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Daily Southampton: Episode 128 - A football catch up!
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Southampton – We are back and with no crossover episode this week we take the opportunity to just talk football. Transfers, the league this year, the FA Cup, and everyones favourite subject, referee's!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Crossover
00:00:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Southampton part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Greg Elliott and I'm joined by a full team today. Oscar, how you doing mate, you alright?
00:00:21
Oscar
Yeah, all good. Thanks.
00:00:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, Zach, you doing good?
00:00:25
Zak
Yeah, loving life, mate.
00:00:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Good. We are back and this would normally be our crossover episode. Unfortunately, we have not expanded into the wonderful world of the championship yet and we do not have any colleagues from Burnley.
00:00:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
And so I thought that we would just well yeah a bit and just have a bit of a chat about football, football in general, and and how we're
Optimism and Transfer Window Discussion
00:00:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
doing. We're all feeling a bit more upbeat since our win at the weekend. So I thought we would just you know look at the transfer window as a whole, some of the left field moves that we've seen, some out of the blue stuff, and just where football's at at the moment. But yeah.
00:01:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like I said, let's get into it. ah Referee suck, right? but
00:01:11
Zak
Now I want to roll back to transfers.
Club Strategies and Surprising Transfers
00:01:15
Zak
So from the outside looking in, if you look at the window and sort of bad cities collapse this season, which seems to have resulted in them spending somehow like, like I think of how much you spent in recent times. And I don't really understand how you can get away with just spending like 50 million quid on a midfielder on like deadline day.
00:01:33
Zak
and and just kind of like hoping that that's going to fill the gap of rotary and I find it wild that suddenly sort of these bigger clubs like whenever they get an injury like i understand it with a long-term injury so you can be wrong but sort of just go like oh one of our best players is injured let's buy like six players just in case and then you just have these overly ah ah inflated bloated squads like Chelsea where like they they thought if we spend a trillion pounds surely we have to get it right and arguably they've they've kind of got it right but then like also so you've seen some really weird left field transfers like
00:02:09
Zak
the whole Marcus Rushford for Aston Villa, which I don't know if you guys saw the like somebody, <unk> somebody tweeted like four years ago, like Rashi in four years and it was Rashi at Aston Villa.
00:02:19
Zak
However, I do you think that that the understanding at that point was that Villa would not be quite in the hall of the heights of where they are currently, but yeah.
00:02:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. I mean, that's how crazy this season's been, right? Because genuinely, that feels like a step up, right?
00:02:34
Oscar
I was going to say the exact same thing.
00:02:35
Zak
you know ah like so Oh you know he's gone away to Villa and I'm like you know it's like seeing daddy who's going to Villa you're kind of like oh okay that's a bit of a step down. Not anymore. Villa are a Champions League team for a long period of the Champions League villa but like top slash all those top that's insane.
00:02:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:02:53
Zak
It's kind of the one of the reasons I like the new format if I'm totally honest. for
00:02:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Have they, it' of right, have Villa had the best January transfer window?
Aston Villa's Transfer Success
00:03:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah window? ah Like it feels like it, right? Like they lost Duran, who's been scoring for them, but they bought in what? Rashford, Asensio, Marlin from Dortmund, like...
00:03:12
Oscar
We all see you as well, definitely.
00:03:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:03:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
little small bone.
00:03:31
Zak
oh
00:03:34
Zak
you're so harsh on the small bone man yeah what
00:03:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
the it's yeah It's been a bit of a crazy one. Any standouts for you Oscar from the window as a whole?
00:03:45
Oscar
i can I couldn't believe that Burnley have signed Marcus Edwards. I think that one's absolute madness. He's gone from sporting. I believe he was at sporting, wasn't he? He's gone from sporting to Burnley.
00:03:57
Zak
That's got to be... so Sometimes I say it's left field ones, right?
00:04:00
Oscar
Serious culture shift as well.
00:04:02
Zak
like Such left field transfers that have happened so far this year. and But you're right, that is also a bit of a weird one. and just but there are There have been more than a few this year that um um have kind of made me go, oh yeah.
