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The Abduction of Elizabeth Klarer & The Possession of Estefanía Gutiérrez Lázaro
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This week Lauren covers Elizabeth Klarer and her possible relationship with an alien and Felicia discusses the mysterious 1991 Vallecas possession case of Estefanía Gutiérrez Lázaro.
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:12
Speaker
Welcome to the Sinister Sisters podcast. I'm Felicia. And I'm Lauren. We're best friends. And we like spooky stuff. Oh, yeah. So we're actually a little caught up in time now, which is interesting because we had recorded a bunch of stuff really far in advance. So our recommendation quarter, our recommendation corner, it's going to be quite timely.
00:00:35
Speaker
Yes, it is. Yeah, do you want to go first or me? Yeah, well, I was going to say the two that I'm going to recommend are actually not timely. No, it doesn't matter. But it is cool to be recording so close to when this will come out.
Felicia's Recommendations: Films and Shows
00:00:48
Speaker
I was going to say my exciting thing is that I watched the original When a Stranger Calls this week.
00:00:55
Speaker
Oh, I've never seen it. I've only seen that one from the, I don't even know when that was 2000s. Yes. So I didn't know it was Carol Kane, which is incredible. Like when she's young, like a babysitter age, I was like, I did not know what she looked like and she's gorgeous.
00:01:12
Speaker
Oh, good for her. It also is so much more about what happens after they get out of the house. I had no idea. I haven't even seen the remake in many years. That's awesome.
00:01:30
Speaker
70s I think. I think when I looked it up. I know. I know. I think it's like 72 maybe. I'm going to double check. But my other thing is very different that I want to recommend because I just brought it up to you this week so it's fresh in my head. But it's when a stranger calls is 1979. Bingo.
00:01:51
Speaker
But what I wanted to recommend is this TV show called The Shivering Truth that is this crazy claymation, adult swim, super dark. I can't even describe it. Each episode is totally different and unrelated. And even segments in the episodes are different storylines, different things going on.
00:02:14
Speaker
But it's super creepy and they're like 12 minute episodes for free on Adult Swim. So it's great, easily accessible. You just watch them on their website? Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. I think you should check on your Roku because I feel like sometimes they have weird stuff like that. But I did just watch them online, but I love them. I love Acclamation. Always so slightly unsettling.
00:02:42
Speaker
Yes, and I feel like if you watch them when you're high, it would be particularly scary. Particularly unsettling.
Upcoming Releases and Reviews: Tim Burton and 'Saint Maud'
00:02:51
Speaker
Exactly. Speaking of claymation, I guess, I don't know, but I do want to also mention that they have announced the Tim Burton Wednesday series on Netflix, which is
00:03:00
Speaker
I saw it right when they announced it and texted you immediately because I was like, this is the good news we have been waiting for in the last year. I need this. I'm excited. Honestly, I don't even care how good or bad it is. I just want it to be really enjoyable. I just want to enjoy myself. I think it has to be. Yeah, the characters are too good. And Tim Burton, it's like he's going to do a good job.
00:03:25
Speaker
Yes, I tried to. One of my friends who works at Netflix DMed me after I posted it and I was like, can you tell me about the cast now? Oh my God. And he was like, it's me. I'm playing Wednesday. Oh, come on. But I am really excited as well. I mean, Felicia truly texted me within, I don't know, minutes of it being posted. It was so beautiful.
00:03:49
Speaker
But I also am like, they must not have they must be pretty early on in pre production because that poster is literally just a drawing. Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure they don't have it yet. I bet that's exactly true. But it's still exciting. But yeah, that's gonna be cool. Do you have anything else? Or should I go?
00:04:10
Speaker
Oh, no, I think you have. Are you good? Do you want to recommend things? Yeah, no, that's what I mean. Oh, yeah. I thought you were diving in and I was like, Oh, my God. No, no, not yet. We're not there yet. My recommendation is I have two. So one is I watched St. Maude.
00:04:27
Speaker
And I really, really enjoyed it. And I actually filmed a review for it almost a week ago and still haven't got it up because life is so crazy. But you saw a lot going on just like I got. But I just wanted to say on here that.
00:04:42
Speaker
If you can, and this is so hard with this movie that had so much hype over the last couple of years and the release date kept getting pushed and there's all this stuff, but try to just go in without thinking about the hype around it and just go in to watch a movie. And I think you will really freaking like it, especially if you like slow burns, especially if you like
00:05:06
Speaker
like character-driven horror films, because the character of Maude is so fascinating. And I just, I just like, I was so, what's the word, taken in with this movie? Like I couldn't look away. So that was really nice. And that actress is just so interesting. Yeah, so great.
