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15. Omicron | Mindfulness in Greek Life with Brandy Wilson Edwards
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Known for her #SelfLoveChallenge, Brandy Wilson Edwards is big on mindfulness. She visited "Ethocast" to talk about how she has conquered a "horrible inner critic" to accept who she is unconditionally. In this conversation, you will hear why mindfulness and emotional intelligence should be a big part of fraternity and sorority members' personal and chapter growth so that they don't burn out before even reaching graduation from college.
About the Guest
With her passion for pink and yoga, Brandy Wilson Edwards is, by many measures, a unique attorney. A passionate speaker, well-being advocate and author, she works with organizations that value well-being and want to use the power of mindset to create happier, engaged, confident, and productive professionals. Brandy infuses personal stories and struggles to teach college students and professionals how to take control of their lives as they pursue and achieve their potential, both personally and professionally.
Brandy's J.D. is from Oklahoma City University School of Law, and she earned her undergraduate degree from the University of North Texas . She is a member of Alpha Delta Pi sorority, a Greek University speaker, and a member of the programming committee for the Institute for Well-Being in Law. She is the founder of the Self-Love Challenge™ and certified to teach yoga and mindfulness.
Brandy embraces both self-love and sobriety as a lifestyle, and encourages audiences to adopt her life mantra “Be Strong and Courageous.”
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Transcript
Introduction to Mindfulness in Greek Life
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mindfulness. Now, it may not be the first thing that you think about when we're talking about Greek life, but I think it should probably be a cornerstone of Greek life because of that brotherhood and sisterhood thing. You know what? I'll let Brandi Wilson Edwards tell you all about it on this episode, Omicron of Ethocast.
Ethocast and Its Focus on Greek Leadership
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Welcome to Ethocast, a podcast about sound leadership practices to boost life in college fraternities and sororities. I'm Eddie Francis, presenter of Followership to Leadership and the Black Greek Success Program, presentations designed to help Greeks become more effective. effective leaders. On Ethocast, I'll share lessons learned from my college days, my career journey, and leadership research. Ethocast is a four-hour edification limited series and presented by Edify
Guest Introduction: Brandi Wilson Edwards
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Ventures. This is Ethocast, leadership to the letter.
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Thank you so much for joining EthoCast. I'm Eddie Francis. And joining me is Brandi Wilson-Edwards. She's an attorney. She's a speaker. She's a member of Alpha Delta Pi, also one of my Greek university colleagues. Brandi, how you doing? I'm doing great today. Thank you for having me.
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No problem. Brandy is in one of my old stomping grounds. I used to live in the Dallas Fort Worth area I lived in North Dallas and Brandy and I we did a little Dallas talk what we've met and it was good to see you again at the ah Greek retreat the Greek University retreat in Dallas ah over the summer So it was it was good to be back It was good to hang out and good old Bishop arts and all that good stuff again I know back in your old stomping grounds a little bit.
Brandi's Journey to Self-Love and Personal Development
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Yes, yes, just a little bit. So I don't know if you can tell this or not if you are watching the podcast on YouTube or if you are checking it out on social, but Brandy likes pink. Just a little bit. Just a little bit.
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You know, um when, um you know, i'd I'd say this every time I speak to one of our Greek university colleagues, I heard the stories. I love the stories that everyone had to tell. the All stories that college students can benefit from. and I went to your social media and I saw that you have the self-love challenge, which is really, really cool. Talk about that. What is it with you and how did you come up with this self-love challenge? What's the story behind it? The story behind it is very unique in the sense that it really just came to me
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I was on an unintentional self-love journey years ago, and I was doing hot yoga. I was reading a lot of personal development books, going to a lot of events. And I've always had a horrible inner critic, a mean girl in inside of my mind with negative thoughts, disempowering thoughts. And I noticed these subtle changes in my life as I was going to yoga, I had a phenomenal instructor and reading books and working on my mindset and realizing that I could take control of my thoughts and how I chose to feel about myself. And one day when I was in class, I had also been posting inspirational content online. And a lot of it was about acceptance and compassion and not judging yourself and meeting yourself where you're at.