00:04:14
Zak
and
00:04:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Ben Chilwell to Crystal Palace.
00:04:19
Zak
Well, again, again that's that's just indicative of the fact that you have a Chelsea squad that has like 10,000 people in it. like We're quite lucky that they they they seem to have so many defensive midfielders that they haven't needed a particularly back because they almost did. Luckily, Latvia's hamstrings didn't snap this year. so Yeah it's just it's a it's a weird one right and yet somehow you know some of the best sort of bits of business have been academy players coming up or alternatively when you when if you're Nottingham Forest when you bought Chris Wood like three transfer windows ago and nobody cared it suddenly becomes like almost top score of the the Premier League, mad isn't it?
00:04:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Crazy.
Reflecting on Southampton's Transfers
00:04:58
Oscar
i was I don't know if any of you heard on TalkSport, they were talking to, I think it was Dara Anthony, the Peterborough owner, who's an interesting character.
00:04:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
wait
00:05:05
Oscar
I haven't really heard him before. He made a good point of how many, can you think of how many, like and specifically Southampton, how many January transfers have we ever done that have actually, that have been successful that you can think
00:05:19
Oscar
Certainly in recent history, I can't think of many.
00:05:21
Zak
Charlie Austin did a right, he scored for that man year, and that old Trafford got us our first win there.
00:05:26
Oscar
Yeah, he was he was probably the one.
00:05:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, but also, now we play for the profit.
00:05:28
Zak
But that is also about eight years ago, so...
00:05:31
Oscar
Yeah.
00:05:33
Zak
Yeah,
00:05:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Toolpool was a January sign him, right?
00:05:38
Zak
yeah but he was also...
00:05:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Were we calling that coming good now?
00:05:40
Zak
we Yeah, but again, like for that that season, it didn't really help, did it? You know, Solomata, Toolpool, yes, they've come good now, but also both both were kind of missing in a championship when it would have you know it's only because we're back in the Premier League that they've wanted to kind of stay or put start putting the effort in.
00:05:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:05:58
Zak
Maybe that's a bit harsh on Solomata and we got injured and was out for a lot of that time, but it's it's I can't think of many January transfers we had. I'm trying to remember if Inge was a January transfer.
00:06:10
Zak
the first time when he came back. But I might just be going, Matt, it's really hard for me.
00:06:13
Oscar
I'm not too sure he was on loan, wasn't he?
00:06:16
Zak
Yeah, because he came in alone.
00:06:16
Oscar
When he first came.
00:06:17
Zak
I don't know if it was for the fourth season or the six months and then we bought him in the summer because that was also the we we we did that. We used to do that quite a lot before before it became like a popular thing, I swear, because we have Bertrand from Chelsea and another one of the Chelsea players that you're just like, oh, yeah you forget <unk> all played for Chelsea because they seem to have bought everybody at some point and then not played them.
00:06:27
Oscar
Yeah.
00:06:40
Zak
Yeah, I can't remember.
00:06:40
Oscar
And Ramou.
00:06:42
Zak
I can't remember, but that that window was bad, right? Orsage. Remember his whole seven minutes of game time he got for us?
00:06:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's crazy. I remember when he he played those minutes, in fact, and he he got subbed on, I think, at the same time as Al-Qaraz in his debut. And I looked at him and went, well, also, she looks like the better player of the two here, and that will could not have been a ah ah worse take.
00:07:06
Zak
Oh, mate. It's sort of...
00:07:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
We didn't even talk about it in our transfer special, actually, but because we were so miserable and focused on staying up late to focus on Saints that Al-Qaraz went to Everton as well.
00:07:19
Zak
Oh, it's like it's like an arrow to the heart, isn't it? Like perfect. So we let we let go this good attacking player that's now being purchased by. ah ah Do we call them relegation rivals?
00:07:30
Zak
I kind of say we do at this point, right? like they've not I know they've got boys back now and it's not the same short dodgeball, so you're not really expecting them to be in a relegation battle, but at the same time, that bottom of the table, other than us, which are pretty cemented to the bottom, is a bit more dynamic than I think most of the clubs in the bottom 10 would want to be, right?
