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Ep 7: Mary Shelley & Shirley Jackson
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Today we are talking about horror authors! Let us know on twitter if you have requests for future episodes. @sinsisters_
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Introduction to Sinister Sisters Podcast
00:00:00
Speaker
Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the Sinister Sisters Women in Horror podcast. I'm Felicia. And I'm Lauren. And we're best friends. And we talk about horror movies. And that's it. That's really it. And we eat pasta, which is what we did right before we hit record. And I think now it's a tradition. I think it should be because pasta is our favorite thing that exists. In the whole world. In the whole world. Over horror movies. Over horror movies. It goes pasta, horror movies, tiny dogs.
00:00:26
Speaker
Yes, I think that's exactly right. Great, so today we're talking about horror authors, which is exciting. Yes, very exciting. We did reading. We read. And research. Okay, I have to be honest, I listened to an audio book. Oh, so did I. Yes, so did I, because there's nothing better than an audiobook. No. Also, I get very sleepy when I read.
00:00:49
Speaker
Oh. And I'm a lazy person. Well, yes, me too. We should also read. We should also read. We promote reading on this podcast. We do. Stay in school. And read stuff. Read books. Listen to audiobooks. Well, Lauren's going to go first. I am. I'm looking up something right now. Well, the research phase is not quite done, you see. We're still googling right now, but we're going to find it. I just wanted to make sure I knew
00:01:19
Speaker
the version of the audiobook that I listen to. Yes. Okay. We're just trying to make sure that the facts that we give are as true as possible for your benefit. You're welcome listeners. And also everything that we say is nonsense. And everything that we say is nonsense.
00:01:34
Speaker
So who are you talking about
Mary Shelley's Life and Works
00:01:36
Speaker
today? Okay, so I'm talking about Mary Shelley, who I'm... Okay, so she is best known for her gothic novel, Frankenstein. Boom. If you didn't know. So the version that I listened to was an audiobook that Dan Stevens read. He's on Downton Abbey.
00:01:55
Speaker
So a nice British soothing voice. Love it. It was great. Highly recommend this audiobook. But anyway, Mary Shelley was born on August 30th, 1797. We are getting history. So old.
00:02:15
Speaker
So she had a crazy life, so I'm gonna talk about some of her life because it's fascinating. Her mother died less than a month after she was born. But her father helped educate her. He was a political philosopher, so he sort of influenced her to believe his theories.
00:02:34
Speaker
Okay, cool. But he tutored her in a variety of subjects, and they also always had, you know, intellectuals around the house. I actually, so on Wikipedia it says that Aaron Burr, as in Hamilton Aaron Burr, was at her house.
00:02:50
Speaker
So, I know, all of my universe. It's a history podcast. It's a history podcast. And a musical theater podcast. There we go. I know, my life, all of my worlds are- Colliding. Colliding. But anyway, Aaron Burr was there sometimes, maybe only once. At age 15, as an almost grown up teenager, Mary's father described her as
00:03:15
Speaker
Quote, singularly bold, somewhat imperious, and active of mind. Her desire of knowledge is great and her perseverance and everything she undertakes almost invincible. How bad was that? I hope someone says that about me one day. They never will. They never will!
00:03:35
Speaker
That's amazing. That's so I just thought that was like, you know, her dad thought she was a smart girl. Yeah, which I think is important So rewind that was when she was 15. Mm-hmm, but when she was four
00:03:48
Speaker
Her father remarried a neighbor who, a neighbor. A neighbor? A neighbor, just a lady down the street. It was the 1770s. Yeah, who knows? But she didn't have a great relationship with this stepmother later in her life, sadly. So next big thing that happened, in 1814, she began a romance with Percy Shelley, who was one of her father's political followers, and who was already married.
00:04:18
Speaker
Oh my god. How old was she? The drama. Was she young? 17. Wait, what is that? No, no, no, no. I can't do math. You always ask this of me. I'm so sorry. She was 17. 17?! You did that math so fast! I didn't, I guessed! Or maybe you already said it. Who knows? But a married man? Scandal. A married man? Supposedly... This is just a rumor. Okay. That I saw online. I'll take a rumor and ask to share it. But we have to share it. Supposedly he took her virginity in a cemetery.
