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24. Omega | Born into Fraternity Life with Tom Murphy
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Tom Murphy was born into fraternity life--no, really. It also means that Tom has a deep appreciation for fraternity (and sorority) life and the value that it holds for students. In this episode, Tom visits to talk about how, as a legacy member of Phi Mu Delta, he grew up in fraternity life and gravitated toward FSL leadership, even guiding him to become the executive director of the Northeast Greek Leadership Association.
About the Guest
Tom Murphy has been recognized as an innovative and progressive leader in the fraternity/sorority industry for nearly 30 years. Most recently, he served as the executive director of Phi Mu Delta Fraternity for seventeen years. Before Phi Mu Delta, Tom was an experienced fraternity/sorority advisor with positions at Gustavus Adolphus College, Lycoming College, and Monmouth University. Prior to his professional role with Phi Mu Delta, Tom served on the fraternity’s National Council, serving as vice president and national president.
Tom has been recognized by his peers with the Association of Fraternity/Sorority Advisors' Sue Kraft Fussell Distinguished Service Award and NGLA’s Phillipi Award and Guenzler Award. In addition, he has served on the North-American Interfraternity Conference’s Governing Council, the AFA Foundation Board, and the Board of Directors of the Fraternity Executives Association.
Tom understands the power of a strong and thriving fraternity community on campus. In particular, Tom is dedicated to empowering the Interfraternity Council and campus fraternities to be transformative agents and to provide superior experiences for their members.
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Transcript
Introduction to EthelCast and its Focus
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So when I started doing EthelCast, of course, of course, I wanted to talk about leadership and great leadership practices that could really help college members of fraternities and sororities.
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So I had this idea. And the idea was that the first episode would be episode alpha and the last episode would be episode, uh-huh, omega.
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It's episode omega. Guess what? I'm not done. I'm going to keep this thing going because I have a lot of other things that I want to talk about in terms of Greek life leadership, especially for college members.
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And hopefully what I have done so far is stuff that is helped out. But enough about that. We're going to keep this thing going after this
Guest Introduction: Tom Murphy
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episode. In the meantime, enjoy this conversation with Tom Murphy, who is the executive director of the Northeast Greek Leadership Association.
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Very cool. I can't wait for you to hear this episode of Ethocast.
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Welcome to Ethocast, a podcast about sound leadership practices to boost life in college fraternities and sororities. I'm Eddie Francis, presenter of Followership to Leadership and the Black Greek Success Program, presentations designed to help Greeks become more ethical. effective leaders on ether cast i'll share lessons learned from my college days my career journey and leadership research ether cast is a four-hour edification limited series and presented by edify ventures this is ether cast leadership to the letter thank you so much for joining me on ether cast i'm eddie francis and joining me is uh one of my one of my very cool colleagues they call him murph
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Tom Murphy, who is um the executive director of the Northeastern Greek Leadership Association. hey man, thank you so much for joining me. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. It's been a long time no see.
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Yeah, know. It's been a long time since that crawfish etouffee and gumball lunch and everything. It's just last for ah what Saturday.
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Yep, absolutely,
Tom Murphy's Greek Life Background
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man. So, you know, um in in thinking about leadership and fraternity and sorority life, you are one of those people whose story I love to hear.
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You know, I've heard you tell it a couple of times. And i think that because you have such a great story, you have a very deep connection to what fraternity life really means. And first of all, let's start with the story.
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How did you get into fraternity life? Well, you know, I really didn't have a lot of choice. If you know, that as you know, the story, I was I was literally born into it. ah That's my favorite part of the story. A lot of people can say that, ah you know, most people are introduced to it in their college years or maybe have a a family member who was a member and talks about their days. But I was literally born into it. I was ah my parents both attended Keene State College in southern New Hampshire.
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and back in the early 70s. And ah my dad joined the Phi Mu Delta chapter there, the new Omicron chapter. And I was the very first legacy my parents had me while they were still in college.