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And one day in yoga, I had it come to me, the self-love challenge, because I love a challenge. I was always working on various goals and things like that. And it was something that was really just curated over time naturally. And so the self-love challenge was born. And I really doubled down on the self-love content initially, helping both women and men really reach a place where they could accept themselves without
Benefits of Yoga and Mindfulness for Stress Management
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conditions. And that takes a lot of work.
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And knowing that we can always be a work in progress while also still choosing to accept and love ourselves in and the moment. Wow, that's cool. The dog loves the self-love challenge too. I love that. that the background The views expressed on Ethocast do not necessarily reflect the views of the hosts, guests, or any entities with which this podcast's participants are affiliated. Questions, comments, email eddie at eddiefrancis.com.
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I have to tell you, I don't do it enough, but I love doing yoga and it's really interesting the kinds of things that'll come to you in those moments.
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Especially when you're in a particular pose or if you are doing the deep breathing when you are really really focusing on your breathing It really is interesting the kind of stuff that will come to you in those moments And so with you it sounded like just over the course of time It just kept building and building and building you were really connected in your practice. So you are connected in your practice It sounds like Yes. And I'm so glad that you highlighted your experience with yoga because I had a very similar experience where when I first started yoga, I went to class. I had never done it before. It was a hot yoga class to really yoga was your first one. Yes. Yes. There was no gentle yoga practice at the beginning. It was straight into hot yoga. And the funny thing is, is they called it a beginner class, which I thought was hilarious because I was like, there's nothing beginner about this class, but no
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But when I went, my mentality was this was just another tool for me to work on my body, lose body fat, get leaner, build muscle. And it doesn't matter why anyone goes to the mat. Because eventually, if you keep showing up, you will start to have not only a transformation physically, but more so mentally and spiritually, I feel like as well. And so while it was the same poses in every single class with the sequence that I was doing at my studio, I started to reflect on and off of the mat. I would start to calm the chatter in my mind and really just have a new perspective on so many different things, including how I felt about myself and self-image and things like that. and
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It's so beautiful, the power of yoga, because it's so much more than the poses. That is really just a catalyst to that self-awareness, that reflection that is really transformational. Yeah, yeah. My wife had this joke with me that we would go to yoga class. Actually, when we were living in Dallas, we would go to yoga class. And one day she looked at me and she goes, you are always so happy after these classes. And when I was, I was really, it did they really enhanced my mood a lot. So um I actually miss going to those classes a lot. So I have to ask though, as an attorney, how does how does this play into your life as an attorney?
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Well, number one, yoga and in being mindful and intentional and and things like that, it is an incredible way to manage stress in an empowering way because we all have choices and we can cope with stress in a variety of different ways. I have coped with stress in the past with drinking and and things. I stopped drinking almost seven years ago, but Thank you so much. Thank you. Yoga and and mindfulness in general is just a great way with respect to your question and and being an attorney and being in the legal profession. It's demanding. It's stressful. There are deadlines. there there is so There's so much going on and it's just a great way to decompress. It's a wonderful way to move my body, to connect with myself, to be present and really just an empowering way to manage stress because
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there are a lot of disempowering things that we can do and we feel stressed and we can make productive choices or destructive choices. And so for me, it's been really great to ground myself in in taking a moment to pause and and slow down because I was not used to that. Yeah, again, I went to yoga as a way just to add something on my to do list to, you know, ah get stronger in different ways. And it's really allowed me to slow down to to be present and to really be grounded, which I've noticed, you know, doing this more than a decade now, it's been powerful. a You talk a lot about mindfulness. What is that?
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Mindfulness, it can be a lot of different things and and how people describe it, but just in very basic terms, I would describe it as being present without judging the present moment. So just noticing, really. If you were to think about one word for mindfulness, you could think about it as noticing. And mindfulness, I think people often think that it has to be meditation, where your eyes are closed,
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And you're listening to absolutely nothing. It's silent. And you're just supposed to have zero thoughts. And that's either by yourself or in a guided meditation with an instructor. And meditation is one way that you can practice mindfulness. But mindfulness is simply being present in the moment, being present. And we all have
Mindfulness in Greek Life: Stress Management and Focus
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stressors. We have challenges. We have things on our to-do list. We have you know for the members listening, sorority and fraternity obligations, ah so many different things. And we also have that inner roommate, the inner dialogue that we have with ourselves. And so being mindful being mindful and being present allows you to notice everything that's happening in your mind, everything that's happening around you, the distractions, the stress, all of it, but being able to come back into the present moment because it's really easy to go through the motions and be on autopilot
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and in realize, you know, especially kind of when you're driving and you realize, okay, I've been driving for 30 minutes. How did I get to my destination, even though you were paying attention with the lights and things like that. But it's taking yourself off of autopilot, which requires intention and being present. And you're always going to be distracted and coming back to the present moment.