00:07:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:07:50
Zak
Again, weird season. Back to your earlier point, Greg, of how strange it's been so far, right?
00:07:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
Premier League Standings and Surprises
00:07:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
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00:08:25
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00:08:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
So yeah, I mean, I guess having a look at the table, you're right. It's not as clear cut as it sounds, is it? The three three that came up go down. Wolves are right amongst it.
00:08:45
Zak
No, wolves are right in there.
00:08:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
And yeah, Everton are within reach.
00:08:49
Zak
ah ah yeah Ab West Ham and Spurs, weirdly, and even technically United, like it's it's kind of mad, but also, because we're having such a bad season, there's less emphasis on the fact that, like, when we fired Hassenhugel, it was because we had, like, what, like, 12, 13 points after, like,
00:09:05
Zak
something about games got rid of him in like the November December period and then like you look at the two teams above us who have also sacked their managers and replaced them and have barely had a new manager bounce and it's kind of like the point study is really I think it because we're so bad it kind of takes the eyes off of how bad the other teams have been
00:09:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:09:25
Zak
Is that a fair statement to make? I don't want to bug off the entirety of the Premier League fanbase, but like I think that we are a good get out of jail free card for a lot of clubs that haven't been playing half as well. But like the fact that you see Manchester United and Spurs at 13th and 14th is just like what a world we live in nowadays that the lofty heights of Manchester United and the Fergies now but a distant memory and there are going to be kids now that are growing up that have only ever seen Manchester United be a bad club apart from that one time they won like a cup accidentally or had Jose Baridio get them second and they thought that that was apparently like not okay
00:09:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:09:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:10:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:10:05
Zak
Just weird. i film This is one of the things, right? like We could always at least be positive with the sense of like, our expectations are so low, they get surpassed constantly. Even coming back up technically is like surpassing the expectations we had.
00:10:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
there what
00:10:18
Zak
Maybe it would have been nice to have stayed.
Bournemouth's Performance and Future
00:10:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
What's the biggest surprise for you? this like Who's the furthest away from where your predictions would have lined up in the league this season, Oscar?
00:10:29
Oscar
probably Bournemouth, to be honest. I think i think fair play to Bournemouth, and you know they're doing what we did a few years ago, what Brighton did a few years after that, and probably are still doing now, and and what they' but I wouldn't have expected looking at their plays.
00:10:45
Oscar
I don't think I was i was the only one, and I think we were linked with some NIO as well, weren't we? And another one that I sort of turned my nose up at a little bit, and obviously, you know completely wrong about that one.
00:10:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:10:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think I put Bournemouth as going down.
00:10:56
Oscar
and
00:10:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
like
00:10:58
Oscar
Yeah, I thought, ah you know, I think it's it's it's a matter of time until they are dragged back into that at some point. I mean, that it's just clubs are size and I'm saying they're in a similar size, obviously where they are at the moment, it's a lot better. But in fact, the argument is probably they're a little bit smaller, not to incite the entire of the Bournemouth fanbase, but, you know,
00:11:21
Oscar
the the reality of it is that they will just get pulled apart eventually by a big big club. um've I've already heard people linking Iraiola with Tottenham and I don't know why he'd go there for that the life of me but you know I think it's it's a shame but it's a matter of time I think before they before they sort of drop off a little bit but I think they're the big ones for me and and Forest as well I think everyone would say the same and I think there's quite a few high profile people that have said they thought Forest might be a
00:11:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:11:48
Oscar
might be candidates to have gone down this year and again she just goes to show sometimes.
00:11:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I've actually just brought up my predictions to check and actually I had Bournemouth surviving relegation by one place finishing above forest. So maybe I just don't know anything about football at this point.
00:12:04
Zak
I think think it just can rapidly change and you can have a really really good season like Leicester proved that a couple of years ago right like Leicester won the league after almost getting relegated and then the problem was is that almost immediately they were stripped you know and Kante went to to Chelsea you know you've now got Maguire at the lofty heights of Man United
00:12:22
Zak
you know, maybe it took a time to pick that squad apart, but that's what happened. And I think Oscar's right over the money that, like, the problem is, is as successful as Bournemouth are going to be now, is keeping hold of the players, because Brighton have done exactly the same thing, but Brighton are starting to pay dividends this year. They've they still had a good season by, you know, like the stretch of, you know, what they probably expected, but you're you're starting to see their sort of big players get picked apart, being go going off every year and it's becoming unsustainable as the you know the losses are starting to kind of stack up and they're not and not small losses either and they're managing to get away some suitors.