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And so Yeah. When I was born, I was not brought to my home. i was brought to the fraternity house to be showed off. Are you serious? what That was the first step. That was the first stop. The first stop after the hospital was not to my home was not, you know, to the grocery store to for mom to buy groceries. It was let's go show Tom off to all the brothers at the family Delta house.
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um So, yeah. And then, you know, we're gonna do a little bit of a time skip here, but you know, when you're very young, this isn't um a major time skip. My father joins the Navy. We go away for four years, come back to the community, back to Keene State. My dad came back and, run you know, happens to go on campus and meet with one of his mentors who at that time, you know, back then they called it the Dean of Men and the Dean of Women.
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So he meets with the Dean of Men, early Ernie Gendron. And Ernie said that there was a job on campus as a residence hall director. And if he was interested, they'd love to hire him. and Next thing we know we're moving into like campus into a residence hall.
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This is 1979 and I'm not quite seven years old yet. And my dad gets reengaged with the fraternity and sorority community at King State.
Tom's College Experience and Phi Mu Delta
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And then the guys, the chapters obviously still active on campus asked him to attend.
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what we in my fraternity call a conclave, which is what we call our national convention. And my dad, they're like, we need an alumni to come up and represent us. And will you come up to Burlington, Vermont and join us? and he's like, sure.
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And he comes back the national vice president. ah Yeah. So it kind of gives you an idea of what was kind of going on in the world in the late 70s and fraternities and sort of kind of a hectic time.
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Find Me Delta had lost its national headquarters in 77. It was an all volunteer driven organization at that point. And so anyone who showed any kind of spirit, any kind of initiative to get involved was kind of pulled right in as soon as possible. and watch my dad from 1980, essentially, when that meeting took place until 1990, when I graduated from high school, be away a lot to, as my mom will tell you, to kind of deal with all the problems and the campuses put out fires and support what was going on. And, um you know, I'm not going to sound like a sad, you know, a sad story here, but there there were, you know, there were baseball games and things that my dad was away for because he was taking care of fraternity business.
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Yeah. um And so when it got to, you know, I used to go the chapter house all the time. Growing up, we would sell hoagies for events or whatever we were trying to do, dad always brought us over there because that the guys were always felt compelled to buy candy from the national vice president's son.
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And by the time I'm in high school, I only applied to campuses that had chapters. And my mind was absolutely set. I was going to go to Penn State.
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I think the story and, you know, of course, when my parents see this video, they're going to correct me, I'm sure, on a couple items. But You know, legends, if if the legends better than the story, go with the legend. Right. yeah The legend is that my grandfather had always wanted to go there. My my paternal grandfather and i I had wanted to go there.
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And we had made arrangements, you know, the college visits with with your family. And my father said, you know, I know this really great little school on the way there called Susquehanna University. I think you'd really like it.
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And I'm like, OK, Dad. Yeah, sure. Whatever. We're on the road. We get on campus. This is the day before we go to Penn State. We have tickets to the game against Alabama. And I'm walking around campus and literally everyone's saying hello to me.
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I didn't go to school there. it i felt it was It was small. I think Susquehanna at the time had 1,200 students total, which was the same size as my high school. And we go to Penn State the next day. I stayed in the chapter house. You know, the guys were kind of winding by me while I was there.
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We go to Penn State. I had a blast, but it was just too big. And I remember turning to my dad and just saying, dad i I can't see. I felt like I was going to get swallowed up there. And I said, hey, do you mind if we go back to Susquehanna on the way home? I think I want to, you know, they have this early decision program there that had all these benefits if you if you applied and were admitted.
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And I think that's what I want to do. But I want to I want to be sure. And we did. We went back and sure enough, I get home and I only sent out, you know, I was looking at several schools. I only sent out one application at that time, which was the early decision for Susquehanna.
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And on December 17th, I got admitted in 1989. And I never applied anywhere else because as soon as you accepted that, there were all these, you got the priority and registration and priority was, you know, all that.
