Yes. Oh yeah, we we put a call out for questions.
00:48:54
Curt
So.
00:48:56
jamie peacock
I forgot about that. let's Let's address the most important one from frame like from Bolt Belt on Instagram.
00:49:00
Curt
Okay.
00:49:05
Curt
Uh, bolt belt from Instagram asks for fruit grip and bolt belt on Instagram can go get, uh, uh, I'll answer it question. Uh, yeah. So I will do a fruit grip.
00:49:13
jamie peacock
grips. Yes.
00:49:14
jamie peacock
You can go get fruit grips.
00:49:14
Curt
Yeah.
00:49:15
Curt
yeah You can go get fruit grip.
00:49:15
jamie peacock
I feel like I'm going to get a special fruit grip with a but human banana on it.
00:49:18
Curt
Oh, oh, you are. Yep. Yep. Yeah, exactly.
00:49:25
Curt
Uh,
00:49:25
jamie peacock
Yeah. So did you get any interesting questions? Nobody likes me.
00:49:28
Curt
yeah.
00:49:28
jamie peacock
I didn't get any questions.
00:49:30
Curt
I got a few questions here. um So one, I'm not going to call out their names just because I won't. um One person asked, I think most these are kind of directed at me, so I'll just skim through them real quick.
00:49:41
Curt
But ah one person asked, will you make machine fittings for custom PC water pipe cooling? We need to hear or to save us all. Don't push me. That is... i custom PCs is like, that is like a big pile of cocaine sitting on the corner. And I was like, no, no, I'm like, I'm not going near it. Cause I know I will fall into that so hard.
00:50:00
Curt
Like I like lights. I like intricacies. I follow this one, uh, Instagram channel. He's just doing like a big copper billet, um, PC and same like copper piping for everything, all the water cooling.
00:50:09
jamie peacock
which which channel is that okay no worries we'll put a link in the description I'm gonna add a note here so we don't forget so ah okay
00:50:12
Curt
I can't remember it right now.
00:50:15
Curt
Billet. I think it's cool. Sure. Yeah. It's, It's called like Billet Labs or something like that. He's doing anyways, he's been doing for, he's got a huge YouTube series on it. um But yeah, I just, that's, I don't need to push towards custom PCs.
00:50:27
Curt
I would, yeah, I could, I would sink my, all my spare time into that.
00:50:29
jamie peacock
yeah no that's a that's a bad plan
00:50:32
Curt
It would be fun though. I would enjoy doing it. um Another question I got is, ah can I design a clip that would hide all the hardware? Yes, that is a hundred percent on the, yeah on the rosters. I would love to machine a clip where you can't tell how anything is connected because everything's hidden internally. So it's definitely on the works. I'm,
00:50:48
Curt
I have the design for that one. so It'll come out at some point. I'm not having too much fun machining screws that people can actually see right now. so Super secret screws.
00:50:58
jamie peacock
Super secret screws.
00:51:01
jamie peacock
Yeah, going have secret messages in them. Next thing we know, you're going to be engraving messages on the threads themselves.
00:51:01
Curt
yeah I'm so pleased those work out.
00:51:08
Curt
Oh, that would be and that'd be glorious.
00:51:10
jamie peacock
Fiber laser. I can do it.
00:51:12
Curt
Yeah, no.
00:51:12
jamie peacock
On the fiber laser, I did a 0.2 text.
00:51:16
jamie peacock
0.2 of a millimeter high text. Yeah, had to put it in the microscope to actually read it.
00:51:16
Curt
That's pretty tiny.
00:51:18
Curt
That's tiny. Yeah, that's tiny. That's tiny.
00:51:22
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's absolutely tiny.
00:51:25
Curt
Yeah.
00:51:25
jamie peacock
But yeah, I went down the the water cooling route. It's a bad plan. That's actually why I built the Slowio. That's what inspired building the Slowio.
00:51:31
Curt
Oh, yeah.
00:51:32
jamie peacock
I had my other router and I machined and I spent forever sanding tooling marks out of acrylic and polishing them out.
00:51:39
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:51:40
jamie peacock
That's why I built the Slowio so that I could do that with Reddit's Vs.
00:51:45
jamie peacock
It did work really well for that.
00:51:45
Curt
Yeah.
00:51:45
Curt
ah
00:51:46
jamie peacock
I made a water cooled 3D printer in 2019.
00:51:49
Curt
That's cool.
00:51:50
jamie peacock
Yeah. Back when I was a spring chicken and didn't have to actually make fricking money and could just stuff around all day.
00:51:58
Curt
I've seen one of those like those bell curve charts where it's like, you know, where those those have those memes, um you know, the bottom of the bell curve, then the middle of the bell curve and the high end.
00:51:58
jamie peacock
Those were the good days.
00:52:06
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:52:06
Curt
And the bottom of the bell curve is like, air cooling, your PC is fine. And then the middle of the bell curve is like, water cooling is the only way. And then at the top end of the bell curve is like, no, air cooling is just fine because like water cooling is such a pain in the ass.
00:52:16
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:52:17
jamie peacock
well Literally my, yeah. My PC in the workshop that runs my laser cutter was water cooled until it sprung a leak and then it went straight back to being air cooled.
00:52:17
Curt
It's like, yeah, once you know what you're doing,
00:52:27
Curt
Yeah, like there's just so much less risk and it works.
00:52:27
jamie peacock
Like, yeah.
00:52:29
Curt
And like, unless you're trying to like set benchmarks, you're going to be just fine with Eric ruling.
00:52:29
jamie peacock
Exactly.
00:52:32
jamie peacock
Exactly. yeah i mean the pc we're recording on now my gaming rig runs a standard intel cooler on it like it does the thing every now and again i replace the thermal base because it starts hitting 100 degrees and then you replace it back down to 60 degrees not that i have time to play games anymore but yeah like it's what i used to do as a hobby now i machine things as a hobby and design products as a hobby like yeah
00:52:48
Curt
Yeah.
00:52:51
Curt
Yeah, likewise.
00:52:59
Curt
Yeah, no, same.
00:53:01
jamie peacock
Well, I was meant to build a robot, but we had to postpone the tournament. Literally everybody except one guy couldn't make it.
00:53:08
Curt
Oh, bummer.
00:53:09
jamie peacock
Yeah, so like I got to get two-week postponements, and then hopefully we'll have a lot of people there for the next for the actual tournament. Gives me a bit of time to finalize my robot design, but yeah, that probably won't get looked at until next week Thursday, ah three days before the tournament.
