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90. Streamin’ Demons S4 Premiere: Top Horror Docs & New Chillers!
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Streamin' Demons is back for Season 4! We kick things off with a deep dive into the best horror documentaries, including I Am Nancy, Boris Karloff: The Man Behind the Monster, Scream, Queen!, and the Nightmare on Elm Street doc. Plus, we review two brand-new horror films: Companion and A Knight's War. Get ready for chills, thrills, and all things horror! 🎃👹 #HorrorPodcast #HauntedMTL #StreaminDemons
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Introducing Season 4 with Humor and Bets
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Jim Phoenix
Hey, everyone, Jim Phoenix here in season four. Who lost that bet, motherfuckers? That's right. Much like the Kansas City Jeeps, you're a super, but wait, what?
Upcoming Horror Documentaries and New Releases
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Jim Phoenix
and This is pre-recorded, damn it.
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Jim Phoenix
I mean, go Eagles, go. Something like that, I don't know. We've got the best horror documentary, horror or documentaries of whatever year and, yeah, I don't know.
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box
this for
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box
Horrors, horrors of horrors.
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Jim Phoenix
The new releases of Companion of Night's War. All this and more, the next human demons.
Show Format and Co-host Introductions
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box
I'm dancing along for those who can't see me.
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Jim Phoenix
stuff
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Jim Phoenix
What? hey Oh, what?
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Jim Phoenix
I think that's part of our new movie or seems not. There we are. Here we are. Oh, coming back now.
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box
Back to book of the number.
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Jim Phoenix
If. Yeah, if you've missed the last couple of seasons, our show is streaming demons. I am Jim Phoenix. Say hello. It's me.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh, hi. And my co-host is box. Jay and Brannock.
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box
Damn Britney.
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Jim Phoenix
it This is box on your the transcript.
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box
I know, I know, whatever. and You can call me whatever. Just don't call me late for dinner.
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Jim Phoenix
su us But you know what? That's okay.
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box
up
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Jim Phoenix
Sorry. There we go.
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box
There we go.
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Jim Phoenix
Season four streaming demons. We got some surprises coming out. We're doing more theme shows by requests. We're doing some screeners, some new stuff, all that and more. And right now is in this year of our Lord 2025.
Valentine's Day Special on Documentaries
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Jim Phoenix
That's right. Happy Valentine's day motherfuckers. And of course that is going to be our documentary documentaries.
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box
We
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Jim Phoenix
Bitch, we miss Valentine's day.
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box
did. Happy Valentine's Day.
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Jim Phoenix
Happy Valentine's Day. For our Valentine's Day special, we're doing documentaries because we ain't got no love life, I guess. I don't fucking know.
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box
Because the love of film is in our blood.
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Jim Phoenix
Also whiskey.
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box
Or something.
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah, something like that. So if you are in Canada, that means you can no longer drink Jack Daniels, apparently.
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box
No, no boo.
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Jim Phoenix
Booze. That's right.
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box
You earned.
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Jim Phoenix
Booze. Carlos Boozer. Or Coop. Coop. And if you're not in Canada, good luck. That's okay. safe breath Deep breaths.
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box
Deep breaths. Everybody just, everybody calm down.
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Jim Phoenix
Deep breaths.
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box
Stop and take a deep breath out the other. Okay, here we go.
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box
And let it
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Jim Phoenix
Cleansing. I'm not adding that breath out. I'm gonna make Zancaster add all those breaths out. So we just did deep nothings.
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box
And in fact, make more breath in there, please. Like everybody breathing together.
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Jim Phoenix
Yes. Everyone breathe all at once.
Dr. Payne's New TV Show Discussion
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Jim Phoenix
You know, who likes to breathe?
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box
and in This is too long, way too long.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh yeah.
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box
like everybody
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah, Dr.
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box
but
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box
but No, that's a million times too long.
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Jim Phoenix
You know, it's it's all the former staff in some current saying how much they love Dr. Payne and who doesn't?
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box
Except for this, except for this, Brannock.
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Jim Phoenix
well You know what, you don't have to watch this new TV show coming out.
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box
That wasn't it.
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box
You know, I can just skip all that.
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Jim Phoenix
The cartoon, you never believe, okay, for for those who don't know, Payne does have a cartoon that's coming out this year.
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box
a
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Jim Phoenix
There's a new character in the cartoon.
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box
Good luck, everyone.
In-depth Exploration of Horror Movies
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Jim Phoenix
It rhymes with Mo Biden.
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Jim Phoenix
He ain't got shit else to do. Just saying.
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box
Just retire in peace.
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Jim Phoenix
He's doing cartoon voices now, man! Leave him alone, I need this!
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box
Let him retire in please peace wherever he flies.
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Jim Phoenix
I mean, you know.
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Jim Phoenix
that's alright. He'll be fine in cartoons, but you know what's not fine? My nightmares.
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box
What?
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Jim Phoenix
I've had so many of them lately.
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box
Oh, nightmares about liquid ivy.
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Jim Phoenix
Mostly of Snow, but also of Freddy.
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box
Oh.
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Jim Phoenix
Not five nights at Freddy.
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box
Oh. Oh.
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Jim Phoenix
I only spent four nights. so
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Jim Phoenix
I couldn't get the fifth knife, but I was overbooked.
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box
but and It's free. Oh, that's true.
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah, yeah.
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box
It's so popular this time Five days at Freddy's.
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Jim Phoenix
Wait, wait, was it Friday night or Fridays? What the fuck is that? It is five nights.
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box
Yeah.
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Jim Phoenix
So what if you always spend three? It's like a weekend. Hit it back to Chicago.
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box
No, you gotta you gotta spend the five to get your money to get the paycheck of like eight dollars.
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Jim Phoenix
Jesus.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh, this is a freaking Marriott club thing. Oh, whatever.
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box
See, oh, that's oh, oh, oh, Freddy.
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Jim Phoenix
So if... Oh.
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box
on a cruise ship. Five Nights at Freddy on a cruise ship.
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Jim Phoenix
in space. The cruise ship's gotta to be in space.
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box
In space, but also in New York.
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Jim Phoenix
Did Freddie go to space?
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box
Also in New York.
Classic Horror Characters and Their Impact
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Jim Phoenix
Okay, so for those of you who don't know, we're doing a documentary, best of horror documentary show along with some new releases at the end. And we've been talking about this for, I don't know, a couple months now.
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box
A while, yeah, like five years, something like that.
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah, for a bit.
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Jim Phoenix
We've seen Jason go to space and Manhattan.
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box
Yes.
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box
Yes, he takes me in hand.
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Jim Phoenix
We've seen Hellraiser Pinhead go to space and an underground suburb club.
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box
Yeah, he owns a club. That I do remember.
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
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box
I don't remember space.
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Jim Phoenix
I think I've seen him go to, so he had had the green writing on, I think that was a space one for Pinhead.
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box
Maybe space.
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box
Oh, okay.
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
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box
It doesn't, you know, that guy goes everywhere. That doesn't surprise me. I've seen his Insta.
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah, but did Freddie ever go to Manhattan?
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box
Freddie went to, wait, no, Jason went to hell.
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Jim Phoenix
No, the Muppets win the Manhattan.
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box
The muppets looked amazing.
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Jim Phoenix
And space, oh my Christ, the Muppets are monsters. They're fucking killers.
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box
Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Are they, wait, are they in league with like Jason? ah ah Is he a muppet? Is Jason a muppet? Guys, allegedly, allegedly.
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Jim Phoenix
That would explain why they can't fucking kill them.
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Jim Phoenix
That's what he gets fed off of? That was a weird weird drop. I'm learning my drop board again.
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box
That was a weird job.
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Jim Phoenix
So okay, you you have Freddy never going to space as far as I know.
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box
I don't think so.
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Jim Phoenix
But he goes in dreams and astronauts do have dreams.
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box
Yes. Yes, he also goes into a boy. A high school boy.
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Jim Phoenix
Yes, where are we going with this one?
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box
To our theme.
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Jim Phoenix
Allegedly, no rewire theme was not going to high school boys. I don't know what the fuck theme those. That's not my show notes.
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box
No, we're talking, we're
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Jim Phoenix
My show notes said nothing about the Catholic Church. Oh, oh so Jason's a priest.
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box
talking about Scream Queen.
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Jim Phoenix
No, wait, that's Freddie. So Freddie's a priest?
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box
No, I'm talking about our documentary this week, Scream Queen.
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Jim Phoenix
Scream Queen. Oh my God, we're doing documentaries this week. Holy shit, that's a title of the show.
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box
Surprise! yeah
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Jim Phoenix
Season four, Tara Reid calls in next. That's all we need. A little bit of Tara Reid. Actually, Tara Reid does show up in the season. I won't say when, I don't want to spoil it with you or for you, I should say.
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box
Oh, it's rude. Well, is she going to say hi to me?
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah. Oh man, I'm not Tara Reid, so I'm guessing she'll say, it's not like snob. So yeah.
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box
Okay. Okay.
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah. I've been working on it for like a year and a half.
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box
That would be delightful. It would be amazing to come to fruition.
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I know.
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box
And we should do a completely terroried episode.
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Jim Phoenix
Yes, absolutely. We'll do Ouija House and Snarknados and all sorts of weird dash.
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box
Everything.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh, Crow 4.
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box
Mommy dearest. Mommy dearest.
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Jim Phoenix
Mummy Dearest. I'll get Lou for Eggnal. I don't know if I can get right, so documentaries, I'm very lazy.
Boris Karloff Documentary Review
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Jim Phoenix
What was your, okay, the best horror documentary. So we're looking for the best horror documentary. We do we one each and then one, we did it together.
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box
Oh, there's so many good ones.
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Jim Phoenix
What was your best of the horror documentary? What was the top horror documentary for you?
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box
The one that I did or the one that's the best?
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Jim Phoenix
No, no, no, no, this is movie magic. No one knows which one you really like. For the purpose of the show, which one was your best?
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box
Oh!
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Jim Phoenix
Linkity, Link, Link.
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box
but Okay. Definitely. Absolutely. It was Boris car Karloff, the man behind the monster.
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Jim Phoenix
The man behind that monster.