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Now, the mind you, Susquehanna, I think at the time, if I remember right, was about $18,000 a year, which today sounds pretty inexpensive. But in 1990, it was a lot of money. Back then, that was that was a chunk of change back then. Yeah. And I'm like, how am I going to pay for this?
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Yeah. and got very fortunate that Susquehanna wanted to diversify their population. They had a lot of central Pennsylvania, North Jersey guys and gals. And I came from New Hampshire and they were looking, I remember when we showed up, there were about eight of us from New Hampshire and that was, we were kind of highlighted that, Hey, look, we're kind of pulling in students from other places. So they worked really hard to get me there.
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Long story short, and I'm not getting, this a whole other program that we could do, but I ended up joining the chapter my senior year. Um, um I was a bio major. I got very engaged in my work.
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i was going to get I was on a course to get a PhD in freshwater ecology. And yeah, ah in fact, ended up going to graduate school at the University of New Hampshire for that master's degree.
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While I'm there, I restart the Phi Mu Delta chapter at New Hampshire and get involved with Greek life there. And I'm like, I don't want to be
Tom's Career in Greek Life
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a college professor. I think I want to work with fraternities and sororities and By the grace of God, this guy, Andy Robeson, who became a really dear friend, in fact, just saw him in Denver this year at at the FAA meeting, helped me find my first job. And I worked at Gustavus Adolphus College, a little college out in Minnesota. Yeah. Lost everything I owned in a tornado that leveled the campus my first year there.
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That's another whole conversation. decided to come back east where the worst thing I had ever encountered was a hurricane.
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I worked for a little while. The only time I didn't work with fraternities and sororities in my professional career was at Penn State Berks. I worked with Residence Life there, which was a branch campus of the Penn State campus.
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Then went to work at Lycoming College in Williamsport, Pennsylvania, where today they're starting the Little League World Series. So that's world famous Williamsport. Shout out to them. And then ended up at Monmouth University on the on the Jersey Shore.
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And it was at that time that, uh, by that time I had been elected national vice or national president of FIMI Delta. And we were sinking ship. The fraternity was going to go out of business. And I, here I am at the helm.
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Our then national vice president was, uh, Paul Kittle. Paul at the time was Auburn. A lot of people in the, in the fraternity world know Paul. He's currently the chance vice chancellor for student affairs at the university of Houston.
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At that time he was down in, uh, at Auburn and I turned to Paul, I said, but Paul, would you bring Find Me Adults to your campus? And both of us unequivocally said no. said, boy, that's not some pride right there. And we put together a plan in 2006 to stop being an all volunteer organization and to have paid staff and to rebuild the organization.
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I was hired as the executive director. Paul took over as president. And within two to three years, we had turned the ship completely around and started growing. And I was FIME Delta's executive director for 17 years.
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In that time, I opened 21 chapters. 2,500 men joined the organization, which constitutes about 23% of our living current living alumni all joined during the time I was president our executive director.
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um And that, but I got burnt out and it was time to, you know, I used to tell people, no, when it was time as a leader to pass the torch. And I figured that was my time two years ago, uh, following COVID and all that.
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And, uh, did that resigned and was very fortunate that the the stars were aligned and NGLA had had a failed search for an executive director. And I kind of came in and said, Hey, I heard that you might be interested in hiring somebody. How about you consider me?
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And two years ago, they hired me to be NGLA's executive director. The views expressed on EthelCast do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts, guests, or any entities with which this podcast's participants are affiliated. Questions, comments, email eddie at eddiefrancis.com.
Challenges in Fraternity Life
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In your executive director position, What were some of the problems that you saw that were common among fraternity life?
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And you just kept saying to yourself, this is something we need to work on. This is something I would love to address when I get the opportunity. Oh, wow. That's a great question. you know, I will say I fell into a little bit of a trap. I served on a lot of boards that will't woke me up to, ah used to think that Find Me Delta was like everybody else.