00:53:24
Curt
Nice.
00:53:25
jamie peacock
not yeah Last minute. it wasn't for the last minute, that nothing would ever get done.
00:53:30
Curt
Oh, it's like to give a busy guy the jobs, right? that's That's when you get it done.
00:53:33
jamie peacock
yes Yeah. ah What is Siemens tool edges? I'm quite curious.
00:53:41
Curt
So, I mean, you probably have a fix to this because I've just never experienced it because I've typically never had an auto tool changer and I've never had enough tools where I have to worry about positions, you know, being double occupied.
00:53:52
Curt
But now I have 16 tools and I have other tools that I want to set up. um So on the Siemens control, you can do multiple edges per tool. So you can have like tool position eight, but you can have eight offsets for, and they just call them edges.
00:54:03
jamie peacock
i
00:54:05
Curt
um'm I'm just finding a way where it can...
00:54:05
jamie peacock
Why would you do that?
00:54:08
Curt
I think it's just so it posts out of Fusion better. I don't entirely know.
00:54:10
jamie peacock
Just have a million tools. You can have like 256 and you can call them Jeff if you want. Just label them and take them in and out.
00:54:17
Curt
Right. Yeah. But like, how do you, so that's the one thing I'm trying to figure out is how do I have a library? Like, so I have tool, like say at pocket 16, like how do you assign tool, whatever, 200 to pocket 16?
00:54:30
Curt
to pocket sixteen
00:54:31
jamie peacock
Oh, that's easy. You go to your offsets and you say load. Oh, okay. So you say unload whatever's in whatever pockets. So say let's work on pocket 16.
00:54:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:54:40
jamie peacock
So you go to pocket 16 in the offset menu.
00:54:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:54:43
jamie peacock
You say unload new tool.
00:54:43
Curt
Yeah.
00:54:45
jamie peacock
My name is JF. You call it wherever you want because you can literally call it up to 32 characters.
00:54:49
Curt
Right. Yeah.
00:54:50
jamie peacock
ah I use numbers.
00:54:51
Curt
Exactly.
00:54:52
jamie peacock
You type in the number and that is assigned pocket 16.
00:54:52
Curt
Yeah.
00:54:54
jamie peacock
It doesn't have to be 16. It can be whatever you want to be.
00:54:58
Curt
Oh, OK. OK.
00:54:59
jamie peacock
Yeah, so it doesn't give a shit what's in what pocket. In my case, tool one is always tool one.
00:55:03
Curt
OK.
00:55:05
jamie peacock
Tool two is always tool two. Tool three is always tool 69. Tool 16 is always tool 16. Currently tool 12 is in position 12, which is cool. I like putting the right number in the right slot, but it doesn't matter.
00:55:21
jamie peacock
Like the rest of the stuff, it it does not care.
00:55:22
Curt
Yeah. Okay.
00:55:24
jamie peacock
I mean, tool 606 is in my machine at the moment. So yeah, it doesn't care.
00:55:28
Curt
okay
00:55:29
jamie peacock
That's why I have the tags that I have that have the number. And then when you unload and reload it, it just pulls the correct offset.
00:55:37
Curt
Okay, I think that's why I wanted it because I just wanted to I wanted to be able to visually see it be like anything that's ever into a pocket eight like now I have it all like because it shows eight and it shows all the edge numbers.
00:55:38
jamie peacock
Yeah. it's yeah ah feel like that's I feel like that's a risky way to do it.
00:55:46
Curt
So I could be like, these are any tool that would normally go to eight. I'm just i don't I'm playing with different methods.
00:55:54
Curt
It can be yeah.
00:55:55
jamie peacock
Because if you've got the wrong edge number selected, it's not going to be clearly visible. Whereas if you've got in pocket eight, you've got tool 17 and it's expecting tool eight, it's going to load, mine loads tool one.
00:56:00
Curt
No.
00:56:07
jamie peacock
If the tool isn't there, which is scary as hell, but obviously you prove out your first program.
00:56:10
Curt
Gotcha.
00:56:13
jamie peacock
Like it happened to me today. I hadn't loaded tool 35 in.
00:56:15
Curt
Yeah.
00:56:17
jamie peacock
I was watching it run. I had an optional stop on. It went to run the last tool. It was on tool one, went up, came back down. I'm whoop, pause.
Tool Organization and Tagging Systems
00:56:25
jamie peacock
What's happening? Oh, tool 35. Then you've got to go to the offset table, unload the tool from spindle, and then put it in the pocket you wanted and then call it back in.
00:56:34
Curt
Yeah. Okay.
00:56:34
jamie peacock
But that's why I have that that's why i have that tool tag system.
00:56:35
Curt
So the only way that. ah state yeah the only way that you know that whatever tool 186 goes into pocket 12 is from your tool tags like there's no there's no representation of that anywhere else except on the tag which works yeah yeah
00:56:45
jamie peacock
ah Yeah. No, and it doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. As long as the tools are in your machine, when you go to run your program, it doesn't care. You can put tool one in position 15 now, and when you change tools out, it goes into tool six, into spot six.
00:57:01
jamie peacock
The machine doesn't care. As long as it's in the offset table correctly, it doesn't care. It's not a horse. You can't only have 16 tools or 20 tools or whatever, and they have to be one through 16. That blows my freaking mind.
00:57:13
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:14
jamie peacock
ah Call it whatever you want. Like the fact that you can call your tool Jeff and no one cares, it's great. Like it's, it really is.
00:57:21
Curt
No, that's a nice feature to have for sure.
00:57:23
jamie peacock
And the offsets as well. It doesn't call G43 with the H number. It just calls two and then D1. And I assume that refers to the edge is the D.
00:57:33
Curt
Yeah, D1, D2, D8. Yeah, that's all your edges.
00:57:35
jamie peacock
Yeah. Mine, everything just runs D1 on everything because you've got 256 tools.
00:57:38
Curt
Hmm, hmm.
00:57:39
jamie peacock
There's no reason to start using different edges.
00:57:42
jamie peacock
Like I could see that being useful if you were using sister tools out of the machine that oh, Enmal's wearing out, swap tool eight to another tool eight and it's preset as D2.
00:57:42
Curt
Yeah.
00:57:43
Curt
Yeah.
00:57:48
Curt
Yeah.