00:12:57
Zak
like I can't remember which Saudi club came in from the Tomah with some quite big offers and they're kind of managing as to hold on to what I would consider to be their good peripheral players but you know you look at the likes of Trossard and you look at the likes of
00:12:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:13:12
Zak
k sayo and like... yeah it's not sustainable to have your best players taken from you over time, right? Like one of the reasons we were able to do it is we we lost a bunch of players and then recruited well, and then the instant that recruitment dried up and we didn't recruit well and we didn't replace, we didn't spend the Van Dyke money wisely, you know, we we got into trouble and then bang, you know, we're in the situation we're in now, which you could arguably point to all of our best players going, flip side of that, how do you stop them? You know, if if you're playing for Bournemouth and all of a sudden Arsenal come in,
00:13:44
Zak
you want any you've you've want you've grown up wanting to play it for a big club, what do you do?
00:13:44
Oscar
you can...
00:13:48
Oscar
yeah I guess I've answered actually probably...
00:13:48
Zak
and
00:13:50
Oscar
they tried to do that with Van Dyke and just...
00:13:53
Zak
Have that work out.
00:13:54
Oscar
yeah exactly have yeah
00:13:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:13:56
Zak
Pictures of him on a private plane looking sad. I remember it. That image is etched into my memory forever. And then when the transfers confirmed, I was so mad. I was in Asda. I still remember. I was like, of course, of course he wants to leave.
00:14:08
Zak
Why would he want to stay? My wife just standing next to me like, I don't care, but you pop off. You seem like you need it.
00:14:16
Oscar
I just think gone are the days where you're going to have, I don't know, it's probably like trading over old ground, but gone are the days of like a litissier where he stays forever. And you know, all price would have been that one for us.
00:14:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:14:26
Oscar
And, you know, sadly.
00:14:27
Zak
Yep. Leicester still have Vardy and then even that has been batting away massive bids but that's the thing is that like how much I cannot wait to see in the summer like what some clubs are going to bid for Chriswood and what level of insane price it's going to be and then here they might go and then the problem is is like there's there's a huge a few cases of it working out
00:14:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:14:50
Zak
but a lot of the times it doesn't it doesn't really seem to, at least in the sense of the footballing side. right like I feel like if your job is to get paid more money and you would like to be paid more money and you go to a big club that can pay ridiculous wages, even if you don't do great, right you're still being paid a metric ton of money this is why like when people bat an eyelid at sort of the Neymars and what could have been if his career and Mbappe finally going to Real Madrid and all those kind of transfers it's just like well yeah but I don't think it like you said I just don't think you have that in football anymore and I think that the differences in wages between these clubs and what they're able to offer and not only that like it's it's stuff outside wages right it's like you know you talk you hear like Matt Letiz talk about like I just get like a, I'll get like a McDonald's breakfast on the way to training.
00:15:35
Zak
They're like, swig a beer after and stuff. And then you've got some players that are like, unless you move my entire family and my extended like staff of chefs and like nutritionists, I will not come to your club.
00:15:46
Zak
And they're like, ah ah okay, but how about four houses? Cause that's a lot of the stuff that people don't talk about with these transferred. There was just like, it's the, it's the stuff in between, right? It's the, what extra can you have on top? And also just, just greed.
00:15:57
Oscar
Well, I'd be fascinated to see John Duran's contract, to be fair.
00:16:02
Zak
yeah
00:16:02
Oscar
I think he's set for, probably could retire after that. Am I right in thinking that I heard he said i it would just be my childhood dream to play for Al Nasser? Because you know I'm not entirely convinced.
00:16:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah he did say that yeah followed him since I was a boy I mean it has to have been said tongue-in-cheek right there's no way you say that with a straight face like
00:16:14
Oscar
He did say that. Fair play.