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And I know everybody likes to play this game of, oh, we're different. But but Fiber Delta had, you know, less than 20 chapters by the time I left, you know, and we really were different. And one of the things I try to do that i to answer your question was, how do we take advantage of that special niche?
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How does that make us a niche organization? So what I you know, one of the problems I used to hate was, well, I'm a Fiber Delta, but I joined at Susquehanna and I joined at Penn State. So you're, you know I'm like, wait a minute.
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We all shared the same ritual here. We all pledged ourselves. And, you know, I have, I haven't shared all the details, but like the three men that were the groomsmen in my wedding were all from three different chapters of Find Me Delta. They weren't guys from my chapter.
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And I really embraced as I got out of college, this idea. And part of it was my dad's involvement. Right. But like, this is a national fraternity. We're not international, but you know, you're in something bigger than a so and a local chapter existence.
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And so something I worked really hard on was getting the high levels of engagement within our chapters. So guys were seeing each other two, three, even four times a year.
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And so we slowly started to get, you know, wait, like by the time I left, nobody was saying I am Phi Phi Delta from so-and-such. It's just, I'm a brother. You're a brother. Welcome brother. You know what i mean? And um that is something that I really am proud that we worked on and and really have, you know, facilitate. But again, I don't know if I could have done that if we were 60 or 100, you know, chapter organization.
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We were very lucky that I could bring in, for example, at our officers academy, the top five officers from every chapter and how only have 100 guys in the room. Yeah. Right. And so what you saw is just like my example that I gave of,
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Three men not for my chapter standing up for me at my wedding. Those same relationships I started to see with others. So the best friends are are cross chapter friends. And I just thought that was really cool.
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I think that is a beautiful thing because, I mean, not um I mean, I see the same thing. I i definitely have frat brothers who say, well, I was initiated at such and such university.
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So that's what my loyalty is. And I'm not so sure about the rest of the frat. And my response to that is, well, take those letters off because clearly you decided that your allegiance is to your chapter and not to the fraternity. So I'm not sure why you even have the fraternity letters on.
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And some people try to conversate it by putting their chapter letters on a test. And they're like, no, but it's still the same colors. so and And you know, another conversation I used to have, especially as I was restarting chapters, who who's going to do that?
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If you have a closed chapter, who's going to do that? You? Are you as an alumni group, as a bunch of guys going to just go through the residence halls and and recruit a bunch of guys? to say like It's the national organization that is the foundation of everything that we do.
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And I know that's a little self-serving when you're the executive director and you're ah an officer and you bought into the idea of national. But the the reality is the the local chapter is only really capable of empowering at the local level. It's never going to grow the organization beyond that. It's never going to grow...
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the um ah culture and all the things that come along. I mean, that's the other thing that I loved is as we grew, chapters started doing things that then became part of the national organization, right? So then started at a local identity, but because of these friendships,
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spread very quickly in positive ways, not the negative. you know, I can't think of a negative one right now, but like, you know, really traditions. I'll give one. For example, we ended up adding a new ritual to our organization because one of our chapters did this as a way to emphasize the three pillars of our organization. it's called the three pillars ritual.
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I didn't participate in that when I was an undergrad. I have now done it as an alumnus and see it everywhere. And it's part it's now part of the core of who we are as an organization.
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Just because I didn't do it at my chapter 30 years ago doesn't make it any less meaningful. you know So I think that's that's that's the beauty of recognizing that we are bigger than just a local chapter.
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So let's talk about your capacity with NGLA. So with NGLA, when you take a look at the the fraternity, sorority life world, what kinds of issues are you seeing right now that continue to come up that, especially at the conference, you want to make sure that NGLA addresses?
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Yeah. You know, boy, the world is moving really fast. I think that's the first thing I'm starting to realize. Maybe it's just a symptom of me getting older and thinking that, you You know, I was just talking with a friend this morning. There's a theory that your brain is kind of like a hard drive.