00:57:52
jamie peacock
And you could preset or you could prestage.
00:57:53
Curt
I'm almost...
00:57:54
jamie peacock
ah
00:57:55
Curt
I'm almost certain that's what the edge numbers were initially built for. Or like different radiuses for very similar...
00:57:57
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:57:59
Curt
Like a lot of it is around lathes. So I bet you that's what it was initially designed for.
00:58:02
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:58:03
Curt
But i was like, I don't know if I use edges or if I use numbers. But don't know. I gotta figure it out. don't know.
00:58:07
jamie peacock
Print the things, they're on my printables. Just print the rack.
00:58:10
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:11
jamie peacock
How many tool holders do you, spots do you have in there?
00:58:12
Curt
Yeah.
00:58:14
jamie peacock
16?
00:58:15
Curt
16, yeah. And I don't even have enough tool holders, so it's not it's not an issue right now.
00:58:16
jamie peacock
Yeah, I'm busy. I'm busy. Yeah.
00:58:18
Curt
I'm just trying to find ah the method that'll work.
00:58:19
jamie peacock
But it is, it's one of those, it's one of those things that if you start now, it's going to make life easy when you get more tool holders.
00:58:25
Curt
That's the game I'm playing. It's like, do I want to play the edge game, or do I want to go to number...
00:58:26
jamie peacock
And do prints, go the number game, just straight up go the number game. It makes it super easy to load in and out. So currently I have 16 tools in the machine and 27 on the front of the machine.
00:58:39
jamie peacock
And if the tool tag is facing up, it's set in the machine. All I have to do is find a pocket to stick it in until the offset table that that tool is in there now and it's ready to go.
00:58:46
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:58:47
jamie peacock
So yeah, it makes it super, like, I don't think you're to lot of change outs, but it also, you can, without sticking your head in the machine, you can look at what's in the rack and say, oh, this tool's in this pocket number.
00:59:00
jamie peacock
Like I know most of my my tool numbers, just they're always the same.
00:59:00
Curt
yeah
00:59:04
jamie peacock
So I know what they are. Like I can look at the carousel and say, cool, I need to position um this tool to the the change position. I'll see what's for tools behind it. And I generally know what that number is.
00:59:17
jamie peacock
Now I get a bit confused with thread mills, but that's because they're really stupidly labeled in my machine. No, like really, really stupidly labeled. We've got tool 25, which is an M6 threadmill.
00:59:28
jamie peacock
Then it goes to 72 for an M5 and then 76 for an M3. And like there's some in the 50 series, like it's all over the show, but it was inherited from the Slowio.
00:59:41
jamie peacock
The tool numbers.
00:59:41
Curt
Right.
00:59:41
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:42
jamie peacock
So yeah, like tool two is always a six millimeter end mill. Always.
00:59:47
Curt
Yeah.
00:59:47
jamie peacock
There's an Ali Ruffer six millimeter. Tool 69 is my face mill because I needed a cool number for it when I bought it. So it's like 69. And it it's been, and even my, My bigger shell mill is tool 469 because it's for doing ah steel. And then all my steel tools are the same number, but with a four in front of them.
01:00:05
jamie peacock
So like 469 is my facing.
01:00:06
Curt
Hmm.
01:00:07
jamie peacock
402 is my six millimeter. 405 is my 10 mil rougher. Like everything, it's a stupid system, but there's a system.
01:00:16
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:17
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:00:17
Curt
Oh, makes sense.
01:00:18
jamie peacock
But I would recommend going the tool tag route and just make sure you either print the tags out of ABS or PETG. PLA does not last for the actual BT-30 tool tags.
01:00:29
Curt
I don't think I've printed PLA in the last decade. It's like PETG everything.
01:00:32
jamie peacock
ah I love PLA. Print super easily.
01:00:36
jamie peacock
Yeah, I like my PLA. What do I have in the machine now? I've got red PLA because I was printing armor for a robot. I've got shitty PLA that should get thrown out the window because it's from SA Filament. Do not buy SA Filament ever.
01:00:49
jamie peacock
It's like Kron, but worse. um I have some very strong opinions about our local filament suppliers. You don't buy Cron. Have you ever had ABS filament string?
01:01:01
Curt
Maybe some old stuff, yeah.
01:01:03
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, had a roll of Cron that was stringing. It's the only roll of ABS I've ever had string. I threw away half a roll of filament. SA Filament, I had purple filament that would...
01:01:17
jamie peacock
trying how to word this PG Lee, um, ejaculate all over my pot. It had white bits all over it.
01:01:22
Curt
Right on.
01:01:24
jamie peacock
I had to wipe the nozzle before the print, then halfway through printer to wipe the nozzle again. because it was getting like this white waxy buildup that would drop into the prints and then leave fricking stains. Um, so yeah it was annoying as hell i had to print purple for a customer and i ended up throwing away half a roll of that filament
Printing Materials and Tool Identification
01:01:40
jamie peacock
as well and like this is not going in my machine again i print wan how pla print cron ptg it's okay um and then wan how tpu i'm very very like wan how always of the 40 kilograms of filaments i've put through that printer
01:01:57
jamie peacock
Every role has been the same of WAN RPLA. Every single role has been identical.
01:02:00
Curt
That's
01:02:01
jamie peacock
Never tuned it, nothing. You put it in, you hit print, it goes. Like I tuned it once and it just works. So yeah, print.
01:02:09
Curt
nice. Yeah, I print so little I just buy it good good quality stuff and just, I don't print it enough worry about it.
01:02:13
jamie peacock
yeah Well, this is some of the ben like when i was some of the better stuff available locally. Like I've got a roll of ESUN TPU now.
01:02:18
Curt
Hmm.
01:02:20
jamie peacock
That's ah like day glow green.
01:02:20
Curt
Hmm.
01:02:22
jamie peacock
It's lovely stuff. um
01:02:24
Curt
Hmm.
01:02:24
jamie peacock
Otherwise, it's been... We don't touch Cron ah TPU because it's unprintable. I've been at 3D printing store. They're the Cron agents. And I'm like, I've told the customers in their store, do not buy this crap. Go buy real filament on that shelf.
01:02:39
jamie peacock
I just got a little bit irate with me. I'm like, no, don't sell shit. And I won't... ah
01:02:42
Curt
Yeah.
