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Episode 25: Smile & Wave: Navigating Holiday Triggers
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In this episode, we sit down for an honest conversation about why family gatherings can feel so overwhelming and how easily old triggers can resurface. Whether it’s political disagreements, guilt-trips, unsolicited advice, or people trying to parent your kids. We don’t pretend to have all the answers, but we explore what it looks like to stay grounded, hold our boundaries, understand our reactions and find ways to protect our peace without losing your cool or betraying your own emotions.
Above all, this episode is about navigating the messy, human reality of family dynamics, remembering that our peace is ultimately ours to protect, and giving ourselves grace as we figure it all out together.
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
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Welcome to What's My Age Again, the realest podcast for women who are done chasing trends and ready to feel empowered. Hi, I'm Kim. And I'm Tanya, holistic nutritionists and childhood best friends who've been there, done that, and bought the collagen.
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more than once. Each week we provide actionable steps that you can start today to help you thrive through every decade to
Mission and Purpose of the Podcast
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come. We're cutting through the wellness noise to bring you honest conversations about aging, hormones, health, beauty, mindset, and everything in between.
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You see, we're also on a mission to age gracefully one WTF moment at a time. Backed by research and real life, we're here to share what actually works, what's a waste of time, and how to truly thrive through the messy, magical midlife transition.
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We're so happy you're here.
Navigating Holiday Stress
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Let's dive in. Hey everybody, welcome back to What's My Age again. Kim, how are you? I'm good. We're right in the center of the holiday season.
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Oh my God, that we are. That we are. So we were thinking that everybody was listening right now, this is like a grab a mug, grab a matcha, grab a hot tea. Hey, grab a healing drink that we talked about in the last week's episode. um And be cozy with us. These are one of, the this is one of our favorite types of episodes that back and forth, friendly conversation, real talk that really opens up a lot of emotions and healing and gives us all something to think about. And I think it's really needed at this exact time in the holiday season.
00:01:47
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Absolutely. And I've been, both Tanya and I actually, when planning this episode, we were sort of talking about what we're talking to our clients about. And it keeps coming up over and over, this sort of worry about family or family.
Family Triggers and Boundaries
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holiday get-togethers over the holidays. And it applies to nutrition in the fact that like for the clients that have, you know, that are working on a healing diet, for clients who have, you know, changed the way they live their life and eat, and then they're going into a holiday setting and get set with maybe not the best, you know, there's comments. I mean, I remember when I changed my diet completely, it was like, oh my gosh, gluten-free? What? What are we going to feed her?
00:02:36
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Good one, Kim. like It's like you go into the holiday season um and everything might seem difficult and like it's going to fall apart specifically when we arrive in that family setting. Again, whether it's your your blood family or your family of choice, but we all know that sometimes it feels hard to stay calm because we become activated. We become triggered for many reasons. And today we just want to talk about that because it's real. It happens to all of us. And how can we hold our boundaries? How can we bring ourselves back? How can we work through this so we enjoy the holidays and don't leave going,
00:03:28
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shoot. Man, like I wish I would have had that under control. Now I regret it, but I didn't know what to do in the moment. Absolutely. We want to enjoy our holidays.
00:03:39
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And so that's what we're going to dive into today. As Tanya said, when we get activated, and there can be many reasons to get activated, right? Like I talked about food and that's sort of where this idea of the episode came from, from our clients.
Managing Emotions During Holidays
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But also let's talk like the big ones, politics, religion, you know, what's going on right now in this world. And there can be, you know, some family members, some people that we we get together this holiday season may not align with us. We may have triggers from our past. We might feel guilty or resentful.
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I think we said it before in our nervous system episode, the holiday season comes with so many emotions already. There's the joy, there's the laughter, but there's also sometimes guilt, sometimes resentment if you're the one doing everything this holiday season. There's grief. And it's just this like huge, jam-packed, tons of emotions, right?
