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16: Champions - with Fr. Jake Dunne
2 Plays1 year ago
Father Jake Dunne is our guest and Father Kevin plays host and guest simultaneously as they describe their pilgrimage to Champion, Wisconsin to participate in a Eucharistic Procession and learn about the Marian Apparition that took place there.
The website and resources referenced can be found here:
https://dbqarch.org/archdiocesan-eucharistic-revival
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Transcript
Introductions and Background
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Hello everyone.
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Welcome once again to the DeBucharistic Revival podcast.
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That's the name we're going with.
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Thank you very much, Father Kevin.
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My name is Father Jacob Rouse and I'm the pastor of Notre Dame Parish in Cresco, Iowa.
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And I'm joined by my co-host, Father Kevin.
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Can you tell us where you are at as a priest and how long have you been ordained as a priest?
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I am Father Kevin Earlywine, pastor of St.
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Patrick's in Hampton and St.
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Mary's in Ackley.
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I have been ordained a priest for seven years now.
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Wow, Jubilee.
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That's exciting.
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Yeah.
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I've been ordained for six years as of May 26th, Feast of St.
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Philip Neary, six joyful years of service to the church.
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Our guest today is actually twofold.
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I'll explain that in just a moment.
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But our guest today is Father Jake Dunn, and I would like him to introduce himself, where he's from, and how long he's been ordained a priest.
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Thanks, Father Jacob.
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I'll go by Jake, I guess, for this podcast purposes, but yeah, so I've been ordained three years, grew up in Cedar Rapids and, uh, and I serve as the pastor of Queen of Saints cluster, uh, St.
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John's and Blair's town, St.
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Patrick's and Watkins, St.
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Uh, what else do I have?
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Paul's and new hall, Maclet Conception, St.
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Michael's in Norway.
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Uh, and I also serve as the chaplain of Xavier high school in Cedar Rapids.
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Oh, my alma mater.
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It's tough to keep track of all your kids sometimes, isn't it?
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Yeah, a little bit.
Eucharistic Revival and Pilgrimage
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Six of them running around.
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Yeah, you're doing it, though.
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So the reason we're all here today is obviously because it's another episode of the podcast, The Dubuqueristic Revival.
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Yeah.
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But Kevin, my dear friend, Kevin is going to be serving a dual role today.
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He's going to be co-hosting as well as co-guesting because Father Kevin and Father Jake just took a trip recently.
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And it has to do with the Blessed Virgin, has to do with the Eucharistic revival, and it has to do with Brotherhood Adventures.
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So you went to Champion, Wisconsin, is that correct?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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How's that for an answer?
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That's a great answer.
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Father Jake, why did you and Father Kevin go to Champion Wisconsin of all places?
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Well, I'm a Chicago Bears fan.
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And so I knew I needed to go into the belly of the beast eventually and do some work there.
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But mostly Father Kevin and I, a while ago,
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many months ago, wanted to do some hiking, wanted to do some stuff in Wisconsin.
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And we're both attracted to this Eucharistic pilgrimage, kind of inspired by these people taking the Eucharist from the four corners of the United States and ending up in Indianapolis.
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And Father Kevin had never been to the shrine in Champion, Our Lady of Champion, I had.
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And so
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We desired the two things were converging that the pilgrimages that had this particular one, the one that began in Lake Itasca sometime in May, I think, and ended up in is going to end up in Indianapolis in late July was going through this shrine of Our Lady of Champion.
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And so we decided to go and visit and be a part of this movement that clearly you guys are inspired by, but certainly I,
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want a greater faith and increase for myself and the Eucharist and the mother of Jesus.
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And I want it for my people.
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And so to go and make a pilgrimage for that.
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I don't know, Father Kevin, did we have other motivations?
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Yeah, no, it was good.
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Those are great motivations.
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How did this idea start?
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Over ice cream.
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Oh, a dairy product.
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Yes, to go to the dairy state of Wisconsin.
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Speaking of dairy products, Father Kevin is from Wisconsin.
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Broadhead, actually.
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Yes, southern Wisconsin.
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Nowhere near Champion, which is just outside of Green Bay.
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Oh, okay, that's where we're at.
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Gotcha.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So far away from where I grew up.
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But yeah, through these conversations, like Father Jake Dunn said, we've kind of been talking about doing something together.
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And then these kind of various desires were converging of, well, I wanted to see the shrine and we were interested in this Eucharistic revival.
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And so and doing some hiking.
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So they kind of converge.
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So kind of just, I guess, spell out a little bit more about practically what we did.
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And then we can be a little more reflecting on it.
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Was we...
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So we went to, uh, so the champion, the shrine of our lady of champion is in the green Bay diocese just outside the city of green Bay.
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And so we went, uh, so kind of how we converge with this pilgrimage was it was like, like father Jake Dunn said, it was coming down through Minnesota and then across Wisconsin kind of through lacrosse and then going down, catching green Bay and then going south down through Milwaukee.
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So we were catching it at that point as it was going through green Bay.
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And so we went to the cathedral Saturday night where the perpetual pilgrims, as they're called, kind of there's a team of people walking with the Eucharist or traveling with the Eucharist, some walking, some driving, but that are kind of participating in all these Eucharistic events as they're passing through, helping organize them and guide it.
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So these perpetual pilgrims arrived at the cathedral on that Saturday night that we got there.
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And so we celebrated the special mass.
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they had there with with Bishop Rickon.
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And then there was a holy hour after that.
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And then they processed to the nearby.
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There's a St.
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Norbert's College, which hosts the has the national the national shrine, I believe, of St.
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Joseph.
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Is it the national shrine?
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I don't think it was.
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It was the national.