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box
There was, yeah, and it was done in 2021 and it's an hour and 44 minutes and it's produced by Shout Factory TV.
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Jim Phoenix
Shout. Oh wait, shout factory, not shout TV.
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box
Shout Factory TV. So I guess TV.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh wow.
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box
There's a TV in there.
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Jim Phoenix
Are they the ones that did one of the glasses they live?
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box
A lot. They do tons of shit. They also do a lot of old, mhm, yep, yep, yep.
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Jim Phoenix
MST3K? Okay.
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box
And a lot of like older movies and older TV shows and things like that.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh, they're cool. Very cool.
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box
They also have their own streaming thing, I think, yeah.
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Jim Phoenix
so Shout TV.
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box
Yeah, TVs.
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Jim Phoenix
TV. Oh, that's right. of worse That's what I can remember. I can remember if we had to do shout TV or just shout the word TV.
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box
Oh, I don't think it's like a clap on, yeah.
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Jim Phoenix
Their promo is very undecided on that. Yeah. I thought it was stage direction.
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box
So I watched the, so actually I wasn't even going to watch this, but it was like one of those times where like one movie ends and another movie kind of begins on TV and you're just kind of like too lazy to get up off the couch.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh.
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box
And then so this movie started playing and I'm like, wow, this is actually really good.
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Jim Phoenix
Wow.
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box
And, yeah.
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Jim Phoenix
The logarithm really gets you.
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box
i right and It, it does.
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Jim Phoenix
That's scary. Bow down to your AI overlord now.
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box
It's giving me a lot of good suggestions, so I'm not gonna
Influence of Horror Films on Filmmakers
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Jim Phoenix
Really?
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box
come too much.
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box
Yeah, TB's algorithm is way better.
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Jim Phoenix
It told me to not put stuff on my junk anymore. I think that's bad AI advice.
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box
That's really good AI advice.
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Jim Phoenix
So it it gave you a thing. You started watching it. Is it in color?
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box
it's It's not only like a biography on Boris Karloff, who he is, where he came from, his whole life story. but also it has a lot of like directors like Guillermo del Toro come on and talk about how it influenced him and a lot of other just like filmmakers.
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Jim Phoenix
wow Wow.
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box
I think Joe Dante was one of them just talking about how his work inspired them.
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Jim Phoenix
Dante from Clerks.
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box
No, Joe Dante the director.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh, I thought it was Dante from Clerks. Like, wow, he was on there too?
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box
No, no.
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Jim Phoenix
Holy shit.
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box
You know who was though? Terry.
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Jim Phoenix
Terror ter read. Terror reads everywhere.
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box
just the back choose and
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Jim Phoenix
It's all good, man, should get a credit for that. Okay, so did Boris Karloff, did they do archival footage?
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box
Yeah, they did a whole bunch of archival footage some like interviews interviews with his daughter just kind of going throughout his whole career and
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
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box
Just kind of like at the beginning, he was doing like these kind of tough guy roles. And one role that really got the attention of the one director for Frankenstein like this really tough guy role where he doesn't even say a word. He just comes into the screen. Like this one guy's like, you know, he's a loan shark, obviously. The guy's like, oh, I got your money. I got your money. And he just walks in with such a presence and like basically and keeps walking towards the guy.
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box
And they go into another room and the door slowly shuts behind them. And you know, it's like not going to be good. And like the director was like, he was just so intense. Like, but you know, it just came off as like such huge charisma.
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box
And that's what I needed for Frankenstein because he doesn't really speak.
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Jim Phoenix
Right.
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box
He needs to show all of this emotion with his face and with his body. So this is the guy that I watch.
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Jim Phoenix
Okay. So Frankenstein versus young Frankenstein, which one's better?
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box
Frankenstein.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh, it's okay to lie.
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box
it young Young Frankenstein is much funnier, but I feel like they're two peas in the same pod.
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Jim Phoenix
Yes.
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box
Just one's a little goofier than the other.
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Jim Phoenix
No, no, it's a good throwback. So do you think he would be a great movie star today?
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box
Yeah, I think so.
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Jim Phoenix
Boris Karloff.
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box
I think so. I think he would be like kind of like, uh, Rami Malek or someone other person who has like
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Jim Phoenix
Randy Malek, the guy who played Freddie Mercury.
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box
Yeah.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh, shit.
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box
Have you not seen him in like Mr. Robot? Have you?
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Jim Phoenix
I think I say Doug Jones.
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box
No, no, I love Doug Jones. He's a softy though. Like I can definitely see him just being, cause like there is a lot of emotion that is subdued, but can be portrayed very well.
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Jim Phoenix
Okay, so you're more like the visual robot.
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box
So he was the guy that I went to. Yeah. Like, And very versatile and very versatile. Cause like later on in his career, he was the one who, narrated the Grinch and he was very excited because it was a kids film.
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Jim Phoenix
Really?
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box
Like he didn't get to really do a lot of fun kids film stuff. So that was like really great.
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Jim Phoenix
I did not know that. Now did you know that before you watched documentary?
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box
Yeah.
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box
I vaguely knew it, but I didn't get to get the full breadth of why it was important.
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Jim Phoenix
Right.
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box
You know, like I didn't realize like. through his whole career of like doing monsters and stuff like that. his career kind of dipped for a really long time, but then when he was getting older, it came up again, you know, through that, there was a TV series that he hosted and acted in, that had pretty good success at the time. So he was able to, you know, kind of get that love back. And his, his daughter was talking and she's like talking about horror fans and she's like, they're kind of weird.
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box
They have like, they're wearing black and they have all these people, but they're the nicest people you'll ever meet. And it's just very cute.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh.
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box
Cause people, she's like, people still come up to me and tell me how great of an influence my dad is on them. And she was like, you know, I, and ah you you know, it's just so amazing that it's still
Review of 'I Am Nancy'
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box
happening.
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box
He's, he's still in people's lives.
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah, that that's that's pretty amazing. So you would recommend this.
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box
Yeah.
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Jim Phoenix
What would make it through this?
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box
I absolutely recommend this. I would give it, you know, I'll give it a five because I felt it was really good.
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Jim Phoenix
Five out of five good tools. Holy shit, this is the best horror documentary.
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box
Yeah. It was, it was very entertaining. You got to see Boris Karloff that you haven't seen before and get a better appreciation of the work that he did.
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Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I think more people should watch this and I do want to watch this now. I love borrows core offs.
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box
Yeah, this was Boris Karloff.
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Jim Phoenix
Of course I got him confused with belly Lugosi the entire time you're talking.
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box
Yeah. Well, the funny thing, too, is that they wanted to have Bella Lugosi as Frankenstein, the the um studio. And the director said, no, he's not going to work. People are afraid of him.
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box
I need a monster that people are going to kind of fear, but also empathize with.
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Jim Phoenix
Oh man.
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box
And I i don't think Bella can do that.
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Jim Phoenix
You know who got screwed? The Three Stooges, because they were under that contract for a bazillion years. They could have been to all the fucking monsters.
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box
all of them.
00:16:02
Jim Phoenix
They could have been the entire Studios repertoire. Curly. Curly would have made a great Frankenstein. Actually Mo, Mo already had the haircut.
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box
of and but what okay okay
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Jim Phoenix
Or hey, Larry had the Bride of Frankenstein thing going on. Who knows? So five out of five. Usually I can't follow a five out of five, but guess what? I am Nancy.
00:16:25
Jim Phoenix
Spoilers. Yeah. So mine is about Freddy Krueger's, which is what we're talking about and kind of why we're talking about it because it kind of segues into two of them. With the autobiographical, I am Nancy, the focus is squarely on Heather Larkin Camp and her unique experience playing Wes Craven's legendary teen heroine, Nancy Thompson. Now,
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Jim Phoenix
Wes also appears in this film, although he's quite gone, and his daughter appears in this film.
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box
and
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Jim Phoenix
So the whole daughter-daughter thing kind of like sparks a little connection, right?
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box
i mean
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box
Yeah, they should do one with all the daughters of like, yeah, daughters of hell.
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Jim Phoenix
You can see what they look like. Yeah, of all the famous horror people. Daughters only. Ooh, Carrie Fisher.
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Jim Phoenix
That's my new TV show, Daughters of Hell, next on T&E Channel.
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Jim Phoenix
The Daughters of Hell. I love you guys. But I got this from Heather Lavincon. So I'm like, Oh, this is very cool. And I've watched.
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Jim Phoenix
And I will say I learned more about the Freddy Krueger thing. Did you get to see Nightmare on Elm Street when you were like in the theaters?
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box
No, I was older. No. okay God no. I was, I was but a child.
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Jim Phoenix
you that sorry sorry so was I or maybe I guess I know my friends definitely did and by surviving journey X next to my Val Kilmer lizard King right so I remember Freddie I remember the original Freddie I remember unfortunately also the reboot
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box
second Surviving Gen X, but please get by it.
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box
and
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box
and
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Jim Phoenix
But one of the central focuses is almost the original, and please forgive me, Halloween franchise, one of the original Final Girls is Nancy.
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box
Oh, absolutely. She's smart as a tack.
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Jim Phoenix
And that's why she is extremely intelligent and one of the more rounded people out in this film, in the film but in Nightmare on Elm Street, which is why she can, spoiler, survive.
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box
yeah She's very smart and determined.
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Jim Phoenix
Right?
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Jim Phoenix
Right, so you have this as Heather's portraying this. It's it's a matter of bringing to life someone that's gonna be not just a slasher, because Nightmare Nailship just was not as just a slasher, and slashers were kind of coming out of the face back then.
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box
Mm-hmm.
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Jim Phoenix
But actually something that's going to be seen by an audience that's gonna be younger than the MPA rating suggests. Right?
00:19:10
Jim Phoenix
Because you if you can't, what was the original Nightmare on the Street?
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box
Yeah.
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Jim Phoenix
What do you think that was, an R?
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box
Well, PG-13 was an adventure yet, so PG.
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Jim Phoenix
I will look this up right now just because I love everyone.
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box
R? OK.
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Jim Phoenix
You think it was PG?
00:19:27
box
I don't know.
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Jim Phoenix
Nightmare on the Street.
