Is empathy in leadership overrated? Is it possible to lead gracefully in the face of annihilation? Is there anything that clergy can learn from stand up comedians?

Sarah Drummond, founding dean of Andover Newton Theological Seminary at Yale, led a campus relocation from Massachusetts to Connecticut, then led the comprehensive redesign of the seminary coursework, then led the school through COVID.

Dean Sarah gets real about how hard it was to foster community, protect her staff and students, and keep campus stakeholders engaged — from behind a web conference screen, then from behind a mask six feet away.

And, a frank talk about the future of Christian churches in the American spiritual landscape.

With lots of laughter and chat about stand up comedy along the way.

Content Warning: impacts of COVID, Christian hegemony, explicit language, white supremacy and medical racism, depression

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