01:02:42
jamie peacock
I won't tell people it's shit. Like, yeah. A bit opinionated, apparently. So yeah, print the tool tags out of PETG. Oh, you don't have a fiber laser. That's a bit inconvenient.
01:02:54
jamie peacock
um
01:02:55
Curt
yeah
01:02:56
jamie peacock
I literally... So you can stick a...
01:03:01
jamie peacock
a label sticker on them. That's what I was doing. And then I became fancy and bought a fiber laser. And it's now literally quicker for me to fiber lays the number onto it, the tool number and what it is, then it is for me to print it, take my phone out, turn the printer on and print a label.
01:03:17
Curt
Fair.
01:03:18
jamie peacock
Yeah, I've got an, i actually need to print it, but I need to laser a bunch ah of tool tags. because I've got a few that are missing now, but I've ah printed a whole bunch, and then they just sit um in a linbin, and I just grab as I need.
01:03:36
Curt
Yeah.
01:03:36
jamie peacock
stop Just busy looking now. Yes, okay, the tool tag is in the in the tool labeling system.
01:03:41
Curt
The printables.
01:03:43
jamie peacock
Yeah, I'm just going to...
01:03:44
Curt
Nice.
01:03:45
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I couldn't remember if I'd uploaded it.
01:03:49
jamie peacock
There we go. It'll be... Yeah, I think you downloaded it, but it is on the, it'll be in the show notes, the tool tagging system.
01:03:49
Curt
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have it saved on my computator.
01:03:57
Curt
Ooh.
01:03:58
jamie peacock
There's also, i think, a BT40 version there, if not mistaken. I can't remember.
01:04:02
Curt
Hmm.
01:04:03
jamie peacock
think I did a BT40 version. It's one of those things that, yeah, may as well. Oh no, this is only BT30.
01:04:08
Curt
Yeah.
01:04:09
jamie peacock
Sorry, BT40 people or Cat40 people. You can go buy one.
01:04:13
Curt
Exactly. You got the money for it.
01:04:14
jamie peacock
Us BT30 plebs can print our own.
01:04:16
Curt
Yeah, exactly.
01:04:17
jamie peacock
But yeah, super worth it to just be able to have a whole lot of stuff set up. um
01:04:23
jamie peacock
I think I also shared my my tool rack. Yes, i did.
01:04:23
Curt
Yeah.
01:04:26
Curt
Yeah, no, I have that too.
01:04:27
jamie peacock
There's a BT-30 tool rack.
01:04:28
Curt
Yeah, I have it all downloaded.
01:04:29
jamie peacock
I've actually got two or three of them spare because I ordered five of them. They sent six. They made an extra one and didn't charge me for it.
01:04:38
Curt
Yeah.
01:04:39
jamie peacock
And then my machine could only take four of them. So I have two sitting waiting, waiting for future projects where dedicated tools will end up in a different room.
01:04:43
Curt
Yeah.
01:04:50
jamie peacock
When I run that job, I bring the tools into the machine. When I'm done, they go out of the machine and out of the room so they don't get used for anything else.
01:04:57
Curt
That makes sense.
01:04:58
jamie peacock
Yeah, because I'm a
Production Drawings and Mistakes
01:05:01
jamie peacock
goblin with shit like that. I'll commandeer a tool from another job and then ruin it and go to run the job and it doesn't want to run.
01:05:08
Curt
Yeah, I know I just got to develop a system because I have a drill for production that's 1.75 mils, and now I have a drill for screws that's 1.7 mils. So it's like even looking at, even micing, you're not going to mic at 1.5.
01:05:17
jamie peacock
yeah no
01:05:20
Curt
Well, I guess you could make 1.7, but it's like they're small enough where it's like, I'm going to mix these up. I know I'm going to.
01:05:24
jamie peacock
yeah yeah but that's now putting extra load on other things like if you're thread milling it that's extra load that's going on your treadmill which is going to cause problems down the line yeah tool tags it's the way of the future
01:05:25
Curt
And it's 0.5 mils, not end of the world, but still, it's like there's a reason.
01:05:33
Curt
Exactly, exactly.
01:05:39
Curt
No, totally. Yeah, so I got develop develop a system that I like.
01:05:46
Curt
We'll see. We'll see. You're archaic. You're archaic written down things. Who writes things anymore anyways?
01:05:50
jamie peacock
Yes. Yeah, says the one selling pens. um
01:05:54
Curt
No, totally.
01:05:55
jamie peacock
Yeah. But ah the the tool tag system goes goes a flipping long way. I even had it on the Slowio. Not that I needed it on the Slowio, more that if I had my missus running the machine, the you would take the tag off.
01:06:06
Curt
Yeah.
01:06:08
jamie peacock
put the you would take the tool out, put the tag on, take the next tool, and you would move the tags around so that you knew what tool was what. Because I knew what tool was what, but yeah, operators don't have brains usually.
01:06:17
Curt
No, it makes sense.
01:06:19
Curt
Yeah.
01:06:21
jamie peacock
Or you can't assume that they have brains.
01:06:22
Curt
No, and it's...
01:06:23
jamie peacock
Let me not say my wife doesn't have brains. I might get in trouble for that.
01:06:27
Curt
Well, why make it complicated for yourself? like Even if you do have to remember it, like why remember it?
01:06:29
jamie peacock
Exactly.
01:06:31
Curt
Why why stress yourself out?
01:06:31
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:06:32
Curt
like Remember other dumb stuff. don't Don't remember things you can write down.
01:06:35
jamie peacock
Yeah. I mean, that's why I have laminated drawings for my production stuff that are on a clipboard. When it comes around, like I was running i was setting up today to run PTFE parts, everything that needs to be on that drawing is on the drawing. When it comes trying to trying grab the clipboard, I pull the drawing out, I make a part, I measure it, I comp, and it runs production.
01:06:46
Curt
Yeah.
01:06:51
jamie peacock
I don't need that in my brain. Like, I don't need to try to remember, I ah stuffed up 30 parts today because ah
01:06:52
Curt
Not a problem.
01:06:58
jamie peacock
It's a stupid little job that's going to get welded, so it doesn't actually matter. But yeah, I cut all the material. Cut it to 120. I'm like, okay, cool. Go to set up the job. um Put a lot of extra facing parts because just bandsaw cut the material.
01:07:12
jamie peacock
Face, face, face. Thread. Measure. Oh, cool. It's 17.5. five Good enough. It's going to be 117.5. It's going to be 114 when it's done. Cool. Start running.