00:05:29
Speaker
And the other actress as well who plays like the Amanda whose mod is like the caregiver of is also really great. So highly recommend that movie. And two very complex female characters. Totally. Oh my God. Yes, absolutely. Stuck in a house together.
00:05:48
Speaker
Yes.
Discussing Dark Themes: 'The Sinner' and 'WandaVision'
00:05:49
Speaker
And then the other thing is what I started watching today is the new season of The Sinner that I don't know if they just put it on Netflix or if I just got recommended it on Netflix today. I'm not so sure. But I watched the first two episodes and I just love that show so much because it's just so unapologetically dark. It's just so dark. And I love to watch. Did you watch the first season at least?
00:06:15
Speaker
I haven't watched any of it. The first season is like, I mean, I think it was just kind of mind blowing because I didn't know what it was going to be when I first watched it. It's so good. And then the second season was pretty good. And this third season, I think, I mean, so far, I'm like freaking into it. I love. And it's each season is a different cast or no?
00:06:38
Speaker
It's the same detective with different stories. Nice. And the detective has his own complicated issues. Is it something I can watch with my mom or no? Oh, sorry. I'm trying to like, I guess I don't know your mom's taste in things. I feel like you, I feel like you could.
00:07:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's not so horror-y. No, it's not so horror. It's like a crime thriller situation. I was trying to remember how much sexual content there is. There is like some. Oh, yeah. I never know how people feel about watching sex scenes with parents. I know. Yeah, it's so funny. We do a lot of rom-coms with a lot of sex scenes, but I haven't really done... They just come up. They just come up and... I know. You have to just pretend you're not all in the same room and move on.
00:07:27
Speaker
I just remembered, I actually, I watched the first episode of Clarisse too. Oh, who put that out? Where is that? Where did you watch it? You should ask. I watched it on my parents on demand because I am with my family now. CBS, I guess. Was it good?
00:07:51
Speaker
So, no. Yes. Okay. No. Yes. I, you know how I feel about Silence of the Lambs. It's like my all time all time fave movie. I always say that it's my favorite movie if someone asks. I really like the girl playing Clarice. Good. It's like, it's weird because they are supposedly just like continuing on from Silence of the Lambs. Did you just after the movie?
00:08:15
Speaker
Yes, which I thought it was a prequel. I don't know where I heard that origin story or something. Yes, I thought everything that I don't know, all signs were pointing towards that to me. And it's right after Silence of the Lambs. So it's like there is like an actor playing like the senator. There's and the other really weird thing is that because of rights issues, they can't say the name Hannibal Lecter.
00:08:43
Speaker
Oh god. So they keep being like your old therapist. Like the doctor. And you're like, okay. Oh, I hate that. I hate that so much. Oh my god. Are you are you watching WandaVision? Yes. Holy bananas. Holy bananas. I didn't know you were watching. Yes, we started watching it like last
00:09:09
Speaker
or two weeks ago, I guess. And now we're watching it on Fridays because we're just like, so into it. I just I can't fully every episode. I'm just like, what is going on? I know. I know. I really love that each episode is like a different decade. That whole thing.
00:09:31
Speaker
It's so fascinating. Are you caught up? I'm caught up. We will not talk spoilers. Yes. But all I can say is I cannot wait for Friday. Something to look forward to with the weeks. I know, I know. Is it going to be like 10 episodes? Do we even know?
00:09:45
Speaker
I think so. I feel like it's 10. Probably. Yeah, but the next one, the one tomorrow is an hour. Oh, nice. Or maybe 45, but it's like an hour, whatever that is, an hour of television technically. Nice. I cannot wait. I'm so excited. I know. Further mind blowing. I'm not super into superhero stuff, but it's just too good not to be into it.
00:10:06
Speaker
Well, that's what I was going to say. Really? Like, do you know enough that you know what's going on? I guess so. I mean, we saw most like some of those movies in theaters. So I definitely knew like what time period this is all happening in terms of like the adventure movies. So like I do know. Yes.
00:10:26
Speaker
but I don't know like full backgrounds on all these characters. But that's no but that's like I feel like that's so good because I'm like kind of I mean I'm not as big of Marvel fan as there are out there but I did like me and two of my co-workers made sure we saw every Marvel movie in theaters so it was like I was like you know like very caught up with it all.
00:10:48
Speaker
So I was very caught up, but I'm like, I was always curious about people who like, you know, like my mom really was what I was thinking about, who like had casually watched movies, but not like the whole thing, how it would play to them. So that's cool. And because they're just doing stuff that I've never seen done on TV. So I'm just like, yeah, I don't care what the plot is. I'm just like, this is amazing. Right. Totally. I know. And I love Catherine Hahn. She's my favorite. Absolutely.
00:11:17
Speaker
She's just underappreciated. Anyway. Yes. Okay. That's kind of our recommendations. I know, just a little ketchup. Yeah. Yeah.
