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DLC 22. Donkey Kong Bananza Spoilercast and Review Discussion Ft. James Soler! | Games Over Plastic
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Sean is once again joined by the great James Soler for another Nintendo centric discussion! This time they break down the review, discussion and spoiler cast for Donkey Kong Bananza. What did they think?
Video version at http://www.youtube.com/@gamesoverplastic
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Introduction and Super Mario World Correction
00:00:30
Speaker
Good day, sweet world, and welcome to a very special episode of Games Over Plastic, another DLC. And I'm joined for the third time um my favorite Nintendo buddy, James Soler.
00:00:45
Speaker
James, how are you doing? I'm doing well. Sean, thank you so much for having me back. um After last time I played, I said that I'd never played Super Mario World. um I thought that you were going to kick me off the show and never have me back.
00:00:58
Speaker
Well, you wrote that wrong and you played it I did. I actually have played it since the last time we were together. um And i i decided that we put it in the exact right spot on the tier list, right in the S tier. so Yeah, because it's an immaculate game, one of the best games. But we already talked about the greatness that is Super Mario World.
00:01:21
Speaker
And now you know what it is. Today... We're going to be talking about ah very special brand new game that came out almost about a month ago
Donkey Kong Bonanza: A New Favorite
00:01:33
Speaker
now. Just about a month ago. It's little while.
00:01:36
Speaker
Yeah. And that is Donkey Kong Bonanza. The, I would say, the tentpole title of the Switch 2 so far, I would say. I think it's over Mario Kart. Yeah. Oh, I've liked it a lot more than Mario Kart.
00:01:48
Speaker
Yeah, me too. Definitely. But I'm not huge Mario Kart No, neither am I. but nine i still i i had I had fun with Mario Kart, but... Yeah. i yeah know what i know' no lander star no No slander towards Mario Kart, but we're here. going to go in a full deep dive spoiler discussion on Donkey Kong Bonanza. So if you have not played the
Spoiler Alert: Donkey Kong Bonanza's Story Depth
00:02:10
Speaker
game if you're not completed it or you really don't care, um yeah you can listen because we are going to spoil some stuff because...
00:02:17
Speaker
For a Nintendo platformer, I was shocked at how deep this ah this story actually was. not saying it's like, you know, we're not playing Red Dead Redemption here. Right. um Yeah.
00:02:28
Speaker
I do think, though, that even if somebody did listen to this beforehand, they could still probably play the game and have a really great time with it. Just because, like so many Nintendo games, um so much of the game is um more of, like, experience and, like, gameplay focused as opposed to being, like, story beats.
00:02:46
Speaker
Yeah. but you You can't really spoil... You can't really spoil gameplay the same way that you would spoil a story. Yeah, I know. It's like,
James' Donkey Kong Journey
00:02:55
Speaker
spoiler alert, you know, Vader's Luke's father. Uh-oh.
00:03:01
Speaker
All right. So before we get into the actual Donkey Kong Bonanza, I want to know our little... We're going to over a little history with this the Kong man himself, Donkey Kong. So, James, to let you take over.
00:03:12
Speaker
What is your history with Donkey Kong? Well... Um, i actually haven't, I haven't played a lot of Donkey Kong. I did not own, um, DK64 as a kid.
00:03:26
Speaker
Um, I know that I played it at some point. I think I might've like rented it from like a blockbuster or something at one point. Um... But i didn't I never owned it. I never had a Super Nintendo.
00:03:38
Speaker
guess I should have started there. I never owned a Super Nintendo. Oh, we know that. I think some of us know that. So i never I had never played any of the Donkey Kong Country games until um actually probably like or ah maybe like last year.
00:03:55
Speaker
i played the first Donkey Kong Country on Nintendo Switch Online. um And then I never played Tropical Freeze or...
00:04:06
Speaker
or Donkey Kong Country Returns. and But the reason that I never played those was because I felt like I should play the classic SNES games first. And so I wanted to like play those and then play the other ones so that I could like kind of like work my way up to it.
00:04:23
Speaker
um Those are still kind of on my radar, but... my Most of my experience with Donkey Kong before Donkey Kong Bonanza would have been from Super Smash
Donkey Kong's Legacy in Nintendo Games
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Speaker
Bros. Okay.
00:04:36
Speaker
All right. all right. right So you're missing out with Tropical Freeze because that's like one of the best 2D platformers of all time. Tropical Freeze is freaking amazing. Okay. So similar to you, i was pretty late to the Donkey Kong game. Okay.
00:04:50
Speaker
My first Donkey Kong game was actually Mario vs. Donkey Kong on the GBA. Oh, I actually i forgot about that one. I didn't play it. Which is kind of more of Mario game.
00:05:01
Speaker
It's kind of more of Mario game. but But I played that one on Switch, and I had fun with it. Yeah, I had fun with it, too. I've played every Mario vs. Donkey Kong game, including, like, they released, like, DSi-only games. where I was really into Mario vs. Donkey Kong.
00:05:13
Speaker
ah It was weird. But that was my only history of Donkey Kong, until Tropical Freeze came out Wii U. Bought Tropical Freeze. Freaking loved it. And I'm like, you know what? I got to go back and play the old Donkey Kong Country games, which is, I don't know why I didn't play them because as ah you know, my dad had the Super Nintendo.
00:05:31
Speaker
We owned all three Donkey Kong Country games. I just never played them. I think they're hard. They yeah are. I mean, well, it's my tropical freeze, buddy. ah Not really forgiving.
00:05:43
Speaker
ah Really fun game, though. I went back and played the original Donkey Kong Country games. And then I went and played like the original Donkey Kong, which I'm not really a fan of. Like the the arcade game?
00:05:55
Speaker
Yeah, Jumpman. like I do not like it. Okay. I've been told to go play Donkey Kong 94 because that's kind of like a credit. That's like the the precursor to Mario vs. Donkey Kong, supposedly.
00:06:06
Speaker
Like a G-boy game. That's what I've heard. So I don't know. I'm going to maybe try that out because it is on NSO. But yeah, so then I replayed. I ended up playing the three country games. This is back in 2014 after I played Tropical Freeze. Okay.
00:06:18
Speaker
And I really did like them. um But yeah, before that, my only exposure was really Smash Bros., Mario Party, Mario Kart. um Is Donkey Kong Mario Party?
Platformer Showdown: Donkey Kong 64 vs Banjo
00:06:30
Speaker
Yeah, you didn't know that? Hold on. I can't. I love. um I'm not a huge Mario Party fan. I played a ton of Mario Party 4 and 5 on Game Boy. I don't remember him being in there at all. I remember. He's a playable character in 4. He has his own space in 5.
00:06:46
Speaker
Come on, dude. I don't remember him being in there. Come on. He's not. He's not one of my go-to characters. Yeah, no. I'm a tourist, and I only play as Mario. Oh, my God. i speaking i've been playing a lot of I've been playing a lot of Mario Party Jamboree.
00:06:59
Speaker
so yeah um it's super fun but again not here to about that switch version just came out right yeah switch 2 version came out yeah the base game is still better but like yeah yeah um what i remember donkey kong is in mario party one like they have like this you know how like like in each corner they have like the player and like they they're like their face is like their icon donkey kong had a really mean looking face i remember that from party one ah They changed it for they changed it for the future games. But um yeah, that was like my only exposure to it. And um I remember like going over a friend's house while like a family friend's house. They were playing Donkey Kong 64.