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up, uh, what it looks like in fraternity sorority members, because i'veve so I've asked of a few people on this podcast, you know, what is it about Greek life that makes us so different? And.
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from the responses I've gotten and also just listening to myself talk about Greek life, listening to what you just said. Number one, there's always something going on. I think number two, you're always surrounded by these really strong personalities, constantly surrounded by strong personalities. And I think one thing that we tend to do in Greek life is we tend to put a lot on ourselves. You know, we can be hyper competitive. We can also be hyper critical.
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um And sometimes we are just reaching for perfection in certain things. And so with all of that being said, from your standpoint, especially as a sorority woman, how do you see mindfulness coming into play with Greek life and fraternity and sorority members?
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That is a great question. And it's it's one that I wish I had the answer to when I was in college because i didn't want it i it I did not find all of these amazing perspectives and practices until long after. So I'm so glad that you are hosting a podcast like this. We're having these incredible thoughtful conversations. But mindfulness it with respect to Greek life, it when you're present and aware and you're not judging what's happening, it can help you in so many different ways. Number one, sorting for eternity members, it can help them manage their stress. So ah the breathing exercises that you can do, the meditation, of course, but also being mindful with if you're going to the gym and and and being focused on what you're doing and not multitasking, not scrolling on social media in between.
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in between the stair stepper, the sets that you're doing with the weights. Stress management, you know, is one aspect. With sorority and fraternity life, mindfulness can help increase focus and productivity. And so that shows up in having better time management. Again, not multitasking, not going to the library and also doing five other things. It's just being present where you are at and doing that and then noticing whatever is happening that's trying to distract you and you can get to that later or you can you know add that on your to-do list later. Also, with sorting for attorney to members, mindfulness can be helpful. When you talk about earlier, you said the perfection, that that stress that we have to be perfect and that's exhausting and that will that will follow you into your careers for all of the members listening that that strive for perfection and feeling like you can't have any errors and
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Um, you just always have enough for giving yourself for making
Addressing Burnout in College and Professional Life
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mistakes. Yes, because that's part of it It's it's not only part of being younger, but it's part of just being a human being Mistakes are always going to happen and we always have room to improve and so mindfulness can help with emotional resilience having that compassion For ourselves that is so needed but not only compassion for ourselves but compassion for the members because it's really easy to judge someone and and judge why they are doing something or why they have a certain behavior, especially when it comes to standards meetings and what a powerful shift it could be if everyone started to meet their members with more compassion and understand each other a little bit more and and create ah
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a safer space, if you will, where people feel like they can open up and not be judged because ah oftentimes certain behaviors are symptoms of other things. So emotional resilience and then and just the compassion piece is huge for ourselves and others. Yeah, yeah. You're listening to Ethocast. I'm Eddie Francis. We're talking to Brandy Wilson Edwards. She's an attorney and speaker member of Alpha Delta Pi, ah one of my colleagues with Greek University. So I have a question.
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We, you and I, we, we, I think we agree that we really wish we had understood concepts like mindfulness in college because I'm going to ask you about burnout and I did have a burnout experience in college, but I have to ask you this. Do you think that Brandy in college would listen to Brandy today? I do. And I feel like so much of my content that I create now,
00:15:07
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It stems from what Brandy needed to hear years ago, what the current version of myself needs to hear, and also what the future version of myself needs to hear. And because I write my content and create my content in that way, I think that's why it's so relatable to so many people, whether it's college students or attorneys or other professionals.