00:16:18
Oscar
I'm not convinced.
Debating the FA Cup's Relevance
00:16:27
Oscar
Maybe, to be fair, maybe the Saudi league is massive in Colombia. I'm not too sure.
00:16:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
unbelievable
00:16:31
Zak
this is the thing right like there there are always other a other leagues that but we do not pay much attention to you which have you know their ultra fans and stuff we don't really have it in the UK anymore because of the Well, extensive campaign to combat football hooniganism, right? But then you go to anywhere else. And like, I remember seeing the ultras andallech and the lectin Belgium and that itself scared me. And I was like, it's not really like it's not the biggest league in the world, but like they take their football seriously. So who knows? Maybe it's just that we do not.
00:17:03
Zak
I guess the way that football is consumed is different for our league now, right?
00:17:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Tunnel vision.
00:17:09
Zak
Regardless, maybe league one is slightly more like it, or that was that story the other day that that guy got a red card for taking a P at the side of the the pitch. Don't know how much truth there actually is for that.
00:17:19
Zak
Either way, it was a very funny tweet.
00:17:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Zero minutes in as well. Crazy. That was the bit that got me. i Okay, all right. Well, ah that's just about wraps up our past second half. So time for a message from our partners at the Global Sports Podcast Network.
00:17:38
Zak
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00:17:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
OK, so in our final section, I thought I would bring a background to the FA Cup. So we obviously we've got a cup fixture this weekend against Burnley, who, you know, played Tuesday night and I think I believe are playing in the week again next week. So probably going to heavily rotate their squad. squad. um um So my actual question is, do people actually care about the FA Cup anymore?
00:18:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
We see the magic really die out because of how we've had to saturate it to accommodate all of the other growth in fixtures. Throw out the room.
00:18:33
Oscar
I think, yeah, I think of there's there's definitely a slight edge taken off it or, you know, I'm not massively asked to cut this weekend. It is what it is.
00:18:44
Oscar
I've never been massively into the traditionalism of the FA Cup, to be fair, but I know there are others that are and that this is what people grew up with.
00:18:48
Zak
Thank you.
00:18:52
Oscar
And, you know, I probably should be given that, you know, Southampton, I think part of the reason I started supporting Southampton was the 2003 FA Cup final. It was part of what got me into football, to be fair.
00:19:03
Oscar
so But I don't know. I think they just need to look at it and think of something different. And I think this year with the replays has been a bit... ah ah that was like Was that the FA Cup or was Cup?
00:19:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:19:13
Zak
but c i cop and i think I think you're right, banging the money.
00:19:14
Oscar
Was the FA Cup, yeah.
00:19:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
and i come
00:19:16
Zak
That's thus the biggest problem with stuff like that is that. If you're going to... talk about heritage and tradition and all that kind of stuff and part of it is to kind of build the profile of these smaller non-lead teams and you know because it is exciting that you can get these kind of absolute giant killings.
00:19:31
Zak
The problem is is when you take away a massive source of income for them which is replays because you you need to cram in another random fixture that's suitable for TB in like you know for in in like
00:19:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:44
Zak
the the Middle East for like oh we need to make this at 9pm because it's really good viewing for Southeast Asia but because of that we're not going to do a replay for you know for Tamworth at Tottenham Stadium so they don't get their absolute bag that they'd have made from ticket sales which is mad like unless you're going to do something where okay if they get brought to extra time the other team gets to pay out to these smaller clubs because I just think that If you're a traditionist about it and you didn't want it to change and you you really enjoy the cup and the magic of the cup, that's fine. my perspective, if they're just going to completely butcher it anyway, it kind of ruins it, don't it?
00:20:22
Zak
and i
00:20:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:20:23
Oscar
I'd ask the question maybe, and not necessarily the FA Cup, because I know people are very particular about that, but could we use the Carabao Cup as an example, as maybe an experimental way?
00:20:34
Oscar
Change the game slightly. If you want to experiment with things like off-site automated offsides or VAR as an example, or you know different rules, I don't know what you could do.
