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EP 34 | Aimee Mahony: Key Themes from the NFU Conference Poultry Breakout
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In this episode of the Poultry Network Podcast, Tom Woolman and Tom Willings are joined by NFU Chief Poultry Adviser Aimee Mahony for a timely discussion following the NFU Conference.
Aimee reflects on nearly a decade with the NFU and explains how the poultry sector is working to raise its profile within wider farming and government policy.
The conversation explores the key themes from this year’s poultry breakout session, which focused on resilience, horizon scanning, and the opportunities and pressures shaping the future of both poultry meat and egg production.
Topics include the continuing challenge of planning permission for new poultry buildings, the growing influence of welfare and environmental policy, and the need to balance rising expectations with affordable food production.
She also discusses how the NFU engages with stakeholders across the supply chain and why the sector must do more to tell its story proactively rather than simply reacting to criticism or misinformation.
The episode also looks at new shed age survey data from the laying hen sector, revealing the age profile of infrastructure across the industry and why that matters for future investment.
Aimee shares insight into regional differences, the implications of the cage consultation, and what the data means for the sector’s ability to modernise.
There is also discussion of the latest developments within the Animal Health and Welfare Pathway, including new biosecurity visit support for poultry producers in England, and a wider reflection on food security, sector resilience and the policy choices that will shape the future of British poultry production.
Aimee closes with a reminder of several important deadlines, including the colony cage consultation, National Poultry Board elections, and the National Planning Policy Framework consultation.
A useful episode for anyone wanting a clearer view of the policy landscape, the current pressures on the sector, and the work being done to make sure poultry producers are heard.
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Transcript
Introductions and Office Talk
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Hello and welcome to the Poultry Network podcast. I'm Tom Woolman. And my name is Tom Willings.
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How are you? Do you know what? I'm excited. i'm in my I'm in my new office. I feel like a grown-up. It looks very swishy. It almost looks a little bit like you've got ah some sort of green screen behind you that's it's going to suddenly start animating. No.
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Just just you know a sloping roof. I've got one of these desks as well. In fact, I've got that rise and fall stand-up desks. It's on a timer. So if you see me stand up in a minute, it's because you know the the desk is preordained that it's time for me to leptate, elevate, you know rehydrate, and then the other word ending in eight. Every 20 minutes or every half an hour?
00:01:01
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Yeah, something like that. Something like that. um Well, today... about you? What's new in your world? What is new in my world? um Not a lot, really. I'm just i'm starting to feed the sheep in the run-up to lambing.
Preparing for Lambing Season
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So counting the down the days for that, really, about six weeks. um And they're all looking a little bit sorry for themselves. They've run out of grass, um so they're quite happy to be thrown some sheep nuts.
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Are you taking about three weeks off work then to to lamb your 10 ewes? Hopefully not, because I've synchronised the breeding. So yeah what I've got is I've got a very intensive weekend after Easter where I'm going to roll up my sleeves, um you know crack out the ah the the surgical gloves and um and and just have a whale of a time.
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You synchronised the breeding. i'm I'm tempted to look it up on Google, but I'd be terrified as to what I would find. That's ah that's a whole other podcast. Yeah. Yeah, the Sheep Network podcast.
00:02:03
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um We should stick to to chickens and eggs, shouldn't we so stick sir Stick to what we know. Stick to what we're experts at. um Yeah. So we've got a guest this week.
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Yeah. and so Someone who who... I've known for for a little while now. um yeah i did and Someone actually ah that I've known even longer, actually, because I went to university with her way back when.
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Really? Yeah, when actually she was quite she was quite quiet, dare I say it, as as ah as as a student. um you know she was She was very quiet and unassuming, and it and it makes me smile when I look at her now. and all the public speaking that she does and she just stands up in front of hundreds and hundreds of people and and and just, you know, she'll she'll she'll talk about the sector just off the cuff really or with a PowerPoint that she's pulled together in the train on the way there. So, um yeah. you going Are you going to introduce her? Because we're we're talking about this person in the third person continually and I think it's time we stopped. Why don't you make the proper introduction?