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yeah ah Yeah, I think I would have listened to myself. I really do because you know I actually told the group of Southeastern Louisiana University, you know I spoke there recently. And but one of the things I told them is that I really wish I had gotten some kind of mentorship as a as a you know chapter president in college. um But I also told them I didn't ask for help either. And and I really do believe that if this version of me, if I had seen the college version of me and said, hey, you know, let's talk for a second. Let's have a pizza and a Coke. I mean, I really think that I would have responded well to that. I think I would have listened to that. And of course, I still would have been a college student about everything. But but I do think some things would have landed with me if I had had that kind of voice or if I had asked
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for that kind of voice. So that's great. I love the confidence that you have that you really feel that you would have listened to this present day you. That's really cool. Very cool. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. So let's talk about burnout. One of your presentations with Greek University is about burnout. It is shine bright instead of burning out.
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why do you think it's so important to talk to college students about burnout? We have our stories, but why do you think it's so important to talk to college students about burnout? It's so important for exactly what you just said. You and I both have our own stories about burnout, whether that, and because I don't know your personal story, but my my story was burnout in my legal career, but so many things were leading up to that point, because like you mentioned, so many sorority and fraternity members,
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They're incredible leaders, but they're also doing so much. They're not asking for help. They are trying to do so many things to put on their resume to get the next job or the career that they want to do whatever education that they want beyond college and students take on so much, not just within their sorority and fraternity, but maybe they're taking on extra things with their family or with their friends. And when you are the strong person for everyone, when you are the go-to person for everyone who will say yes, who will step up,
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That can that can spill over into your professional career and and burnout affects people differently shows up differently. And it's just important to talk about it so that students can recognize the symptoms.
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whether they experienced it or might experience it in college or to help set them up for success professionally when they graduate so that they don't become a statistic or they don't get to that point where it might be too late to And I don't think it's ever too late, um all things considered. but So it just makes their lives a little bit easier in the current in their current space as well as in the future. Yeah. Brandy, branded took me years to figure out that I was burned out in college. because um And I told this story at the Greek University retreat where I really lashed out
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and my frat brothers as a college president or is ah as a chapter president. And years later, I realized that I lashed out because I was burned out. and The way the way the burnout came out in me was lashing out. And so if I'm just thinking, you know, I would love for current college members to recognize that when you do see those unusual behaviors from your frat brothers or your your sorority sisters, um it could be something like burnout. And you're right. I mean, college students have so many demands, not to mention.
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You know, college students have the added demand these days of having pressure from social media, which wasn't even close to the thing when I was in college. um you know and and And they do have that added pressure of constantly looking at social media, looking at what their frat brothers are doing, what their sorority sisters are doing, what the other fraternities are doing, or the other sororities, or even worse, what the other campuses are doing. you know and so They do have that added pressure of why can't we be like that? Why don't we do that they have 400 members in their chapter? Why do we have only 100? You know, I mean, I can I can only imagine some of the thoughts that a lot of these students these days have.
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and how that may contribute to their burnout. I mean, that is that something, you know, in in your conversations with college students, what kinds of thoughts have you heard them express that would make you think, okay, like get let's get you to a place of learning to practice some mindfulness. Let's get you to a place of recognizing that you're burned out and you need to forgive yourself for a second here.
Role of Greek Communities in Emotional Support
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You can be excellent, but you don't have to beat yourself up. but How have you seen that express? How have you heard that express?
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So one thing of of everything that you've just described, a lot of that stems from comparison and competition. yeah And when you were trying to measure up to everybody else, ah especially people or chapters that are doing more than you where they're further along in their journey than you or your chapter are, you're going to fall short and be disappointed and and putting that pressure on yourself. um And then Eventually just burn out of trying so hard or putting so much more on your plate to get to that next level rather than being patient and allowing things to unfold in your time or your chapter's time because what result maybe even or maybe just keeping your journey in context.
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yes Yes, and being patient and and realizing that you can still be great and successful without all of the other things that someone else might be doing or achieving. But how it shows up in conversations that I've had with college students Something that I saw over and over at the leadership conferences for college students that I attended earlier this year was there was a lot of disengage. you know A lot of students were disengaged. They were not being as active in their chapter, and they were struggling with getting students to step into leadership positions to take on extra responsibilities to show up to events.