Alien Encounters: The Elizabeth Klarer Story
00:11:28
Speaker
Shall I go first this week? Yeah, I hear you're going first. I claimed it. I kind of like going first because then you can just enjoy the last day. Still for the rest, totally.
00:11:40
Speaker
Um, but this week I'm doing Elizabeth Clara, and she was a South African woman who claimed to have been contacted by aliens multiple times. And her story is crazier than a lot of UFO alien stories I've heard. The timeframe was basically 1954 to 1963.
00:12:02
Speaker
What a hot spot time for UFO activity. I know. It's curious, right? It's always curious. Who started? 50, 60. All the aliens showed up at once. Yes, and then left forever. And then left. But she was born in 1910, and she was born in Mui River, Natal, which is just a part of South Africa. She was the youngest daughter of SB and Florence Woolott.
00:12:31
Speaker
and her father was a pioneering veterinarian surgeon, which I just feel like is helpful to know. Pioneering veterinarian surgeon. I don't know what that means. He had some real breakthroughs in veterinarian. Yeah, you tend to need for kitty cats. Exactly. Exactly. Later in her life, she alludes to having an early sighting when she was three.
00:12:56
Speaker
There's nothing about this. There's no information about it, so I'm not going to cover that. But her first major UFO encounter was after the family moved to a farm a little bit further away. It's called Connington Farm, and it's near Rosetta. So she was seven at the time, and she was with her older sister, Barbara, who to this day, or not this day, because they are dead, sorry. But so later in her life,
00:13:24
Speaker
backed her up, like always said, yes, we saw something. But they were feeding their puppies outside the farmhouse, and they claimed they witnessed a silver disc bathed in a pearly luster swoop over them. And at the same time, there was a giant orange, red, and cratered planetoid
00:13:45
Speaker
which was observed orbiting and rotating high in the atmosphere. So the disc rushed to meet this planetoid. Planetoid, that's how you say that, right? I have never heard this word. I hope so. And it was, so yes, it rushed to meet it, pacing and guiding it northwards while the planetoid left a smoke trail in its wake, the drama. I mean, two witnesses though, that's pretty good.
00:14:11
Speaker
I know, I always think, but then I'm like, she was seven and her sister was like nine.
00:14:16
Speaker
Yeah, I guess so. Kids love to lie. They love to lie. I love to lie. But only months later, she had another sighting. And this was in the company of the family. So this is like the family's Zulu farm manager. And the Zulu people are like an ethnic group in South Africa. So again, she had another witness who backed her up. Wow.
00:14:43
Speaker
Then similar thing, similar disc citing, UFO citing.
00:14:50
Speaker
Then she went to college in Florence and she studied art and music. And then she later received a meteorology diploma. Oh, that just to say, sometimes I feel like knowing people's background is helpful. I mean, sort of placing them and understanding. But she was taught by her first husband to fly a tiger moth aircraft, which is she she goes on to fly in the Royal Air Force in World War Two. And it's like, I know. Right.
00:15:20
Speaker
She's just got a great history. It seems like one of those classic like World War II planes that you see.
00:15:28
Speaker
But the reason I say this is because her next sighting was during a flight in 1937 from Durban to Baragwanath, which are just two cities in South Africa. But when they were flying, she and her husband saw a saucer, a UFO again, which approached, coasted along, and then departed from them. My understanding is that it looked very similar to the ones that she had seen as a child.
00:15:56
Speaker
And again, her husband backed her up. I mean, if all these different people are backing her up, it seems pretty legit. I just think it's always interesting when it's like this one person had several sightings. Yeah, I don't know. We'll get to that.
00:16:13
Speaker
So in 1954, I guess after she finished flying in the Air Force, her sister May, so a different sister, reached out to her and said that the native Zulu people that worked on their farm were reporting appearances of a lightning bird in the sky, which is like a creature that is found in their folklore, like there are stories about this lightning bird. And in response, Elizabeth and her children traveled back to the family farm
00:16:42
Speaker
They went to the top of Kathkin Peak, which is also referred to later as Flying Saucer Hill. If you see that stuff come up, it's the same thing. This was on December 27th, 1954. There she claimed to have seen the Starship, same UFO, descend, hover three meters above the ground while only emitting a soft hum. Its main body was spinning, though its central dome remained stationary.
00:17:11
Speaker
which all this feels like what's in our idea of aliens. I always think that's interesting. She saw a spaceman through one of the three portholes on the ship. Later in her story, it turns out this is a man named Akon or Akon. I listen to a bunch of podcasts. I watch a lot of interviews. I know, right? Akon feels silly, but right.