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It's the human experience. So take a second right now and take stock of your body. I bet you, as Kim was talking about the gamut of emotions, the triggers, you know, the feelings, you might feel a little something. And now that you stop, you might feel your heart rate might be going a little bit faster. You might be a little agitated. I actually got a tiny bit agitated when you were saying, Kim, like what the triggers can be. And This is an important lesson for us. Subconsciously, irritability and this agitation is the first sign to us that our nervous system isn't regulated.
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And when we go into situations like that, dysregulated, we're not able to understand in the moment how we can hold boundaries. And this is a big one for me.
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How can we ahead of time quiet this self-talk and how can we understand our triggers and then understand why these triggers are so important? Because I love this saying and I've said it before, my triggers are nobody's responsibility except my own.
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Right? Absolutely. And I need to take responsibility for my triggers instead of reacting to them. And this is not to say that it doesn't feel valid when we're not aligned to someone to want to react. But in my experience...
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Starting to examine and understand the patterns in our triggers, where they're coming from, is one of the most valuable pieces of information and one of the most valuable tools we can have as we head into this holiday season.
Handling Tension from Adult Lifestyles
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Yeah, Tanya, I totally agree with you. And it's interesting because, you know, I love my counselor and she walks me through a lot of these things. um And because, you know, we can we can like kind of look to what our triggers are, but Sometimes having a conversation about it and digging deeper is so important because honestly, some of the things that came up for me, i had no idea. And it's true when we get into these, I mean, I love my family and I know like spending the holidays with my family is so important to me, but...
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A lot of the triggers can come from childhood. what and And being with the people that you've spent your entire childhood, there are certain things that can trigger you, you know? For sure. And I feel the exact same way. I am so excited that my mom comes out here and her best friend's actually coming out here for like three weeks as well to spend time with us. And I literally, it's the time of my life. But exactly. Here's the other thing that I think of too.
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We're all adults now. And we're all living our own lives and we all do things certain ways and we do things different ways. So even though we have that love for our family and triggers can be rooted in childhood, they can come back loud and clear because we're not dealing with them every single day. It's when we come together and we combine our adult lives together that we're not necessarily fitting like a puzzle anymore and we're You know, those feelings come up, that irritation, that, you know, resentment, that guilt, that anger. And I think when we were talking earlier about this, Kim, before this was even going to be an episode, um one of the things that you told me and it stuck in my mind was, how do you not end up in a spiral?
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Like, how can we stop ourselves? That's really kind of what we're getting to the heart of right now is how do we stop ourselves going on that whole out of control spiral, especially when lovingly, let's just say it for a lot of us, our family our families know our triggers more than we do, right? Right.
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Yeah, that's true. That's actually true. I know how to push my sister's buttons. She knows how to push my buttons. Of course, of course. It's so true. And it's, yeah, like, and also, you know, there's, i'm having kids for me too comes with just more of the things like, you know, we get the, oh, but I know you're not eating this way, but can't your kids just have one or let's just give them one or whatever. And it's just like, I can feel the anger rise in them. Yeah, and I'm sure a lot of people listening now, I bet you some of you ladies are feeling that anger creep in, even now talking about it. Or what about, can you not just, it's like it's it's Christmas. Can you not just have a slice of turkey for a special occasion? I don't eat meat.
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I haven't eaten meat in like 14 years. No. And I feel all my anger going up, like thinking like, what don't you understand about that? And these are the spirals that we're talking about.
00:09:35
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How can we diffuse those? How can we understand the emotions behind those? No, absolutely. I think, you know, one, actually one book that I absolutely love, um, it's super popular right now. Let Them by Mel Robbins. Have you read that one?
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I have heard about it everywhere. i have not read it. Can you give us a little synopsis or? Yeah. Well, I, it's, it's, Essentially, it's basically taking the control back, right? Let them, the theory is,
'Let Them' Concept by Mel Robbins
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you know, Uncle Ed is going to be Uncle Ed.