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And I think some of that stems from people just get tired of having to do everything and be everywhere. Or they also see the burnout and the overwhelm and the stress that some of their leaders have, because they're in certain positions. And so they think, Well, I don't want to have all of those obligations and all of that stress. So I'll just not do it. And then that burns the leader out even more because then they're having to step up. So I see it a lot of in ways of people, students being disengaged, um, either because they're burned out and they're tired or they don't want to be like someone else that they see some of those burnout symptoms. Yeah. That that's a really, really good point. I've actually spoken to a lot of college students who have, they, they they have said, I'm so sick of there being only, you know, 10 of us,
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who are carrying a load for a chapter of 50. Or you see that the chapter president is also the president of something else on campus, the vice president and the secretary of something else. And a lot of times I've noticed that these students, they seem to fear that they are alone. They're the only ones who are living like that. and That's the way I've seen it show up. and And I would say, hey, wait a minute, you're not the only one who's going through this. Trust me, there's another student on this campus going through the same thing. You have a brother or sister at another campus going through the exact same thing. So.
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This is where the whole concept of fraternity and sorority, the brotherhood and sisterhood can really come in handy and and lean on each other, you know, and and talk about this stuff and really get some of this stuff out of your system.
Emotional Intelligence and Conflict Resolution in Fraternities
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That that's one of the things that I have to say, I would really love to see if fraternity and sorority members do just lean on each other that much more in a really healthy way to get the very best out of one another without without it being you know without it being emotional hunger games. you know right right yeah yeah just just ah Just seeing them get the very most out of um out of each other. so So you have a presentation that I think is very, very important. It's called Understand Instead of Reprimand, ah Leveraging Emotional Intelligence for Constructive ah Conflict Resolution, which you just alluded to. So talk about
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the talk about what that looks like, ah you know just expounding a little bit more on what it looks like to have that constructive conflict resolution and and and showing that much, showing that kind of appreciation for each other.
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So what that would look like is is really the purpose of the program is to help increase the members emotional intelligence. yeah There's so much focus on IQ and in academic performance and having the best GPA. And it's, I feel like often overlooked to expand and grow and increase your emotional intelligence and that looks like ah increased self-awareness. And when you can understand yourself better and understand why you think a certain way or why you respond or react a certain way, just like you mentioned when you were burning out and you lashed out on your members, being able to have
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the emotional intelligence to understand in the moment, wow, I made a mistake. This is why it's not an excuse, but this is why and use that as a learning experience rather than just going through the motions as members, having these standards meetings or having these conflicts with each other and not being able to understand each other. And really the program of, you know, understanding and not reprimanding is how incredible would it be if you could come together in in a mediation style, if you will, where you're at the table and instead of it's me versus you, it's the chapter versus you, it's the leaders versus you. How can we understand each other and find a meeting in the middle? And again, that goes back to mindfulness where you practice that compassion and reach a place where you are becoming curious instead of judging. And when people feel seen and heard and understood,
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then I think you have a much better um you increase your chances of a positive resolution. And so that's really the premise of of that program and in helping them increase their emotional emotional intelligence by enhancing their own self-awareness, which then helps them understand each other better.
Expectations and Realities in Greek Life Bonds
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Do you think that as well intentioned as of returning to a sorority, maybe Do you think it may be somewhat of an unrealistic expectation to throw a group of college students together and expect them to just become brothers and sisters? Because we we love we we love our organizations. We love the time that we have in college. And yes, the bond does. It happens. The bond happens. But there are times that I'll look at a chapter and think to myself, OK, you are way, way
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further apart than you realize. And I think that's because the expectation theoretically is ah it might not be as realistic as we think it is sometimes. And so it do because I'm listening to you talk about your presentation and I'm realizing that there's a lot more work that goes into forming these bonds than students may realize. And more than we realize it at points as professionals,
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So does does it, and I really hate to blow up our concept of fraternities or sorority, but does the do you think that maybe sometimes we may have unrealistic expectations? I think what you said is very accurate and it would not be realistic to think that hiring a speaker to go in and give one presentation is going to fix everyone's problems. ah Just like any event that professionals might go to and hear an inspirational talk or a leadership talk,
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there has to be things that happen after that because life happens after a presentation ends and you go back to your routines. So there's a lot of implementation that has to happen so that you actually apply what you learn. um And so it is unrealistic to think that just snapping your fingers. Everyone's going to get along and everything everything's going to be perfect and all your problems are going to be solved. But that doesn't mean that it's impossible. It might be challenging, but change takes time.