Meet Amy Marnie: NFU's Poultry Advisor
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So today we are joined by NFU Chief Poultry Advisor Amy Marnie.
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And we're we're delighted to have Amy join us. think She's um going to celebrate a decade with the NFU, as you're about to hear, which blows my mind. I'm not sure what I'm more surprised by, that that you are of the same university vintage, because my word, you look like you've had a tough paper round.
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say likebar is One of us has aged better than the other. or Or that yeah she's managed to already have 10 years under her belt with it with the NFU when it only feels like yesterday that that you know we were together at ah term Noble Foods back in the 20s. I think that's what's great that's what's great about this industry, isn't it, is that you meet people.
00:03:53
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and you can go on for 10 years or you can go on even longer and and you reconnect with people um in different positions. and And that's always been one of the one of the strengths of the sector. Well, let's welcome her in and let's hear what Amy's got to say.
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A Decade at NFU: Challenges and Changes
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I'm very pleased that this week we are joined by NFU Chief Poultry Advisor Amy Marnie. Hello, Amy. Hello. Hi, both. I have to apologize, Amy, because you should have been one of the first people that we've had on when we started doing this podcast. um And it it it seems terrible that we've waited until we're on whatever it is, the 34th or 35th episode. isn't that right? well Is that right? Have we really waited or have we been badgering Amy for about six months and and not managed to track her down or find a convenient time or date because you know she's been absolutely permanently on the road?
00:05:58
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bustic busting a gut on behalf of the of the entire poultry industry. Yeah, yeah. well Well, usually, if you want something doing, you ask a busy person, don't you? Which is why Amy is clearly in the position that she is.
00:06:11
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um So our thoughts, Amy, were that we know that the NFU conference has just been, there was an awful lot of things that were talked about and discussed there, both within wider farming and within poultry farming. So we thought we'd have a bit of a catch up with you, get a bit of a debrief.
00:06:27
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for people that weren't there as to what was discussed and get some of the the key takeaways really from the sessions. So you've been to a lot of NFU conferences in your time, haven't you? was What is this? Is this like yeah your 10th conference?
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That's a really good guess because it's my 10th year at the NFU this year. So we say, yeah, it probably is a night before 10th conference. That ages both of us, Amy. I'm going to admit now that when I when when i think of Amy, I think of i think of ah our mutual previous employer and the whole process of of of amy joining that that that business and you know both of us i think were relatively new in in poultry at that at that point and you've already done a decade and and in the in the nfu well cheers to that yeah it's been a 10 years hasn't it amy
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it's been a busy ten years hasn't it amy Yes, it certainly has. and Actually, um I joined the NFU in 2016, the week after the referendum vote.
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So it quite a different place to join um to to where I was previous, but also sort of when I accepted the job. um And then I became the chief voucher advisor ah July 2020, so the middle of COVID.
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um So some may say I'm a glutton for punishment, but... Yeah, certainly makes for a varied work life. And it must be quite exciting working in the NFU because there is always loads of stuff going on, isn't there, across the sectors. And yeah, it must just be quite fun to be part of that bigger machine.
00:08:09
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Yeah, absolutely, because obviously I'm very poultry centric, but we cover poultry meat and eggs. And as you both know, that's it's quite unique. there's There's few roles that sort of cover both, a lot of roles specialise in one or the other.
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I've obviously got really good
Resilience in the Poultry Sector
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grounding from my first role in the egg sector. um But yeah, coming into the policy world was sort of equally scary, equally exciting, but... um Yeah, just to feel that you're doing something worthwhile and kind of making sure farmers are being heard at all levels throughout the supply chain and with the government, etc. It's just, is ah it's a privilege to do it, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't hard work um most of the time. Do you feel you're winning the battle? Because I think for for a long, long time, poultry feels like it's been a bit of a forgotten entity in farming. And, you know, I wonder whether even with NFU whether not that's the case. But, you know, you go go to Emma Reynolds' speech at at the conference this year and, and and you know, grant availability for for poultry farmers um on the list. It slightly feels that maybe we're turning a corner. Is that your influence?