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box
I don't- Jaws was PG.
00:19:31
Jim Phoenix
With all that blood, you think that was fucking PG?
00:19:34
box
Jaws was PG.
00:19:36
Jim Phoenix
It's rated R. It had blood tits and ass.
00:19:37
box
Good. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, like, again, i I don't have children for a reason.
00:19:45
Jim Phoenix
like What the shit, man? No, it was rated R. So this is back when ratings were an actual thing and we didn't have this bullshit PG-13 and NC-17 was a little bit for porno.
00:19:57
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, a little, you know.
00:19:57
box
little
00:20:00
box
but Like a lot.
00:20:00
Jim Phoenix
But, but most people For the theatrical, we're not 18. They were kids either sneaking in or going in because they have older those brothers and sisters and kind of going through there.
00:20:09
box
Like four.
00:20:16
Jim Phoenix
That was the the years of the 85. Wow, 1985, holy crap.
00:20:21
box
Yeah, I was not old at all.
00:20:25
Jim Phoenix
I was old enough to watch this in the theaters, that's all I know. And I can see Johnny Depp when it was one of his first.
00:20:32
box
oh yeah that was like a big thing before twenty one temperatureter
00:20:34
Jim Phoenix
Yeah. and John Saxons and Amanda Wiese and Ronnie Blakely. I mean, there's a lot of names in this I love, but I wanna focus strictly on Heather because she gets, if I'm correct, a lot of the character development.
00:20:54
Jim Phoenix
Basically when she's chewing through it and she has to kind of really tackle this as a role that's not just like the helpless girl, right?
00:21:03
box
Yeah, isn't her dad something's accident, John's accident?
00:21:08
Jim Phoenix
Yeah. The cop or the, I think it's the cop.
00:21:09
box
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, it's great because he he's he's such a versatile actor too, but you get to see her like kind of bring out her being a cop's daughter.
00:21:22
box
You know, like she's she's no nonsense. She's going to like do this thing, you know? Like she's very involved.
00:21:32
Jim Phoenix
She is hugely involved and she's making this to a point where It is a, let's say, agreeable last or final girl.
00:21:44
Jim Phoenix
We've all seen some final girls who are like, oh God, I wish she would have died. Not so much of her.
00:21:48
box
Well, yeah, honestly, if you think about, like, uh, uh, Friday the 13th, um, original, you, do you even remember the girl's name?
00:22:01
box
The final girl in the,
Concept of 'Final Girls' in Horror Films
00:22:02
Jim Phoenix
Five of 13th, the original?
00:22:02
box
you don't.
00:22:03
box
Yeah.
00:22:04
Jim Phoenix
No, no. there Jason's mom.
00:22:06
box
Exactly.
00:22:09
box
Well, she was, she was, no, she, she gets her head cut off.
00:22:09
Jim Phoenix
That's the only final goal I remember was Jason's mom.
00:22:14
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, well, she didn't tell that she was the final girl.
00:22:15
box
Spoiler alert.
00:22:17
Jim Phoenix
Like, exactly it.
00:22:18
box
she
00:22:19
Jim Phoenix
You would remember the guy from Footloose, Kevin Bacon, in one of them.
00:22:24
box
Kevin very good. Yeah.
00:22:25
Jim Phoenix
And you remember the cup like the guy from days in confused.
00:22:28
box
its
00:22:30
Jim Phoenix
I'm like going through everyone's movies dialogue right now. Matthew McConaughey for Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
00:22:38
box
Yeah. Yeah. wait But, bring but she brings.
00:22:40
Jim Phoenix
Or Rachel from Friends for Leprechaun.
00:22:45
Jim Phoenix
You remember them because they're named actors.
00:22:45
box
she brings.
00:22:47
box
Well, yeah, yeah. But Nancy brings a whole new level to the final girl.
00:22:53
Jim Phoenix
ma because she fleshes it out. And this is part of the charm of the documentary. You can see her walking through it as an adult and going back and trying to figure out the choices she made, what it was, and not just a final girl of it all. But why not Nancy being the actual subject of people's fandoms, people's toys, like the continuing adventures of, why is it the monster then?
00:23:27
box
Yeah, that's fine. Yeah.
00:23:31
Jim Phoenix
Like tremors, it's Kevin fucking Bacon is the subject of tremors and tremors too.
00:23:37
box
Yeah.
00:23:37
Jim Phoenix
Or the dude from like, oh my God, the I'm not thinking of as well as, holy Christ. All in the family, not my family values. to Jake Edgar Fox, Michael J.
00:23:49
Jim Phoenix
Fox.
00:23:50
box
Who's the boss?
00:23:52
Jim Phoenix
Not who is the boss, Michael J. Fox. Oh, shit.
00:23:55
box
Oh, let's turn to Danza. oh
00:23:59
Jim Phoenix
Welcome to two old people doing podcasts.
00:24:01
box
ah ah I'm not that old, I wasn't in the theaters one this time.
00:24:06
Jim Phoenix
You don't.
00:24:06
box
Alright, anyway, keep going, keep going.
00:24:09
Jim Phoenix
Michael Grossman. Come on. You know that one back to the future. No family ties.
00:24:12
box
I don't know that.
00:24:14
Jim Phoenix
Good God.
00:24:15
box
Apparently times, whatever, I was...
00:24:16
Jim Phoenix
Am I naming things or Oh my God, it is before you.
00:24:18
box
Yes!
00:24:22
Jim Phoenix
Sorry.
00:24:22
box
I'm telling you, you're old!
00:24:24
Jim Phoenix
Oh God. Apparently so. I can't remember any of the damn things. All right. So you're going back to this of the documentary.
00:24:35
Jim Phoenix
Why is it the monster and not the survivor?
00:24:40
box
Mm hmm.
00:24:41
Jim Phoenix
Like this is at its end, at its end, if you look at the Nightmare on Elm Street film, it's going to be the sins of the fathers. They went out, they were a vigilante mob, and they killed a guy who may or may not been in you know guilty, probably guilty as fuck, of molesting slash killing kids, whatever.
00:24:54
box
Yeah.
00:25:02
Jim Phoenix
But he was found innocent, or at least let off on charges due to technicality and court law.
00:25:06
box
And this is.
00:25:10
Jim Phoenix
So it's a complete vigilante justice and they try to hide it.
00:25:10
box
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:14
Jim Phoenix
So they act out and they try to hide it and bad things happen to the kids because they're hiding shit from them.
00:25:21
box
Yeah, the sins of the father.
00:25:22
Jim Phoenix
Right.
00:25:23
box
Yeah.
00:25:24
Jim Phoenix
So if you were focusing on the person who's appearing in nightmares and very scantily on screen versus the person who has to carry the entire fucking movie who was Heather, what does it say about society?
00:25:24
box
Yeah.
00:25:35
box
the
00:25:39
box
they don't value women and yeah let's put a pin in this let's we're gonna put a pin right here okay okay
00:25:41
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I think so. Because even, okay.
00:25:48
Jim Phoenix
Okay, we will, we will. i'll I'll say one more thing, just in case if it's not pinable.
00:25:51
box
yeah
00:25:54
Jim Phoenix
If you look at Halloween, it's still Michael fucking Myers, not Jamie Lee Curtis until Jamie Lee Curtis has trading places and then where the fuck Jamie Lee Curtis does for years and years and years and years and years and years and years.
00:26:09
Jim Phoenix
And then it was like, Oh yeah, she was great into that.
00:26:09
box
Just like that.
00:26:11
Jim Phoenix
and Like, really? Was she? You look like Michael Myers carried that fucking film.
00:26:14
box
Thank you boys.
00:26:17
box
She was, no, she was great.
00:26:19
Jim Phoenix
She was great as a babysitter.
00:26:20
box
I loved it. I love Jamie Lee Curtis. No, she was great. Prom night. Perfect.
00:26:26
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:26:27
box
Territorian. Perfect.
00:26:28
Jim Phoenix
You're naming other fucking films other than the Halloween film.
00:26:31
box
Yes. I'm, but I'm naming the things that I think she's good at.
00:26:36
Jim Phoenix
And that's my point.
00:26:38
box
Okay.
00:26:39
Jim Phoenix
That's my point. It's not like, even then, there were there a lot of Jamie Lee Curtis dolls?
00:26:40
box
It's the
00:26:44
Jim Phoenix
No, she was known for tits and ass for trading places.
00:26:45
box
ones I made. The ones I made.
00:26:50
Jim Phoenix
And that's what's gonna be this documentary's focus.
00:26:52
box
know
00:26:52
Jim Phoenix
Why not a Nancy doll?
00:26:53
box
Yeah.
00:26:55
Jim Phoenix
Why not a Nancy poster? Why not a Nancy figure on the ah video game? Or why not Nancy period?
00:27:03
box
yeah
00:27:03
Jim Phoenix
and even the remodeling of the VHS tapes or DVD boxes that goes from Nancy's original poster, and it goes away from that to Freddie.
00:27:13
box
Hmm, yeah.
00:27:14
Jim Phoenix
It's the erasure of a person in history.
00:27:18
box
I'm a woman.
00:27:18
Jim Phoenix
This is Foucault 101. Welcome to Michelle Foucault Corner. I will talk with my French accent from now on out.
00:27:23
box
Hello.
00:27:26
Jim Phoenix
If you really want to see what the society values, see what they throw away.
00:27:30
box
It's like I've been reading Camu, so.
00:27:32
Jim Phoenix
Huh? God moo, achoo, God bless you. So this is what the documentary I Am Nancy focuses on. It kind of goes through the buildup of why not Nancy, as it says, why Freddie Mania, not Nancy Mania.
00:27:49
box
to Or pasta mania or wrestle mania bait.
00:27:51
Jim Phoenix
Rest of mania, brother. By the way, i I know someone's got a little thing coming by Hulk Hogan. And this is going to be the heroes of the modern age.
00:28:02
Jim Phoenix
If you look at that, a lot of the monsters get above it. But in the end, in the end, in the end, in the end, it does a great job focusing on a little bit of Wes Craven's interview, a little bit of an interview with the daughter of Wes Craven.
00:28:17
Jim Phoenix
And it really does a
00:28:17
box
Robert egg England.