00:07:37
Speaker
And they're like, oh, you guys want to borrow it? I'm like, sure. And I didn't have an expansion pack for we didn't have an expansion pack for N64. So we went home and put it in the 64 and it didn't work. And we're like, what the heck? Why doesn't it work?
00:07:49
Speaker
We didn't get the expansion back until we got Majora's Mask. Yeah, which was funny. So yeah, that was kind of like my only exposure Donkey Kong. But then, um you know, they announced... I did play dot i did eventually play DK64 couple years ago.
00:08:03
Speaker
um Some of my friends were doing like a um ah platformer a month, like a 3D platformer a month yeah book club kind of. And like they did Donkey Kong 64 and I went in expecting to hate it and i actually really liked it.
00:08:16
Speaker
okay it seems like people are kind of torn on donkey kong 64 that some people say that it's everybody seems to either um like really like it or say that it's terrible so i'm gonna say yeah i was in that i was going into that mindset i think it's better than banjo okay and same yeah i played banjo for the first time in that oh it would have been it would was that rare Yeah, it's rare. It was rare. okay Yeah. um So I liked it, but it's very different than this game.
00:08:47
Speaker
Very, very different. So
First Impressions of Donkey Kong Bonanza
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Speaker
now that we kind of know our little history with Donkey Kong, why don't we actually get into Bonanza here? um I don't know about you, but I avoided basically all the pre-trailers for Bonanza. So I went in like knowing absolutely nothing.
00:09:04
Speaker
Like, I didn't even know about, like, you know the Kong transformations? I didn't know i didn't even know you could do any of that stuff. I had no i only knew about them because on one of the podcasts, I had heard somebody say that you could, like, you, you like, go super sane or you have, like, different super sane modes. And I was like, all right.
00:09:24
Speaker
Okay. And so that was all that I knew. I didn't know like what the animals were or what the abilities were. um i knew that Pauline was in the game and that she was a child because I saw people melting down over that online for some reason.
00:09:37
Speaker
i did know that too. Yeah. um But I didn't watch the that event that they had where they did like ah that Donkey Kong direct. I think that's what it was. Yeah. um I had intended on watching it and then I ended up having to work.
00:09:51
Speaker
Um, and I ended up just never going back and watching it, but it's like, I, I didn't really need to watch it because I was going to buy it. I'm going to buy first party Nintendo games either way. That's what I mean. Same here.
00:10:02
Speaker
So yeah, like I didn't know, but so like when I got to like the transformation, the bonanza transformations, i was like, Oh, this is pretty cool. And I was like, honestly surprised at each one. It is pretty cool. How like each animal you transform into, it's kind of like a throwback to the donkey on country animals.
00:10:17
Speaker
Um,
Favorite Transformations and Strategies
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Speaker
other than the, um, I mean, the zebra kind of came out it the zebra kind of replaced the rhino, kind of. Okay, um yes. Which would have been cooler. um I do have to ask you, which which of the Bonanza transformations, which one was your favorite?
00:10:36
Speaker
Probably the elephant. Yes, same here. And you know what you know what's funny about the elephant? When I first got it, I'm like, this is going to be awful. I don't want to run around as an elephant. And then I started using it and realizing going to suck everything up, suck up all the gold.
00:10:51
Speaker
Realizing that you could use it in um in in like boss battles and combat to quickly like suck up stuff and then quickly just be able to throw stuff one after another. Yeah. um ended up being super beneficial. And then at the, kind of in the end game, when I was um trying to clear a lot of terrain at one time to be able to find, um I had, I bought one, a piece of clothing that was the tie that would make, Oh, I wore that. I wore that.
00:11:17
Speaker
Okay. Yep. I bought it like at the very beginning of the game and I kept it on the entire time. And it really helped when I was trying to clean up some of the shell, or the the fossils and the bananas and stuff, um because you would find the maps in there.
00:11:30
Speaker
And so having the, but the, the elephant was super helpful for that because you could just kind of just go suck up as much as you can. Yeah. yeah Get the, get the chest and then get those maps. Yeah.
00:11:44
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, I like the, i actually, you know what? I liked all of them. I pretty much use all of them equally, except now I've, I've heard that. Yes. The snake. Thank you.
00:11:55
Speaker
Thank you. The snake snake was not my favorite. The only time i did utilize the snake, um, a couple of times. So, you know, in the, at the end game, when you have to pay all the money to like open, like, like in the forbidden layer, it's like, Oh, 999. like 9,999 gold.
00:12:12
Speaker
i do you have all the gold that you needed when you got there? time, no. No, so what I ended up doing was I used the snake, I did the jump thing, and then I switched into the ostrich and flew across.
00:12:24
Speaker
And I made it. And worked. And then I'm like, you know what? I don't have to pay for it. And I got every single banana and fossil in that area without paying except... For the cranky Kong one in that area. Because he's so high up.
00:12:38
Speaker
And I tried for a good. I tried for about a good 30 minutes. Trying to figure out how I can get this working. And then I had to go. You know what I got to actually pay the gold. And then I found out the farming method. Where you just go to the racing zone. And just suck up like all. I didn't know that. Yeah.
00:12:51
Speaker
Yeah, it's like really easy. so i had enough When I got there, I had enough gold to pay for all of them except for the very last one. And I was probably like 4,000 or 5,000 gold short.
00:13:04
Speaker
And I was like, oh, whatever. I didn't get all of the um i didn't get all of the bananas in... world like four or five or whatever and so i went back to that world and kind of got bananas but while i was there i was just getting all the gold and everything i could see and then when i realized i had enough i just went back and did it but yeah no i thought they did a good job with um i mean that that kind of at the end game it'll kind of like makes you like oh this is what i actually have to spend my money on right like i actually have to spend my money Um, I refuse to look anything up. So I did not look up any, um, anything online. Like I didn't look up a location for banana or fossil. I did everything organically.
00:13:43
Speaker
At first I was, I was refusing to buy any, um, maps like banana maps, banana maps. I eventually did. long did that last? It lasted like two layers.
00:13:56
Speaker
Yeah. And then i was like, all right. um How I played it, how I played it personally was I 100%ed each layer and then I moved on. but okay i think i really Which kind of got annoying because ah later, I can't remember if it's like layer nine. It's right before you go to like the... um like the the dancing disco layer whatever, where you lose Pauline.
00:14:14
Speaker
Yeah. Um, you can't, like, the second you get Pauline back, they automatically put you pull you into the next layer. Right. And i I was like, no, I still have bananas left! I gotta to find them!
00:14:25
Speaker
And I was like, no! Which is fine. So i try I started out saying
Villains and Boss Battles: King K. Rool's Surprise
00:14:30
Speaker
that I was going to do the same thing. um I was going to try to get all of them in that first area before going on to that second area.
00:14:36
Speaker
And I didn't end up doing that because I got to a point where I was like, I can't find any more things here. I'm just going to keep going. um And then I went to the second layer. And so I kept kind of pushing forward. And then I got to a point eventually where I was kind of tired of like...