01:07:22
jamie peacock
Run for about half an hour. Go to the office. Grab the drawing. Oh, shit. It's 118 long. So I took all that handful of material, put it on the bench, went and cut more material, cut all my material, including my door lock, which was eight millimeter round bar.
01:07:35
jamie peacock
So now it's got eight millimeter aluminum round bar as a door lock. um I can literally cut up my door lock so I could make parts and managed to make 50 out of the 55 that were the right length. Phoned the guy. I'm like, hey, where's this going? He's like, no, it's getting welded. i'm like, cool, they're half a mil short.
01:07:49
jamie peacock
He's like, no, that's fine. No one's going to ever know.
01:07:52
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:53
jamie peacock
But yeah, it was annoying. It's like, it was in my head and it shouldn't have been in my head. I had a drawing.
01:07:57
jamie peacock
I just was too lazy to go fetch it.
01:07:57
Curt
Yep.
01:08:01
Curt
Yeah, man. Well, we're ah nearing the end. What's been in your, what have you been been Googling?
01:08:05
jamie peacock
Yes.
01:08:07
Curt
What's your obsession this week?
01:08:08
jamie peacock
Actually,
01:08:10
Curt
Or unless you have something pressing.
01:08:13
jamie peacock
No, not that pressing.
01:08:15
Curt
Yeah.
01:08:15
jamie peacock
Oh, actually, yes, I sent you a video. Have a look at that quickly for me, please, on Instagram. I'm gonna look at my web browser quickly because I leave all my tabs open now. um
01:08:27
Curt
What is that?
01:08:28
jamie peacock
Oh, I was looking at the Bosch, what do they call them? It's the, gotta wait for it to load. Sorry, guys, slow internet. um Oh, the Bosch NanoBlade.
01:08:43
Curt
What is that?
01:08:43
jamie peacock
It's a little chainsaw.
01:08:46
jamie peacock
So it's literally a chainsaw blade.
01:08:46
Curt
Oh, okay.
01:08:47
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:08:47
jamie peacock
Yeah, yeah.
01:08:48
Curt
Yeah, I've seen that.
01:08:48
jamie peacock
I kind of want one for a robot, but I don't want to spend that much money on buying one for a robot for memes.
01:08:51
Curt
Ha, ha, ha.
01:08:54
jamie peacock
Got to cut someone in half.
01:08:54
Curt
Ha, ha, ha.
01:08:56
jamie peacock
um Yeah, I was looking up Loctart because I needed to know what the clearances were for Loctarting, retaining compounds to retain the pins on the V4 body that I made, sample body that I blew the tolerance on.
01:08:56
Curt
Ha, ha, ha.
01:09:07
jamie peacock
I was looking at mass loaded vinyl for noise cancelling, and I'm trying to find vacuum bags, perforated vacuum bags.
01:09:12
Curt
Yep.
01:09:15
jamie peacock
I'm trying to find a source for those. So bought a vacuum sealer, but it requires the ones with the patterned plastic on the one side.
01:09:20
Curt
Oh, yep.
01:09:20
jamie peacock
So i can actually pull a vacuum. So I'm just trying to find a source for those because I like vacuum bagging parts because it looks really cool when it arrives in a vacuum bag.
01:09:22
Curt
Yep.
01:09:26
Curt
Yeah.
01:09:29
Curt
No, it does. Yeah, that's cool.
01:09:30
jamie peacock
Yeah. Look. Yeah.
01:09:32
Curt
I saw that.
01:09:32
jamie peacock
Did you, ah yeah, you saw the video.
01:09:33
Curt
I saw the video you sent me. That's cool.
01:09:35
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:09:35
Curt
Yeah, a little little brush smother actuating there.
01:09:36
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:09:38
jamie peacock
Yes. And then there's a whole pile shit that goes into that carbon tube. There's three components in the cardboard and the carbon tube.
01:09:42
Curt
Oh, nice.
01:09:44
jamie peacock
And then that motor mount that's surfaced on every blimmin' face.
01:09:48
Curt
Sick. That's cool.
01:09:49
jamie peacock
Yeah. Those were not vacuum bagged because vacuum bagging things is cool.
01:09:53
Curt
That's cool. Yeah.
01:09:54
jamie peacock
Like, yeah, nerd things.
01:09:55
Curt
why are they what Why are they actuating of that? Or does it not have to actuate that hard in used?
01:09:58
jamie peacock
It's a,
VTOL Project and Machining Resources
01:10:00
jamie peacock
it's a VTOL.
01:10:02
jamie peacock
So, yeah, yeah.
01:10:02
Curt
Oh, right.
01:10:02
Curt
You said that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:04
jamie peacock
So it'll actuate up, take off, and then tilt in.
01:10:04
Curt
Gotcha. Gotcha.
01:10:06
jamie peacock
So it it was shaky.
01:10:07
Curt
Gotcha.
01:10:07
jamie peacock
The guy said that the reason shaky is because trying to film and move the servo tester at the same time.
01:10:12
Curt
Nice. OK. That's cool.
01:10:13
jamie peacock
That's, yeah, that's the only reason it was it was shaky.
01:10:13
Curt
Yeah.
01:10:15
jamie peacock
But, yeah, those those should be fun to go into production with because they, yeah, they're going to be, i think they, I remember how many crafts they do a month, but, yeah, it's ah it's a good recurring order if they're going to go ahead with it.
01:10:15
Curt
It looks nice.
01:10:19
Curt
Cool.
01:10:27
jamie peacock
So we shall see.
01:10:27
Curt
That's like an industrial unit or like ah like it's not consumer facing.
01:10:30
jamie peacock
Art.
01:10:31
Curt
It's a.
01:10:32
jamie peacock
I don't actually know.
01:10:34
Curt
Oh, OK, cool.
01:10:34
jamie peacock
ah yeah i don't know. I'll harass Roger and find out. Um, cause that works yeah through him.
01:10:37
Curt
That doesn't really matter, but it's kind of cool.
01:10:40
jamie peacock
He designed the parts and we sat for a while and I told him he was stupid and yeah, the normal, the normal, uh, development process with industrial designers.
01:10:47
Curt
Yeah.
01:10:48
jamie peacock
Yeah. But yeah, it's nice that they actually speak to me before they go ahead with things that we can make sure it is actually manufacturable.
01:10:56
Curt
That's cool. Yeah.