00:28:20
Jim Phoenix
slightly. Robert England's kind of weirdly in this with a convention. It kind of does the behind the scenes, a lot of conventions. So he's in it signing, ah know, signing the autographs of it.
00:28:27
box
like for Oh, he doesn't.
00:28:30
Jim Phoenix
He signs one of his toys and she does.
00:28:32
box
But he doesn't.
00:28:32
Jim Phoenix
Okay. There's a scene for Heather and I'll love her forever for this. She does what a fan would do. She gets something that is completely prices in the box.
00:28:42
box
Did you open it?
00:28:44
Jim Phoenix
And she's like, oh, pretty toy. She opens the box and starts playing. Cause of course you do.
00:28:49
box
That's beautiful.
00:28:50
Jim Phoenix
That fucking course.
00:28:50
box
Yes.
00:28:50
Jim Phoenix
It is a toy. You're supposed to open the fucking door.
00:28:52
box
That's beautiful.
00:28:53
Jim Phoenix
You're supposed to play with it.
00:28:54
box
Yes.
00:28:54
Jim Phoenix
That's what they're for.
00:28:55
box
Absolutely.
00:28:55
Jim Phoenix
They're fucking toys. Like this collector of bullshit that has to be in the proceeding in the box. When the fuck did that comes about. But that was like the beautiful moment. Like, of course you do.
00:29:06
Jim Phoenix
And the other beautiful moments are with Wes. Wes Craven is brilliant in this. Like going behind the scenes and seeing what he said about the film and what represents it, like, holy shit, that's, he did not just pull that out of his ass.
00:29:20
Jim Phoenix
He was really, each beat was fucking philosophical, loved it.
Themes of Identity and Societal Norms in Documentaries
00:29:26
Jim Phoenix
And at the very end, no spoilers, but everyone becomes Nancy.
00:29:32
box
Oh, everybody this up and says, I'm Nancy.
00:29:33
Jim Phoenix
It really does.
00:29:38
box
And then somebody else is like, no, I'm Nancy.
00:29:40
Jim Phoenix
Yes, you seen it too?
00:29:40
box
say
00:29:43
box
Yeah, I saw the whole movie.
00:29:45
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, that's it. So I'm giving this one five out of five, because if you love Halloween or not Halloween, if you love Halloween, fuck you. If you love Nightmare on Elm Street, this is the movie that you really want to watch, especially if you are in the realm of why aren't the people who have to carry the fucking movie, the ones more loved. This is a great movie for anyone who likes Gina Davis as well, because Gina Davis is doing a lot of.
00:30:11
Jim Phoenix
A lot of art, not a lot of art, but a lot of exploration on why women are not getting enough recognition in the field as they are, you know, especially media studies.
00:30:19
box
I love Tina Davis. Yeah.
00:30:23
Jim Phoenix
So I am Nancy with Heather Landenkamp, awesome. Five out of five, easy to go to. And now Screen Queen. what What's the full title of Screen Queen?
00:30:34
box
Scream. Scream.
00:30:34
Jim Phoenix
Screen Queen, My Nightmare on Elm Street.
00:30:36
box
My nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah.
00:30:41
Jim Phoenix
Okay, so this is our joint inbox. I already know what I'm gonna say about this.
00:30:44
box
This is.
00:30:45
Jim Phoenix
I know we're gonna have a fight on this one.
00:30:49
box
You're not going to like it, are you?
00:30:54
Jim Phoenix
Go for it.
00:30:54
box
Yeah, OK. I don't I don't want to fight today. So this has been my on my radar since it's come out. a lot of people that I know or have already seen it.
00:31:07
box
I have not seen it until this moment when we were doing stuff, yeah.
00:31:11
Jim Phoenix
Really? I saw this before you?
00:31:14
Jim Phoenix
What the shit?
00:31:15
box
You saw this before me, and the reason for that is I knew it was gonna be sad, and it was gonna make me sad.
00:31:23
box
Especially because you're so fucking rude.
00:31:25
Jim Phoenix
Hey, hey, it's okay. It's just, it's just a movie.
00:31:29
box
You're so fucking rude.
00:31:31
Jim Phoenix
It's just a movie.
00:31:32
box
No, but it's not because it's all about being gay in in society.
00:31:36
Jim Phoenix
Okay. Okay. Well, hold on.
00:31:41
Jim Phoenix
Pause.
00:31:42
box
Yes.
00:31:43
Jim Phoenix
I would forget which pin we're putting it in, but I want to to clarify i'm ask you to clarify. Screen queen, my nightmare in Elm Street is about being gay, or my nightmare in Elm Street is about being gay.
00:31:57
box
Scream Queen, My Nightmare on Elm Street is about being gay in horror.
00:32:01
Jim Phoenix
Okay. All right. A gay whore. What?
00:32:05
box
Being gay in horror.
00:32:09
Jim Phoenix
Horror or what? Yes kids, this goes on for four seasons now. oh Can Jimbo ever say the word horror?
00:32:17
box
Where's my kazoo? Where is my kazoo? Can you even read that sentence too?
00:32:19
Jim Phoenix
I don't know, make it, man. that make it There you go.
00:32:22
box
Anyway. So, yeah, so I had, I knew I was going to go into it being bummed out. And I came out of it being bummed out. that's not to say I still didn't like it and I still didn't like what they were talking about with basically it being at the very height of the AIDS epidemic, it being at, which is so terrifying.
00:32:48
box
Especially that it's like COVID, but you don't know where it's coming from and what's happening and the government doesn't give a shit and your friends are dying. And you're also trying to make a life. that's kind of how it was. And, you know, they, they do go through it and talk about some of those, perfect conditions. But, the, the thing is, is that, so I've had never, I don't like sequels usually.
00:33:15
box
So I had never seen the second sequel.
00:33:18
Jim Phoenix
The second, you've never seen Freddy's Revenge?
00:33:22
box
I have now within the last few years, but I never grew up with it.
00:33:27
Jim Phoenix
Oh, you didn't actually go to the movie theater in 85 to go see it.
00:33:31
box
i did not I did not rent it as a VHS, let's say.
00:33:36
Jim Phoenix
Oh well, all right.
00:33:38
box
So I was really unfamiliar with it until I heard, oh, it's really super gay. And I'm like, oh, okay, now I'll go take a look at it. And I did, and it was. And, but at the time, the internet, because that's, this is where, because
00:33:50
Jim Phoenix
Wait, who told you it was gay? The Internet said it was gay. See, this is where we.
00:34:02
box
It was basically taking a look at like older films and then there was a lot of articles by queer artists and queer horror fans that were talking about it.
00:34:12
Jim Phoenix
All right.
00:34:14
box
And I'm like, oh, and they're like, this is my sexual awakening. This is like, I saw myself in this character.
00:34:19
Jim Phoenix
This nightmare street, Elm Street was their sexual, not labyrinth. It was this motherfuckers.
00:34:25
box
What is this?
00:34:27
Jim Phoenix
What kind of, what kind of upbringing was that?
00:34:29
box
What is this?
00:34:30
Jim Phoenix
That like nightmare and Elm Street was their sexual awakening.
00:34:32
box
Well, because you don't, I think, there was something...
00:34:36
Jim Phoenix
The burnt up pedophile was like, Oh, I can't wait to have sexual awakening to the, the peder s sorry.
00:34:40
box
No, no, no. It was basically being kind of...
00:34:43
Jim Phoenix
Cause he actually acted on it.
00:34:46
box
Because he... face We're not gonna be semantics. We're not gonna do semantics with that.
00:34:52
Jim Phoenix
Semantics?
00:34:53
Jim Phoenix
Who was that? Who played that one?
00:34:55
box
So basically, like, for...
00:34:57
Jim Phoenix
Was that Tara Reade?
00:35:00
box
for a lot of horror movies shut up shut up for sake so queer so horror movies are not typically queer they're very heteronormative for every frankenstein is his bride you know things like that so when you go into these horror movies and you're expecting all these like horny teenagers who are straight to like start making out in this and that
00:35:04
Jim Phoenix
Introducing Reade as Semantics.
00:35:09
Jim Phoenix
Sorry.
00:35:26
Jim Phoenix
Right.
00:35:26
box
And then you catch a glimpse of a film, say like Terror Train, where you're like, wait a there's subtext here and I'm picking up on something.
00:35:30
Jim Phoenix
Choo choo.
00:35:38
box
And so that's when as a queer, it's hard to to tell if it's like, is this something or is this something I'm like reading into?
00:35:47
Jim Phoenix
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
00:35:47
box
But then when other people,
00:35:48
Jim Phoenix
No, but I have to call you out box.
00:35:50
box
okay, sure.
00:35:51
Jim Phoenix
Sorry, you can't say that word. I can say that word because I have friends who are queers, but you can't use that word.
00:35:58
box
I can use that word.
00:36:02
box
I am queer.
00:36:05
box
Oh, I'm sorry.
00:36:06
Jim Phoenix
was You stepped on the joke, motherfucker.
00:36:08
box
Without a joke.
00:36:10
Jim Phoenix
Come on. It's our first show back. It's OK.
00:36:14
box
It's because I'm passionate about this, dude.
00:36:17
Jim Phoenix
I know, I know, I know.
00:36:17
box
I can't I can't do jokes, especially the state that we're in.
00:36:20
Jim Phoenix
I use humor.
00:36:27
box
i I bombastic side eye.
00:36:28
Jim Phoenix
Canada?
00:36:30
box
Oh, I wish. 51st state, right?
00:36:32
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, motherfucker, 51!
00:36:34
box
Yeah. It's not Canada anymore. It's a America. Canada.
00:36:39
Jim Phoenix
Oh, I can't wait.
00:36:40
box
Anyway.
00:36:40
Jim Phoenix
I hope Google changes that on the map too.
00:36:42
box
Oh, anyway, so it did hit me home because there was a lot of huge, this actor lost like everything because it started coming out that it was a very gay movie.
00:36:56
box
at the time that it was released. And that was a bad thing then. that's That was a bad thing. Like you didn't want to be caught.
00:37:02
Jim Phoenix
Did it?
00:37:04
box
Yeah. Did you watch this?