00:04:44
Speaker
God, the dream. The dream. The dream for all of us, truly. So, with her stepsister, whose name was Claire Clermont,
00:04:55
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sort of a tragic thing. Claire and Percy eloped to Europe together, leaving his pregnant wife behind. That is awful. Terrible. True scandalous life. I know. So when she returned to England after this gallivanting around Europe, she came back to England
00:05:14
Speaker
And now Mary was pregnant with his child. Which needless to say did not look good. Especially in that time. So they were ostracized, financially not doing well. And to boot, their daughter was born prematurely and died. No! Oh, what a bad start. Not a good start. So Percy Shelley's wife committed suicide in 1816.
00:05:43
Speaker
Oh, shit. Yeah, so she was pretty sad about their relationship. It's getting worse and worse. It's really quite tragic, but then Percy and Mary were married following that. Okay. Happy ending for them. His first wife though was only 21 when she drowned herself. She drowned herself? She drowned herself. That has to be hard to do.
00:06:08
Speaker
I think it would be. You must have to really want to die. Is that like you put stones in your pockets kind of thing? Maybe. Oh it's so sad. It's so sad. I'm sad for her. And also in addition to this, remember how I said her step-sister came with them? Just so we can say, Lauren's face looks like I'm so sorry I'm about to tell you this. I'm about to ruin your day. I'm just ruining Felicia's evening. But give it to me. What happened? Also rumored that Claire, her sister, and Percy were also lovers.
00:06:39
Speaker
He seems like he just sort of got around the neighborhood. Oh my god, that's awful. Yeah. But Mary and Percy believed in the principle of free love. Did they? So they were like, we're just doing it with whoever, wherever, whenever.
00:06:58
Speaker
So the next sort of thing in their lives, so Percy and Mary spent a summer with Lord Byron, who was a famous British poet and leader in the romantic movement.
The Creation of Frankenstein
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Yeah, I remember from my school days. Really? I was like, wow, you read a lot of poems? No, I know the name.
00:07:15
Speaker
Maybe I don't. I don't know. You just like the name Lord Byron. Maybe. And then also on this trip with them was John William Polidori, who's an English writer also associated with the romantic movement. There's a lot of writers. But credited by some as the creator of the vampire genre of fantasy fiction.
00:07:37
Speaker
whoa yeah cool so awesome and and her stepsister also came and she was having an affair with lord byron i mean they all were just they were just getting it in wherever they could wherever they could they're all writers they're all you know sexing it up sexing it up um her sister was also
00:07:57
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super well educated and very smart. Yeah. And they were close. I love these like smart ass women having all this sex. Yes. I mean, truly, um, I really, honestly, I could do a whole other episode, I think on her sister. Oh, because she just seems wild. She just seems pretty dramatic. Oh my God. And fierce. And I love it. Uh, she kept going after Lord Byron, even when he was like not interested, like traveled, she traveled to like follow him places. Oh, yeah. 1770 stalker.
00:08:25
Speaker
It's great, it's great. And her sister wanted to be a writer, even though she wasn't very good at it. It's great. So she spent this summer on Lake Geneva, which is on the Alps in between France and Switzerland. I mean, Lauren's done her research. I fucking looked at geography. You looked at a map or something.
00:08:45
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Also, I just realized, are we saying the F-bomb in this podcast? I guess it's already happened. It just happened. It just happened. Do we have to put an explicit? What's that word? explicit content or explicit warning? What's that thing they put on CDs? That's what we are. That's what we are. Okay, so it was a rainy summer.
00:09:07
Speaker
So it meant that they spent a lot of time inside having sex. No, I'm writing. This is where she conceived the idea of Frankenstein. Okay, great. This is where I'm getting to. So she, oh yeah, so they were spending a lot of time inside. Lord Byron ended up proposing that they each write a ghost story. Ooh. I know. But she couldn't think of anything to write for several days.
00:09:33
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And then one evening the conversation turned to talk about life and death. And she thought perhaps a corpse would be reanimated. And then she had this weird waking dream about a human trying to play God. And that's where supposedly she started Frankenstein.
00:09:53
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So she started writing assuming it would be a short story. But her husband encouraged her to write a fully formed novel. Great husband. Except for all the sleeping out. It's also sort of unclear how much he helped with the book. Oh. Yeah.
00:10:13
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some editing or whether he like helped her a lot. Wrote parts of it, yeah. Undetermined. And it was published anonymously in January 1818, but most readers and critics assumed it was her husband who wrote it. Oh no. Because the book was published with his preface and it was dedicated to her dad, but most people thought, you know, because he was like, he admired him as a political hero.