01:10:57
jamie peacock
But yeah, what have you been Googling?
01:10:59
Curt
I got a whole plethora of things. It mainly was all the ah a bunch of tool category stuff, Fusion post out stuff. um But the one thing that is super useful, and if people don't know it, you're living under a rock, but ah Harvey Tools, even if you don't buy their tooling, yeah, I just go on their website and just punch Because they almost have every single tool that is made.
01:11:15
jamie peacock
Ah, yes.
01:11:20
Curt
Like Harvey almost sells it, especially for my land where it's all small tools.
01:11:23
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:11:23
Curt
And they have like feeds and speeds. Because I'm like, I have no idea the feeds and speeds on a 15 thou end mill. Like I... Didn't know exactly where to start. um
01:11:31
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:11:31
Curt
It's all formulas, which is thankfully you kind of carry it through. But yeah, super useful. I use their feeds and speeds all the time as baselines. Yeah, it just works. said Like I said, I programmed all these parts and ran them in titanium and everything came out happy.
01:11:43
Curt
So yeah, it's like a hack.
01:11:44
jamie peacock
Nice.
01:11:44
Curt
If you know you don't know where you're getting off from, just yeah Harvey speeds and feeds.
01:11:46
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:11:48
Curt
Usually pretty good starting points.
01:11:48
jamie peacock
Yeah. We'll put a link in the description for that.
01:11:53
Curt
Yeah, exactly.
01:11:53
jamie peacock
I added a note. Yeah. Like it's super, super useful.
01:11:55
Curt
Nice.
01:11:56
jamie peacock
I know tool parts really good for the, uh, for mild steel, stainless steel and aluminum.
01:11:56
Curt
Oh, it's so amazing.
01:12:01
jamie peacock
They've got presets that are pretty good, but it's all just, it's driven through formulas and the formulas are not complicated.
01:12:07
Curt
Yes.
01:12:08
jamie peacock
Like they really aren't.
01:12:09
Curt
yeah and I used that. I used Pre-Tool. I ran my whole library through Pre-Tool and just treated to everything as stainless because i don't have titanium, obviously.
01:12:14
jamie peacock
Nice.
01:12:17
Curt
But everything was crazy conservative, which is good, I suppose.
01:12:18
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:12:22
Curt
But I'm like, oh, I am nuking all these speeds and feats.
01:12:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:12:25
Curt
But that also might be titanium you can get away with a little bit more than you can stainless.
01:12:29
jamie peacock
Yeah, I think there's stainless aiming at the really really shitty versions of stainless.
01:12:29
Curt
so
01:12:34
jamie peacock
Not, yeah.
01:12:35
Curt
I would assume, yeah.
01:12:36
jamie peacock
Like, titanium's not that hard to machine.
01:12:36
Curt
Yeah, not...
01:12:38
jamie peacock
I've machined it.
01:12:38
Curt
It isn't, no.
01:12:38
jamie peacock
Well, I've done grade two. It's not super difficult to machine.
01:12:43
Curt
Sharp tools and you're good to go.
01:12:43
jamie peacock
Okay.
01:12:44
Curt
Yeah, you can get away with a lot.
01:12:44
jamie peacock
yeah yeah sharp tools is the key thing there like don't come with a second and end mill it ain't gonna go well yeah
01:12:48
Curt
Yep.
01:12:51
Curt
No, yeah, and if any of my tools, like any of my tools touch steel or anything else, it's like, nope, now they are segregated for stainless or something else because, like, titanium needs to be sharp.
01:12:56
jamie peacock
yeah yeah it's gummy as hell um yeah so let's do the the fun bit the call to actions kurt where can people find your your stuff
01:13:02
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:10
Curt
You find my wares at confoundedmachine.com. I'm actually posting more YouTube videos now. So if you there's a media page on my site, you can find me there or just like Google. I think it's Kurt, Kurt Van Filipowski.
01:13:22
Curt
Find me on Kurt Filipowski. One of the two, you can find me on YouTube. Starting to post stuff. Actually, the most recent video is doing quite well on there, which is fun. I like sharing. It's fun shooting videos for nothing more than just the selfish act of doing videos. I enjoy it. So.
01:13:36
jamie peacock
Nice. Yeah. Did you see my, I saw you saw my comments in the thing.
01:13:36
Curt
how about how about you How about yourself?
01:13:38
Curt
Of course. i always see your comments. Yeah.
01:13:42
jamie peacock
Yeah. And then I doc, I was like, cool. There's going to be an awesome topic to cover. And then you covered it in your video.
01:13:49
Curt
ah
01:13:49
jamie peacock
But yeah, I actually wouldn't mind probing a bit about that now.
01:13:50
Curt
yeah
01:13:52
jamie peacock
now But yeah, anyway, ah you can find me at jspeceng.com. um On there, you can find the frame block utility knife. You can find the fancy machinist shirts that we make. And there's also a page for the Anchor Point Zero Point system, which will be coming to market shortly.
01:14:07
jamie peacock
ah There's a form you can sign up to get notifications when there's any new information regarding that and when it is for sale and what the first batch size will be. So we're moving towards that.
01:14:18
jamie peacock
We're just trying to get over a few logistical issues and then we will we'll be releasing that. And yeah, it works well. It's been in my machine for 11 months. um So I would say it's pretty thoroughly tested.
01:14:30
jamie peacock
It's now just getting it into production and over the finish line. But yeah, check that out. And then you can also check out the loanmachinists.com, which is the website for the podcast, where you can find the companion guides of the podcast. where We can hear all the funny words that I'll say.
01:14:43
jamie peacock
um and a bit of description on those as well as a link to the merch line and the patreon for the podcast the patrons get an after show which is 10 to 15 minutes of kurt's and i talking about ah less family friendly things usually so yeah can if you're on patreon i think that's from anyone from the four dollar tier gets the the after show and i think we might start posting q and a's on there as well so check it out
01:15:09
Curt
Yes.
Machine Preferences and Financing Challenges
01:15:11
Curt
And we're, I'm definitely going to give away something on that. So right now there is a 100% chance that the single Patreon is going to get it.
01:15:14
jamie peacock
yeah
01:15:17
Curt
So if if someone else wants to challenge him, hop aboard. And if not, I'm happy to send it to you, my friend. You're, ah you're helping us out and I appreciate it.