00:37:07
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, no, I watched and this is the thing. Okay. We want to talk about Nightmare on Elm Street or do you want to talk about the documentary first?
00:37:19
box
Like this the movie?
00:37:21
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:37:22
box
I think we were just talking about the documentary.
00:37:26
Jim Phoenix
Well, the documentary is good because that's pretty much
00:37:30
box
Well, yeah, but the movie has a lot of gay subtext. It has a gay S and&M bar.
00:37:37
box
It has a man being stripped and whipped while another boy watches.
00:37:41
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, but that's...
00:37:43
box
It has Freddy putting his little finger things in the boy's mouth. and And Robert England was up with that. Like he was the one that's like, hey, isn't it cool if I just kind of like dankle my little fingies in your mouth?
00:37:59
Jim Phoenix
So is Deadpool gay? Because that's what Cassandra Nova does.
00:38:02
box
but Deadpool is bi.
00:38:06
Jim Phoenix
No, it is the movie Deadpool 3 with Wolverine gay because that's exactly what cause Saturn over does. Puts the finger in the mouth.
00:38:12
box
I would say, I would say it's completely bi. Deadpool is bi, so therefore it's bi.
00:38:19
Jim Phoenix
Deadpool's by? How does Deadpool by?
00:38:21
box
Yes, he's always been bi. Look it up.
00:38:24
Jim Phoenix
I'm going by what I see.
00:38:25
box
Look it up. No, he's always been bi, and that's why him making like, talks about what was his name, Colossus, and she was like, don't, don't fuck him.
00:38:37
box
And he's like, what?
00:38:39
Jim Phoenix
I don't know which movies we're watching anymore, but all right, you're saying that Nightmare on Elm Street 2 is gay.
00:38:40
box
He has a lot of gay subtext and also not subtext, but overtaxed text.
00:38:55
Jim Phoenix
Thanks motherfucker.
00:38:56
box
Yes.
00:38:57
Jim Phoenix
And I'm gonna say I did not see it as gay. And that's where my documentary issue comes in.
00:39:07
box
Okay,
00:39:10
box
Okay, how do I... Alright, sometimes when you're a queer person, like I said, you can kind of pick up on things where it's like, oh, okay, that's like, that's a sign.
00:39:21
Jim Phoenix
But did you pick up on it or did the internet tell you to pick up on it first?
00:39:26
box
I think if I had have watched it before, I would have seen it as gay. Yes, absolutely. That S&M gay bar, yes.
00:39:34
Jim Phoenix
was full Is police academy gay?
00:39:34
box
him stripping with for Friday's sake I want to be like inside yes absolutely I haven't seen police so I don't know yes I did also see the one where Jason goes on like a total kissing spray and that one's pretty bi because he kisses a lot of dudes a lot of dudes Jason kisses people yeah
00:39:44
Jim Phoenix
Really? You haven't seen the fucking movie Police Academy?
00:39:57
Jim Phoenix
Jason kisses people?
00:40:01
Jim Phoenix
Which Friday, which which Friday the 13th was that?
00:40:03
box
thank That was the one, I think that was the one where he goes.
00:40:08
Jim Phoenix
Part six of the Boo Oyster Club.
00:40:08
box
It was like, yeah, it was like one of the old ones where it's like basically to possess them, he had to like strip them naked and kiss them.
00:40:17
Jim Phoenix
He had to strip people naked and kiss them or put his evil into them.
00:40:22
box
Yeah.
00:40:26
Jim Phoenix
I, look okay.
00:40:27
box
So yes.
00:40:27
Jim Phoenix
That's what I'm saying. If
00:40:29
box
I feel like this, yes, is gay. I would put this on the same thing as territory. I'd put it as, it's basically 80s gay. Yes.
00:40:38
Jim Phoenix
and
00:40:38
box
And that's where I had a problem with this movie because he goes to talk to the writer and the writer's playing all like, Oh, you know, I'm like, how could you write an S and&M gay bar and a man being his clothes ripped off?
00:40:55
box
And like, this is the same guy who goes to the S and&M bar, by the way, the gay bar. This is the same guy, having his clothes ripped off in front of our main character, who's pretty gay. That dance is pretty gay. Um, and then it stripped naked and then whipped by Freddy.
00:41:13
Jim Phoenix
See, is it gay or is it homophobic?
00:41:16
box
That's gay. No, that's gay. That's gay. He was like a shitty gay.
00:41:20
Jim Phoenix
I don't know, man. I don't know.
00:41:22
box
He was like a
00:41:25
Jim Phoenix
Because I...
00:41:25
box
the the teacher the teacher was gay because again why are you going to the snm gay bar for the a second dick it's like it's great when
00:41:29
Jim Phoenix
For the drinks. Are you kidding me? You know how many sports packages they have? The drinks have price too.
00:41:45
Jim Phoenix
you know't oh You don't have to. I mean, if you want the full package.
00:41:49
box
it's there but it's there it's not gay if they suck your dick i'm kidding
00:41:55
Jim Phoenix
No, no, no. It's not gay if they suck your dick.
00:41:56
box
yeah
00:41:58
Jim Phoenix
It's only gay.
00:42:00
box
No, no, no, I'm kidding.
00:42:00
Jim Phoenix
All right.
00:42:01
box
It's pretty good. It's pretty good.
00:42:03
Jim Phoenix
I don't, under okay. This is maybe this is my, the hindsight issue I have with it.
00:42:07
box
I feel like this is our our Bugs Bunny and Daffy dog. I mean, not Bugs but bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd moment.
00:42:17
box
I feel like this is all over again.
00:42:21
Jim Phoenix
Wait, what?
00:42:21
box
When I was like, yeah, because there was, I'm like, yeah, the first one I knew.
00:42:25
Jim Phoenix
You're saying they're gay? You're saying Bugs Bunny's gay?
00:42:27
box
the first time I'm just saying he kisses Elmer Fudd a lot and then they get married. and
00:42:34
Jim Phoenix
Dressed up. and They get married in a fucking the opera one. It's like saying everyone who's ever played in Shakespeare is gay.
00:42:39
box
but it's like I'm just saying I'm just saying as a queer person watching this I'm like oh look at them just like me okay
00:42:50
Jim Phoenix
Okay, so I i don't think Nightmare 2 is gay. I don't think it's a queer film. I think there's overtones to it, but I think it's mostly homophobic, if anything, or a reflection on homophobia as being the nightmare.
00:43:05
Jim Phoenix
Being gay is the nightmare.
00:43:06
box
yeah No, I would agree with that.
00:43:09
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:43:09
box
I but i don't think it's that's homophobic, but I just think that would be...
00:43:13
Jim Phoenix
It highlights homophobia, maybe, I don't know.
00:43:16
box
I think it's the fear is maybe homophobia or the the cut that theyre coming out to yourself.
00:43:19
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:43:22
box
Like, I don't want to say that this evil thing is inside me with its nightmare little fingers in my mouth.
00:43:31
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:43:31
box
I don't want to say that, but it's there.
00:43:33
Jim Phoenix
So, okay. If you, instead of Mark Patton, if this was, who's the straightest guy in the 80s?
00:43:44
Jim Phoenix
If this was Roddy Piper, it was, okay, this is Kevin Bacon.
00:43:45
box
Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon. What would be a different bacon?
00:43:49
Jim Phoenix
Is the film still gay?
00:43:51
box
Well, no, I don't know. No, it would still be kind of gay.
00:43:54
Jim Phoenix
That's my point. That's my point.
00:43:56
box
It would still be gay.
00:43:57
Jim Phoenix
No, you said you didn't know. But that, you had doubt, you had doubt.
00:43:58
box
No, no, no. I think, I think it would be less gay. No, actually, no, he does play it kind of. Mm. I feel like it would be a worse movie, but I still think it would be gay.
00:44:10
box
Because again, with some of those scenes, and some of the dialogue even from Freddie, I think I'd still be gay. I just think it would be poorly done gay. like ah ah so You're like, oh, that's a street actor playing a gay guy.
00:44:23
Jim Phoenix
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00:44:38
Jim Phoenix
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00:44:43
box
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00:44:45
Jim Phoenix
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00:44:50
box
I don't think that's true. I think you but usually should put it into one orifice.
00:44:53
Jim Phoenix
I don't know. I read it on the internet. Kidding.
00:44:58
Jim Phoenix
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00:45:03
box
Oh, okay.
00:45:03
Jim Phoenix
So, okay. You have, you, you have this concept.
00:45:05
box
We actually listened to our ads and that's why.
00:45:11
Jim Phoenix
If you watch the documentary scream Queens, not my number on Elm street. As thinking that the movie was gay, the Nightmare on Elm Street Freddy's Rebrands was gay, you then kind of have more sympathy for Mark Patton in this movie?
00:45:32
box
Oops, I would say so. It kind of ruined his career. And as a gay man as well, like he he kind of took off. He didn't do any conventions. He's coming back. He's doing more conventions. He's he's embracing it now on because it does mean a lot to a lot of queer, especially gay male horror fans. They do see themselves in him.
00:46:02
Jim Phoenix
Now, you know, his next thing, what, you know, what he did, the very next thing was CBS school break special.
00:46:03
box
Just like Freddy.
00:46:09
box
What?
00:46:13
box
OK, yeah, he's.
00:46:13
Jim Phoenix
Does that scream? He was gay. Do you think CBS would put him on and be like, Oh no, he's, he's definitely gay.
00:46:17
box
Yeah. Yeah, no, no, he's he's trying to clean his image, then that was image control.
00:46:24
Jim Phoenix
I just,
00:46:24
box
I imagine.
00:46:26
Jim Phoenix
god He's also Emma Phil clown house one dead dog Filipino he's not Filipino.
00:46:27
box
No, you.
00:46:30
box
you Do you realize how homophobic and like picking up on this kind of thing can be to a lot of people? Like he was getting the F word tossed a lot.
00:46:42
box
Even as it came out, people were being like, oh, this is the F word.
00:46:48
Jim Phoenix
Why the fuck are calling him Filipino for dude?