00:10:43
Speaker
So, anyway,
Challenges and Tragedies in Mary Shelley's Life
00:10:45
Speaker
not great. She didn't get the credit, she deserves... Bummer. The Shelly's then moved to Italy because they had no money. They were very sick. Maybe we should move to Italy. Maybe we should. Why are they sick? I don't know. It's just that time. They were just sick because... Rainy summer? I don't really know. Something between a cold and syphilis, who knows? It could be anything. The 1820s or whatever it is now. Yeah, you're right.
00:11:11
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Damn, I'm good. You're so good. Um, they also were kept fearing they would lose custody of their children because they had no money, which also is sort of crazy. Oh my God, that is crazy. But anyway, so they went to Italy and their second and third children died before Mary gave birth to their fourth and only surviving child. Man. I know. Not great. She had three children die. And then she had her one child whose name was Percy Junior, of course.
00:11:41
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But that was also like probably more normal that most children didn't survive. Exactly. I mean, I think, I think to some extent, definitely. Uh, but she definitely didn't recover and was very depressed. And then just to, just to keep adding on in her, in her, uh, trauma in 1822, her husband drowned when his sailing boat sank during a storm. Yeah.
00:12:07
Speaker
Oh my god. Yeah, she really had no one. She was just alone with one baby. Yeah, and I guess her dramatic step-sister. Oh my god, that's horrible. He was only 29 years old when he died. Oh god, so young. So she returned to England, devoted her life to bringing up her son and her career in writing. The last decade of her life she was super sick due to a brain tumor.
00:12:35
Speaker
that killed her. God, this story is sad. It's very sad, very dramatic. This was, so she died in 1851 at the age of 53.
00:12:45
Speaker
which feels like, I mean, it's like young now, but maybe average back then? Yeah, that's what I, I don't think it was so, so bad. It's better than 29. Yeah, definitely better than 29. But her kid did survive? Yeah. Okay, that's good. So her line is alive somewhere. I guess, I think. This I did not do research on. We don't need to know. What if I told you right now that I was descended from Mary Shelley? And that's what this whole podcast is about. I'm not.
00:13:14
Speaker
at least that I know of. I mean and we don't know anything. We don't know anything. I mean so obviously Frankenstein you know was her her biggest sort of thing and it had a huge effect on the horror genre. Yeah. I mean I wish I did more research on like what was before
00:13:32
Speaker
and what was after. No, but you even know that so much horror content is based off of Frankenstein. Yeah. And that it's still a thing that we know. Yeah, it's like one of the great monsters, like Frankenstein, Dracula.
00:13:51
Speaker
That's it. That's all she's got. And that's it. And generic ghosts, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So I just, oh, just as I listened to the audiobook, it's like, you know, the language is so beautiful. It's very detailed. I watched this, I watched a college professor give this talk on it. Oh my god, I can't wait. Which was super cool. But she,
00:14:18
Speaker
My favorite is that she starts off saying that this novel is about what happens when a man tries to have a baby without a woman. Oh my god. It's just a monster. It's just a monster. Wow, that's so cool. I also have never thought about it that way. Right? Of like it being a man trying to like birth. Like a bone. Yeah, yeah. Without a woman. Yeah. I have never thought of that before.
00:14:44
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And just, you know, thinking about it from the standpoint of like Mary Shelley also had her own fears about giving birth. Yeah. And God, you know, that she only had one child reach adulthood. Yeah. And probably wanting those kids to still be alive. And like, what would I do if I could bring them back? Yes. And then another part of the book that the professor was talking about too, is like the idea of like,
00:15:07
Speaker
birthing your child and not loving your child, which as soon as the monster is created, he's disgusted by the sight of it. And we're back to the Babadook, I just realized. Oh my god, yeah. That's exactly right, yeah. Yeah. Wow. Maybe this is a theme in horror movies. But you don't fall in love with the thing you created. Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:27
Speaker
So the the first movie version of Frankenstein came out in 1910 and it was I know I know a long time ago and that's it's not the famous one I mean it it was a 12-minute short uh-huh yeah so then you know then there's the the famous 1931 one
00:15:46
Speaker
The one. Yeah. 1931 one with Boris Karloff. Yeah. And then I still haven't seen it, but there's the Kenneth Branagh and Robert De Niro remake, which was in 1994. Oh wait, the funny one? No. No. Are you talking about a young Frank? Yes!
00:16:07
Speaker
Cut this out. I'm leaving it in. I want the world to know that I am so dumb. No, the Kenneth Browner one is Helena Bonham Carter.