01:15:27
jamie peacock
um we ah before we get into what what we're doing today tell me about the machines you were looking at because you went briefly into it in your video on your youtube channel um so you were looking at a dt1
01:15:37
Curt
Yeah.
01:15:41
Curt
Yeah, i was looking at the DC1. Not DT, the DC.
01:15:43
jamie peacock
Oh, DC.
01:15:44
Curt
ah
01:15:44
jamie peacock
Okay, the Chinese.
01:15:45
Curt
Yeah.
01:15:46
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:15:46
Curt
Yeah, they're basically...
01:15:46
jamie peacock
The direct from China one. Yeah.
01:15:49
Curt
Basically, yeah, exactly. um Just because I like the tool changer and i was like, oh, this is perfect. And then everyone's just like, first gen.
01:15:54
jamie peacock
Yeah. You're worse than me. You know you know that that is the reason I have this machine? Because I've always wanted a turret tool changer. Well, it's not the only reason, but they are cool.
01:16:02
Curt
Well, it's so, it's so fast. This stupid screw has like seven tool changes. Like I don't want to wait 10 seconds for a tool change. Like I want a one second tool change.
01:16:09
jamie peacock
Yeah, no. Yeah.
01:16:11
Curt
so Anyways. um But yeah, I looked at the DC one. ah The main reason that pushed me off, like I wanted it because I want the Haas control. interfaces well with robots. There's support locally, but there's a lot of pluses and their financing is untouchable.
01:16:19
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:16:23
Curt
However, their financing didn't work for me because I don't have three years of established business credit.
01:16:23
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:16:27
Curt
So that was basically a non-starter.
01:16:28
jamie peacock
Ooh. Yeah.
01:16:29
Curt
So that was a nail. Like if the if I could have got Haas financing, I probably would have went that way just because no one can touch their financing. Even here in Canada, it's like, it's great rates.
01:16:35
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:16:38
Curt
um But it was $30,000 more um once you option up the spindle from the regular, you know, 10K up to like something decent.
01:16:45
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:16:46
Curt
It's, you know, thousands of, yeah, a few thousand bucks extra for proper things like, you know, high-speed machining and all the dumb stuff they don't add.
01:16:46
jamie peacock
Something reasonable.
01:16:53
jamie peacock
Yeah, that blows my mind.
01:16:53
Curt
And then it was a first-gen product. So i'm like, I'm not buying a first-gen Hoss product. like it just Usually that's where all the bugs are. And then the second-gen is where they kind kind of iron it out. And there was just not enough info on the DC one. so i was like, pass.
01:17:07
Curt
um The other machine I looked at was the Tormach 1500 MX. And I honestly was almost like ready to pull the trigger. That's about the exact same price as the X5, at least shipped to me here.
01:17:17
Curt
Like once all things are considered, they were like plus minus a few thousand.
01:17:18
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:17:21
Curt
The only thing I didn't like about that is I didn't, I mean, I liked that it was made in North America. That's cool. I didn't like that they were using off-brown components throughout. That's probably not an issue.
01:17:31
Curt
Like said, it probably works out just fine. I don't i don't think, you know, if you don't have like high wind rails, it's probably going to be okay.
01:17:33
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:17:39
Curt
But I didn't like that. um I also didn't like that it was about half the weight of the X5, even though the work volume was twice the size. To me, that's just gonna you're just going to get less rigidity without having mass.
01:17:45
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah.
01:17:49
Curt
And I didn't like that the spindle was only 12K. And I heard that it was a bit underpowered being a single-phase machine.
01:17:52
jamie peacock
yeah
01:17:55
Curt
like i'm not pushing I'm not pushing the power limits at all.
01:17:57
jamie peacock
for for all the hogging that you do like rigidity and spindle power are huge issues yeah yeah
01:17:58
Curt
But if I'm spending...
01:18:01
Curt
For my three...
01:18:04
Curt
Yeah, for the 360, the main issue for me, honestly, was just finishes. Like I knew if it was rigid, more rigid, i'm just going to get better finishes, even though I'm not even coming close to the horsepower limits. um So that's what if I'm spending that kind of money, I basically wanted something with the proper control.
01:18:18
Curt
um No shade on Linux CNC. It's a great, I'm a path pilot, same flavor.
01:18:22
jamie peacock
yeah yeah
01:18:23
Curt
I think they're fantastic. I have it on my lathe and my other mill. It's never been an issue, but for the price, I'm like, no, let's go the Siemens control. Let's go the better spindle and a lot more weight. So that's a, and a better tool changer.
01:18:32
jamie peacock
Yeah.
01:18:35
Curt
I hate umbrella tool changers. Like they're just, they're so slow.
01:18:37
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, but it still changes off for poor people.
01:18:38
Curt
Like yeah, chip collectors.
01:18:39
jamie peacock
No, not interested. Yeah.
01:18:41
Curt
No, I'm not. Yeah, exactly.
01:18:42
jamie peacock
You will not find one in my workshop. It's never, ever happening.
01:18:46
Curt
I'm with you, man. I'm with you.
01:18:47
jamie peacock
Yeah, no. What's, um, yeah, considering what's behind you, but we'll see how the year goes.
01:18:53
Curt
Yeah, I mean, they're not cheap, but I mean, so far I'm happy with it.
01:18:54
jamie peacock
Like, well, in South Africa, they are.
01:18:56
Curt
So
01:18:59
jamie peacock
Well, cheapest,
Lathe Maintenance and Production Setup
01:19:00
jamie peacock
cheapest relative.
01:19:01
Curt
yeah, in the machining line, they're cheap.
01:19:01
jamie peacock
Um,
01:19:03
Curt
Yeah,
01:19:03
jamie peacock
Yeah. ah ah Well, getting a quote out of these buffoons um was not trivial. It took me four months to get a quote out of them.
01:19:15
jamie peacock
And that was after I harassed them in person and told them they were stupid for not sending me a quote.
01:19:16
Curt
a lot.
01:19:21
jamie peacock
I eventually got a quote. I'm just quickly looking here. what they Because they they've probably got stock at the moment. um the Where is it?
01:19:32
jamie peacock
Okay, anyway, let's let's focus on the podcast instead of Jamie Googling things. What are you up to today, Kurt?
01:19:38
Curt
Today, i'm going to I'm going to blank out just a few more screws because I have like brand new tools in the lathe and they're kind of the screws are very sensitive to that. So now that everything is dialed for that, I'm going to blank out a bunch of screws so I can throw them in the mill so the mill can finish all my screws for me for this batch. Because now that I now that i'm machined one and I found how nice they are, I want to make i want make all the pens going forward with these screws.