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So when you're younger and it's not as filled up, that things feel slower. But as we get older, that hard drive fills. And so things feel like they're moving quicker. But yeah, that being said, it's funny. I um'm start i just got accepted at AFA for a program that I'm going to do with Maria Smith.
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on engagement because one of the things that we're talking and seeing is this very transactional generation. And we all had some transactionalness when we were younger too. So this is not necessarily new thing, but there's a lot, I see a lot more of it.
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um A lot of the basis of the conversations I'm having with current members is this, I paid my dues, what am I getting tomorrow for it? Disconnected from the idea that this is an investment for a lifetime of, and hopefully a lifetime of engagement.
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and the choices that you make. um So there's a lot of those types of conversations going on. The reality is we should always be pruning. And what I mean by that is things like hazing prevention, sexual assault, mental illness. I don't ever see those subject matters going, you know, us no longer talking about them. What I am seeing is that they're becoming more intersectional in other conversations.
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um for the northeast in particular and i i'm speaking to the northeast we're very challenged membership wise the reality is that the enrollment cliff that everybody's been talking about that's coming is is is supposed to hit the noise it is hitting the northeast more than probably any other part so you have less students going to college in the northeast um one of the things i'm seeing i think i talked to you about this when we were in florida is how many of my own friends from the northeast whose kids are not even going to school northeast They're going to school at Alabama, Oklahoma, you know Florida. they they They don't want it. So what you're seeing is, and unfortunately, in my opinion, some schools who are really struggling to find high quality students in the Northeast.
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And those are the students that we want to see join our organization. So there's a struggle. I think some schools are doing a great job, but they're the exception, not the rule right now in the Northeast. And so post-COVID, I feel like we still haven't really kind of come out of this membership slump.
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that I, by the way, started before COVID. I think i need that i think that point needs to be made. i think we far too often blame COVID for our issues. COVID just kind of sped things up. It would just grease the wheel a little bit.
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The reality is I started to see some of these trends in about 2017, 2018, a full three, you know two to three years before COVID came in. um But post-COVID, there's some challenges. Now, there's some groups who are doing a really great job with this. They've really leaned in.
Engagement and Leadership Opportunities
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and And where they're being successful and where I want NGLA to be successful is having genuine conversations about what engagement looks like. Follow through on promises. And that's, frankly, always been a problem. what we what we What we advertise during recruitment is does not always become what it is as a member. That has been a universal problem, but it's even more of a problem now.
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Because if you don't quickly get into that transactional relationship, students are out. They're just there. And the other thing is, it's like a fire hose of information and involvement, right?
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Students have so much being thrown at them right now and are high expectations, right? So they don't know quite how to do that. And the last thing I want to kind of address that I definitely see us needing to address at NGLA is think students are really afraid to fail right now. So they don't even, they don't put themselves in a position to fail because they're afraid to fail.
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Yeah. Yeah. And that's on us. That's a societal thing that we did to them. Yeah. You know, i I would agree with that. I would agree with that. i I think it's the same thing. And, you know, these are conversations I have with my own son who's in college and how he is really hesitant sometimes to try things. He's gotten to the point where he's starting to try more things. But going into that, he was very hesitant and is common. like his his friend His friends were like that.
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But I am also hearing the same thing in fraternities and sororities. And I'm really glad you brought up that point that this started to happen before COVID. Yeah. Because I think we have gotten comfortable saying, oh, well, you know, it's COVID. COVID really disrupted a lot of things.
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But that I'm glad you pointed that out. Right. The other problem with that, too, is, oh, once we just get it some distance from COVID, this will all return to some so sense of before. And I don't know. The world has changed.
00:21:53
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And that's scary for all of us because that's a complete paradigm shift. And when paradigms shift, it's hard to figure out what you're going to do. yep But the way I see it, I see it very freeing. Like, okay, if it's a paradigm shift, then I can't really fail if I try.
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um That's a good point. I love the way you think of it. Yeah, because yeah because now the the road is wide open for us to try another direction. Correct. Yeah. So let me ask you this, especially someone who is in a kind of leadership position at UN, what is your big dream for fraternity and sorority life?