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The sign outside just said Old St.
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Joseph's.
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So I don't know what that meant.
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Okay.
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We'll take it.
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So some shrine, I guess, I don't know if it's naturally, but there was another holy hour there.
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And then we, and then the big event was on Sunday.
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We went to the shrine of Our Lady of Champion.
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Now we could talk more, a little more about the shrine and why that's important.
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But in short, there was a Marian apparition there in the 1800s.
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And so that's why the shrine exists.
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But we had a mass with like,
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with the bishop again, but with like 3000 people in attendance for this big Eucharistic revival thing.
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And then we had a Eucharistic procession around the
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the country roads kind of around the shrine uh which took about uh an hour or so it was about a mile and a half and then the following day on monday they did a seven mile eucharistic pilgrimage which we also participated in and that was down like a hiking bike trail there's probably a good i don't know 50 or so people there at least participating in that and uh so that was really neat so that's kind of the
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the practicals of what
Reflections and Personal Impact
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we did.
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There's a lot that could be said about reflecting about our experiences of those, but yeah.
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Yeah, we'll get into Mary, of course, and the Eucharist, of course, but I'm curious, what was it like to be participating in this and being a priest and also not being in charge of anything?
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That was like the great joy of it was just kind of being able to
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Yeah, to just be there and do the thing.
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For me, it was like, what was my experience?
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For one, it was great to be preached to.
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Bishop Rickon preached the gospel, man.
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Hit it out of the park.
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two straight masses.
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And that was just awesome.
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And I found myself like, I think both of us felt like, okay, I just get to go to mass and be receptive more so than normally.
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And just in terms of the overall experience, you know, my normal mass experience is like running between parishes and kind of showing up and wanting to do the best and having my homily in my mind and what, you know,
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what needs to be announced at Mass and to just be there and to just say, you know, I'm going to be receptive in that spirit, I think a Marian spirit, I would say.
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So that was quite delightful.
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As a priest in the processions, that was just more than what I expected.
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I didn't know what, I guess I wasn't sure what to expect.
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And honestly, I was kind of like, well, this procession thing will be cool.
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But
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you know, I guess I don't really know what quite to expect from a long procession.
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And for me, I found the processions to be extremely prayerful.
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They drew me into a spirit of prayer and discerning prayer.
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And I think for me, you know, I kind of came to this experience with a little bit of like, okay, I just finished a year as a priest in my current assignment.
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And I spent a lot of time kind of in the last year, have spent a lot of time and I'm going to probably continue to, I have five parishes.
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I have another assignment in this school.
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I'm just kind of asking the question, where should I be?
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Am I in the right place?
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Am I at the right parish right now?
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Do I need to be over at the school when I'm at the school?
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Do I need to be over at the parishes?
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I think I'm always neglecting somebody.
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And there was something for me, not to me do some spiritual directions, but
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For me, the like the prayer was very much like, OK, I'm walking behind Jesus and I don't always know where I'm.
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And then this is like something I want to do in my life.
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Like I want my life to be following Jesus because it's like, I don't know, I've got five prayers, got the school.
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where like, where's the energy going to be?
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What's going to be fruitful.
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It's going to be the thing that Jesus is leading me to into.
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Uh, so that's what I, you know, where, where's God want me to be right now at this moment?
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And it was like, okay, I'm kind of just doing that right now.
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I'm just walking behind Jesus and my, it just, uh, so maybe there was something of the spirit that I, the questions I was asking coming into the, to this pilgrimage led me into a place of, uh,
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I want to deepen my own experience of following Jesus.
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And I found the processions did that for me.
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It just stuck to me into this prayer of, of like discern well where, what you're doing, but also a lot of my prayer was, okay, Lord, I don't always know what I'm doing.
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Can you just anoint the things that I do?
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Because I'm trying, I'm, I'm trying, I, it is not for lack of a desire to be your follower and to,
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and to do your will, but I just don't always know that the thing I'm doing right at this moment is the thing I should be doing.
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I don't know.
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So that was my experience of the procession in terms of my life as a priest and a follower of Jesus.
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And there was a real blessing in the seven mile walk in that it was kind of like a three hour holy hour.
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I wasn't sure going into it, whether you would be able to maintain the level of dignity and prayer.
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you know, going into that on a very hot day.
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Father Kevin duped me.
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We agreed we were not gonna dress as priests because it was very hot that day.
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There wasn't a lot of shade on that one.
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I show up in t-shirt and hiking, you know, kind of Columbia hiking pants.
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Father Kevin shows up looking like a priest in black.
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So it ended up being like Father Kevin with, you know, this scrub next to him.
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And I felt very bad about myself over that whole thing.
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And Father Kevin really did me a dirty on that whole deal.
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Did me dirty on that.
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Well, if anything, you could have gotten people saying, hey, have you ever thought about being a priest?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, just so you know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, that's awesome.
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Just for the benefit of our listeners at home, we've used a few words so far.
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A shrine, first of all, is just a holy place that's designated because of either a relic, a saint relic that is there, or maybe...
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holy happenstances that have happened.
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And it sounds like apparition is one of them.
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But also a Eucharistic procession is basically someone ordained walking with the monstrance, with Jesus displayed in the monstrance, usually under a canopy, and then a big, big parade of people either singing or praying, walking behind.
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So it's basically a public demonstration of
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uh our devotion and our worship yes we are literally worshiping that host because it is jesus um just kind of doing that and showing uh showing our devotion and our love um yeah so that's what a eucharistic procession is a lot of parishes have taken those up in the past year father kevin what was your uh reflection on the procession aspect of this trip
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Yeah.
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Well, first of all, my duping of Father Jacob Dunn was unintentional.