01:20:00
Curt
And then while it's doing that, I'm going to blank out a bunch of parts for the pen bodies so I can keep production going.
01:20:01
jamie peacock
Okay.
01:20:05
Curt
Or otherwise, I'll just sit and play with screws for like weeks and weeks and weeks, and then I'll starve to death. So that's... Yeah,
01:20:10
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, that wouldn't be ideal. Then I've got to find another co-host. I'd prefer if you didn't do that.
01:20:14
Curt
yeah exactly.
01:20:16
jamie peacock
Okay, nice, sweet.
01:20:16
Curt
How about you?
01:20:17
Curt
Your evening's winding down, but how was your day or how's your desert tomorrow?
01:20:19
jamie peacock
ah Yeah. Well, tomorrow... Wait, what's tomorrow? Tomorrow's Tuesday. ah Material didn't arrive today that I was hoping would arrive, so it's probably arriving tomorrow, so I'm going to get Bertha set up for that. As soon as material comes in, the bar loader can run.
01:20:33
jamie peacock
um I've got 100 parts to run on the M code tomorrow. That should take, what, two hours? um And then I'm finishing off a part run. I might actually push that off a day because I've got a customer send in a hot job today. It's a recurring job that comes around every...
01:20:49
jamie peacock
I don't know. We haven't done them in like a year. I think I've done one batch in a year. um It's like 50 components. They need me to run them and take them to powder coat for them. And the powder coat is the same guys who do the anodizing. So I'm like, cool, excuse to drive there.
01:21:02
jamie peacock
um So I might try and push that through tomorrow. it's I mean, 50 components is not going to take, I think it's three or four minutes per part. um I think it's actually a little bit less on the on the LK.
01:21:14
jamie peacock
I used to run it on my router. I used to abuse the hell out of that thing. I used to drop in, it's two millimeter thick aluminum extrusion. Used to drop in with a six millimeter end mill at 12,000 RPM.
01:21:25
jamie peacock
And like, I think it was two millimeter step over and like six meters a minute, just evaporate the material.
01:21:30
Curt
Yeah.
01:21:32
jamie peacock
um I do the same speeds and feeds on the LK and it runs way better because it was a tool changer because it was four tools and doing that on, a manual still change really annoying so yeah i've got i think i still have the fixture i need to look for the fixture tomorrow morning and then i'll run those out quickly get them off to to the powder coaters and then i've got to go visit like a million different freaking people And then, yeah, later in the week, we've got some other stuff. I'm waiting for laser cutting to be done so we can go and fabricate a spindle housing for a spinning lathe, and we can go get that installed and get that off the books because they are harassing me for it.
01:22:07
jamie peacock
ah it was meant to take It was meant to take us like a week, and we're now on week three because –
01:22:13
Curt
As I've been hearing about the spinning lathe for a bit, so...
01:22:16
jamie peacock
Yeah, it makes me not want to do things with other people. Like, that is the problem. Like, it makes me not want to collaborate, but it is what is. um it's not It's been out of my hands. Like, the guy doing the spindle modifications, he had this thing for a week, and then I went, he's like, cool, it's ready for collection. I've got to pick it up. Where's the nut we discussed? Okay, now you'll get it sorted out.
01:22:39
jamie peacock
And then his guy half of his guys were off sick because theyre all the whole workshop was sick. So he was like half staffed. Took him another three days to make me a nut. um And then once we got that back, we could finalize the laser cutting.
01:22:51
jamie peacock
That went off to laser, but now we're waiting. As soon as we get that, then it's... I'm literally going to go in the evening and fabricate this thing together, spray it with a rattle can and go and install it. Because i need ah I need it done. They're harassing me and I don't like being harassed.
01:23:06
Curt
Fair, yeah.
01:23:07
jamie peacock
Yeah, I could...
01:23:08
Curt
Cool.
01:23:09
jamie peacock
Yeah. I just looked up now. The Silex 5 is in stock. It comes standard with the Syntec 22MA controller. um
01:23:18
Curt
Mm-hmm.
01:23:19
jamie peacock
Can be optioned with the LNC 6800. I'm not sure what they have in stock. um They list it here at... One second. I'm going to put this thing into currency conversion mode.
01:23:30
jamie peacock
ah Five, seven, eight. I really need to put buttons on this thing. ah They listed at $31,000. $31,200.
01:23:39
Curt
Mm-hmm. OK. Same deal.
01:23:40
jamie peacock
So yeah yeah, pretty much same price. um
01:23:45
jamie peacock
The thought there is I want to potentially move all my heart product like all my product my production stuff that's recurring, put fixturing in there for that, and it gets run on there, not on the LK.
01:23:53
Curt
Mm-hmm.
01:23:57
jamie peacock
Because the LK has got a lot more travel. It's a much nicer prototyping machine and one-offing machine. And I do a lot of one-offing, and I would like to just have production running like...
01:24:03
Curt
Totally.
01:24:07
jamie peacock
There's stuff standing now because i don't have spindle capacity to do it because I'm busy doing doing one-offs or some stupid low-quantity thing. So yeah, but first, lathe, because Bertha is annoying me.
01:24:22
jamie peacock
It also dawned on me that I probably just need to tighten up the gibs and then it'll be fine. Because I think the last time I tightened the Gibbs was like a year and a half ago. And it was doing the same thing. The drills were nodding and it was drilling oversize.
01:24:22
Curt
no doubt yeah that's an easy fix that works yeah
01:24:35
jamie peacock
Tightened the Gibbs up and it was fine for a year. So probably just need to do bit of maintenance and then it'll be right as rain again. I mean, it has made a good couple of thousand parts over the last year.
01:24:44
Curt
that'd be easy yeah yeah yeah
01:24:47
jamie peacock
Like a good couple thousand parts. So I will give it a tune up and that should solve that problem.
01:24:52
Curt
deserve Deserves a little TLC, for sure.
01:24:55
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, the thing, it cranks. But yeah, anyway, guys, thank you very much for listening. It was another great podcast, hopefully. Please ah give us a like and subscribe on YouTube and give us a rating or a review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
01:25:14
jamie peacock
But yeah, thank you very much and I hope you have a good one.
01:25:18
Curt
Take care, y'all.