00:14:49
Speaker
going through like the main objectives and stuff and I was like I just feel like listen to some music or something and like just you know pop some headphones in and um go back to some of those early layers so I think I never did get all of the bananas but yeah I know I know I've had all this time um and I instead I've been playing Super Mario World and and hey I'll give you a pass there zero mission um
00:15:19
Speaker
um I did 103. the 103%. that means I got... 103%? Yeah, so I got all... So to get you have to get all the bananas and fossils. hundred and three get all the records which oh screw the record really it's really easy to get all it no it's really easy to get all the records because there's a pop there's a pauline outfit you get right near it's like at the end of the game that it makes the records spawn more like like okay more frequently and literally you go into like a one of the battle arenas like the end game battle did you do the post game stuff some of it
00:15:56
Speaker
Okay, so one of the post-games... We can talk about that. i've I kind of ruined the post-game for myself, and we can talk about that here in a minute, too. um One of the post-game sections is like a giant battle arena.
00:16:08
Speaker
It's of the giant battle arenas. You go in there, you can literally... You'll get you'll leave... 10 minutes, you'll have every single record. Oh. Huh. Yeah. and They spawn very quickly. Um... But yeah, before we get to the post game, though, let's actually talk about the actual game. What do you think of like, what do you think of how it started? It was so weird how it it started. Like you're in like it you're mining for bananas. This is canonically speaking. It takes place after Donkey Kong Country. We do know that it takes place so post Donkey Kong Country World because we have like, you know, Diddy and Dixie and Cranky. No Lanky. no None of those guys, though.
00:16:41
Speaker
Those are from Right. um But we get the Void Company, which is yeah three new Kongs, which is really interesting. Right. What did you think of the Void Company here? What did you think of those three guys?
00:16:55
Speaker
I thought they were strange. Two guys, girl. I mean, they they had that that, you know, typical, like, Nintendo platformer villain essence to them, where it's like, they're not, like, trying to, like, kill everybody in the world everything, but, like, still what they're trying to do is, like, kind of bad.
00:17:16
Speaker
so like didn't seem they didn't seem too terrible to me but um i thought they were cool i thought it was fun to see some new kongs after all this time because when was the last time that we got new kongs would it have been tropical freeze no if there were even any new ones in there maybe maybe baby donkey kong from mario and luigi dream team maybe like baby donkey no partners in time maybe baby donkey kong might be the newest one Alright.
00:17:46
Speaker
yeah So it's been a little while. Yeah, i liked I liked the whole idea. like Poppy Kong reminded me of Dixie. not okay No, not Dixie. trickxie Trixie.
00:17:57
Speaker
She's from DK64. She's not in Donkey Kong Country. She's Trixie Kong. She's like Donkey Kong's weird cousin. I don't even know. She's weird. ah She's in Mario Baseball, though. I do know that. um Grumpy Kong was like a giant... I thought Grumpy Kong was like the east one of the easiest boss fights.
00:18:17
Speaker
you fought him twice right yeah you fought him twice I thought he was so easy the second time you fight him I thought it was pretty difficult okay um if I'm thinking of the right battle the I think it's one where you have to use the elephant yeah you have to use the elephant um and there was something I don't remember exactly what my issue was but it was like let me let me see if i wrote let me see if I wrote anything down i was having I was having trouble with that. i So i was talking to a buddy of mine about that second time you fight that boss. And I guess the first time I fought him in the first battle, I was so easy that I like didn't even remember fighting him the first time.
00:18:59
Speaker
Yeah, like literally, you run up to him and look you just you can just beat on him. Like he doesn't really do much. Right. um Yep. um Anyway, I don't know. I don't know what... I don't remember what exactly my issue was with it, but I remember it was something along the lines of you had to suck up a certain amount of stuff and then...
00:19:20
Speaker
um Like... And then wait for something specific to happen or something like that. that yeah The timing on it was kind of weird. Yeah, I know what you mean. I just thought he was totally... I thought he was easier than... Than...
00:19:34
Speaker
and um Poppy Kong. Poppy Kong was pretty cool, though. She had, like, the teleportation and all that. i'm like Oh, I thought she was super easy. Okay. Did you just roll right into her? that why?
00:19:45
Speaker
yeah I think so. Yeah, you can do that. Yeah. I think, cool because you can kind of see, like, where she's going to go. And I think she's like, okay, she's about to end up over here. And I would just go over there and just punch her.
00:19:58
Speaker
There's nothing wrong with that. And all i like how I like how Poppy and Grumpy, they eventually like basically join you. like They like quit. and they're like not yeah good Poppy actually quits like like way before Grumpy. Yeah, pretty early.
00:20:11
Speaker
yeah you fight her You only fight her once, right? Yep, you fight her once. And you fight her between the two times that you fight Grumpy Kong? Yeah. And then she actually helps you in the main story.
00:20:23
Speaker
Yes, to get out when you lose Pauline, right? Yeah. I thought the first Voidkong boss, when you first fight him and you're going through all the old layers you had already gone to...
00:20:34
Speaker
um and you're going back to all the... i thought that was super cool to like kind of just really experience that. ah Really funny, Void Kong, you know how he like rides around in his little machine? it like That reminds me of Frieza from my Dragon Ball when he's riding around.
00:20:50
Speaker
Those who've seen Dragon Ball know it. It reminded me that. I was waiting for him to have some super transformation to some like super powerful bad guy. Did you... I guess while we're kind of talking about bosses...
00:21:03
Speaker
At the end of the game, when you fight Void Kong, did you think that was going to be the end?
00:21:12
Speaker
ah No, i thought i thought he was
Exploring Game Layers and Challenges
00:21:15
Speaker
going to have a super transformation into something else. Okay. I thought the game was ending probably three or four times. Really? Okay, surely, surely that's it.
00:21:25
Speaker
And then the game just like didn't end and then just went on for even longer. What? Okay, we can talk a little bit about that. what really blew my mind, though, is right after that, when we get the big bad reveal of King K. Rool. King K. Rool.
00:21:37
Speaker
I couldn't believe that. Yeah, that was I didn't see that coming. And I thought the what did you think of the King K. Rool boss of the King K. Rool battle? Okay, so the battle, the reason why it is much more difficult than any other battle in the game.
00:21:52
Speaker
And that is mainly because he is a sponge. Yes. Yes. But... Yes. So, I really... Let me see what I wrote down.
00:22:02
Speaker
I really liked the first battle with him. I thought it was i thought it was difficult, but I thought it was appropriately difficult. And then you fight him again.
00:22:13
Speaker
in New Dog City. Yes. And but the battle in a new Donk City, i thought was ridiculous that I also, um you know how he had that that attack where he shoots the giant ball at you?
00:22:30
Speaker
Yeah. and you're supposed to punch it back to him and it does, it takes off like a quarter of his health. Yeah. Well, the first time that I tried to punch it back to him, I guess I mistimed it or something and it didn't work.
00:22:43
Speaker
And so I was, and so I beat the entire boss battle, not knowing that you could punch that back to him. And that I was... Fun fact, I did the same thing. i did okay Okay, great. I'm glad it's not just me. I was like, okay, well, you got to dodge this and then do this tiny little chip damage to him.
00:23:01
Speaker
And then you get into this phase where he just floods the... I stayed in elephant form the entire time. Yeah, that boss fight, because i would suck up a bunch of stuff, pick up like the gold, throw it at like the thing. So like the giant like when he summons all those those giant hands they's come at you.
00:23:18
Speaker
Yeah, I'm like, what is going on right now? And I didn't upgrade my health once, as I told you before. So I was playing with three hearts the entire time. By that point, I had upgraded my health.