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So, but I just felt inspired.
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I'm like, it's probably not the most, I mean, it was close to a 90 degree day.
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It was hot.
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Probably not the most prudent thing to be wearing blacks.
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So I think, I think Father Jake Dunn more fully exercised the virtue of prudence.
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However, I just kind of, I don't know, I felt moved to, you know, I'm going to,
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dress as a priest and kind of make that sacrifice and, uh, I don't know, let it be what it is.
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Anyways, you don't know why I made that decision.
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Just dry humor.
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That's all for us.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Repertoire.
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Repertoire.
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Oh no.
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What's that word?
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Repertoire.
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I don't know.
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Anyways, but yes, friendly banter, friendly banter.
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Um, so anyways, the, the, yeah, I, I agree with,
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father jake done um it was surprisingly prayerful yeah and especially like what was said the the seven mile day that we did on the second day um yeah didn't know what that was gonna be like or you know it was hot we were thirsty and it seemed like it'd be be kind of hard to focus on um on jesus and stuff but also yeah surprisingly finding it very uh prayerful um
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And just being able to be very, like, just felt like I was very present to Jesus the whole time, you know?
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And there was just something about the very physical presence.
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They were walking behind him.
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There was a lot of reflecting on, for me, a lot of reflecting on just, I mean, the gospel experience, you know, the thinking about the apostles, the 12 apostles walking with Jesus from town to town, the crowds that followed Jesus, you know, for
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for various reasons, but the crowds following, walking with him, traveling with him as he's healing, as he's teaching.
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It's a very profound sense of that, of kind of doing something very, very of the gospel, you might say.
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Yeah.
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And then I also just found myself like with the crowd of people, very much a keen sense of sort of that intercessory prayer as a priest, kind of bearing on my heart all the
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kind of my parishioners, you know, my family and friends who have been praying for and kind of just like bearing them all on my heart with me, you know, as I'm walking with Christ and just feel, and yeah, just feeling like Christ was very present to me and I was very present to him.
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Yeah.
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Especially sometimes, you know, in the kind of the daily grind of ministry when you're sort of in charge, even though we're constantly doing ministry and thinking and talking a lot about Jesus, sometimes just the,
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the simple act of just being with him and being present with him sometimes doesn't happen as much as it should.
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And so just having the time and space, like we said at the beginning, we weren't in charge.
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We just showed up and like walked with Christ.
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That was just very moving.
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And all of this also played into, for me, I was reflecting on just kind of a spirituality, you might say, of
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of pilgrimage and procession.
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I know we did a bit of an episode on that with Father Tony Kruzzi a few episodes ago, but just that there was something about leaving behind your normal, kind of your normal day-to-day to go do a holy thing, to be with Christ in a particular way.
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Yes, he's everywhere, of course, and he's present to us wherever we are, and we can encounter Christ in the Eucharist in any church, but there's something about disrupting our life,
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Like there's something about a holy disruption where we go and we're just present to him that kind of allows us, I think, to be more present to Christ in a way.
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And so I was just reflecting a lot about that.
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And then again, also, like I said, with the idea of just very literally walking with Christ, like in the Gospels.
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And yeah, so that was just all very moving and beautiful.
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And that was kind of, I guess, some of my reflections, spending time with him, disrupting my life, walking with him.
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and how that all plays into a spirituality of pilgrimage.
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And again, and also bearing on my heart with that, all of the people I'm praying for.
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Well, walking in the middle of Wisconsin on a 90 degree day for seven miles in all black does sound like a disruption.
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And I think that's excellent.
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Yes.
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Father Kevin referenced our 11th episode with One Take Tony.
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One of the lessons of that episode was that a pilgrimage is not a vacation.
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I'm sure there were people that when you got back said, Father, how was your vacation?
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It was fine.
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Just say it's fine.
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It was great.
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Because a pilgrimage and a retreat and a vacation are three very different things.
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So that's great.
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I myself would consider myself a disciple and a follower of Jesus, and he is indeed everywhere, but it is really important to be present to him personally.
Significance of the Apparition
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in myself and in the quiet and in the silent or in the prayer postures that are taken when you process.
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And both of you mentioned that you really felt like the, I think it's good to think of ourselves in company of the apostles of following and not really knowing exactly what is this, what is he doing now?
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He's going to Samaria, are you kidding me?
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And just continuing to follow one step at a time right behind him as he leads.
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Another part of your trip was, the town is called Champion.
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Yes.
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Is that correct?
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Yes.
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And there was an apparition in Champion, which means that the Blessed Virgin Mary actually appeared in Wisconsin.
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Yes.
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I did not know she was a Packers fan.
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That's amazing.
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Yes, she is.
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Apparently.
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Anyway, did you actually go to the site?
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And this apparition happened in the 1800s, and it's been approved.
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As you know, there's certain apparitions that have gone on for a while or have stopped, and the church will declare them to be sound or true.
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But this is an actual approved apparition site.
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Yes, the apparition was approved like in 2010.
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I mean, so within, you know, kind of living memory and experience.
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In church years, that's very new.
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Yeah, so what was it like going to that site, the place where she was here?
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So for me, this is the second time I had been there.
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The first time I had been there, I went on a Christmas break in seminary, Father Martin Coolidge and I.
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went to the three, there are three shrine, Marian shrines in Wisconsin, Our Lady of Guadalupe and La Crosse, Our Lady, Help of Christians outside of Milwaukee, which are, you know, you talk about what a shrine is, you know, these are just simply things established as places of devotion.
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But then this third shrine, Our Lady of, and one of the confusing parts is she used to be Our Lady of Good Help.