00:20:46
Oscar
I'm sure there's lots of different things. Maybe you could do that in the League Cup.
00:20:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
multiple
00:20:51
Oscar
I don't know, headers and volleys.
00:20:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah one hockey style fight per game
00:20:52
Oscar
I'm not saying that as an example, but but there could be something.
00:20:59
Oscar
could you Could you do it seven aside? like ah't Could they think of a creative way of keeping keeping interest in one of the cups? Do you know what? I might watch that tonight. Or or I might really be keen to go and watch this.
00:21:12
Oscar
It's something a bit different. Because I don't know, maybe that's...
00:21:15
Zak
If you're going to keep the FA Cup, just get rid of the Carabao Cup.
00:21:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:21:18
Oscar
Yeah.
00:21:20
Zak
but's But I agree, like I think it's much better than sort of when we randomly go, we're going to introduce this into the middle of the biggest league in the world, despite the fact we don't know if we've got it right yet.
Refereeing Standards and VAR Controversies
00:21:29
Zak
right Like I understand that they when they first introduced VAR, they'd had it in international competitions.
00:21:29
Oscar
Yeah.
00:21:33
Zak
But those international competitions also had a multitude of international reps and a multitude of shared knowledge. right Whereas we've already established what there was a BBC article out today about they've 13 mistakes in the Premier League season so far, four of the ones that they've cited.
00:21:49
Zak
Of the four that they've cited, one is Forrest's disallowed goal against us. because, apparently, you see Chris Wood came from an offside position and it appeared that the Southampton defenders who challenged the ball, Wood did not touch the ball, result, an independent plan all followed, the goal said it should have been given.
00:22:06
Zak
and like you've had It's just kind of mad that like theyre they're admitting, and yeah, you can you can test that kind of stuff out and go, do you know what, we need to do some work on it. In a cup cup competition that, you know, you could still make exciting, but like, yeah, just make it, I could test stuff out in a more controlled environment than the league.
00:22:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:22:28
Zak
that you know If you knocked out of the cup, it's not the end of the world. If you're knocked out of the Premier League, like there's the parachute payments, there's money lost, there's the lack of, all that kind of stuff.
00:22:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. They are sort of doing that this year though, right? With these Cup, Carabao Cup semi-finals this week and in the first leg, they're doing the whole referee has to announce their decision on a microphone to the crowd gimmick.
00:22:52
Zak
Yeah, and that's that's the kind of thing that we like to see. My problem with that, if it we've talked about this before.
00:22:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
is I mean, they're still just like boo didn't get the wrong decision, so...
00:23:00
Oscar
None.
00:23:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's
00:23:00
Zak
yeah That's part of the issue, bringing it right back to you wanting to talk about the problem with referees and stuff. I think it's just like, you shouldn't have referees coming out and admitting, not even full way through the season, that they have made 13 mistakes.
00:23:17
Zak
And they're like, we understand the the cost of this. I'm like, yeah, the cost is literal points on the board.
00:23:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I think that they've lobaled that because I can think of that many just relating to us.
00:23:21
Zak
like
00:23:22
Oscar
Osmatt, no.
00:23:23
Zak
Yeah.
00:23:25
Zak
They have they boy like managers have lost their job off the back of this.
00:23:26
Oscar
Oh yeah.
00:23:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
look
00:23:29
Zak
like I'm not saying it will ever change for us or Martin's trajectory but there are a couple of times we might have won. I'm kind of glad with the direction we're going now anyway. like it it It was a bit gross to see everyone come in and you know you've had a lot of our transfers that have gone out have gone out because they haven't got game time because all because they almost seemed pointless for half of the people we brought in in the summer because we we barely played them and when we did play them we played them sort of out of position our and then they all decided to leave because they weren't playing football.
00:23:58
Zak
like Still, do not understand what the Maxwell-Cornay loan was about.
00:23:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
the
00:24:02
Zak
Just don't get it.
00:24:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
i I said it Anthony Taylor ran and I stand by it.
00:24:03
Oscar
Right.
00:24:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
We just need to do an exchange market with referees. Send all of our referees to France and bring the French referees over here and it can't be worse.