00:23:30
Speaker
Um, but once I realized that you could punch the giant ball back to him, it got way easier. um yeah sad and one thing that I didn't do for some reason, I thought it would be a good idea, which this will get into the post game a little bit.
00:23:48
Speaker
Um, I thought it would be a good idea to play the entire game without upgrading any of the putting any skill points into the Kong transformations. Um,
00:23:59
Speaker
Oh my God. So I played the entire game and ah few of the post game areas with them just at their base level. That's insane. They were really hard.
00:24:11
Speaker
i can't imagine. Cause you said you liked being the elephant. I can't imagine not having like being able to basically just hold it down the entire time. And like, that was the first one that I updated or upgrade. yeah Yeah. That's like, that was like essential to me.
00:24:24
Speaker
That was essential. That is, how I can't believe you didn't do that. Um, What did you think, um before we get into before we actually move on, um I liked the little like shrine areas. I call them shrines, where it would have like three bananas in them, and you have to like do... like there's like You get like two of them from two main objectives, and then there's like a third optional one.
00:24:43
Speaker
I really liked those. um Did any of them stand out to you?
00:24:49
Speaker
I mean, obviously, you had the one that threw back to the first the you know the four Donkey Kong Country levels. yeah that they original Yeah, that one was pretty cool, where... There were some of them, ah lot so a lot of them had the Donkey Kong Country music in them.
00:25:03
Speaker
Yep. so I've never played Donkey Kong Country, but that music was pretty nostalgic for me from Super Smash Bros. Yes. Yeah, which is, it's funny. Yeah, no, like, I i know what you mean. Like, the um Sticker Brush Symphony.
00:25:20
Speaker
is like like That's like the on the underwater thing. Yeah. um But like that I remember like going into that first, one of the first early levels, and it's like it's the first level of Donkey Kong Country, and it's like a one-to-one remake. was pretty cool to experience.
00:25:32
Speaker
um I really liked the combat challenge ones. that you Not the combat challenge. The one where you have to destroy the giant buildings. Oh, yeah. those I liked those. Yeah. Those ones were fun, and then some of those got kind of hard.
00:25:46
Speaker
Some of those probably would have been easier if I had upgraded my stuff. ah Probably. um Trying to beat it within like the 20 seconds off from the clock. Some of that got challenging. Finding like a third optional one was really fun, too. I liked those.
00:25:58
Speaker
My favorite ones, though, were like the 2D side-scrolling ones. yeah Those were my favorite ones. well you had yeah um There was one of those where I found the second banana and the third banana really easily.
00:26:12
Speaker
And I was running all over this level, destroying everything that I could trying to find the first banana only to find out that you have to jump like way up into the air and go backwards over the start of the level to find this like secret room. um And that was, that was cool. But part of me was like, I hope that this isn't how all these go.
Early Impressions and Evolution of Challenges
00:26:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:35
Speaker
I liked how they they they... I think they did a really good job with hiding some of the... the optional ones also we had talked about this about how mario odyssey had that kind of the inflation with the moons how you know they made it like not really worth getting them all because it was like oh they're just sitting here i think they did a tremendous job with the bananas um i don't think there was many gimme ones i think they were all had you either doing something or doing a challenge or exploring or digging i think they did a tremendous job with that and i think i really look i'm really interested to see what they keep doing with that
00:27:08
Speaker
Yeah, i I feel the same way. um I think that having the kind of like skill tree type um screen where you can unlock certain things um makes every single banana valuable.
00:27:20
Speaker
And really, the fossils are kind of the new the new moons. Yeah. i like like im feeling much But they were much more difficult. I think some of them are a lot more difficult to find.
00:27:31
Speaker
And I liked the designs of the fossils. Each one, was they were all themed, which was really cool. Amongst the different layers and stuff. Yeah. yeah I loved finding the ultra-rare fossils, like the giant ones. The giant ones? And it's like, yeah how did I miss this? It was right here. Yeah, I liked it. It was like the giant 8-bit Donkey Kong. That was pretty cool. Yeah.
00:27:53
Speaker
Yeah, no, I also liked, um like, ah you know, the, you have to sing with um Pauline, and then it would open, there would only be one banana, but it would be like a um race to the finish, or just defeat all the enemies in a certain amount of time.
00:28:07
Speaker
Yeah. I like those, too. I think I liked the single banana ones more than the three bananas. Okay. Mm-hmm. But I'm not really sure why. it might be When I would go into a level and realize that it was only one banana and not a three banana one, I would have this like sense of relief. It's like, okay, great.
00:28:28
Speaker
I'm not going to have to spend 30 minutes looking for the third banana in here. But I think that and think that was probably about it. Okay. It was funny. So in the in the first layer that you can actually fully explore when you're looking for bananas, I spent, I had one banana left. I spent about 45 minutes looking for it.
00:28:47
Speaker
And then i realized, oh my gosh, I actually, they make you buy at least one banana with the tokens per layer. Yeah. I didn't know that. I spent very late. Yeah, I spent like 40 minutes looking and I'm like, where is it?
00:29:01
Speaker
um Which is funny. But speaking of like um just the layers in general, what layer did you like the most? Or a couple layers that you really, really stuck out to you that you really enjoyed?
00:29:17
Speaker
um I know. I... so i pull Let's see. I know that there was there was one towards the end where you were kind of going towards the core where everything in the entire area, everything in the entire layer was like made of gold.
00:29:33
Speaker
Like the walls were made of gold. and you could Yeah, that's neverbit that's the forbidden layer. Yeah, that one was pretty cool. um And then think there was like a like ah it like a forest or...
00:29:46
Speaker
I think the one where you get the snake, even though the snake is bad, i think that's a good Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about That one was pretty If i'm thinking of the right one. I don't know any of the names of them. That's fine. That's the Radiant Slayer.
00:29:59
Speaker
It's all good. that's Yeah, it's the Radiant Slayer. Okay. My, those are, I really liked the Forbidden Zone. That was really cool with all the gold and everything. That was pretty cool.
Mechanics and Skill Mastery
00:30:10
Speaker
I really, really liked the forest layer, which is like, layer so it's like the layer five. It's when you get to choose between going to the, um like the ice, the snowy layer. Oh, yeah. You get to choose there.
00:30:21
Speaker
I chose the forest one. I really liked it because... I thought it was at the first time I felt challenged in the game because it was poison everywhere. and you are Yes, I forgot about that one.
00:30:34
Speaker
That was a tough one. Yes, that was... You get the ostrich, and I really like the whole idea of like the ostrich hotel, kind of like building up like the whole like lore. like There's actually people living here, and they're like, come on you need to help us. as a pool, there's a garden. yeah I like the ostrich for like flying around, too.
00:30:50
Speaker
I also... and i also It reminded me of one of my favorite Mario games. New Super Mario new supermire Bros. U. One of the worlds, the the Soda Jungle.
00:31:02
Speaker
reminded me of that because it's like yep that's what it reminded me of and i really like that game so yeah um and i just found that it was like really fun to like pick up like you could pick up like the root and throw it and it would grow like a vine and it would yeah those were cool too yeah it it just made things like really interesting and i loved getting the ostrich the first time i got the ostrich and just thinking like where can i go and then i'd slide to a new area and be like oh my gosh am i here before i'm supposed to be here this is awesome um Yeah, I think that's a really good one.