00:16:18
Speaker
And Robert De Niro is a monster. Nice. Okay, well we should watch it. We can't even watch it. Yeah, Victor. Nice and 94. One of my favorite ears. Yeah. I love the 90s movies. Yeah. Well, we'll have to go back and watch it. I mean, also I guess Young Frankenstein. We should talk about it. Yeah, we should watch it. So good. But then I just found out, this is sort of my last tidbit. Yeah, bring it. Is that there was a movie called Mary Shelley about her life. Oh.
00:16:45
Speaker
that came out in 2017 and starred Elle Fanning. So it is so cute. So beautiful. So sweet. I don't know in real life, but you know. That's what she seems like. She seems sweet. I wonder actually, I feel like Mary Shelley didn't really look like Elle Fanning, but I guess they don't care. I mean, I don't know what she looks like. I assume she's like a very smart looking brunette lady. I'm finding it. I'm finding it. I bet you she's a brunette. Yeah, I think she is. I don't. But how can you tell in the photos from the 18 something's? Oh, you can tell.
00:17:16
Speaker
Everyone look up a picture of Mary Shelley. So you can look with us. Just Google search. She's actually is like a lot of skin. It is a lot of skin, but you know, she was having a lot of sections. She had to be quickly accessible. Yeah. It looks like she was. Um, but she is a brunette just so everyone knows. So, you know, I was right. Yeah.
00:17:35
Speaker
That's it. That's Mary Shelley. That's great. You did such a good job. It was so well-formed. It was like I went through a whole story. Thank you. Mine will never be like that. Yes, it will. Mine was also just history. Yeah, it was good history.
Introduction to Shirley Jackson
00:17:51
Speaker
Okay, so today I'm talking about Shirley Jackson.
00:17:54
Speaker
Hey! So, she's had another surge of new popularity because of the Netflix show, Haunting of Hill House, which is so good, please go watch it. But yeah, let's talk a little about her. I didn't know really anything about her, about her life, and unfortunately it's a little sad, but maybe not as sad as Mary Shelley's life now that I'm here yet.
00:18:18
Speaker
So she was born on December 14th, 1916 in San Francisco, California. And she, I just want to say also that I did get a lot of information from a podcast I listened to with Ruth Franklin who wrote her like biography and it's called A Rather Haunted Life, which is like the best title ever. That's also weirdly the title of our memoirs that we're writing. Yes, I am only rather haunted.
00:18:47
Speaker
thankfully not excessively haunted. But okay, so she was sort of the black sheep of her family, classic artist. Her mom was like a socialite and sort of wanted her daughter to like fit this very, you know, that kind of look and lifestyle and the daughter was like not that. So she had like a rough, they had like a rough mother-daughter relationship, but it's okay because she found love.
00:19:16
Speaker
that goes downhill. God.
Shirley Jackson's Personal Life and Literary Success
00:19:21
Speaker
Because she found Jesus Christ. I'm just kidding. She probably didn't find Jesus Christ.
00:19:30
Speaker
She met this guy, his name was Stanley, and he was a book critic, and she was a writer. And it just seems so perfect, right? And so they get married, and she, so first of all, he's like a total asshole. I'll tell you the ways in which he's an asshole. One, he is also like a professor somewhere, and he, no, no.
00:19:55
Speaker
And he cheats on Shirley with his students, classic. Students. I know it, classic. And he also handled all their finances and all of the money even though Shirley Jackson made way more money than he did. But she didn't get to touch the money, which is just rude. And there's a little bit of story of how the resentment I think built up between them.
00:20:20
Speaker
So he basically was working on this book, so he was a critic and he was writing a book about all the different book critics at the time and all their styles in order to create the perfect way to critique a book.
00:20:35
Speaker
Okay. Which sounds semi-interesting, but not that interesting. And so he basically throughout the book talks shit about all the critics because he doesn't like any of them. Right. And so they all get the book, a bad review, because they're the people that write the reviews. Oh my gosh. And so this book comes out a couple of weeks before Bop It Above, Shirley Jackson's essay or like short story called The Lottery comes out in The New Yorker. Wow. And it's a huge success.
00:21:02
Speaker
Of course. Of course. So she's got this huge success. She's making all this money now. Also, like, writers were paid really differently back then. Like, well... So, like...