00:09:19
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I mean, you might be a bit big headed, so it was all um down to me. But ah no, I do think collectively, obviously all the organisations, but the NFU and the poultry board in particular, we've been very strategic over the last couple years.
00:09:35
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So there's always a great list of challenges and opportunities that, you you know, I think poultry people, they want to do everything, which is great. But we've really had to look at it in terms of having a strategy. What are the priorities?
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um And i don't yeah I don't think it's an accident that we are now being featured um a lot more, like you like you say, in the pathway or in government speeches, um wherever it might be, there is ah a focus. And there's an awareness of the progressiveness and and innovation, et cetera, in the poultry sector, which quite honestly is just the envy of other sectors that I speak to.
00:10:14
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Mm-hmm. So tell us a little bit about the poultry breakout session. And I think for those that that don't know how the conference works is you have the main conference, don't you, in the in the in the big hall where everyone stands around and listens to the to the really big and important people talking. um I think Rishi Sunak came, didn't he, a couple of years ago, and Keir Starmer came as well, didn't he?
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and That's one in the rural vote. you know He knows how to how to pull the wool over people's eyes, doesn't he? Yeah. But then you also have these little breakout sessions as well, don't you, focusing on specific sectors and specific topics. So so there's a poultry so session.
00:10:52
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And what was what was discussed this year? Yeah, so the overall theme of the conference was around resilience. this year, I guess for obvious reasons, but there's lots of kind of synergies with areas we're working on.
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And for the poultry session, we kept that ah kind of that we kept that resilience theme. um But we drilled down into a bit more horizon scanning. So we had a panel discussion. So I chaired the session and we had four panelists who all brought something different from across the poultry meat and egg sectors.
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um And we discussed resilience in terms of challenges and opportunities that they felt the poultry sector would face going forward. So sort of a horizon scanning, looking at both the positives and those things that we need to kind of get on top of to allow us to be a resilient sector.
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And summarize those sort of key findings then, what were the what were the you know top one, two, three of of those? those factors yeah it's a good it's a good question because it all it won't surprise anyone that um planning was a hot topic ah because i think it's a barrier that a lot of people see to being able to invest and grow um and it sort of underpins producer confidence so planning was a key topic um welfare was also up there so There was a lot of discussion around the current consultation which the government have
Engagement and Storytelling in Poultry
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on colony cages.
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There's also mention on the poultry meat side around um welfare going forwards, whether that's better chicken commitment or whether it's something else. um I mean, the environment is is always going to be something that's um mentioned at a poultry conference or in a poultry meeting and around the challenges.
00:12:56
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with water quality, um but also trying to meet some of these kind of ever growing expectations um whilst keeping poultry meat and eggs as an affordable and accessible source of protein for consumers to to purchase and and in enjoy to eat.
00:13:15
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Yeah, and there's a whole range of different NGOs, aren't there, in different areas, just as you've highlighted, whether it's welfare or whether it's the environment um or whether it's you know whether it's other areas, whether it's social justice, et cetera, that are all coming at the poultry sector from different angles, potentially, and putting it under pressure in different ways, um I suppose, you know as as they have a right to do so. And the NFU is quite often one of the um well, one of the main organisations, isn't it, that is trying to
00:13:50
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argue the case for current farmers and arguing the case for for doing things in ah in a certain way. How do you see that dynamic between the NFU and NGOs evolving? um And how has it evolved, I suppose, over over the time since you've been with the NFU?
00:14:07
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Where are we at now? is you know ah Are we working better with some of these organizations or are are are things potentially becoming more more fraught than than ever? And it's something that's always sort of top of my mind in terms of engagement, because we spend a lot of time engaging with ah stakeholders across the supply chain, um different ah ministers and MPs and civil servants, e etc, within the government. And depending on sort of how you define an NGO, because I think we often use it as a bit of an umbrella term, but it could be anything from a real activist group ah that is their mission is sort of to set out to um kind of, you know, disenfranchise the sector.