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And then they changed in the last year to,
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calling her Our Lady of Champion, because all of the other Marian apparitions, Our Lady of Lords, Our Lady of Fatima, all were, the location was in the title.
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So they kind of wanted to be consistent with that.
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So it used to be Our Lady of Good Help was where you were going.
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But anyway, this is different in that an event happening, a holy happening occurred here.
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And I remember Father Martin Kulich, who I was traveling with, he said,
00:21:34
Speaker
You know, these other two churches, Our Lady of Help of Christians in Milwaukee, Our Lady of Guadalupe and La Crosse, beautiful, stunning churches in beautiful, stunning settings.
00:21:45
Speaker
And I remember Father Martin saying, he said, you know, those are beautiful churches, but Mary was here.
00:21:54
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And there was just something like both of us experienced that, that it was like, it's the, the shrine looks like could be any parish in our diocese.
00:22:03
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We, you could be dry and like, if you've ever driven by St.
00:22:07
Speaker
Mary's and Roseville, that's more of the experience.
00:22:10
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I mean, it's just a church along the side of the road champion.
00:22:13
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I don't even know if there's much of a town of champion, but it's not visible relative to the church.
00:22:19
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And so it's this simple rural parish and yet,
00:22:24
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you know, there's something palpable there.
00:22:25
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It's like Mary was here.
00:22:28
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And Father Martin and I, the first time I went there, felt that when we went there and visited.
00:22:35
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And then for me, I don't know, as I've come to learn what I really appreciate about the apparition
00:22:41
Speaker
is the simplicity of Mary's message, which I think is very applicable to our time.
00:22:47
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You know, she says to Sister Adele Bryce, who is the person who receives the apparition, you know, a Belgian woman who is, she served in schools for these Belgian immigrants living in Northern Wisconsin at that time in the mid to late 1800s.
00:23:01
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And she just kind of went around establishing schools and religious education and parishes for these very, you know, poor, you know, immigrant kids basically.
00:23:10
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you know, Sister Adele in receiving the apparition, you know, the simplicity of Mary's message of, you know, go out into that wild country and teach the children what they need for salvation.
00:23:20
Speaker
I think she identifies like make the sign of the cross, teach them the Our Father.
00:23:25
Speaker
I think maybe mentions the catechism, you know, which would have been simple kind of Baltimore-styled catechism or something like that.
00:23:32
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But just the simplicity of, oh, sometimes I make this hard.
00:23:37
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And in one sense it is go into that wild country, you know, okay.
00:23:40
Speaker
Yeah, that there's a wildness out there.
00:23:42
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There's something difficult.
00:23:43
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There's something to be tamed.
00:23:45
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But on the other side of it, sometimes that, you know, what do we need?
00:23:49
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It's like, know the cross, know that these prayers that Jesus teaches us, you know, know how to engage the mass and these, you know, the, you know, the basics of our faith.
00:24:00
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And then it's something to be lived.
00:24:02
Speaker
And so I've just appreciated the simplicity of,
00:24:06
Speaker
and directness of Mary's message to Sister Adele.
00:24:15
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Yes, I would agree with all of that.
00:24:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:24:20
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It was, and I fully agree the experience.
00:24:22
Speaker
This was my first time.
00:24:23
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I had not been there before, but we did hit up those other shrines too.
00:24:29
Speaker
And I would fully agree, like Our Lady of Guadalupe's Toronto Lacrosse and then Holy Hill, as it's commonly called outside of Milwaukee, is both beautiful churches, nice places of prayer.
00:24:41
Speaker
Would recommend visiting.
00:24:43
Speaker
but there was something about the Our Lady of Champion Shrine that, yeah, it was just a sense that there's something different here, like something like truly holy, I guess.
00:24:54
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You know, Mary really appeared here.
00:24:57
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And there's just something very moving about that in its simplicity, yeah.
00:25:02
Speaker
And for me, it was just like, there's also a sense, I think with that coinciding with the Eucharistic pilgrimage, this national Eucharistic pilgrimage of just this sense of,
00:25:14
Speaker
yeah, like something like the fruit of that apparition that happened over 100 years ago is still is not complete.
00:25:23
Speaker
You know, it's still the Mary's apparition there is still bearing fruit is still having effect is still rippling, I think, into our modern day.
00:25:33
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And, and that so I guess kind of coinciding with that with this National Eucharistic pilgrimage of just like, I don't know, there was just this sense of like,
00:25:43
Speaker
being a part of sort of this historical event, the National Eucharistic Pilgrimage, here's the shrine.
00:25:48
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And, oh, and by the way, Bishop Rickon told us he was just, they were just approved to move forward with Sister Adele's process of canonization, of kind of investigating to and looking for miracles of her being enrolled in the formal saints of the church, you know?
00:26:07
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So, yeah.
00:26:09
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So,
00:26:11
Speaker
I just had a profound sense that something beautiful is happening here.
00:26:15
Speaker
I mean, it's so easy for us to get caught up in the news and all the bad stuff going on in the world and the international church and our church, whatever.
00:26:22
Speaker
You know, the ways, the problems in our own parishes, whatever.
00:26:28
Speaker
But just a sense of, I think, like, God is still going to do something that will ripple out from where he sent his mother to appear.
00:26:36
Speaker
That will continue to have effects throughout the faith in the Midwest.
00:26:41
Speaker
inspiring faith, inspiring people to Christ.
00:26:43
Speaker
And as well as that coinciding with this national Eucharistic revival, um, that's concretizing in these pilgrimages that they're converging in this national Eucharistic Congress that I think also will have effect and bear fruit in the life of our church.
00:26:56
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So, um, it was just very moving to feel like we were part of something that something, uh, historical and real.