00:21:11
Speaker
she could write something and get like, I can't remember what it was, like it was for one of her books, like one of her advances for a book, like she bought a car. Do you know what I mean? Which is just like not the case anymore, unfortunately. But, so she was making good money and he got a bad review on his life's work. Oh my gosh. So, not good. But, so I reread the lottery. Cause I, I didn't know I had read it, but I started reading it. I was like, I know this story. And I think I read it
00:21:37
Speaker
Some time in high school. Yeah. And it's the story of this like community that they come together like I guess once a year for this event and they all like each family has one card for each family is in a box and whoever gets the dot is stoned to death. Well, yeah.
00:21:58
Speaker
So that's crazy. And then it's even like a thing where like the mom that ended up being stoned to death, like they give pebbles to like her little like toddler child and we're like, okay, here's your pebbles. Like you're going to throw them at your mom and kill her. Yeah. So pretty dark.
00:22:16
Speaker
And so people didn't know what to make of it, because they were like, this woman is writing this really messed up stuff. It's amazing, but it's so disturbing. And she also wrote it at a time where she had kids. And she apparently was like, she brought one kid home from school and wrote the whole thing before the other kid got home from school. She just was like, blah, blah, our whole society, oh my god. I just wrote it all in one sitting. But I think it's cool.
00:22:43
Speaker
And then, so the books that I read in preparation for this podcast were- I can't believe you read
Shirley Jackson's Influence and Themes
00:22:51
Speaker
more than one. I read two. Well they, you know, an audio podcast. Yeah. Oh yeah. But the first one was Hanseke Hill House. Yes.
00:22:58
Speaker
I'd already seen the show and I wanted to know, I'd heard from everyone that was very different. The book was very different from the show. And so I wanted to know what that was. And then I also read, We Have Always Lived in the Castle, which is the last book she wrote before she died. So, Haunting and Hill House came out in 1959.
00:23:19
Speaker
And first of all, it's awesome. It's so good. I'm very different. I'm very different. It's like totally different people, but some of the same names. Interesting. What's the same as the house? OK. So she has houses and a lot of her work. She came from a family of architects, so houses were really interesting to her. And she always had this idea that a house
00:23:44
Speaker
is alive and is a character in the books. And so houses have a personality, they have a heart, they have somewhere that's their stomach. Gosh, it's like Marie Kondo.
00:23:56
Speaker
Oh, yes! Wow, that was such a hashtag trends moment. Our podcast will not be timeless. It will not, but I love her, Gondo. Yeah, so she's really interested in houses, which I think is cool, and she's also interested in
00:24:17
Speaker
uh... what's the word for that it's like not necessarily mental illnesses but just like a lot of her a lot of the women in her books uh... have some sort of psychosis of some sorts and uh... they're pretty much all the books are pretty much female driven uh... and in that podcast interview I listened to with uh... Ruth Franklin I think he asked her like do you think Shirley Jackson would have considered herself a feminist and she was like
00:24:47
Speaker
Actually, no, because that wasn't really a thing at the time that she would have wanted to... Yeah, it wasn't really something that was really talked about, or a word that was normalized at that time, but she did write female characters going through some serious shit, which is feminist in its own way.
00:25:10
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. So, Haunting of Hell House is the main character, his name is Eleanor, and it's basically like this house is haunted, that's established. The house is somehow haunted, weird things happen there. And this man brings all these people that have some sort of openness, some sort of psychic ability or something, or he feels they have this sort of
00:25:36
Speaker
they would be able to see what's going on in the house. And he brings them all there. And it's a really isolated house. And they're going to stay there for some period of time and take note of what happens, basically. And so the main character we're following, Eleanor, is the most affected by the house, for sure. And there is just some really cool imagery in it that really related to
00:26:04
Speaker
to Shirley's life, for example, there's a great scene in the book where she's, Eleanor's lying in bed in nighttime. In nighttime. In nighttime. And she feels like someone's holding her hand. And she feels someone holding her hand, and then she sort of realizes where she is, and she realizes she's in Hill House, and then she looks, and no one's there, which is just a perfect picture of her marriage.
00:26:33
Speaker
of just like being with this man that's like actually not there. And sad. It's sad, it's sad. And yeah, the thing that was also, and this was also present, and we have always lived in the castle, which is a book about this family where almost all the family was poisoned with arsenic, except for three members of the family.