00:31:32
Speaker
I think some of the early levels do feel a little like kind of basic, like, a oh, this is going to be your this is going to be your standard snow level with all the zebras. This is going to be your standard whatever level.
00:31:51
Speaker
um But that one's that one, I think, really stuck out. That was a really good one. I don't know how I forgot about that one. Yeah, that that one like really stuck out to me. um I mean, I really like the resort layer. That was really cool. it was Like really chill load, laid back, like giant watermelon everywhere.
00:32:09
Speaker
Reminded me of Mario Sunshine. You know, one of our love. Oh, yeah.
00:32:13
Speaker
um one of like That was really cool. Yes, definitely. the one that I really didn't like was the ah landfill layer, which is like the one where like you legitimately have to like dig.
00:32:29
Speaker
You start at the top and you basically dig everywhere. It's the one with like, there's like a giant pipe in the middle of it. And i was like, how do I get in this pipe? And I remember digging all the way to the ground and being like, there's no way I can get in.
00:32:42
Speaker
And then I realized this is a cannon the bottom. um Did you like the racing layer? I thought it was okay. um I didn't spend a ton of time there.
00:32:57
Speaker
Because it I so I did the I was there and I did the race and I got a few of the moons and I don't think I went ever went back there to get all of the moons. I don't think there were very many there. I think there were like 10 or something. Yeah, like I think there were like it it might maybe even like nine.
00:33:14
Speaker
um but I thought it was fun. I thought it was cool to see Diddy Kong, but I wanted him to do a little bit more in the game. um It kind of seemed like they were just throwing him in there just to say that he was in the game. Yeah, I thought the racing was awful.
00:33:26
Speaker
I think the the racing was terrible. i remember doing it a couple times and thinking it was pretty bad. I don't I you went so slow, like super slow, and it just wasn't fun.
00:33:41
Speaker
Like it just it did didn't. I did it the minimum amount of times I had to. And then I was like, I'm good. Nope. Done with this. So I was a little disappointing. That was probably my least favorite of the layers, though.
00:33:54
Speaker
um There was one... don't remember what exactly it was. I think it was one of the early layers. Yeah, there was one where you have to get around these different sections by writing in the minecarts.
00:34:10
Speaker
Oh, it's the canyon lair. The canyon lair. Okay. That one wasn't... that one i didn't I didn't hate that one, but I wasn't a huge fan of it, too. I was very paranoid that I was going to be missing stuff that I could throw stuff at when I was on the mine carts, and I was worried that I was going miss, like, bananas are show or um like fossils or stuff. I keep wanting call shells.
00:34:30
Speaker
um Bananas or fossils by, like, missing the half a second window where you can hit it with something. Um... So as ah as a completionist, that one kind of stressed me out a little bit.
00:34:44
Speaker
I did the same same for me. i was okay so I was really worried. I'm like, am I going to miss? Because there was one where like one of the rarer fossils, because it's like the three um levels of the fossil. You have the common one, the rare, and the super rare.
00:34:56
Speaker
There were some rare fossils that I would throw something, and it wouldn't break right away. And like, oh yeah gosh. Sometimes you have to hit it. And then you have to ride the whole thing again. Yeah. know It's no ah roller coaster from Super Mario Sunshine. Oh, God, no. Speaking of roller coasters, though, we do have the amusement park world, the um the feast lair, which is like, you know, every American's dream in an amusement park where you can eat everything.
00:35:23
Speaker
hmm. I really like that level, too. I thought it was super cool, like, all the designs, the like, all the different rides. There's, like, four different sections. There's, like, a lazy river type thing that's, like, all, like, grease, and it's, like, deep-frying French fries. I thought that was pretty cool. Oh, yeah.
00:35:42
Speaker
And the that was that the one with the... ah there were like snails or something that you would throw like the salt at salt at it and it would dissolve. Yeah, that was pretty cool. um I overall, like I don't, I think they did a really good job with the layer designs.
00:35:58
Speaker
I would agree. I think some of the early ones, I said earlier that some of the early ones were kind of like basic, um but I do think they really stepped it up a lot in the later ones. For sure.
00:36:10
Speaker
For sure. Um, let's talk about a little bit about the, um, our favorite types of bananas. Cause there are some, um, banana challenges that are recurring
Recurring Challenges and Improvement Areas
00:36:23
Speaker
throughout the game.
00:36:23
Speaker
So like, obviously you are like, for example, like you have the one where, Oh my God, it's like a puzzle piece and you have to find like the, the, um, the little like sections of it and then bring them back and then it will fill in the puzzle piece.
00:36:34
Speaker
That's just an example of one. Did you have a particular recurring one that you liked?
00:36:42
Speaker
I know that, so we talked earlier in like the shrine like areas. I did like the combat ones kind of a bit because I, sometimes if I wasn't sure exactly how to deal with a specific enemy, I could kind of use that area to kind of like test certain things against them and know that it would obviously just spawn that same enemy over and over again, every time you go in there.
00:37:05
Speaker
So I liked those a little bit. Um, the You mentioned the puzzle ones with the like the puzzle piece that you have to kind of follow them around. I liked most of those.
00:37:16
Speaker
There was one like where you have to like take them like really far and like lift a bunch of terrain and stuff and get them to like walk over it that it was it seemed kind of like buggy like it wasn't really working the way that it was supposed to that was in the that is in the uh landfill where okay i had the same problem yeah and i got to the point where it's like okay can i like pick up these guys and like throw them over there or anything um but there weren't
00:37:49
Speaker
at least so you you might remember better than i do i i don't know of any off the top of my head that i really um didn't like that there weren't any of them that i would i got see just like ah this guy again i got two that i really didn't like okay two of them the freaking gold tree we had to throw the gold at the tree freaking hated that hated that stealing my money stealing my money okay um And the one where, oh, you found me. There's four of us playing hide and go seek. Go find us. Oh, okay. Okay.
00:38:23
Speaker
Literally could not stand that because I would find three of them and then I would not be able to find the last one. And I would be running around the area and then I would see the icon disappear and be crap, I'm not in the right area. And then I'd go back like, where, what am I missing right here? It's right in front of me. And then I'd find it and be like, well, what is wrong with me?
00:38:40
Speaker
um i okay give you back a I did have a glitch with the golden tree, though. I cannot remember what layer it was, but I had one banana left. I had to feed that my remaining gold to get the one last banana from the tree because you get three of them.
00:38:57
Speaker
right And I remember seeing it. I remember the area it was in. and I'm like, where did it go? i destroyed like everything looking for this. And I destroyed so much that it just didn't spawn back in.
00:39:10
Speaker
The tree? Yeah, it did not spawn back in. yeah So I ran around the world looking and looking and looking, being like, where the heck is it? And then I'm like, you know what? um Did you go in the pause menu and reload the... That's what I did. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to go in the pause menu, reload it.
00:39:25
Speaker
The second I did that, it popped up right in front of me I'm like... I couldn't believe it. So that that kind of put a sour taste in my mouth for um those two. But those are the... recurring Of the recurring ones, those are the only two that really didn't like like for the recurring ones.
00:39:40
Speaker
I like talking to Cranky Kong. That was pretty funny. Yeah. um It was funny because early on... Is he in every lair? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's in every lair. He's in every lair. I think... I think I found him in most of them. Mm-hmm.