00:24:16
Zak
is Is it all to do with sort of like helping grassroots refereeing that we don't allow foreign refs in the Premier League? Is it the whole like the pathway to be able to become... Because like some of the stuff like you're seeing, I don't want to touch too much on it, but like some of the stuff that came out of the the coots, it's got a statement with of his announcement, and like him talking about the sort of pressures that he's had, having to like referee really high intense game, followed by another intense game, followed by another high intense game.
00:24:43
Zak
So then because of that, he's turning to those sort of like, what why is it strictly keeping why is it strictly we have to keep like English referees? Because also, I still don't like the whole
00:24:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know, oh I've just searched it and the top sentence that it came up with is that the Premier League believes it already has a strong pool of domestic referees capable of handling the top level of the game and I don't think I've ever disagreed with the response more in my life.
00:25:08
Zak
yeah this is
00:25:08
Oscar
if If the Premier League is the top league in the world, with a you know multinational league, with the best players from around the world, the best managers, you know how many what percentage of players are English in the Premier League?
00:25:09
Zak
its
00:25:19
Oscar
What percentage are managers or British? And then look at what percentage are referees. like i think I imagine it's 99% and Jared Gillis, is it not?
00:25:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
madness yeah that's right yeah
00:25:30
Zak
Yeah, Yeah, I agree. I feel like it's such a weird place to try and take like a last stand but because you're right. like if they if they really If that's what they really cared about, if they really cared about domestic bias and all that kind of stuff, I know that we've got lead registration rules. like Good Lord, it's one of the reasons we lost Ricky Lambert right to Liverpool, is so they could fill a registration slot with an English player. But it is kind of crazy to me that that's the hill they stand on. like They don't do what China did and go, like you can have like three foreign players and that's it.
00:26:00
Zak
if that's what they cared about so clearly it's not really what they care about potentially there's got to be something else going on there i don't want to say there's huge conspiracy theories like i'm not a conspiracy theory nut job when it comes to any of that kind of stuff but when it comes to sort of the decision making there are so many rules that are weirdly archaic for no reason again 3pm blackout rule because like why it's i'm not it's not meaning like i'm just putting it put it bluntly
00:26:02
Oscar
Yeah.
00:26:26
Zak
Me not being able to watch football on TV at 3pm doesn't make me want to go and watch easily play instead. Never has.
00:26:32
Oscar
No.
00:26:33
Zak
People will find a way.
00:26:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:34
Zak
I'm not people, or maybe I am, who knows, but people will always find a way.
00:26:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:40
Zak
like
00:26:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, it's it's crazy. but you But you're right. it like The amount of money in the game, you say it's so that it doesn't affect grassroots refereeing because they've got that path upwards. But you know as a grassroots referee, what could be more appealing than working your way up to an all expenses paid season in Australia or France or Italy?
00:27:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
i
00:27:01
Oscar
And also, if if if they haven't got it so that they they think they've got the best group and this, that and the other, then there's no, who's pushing up behind them to take their spots and who's putting that pressure on?
00:27:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
That sounds ideal.
00:27:14
Oscar
Like you think of it as players.
00:27:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:27:16
Oscar
If you've got, if you're comfortable, they say so many times a second you sign a new conference chat, you get comfortable, you get complacent. These referees know that there's nothing they can do wrong.
00:27:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:27:23
Oscar
And on top of that, let's be honest, the standard of grassroots refereeing in this country isn't particularly good either. So it's not exactly helping that,
00:27:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
No. it yeah is It's a nightmare. It's awful. I mean, you only have to look at the Euros and the the only games with particularly controversial and bad refereeing decisions were the games that had English referees. I don't really think that that speaks volumes.
00:27:46
Zak
Oh, it's very upsetting, isn't it?
00:27:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
But anyway, that is just about all we've got time for. I knew we'd get to referees eventually. It's come full circle. um So yeah.
00:27:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you very much for listening. We'll be back tomorrow with a preview of our cup fixture to Burnley. I'm not going to throw too many spoilers into the mix, but I suspect there might be some talks about Neil, Neil.
00:28:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
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00:28:25
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