00:46:53
box
I can say the word, but I'm not going to say the word. But I mean, it was it's a very hurtful word. And, you know, he was getting a lot of fear for his career, for his safety, for his what was going on and in the world. It's just, yes, I feel like if you watch the movie and identified with it as someone who's queer and see some of the subtext and sometimes this text text, I feel like you would watch this movie and be like, oh, yeah, I can feel for him.
Queer Themes in Horror
00:47:26
box
Absolutely.
00:47:27
box
Absolutely, and that's what I did and that's one of the reasons why in a way I can I didn't kind of like it because it just made me really sad
00:47:36
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I think larry during that time, I can't recall any openly gay actors.
00:47:53
Jim Phoenix
There were gay actors working who are now open, but not coming out at the time.
00:47:56
box
Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, Tap Hunter, Anthony Perkins, you know, yeah, tons, tons and tons, but that's the thing, you couldn't come out because that would ruin your image.
00:48:09
box
I mean, Rock Hudson, you know, like a lot of big names, a lot of masculine dudes, you know, they had to be on the download, they had to have lavender weddings, just to get the full software.
00:48:19
Jim Phoenix
And Rock Hudson dies in 85, which is when this movie comes out. And then this discussed how he was gay. And then that starts a big backlash, mostly because of HIV was a gay play. Now, going on, if this was, this is this is my point. You didn't get to watch this.
00:48:42
Jim Phoenix
It's weird because you didn't watch this when you were a kid and I'm not gay. So me watching as a kid doesn't that can they fucking the same effect? Do you know any friends who watched it who are gay or queer? Who watched it as a kid? Before the internet came out.
00:48:58
box
You know, that's hard because they're usually in my age range.
00:49:01
Jim Phoenix
Oh, never usually. I don't go for old fogeys. Those fuckers take them to the
00:49:08
box
I mean, but, but for real, I feel like most of my friends would have maybe seen it on VHS at some point, you know, when you're, again, like you were saying, like sneaking into a movie theater, it's basically sneaking like, oh, spooky tape, let's, let's watch this, you know?
00:49:19
Jim Phoenix
Yeah. All right. but
00:49:26
box
but I mean, I don't know a fan I can always ask around. We can ask her listeners if, you know, we've seen this in a theater.
00:49:32
Jim Phoenix
Hey, listener, you want to identify yourself as gay?
00:49:36
box
I know, I know my mom didn't see it.
00:49:38
Jim Phoenix
It's very safe now. Please, please do.
00:49:41
box
Oh yeah, don't know. Have a burner.
00:49:43
Jim Phoenix
Very friendly.
00:49:44
box
I don't have a burner for anything now.
00:49:48
Jim Phoenix
And okay, so if I'm gonna describe a scene to you, you tell me if it's gay.
00:49:48
box
but
00:49:56
Jim Phoenix
Okay, a black male and a white male stripping off their shirts and getting all like their hair done perfect and start like rubbing their bodies against each other.
00:49:56
box
I can't because I'm...
00:50:06
box
I have to say that possibly is gay, but that could also be wrestling.
00:50:13
Jim Phoenix
but They live.
00:50:15
box
Yeah, I figured that's what that was.
00:50:17
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I mean, if that I think that movie has more gay overtones than this one does.
00:50:19
box
yeah eight but I think this one has more gay overtones, but I'm not saying that I don't ship them.
00:50:30
box
I do ship them.
00:50:32
Jim Phoenix
Okay, so right now, so if you're watching the documentary though, do you have to believe that the second one is gay to enjoy the documentary, do you think?
00:50:32
box
And you can find all of that on my new AO3.
00:50:38
box
I think you would enjoy it more. I think, to be honest, I think you would be more understanding and receptive to it.
00:50:54
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:50:56
box
I think that is kind of part of it. because Again, we have two people that are saying kind of different things. The actor's saying it's it's very gay, and a lot of the reviewers are saying it's very gay, and the writer of it is saying, I didn't mean it to be gay. But then years later, he's like, well, it was gay because of this actor. And then years later, he's like, kind of put in a little bit. So it's it's really hard. What I feel like he she made was a movie that was inadvertently gay.
00:51:28
box
the SNMs like that one is what I keep coming back to like if it had been any other else this could have easily been one of those movies where I'm like oh that sounds kind of gay but it's not really gay or maybe but we don't know but with that especially that scene because that's like such a peek into it's like it's kind of like you know like the SNM I mean SNM gay stuff was kind of the the fad like if you look at pinhead like from hell-boned heart like it was he was inspired by s and&m gay clubs you know like much
00:52:05
Jim Phoenix
Inspired by fucking Judas Priest Now
00:52:09
box
was gay no look at him judas of judas greece was gay
00:52:12
Jim Phoenix
Rob Robin gay I Don't know Hello blimp for leather then any gay turbo lover. No, come on. Come on Okay, so
00:52:22
box
you so okay so so there was like that the that that singing in horror too i guess like maybe there was a flavor hi yeah she came up okay no if he does not
00:52:35
Jim Phoenix
And I think this is where we'll do our, our writeups and know, Hey, but David Chaskin wrote this with Wes Craven, the movie, not the documentary.
00:52:46
Jim Phoenix
And Wes is not, does Wes appear in this documentary? No, right.
00:52:53
Jim Phoenix
Why not?
00:52:53
box
But Robert England does.
00:52:56
Jim Phoenix
Robert does, but he's just an actor in it.
00:52:57
box
Because Wes Craven didn't direct it.
00:53:01
Jim Phoenix
But he co-wrote it. Jack Scholder directed it.
00:53:03
box
But he didn't direct it?
00:53:07
Jim Phoenix
And the guy Mark has an issue with David Chashkin, right?
00:53:11
box
was probably... Yes, he does. And I felt David Tachkin was like fucking really dismissive with him. I was like, fuck off, dude.
00:53:20
Jim Phoenix
Well, he appears to be a complete douchebag. However, however, who put the documentary out?
00:53:24
box
This isn't super too sad. Shutter.
00:53:33
Jim Phoenix
No, no, no, no. Who stars in it? but it's like who who's Who's the lead in this documentary?
00:53:39
box
It's, uh, Patton.
00:53:41
Jim Phoenix
Mark Batten. Of course, is they're not going to make him look like an ass.
00:53:42
box
Yeah.
00:53:45
box
Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing with that. Even they came to him. They gave to him and said, hey, we want to make this documentary.
00:53:54
Jim Phoenix
Sure. But they're not going to make David look good.
00:53:59
box
But there's there's a point I feel like if, you know, he was just super dismissive because he was like, well, I didn't tell you to scream like a woman. Fuck off, bro. Like also, as an actor, as a director, if you wanted something different, an editor, if you wanted in something different,
00:54:22
box
That is the time. And Pat makes that point. Like if you did not want the kind of gay dance, why was it in the film?
00:54:26
Jim Phoenix
right.
00:54:31
box
If you didn't want me to scream, why was it in the film? If you didn't want that S&M scene, where it was super gay, why was it in the film?
00:54:38
Jim Phoenix
And that's my point about the documentary. There's going to be from one side of the view. It's not go be ah it's not a fair shake to David. It is very much one side of the mark because if they wanted a fair shirt, they would have edited it that way.
00:54:53
Jim Phoenix
They edit it in a very particular way to make David look even probably worse than he actually was. I'm not saving David as this angel or anything like that, but they do a pretty good job of editing them on.
00:55:02
box
I'm just saying, most documentaries are about a subject, as you've said before. The subject of this is David Patton.
00:55:11
Jim Phoenix
Mark pen, mark pen.
00:55:12
box
David Patton? Mark Patton, sorry.
00:55:14
Jim Phoenix
You combined them together, how key is that?
00:55:17
box
Well, it's the love child.
00:55:20
Jim Phoenix
Yeah. So, okay.
00:55:23
box
and Okay.
00:55:23
Jim Phoenix
I didn't dislike this movie, the documentary.
00:55:27
box
Okay.
00:55:28
Jim Phoenix
I think it's useful.
00:55:33
Jim Phoenix
I think a lot of, it was an hour and a half, it was entertaining. I did watch Nightmare on Elm Street 2 again after watching this movie, just something like that. I fucking missed the entire gay thing. Cause I was like, you know, eight.
00:55:50
Jim Phoenix
You know?
00:55:53
box
You know, again, I feel like, I don't know, I don't want to say, if you know, you know, you know, like, I don't want to do that. But to me, like, if I watched something, let's say, nope, or something like that, or s like,
00:56:07
box
i'll get it i'll see it i'll watch it i'll be like that was a great movie i'm not gonna get the nuances because i'm not black i'm not a person of color i'm not gonna get we all see color we all see color and so
00:56:16
Jim Phoenix
Wait, they're black in that movie? I do not see color. Are you a racialist? you not You say you do not get the black movies?
00:56:26
Jim Phoenix
I don't, dogs don't see color.
00:56:28
box
that
00:56:29
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, but that's weird. The thing is, yourre okay, is it a cultural or a race, like a skin color? For nope, for nope.
00:56:38
box
What do you mean? I'm saying it's, it's a cultural, it's, it's cultural. Like there's going to be things that I might not pick up on or I might not understand from, you know, any, I would even say any person of POC movie or something like that, that's focused. Even get out. Like I can watch it. I can appreciate it. I can see it on a few different levels.
00:57:09
box
But at the same time, I don't have that experience. So there's gonna be things I don't even see or notice that are important.
00:57:13
Jim Phoenix
Right. But aren't those movies also marketed as versus Nightmare on Elm Street 2 was not?
00:57:22
box
Okay, let's say, what's the one? Oh, shoot, shoot, shoot. Not even living done. You know, we have a black protagonist and a lot of, there's been so much written on it,
00:57:37
box
from other black writers, black horror fans that talk about it.
00:57:41
Jim Phoenix
The director itself though. Romero says it though.
00:57:45
box
But he never pushed it.
00:57:45
Jim Phoenix
I don't...
00:57:47
box
He never pushed it except for in the movie. He didn't say, this is a black movie.
00:57:51
Jim Phoenix
but He does. In interviews, he does.
00:57:56
box
Does he?
00:57:57
Jim Phoenix
Yeah. Like Romero himself talks about this race wars.
00:57:59
box
Okay.