00:14:53
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um and There's also bodies and organizations like the RSPCA, for instance. I mean, we as the NFU are a lobby organization. So we're all lobbying, but on different um themes and and with different remits, I guess. So, um yeah, we do quite a bit of engagement across the piece.
00:15:15
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and I couldn't sit here and say, yeah we actively engage with some of those real hardcore like activist groups because I don't think we have anything to gain necessarily from doing so. um It doesn't mean that we we shouldn't, but um at this moment in time, it's not something we are doing.
00:15:35
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actively engaged in. um But yeah, we we do. I think one thing the NFU has ah started to do more of is being more proactive in terms of telling the story, which is really important. Because if you have got misinformation, I mean, the world is full of fake news these days, which is quite scary and scary for younger generations that get most of it on social media and online where there's there feels like very little sort of fact checking.
00:16:08
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um we We need to be more proactive collectively on telling ah the po all the positive things that the poultry sector does have to to tell. Because if we are just reactive, I fear that we then look defensive and there's no need to be because sweet you know poultry producers aren't doing anything wrong. and We just need to be better at sort of being positive, celebrating all the successes and um you know telling that story to a wider audience.
00:16:39
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Because I'd certainly say, based on my limited social media feeds, you see people in different sectors, like sheep, take, for example, or pigs. And I see people that are working on farms,
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showing what they're doing and explaining what they're doing and making videos about it. Probably i'd I'd imagine that in poultry we are the least represented sector agricultural sector when it comes to social media because the vast majority of poultry farmers want to keep their heads down they don't want to necessarily be putting themselves out there and making themselves a target for some of these people that don't agree with what they're doing so it's quite a big ask isn't it for um for the sector even though i think probably most people would sit around the table and agree well yes if we don't tell our story then we're leaving it up to others to tell it for us
00:17:31
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Yeah, absolutely.
Visibility and Social Media Strategy
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And it is difficult. If you looked across the NFU's main social media channels, you will absolutely see more of your livestock, like your beef and sheep and your crops and your horticulture, etc.
00:17:45
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But we are we are moving that that dial. We have got producers that are willing. and You don't necessarily have to be on camera, and but it's about showing... the the birds, the environment, the care, the steps that producers take to ensure their food is safe um and you know, and how it sort of gets to them at the supermarket, which I guess we're so engrossed in the industry that we, we forget that people don't know a lot about where their food comes from. Um, and so it's telling that story, but there are also different ways of doing it. So one thing, and I've personally been involved in this, um, farmers for schools initiative, which is something that the NFU education team runs,
00:18:31
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and And now everyone that does our poultry industry program, we train them. so the next generation sort of coming through They do their farmers for schools training and then ah basically schools get in touch with the and you can go and do, I've i've done assemblies and or I've done sort of smaller like focus groups with students. I've talked about and careers as well. and So it's not, sometimes it's about the poultry sector. Like how do you just look after birds? How do you produce the chicken or the eggs or the turkey or whatever it might be? and Sometimes in secondary schools,
00:19:08
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the students are much more interested in like what careers they can go into. And that could be farming, but it could be nutrition, genetics, engineering. like We need all of these sort of associate ah professions as well. So that's something I would champion and and encourage people to get involved in, is going into their local school and just sharing their story.
00:19:36
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So another thing that came out of the NFU conference that's poultry specific was you had a ah shed survey, didn't you? a A laying hen shed survey. And you've done something similar in the broiler sector, haven't you, last year? Yeah. um And yeah, tell me what your what your general results were then with them with your laying hen survey.
Infrastructure Challenges in Poultry
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Yeah, so um it's the first time we've done the Shed Age survey in the egg sector. So we have previously um done a broiler Shed Age survey.
00:20:09
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um And we find the data that it generates really useful, um ah particularly in our lobbying, but also like bringing issues to life. So everyone knows we keep banging the drum on breaking down like the barriers for planning permission.