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ah Wow. that's a Again, you're asking really good questions today, which is what I would expect from somebody doing a podcast. But I think... um I'm using that big Loyola brain of mine. You know, and this is said by other people. This is, I'm going to steal something that, you know, Pete Smith Heisler said all the time when he was at the ni And I agreed with him and I will continue till my dying breath.
00:22:53
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I believe there is no better developmental engagement, college engagement organization on campus today when done correctly. Those are the key words than a fraternity experience.
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So in my world is I want there to be healthy, safe, values driven organizations that allow the opportunity for all quality students to be engaged in my dream you know My dream is, look, I recognize fraternity is not for everybody, and that's OK, too. By the way, I'm not I'm not suggesting. but I think, and I think a little differently here. I've gotten into actually some recent arguments about this. Like, I'm somebody who does believe that brotherhood and sisterhood is something that should be given away.
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Hmm. Okay. It's a gift. And it's a gift that was meant to be given away. And by the way, that is not my phrase. That is Sam Waltermeyer, who replaced me Find Me Dots, came up with that when he was an undergrad.
00:23:54
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And... i've I've completely bought into that. And yes, do should we make sure that people live our values and they share those values? Yes, i check all those boxes. And I'm not suggesting that we give invitations to every person who comes to the door. That's not the conversation I'm having.
00:24:10
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What I'm having is the conversation that says, if somebody shares our values, there should be no question that that person joins us. There should be no question that we invite that person to join us.
00:24:21
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And there should be no so no question that that person is able to identify that they should join us. by the things that we do, not by the letters we're wearing, but the things that we do on campus on a regular basis, there should be men and women going, that is what I want because I share those values. And gosh darn it, if that's the case, then we should be sharing that as a gift.
Vision for Values-Driven Greek Organizations
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That is so, you know, and and I've actually had this thought lately, yeah you know, with with the conversations that I've had with folks about Greek life is that what we do, I kind of think the same thing. What we do isn't just for us.
00:24:57
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You know, what we do is to be an example to communities. And so when I take a look at some of the, you know, chaos that might happen in an organization, you know, at work or someplace like that,
00:25:10
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i I kind of chuckle to myself and say, you know, in fraternity life, we we have this part figured out. This is how we handle this so that way everybody can move on and do what we need to do, because we need to move on from this problem.
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And I do think there are a lot of opportunities for us in fraternity and sorority life to serve as shining examples to communities. So I love this concept. that, yeah, we should give it away.
00:25:37
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um and And I think there are ways to do that with us without us feeling as if we're we're losing our souls. Right, right. I'm not saying that you undermine the core values of the organization. That's not what I'm suggesting. And I've had that challenge to be like, well, not everybody should join. um That's not the conversation i'm having. Right. No, no, that's not it. right The conversation is It should be, I should, you know, somebody should know exactly that I'm a Phi Phi Delta, not because I'm wearing a letter or the badge on my chest, but because of what they consistently see me do regularly throughout the community.
00:26:08
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And then they should be able to say, i share that and I want to be with you and join you in doing that. and And then I need to be open to welcoming them in through the door, you know?
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um So it's kind this is an area where I think the Masons do it right, you know? Okay. so i would i would agree with that. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I would agree. I've got arguments there, too, that their numbers are down and all that. And and I think they could do a little bit better but better job of advertising their values. But I do think the idea of, you know, um I know a lot of my friends who are are Masons, and I asked them how they became a Mason, they'll say, well, you know I have other people, my my grandfather, I watched them, and I said, I want to emulate that. And the idea is, you know, ask one to join one.
00:26:51
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I think that can become the root of what we do.
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outstanding Tom Murphy. He is the executive director of the Northeast Greek Leadership Association and a great speaking colleague. Hey, man, thank you so much for joining me on EtherCast. Yeah, always. This is a pleasure. Thanks so much.
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