00:39:57
Speaker
I don't think... Well... I think I'd gotten every single banana up until you get to like sub level like 700 or something.
00:40:07
Speaker
Yeah, he's in he's in everyone. He gives you little bit of like lore and background. But it's funny because in the first time you talk to him, he refers to Mario. He's like, back in my day, we had the we these standard villains, you know, jump man.
00:40:19
Speaker
He said something like that. So in my mind, I was thinking that at the end of the game, the big bad end boss might be Mario. Oh, that would have been so great.
00:40:30
Speaker
and didn't doubt would whatever and That would have been insane if it was just like, oh yeah, this is how ah not Donkey Kong starts, the actual game, which would have been crazy. Um...
00:40:41
Speaker
But yeah, as far as some of the more recurring ones, I liked the... You know how liked the one where it it'd be like, oh, I need light. I need light. And you'd have to destroy the universe. liked those.
00:40:53
Speaker
Yeah, because those were little... um Made you think. Those didn't start appearing until kind of late, right? Yeah, i think the first one was the... um
00:41:04
Speaker
Like the vacation themed layer. I said it earlier, the actual layer. yeah I can't remember it. And then it it wasn't like every single layer though. Right. So I wasn't sure. i wasn't Since I played so much of it out of order that i would kept I would press forward in the story for a little while and then go back and do stuff. I can never remember where actually chronologically in the game stuff kind of takes place.
00:41:28
Speaker
That's fine. Yeah. with that I thought those were good ones though.
Post-Game Content and Reflections
00:41:31
Speaker
yeah it's it's um i like the enemy design too and it's funny because after realizing that um king k rule is the big bad boss if you look back at it now all the enemies you were fighting are like fossilized like kremlings from donkey kong country which is Okay, I didn't realize that.
00:41:50
Speaker
Yeah, if you go back and look at them, you can kind of get that idea. I did like the um whole... When you get to the Forbidden Lair, and you know yeah obviously you understand who Kinkai Rule is now, they bring back all the classic enemies from Donkey Kong Country, like the the Critter was there, um the Zingers, which is like the bee, the Kaboom, which is like the the alligator running around in like the spiked barrel. like All of those are just classic enemies um Donkey Kong Country Bosses.
00:42:20
Speaker
Okay. I didn't know that. Enemies. enemies yeah which I thought that was really cool. um I like that. Overall, i mean there wasn't it wasn't really much bad to say about this game. like it was it's It's a great game.
00:42:37
Speaker
I would agree. i do think that... i don't I don't know if I'm going to go back to it and try to get all of the moon... Or not moons. All of the bananas.
00:42:48
Speaker
um And I don't know...
00:42:53
Speaker
I have certain games when I play them, I'll have a really great time with them. And then ever ever after a while, maybe a year or two years or whatever, I'll think like, I should go back and play that game again. I'm interested to see what, if anything, I'll think about this game and make me want to like go back and do it again.
00:43:11
Speaker
That would actually justify an entire new playthrough and not me just going in and I don't know, just finding a few bananas and then like getting out of there.
00:43:22
Speaker
The thing for me that would make me replay it is I saw someone did a no banana run. I thought about that. And I'm thinking that might get me to do it where I just beat the game with no bananas, no upgrades, no nothing.
00:43:37
Speaker
I thought about that until the game got really hard.
00:43:42
Speaker
It's funny. um So i that might that might be. Because, like, honestly, this game, you don't have to get any bananas to beat this game. You don't have to. Yeah. You don't even, even the ones from bosses and stuff, you can just walk past them.
00:43:55
Speaker
Walk right past them. Which is really weird for, like, a ah Nintendo platformer. Usually it's like, oh, you need this many to. i was I was expecting, like, oh, you need at least 30 bananas to go to the next lair.
00:44:07
Speaker
Yeah. Well, that also kind of speaks to how valuable the bananas are in relation to like, moons or anything else. Because now they don't have to do that, that you naturally just want to go and get as many of them as you can.
00:44:23
Speaker
oh of course. they don't they They don't need to, like, slow you down by forcing you to go get them. Yeah, and like like we had said before, like, all like there's so much... more enticing to get than lot of the moons, I would say.
00:44:39
Speaker
But I will say this about comparing to Mario Galaxy. the the The moons that were really enticing, I had some awesome, challenging um platforming aspects from gout um Galaxy, from Odyssey, I think were better designed than some of the more challenging bananas.
00:44:57
Speaker
Other than... some of the post-game bananas, where... Did you do any of the characters, like, Banandium-specific, like, transformation challenge runs? Yes, I did.
00:45:12
Speaker
I did two and a half of them, of the five. okay Okay. um I think two and a half. So the first one... we can we can go in order. The first one was the Kong.
00:45:23
Speaker
Yep. The Kong Elder. And that one... I did all of... i I think some of those were combat. and some of yeah yeah I remember running down... like but yep That one, it had the balloons it had these balloons in it it has Balloons are in all of them. Yeah, so I missed the dialogue at the beginning that said that the balloons were for a record.
00:45:49
Speaker
And so I was playing, and I don't know how, I missed a section at the end where you get the very final banana. And so I was playing it over and over and over again, looking for all of the balloons, because I was thinking that they were that I was missing a banana because of them.
00:46:06
Speaker
Yeah, that's funny. I did the same thing, actually. And then I realized it for a record. And realized that when I got to the very end, I had to just punch through a wall and there was a banana there, or something like that. Yeah. um I really like these areas because it it it made you utilize your Banandium transformation in ways that like you might not have during the actual main game.
00:46:26
Speaker
um like i that That made me use the snake. When I did the snake one, it made me use the snake. And I totally forgot the snake has the glare function that like freezes time. freezes time. don't even know if knew that at all.
00:46:39
Speaker
you It makes you use it in that because if you don't use it, you can't beat it, which is really cool. Go on. um So the kong one i the Kong ones were really fun. They were pretty difficult, but I was still at this point playing having not put any upgrade points into any of them.
00:46:55
Speaker
um And then when you and I got to the zebra ones... the zebra ones trying to get those under 20 seconds without any upgrades or anything with, um, cause I think there's one that makes you move like a tiny bit faster or that lets yeah your, when you do your charge run, it like lengthens the amount of time or something.
00:47:19
Speaker
Um, so I was able to do all of the zebra ones too, without doing any of the upgrades or anything. You're mad man.
00:47:29
Speaker
And then I got to the bird ones.
Hopes for Future Donkey Kong Games
00:47:32
Speaker
Right? Bird? The ostrich, yeah. Thank you. ostri I got to the ostrich one where you're like flying around and stuff, and...
00:47:42
Speaker
There's some of them that you really just can't get without put, because you need to put skill points in to be able to like make your gliding a little bit better so that you fall so that you're like distance traveled to a Mount fallen is like better. um And there's the one where you have to, you like drop the egg. um And so then I did start putting some skill points and stuff into stuff.
00:48:07
Speaker
um And I ran out of bananas or I ran out of skill points and I was like, well, I kind of feel like... and So I could either go back into the world and try to find a whole bunch of bananas to be able to upgrade stuff all the way, or I felt like I would have had to just keep going and accept that I wasn't going to be able to get all of them in there at that time.
00:48:29
Speaker
And that's what kind of what I stopped playing. And I have been wanting to go back to it, but then um by that point I was probably like halfway through Super Mario World, and I was having a lot of fun with that.