00:20:25
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but actually if we can put some stats to it, and it really helps. And anecdotal information is great, but ah when you've got sort of like far and hard facts and figures, um it does get the attention of the those policymakers that that you need. So um yeah, it's our first ever egg shed age survey, so that's exciting. And the results came out just before conference. So it's kind of, hot off the press. um we We surveyed the whole sector so it was for laying hen sheds but also pullet rearing um and layer breeders and I think it's probably not surprising that the average age of your pullet rearing sheds is significantly older.
00:21:12
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38 years old. I've got it in front of me. i this This should terrify people because you go right back to um the the the cage consultation, which you mentioned a few moments ago. And we should remind people that there is still time. There is still time to get your responses in. If you haven't done it yet, please, please, please.
00:21:33
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you know We'll put the details in the in in the links to this podcast, but um you know the industry needs your voice now more than ever. But a 38-year-old average age of a bullet room shed tells its own tells its own story. And if we're about to see um you know the in the near future the end of the cage age, then then those sheds, those bird places are going to need to be replaced or else we're going to wave in. imported egg at lesser standards from from elsewhere in the world. But as you said, planning is so difficult. And here is the evidence and and the numbers of people that you've had respond to this survey, personally I personally, found incredible. I don't know how many surveys I've tried to conduct in my in my working life, never with this degree of success. You've got 16.5 million layers, nearly 1,000 sheds have have responded. That's a huge proportion of the the overall industry. So I think you know the stats that that have come out as a result of this need to be
00:22:34
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need to be read, need to be understood, and frankly need to be seen to be believed. they they they you know It's not a good picture. ahd I'd just like to say, on the point of pullet rearing sheds, I am 38 years old and I am very much still in my prime. No, you're ready for replacement. And as ah as ah ah older than you, you know.
00:22:56
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If you were a chicken shed, yeah, you'd you'd be long gone, Tom. I think it's really interesting, though, and it talks not only to, like, when the shed was built, but we collected information on refurbishment. so um But also, you know, if we're going to invest, if...
00:23:14
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colony cages are going and which is what the government are proposing and absolutely second tom your call there we do need everyone to respond to this um consultation it closes monday the 9th of march so please put your views in the government need to hear them they're hearing them from other people um and they need to hear that that balance of you so please respond to that but um In terms of infrastructure, and you mentioned the pull-it rearing average age was 38 years. I think the average age of delay in shed was about 17 years. um And we've also got the data to show kind of um where there's been peaks and troughs in in new sheds being built. So yeah, think around refurbishments actually is about 20% sheds. and had undergone major refurbishment. um So there has been that uptick too. But um the broiler, cheday survey which we did last year, for the first time, we actually um collected data on where people were um in terms of regions. So we can drill down into the data. regionally. So we replicated that in the egg survey. um And it was actually Wales, again, probably not surprisingly, because we have seen um a lot of new shed building or um farmers from other sectors diversifying into poultry, particularly in Wales. um So their average shed age was nine years.
00:24:44
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um And then England actually have the oldest ah with 19 years. So regionally, sort of within GB, we can also pull out those those differences. And it does make a difference because the NFU is England and Wales, but we absolutely work really hard with our counterparts in the other UK farming
Policy Differences and Regional Impacts
00:25:05
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unions. But we have devolved governments as well.
00:25:08
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So they can have different policies. and One thing that did come out of conference, which might be of interest, is when the Secretary of State addressed the entire conference and there were 1,200 people there in the auditorium. um She announced the new parts to the animal health and welfare pathway.
00:25:29
Speaker
And one of those is around biosecurity visits um for poultry producers. And this is England only. So um just as top of my mind, because I was actually at the NFU Cymru Poultry Conference yesterday, and you know that was something I wanted to kind of like say, this is brilliant, because we've been working on this for a long time, and trying to make ah poultry something relevant for poultry within the pathway, because it's sort of traditionally been a little bit outside of it compared to the other sectors.