00:27:05
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Yeah.
00:27:06
Speaker
And I think for me, it's like, uh,
00:27:09
Speaker
One thing that Bishop Bricken hit on and just the sense that I had in the procession and the Marian apparition element coming together
00:27:15
Speaker
is like, is the active, the activeness of God, the livingness of God that like, you know, one thing Bishop Rickon said that just struck me in my heart, it was just a very simple cadence of God wants to claim your hearts.
00:27:29
Speaker
God wants to claim this land.
00:27:31
Speaker
God wants to claim this diocese for himself, wants to claim these cornfields for himself.
00:27:36
Speaker
This procession just went through cornfields basically.
00:27:39
Speaker
And it's like, there's something in the apparition
00:27:43
Speaker
And in this Eucharistic pilgrimage coinciding, coming together, it's like God is real and God is doing something in our church now.
00:27:56
Speaker
Yes.
00:27:58
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Yeah, it's kind of like when we, we, we can say collectively, we made it to the moon and we put a flag there.
00:28:04
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Or when someone, you know, lands on a new country, they claim it for them, whether or not it's theirs.
00:28:10
Speaker
So it's almost like the Blessed Virgin is on behalf of the Father is moving in and saying, all right, this is my land.
00:28:17
Speaker
And so are we going to go along with that or not?
00:28:22
Speaker
That's really cool.
00:28:25
Speaker
Yeah, the activeness of God.
00:28:26
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That was well said, Father Jake Dunn.
00:28:27
Speaker
Yeah, that's kind of what I was trying to say.
00:28:29
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Like God is alive and working.
00:28:31
Speaker
And there's just a sense of that being part of that.
00:28:34
Speaker
Mm hmm.
00:28:34
Speaker
What was it like being, especially for you, Father Kevin, having leading up and talking about and podcasting about this for so many months and then now actually getting to participate in some way in one of the things that have, what was that
National Movement and Historical Context
00:28:51
Speaker
like to have?
00:28:51
Speaker
I mean, it was outside of just these three little boxes that we can see each other on right now and it was actually in the flesh.
00:28:59
Speaker
Yeah, I think, I mean, again, it was very moving to be a part of this
00:29:03
Speaker
like God is working there's like this national thing happening and being a part of this thing that's bigger I guess than myself bigger than than our own diocese even bigger than the diocese of Green Bay um and how it's just kind of like you know people are walking with Jesus through all these towns and there's like sort of leaving this inspiring wake in its midst you know like
00:29:26
Speaker
which is kind of how I often think about Jesus.
00:29:28
Speaker
You know, we read Jesus in the gospel and he just like passes through towns and heals people.
00:29:32
Speaker
People are healed.
00:29:33
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There's life.
00:29:33
Speaker
There's, there's just sort of this wake of life wherever he goes.
00:29:37
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I kind of felt that, you know, as this Eucharistic is passing through, there's kind of this wake of life and, and it's just beginning, you know, because the idea of there's going to be this National Eucharistic Congress here in the end of July, but the idea is that's not supposed to be
00:29:52
Speaker
an end.
00:29:52
Speaker
We also did a podcast with Sister Alicia, who's helping organize that.
00:29:56
Speaker
And I forget what phrase exactly she said, but she said it's not supposed to be an end, but a beginning or, uh, uh, yeah, I forget exactly how she worded that, but yeah, that this Congress isn't meant to be necessarily like the culmination of Eucharistic revival, but rather be a gathering that is a spark for, for something bigger, you know, of inspiring faith in our nation.
00:30:17
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And again, it's just, uh,
00:30:20
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:20
Speaker
And again, you can read about these things on our news, but then to go and to be gathered with, oh, 3000 people decided to disrupt their day to come to the shrine in the middle of the country, participate in this.
00:30:31
Speaker
And, uh, and as father Jake Dunn said, we both were very, also very moved by, by Bishop Rickon.
00:30:36
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Um, just this, this humble Bishop very much had this just kindness and warmth and humility about him, but then like preach the gospel, you know, like he,
00:30:47
Speaker
He was a very humble man, but you could tell just very authentic and very authentically moved by the gospel of Jesus Christ.
00:30:53
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And, uh, yeah.
00:30:55
Speaker
There were 3000 people walking with you.
00:30:57
Speaker
Uh, well, there were 3000 people at the mass we attended at the shrine.
00:31:02
Speaker
Uh, and then I don't know how many of them actually, but there was a lot.
00:31:06
Speaker
Was it outside?
00:31:09
Speaker
The mass was so they built it's the at the shrine, they built this kind of larger conference center that can double as a common center or a church.
00:31:21
Speaker
And so that's where mass was actually held.
00:31:23
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But they additionally had a tent, like an outdoor party tent outside that was also full of people and they had like TV screens from the church to so people outside could also participate.
00:31:35
Speaker
And so there was an estimated
00:31:36
Speaker
at least at mass between, cause that whole conference center was filled all the way up.
00:31:40
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This big, huge party tent outside was filled all the way up with people participating in the mass.
00:31:45
Speaker
And then a good portion of them were, uh, came and walked, uh, at least part of that pilgrimage, uh, with us that day.
00:31:52
Speaker
Um, yeah, I guess I didn't count or anything, but, uh, but they said it was a good, good, uh, you know, we had people stretched at least a good quarter mile or so down the road and, uh,
00:32:04
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Yeah, we took up the whole road.
00:32:05
Speaker
So kind of just need a parade permit for that.
00:32:08
Speaker
I know that from my hometown.
00:32:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:12
Speaker
That's do you know what order Sister Adele Rice?