00:48:40
Speaker
And then I played Metroid Zero Mission, which is way shorter than I thought. I think both of those games only took me probably like five or six hours. So you missed out. You missed out on some of some really good. um should Should I abandon the um ostrich one and then just go on to whatever the next one is?
00:49:02
Speaker
Yeah, I think you should try the other ones. The only thing is there's a final final endgame one where you use all five transformations in it. oh that sounds cool it is freaking off it's like the darker side of the moon from odyssey it is super cool like there's a part i'm not gonna where you know the mine cart how like you know the mine cart how you jump on the no you know how the elephant you could um you could um like glot you could um pick something up and like hang with it and um it's almost like a like a zip line yeah
00:49:36
Speaker
There's a part where you have to do something like that, and it is extremely tricky because then you have to drop it and ah go onto like a mine cart track, but there's no cart there. You have to use your... ah like okay surface terrain yeah it is super fun um i really liked it the ostrich one was my favorite one though of the five main challenge areas because to me it was like almost like a giant open mini world because you're flying around this little area it was like a big open area so of the five or sorry you're saying of the final challenge the ostrich area was your favorite No, no, because in the final challenge room, there's no like themed ones.
00:50:15
Speaker
Like you can be at anything during any time, but you have there's aspects you have to use all of them. Of the of the five challenge ones where each one is like you're specifically supposed to be like you you can't change out of this one. The ostrich one is my favorite.
00:50:29
Speaker
OK, I see. Which is funny because we both said the elephants are favorite like transformation. That was my least favorite one. Okay, I'll have to... I think that'll probably my next one.
00:50:39
Speaker
Because I assume they're going to go... I guess i can go in order I can go to them in any order. but Yeah. um One thing I did want to ask you about... A couple things. One, what did you think of the skill tree and the some of the different abilities in there?
00:50:56
Speaker
um Were there any abilities in there that you really liked, any that you didn't like, or the various abilities that you were able to do? i um Personally, I felt like there was a lot of stuff that you were able to do that I never really found like a use case for in the game.
00:51:11
Speaker
um But I'm interested what you think about that. First thing I upgraded right away, expanded radar. Okay. Expanded radar right away. ah Longer time to punch. Like you can just keep punching and breaking more terrain very easily.
00:51:26
Speaker
Those are the two I went with right away. I found those super, super useful, super incredible. um I really like the idea of the skill tree. I think it works for Donkey Kong. I do not think it would work for like Mario or Yoshi or. Right.
00:51:40
Speaker
I could see it working for like a Wario game they ever did like a 3D Wario. I could see that working. But I could not see them utilizing this for Mario. um That was super useful. um Another one, oh upgrading like the various Banandium, like this is stuff you failed to upgrade.
00:51:57
Speaker
um Some of that was really useful. Like I said, look with the elephant, it lets you suck in a lot longer, um have a lot quicker. You had mentioned the ostrich, you can glide further. um Being able to carry more um like Benandium juice so that.
00:52:11
Speaker
um Oh, so you stay in transformation longer. Yeah. Also being able to carry like if you die, you drink the potion and because I only had three hearts that really came in handy at the end of the game.
00:52:23
Speaker
Right. But yeah, so yeah, i those I found really useful. um It was fun. I love the whole idea of the radar, just just constantly tapping and seeing what things are. that's kind of that's kind of in the the boat that I'm in too, that a lot of the abilities, or a lot of the stuff that I liked from the skill tree were tied to more passive abilities, or they would just kind of add on to things that i I'm already doing.
00:52:49
Speaker
The things that I didn't really care for, like I didn't care for the like spin jump or anything. Did you... you know i mean, I upgraded that. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I didn't really use that upgraded it and stuff, but i didn't ah there was never any point... o I felt like there should have probably been a point in the game where it's like, oh, this thing that I was having trouble with got a lot easier if I was utilizing this spin jump or something.
00:53:15
Speaker
And I didn't really... I guess there could have been moments like that and I just never realized them, but I didn't have any moments like that. And then i never found, I wasn't a big fan. Um, you know how you could pick up the terrain and I think you could hit the left jump button twice.
00:53:32
Speaker
Yeah. Um, Oh no, the, the terrain and spin on it and like, kind of like, and I never found that skiing. Yeah. I never found that to be better than walking.
00:53:43
Speaker
yeah. ah i did I literally hated it. The only time I used it was a couple challenge rooms. Well, you had to. in In one of the challenge rooms at the end, in one of the zebra ones, um you had to do that to be able to... I had to do that to be able to get the end fast enough um because I was doing it without... yeah How about, did you, there was a challenge room that I remember you had to do that in, and it was, like, if you got in the sunlight, it like, melted it, and it was so annoying. Yeah, it was super annoying.
00:54:16
Speaker
That, I found so many people, like, oh, that's such a cool, like, a cool aspect, picking up the ground, and, like, ah people describe it as, like, skiing with it. I'm like, used that. There were those enemies, the, like,
00:54:29
Speaker
They were like, like the lobster enemies yeah that if yeah had they were red and there were the purple ones and that some of them, if you were in the, if they were in the sunlight, they would be super hard and you could use them to like, um, to like surf over like tough terrain and stuff.
00:54:44
Speaker
And I actually did find that to be interesting. I thought that was an interesting way to utilize that mechanic. Um, but I'm glad they do it too much.
00:54:55
Speaker
Yeah. Um, yeah. I also didn't use the... You know when you pick up the terrain and like you could like almost do like a double jump off of it? I don't think I used that the entire game. I unlocked that and put steel points into it. yeah Yeah, I barely used that.
00:55:11
Speaker
The spin jump, I didn't like because when you do the spin jump, you can't grab onto an edge. So like if you try to jump higher to grab onto an edge, you just bounce off of it. yeah I'm like, come on. So where it's...
00:55:23
Speaker
Which is so different than how I feel about the spin jump in like in Super Mario Sunshine, because so in Super Mario Sunshine, the spin jump is like the most valuable thing you can do and you don't have to unlock it. And it's like it's like three jumps in one.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
00:55:39
Speaker
Yeah. So guys, so basically bottom line here even though we love this game, there are still some things that, you know, they can improve upon, obviously. um So speaking of that, what would you like to see out of the next Donkey Kong? Do you want them to stick with this kind of like destruction, more of a a destruction platformer? Or do you want them to do another 2D game or a more traditional 3D game? Like this is very different than Donkey Kong 64. If you ever right decide to play DK, this is so different. I would like to. It's on my list.
00:56:09
Speaker
DK64 is much more like Mario 64 than this. I think I would like...
00:56:19
Speaker
Well, I don't know. Because part of me wants them to go more... To get away from the destruction and stuff and actually go more for like a traditional...
00:56:30
Speaker
like platformer and going to the different worlds and like experiencing different characters and all this stuff. But part of me is also like, if we actually get that from Mario at some point, I might be okay with Donkey Kong doing this whole destruction thing.
00:56:46
Speaker
And I do also think that the whole mining and construction stuff has always been kind of like Donkey Kong's thing. Like oddly enough. Yeah, no, I hear what you mean. Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:58
Speaker
So he can kind have his own thing. All right. So for 3D Dung, I'm very similar to you. I like would love for them to do like a more traditional one. But at at the same time, like we get that from Mario. We get that from. Right.