00:58:03
box
Okay, i I'm sorry. I stand corrected.
00:58:05
Jim Phoenix
No, you're sitting down, don't lie.
00:58:06
box
But I'm still, I'm still, it's a standing desk, I could stand if I want.
00:58:12
Jim Phoenix
Wait until I have to meet Mark Patton later on. This is going to be awkward as fuck. Oh, so about your documentary. No, I like the box of the heated. I liked it.
00:58:22
box
Anyway, okay, we gotta, we gotta wrap up.
00:58:24
Jim Phoenix
I know we do.
00:58:24
box
This is, okay, so what do you, I'm calling you out, what do you give it?
00:58:24
Jim Phoenix
I know. So I'm giving you that you go first. You go first.
00:58:32
Jim Phoenix
I'm going to give it the Bugs Bunny treatment. I sincerely do not think that Nightmare on the Street 2 is gay. However. I do think that Mark Patton believes that it was gay, and that made him feel uncomfortable, according to the movies, and then that jeopardizes Hollywood career, and he didn't get enough acting jobs after that, right? He just pulls out of acting, it was homophobic at the time, or forever, I guess, not even at the time, period. And I think as a documentary,
00:59:10
Jim Phoenix
for Mark Patton, it works really well. It's a documentary on the movie, Little One Side.
00:59:14
box
Mm-hmm.
00:59:18
Jim Phoenix
So I'm not gonna give it a full five out of five. I'm giving this one 3.5.
00:59:22
box
Your dancing movie is probably one-sided.
00:59:25
Jim Phoenix
3.5.
00:59:26
box
Because it's about dancing. Okay. I do think that this movie is gay. I do think...
00:59:32
Jim Phoenix
Well this movie is, yeah. Like the documentary, this is gay as fuck.
00:59:36
box
I feel...
00:59:37
Jim Phoenix
this is
00:59:37
box
I feel like the second... I feel like the second movie is gay.
00:59:40
Jim Phoenix
oh sorry
00:59:42
box
I appreciate it more because of it, but at the time, there was a lot of hatred that went to the movie and to the actor.
00:59:47
Jim Phoenix
Oh, sorry.
00:59:51
box
And so, but at the same time, like I said, it bums me out. It bums me out. So I'm going to also give it 3.5.
01:00:01
Jim Phoenix
Oh, we agreed on the thing, on the rating.
01:00:04
box
We agreed on the rating.
01:00:06
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, that's all it cares.
01:00:07
box
Now.
01:00:08
Jim Phoenix
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
01:00:09
box
All right.
01:00:11
Jim Phoenix
All right, box.
01:00:12
box
It's not open.
01:00:14
Jim Phoenix
That is our best horror documentaries. A little long because we had the Bugs Bunny debate again, which was fine.
01:00:17
box
Yes.
01:00:20
box
Mm-hmm. You should go back and listen. You should go back and listen to that because there is a moment where you're like, what?
'Companion' Movie Review
01:00:28
box
Yeah.
01:00:28
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I'm still going to go back like, what? Bugs Bunny wasn't gay.
01:00:33
box
I'm saying as a queer person, seeing this, I'm like, oh, he's like me.
01:00:38
Jim Phoenix
You kiss I'm real fud.
01:00:40
box
I do.
01:00:41
Jim Phoenix
Oh, well, there you go.
01:00:41
box
and he gets in a dress and we get married every night.
01:00:46
Jim Phoenix
I'll very die.
01:00:47
box
Cause every night's our wedding night.
01:00:49
Jim Phoenix
Hmm. Okay. So you also watched a new movie companion.
01:00:51
box
Anyway, and was it's about a girl and she's going to and ah ah like a weekend with her boyfriend and his friends and things go awry.
01:00:54
Jim Phoenix
What's that one about?
01:01:06
box
And that's all I'm saying. Nobody watch any of the trailers.
01:01:09
Jim Phoenix
Okay. So the trailer is going to spoil it.
01:01:09
box
If you haven't heard any, Yes, and if you've heard anything about it, tell them to shut up.
01:01:15
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
01:01:15
box
Because you should go in there blind, you should go in there cold, you should go in there just to experience it.
01:01:22
Jim Phoenix
Blind colon experience sounds like my Tinder date.
01:01:23
box
Which is...
01:01:26
box
It sounds like Freddy. So yeah, so it's... Remember we put a pin in the women thing?
01:01:36
Jim Phoenix
Oh, that's the one. I thought you're coming back to the pin to the actual documentary.
01:01:39
Jim Phoenix
Okay. Okay. Yes. Yes.
01:01:41
box
you no have No, this is the pen about women being in horror. This is the movie about that. This is the movie about that.
01:01:49
Jim Phoenix
right myor
01:01:53
box
And I'm not going to say too much, but it's funnier than you think it's going to be.
01:01:53
Jim Phoenix
Okay,
01:01:56
box
You're going to have some laugh out loud moments and it's very poignant in other moments.
01:01:57
Jim Phoenix
right. Really?
01:02:01
box
And the acting is phenomenal and it's just great writing, which is so surprising because the guy wrote
01:02:07
Jim Phoenix
really
01:02:10
box
Fred, the Fred movie three. So I guess if you go, I have a review on it. The plug that I chose for this review is Fred, the movie three.
01:02:21
Jim Phoenix
Fred movie 3.
01:02:23
box
Yeah. Cause that's the same writer and director of this movie.
01:02:25
Jim Phoenix
There's the... There's her Fred.
01:02:29
box
The Fred movies. Have you ever seen the Fred movies?
01:02:32
Jim Phoenix
Drop dead Fred.
01:02:33
box
No, no, no, no, no. Or have you ever seen Fred from YouTube? but You're lucky.
01:02:37
Jim Phoenix
Why the fuck would I?
01:02:38
box
You're blessed. You're blessed. Go. Go in peace, my child.
01:02:43
Jim Phoenix
Oh, it's a YouTuber.
01:02:44
box
Um, he's the writer.
01:02:46
Jim Phoenix
So you're you're talking about some guy who's a YouTuber directing this.
01:02:50
box
No, he's not the, he, he's not the YouTuber. He just wrote Fred 3. Cam Fred. And he also did the, wrote for the TV show, which is funny because again,
01:03:03
box
and You look at Fred and you're like, ugh, but this, I'm telling you guys, the writing is solid. It's, there's solid laughs. There's so, the acting is so good.
01:03:12
Jim Phoenix
I'm so fucking old.
01:03:13
box
I gotta get, you are so fucking old. let me get the, it's,
01:03:16
Jim Phoenix
Fred three. Okay. Is this supposed to be a horror comedy?
01:03:25
box
yes, the intention is there, but it's, it's very ah ah horror. look at women. It's, it's looking at women and, their agency and, and there's some laughs in there, surprisingly.
01:03:43
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
01:03:44
box
The special effects are great. They're very goopy, very practical.
01:03:46
Jim Phoenix
Nice.
01:03:49
box
the characters are very interesting. The story is very interesting. It's got a sci-fi horror twist. It's fun. It's a lot of fun.
01:03:59
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
01:03:59
box
Yeah, even on Wikipedia, it gives it all away, which sucks.
01:04:04
Jim Phoenix
Yeah. It's just
01:04:06
box
It gives it all away. There's other ones, though, too. It's got a 93 Rotten Tomatoes.
01:04:12
Jim Phoenix
So just go watch it.
01:04:12
box
It's good.
01:04:13
Jim Phoenix
What's your score?
01:04:13
box
Go watch it.
01:04:14
Jim Phoenix
What's your score?
01:04:15
box
It's good. Five.
01:04:17
Jim Phoenix
Five out of five. Refuse. Damn. All right.
01:04:20
box
I loved it. It was fun. I'm going to it again, but I'm going to buy it when it comes out.
01:04:25
Jim Phoenix
There you go.
01:04:25
box
I'm not going to.
01:04:25
Jim Phoenix
Go buy when it comes out. You go watch it. It's called companion and five out of five.
01:04:30
box
Companions.
01:04:31
Jim Phoenix
That's better than the other one that
'Knight's War 2025' Movie Review
01:04:33
Jim Phoenix
we kind of watched. Although we did some fives today.
01:04:35
box
We can do this.
01:04:36
Jim Phoenix
I've got a Knight's War 2025. 2025 from Matthew Ninibar, director and writer, starring Jeremy Ninibar, Christian Castor, and Matthew Ninibar. I have this as a screener for a review. I read the synopsis and I was all in. Although the IMDB looks kind of fucked.
01:05:02
box
What's the census?
01:05:04
Jim Phoenix
A fearless knight braves a deadly realm to save the chosen one's soul. And guess who the chosen one is? they ginger They're They're gingers.
01:05:15
box
Tererede.
01:05:16
Jim Phoenix
No, I, I, I, TeraReed would have fucking made this movie at the Kino.
01:05:17
box
Tererede. Tererede in a red wig.
01:05:23
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, if TeraReed was in a red wig, the movie, I'm sorry, that would just win an Oscar.
01:05:27
box
And then they did like one of those like, you know, uh, those two, like the twin thing.
01:05:34
Jim Phoenix
Sort of. That's Freaky Friday you're thinking of. But this one...
01:05:39
box
friday that's when they switch I'm thinking of paratrap.
01:05:42
Jim Phoenix
Oh, parent trap.
01:05:42
box
Paratrap.
01:05:43
Jim Phoenix
I saw the original.
01:05:45
box
There we go.
01:05:46
Jim Phoenix
But this is facing witches, demons, and brutal foes.
01:05:47
box
there's
01:05:48
Jim Phoenix
He discovers her return could ignite chaos and doom humanity. It's actually really good. It's funny.
01:05:58
box
Of course it is.
01:06:00
Jim Phoenix
It's funny. It's got the tagline, no gods, no mercy. The poster is straight out of Dungeons and Dragons 1985. You know, straight out of all these movies that were kind of spooky fantasy movie type things. And if I have to sum this up, it is live, die, repeat with Tom Cruise without Tom Cruise.
01:06:29
Jim Phoenix
whatever that movie became now, like Oblivion or Endless Tomorrow, what the original line was live, die, repeat.
01:06:37
box
yeah actually I actually liked that movie.