00:32:16
Speaker
It's a little bit of a I won't say confusing or, you know, it's not even clear kind of if she was a really a diocesan religious sister.
00:32:25
Speaker
This is my understanding is that you had some degree of religious
00:32:30
Speaker
commitment and they called her sister Adele and there were other sisters with her, but there doesn't, like she wasn't a Franciscan.
00:32:36
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She wasn't, you know, whatever, a BVM.
00:32:41
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She was part of some kind of community and that community seems not, it doesn't seem like there's an inheritor to that community.
00:32:49
Speaker
It just was like, they had a mission for these Belgian immigrants at a particular time and place.
00:32:54
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They served them and yeah.
00:32:59
Speaker
Yeah, my understanding is, yeah, as she was kind of teaching the faith to the Belgian immigrants, there were these other women who kind of gathered with her and they kind of called themselves the community.
00:33:10
Speaker
I think they called themselves the community of St.
00:33:13
Speaker
Francis of Assisi or something.
00:33:15
Speaker
And so they and she did wear a habit herself and some of the other ones did.
00:33:21
Speaker
But yeah, but it wasn't it wasn't there more of what we would classify as a third order Franciscans, which is
00:33:29
Speaker
But again, yeah.
00:33:31
Speaker
So a third order for those who don't know is like, so there's like the main religious order.
00:33:34
Speaker
And then there's like lay people who will commit themselves to the spirituality and in some level share in the apostolic work.
00:33:41
Speaker
And they're called third orders.
00:33:44
Speaker
Yeah, but it wasn't as as a formally established community to my understanding either.
00:33:49
Speaker
But it was kind of they came together for this mission.
00:33:52
Speaker
And they kind of, and so she was called Sister Adele.
00:33:54
Speaker
She kind of wore a habit.
00:33:56
Speaker
But I don't think any of them took like formal vows in the church per se.
00:34:02
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So we could confidently say though, that she was just faithfully praying and doing her thing every single day.
00:34:08
Speaker
And the Blessed Virgin decided to appear to her.
00:34:11
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I'm sure there's many people that are like, come on Adele, go back to singing.
00:34:16
Speaker
Like, what are you, what are you, what are you thinking?
00:34:18
Speaker
You're crazy.
00:34:19
Speaker
Or maybe some people who are doubtful.
00:34:21
Speaker
But I'm really eager to now look up more about her.
00:34:26
Speaker
But I think it's cool that someone who's just faithfully doing their thing in Wisconsin or Iowa or Dubuque, this is over 100 years
Miraculous Protection and Marian Spirituality
00:34:37
Speaker
ago.
00:34:37
Speaker
And oh, yeah, over 100 years ago.
00:34:40
Speaker
And it's still having effect and still having bringing forth life.
00:34:43
Speaker
So I think that's cool.
00:34:45
Speaker
It may be a homily that one of you two or me preach.
00:34:47
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:49
Speaker
or the things we do or just the daily faithfulness that we perform could have ripples throughout centuries.
00:34:58
Speaker
There's something to me very authentic about, you know, we have, you know, I think in Rome, they just kind of had to squash a Marian apparition that was kind of happening outside of the city.
00:35:07
Speaker
And by squash, I don't mean anything violent, but just that to disaffirm the veracity of that apparition.
00:35:17
Speaker
And so there's these things that kind of come up that are recent, you know, and, you know, there's always a sense I think of, at least for me, and I think among many in the church, it's like, okay, well, is this true?
00:35:26
Speaker
Magigory, is this true?
00:35:28
Speaker
You know, there's something, there's a recency bias or thing going on.
00:35:32
Speaker
To me, there's something so authentic about something that happened 150 years ago seems to be almost peaking in its popularity and bearing of fruit
00:35:45
Speaker
now.
00:35:46
Speaker
I mean, you know, the apparition was affirmed.
00:35:49
Speaker
So there's been a staying power to this that, to me, speaks to the authenticity of the apparition, the authenticity of Sister Adele's faithfulness, you know, that like this is real.
00:36:03
Speaker
And there's like there's just when people go, there's a sense that this is real.
00:36:07
Speaker
And it has been so for 150 years.
00:36:10
Speaker
And
00:36:13
Speaker
And there's also, I mean, there is a certain miraculous kind of staying power, the Pashtego Fire.
00:36:19
Speaker
Is that the way you pronounce it?
00:36:20
Speaker
Pashtego.
00:36:22
Speaker
Pashtego Fire.
00:36:26
Speaker
In 1871, the same year as the Chicago Fire that burned down the city, a larger fire that had more...
00:36:35
Speaker
victims happened in Wisconsin and kind of burned up all of what we call Door County in that area around that Green Bay area and the local peoples.
00:36:44
Speaker
So it was this huge hundreds and hundreds of acres, thousands of acres of area that was burned.
00:36:49
Speaker
It was very dry summer and whatever.
00:36:51
Speaker
And the people went and gathered at the church there that doesn't exist anymore, but the church there at what is the Shrine of Our Lady of Champion and the fire just went right around it.
00:37:03
Speaker
not like miles around it, like acres around it.
00:37:06
Speaker
I mean, they were surrounded, but they went in and just prayed and because literally miles and miles and miles of fire is surrounding them.
00:37:14
Speaker
And so there's just an energy of protection that Mary had around that place that she interceded for them.
00:37:23
Speaker
And so there is a kind of miraculous affirmation of her intercession in that place.
00:37:29
Speaker
That's a part of the apparition kind of lore
00:37:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:35
Speaker
And it rained the next morning.
00:37:37
Speaker
They, the people gathered and I mean, they fled to this, this shrine for protection.