00:17:40
Speaker
It's hard because she's South African. So a lot of it I'm like, is she saying it in her accent? And I should say, I should say acorn or I should say acorn. I guess I'm going to say acorn because it'll make us laugh less. But so there was also a barrier of heat coming from around the ship. So she was unable to approach it and it departed.
00:18:04
Speaker
So she's getting closer. Yeah, she's getting closer. This sounds a little similar to the US abduction I covered a while back, just in terms of being able to see a person through the window and the shape and everything like that. I know.
00:18:19
Speaker
I mean, when there are similarities, it's like, did they hear the other story or is it truly that they're seeing a similar thing? The next sighting was 18 months later. Again, she went back to the farm because there were reports of the lightning bird. Again, she went to the hilltop, but this time on April 7th, 1956,
00:18:41
Speaker
Akon took her aboard his scout ship, which was around 60 feet in diameter. Not that big, not that small. And once inside, she met a second pilot who was stockier and darker skinned than Akon, who was also a botanist in addition to being an astrophysicist, which is what Akon is. And there she was shown a lens where she could see Earth and people through the craft's floor.
00:19:11
Speaker
It was still a very silent ship and there was very little sense of movement as they traveled on this ship to the mothership, which was long and tubular and had a garden-like interior, hence Mr. Botanist. They were like little gray men.
00:19:32
Speaker
No, they were supposedly very, like her drawing of Akon looks very human to me. Ah, okay. I know. And she met inhabitants supposedly on this ship, on the mothership, and then she was brought back to the hilltop. And she was told they were Venusians, is the breed of alien they were, I guess, the race. And during the encounter,
00:20:00
Speaker
Akon and Elizabeth kissed when it was revealed to her that she was also a reincarnated Venusian and his long-lost soulmate. Wow. Also, isn't she married?
00:20:14
Speaker
She's married with children. Oh no, scandal. Scandal. So he further explained that his people would infrequently take earth women as partners and they would have offspring together to strengthen their race with an infusion of new blood. And he also claimed that there were Venusians living on earth among humans. Wild.
00:20:41
Speaker
So I guess that would be like 23 days later. There were various independent observers who noted a steady red glow poised at a rocky section of the hill and no remnants of a fire or something after that would have explained.
00:21:00
Speaker
But that seems to be the only other person backing this up. We will get to her family a little bit later. But the next sighting or the next encounter, I should say, was on July 17th. So a month later, 1956, she came back to the area. This was the family farm, I guess, had been sold at this point. So she was now just choosing to go back to this area.
00:21:28
Speaker
and she claims to have taken seven photos of his scouting ship using a camera. And we can put one of these photos on the Instagram, but they look fairly legit. Okay, yeah.
00:21:39
Speaker
I don't know, it looks like a UFO to me. Also, I should say at this point, there's also stuff about her in her childhood sort of believing in her telepathic powers and working to strengthen them and believing that she has some sort of ability to communicate with him. I'm not going to get into it too much because
00:22:03
Speaker
I don't really believe it. And also, it's like different sources had different information about it. Right. But to some extent, she believed that she could still communicate with Akon when he wasn't on Earth. Interesting. It's also I mean, I it's sort of like that why me thing where I'm just like, it seems like they if this is all true, then they scouted her from such a young age.
00:22:30
Speaker
and chose her in advance, which is like a strange thing. Right. And that she was, yeah, like if she saw something when she was three, like they knew she was his soulmate at that point? Yeah, I like how they know that. I don't know. I don't know. And also weird that aliens believe in reincarnation on Earth. Like they
00:22:51
Speaker
They would believe that, I don't know. It's a lot. Well, there is that thing that people say where it's like, aliens are already here. And it's like, they're not coming to Earth. They've been here for a long time. And so it's like, I mean, that's possible. Anything's possible. I know. It's an interesting thought for sure.
00:23:11
Speaker
So the next sort of bit of this story is that in April 1958, there were a series of contacts that sort of set her story apart from other ones in the 1950s like the one you told. So she claims that Akon visited her multiple times and that it culminated in a day-long rendezvous where he supposedly presented her with a silver ring which enhanced
00:23:39
Speaker
her telepathic connection to him and they also consummated their love that day with sex and she became pregnant at 48 years old. Did she really become pregnant?
00:23:56
Speaker
Unclear. Did she have a baby? Unclear. Okay, sorry. I'm asking too many questions. No, you're good. She was then transported. The timeline was not clear to me. I feel like if you want to do more research, you should because I was going to say this at the end, but there's just so much information. As I said, there's so many podcasts. She has a whole book that she wrote about it, so it's like there's a lot of information out there.
00:24:24
Speaker
A lot of different sources, which makes things tricky. Yes, very tricky. So at some point in her pregnancy, I don't know how long it was, how long the pregnancy was, but she was transported supposedly with her car to his home planet, which was Meton or Meton. And it's supposedly in the nearby, in like the closest star system, planetary system to our solar system.