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Let him. Let him be who he is. And owning how you react to it so that you don't, as you said, end up in that spiral. Right.
00:10:23
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I love that. And it's kind of reminds me of a couple things. So let me go with this thought first. um I love it. Let them. And let them, I feel, is a powerful phrase, but it doesn't mean let them and then at the same time discount your emotions. Let them and then practice toxic positivity. When I think of let them, I think of let them because This is who they are and this is the situation and examine how much does this really matter to you if you can work on a way of, you know, letting it go or understanding, you know, that power that the power behind let them.
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Right. It's not discounting how you're feeling and it's not saying let them and join them. But like in the grand scheme of things, Uncle Ed is probably going to be Uncle Ed.
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So olin let him. it Totally. It's more about not controlling them. You can't control or change how they are, right? And it's sort of, and that's sort of what ends up happening. I know too, like some of you, if you're going into a situation and I've done this myself, you rehearse, literally you rehearse conversations like, oh my goodness, my, you know, mother-in-law, this is not the truth, Lucy. I love my mother-in-law. My mother-in-law is going to give my kids X, Y, Z to eat. And you start rehearsing the conversation that you're going to have but before that.
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Like, so this is where this will encourage you to sort of, you're not going to change that person. You're just going to change how you react and, Yeah.
00:12:03
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Yeah. And I think that feeds into what I've said a couple times already. Examine your bodies right now. How are you feeling? As we're talking about these, a lot of us are probably literally thinking ahead already of our holiday gatherings and creating stories, some of which probably will be true because they've happened year after year, but some of which, which might never happen. And you're already creating that situation. Yeah.
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Instead of examining how, you know, can you protect your peace and understand your triggers. And it reminds me of a saying that, honestly, I've been using for most of this year now, and it's brought me so much peace. And I guess it's along the line of let them smile and wave.
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So what does this mean? It means. A lot of times in the day in our day-to-day life, I'll give ah an example, even just, you know, not doing what the holidays, going to the doctor, getting some blood work done, your doctor telling you, you know, what they feel about the blood work, what needs to be done, et cetera. And me completely disagreeing because there's lots of different ways that we can approach our own health. And I smile and I wave because in my mind now,
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I thank them for their expertise in the field that they are experts in, which is medicine, different than what I'm an expert in. I'm not going to get combative and, you know, say, well, don't agree or like that doesn't make sense or whatever. It's okay. I'm going smile and wave because I'm going want to do, I'm going to do what I'm going to do anyways. So applying that to the holidays as well, you know, when,
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let's Let's stop picking on Uncle Ed when like cousin cousin Karen is like, you know, spews out something that you completely disagree with on something that could be very, very um heightened, you know, like those topics, politics or health or whatever.
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here i so In my head, I'm like smile and wave, you know, doesn't mean I agree, doesn't mean that I, you know, disagree, but kind of along the lines of let them. Totally. I love that, Tanya. I love that. And it's like, I think, you know, to go a little further with that too is I know there are the people that sit at the same table with me sometimes, you know, even my husband and I, like there are things that we disagree on or like we have opposite sort of viewpoints on, but we can have a really great conversation about it. And it's, and it's great. We're both listening to each other's point of view, not trying to change your mind, but just sort of getting an understanding of what the other is thinking. And then there are the people, that the cousin Karen, the smile and wave people, where you know you're going to be up against this brick wall, that you're like, I know I'm not going to get into this conversation with Karen. And I think that's where your smile and wave comes in. Okay?
00:14:50
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Thank you. you but i used to say, it's funny, I was in special events and marketing for years and years and years, and my boss, I loved her. She used to say, when we had a difficult vendor, maybe sometimes we'd be like, okay, make them happy and move them on. And that's sort of that that same way of thinking. I love this. And you explained it so eloquently.
00:15:13
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I completely agree. The people in your lives that you know, no matter what, you're going to hit that brick wall and butt heads. What's the point? What's the point point? There's no point. And here's where I think about it very, very deeply.