00:37:41
Speaker
Some of the farmers brought their animals and they, they prayed all throughout the night with the, with the sisters, you know, whatever status they had, but you know, the, the sisters, the, the ones of sister Adele and they prayed the rosary and other prayers kind of throughout the night.
00:37:56
Speaker
Um,
00:37:56
Speaker
you know, and even some kind of thought, this is the end of the world, you know, when you have literally raging infernos around you.
00:38:03
Speaker
And yeah, and it passed around the, I believe it was six acres of land that it was on, but considering it was a hundred miles, all the direction, but then I believe it rained at the next morning and put out the fire.
00:38:12
Speaker
So it was like, Oh, almost seemed like there is a, you know, yeah, that, that Maraca's intercession of Mary, protecting the place and the people who gathered faithfully in that place.
00:38:21
Speaker
And then sending,
00:38:23
Speaker
through her intercession, seemed to be an effect that helped.
00:38:29
Speaker
Seems to be.
00:38:30
Speaker
Is it astounding?
00:38:31
Speaker
Yes.
00:38:32
Speaker
Is it real?
00:38:33
Speaker
Once again, yes.
00:38:35
Speaker
I think it's important for us to acknowledge that whatever...
00:38:40
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Our mother Mary does.
00:38:41
Speaker
It always, always, always points back to Jesus.
00:38:44
Speaker
She said, do whatever he tells you in the Gospel of John.
00:38:47
Speaker
And then, of course, the love that Jesus has for his mother is evident when he says, behold your mother from the cross.
00:38:54
Speaker
So rather than just cool local legends about Jesus,
00:39:00
Speaker
some woman appearing, this is always, always pointing to Christ and the glory of God.
00:39:06
Speaker
And I think that's an important thing to emphasize when we're talking about Marian apparitions, especially.
00:39:17
Speaker
Amen.
00:39:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:19
Speaker
And yes, Mary always brings us to Christ.
00:39:22
Speaker
And I think, like we kind of said already, but I think there's something that's very moving about this sort of, this experience of Mary at this apparition, right?
00:39:31
Speaker
Coinciding with the Eucharist.
00:39:33
Speaker
Because there's a beautiful closeness there, right?
00:39:35
Speaker
Because Mary bore Jesus's flesh.
00:39:38
Speaker
I mean, he took flesh from her flesh.
00:39:40
Speaker
So there's a deep connection between
00:39:42
Speaker
Mary in her flesh and blood and the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, and that she always leads us to him, right?
00:39:50
Speaker
And there's also part of the whole Eucharistic devotion is receiving that which Christ gives of the gift of himself.
00:39:57
Speaker
Mary has this very much a spirituality of receptivity that can help us to receive the Eucharist more deeply.
00:40:05
Speaker
There's actually an artistic image I love, a painting.
00:40:08
Speaker
I don't know who did it or anything, but there's one of actually Mary...
00:40:12
Speaker
adoring the Blessed Sacrament, that there's a very beautiful image that I used to have on my wall, but I gave it away to someone.
00:40:21
Speaker
But there was just something, for me, very moving about that, of Mary praying before the Blessed Sacrament of her son, Jesus Christ.
00:40:31
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, and just reflecting, like, what was her experience?
00:40:34
Speaker
What was Mary's experience of the Eucharist after her son resurrected and ascended into heaven?
00:40:38
Speaker
Would Mary have received the Eucharist?
00:40:41
Speaker
She, oh yeah, she would have.
00:40:42
Speaker
They would have had mass, right?
00:40:44
Speaker
After Jesus ascended, right?
00:40:47
Speaker
So she would have.
00:40:47
Speaker
I think so.
00:40:48
Speaker
That's cool.
00:40:49
Speaker
Yeah, I think there's a deeper, you know, the Marian connection to the Eucharist is like the incarnation of Jesus, 100% of his humanity comes from Mary, right?
00:41:00
Speaker
I mean, Joseph provides nothing in terms of that to this situation.
00:41:06
Speaker
And so when we say,
00:41:08
Speaker
Body, blood, soul, and divinity is what's present in the Eucharist.
00:41:12
Speaker
You know, the humanity of Jesus is fully descended of, fully of the Virgin Mary.
00:41:20
Speaker
And so the humanity of Jesus is present in the Eucharist.
00:41:25
Speaker
you know, body, blood, soul, and divinity.
00:41:28
Speaker
And so there's something Marian.
00:41:29
Speaker
And so I think, you know, in my parishes, I've, we're queen of saints cluster.
00:41:33
Speaker
And I've had us, asked us to pray at the end of mass after the final blessing, we pray the hail, holy queen, because we're queen of saints.
00:41:40
Speaker
So it's kind of like, that's like our, should be our, you know, our, you know, cry battle cries, hail, holy queen, if we're queen of saints cluster.
00:41:48
Speaker
But, but there's something for me that's more important, which is like,
00:41:52
Speaker
the fruits of this are deepened and we enter more deeply into the mystery of the Eucharist and the deep humanity of the Eucharist, both in Jesus's humanity and his coming to join to our humanity when we're in touch with who Mary is, because she's this pivot point, the fulcrum of human history on which God comes into human existence.
00:42:19
Speaker
And so for me, I always pray after receipt, after the gospel and after just in my own head and personal prayer, after, after the gospel is proclaimed and after the Eucharist, after in communion, those moments of silence of, you know, heavenly father through the immaculate heart of, of Mary, you know, make this fruitful, make the gospel fruitful, make this receiving of the Eucharist fruitful because it was so fruitful in her, you know, that we would have something of her, her heart in us.
00:42:50
Speaker
That for me is an important image.
00:42:56
Speaker
And one time in conversation, Father Jake Dunn, we were talking about, you were sharing just how this reflection about how Mary, I forget how you word it exactly, but Mary creates the space for Jesus to work.