00:24:54
Speaker
But it's Alpha Centauri.
00:24:58
Speaker
And she delivered the child there, who was a male child. And his name is Ailing, and he stayed behind on the planet to be educated while she had to come home. The planetary vibrations of Meton affected her heart, so she was not permitted to stay there or to return there. And the whole trip supposedly required less than four months.
00:25:26
Speaker
So I don't know if that was the, I guess it's the travel there and how long she stayed there, but that equated to a nine year stay in their time.
00:25:36
Speaker
And also, so I mean, it's OK if you don't have this. Does that mean she was like missing from hers for four months? So she says yes. Her son, like who I guess is I don't know if he's the only one that was willing to be interviewed or if it was just that he's the only one still alive and people looked into it later. But he says he has no memory of her being gone that long. Oh, OK. OK. Yeah.
00:26:03
Speaker
like he yeah he has no recollection of her being absent for any length of time or her being pregnant for any like you know that he so unclear she published a book as I said it's called beyond the light barrier and it was many years after all of this supposedly occurred so it was in the night in 1980 and she after all of this
00:26:28
Speaker
all of these encounters, all of the situations. She worked for a time at a newspaper store and she was sort of in and out of the press the rest of her life. And her story was published in magazines and newspapers. And she sort of like, I don't know, it's interesting to see, like she spoke out, like she was like somebody that would be like, that is a false claim if other people claimed UFO encounters. And then sometimes she backed other people up. So she was vocal, she was in the press.
00:26:57
Speaker
And also, as we sort of hinted at earlier, so she was married three times and has two real human children. And the two kids were born before any of this happened. And the dates are such that she wasn't with, you know, it was like after her second husband before her third husband. I see. Okay.
00:27:18
Speaker
So it's unclear to me if she brought her children and they were there for any part of it or if it was like they were with their dad and they didn't know what was going on. I'm not super sure to be honest, but her third husband is
00:27:35
Speaker
Very supportive of these stories and seemingly let on the UFO circuit Yeah, it seemed it seems like it his ashes were actually spread on that hill when he died so I think and he said like he reportedly said About her love for this for for Akon this alien man That's alright with me as long as he stays in space where he belongs
00:28:01
Speaker
So, like, I don't know if it was like he was like, yeah, this is like something crazy she thinks or if he was totally, you know, on board. But she continued to go back to flying Saucer Hill every April 7th to commemorate her anniversary with Akon. She never came back. Akon never came back after she gave birth to his child. He used her and
00:28:29
Speaker
Yes. She sadly died of breast cancer in 1994 before her second book could be finished. And this was called The Gravity File. And it was supposed to flesh out more of the story and answer unanswered questions. So it's a real bummer that it wasn't finished. But before her death, she did relay to her acquaintances
00:28:58
Speaker
that Ailing, her son, was now an astrophysicist and he was crisscrossing the universe with his father and his space woman, Clea, and their son, which apparently was all communicated to her telepathically.
00:29:14
Speaker
So I'm just not sure. So kind of getting into, I'm not going to go too much into whether it's real or fake, but people have very different opinions. Some ufologists feel or claims are not well backed up.
00:29:30
Speaker
And we know that her sister and her first husband back up those first two UFO sightings. But there aren't any witnesses that can confirm her pregnancy. And it remains unknown whether that was ever documented in any way. As I said, her son has no memory of this. And it kind of seems like the general belief is
00:29:56
Speaker
or the most popular feeling is that she probably saw a UFO or had some kind of contact, but the pregnancy and the Venusian lover are sort of not real, not sort of. That maybe was such a shocking event that it kind of like messed with her brain and like she couldn't stop thinking about it and maybe made it more than it was. Right. Or you know, she enjoyed the attention she got from
00:30:24
Speaker
the UFO sightings and wanted to keep, you know, living in this world that she had exciting stuff going on. One of the really good podcasts that I listen to is, it's called extraterrestrial is the podcast name and it's like a two part episode. So if you're looking to learn more and you want to look into it, that's like a good place to start. But there are tons of YouTube videos of like people interviewing her and, and lots of info. So I don't know that there's a ton of truth to,
00:30:54
Speaker
her entire story. I kind of like how romantic and glamorous it is, but anyway. Yeah. I mean, the part for me that's always kind of like a little weird is like, wouldn't this space people not want her to be so vocal about all this stuff? You would think. You would think it should be hush-hush.
00:31:16
Speaker
Like a little hush hush. Yeah, maybe not writing a book and like telling people that you gave birth to a child. Yeah, I don't know. I'm kind of with you where it's like the UFO sightings that I kind of more down with the pregnancy. If there if there was evidence that she was missing for four months, I would be a little more on board. But because it's like they can't really prove any of that. And I don't know if it's because of the years and her location and things like that. But like, it makes it a little more like
00:31:42
Speaker
Maybe it's like the attention was so exciting she couldn't stop.