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Everything for me is about my health and my wellness. It's no secret that I tell people, you need to put yourself first. How many times have I said that on the podcast? As women, we need to put ourselves first. So when I really...
00:15:44
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have tried to examine my triggers. I'm like, I i know that I'm mad still. And I still feel that anger rising. I go back to this, Tanya, is it worth my health?
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Because we've talked about this. We know what happens when we get stressed, when we get angry. We know that we go into the parasympathetic. We don't have to go into all of that right now. So I simply say, is it worth
Addressing Inappropriate Comments
00:16:10
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my health? And then we can take action.
00:16:14
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What does that mean? When I feel that blood pressure rising and I just don't know how, you know what I mean, to examine my trigger in that moment and be calm, remove yourself. But remove yourself, i'm not dramatically, like push away from the table and throw your napkin. No, I'm talking like, oh, I'll be right back. Just got to go the bathroom. Or you know what I mean? Check on something on the kitchen. Go and then use your strategies.
00:16:39
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Take your three deep breaths somewhere and you'll be surprised at how clear-headed you can come back knowing you protected your health and your peace. Totally. Totally. And I think also, like, again, since I've had kids, there are certain things, like, I've been in social situations where there's been, like, absolutely inappropriate things that have been said.
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And, you know, even though I would be coming up against that brick wall, I've still said something just because my child is sitting there and I don't want them to think, like, oh, mom agrees with this because she's not saying anything. So there are things that... you know, that you can kind of just kind of, well, I disagree or that was inappropriate or whatever you want to say and move on. Totally, Penny, I agree. And, you know, at the end of the day, like, like you said, what's the price that you're going to pay on ruminating?
00:17:29
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Like, I think about being like that feeling of getting so riled up and then thinking, oh, I should have said this. Why didn't I say this? You can like, why does this person feel this way? And like you this this rumination can last for so long.
00:17:46
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One, it has real physical effects on your body. As you're ruminating, it's doing things biochemically to your health. And I agree with you, Kim. It's all in how we say it. And I'm so glad you brought up that point exactly. Not toxic positivity. Not smile and wave and keep your mouth shut at your detriment. If there's something that is really...
00:18:08
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not right. It doesn't sit right with you. There are ways of saying it. And then still removing yourself, you know, like, oh, you know, that's an interesting take. I actually can't tell you I agree with that at all. And that's okay. Let's not, you know what I mean? Let's agree to disagree and steer it away, you know, because again, when we sit down and think about it, it can go either way and it's the holidays. So i think all of us go into it with that goal of wanting to have a good time. We love our families. We're certainly all different people. We have different beliefs. We're different from our families at core levels, at different levels, but like we want to come together and have fun. So the more that we fixate on, you know, not, sorry, fixate on potential issues that,
00:19:01
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versus the more we can practice in these coming weeks, systems of keeping our cool. Like we don't want to get to January and say, shoot, like another holiday gone by and I kind of regret the way I reacted or like, I want to come through it saying,
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There were some tough moments there, you know, when someone asked me, like, that's you're going to wear the ripped jeans and the flannel at Christmas dinner? i am. But I want to have come through that in a certain way and not reacting. I want to be able to act to it calmly and not react
Emotions and Humor in Family Situations
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in the moment. And this is a good time to be having this conversation as we prepare to really start to gather at these family gatherings, right? Yeah.
00:19:46
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Totally, totally. And I think, you know what, just to go back to the trigger and the feeling for a second, like one of the things, I think we've talked about this in our nervous system episode as well. I'm not quite sure, but you may have heard about this.
00:20:01
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um a lot of people speak to this, but emotions, emotions move through you at about 60 to 90 seconds, right? It takes 60 to 90 seconds for an emotion to move through you.
00:20:14
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So when you get triggered by cousin Karen, as Tanya said, getting up and walking away and just taking those, even going to the bathroom, putting your hands on the counter and taking some deep breaths, give yourself those 90 seconds to let that feeling pass hence and then relax.