00:26:59
Speaker
So one, it was there was poison in the sugar bowl. It was like arsenic in the sugar. And one person lived because she was sent to bed without dinner. One lived because she hates berries. And this like really old man lived because it just somehow didn't
00:27:18
Speaker
effective effective or like he didn't have enough of it or something like that but he lived oh my god yeah very intense how graphic could they be able to show that what is that like Billy oh but it but that bug is really interesting because it's like these sort of two women
00:27:35
Speaker
that are sort of in a way going mad together in this house. And the woman in it has this thing that I'm gonna find the name of. I tried to remember. Is it agoraphobia?
00:27:50
Speaker
Yeah. Is that what I said earlier? Yes. Okay. Agoraphobia, which is basically having heightened anxiety and like public places or crowds or wide spaces. Like it typically combines people to their homes. Like they want to stand side because that's where they feel safe. And that's what we have always lived in the castle is all about. And Shirley Jackson had agoraphobia. Um, yeah, so she has a husband that's cheating on her. She's scared to leave her house. She's got a lot going on. She's got more going on that I'll get to in a second. Um,
00:28:21
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but it's just really interesting because she writes these really amazing female characters that are basically going through exactly what she's going through in her life but just like through metaphor and the books are so they're like poetic but they're so dark and like the
00:28:38
Speaker
the themes throughout the book are so dark and so not what you would expect a woman to be writing in the fifties and sixties.
Shirley Jackson's Legacy in Horror
00:28:47
Speaker
And so a lot of people didn't know what to do with her work. They were just like, this is like so weird. But, and she did make good money while she was alive, but even after she died, like Stephen King has said that she's one of the most important horror writers that's ever lived. Like people still give her credit now, which I think is like super awesome.
00:29:08
Speaker
but she had a lot of health problems so she was extremely overweight and she was a heavy smoker and drinker and she had a lot of like chronic pain and she also had this crazy anxiety and agoraphobia and so she was on like medication for that and basically she ended up dying of like cardiac problems at 48
00:29:33
Speaker
Which is young right younger than Mary Shelley younger than Mary Shelley, and this is you know a million years later. Yeah um
00:29:41
Speaker
So that was in 19, she died in 1965 and she was working on a bunch of stuff when she died. Um, so some of it has like been released, like her husband who was still married to her at the time. Um, I'm like, I would have left his ass, but you know, not me. Um, but he did like edit together, come along with me, which was her unfinished last novel. And he sort of edited together and what it was released a few years after her death. Um,
00:30:11
Speaker
And also, there's a collection of short stories that was released. And one of them is called Louisa, Please Come Home, which is another famous piece. And so I was trying to think about what she brought to the horror genre, what hadn't been done before. And something I think that's really cool in both of the books that I read is that
00:30:35
Speaker
The evil thing is not a person, it's a place. So in both Haunting of Hill House and We Always Lived in the Castle, it's like... Haunting of Hill House is like this house is trying to devour these people, right? And then in We Always Lived in the Castle, it's like the house is what's driving these women mad. So I think that was really cool.
00:30:59
Speaker
And that sort of goes along with her agoraphobia, staying in the house all the time. Yeah. There's definitely a lot about the feeling of being safe is really, really important. And the characters are always striving to feel safe, which is interesting.
00:31:17
Speaker
But yeah, so unfortunately she died young but she has a lot of books that were published and most of them are like mystery or horror related. There was also another like the movie that came out which I think is just called
00:31:31
Speaker
Hill House or Haunting or something like that. But it's the first, excuse me, Haunting of Hill House movie. And then now, of course, we have the show. I think there is a movie of we've always lived in the castle that came out like last year, but hasn't been like widely released yet. So there's a lot more Shirley Jackson actually coming up, which is exciting that she's still being celebrated as a writer.
00:31:53
Speaker
because she was one of the early female badasses, right? The spooky stuff in her house. I just wish she hadn't had such a sad, because when you read the books, you sort of do feel the sadness and you feel the loneliness that a lot of the characters are experiencing. And it's like, when you know this stuff about her life, you're like, she's just writing about herself. And that's kind of hard.
00:32:19
Speaker
Wow. I feel so educated. Oh, me too. I feel like you educated me. Maybe we just know so little about authors. Maybe, maybe. Um, but I really, really liked her. I would like to do more horror authors, um, because this was like a cool project because it was very different than like looking up a director's work or an actor's work. It's like looking at someone's like storytelling throughout years is like really cool.
00:32:43
Speaker
Yes, for sure. And yeah, I guess that's it. That's it. So have some sweet, sweet nightmares. Bye. Bye.