01:06:40
Jim Phoenix
Right, if you like that movie, you'll love this movie too.
01:06:43
box
Does it have dragons?
01:06:43
Jim Phoenix
The concepts are a bit the same. Not to give anything away. I mean, that is the fucking chosen one curse.
01:06:48
box
Does it have
01:06:52
Jim Phoenix
It's got a bunch of shit. It's got some big Beth. It's got some Shakespearean stuff going on. It's got some stuff that is amazing. I love the costuming. It's it's really well acted and the scenery is straight out of Game of Thrones if they had a better budget.
01:07:11
box
I'm not hearing about dragons though.
01:07:15
Jim Phoenix
What do you mean? You want to drag on? Will you Oz and Skeev? No, not everything has a dragon.
01:07:20
box
Okay, so what's the monster?
01:07:21
Jim Phoenix
Check.
01:07:22
box
What's the thing? What's the problem?
01:07:25
Jim Phoenix
Wishes and demons and barbarians and all sorts of stuff. They're trying to kill someone because they have red hair.
01:07:32
Jim Phoenix
Think about that, a society trying to mark out a woman just because she has red hair.
01:07:32
box
and i think it's
01:07:38
Jim Phoenix
And then she.
01:07:38
box
I really feel like this should have been given to Tara Reid.
01:07:42
Jim Phoenix
Oh, I think Terramine knocked us out of the park, but I also do know, I know that Chris and Castor knocked us out of the fucking park, so does Chris McCallen. A lot of Christmas today.
01:07:54
Jim Phoenix
A lot of people named Christian and Ninibars. All over. Bunch of sexy people.
01:07:58
box
flat our this is You know what they say about those Ninebars, sexy people.
01:08:00
Jim Phoenix
A bunch of sexy people.
01:08:03
Jim Phoenix
yeah ah ah One bite does it all. wait This movie is getting decent ratings on IMDB. I think it's a little bit low on IMDB. And it is a great cross between action, fantasy, and horror. And a little bit of comedy, but the comedy is more self-aware. It's on purpose.
01:08:26
box
Okay.
01:08:27
Jim Phoenix
And I really enjoy the movie a lot. I won't give much away. I probably said too much with the live, die, and repeat thing.
01:08:38
Jim Phoenix
But like the choreography is decent.
01:08:39
box
a
01:08:43
Jim Phoenix
the The acting is phenomenal, just the setting, the scenes and the, man, I don't know who made these costumes, but they did good a great job.
01:08:55
Jim Phoenix
The special effects are very practically there. Meaning they're mostly practical. Yeah.
01:09:03
box
but is what you do it' just about me
01:09:04
Jim Phoenix
Now they're mostly practical.
01:09:05
box
Okay.
01:09:06
Jim Phoenix
I mean, there's obviously some CAGI in this, but it's mostly it's practical effect.
01:09:09
box
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's an NSA.
01:09:12
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
01:09:12
box
I would imagine there's something being CGI. Okay, so what what are you thinking about it?
01:09:17
Jim Phoenix
The Night's War, I'm giving this a 4.5 out of 5.
01:09:21
box
Okay, that's pretty happy.
01:09:22
Jim Phoenix
It's an hour 43 minutes, pretty tight. It's a decent, probably family movie, not little kids. Little kids would be scared shitless from the witches.
01:09:33
box
Okay. So is it, is it like a PG-3, a PG-13, like, I don't know, like, uh, Nightmare on Elm Street? Or is it like a PG?
01:09:44
Jim Phoenix
We discovered Nightmare on Elm Street was rated R, by the way.
01:09:44
box
Okay.
01:09:49
Jim Phoenix
This is like a PG-13 Cruel Jaws.
01:09:53
box
yeah Okay.
01:09:54
Jim Phoenix
I don't think it's rated yet, though. I don't see it rating, at least, on this.
01:09:56
box
it Okay. Okay.
01:10:00
Jim Phoenix
But it's out right now. Shit, it was out like three days ago. Go watch it. 4.5 stars on Night's War.
01:10:05
box
What did I say? Where? Where? Where?
Where to Watch the Discussed Content
01:10:08
box
Where? Where should we watch this?
01:10:08
Jim Phoenix
Go Amazon, the official website, go look it up. All good.
01:10:12
box
It's okay.
Episode Reflection and Future Hints
01:10:13
Jim Phoenix
And that is it for our first show of 2025.
01:10:13
box
Am I? No.
01:10:16
Jim Phoenix
A little bit long. We don't usually to go this long, but we've have...
01:10:17
box
No, it's not. No, no.
Long Show Duration and Tangents
01:10:21
box
I wanna say, I wanna say my plug.
01:10:21
Jim Phoenix
Oh wait, we'll be you know with do plugs and stuff like that. Jeez.
01:10:25
box
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
01:10:26
Jim Phoenix
I don't think I was gonna forget plugs.
01:10:27
box
Oh, okay. I thought you were just gonna say like, no.
01:10:28
Jim Phoenix
Anyways, and today we're... I'm joking.
01:10:31
box
You son of a bitch.
01:10:33
Jim Phoenix
I'm joking. Now, welcome back everyone.
Humorous 'Gay' Scenarios Discussion
01:10:38
Jim Phoenix
2025, we're doing not like an hour and 20 minute shows usually.
01:10:40
box
talking
01:10:43
Jim Phoenix
We did kind of get off on a tangent on, yeah, and Box got into our, Box and I got into our, is it gay?
01:10:43
box
It's the first time back It's the first time which is like our new segment is this I think it's just gonna be you pulling up something and be like is this is this
01:10:56
Jim Phoenix
I think that was like half hour.
01:11:00
Jim Phoenix
I think so, is this gay?
01:11:06
Jim Phoenix
Is this, is Tara Reid shallow and gay?
01:11:09
box
Is this gay? Is my cat gay?
01:11:10
Jim Phoenix
Is this gay? Now, if Tara Reid was in this movie, would that be gay? Although, Jesus, could you imagine Tara Reid at age would be in Nightmare on Elm Street 2?
01:11:16
box
Would that be gay?
01:11:23
Jim Phoenix
That'll be sexy as fuck. That movie would be sexy as fuck. You kidding me?
01:11:26
box
That would be pretty fun. That would be pretty fun.
01:11:28
Jim Phoenix
That'll be fucking amazing movie.
01:11:29
box
That would be really good.
01:11:31
Jim Phoenix
Oh my God. I want AI to do that. I don't care. Any of those rights and shit like that.
01:11:36
box
No!
01:11:37
Jim Phoenix
I want AI to do that for me.
01:11:39
Jim Phoenix
That's all I want.
01:11:40
box
maybe maybe if you hit a million you can get like the rights to it yeah yeah i do want to plug something because yes i am ready a go go be a comic or something go be a
01:11:44
Jim Phoenix
Get the rights of the nightmare too? Yeah. No, I think it's more than that. I think it's more than that. All right. So plug for you, Brannak, if you want to plug something. Ready? Oh, pain came back. 2025.
Promoting 'Fandom Trumps Hate' Charity
01:12:05
box
cartoon
01:12:06
Jim Phoenix
with more Bidens.
01:12:08
box
me Anyway, so I've plugged it before, I'm gonna plug it again because signups are coming at the end of this month. Go there, fandom trumps hate, just google it or duck duck go it or however you want to look it up. You can basically stick it to the man by giving tons of money to charity and getting something cool as a gift. So just go to fandom trumps hate.
01:12:38
box
They're on, uh, what's that one? Tumblr. They're on Tumblr.
01:12:42
Jim Phoenix
What the fuck's a tumblr?
01:12:42
box
so signups. Yeah. So signups are at the end of this month to basically bid on, uh, fan arts that are created. They also have a bizarre that you can like a craft like shop thing that you can find crafts and stuff.
01:12:57
box
And all of it goes a hundred percent to charity. Like you don't even like filter money through anything. You go and you buy, you know, you go and you donate. And then you get a fun gift.
01:13:09
Jim Phoenix
It's fandom trumps, plural, hate.
01:13:09
box
So yeah, yeah like we're trumping hate.
01:13:16
Jim Phoenix
So F-A-N-D-O-M-T-R-U-M-P-S-H-A-T-E dot com.
01:13:22
box
You know, I'm homeschooled. I can't spell.
01:13:24
Jim Phoenix
Uh-huh.
01:13:24
box
Yes.
01:13:26
Jim Phoenix
Nah, just making sure I got the right answer.
01:13:27
box
you know i Yeah, fandom trumps hate. You will see that it is a and Tumblr post. Go on that, they have all the facts, they have all the information. I've done it for like four years. It's a fun experience. And again, 100% goes to charities, ranging from environmental to social issues to clean water, affordable living,
01:13:52
box
health care for women, females, abortion care, all the gamut. There's tons and tons of charities you can choose from. It's, it's a lot of fun.
01:14:03
box
So give them your money.
01:14:04
Jim Phoenix
That sounds good. so Sounds good. Go check
Books from Drive-in Auctions and Charity Engagement
01:14:06
Jim Phoenix
it out. And I'm going to plug me getting a shit ton of books from the last drive-in auction. Oh yeah, they delivered.
01:14:15
box
see
01:14:17
Jim Phoenix
I got like a crate of fucking books.
01:14:17
box
oh who
01:14:19
Jim Phoenix
So if you ever want to, oh, I don't know, give some monies and you have a lots of monies and you like bedding and gambling is kind of like betting.
01:14:20
box
but
01:14:29
Jim Phoenix
Maybe they'll have another auction later on this year and then you guys can see if you can help bid me. But spoiler, you bitches won't.
01:14:37
box
Yeah, you you won't be able to, but you can start that gambling addiction now by Phantom Trump 8, and then by the time that Joe brings so bob Briggs rolls around, you'll be really ready.
01:14:45
Jim Phoenix
That's right.
01:14:49
Jim Phoenix
And they're starting robot breaks with the last drive in March. I've been for some of that. All that more on next, next, next stream of demons. Bye y'all.
01:15:02
Jim Phoenix
better
01:15:10
box
I'm dancing again. It's really good. It's like a princess dance now.
01:15:33
Jim Phoenix
ah ah hear a cat