00:57:11
Speaker
You know, we get that from even Yoshi. Like Yoshi. i We get like with the not not that he has a full 3D game, but like we get that from other series from nintendo so if they want to make this like their donkey kong nintendo game what i would like is those shrine areas maybe have a few more that are more platforming based yeah i think that would be great uh oh one thing we didn't mention is donkey kong's redesign oh yeah that when they originally revealed it i thought i was gonna hate it about 10 minutes into the game didn't even faze me
00:57:46
Speaker
Yeah, after it it looked off at first just because that Donkey Kong Country design and has been Donkey Kong for... When did Donkey... 30 years. Yeah, because Donkey Kong Country was what, like 92? I think then i was like ninety it was like I think.
00:58:02
Speaker
okay still yeah um that's the that's for every donkey for all five donkey kong country games and all five smash bros games and any other thing he's been in yeah um so it it kind of was weird at first but now i'm kind of in a boat that it's like they didn't really need to redesign donkey kong basically Okay. think they would have I think they would have been... I think it's fine. I think it's fine that they did it, but... And I know that they... I think they said that they wanted to go for a more, like, younger Donkey Kong, whereas I think the Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong is supposed to be a little bit older.
00:58:42
Speaker
Which is weird because now this takes place after Donkey Kong Country. But who really cares in the freaking timeline of a Nintendo game unless we're talking Zelda? That's completely different. so um But I think it didn't bother me. I still probably prefer the Donkey Kong Country design.
00:59:01
Speaker
But I think that's just because that's who Donkey Kong has always been to me. Yeah. No, hear you. I know what you mean. Yeah. But it wasn't like... Oh, go ahead. No, I'll just be curious to see. Obviously, moving forward, we're going to be seeing Donkey Kong design like this, obviously. This is their new look.
00:59:19
Speaker
Yeah, I would think that in any other any additional 3D Donkey Kong games, I think they're going to Well, do you think that this is going to be the design for Donkey Kong moving forward, even if they do more Donkey Kong Country?
00:59:32
Speaker
Yes, I do. Okay. I think they might go away from the Donkey Kong Country line. I think we'll get a new 2D game, but it will not be called Donkey Kong Country. It'll be called Donkey Kong something.
00:59:44
Speaker
I think they want to get rid of that. I think they want to get away from that. That that that was part of the whole redesign. Okay. Huh. And then, so do you think in, guess, in the next Smash Bros, if they make another one, you think it'll be this Donkey Kong and not the classic one? Yes, I do. The same way that they did with Link?
01:00:03
Speaker
Yes, I think it will be this Donkey Kong. You might get like an alternate costume where you can go to the old one. yeah Also, speaking of Smash Bros, I think we're going Pauline in the next Smash. As a fighter?
01:00:15
Speaker
Yes. I was thinking like a Sith Trophy. A Sith Trophy or it would be DK or they could do two different versions of Donkey Kong. do Donkey Kong and then Donkey Kong and Pauline and this is like Donkey Kong and Pauline like this. You know what I mean? You know, you never know with Sakurai over there.
01:00:30
Speaker
What he's cooking up. Yeah. But yeah, I think that's about it for Donkey Kong here. We spent about an hour discussing this great game. Is there anything else you want to chat about, talk about with Donkey Kong? The only thing... You were asking what I would want from a future game, um which it sounds like I need to play more of the post-game because it sounds like a little bit of this was already in there.
01:00:52
Speaker
In the final boss battle with King K. Rool, I really liked how... you could just kind of switch between all the different Bonanza transformations kind of on the fly that you could be the elephant and throw something. And then if something was coming at you, switch to the zebra yeah and like run away to a safe area and then switch to the um elephant again and throw something else. And then um like run up to him as the zebra and then punch him as the Kong.
01:01:24
Speaker
um And I wish that there were more challenges in there that actually made you, um i the the ah I wish they had utilized the ability for you to change on the fly between the Bundanza transformations a little bit more.
01:01:39
Speaker
um Because a lot of the game felt like it was designed around like, oh, I'm going to use this one thing at a time and not like switching between them.
01:01:51
Speaker
okay no i hear that yeah no i i get what you i totally get what you're saying um because a lot of the times it was like incentivized it would only the only time you would really change on the fly would be if you wanted to whereas the the extra challenges it almost it made you or you couldn't succeed in right which i think you'll like that if you go back to it okay um But yeah, I mean, if we do a future, if they do a future 3D Donkey Kong game, I think they'll, I think they the the team is proven. I think they'll build off of this.
01:02:19
Speaker
But honestly, I think it would be a long way away before we get a new 3D Donkey Kong. um I mean, yeah, best case scenario, I would think probably another four or five years. Just how long games take to take.
01:02:31
Speaker
Yeah, and obviously it's the same team that was working on Mario. and ah But i think we I do think we're going to get a 2D Donkey Kong game with this style Donkey Kong. I think we will. think this team that's working on this game is working on another game already.
01:02:48
Speaker
I think that they have multiple games that they're working on at the same time. That I don't think it's going to be a full like four or five years before we see anything from this team. think it'll be Mario?
01:02:59
Speaker
I do think it'll be Mario.
01:03:03
Speaker
um But yeah, I i don't know. I um
01:03:12
Speaker
i i don't know. That might just be kind of like a wishful thinking. Part of me is like, it's been eight years since we've gotten a three d Mario game.
01:03:25
Speaker
yeah And I don't think we've gotten very many... ah Other than Super Mario Wonder, I don't think we've gotten very many new Mario games since then at all.
01:03:37
Speaker
Yeah, that's... ah I mean, they re-released 3D World. that's I mean, but we we have different types of Mario games, but not yeah traditional 2D or 3D Mario games. Oh, Super Mario Wonder.
01:03:49
Speaker
It just seems like it would be a... real Yeah, so Super Mario Wonder sent um was... What? 2023. Okay. Yeah. twenty three okay yeah which that was great, but that's, I don't feel like that serves the same audience as, yeah, this is the longest we've gone without a traditional 3d Mario platformer since right it first came out.
01:04:11
Speaker
So yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Well, That's it. That's our Donkey Kong little spoiler cast. Thanks everyone for joining us.
01:04:22
Speaker
I hope you guys like the game. Tell us what you think of the game. Tell us your favorite parts, things you didn't like, your favorite layer, layer you didn't like, really anything in the comments. Leave us a review. Leave us anything. James, where can they find you?
01:04:36
Speaker
um You can find me on YouTube mostly. I always say when I'm here that you can find me on Twitter and stuff too, but I haven't really been on there lately. I actually... um I got a new phone and when I downloaded Twitter, it would just not load at all.
01:04:52
Speaker
So I spent probably two months not on, I spent two months like not going on Twitter at all. So it's completely out of my brain now. um And so I don't even think about checking it or anything.
01:05:04
Speaker
So um you can find me on YouTube. but ah I don't even remember what it is, but usually Sean puts it down in the description. And then also, I guess, on um on like Discord or something, if somebody wanted to talk to me directly.
01:05:20
Speaker
um But yeah, that's about it. right, perfect. Well, thanks for joining me We'll be back again in the future for our inevitable giant Mario Sunshine retrospective Smash Bros.
01:05:32
Speaker
stuff. You'll see. Thanks for joining. and Tier list of every shine and smash in Smash Bros. in in ah Super Mario Sunshine. And then every blue coin.
01:05:44
Speaker
All right, bye.