00:43:12
Speaker
And I was very moved by that.
00:43:13
Speaker
That's like very much her message at Guadalupe.
00:43:16
Speaker
you know, build a temple for my son here.
00:43:20
Speaker
You know, like Mary is this, and like her life, her body, like her body is this place, this space in which is opened up in which God enters into.
00:43:31
Speaker
And there's something even like of an empty space there.
00:43:35
Speaker
I mean, I think that's the suffering of Mary is that there is a kind of emptiness that she experiences with
00:43:41
Speaker
both in, well, really in her suffering, but to open up a space.
00:43:46
Speaker
I think that's what, you know, what is a Marian spirituality, to know the Blessed Virgin Mary, it is to say, my life is an open space for which God to enter into.
00:43:56
Speaker
One of the great chapters, I think, if somebody wants to really, the Way of the Disciples, a book written by Erasmo Marikakis,
00:44:04
Speaker
Laeva Merikakis, and the last chapter is on Mary.
00:44:07
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And he says, you know, the vocation of every Christian is to be someone who bears Christ and gives birth to him into the world.
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I mean, that's a very visceral image.
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It's an image that's strange.
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As a man, it's a strange image because a woman does bear another human being into the world and gives birth.
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But for me as a man, to kind of take on that sensibility of to be filled with
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in the way that Mary is filled with, so as to bring him into the world for my own benefit and then overflowing into the benefit of the people around me.
00:44:43
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But yeah, that for me, you know, at Guadalupe, it's, you know, build a temple for me here.
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At Fatima, she says, you know, pray the rosary.
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To me, it's like create this space in your day, this 15 minutes where you're going to open up yourself to prayer.
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To me, that's the consistent Marian thing.
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It's like open yourself to the Lord.
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Stop being so closed in on yourself and be open to Christ.
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Mm-hmm.
00:45:14
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And along that lines of the emptiness, there's also another beautiful book that I love.
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It's titled The Read of God by Carol Hauslander.
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And her opening chapter is actually titled Emptiness.
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And it's, I mean, the whole book, similarly, she talks about how Mary really is the model of discipleship for all of us.
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But the opening chapter, Emptiness, is she talks about that very idea of
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of sort of emptying ourselves of clutter to create a space for God to work.
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And she gives kind of three images of emptiness.
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So one is the reed, which is the title of the book, you know, like a flute, a hollowed reed, you know, that is hollowed out so God's breath can go blow through to create music, right?
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But it has to be hollowed, empty.
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If it's cluttered with things, it won't make the music, right?
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And the second image she uses is a, is a nest, like a mother bird creating a nest to receive life.
00:46:09
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Right.
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And the third is the, is an image of a chalice kind of creating that space.
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And, and so she plays with those images of, and how even how those, those vessels or those receptacles have to be formed.
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You know, the, the, the, the reed, you know, has to be, has to be carved out, you know, and, and, and cut into and the,
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the chalice has to be hammered and the, the, the nest has to be kind of collect together the things.
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And then it has to be formed.
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You know, as the mother bird kind of digs herself into it to shape it out.
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And, and she also talks about how sometimes the, the irony of how sometimes people whose lives are most like cluttered just with like worldly things and anxieties are those who tend to feel the most, the most empty in a, in a negative sense, empty in the sense of meaninglessness, but it's those who truly,
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empty themselves from clutter to create a space for God that, that then are full of life, you know?
00:47:10
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And so anyways, I just wanted to add that to that whole thing.
00:47:13
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Well, that's fascinating.
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I really liked that.
00:47:16
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It also ties back to father Jake's reflection on being receptive and saying, I'm just going to receive, what is it that Mary's fiat translates to?
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What is the phrase that her fiat translates to?
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Be it done unto me.
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I'm game Lord.
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I'm here and I'm ready.
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Like that's, that's basically what it is.
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And, uh, to have that, um, not only surrender, but also trust that he is going to take care of me and that you will do because, uh, also I think I want on, um, my tombstone now, I don't know what I'm doing, but please anoint the things that I am doing.
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Father Jake Dunn.
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There's a, there's a, the apostles, I mean, we just read from Mark last week.
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I don't know when this is going to air, but when the apostles were like, save us, we're drowning.
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Don't you see we're drowning?
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And he's just like, okay, be quiet, storm.
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Everybody be still, just chill out.
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There's a recept, there's a receptivity and a, a,
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a risk and a disruption when we, when we actually pause and we dwell and let him abide with us.
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And I think that's what our, our blessed mother would want as well.
00:48:32
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So as we're wrapping up here, um, I think the question on our listeners, uh, minds and hearts is, did you both have ice cream on your trip to champion?
00:48:41
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Oh yeah.
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We, we,
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We consume dairy in a number of ways.
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Dairy and inspired brandy old fashions.
00:48:55
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I think you have to kind of say it a little bit of Wisconsin, you know, like a brandy old fashioned.
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Brandy old fashioned.
00:49:02
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Oh, yeah.
00:49:03
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It's kind of considered one of the drinks of Wisconsin.
00:49:06
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You got your supper club there, you know, and your cheese curds and your brandy old fashioned.
00:49:13
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Mm-hmm.
00:49:14
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Well, I think you'll lend in.
00:49:19
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Well, thank you everyone, listeners and all for joining us on another exciting episode of the Debuchadnezzar Revival.
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And thanks.
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That's the name we're going with.
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Thank you.
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And thank you to Jake Dunn for sharing with us the fruits of your journey and for Father Kevin for accompanying him and for duping him.
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I'll see you in the Eucharist, everyone.