00:28:54
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And growth takes time. Working on our individual mindsets, working on our individual goals, working on our collective goals as an organization, change, it all takes time. And so it's just being intentional with the members that you're inviting to be part of your organization so that there is that alignment and then being able to notice and recognize when there is maybe some unmet expectations or misalignment what is the protocol so that we don't continue to.
00:29:28
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ah create a bigger divide. yeah ah it's just and Obviously, that's very different on and how to change ah tackle that particular problem, but you have to have members who want the change, who want the unity, who want to be there, and and be willing to sometimes part ways with people if there are if if
Aligning Expectations and Reinforcing Greek Values
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there's not alignment. And I think on the expectations piece that really goes to my point earlier about asking people, what are your expectations when when you're joining this organization? Or what are your expectations after your first year? What what are you hoping to get out of this year two, year three, year four? Because it is a brotherhood, it is a sisterhood that extends well beyond college.
00:30:17
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um and And you want it to be a great experience for everyone. um And having those conversations, having the courageous conversations, the challenging conversations that everyone's not going to like what they hear. But when everyone can feel like they can express themselves and be heard and that it's not going to necessarily be dismissed. I think that's where you start to see the change and then that's where you start to have the the brotherhood and sisterhood that um everyone thinks of when you think of a successful first fraternity or sorority.
00:30:51
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Yeah, I actually had a few years back. I had a fraternity sorority life director after I presented at the at the campus. They came to me and they said, I'm trying to understand how is it you, everything you said tonight, I said to them already, but now they're listening to you. And I said, well, let me tell you what my job is. You hired me to come in.
00:31:15
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And to not repeat what you said, but to affirm and confirm everything that you're doing as a leader, because now that they hear it from someone else, now they believe it. And so I said, but, you know, now they have marching orders. Now they have to follow through and now they have to do these things and hopefully what i did as a speaker tonight is making your job much easier so that now they can really really understand and buy into what you're trying to do so you know i i really that's really my hope as a speaker that going in
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you know I can plant that seed that can really help the fraternity sorority director, the student activities and director, of the student affairs vice president. It can really plant a seed that'll really get the students to buy in to what it is that they're trying to do at the campus. And that that is the help that I really, really hope that that ah that I can offer and I hope that's what
Conclusion: Leadership Insights from Ethocast
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That's what students do. I hope they take it and run with it in the right way so that people's jobs are much easier. And that's why it's so important to be really consistent on campus with programming, bringing in speakers to talk to the students every year. And it could be a similar message every year because so many students need to hear the same message over and over again. And the reason is because
00:32:44
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You can only take in so much information. You can only make so many changes at one time. And when you're a freshman and you hear a message and then you hear a similar message again the next year, they're in a different place. They have grown. Then when they hear that message again as a junior and they're stepping into more leadership positions, it it just is amazing. The impact that is possible when when campuses prioritize programming and Students hear similar messages over and over again from their advisors from different people their community from speakers Reiterating the same message in different ways. Yeah, absolutely and they keep getting new members. Yes Oh, yeah, they're gonna they're gonna have to they're gonna have to hear that over and over again. Well Brandy Wilson Edwards my colleague with Greek University attorney and speaker. Thank you so much for joining me on etho cast I really appreciate you
00:33:39
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Thank you so much for inviting me. I enjoyed our conversation. It was very enlightening for me. And I know that it will hopefully inspire some of the members listening to make some positive changes in their organization. Ethocast is a four hour edification limited series. If you like what you heard, like and follow this podcast for more leadership insights for your fraternity or sorority chapter to find out how you can bring followership to leadership or the black Greek success program to your campus or a campus near you.
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Email today. Eddie at Eddie Francis dot com. Until next time, spread brotherly and sisterly love wherever you go.