00:26:02
Speaker
But I didn't shout too loudly at the NfU Cymru Poetry Conference about it because it doesn't apply to to to those members in Wales. So we do have differences across the the different countries.
00:26:18
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Brilliant. Well, I think we'll probably round it up there, Amy, if that's all right. Thank you for... talking to us and I hope it's not quite so long until we talk to you again um because I'm sure whenever' whenever there's some sort of storm in the poultry sector going down the NFU are quite often in touch with things so it'll be good to catch up with you at various points in the future Absolutely. If if I can, just ah before we finish, we're currently in our election period. um So our National Poultry Board, who I work really closely with, in fact, you know they direct sort of
00:26:56
Speaker
all the work streams and projects that we get involved in. They're currently up for election. So um you've only got a couple of days left. Sunday the 8th of March is the deadline for this one.
00:27:09
Speaker
So if you want to apply for the board, then you could do that on Sunday and then put your colony cage consultation response in on Monday because they're the deadlines. And if you're really keen, um there's a national planning policy framework consultation ongoing and that closes on Tuesday and there's lots of information on NFU online for people that might want to ah ah respond to any of those those things. But yeah, we need great people ah for the board to help set that future direction and ah continue with all the good work that we're doing. So sorry for the shout out, but yeah, we need to attract good people.
00:27:49
Speaker
Great. Thank you, Amy. Thanks very much.
00:27:59
Speaker
Well, that was great to see Amy again. It certainly was. It certainly was. Yeah. She's fantastic. And great guns. You know, yeah i know she's she talked about um yeah being very modest around the influence of NFU on poultry and poultry within the and NFU and, you know, and further afield. But, it definitely feels as though the poultry industry is starting to cut through, starting to be heard.
00:28:27
Speaker
um And, you know, we've got a lot of positive messages we need to get across, not least to the consumer, of course, not just the NGOs. a Although, yeah i I'm a little bit worried about the the planning question because I think you can see what um has happened with regards inheritance tax. And i don't know how much you lay that at the door of the NFU, along with all the other people that were lobbying for it to be changed. But obviously that was that was changed by the government. So there was a there was a win there.
Planning System Complexities
00:28:58
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um
00:28:59
Speaker
I'm a little bit sceptical in terms of planning. The government has been saying that they want to free up planning right from the start, really. It was one of the big things when they came into government. And and I've listened to the old Secretary of State, Steve Reid, say that he wants to help people build poultry sheds. But...
00:29:14
Speaker
I don't really know how easy it's going to be to unpick the planning system, which is, at the end of the day, isn't it, is controlled in lots of different areas locally and um and can't necessarily be be set by central government. But, um yeah. i This is probably a really contentious view, and I ought to be very, very careful about what I say. But it also no longer feels like it's and the planning decisions are are are those that are made simply by...
00:29:41
Speaker
you know the authorities in that position and and NIMBYism and the influences on local communities by um by by by lobbyists, by you know very, very well-backed, well-funded, single-focused groups,
00:29:58
Speaker
feels as big a hurdle as any of the um you know the dotting of the eyes and crossing of the t's that the more bureaucratic process would have you go through so yeah very difficult a bit of a postcard lottery on on one front and just ah a very a tough swim against a very strong tide on ah on ah a community level.
00:30:21
Speaker
But I suppose looking forward as well, something will have to give, won't it, when you look at the... well what What are we going to eat, Tom? Because the rate we're going, you know we we are um forcing out our our farmers and our food producers and our and our growers by ever tightening, ever more restrictive levels um you know regulation or condition or or or changing laws.
00:30:46
Speaker
And of to to my mind, we don't seem to be taking food security, food resilience seriously. and no And that that in the in the, not even in the long term, in the near future, feels as though we're we're just one crisis, whatever that form that might take, away from bare shells again. You know, we've got really short memories. And there's definitely no crises going on this week, is there? What could possibly happen, you know?
00:31:14
Speaker
could go wrong? There we are. Anyway, brilliant. That'll do for this week, won't it? That will. Good to see you. See you again next week. Great. All right. Bye-bye.