00:31:47
Speaker
I don't know. I do feel like why hasn't, or why didn't someone interview her husband at the time? Maybe he was just like, nah, I'm not talking about that. Yeah. Maybe he was like, sorry, that's my ex-wife. I'm not dealing with this. I have no interest. But anyway, this was the only, I mean, now I want to know more about people sleeping with aliens, but it was the only one that I have heard of, of someone claiming to have like consensual sex with an alien.
00:32:15
Speaker
I don't know. That's wild. That's wild though. And what was her name again? Sorry, I interrupted your final ending. No, that is Elizabeth Clara. Boom. Perfect. Nailed it.
00:32:35
Speaker
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00:32:53
Speaker
Okay, cool. That was great. I love an alien story because they're just like, there's, I really believe in aliens that I'm just like, I want to know all the stories, but there's just so many that I'm like, I don't know about that one. Yeah, right. That one is a little, it's just a lot of, of details that are not true.
Paranormal Case: Estefania Gutierrez Lazaro
00:33:13
Speaker
Okay, so today I'm going to be talking about a possession story that a movie came out about a couple years ago called Veronica. You might remember it because everyone said it was the scariest movie since The Exorcist, which is like the worst marketing you could ever give any movie.
00:33:35
Speaker
because it's not helpful to compare your new movie to a movie that is like a bold classic. Right, and many years ago. Yeah, it's just like it's not helpful.
00:33:49
Speaker
But I mean, I did enjoy the movie. It was good. And so that movie is kind of based on this case I'm going to go over today. And it was on Netflix for a while, right? It still might be, actually. It's in Spanish. We really liked it. We watched it together. Yeah, really good. And I really like the actress in it. I can't remember her name right now. But overall, good movie. Good movie. It's also, it was like the 90s, Madrid, Catholic school girls. Like, it was like all like Ouija boards. It's all the things I love.
00:34:19
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So obviously I was going to like the movie. So it's based on the case of Estefania Gutierrez Lazaro, which who knows if I said that right, I'm half Spanish, but I can't do it.
00:34:35
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And it's known as the Vayakas case, Vayakas, which is kind of the neighborhood of Madrid. This all took place. So Estefania, there is a part to this story that, because I thought I researched this a bit when the movie came out, but there was a part of the story I had never heard before.
00:34:54
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that I found on a YouTube channel called The Paranormal Scholar, which seems to be freaking awesome, by the way, so I just want to give them a plug. They have a ton of videos about every kind of paranormal thing you could ever imagine. And they're very well researched, very cool. Probably just doing what we do. Just much more professional.
00:35:17
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I really do like the page. Bigger budgets maybe. Big, big budget. Just kidding. But the part of the story that I never heard happened a year before the movie starts basically. So the Lazaro family, the grandfather died in 1990 and he was a very angry, spiteful man.
00:35:46
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And this is the part that I never heard that kind of blew my mind. On his death bed, apparently he whispered in Estefania's ear, if I cannot harm you in this life, I will do it in the next one. He was an angry man. He did not. I don't know if he didn't approve of what his family was doing. Like, I don't know what his situation was. But he was... Yeah, but he was mad at the world and mad at this family.
00:36:16
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And then he died. So. Angry ghost. Angry ghost. Literally saying I'm going to haunt you guys. So about a year later, Estefania has a group of friends and one of her friend's boyfriend died in a motorcycle accident. And they were all, they were teenagers. They were all very shaken up by this. And they decided that they wanted to try to contact him using da da da da da, a Ouija board.
00:36:44
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It's always a no-no, y'all. Even though I have explored the Ouija boards myself, but still, please don't do it. I know. I'm sad we didn't have anything happen to us the one time we did a Ouija play together. Oh, yeah. I know. I know. We were so open. We were trying to be so open and so serious, and there was just no ghost in that house. There was no spirit there. That's a ticket somewhere else. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:06
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But okay, so they, in the movie, I think they're in the basement. I'm not sure exactly where they were at the school. But they decided to do this at school with a group of them and this Ouija board. They were caught halfway through, basically. By a teacher. A teacher walked in and the board broke in half.
00:37:24
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which is just terrifying. And the girls said that they saw a sort of smoke or mist go into Estefanio's mouth and nose. So not bad, bad sign. And after this happens, and I don't know if you know, but the Ouija board, like the whole thing is like always say goodbye. You have to say goodbye, you have to close the conversation. And if the board's broken,
00:37:50
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then that thing is released. Can you just say bye anyway? Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. I don't know. I don't know. So after this, Stefania started to have some bad issues. So she started to suffer from hallucinations and seizures where she would foam at the mouth, which is always just very scary. So at first, the family thought maybe she's epileptic.