00:20:35
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Let it go, let it let them, right? And let it go so that you can get back to your peace, right? And I think, is and doing this as a gift to yourself, right? Because this whole, you know, this episode, we therere again, like as you said, there's it's not toxic positivity. It's not that you agree with Cousin Karen. It's not that you, you know, don't feel like getting into it. It's not like, you know, you are getting mad and there's a reason for it.
00:21:02
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But let's not ruminate on it, as you said, because that is where we get into this cycle where we start spinning about it and we lose our joy from that.
00:21:13
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Absolutely. And I'm laughing thinking about this because I know we've all done it. I've walked to the bathroom too and turned on the light. And as I'm taking my breath, stared at myself and I'm like, mother of God, what is happening? And sometimes- Makes sense. Exactly. And like, I think of guys, not the smoking part, but I'm sorry, this meme is like my joy and me and my husband laugh about it all the time. And I know you all have seen it. Ben Affleck, when he's standing outside and he he just looks like he needs to take 19 deep breaths.
00:21:46
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And he was like, Oh my God, like we've all been there. Um, and like, yeah, we're not ignoring our emotions. So here's another thought as well, because I've done this too. So if in the moment,
00:21:59
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You know, this we we take our breath, we come back, and we're dealing with someone who might be receptive to a chat later. That's another tactic for me. So later on, like when the moment has passed, and, you know, everybody's jolly again, you're having some, I don't know, oat, milk, eggnog, hate eggnog, but that's what came to my mind. mean, I don't know. I hate eggnog, but I love Christmas vacation in the moose mug. So when I think of Christmas, I think of Uncle Eddie. Oh my God, he actually called. That's what you probably triggered it subconsciously when you said Uncle Ed. That is so Cousin Eddie. But anyways, all related. Thank you for coming on my mind warp. But having a conversation later when the emotion has been lowered and saying, hey, you know, Uncle Ed.
00:22:50
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Can I talk to you for just a second? He's all jolly now, you know what I mean? um Whether it's the eggnog or the moments past. And that's when you can say, if you feel like it's going to be productive. You know, earlier when you said this, I was really upset and I did get up and I did want to take a breath and I didn't want to get into it there. but And kind of have that little chat.
00:23:09
Speaker
Hopefully, you know, your instincts are right and a little discussion can be had and maybe it'll change it, maybe it won't, but that's also another way that helps you kind of work through your feelings in a productive manner, not in the height of like the emotion.
00:23:24
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Totally. Absolutely. i think that's a really good point, Tanya. When things are de-escalated, that's the time that you can go back and like, and actually have a productive conversation. Totally. The other thing that I think that is so like, you know, I think about you, Tanya, like I think about, I would probably be in the be bathroom texting you or sending you a voice note, guess what? Or like my sister or my mom, like being, having those people where you can look at them and be like, oh, here we go again. You know, like, it's There's a bit of, I don't know, that kind of helps diffuse situations for me, having that teammate.
00:24:00
Speaker
Because that brings joy. You're right. At big family gatherings, like when I used to um be in Ontario and go to Ottawa, it's my cousins, they're my hearts. Things would go on and you'd just find their eyes and you're like, here, yep, here we go again. Kim gets like a 19-minute voice note for me and she's like, let me listen to this in private. But it makes sense, right? Because it's also...
00:24:23
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bringing that joy and that laughter, understanding that we, like you said earlier, um we can't change the person or the situation per se, but we can change how we diffuse it and how we react to it.
00:24:37
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And that makes all the difference. And I think, Kim, the core of this for me and having like this conversation, which is so empowering for me anyways, I hope it is for everybody else, is that I'm realizing as time passes, life really is short. You know
Self-Reflection and Empathy
00:24:55
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what I mean? The days feel long, but the years can feel really short and they go at warp speed. And so my mom told me this only gets worse. And I'm like, great, because it already feels like it's going real fast.
00:25:07
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Right? Totally. How... Do I want to spend my holidays? Do I want to spend them angry and triggered and all of these things? And again, we're not brushing these emotions under the rug, but for what this episode is and what we're talking about, or do we want to diffuse the situation, let it be, smile, let them be, sorry, smile and wave because at the end of the day,
00:25:33
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Does it really matter what Uncle Ed thinks about politics or, you know, what Karen thinks about your diet and the fact that you don't eat gluten being ridiculous? Does that matter? How much does that matter to you in your life? What Karen thinks of your food?
00:25:50
Speaker
Totally. And I love it, Tanya, because it goes back to what we say about sort of everything. It's all about intention. It's all about your intention. And exactly as you said, not sugarcoating things, not saying that you're not going to be upset about Karen because she, you know, quite frankly, couldn't say some upsetting things.
00:26:12
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But you're gonna be intentional about how you react to them. And I think one thing I wanted to kind of go back to you too is like when we talked about identifying your triggers before the holiday season, I think that was a really good point that you made Tanya to really think through like, okay, when am I triggered so that you can be aware of it. But what I want people to be careful of um because this is what I used to do, is that rehearsing or predicting scenarios. So when you're thinking about those triggers, great, but let's be careful not to sit there and then start rehearsing and then start arguing with people in your head and ruminating on that because that's like a whole other thing too. so
00:26:53
Speaker
Yeah, that's a really point. Back to that point. No, and that's a really good point. And for something for me in my experience, what has been so valuable, and I think I talked about this. I can't remember what episode, but I definitely talked about it in terms of you know changing attitude and mindset, is that the way I've been taught to identify my triggers is For my therapist, who I love, is to really- all need a great therapist. Absolutely. A thousand percent is to really look inward. So exactly that, Kim, the opposite of putting myself in the situation and ruminating, like you just said, but thinking of a trigger
00:27:33
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And then identifying the emotion, not the situation, the emotion. So I talked about this before in terms of when I didn't respect people's lifestyles before I even understood the importance of it. And a lot of time the trigger was someone doing something really good for themselves.
00:27:54
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yes And I was judging that. And the emotion I learned to attach to this was jealousy and was desire that I wish I was doing those things. That's the money. This is the kind of reflection that I think is so positive when we look at triggers, because then I have an emotion and then I can start to say,
00:28:14
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Well, why do you know what I mean? Unpack that. It's about me. I've made my trigger about me because it's my trigger and not ruminating on the situation and getting mad at Karen ahead of time.
00:28:25
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What's my emotion and why is this happening? And that's power. So great, Tanya. So great. And it's all because that's just the whole point of this. It's about working on ourselves and giving ourselves that peace. And then to flip that point that you just made, remember that likely when,
00:28:45
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somebody is talking about your dietary choices or lifestyle choices or why are you not having that drink or why are you not having that piece of cake with gluten in it you could be coming up against their triggers brilliant brilliant and that is where this combativeness comes from so Like minding your own business is I think what we is, is, is the best thing that we can do this holiday season. And when you come up against that, Karen, just think of Ben Affleck sitting outside smoking a cigarette. ah
00:29:24
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And have a little laugh about it. up Kim, there's nothing else to say on that. That was so profound. Like I have goosebumps. If you can give yourself one thing, give yourself the gift of peace and understanding.
00:29:36
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Understand that the combativeness that you're feeling, exactly like you said, put yourself in someone else's shoes. You might be triggering them and they're not understanding that. So if we can have a little peace, a little understanding and understand we're all works in progress, I think that'll take us a long way.
00:29:55
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Yes. Enjoy those holiday parties, everyone. And um yeah, we can you can always send us a message from the bathroom. if Kim, I'll be expecting yours. Yep. We'll be expecting one another's.
00:30:12
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All right, everyone, as always, such a good conversation and happy holidays. Bye guys. Bye. Hey guys, thanks so much for hanging out with us today.
00:30:23
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00:30:42
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