00:38:18
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they took her to doctors and they said they, and apparently epilepsy is like kind of hard to diagnose unless you're like literally having a bit. So it was difficult to diagnose, but they
00:38:30
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That's the only thing they could think to say. But that didn't really explain the hallucinations she was having. She was seeing these figures, basically these like man-sized figures with no face, wearing like a cloak or dark clothing or something that would come and basically visit her at night. So scary.
00:38:51
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And basically, the attacks started to get worse and worse over time. And the worst one, they say, happened in the summer of 1991, where Estefania violently attacked her sister, who ended up on the floor.
00:39:07
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They had some kind of, you know, I almost said battle. Some kind of battle. Some kind of battle. But she basically attacked her and then had an episode, started foaming out of the mouth and then once she came back too, she did not remember doing any of it. Sounds like a classic possession to me. Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:28
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So at this point, I think it's actually the next day, she was so ill that they finally just took her to the hospital and she went into a coma and she died that night at the age of 19. The hospital did an autopsy and they could not come up with a reason for her death. They said it was sudden and suspicious, but they could not figure out what was wrong with her.
00:39:55
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Which is, especially in the 90s, they couldn't come up with a cause of death. That's very stressful. So after this happens, the family started to experience the paranormal stuff that Estefania had been describing in their house. So they would hear knocking coming from her bedroom. One day her mother went in the bedroom and all of Estefania's stuff was scattered all over the floor.
00:40:21
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They said they could hear an old man laughing. There was one time where her little brother was sitting on one bed and then was thrown across the room, seemingly by forces unknown. Of course, temperature stuff going on where it'd get really cold all of a sudden, which is kind of classic ghost activity. During all of this, the family started to seek out help.
00:40:48
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in different kinds of places than they had previously, where they had just kind of tried to rely on, you know, doctors. They had mediums come to the house, scientists, religious leaders, and nobody could figure out what's going on. But it did get a little bit of press. And you can actually, if you just search on YouTube, Vayeka's case,
00:41:11
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you'll come up with the Spanish news story that they played on TV. And you can just, if you don't speak Spanish like me, you can just hit the translate button and you'll get some captions. But basically they had a medium come to the house. She felt this like that energy coming from I think the bathroom. She went in there and then I guess there was like two mediums that were like working together and she
00:41:37
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became possessed on camera and the other medium was just like yelling at the demon to get out of her basically.
00:41:46
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Pretty wild. Pretty wild. That's really scary. Yeah. Yeah. So one of the most famous instances that they do have in the movie and that I think is kind of like the scariest part is, let's see, November 1st, we're in 1993 now. So we're two years after Estefania's death. There was a photo of Estefania on their, I mean,
00:42:12
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Different articles said different things. Some say it was in the living room. Some say it was in her bedroom. I don't really know. But basically, the photo of Estefania caught fire from the middle of her face and burned straight up and down just her face. The frame was not finished. And we will post this on the Instagram because there's pictures of it. And it is the weirdest thing. It's like, why did the whole thing not burn? It's literally just the middle.
00:42:41
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That's really scary. Yeah. And they said after this, this is the instance that basically
00:42:50
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about to hit the climax of all of this paranormal activity happening. Things just got worse and worse. Appliances turning on and off. Different members of the family started seeing the figures that Estefania had been describing. The scariest one I heard was something on the floor dragging itself towards their beds, which is just like a horrifying image. Oh my gosh. Bursting open out of nowhere.
00:43:16
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And then that kind of brings us, so this is just less than a month later, 2 a.m., and this is hilarious to me, okay, 2 a.m., November 27th, 1992, just three days after my birth. Maximo the father called the police and literally called 911 and said all the crucifixes in our house are spinning, we are under attack, we need help, we need the police here immediately.
00:43:44
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Oh my God. And of course, the nylon operator was like, what? She just hands it to someone else. Please take this. But he passed the phone around to different members of the family who described what was going on. They also described that there was a shadowy figure at the end of their hallway. They were all in the living room and they could see it down there. And they wanted police there immediately.
00:44:09
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Oh, and also there I don't know if this is as Tefania's room but out of one of the bedrooms there a door had burst open and so they put the couch in front of it to like stop it because it kept like you know shaking and stuff and The door like burst open anyway, even though the couch was there and just push the couch out of the way I mean that's like full-on the conjuring level. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like I mean no wonder they made a movie I
00:44:35
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Yeah, exactly. Okay. And so then the police arrived. So we have Jose Negri, who is a police officer, and he's the one that wrote up the report. So that's the official police report. So that's the guy's name we know, but also three other officers were there. And when they arrived at their house, the family was all waiting outside, even though it was freezing cold.
00:44:58
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And police were like, okay, what's going on? And he took the family and the police officers all went upstairs, sat in the living room. They started to explain what was going on. And then police officers started to experience the paranormal stuff going down. That's the scariest part of the story to me. It's not just a family witnessing it. Yeah, it's freaking scary.
00:45:28
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All right, this is a translation of the police report. This is literally directly from the paranormal scholars take on this. So I am giving them full credit and just repeating what they said. But this is the English translation of the report.
00:45:43
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We were found amidst a rare and mysterious situation that being seated in the company of all the family, we could hear and observe a perfectly closed cabinet door, something which we verified afterwards, open suddenly in a completely unnatural way. This started a series of suspicious events that were witnessed by the chief inspector and at the three other police officers present. While still in a state of shock, a powerful noise came from the terrorists, where we could prove there was no one present,
00:46:13
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the suspicious events, then increased in quantity and severity, taking the investigation up to an unexpected level.
00:46:21
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Moments later, they could hear and see that on a tablecloth on a small telephone table, there appeared a brown stain, which the chief inspector identified as drool, which is just disgusting. And during the search of the rooms of the home, the phenomena which we have been referencing was observed, a wedding crucifix rotated and was ripped off the wall.
00:46:49
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Let's see. One of the daughters picked up the crucifix from the floor, attached it behind the door, and suddenly and strangely, three scratch marks appeared next to the cross. And this is all documented in an official police report in Madrid, Spain. Wow. And that's super spooky. Yeah. And that's why this case got so famous is because
00:47:14
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It was documented by the law and not just from people's, like the family's perspective. So that's why it got, you know, pretty famous. And it doesn't even sound like it could be things that they were
00:47:32
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like maneuver, you know, like, like they were, oh, yeah, like they couldn't be doing it. No, absolutely. Okay. And then so the family, at some point had been told during all these people that have been coming through their house trying to figure out what was wrong, that the entities were attached to
00:47:50
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the family themselves, and so moving would not help. That's what they were told. That's the bad, bad. That's what you don't want. I know. And they were also told that the presences that were there were an old man, classic, and they said Estefani was there too, and was trying to stop the grandfather from hurting her family. So there was a lot of, that's what like, there's all this chaos of this paranormal experience.
00:48:17
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And they believe it's because the grandfather was trying to cause harm and Estefani was trying to stop him. So then after this, that this is like the family was like, we're out, we're done. They moved and they were interviewed later and said after they moved, they never experienced any other paranormal stuff. Wow. What a relief. What a relief.
00:48:42
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so it's okay we may never know okay i literally have no clue but they did say in that and i didn't mind any other evidence of this but i am going to just mention it in the end of that paranormal scholar video they mentioned that in that interview
00:48:59
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they picked up a voice saying something in the background of the interview. I didn't see that listed anywhere else, so I don't know if that's true or not. But yeah, so that is the case and that it was turned into the movie Veronica. And it's just so wild to me because it's officially written in police reports
00:49:22
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And I've never heard of that happening before. And I always wonder why. Because honestly, if that kind of stuff was going on in my house, I would too call the police. Yeah. Like I would call the police before I thought to call a priest. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. But that yeah, that is like the most I don't know. Maybe this podcast was created. Maybe we change this podcast so that I would become a believer. That's what makes me feel. That's literally why I'm here.
00:49:51
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But that's what makes me feel like that's real. Yeah, how could it not be for police officers? Verifying all of this like it's just like yeah, it's not like a brother cousin, you know, like they have no stake in this.
00:50:07
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So it's a really cool story and obviously a scary one. But it is, I mean, as you kind of alluded to, the most believable possession case that I've heard, honestly. Yes, and that the ghost didn't stop after she died. I feel like that happens a lot too, where like, you know, sadly, like the person being possessed dies and then it's over. Like that didn't happen here.
00:50:34
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Yeah. Because the grandfather was after the whole family, not just her. And the fact they couldn't find a cause of death in the 90s for a 19 year old girl. Like that just feels impossible. And spooky, spooky. Yeah. But that's the story. I loved it. What a great episode this week, I think. Oh, and I'll say one last thing. I hope Estefania found peace after all this went down. Like I have no idea what happened to her spirit.
00:51:04
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But I do hope that she's not just stuck with that evil grandpa for the rest of eternity. I know, fighting with her grandfather. I hope not. Me too. That's it. That's it. Yeah, this is a fun one. Yeah, alien snacks and demons. Yes, that's how we sell it on Instagram. Absolutely, absolutely. But yeah, thank you all so much for listening. We appreciate you.
00:51:32
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and have some sweet, sweet nightmares. Bye.